Second the wiretaps include American peace activists.

Third, by your phrasing of it, Echelon sounds like a perfectly normal thing called a “Extradition Treaty.” Go look the term up.

Further, your argument sound suspiciously like “But, but Clinton did it too!” which as an argument sound suspiciously immature, for a four year old. This isn’t about what Clinton did, its about what Bush did.

Another thing I don’t get is how you sit there and complain about Bush yet NOT ONE OF YOU said a thing about Clinton’s Echelon program that allowed the government to deport American’s to be interrigated over seas. Nice how you ALL ignored that one. You all need to get down on your knees and thank President Bush and our troops for keeping you all free and clear of atatcks so that you can get on here and complain about things that are being done to keep you safe.

They cited the fact that Congress and the Senate should be MORE focused on appointing an independent Special Investigator to look into this illegal domestic wiretapping…

…the censure movement takes the focus away from the criminality issue…

…Bushiva and l’il Dick are TRAITORS who’ve broken federal law…

…and to merely “censure” them would be the ultimate slap on the wrist…

We could even frame it in a way to suggest that “while we are sympathetic to the frustration and desire to reprimand the President, a censure alone doesn’t make wrongs right, and we should be focused on effecting change (i.e. yes we do have an agenda) than in getting bogged down in partisan procedural ploys.

Something like that might do an end-around on the GOP “Dems are just whiners without any ideas” defense. Or maybe not.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
- Edmund Burke

You accomplish saying you had nothing to do with Bush’s actions. You seperate yourself from them, and show that you do not approve. Silence, is often taken for approval, particularly when the law has been broken.

A new idea – enforce the Constitution

I don’t know, I just don’t think that this is a winner issue. The Dems need to hit ALL of their free throws this election cycle if they are to gain ANY seats. Doing things like this don’t seem to me to be a way to prove to Americans that they are the party of new ideas.

Do we really need an official vote for Americans to know that, with the exception of 2 or 3 folks, the Democrats really don’t think Bush is doing a good job?

You were saying that Feingold looked lonely yesterday – but I’d say he didn’t look nearly as lonely as Bolton. If it weren’t for Israel, and those mighty nations of Palau and Marshall Islands, the new UN Human Rights vote would have be 173-1 as opposed to the 170-4 that it was.

For a group of people who claim to ‘lead’, you sure are miserable at actually getting people behind you.

Heck, Feingold seems to have half the nation behind him without the benefit of the press, the democratic party leadership or his fellow democrats.

And Bush and Bolton by contrast have their party leadership, billions in propaganda dollars (some of which is surely wasted on your ineptitude), and he still has the stinkiest poll numbers of any second term president in DECADES!

Wow, the level of schizophrenia and checked out stupidity it must take to defend the indefensible as you do daily is really astounding. They should study you in a lab, with you under proper restraints of course.

Has the Bush Crime Family got blackmail material from their spying on the Dems in congress?

How come no one will answer the call of Finegold for Censure?

Lots of questions need answering here.