Murtha: Administration Claims Of Winning The War, Blaming The Media Repeat Vietnam-Era Mistakes
Murtha: Administration Claims Of Winning The War, Blaming The Media Repeat Vietnam-Era Mistakes
Today on Face the Nation, Vice President Cheney defended his dubious pre-war and post-war claims by blaming the media:
[T]here is a constant sort of perception if you will that’s created because what is newsworthy is the carbomb in Baghdad, it’s not all the work that went on that day in 15 other provinces in terms of making progress in rebuilding Iraq.
On Meet the Press, Tim Russert asked Rep. John Murtha (D-PA) about the administration’s repeated attempts to blame the media. Watch it:
Transcript:
RUSSERT: Some in the administration say the media is distorting the good news that’s coming out of Iraq.
MURTHA: They said the same thing about Vietnam. They said the same thing over and over and over about Vietnam. They said we’re winning the war in Vietnam. You could go back and get quotes from Vietnam and you’ll see the same kind of reports. The media is the one that’s distorting. Everything is going fine in Vietnam. Well, everything is not going fine in Iraq. They have to realize it. When the whole world is against you, when our international reputation has been diminished so substantially, when all the countries in the region say we’d be better off without us being in Iraq, when the people themselves in Iraq say — and American people say it, I mean, who is right?
Go to Crooks and Liars to watch Murtha’s entire appearance.
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March 19th, 2006 at 12:44 pmI watched it and Murtha tells the truth…timmy fires questions, murtha has the real answers, it was great.
March 19th, 2006 at 12:45 pmGonna have to check the repeat at 9pm tonight. I hate that the three major news shows are all on at the same time in my area. Sounds like I will be pleased with the Murtha interview on the MTP program tonight - Russert is more and more like Matthews, and I want to see Murtha fire back.
March 19th, 2006 at 12:52 pm#3 plunger
March 19th, 2006 at 12:59 pmOf course, what you say with links, etc. is factual, but we are stymied in implementing the law against this cabal. We need the government which has been bribed and otherwise corrupted. We need the media, which has also been purchased and corrupted. Short of that, we can only remove the unwilling, the cowardly and the corrupt politicians beginning in November and start to turn this nation back on track.
Thank God I saw Murtha first. I would not have been able to make it thru the vp, the difference in the 2 is staggering. Tim was pretty good in my impression,we still do not know how this will end, but I’m willing to bet they will be several books come out after it’s over.
March 19th, 2006 at 1:02 pmmarie - i cannot watch MTP because timmy’s knitted brow infuriates me - my sunday a.m. ritual is cbs’ Sunday Morning - from the wynton marsalis trumpet intro to the nature’s beauty finale, most of what is covered is human interest and cultural issues - a real treat from the usual doom and gloom/lies of the other shows…but i’ll check on timmy’s brow during a commercial break; otherwise i leave it to TP and Crooks at al, to show me what is relavent of the sunday shows…
by the way - this morning i learned that a Pompeii exhibit is at the Field museum…would like to check that out!
March 19th, 2006 at 1:05 pmTi- ti- timmah!
March 19th, 2006 at 1:18 pmOT…but nascar keeps showing a ‘negro’ driver, wow, that doesn’t fit in to the redneck theme at all?
March 19th, 2006 at 1:22 pmEvidence of media bias?
New York Times 94% of their donations are to Democrats
Discovery Communications (Discovery Channel, The Learning Channel, Travel Channel, BBC America) 90% of their donations are to Democrats
Viacom (CBS, MTV, VH1, BET, CMT, Commedy Central, Nickelodeon, Noggin, Paramount Pictures, Infinity Radio Broadcasting) 81% to Democrats
USA Interactive (Home Shopping Network, Expedia, TicketMaster, CitySearch, Evite) 80% of their donations are to Democrats
NBC (CNBC, MSNBC, USA Network, Telemundo, Bravo, Sci-Fi Channel, Universal Studios) 77% of their political donations are to Democrats
CNN 71% of their donations for more than the last 5 years are to Democrats
Hearst (ESPN, A&E, Lifetime, Cosmopolitan, Good Housekeeping, Oprah’s Magazine, Redbook, Seventeen, Town&Country, SmartMoney, Local Broadcasting) 68% of their donations are to Democrats
Sony (Sony Pictures, Columbia Records, Epic Records, Legacy Records, Playstation, Electronics, Individual TV Shows: Seinfeld, Mad About You, Jepoardy, Wheel-of-Fortune, etc.) 67% of their donations are to Democrats
AOL Time Warner (Warner Brothers, Time Magazine, AOL, New Line Cinema, HBO, Turner Broadcasting) 63% of their donations are to Democrats
Cablevision (Madison Square Garden, Radio City Music Hall, NY Knicks, NY Rangers, Local Programming) 59% of all their political donations go to Democrats
Liberty Media (QVC, Starz Encore, Court TV, Game Show Network) 57%of all their political donations go to Democrats (from the top link)
Disney (ABC, Disney Movies) 55% of all their political donations go to Democrats
(Of course Clear Channel is 75% donations to Republicans)
March 19th, 2006 at 1:28 pm“MURTHA: They said the same thing about Vietnam. They said the same thing over and over and over about Vietnam. They said we’re winning the war in Vietnam.”
We were and only the enemy in place within our country kept us from finishing the communists and saving the lives of 2 million people who died after the Filthy Left made us cut and run. LBJ could have totally destroyed N. Vietnam and their Red Chinese allies. Why didn’t he? The communists and communist sympathizers inside our government, media and colleges. McCarthy was right and because we failed to act in the 50’s and hand the bastards the cold war drug on costing billions of dollars and millions of lives and even today the communist threat from Red China hangs over our heads. All because of communists inside the Democratic Party. The Party of Treason, Baby Killing and Homosexuality.
This country will never be safe as long as the Filthy Left is allowed to operate inside our government and institutions.
Murtha is a senile old fucktard and should be committed or jailed for collaborating with our enemy.
March 19th, 2006 at 1:45 pmEvidence of media bias?Comment by I-RIGHT-I
Interesting post, RIGHT.
Correct me if if I’m wrong but you forgot to mention Fox Entertainment Group. You remember them: the owners Fox News Network, Fox Television Stations, 20th Century Fox,
March 19th, 2006 at 1:47 pmTHERES THAT WORD PERCEPTION AGAIN, in the first quote offered in this item, as spoken by one who wishes to otherwise convince you that things are not as they seem, and that your opinion on the matter is simply the result of some “perception”, good or bad, some “perception” that you’re laboring under…
…and the man says these things without swinging a watch to and fro’ before your eyes, and without saying “your getting sleepy, sleeeepy…”
But its the same Hypnotic Bull nevertheless, “perception”.
AS FAR AS THE FAR MORE CRISP AND SHARP TALK OF A NATION’S “OBJECTIVE” to an invasion and occupation of Iraq:
From a Reuters item, dated March 19, 2006, titled…
US Objectives in Iraq Prove Elusive
[Paragraphs 2-4] President George W. Bush’s stated rationale for invading in March 2003 — ridding Iraq of weapons of mass destruction — quickly proved illusory. No such arms were ever found.
Three years later, as bodies are dumped daily on the streets of Baghdad and civil war is very possible, longer term U.S. ambitions for a stable and democratic Iraq also seem shaky, experts say.
“It’s quite clear, the United States did not achieve its objectives in Iraq” because they were “fundamentally wrong,” said Anthony Cordesman, a former Pentagon official who once worked for Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona.
[Paragraph 7] Although U.S. officials remain upbeat about Iraq’s prospects, public opinion polls show deep division among ordinary Americans. Bush’s popularity has sunk to its lowest point in his six years in office, support for keeping U.S. troops in Iraq has plummeted and there is deepening concern about Iraq’s future.
[Paragraph 12] Yet in the run-up to war, Bush and his foreign policy team — one of the most experienced in modern U.S. history — were warned repeatedly — by allies, experts and other U.S. officials — about the difficulties Iraq presented.
…now, if that sounds like the stuff that dreams (or “perceptions”) are made of, I’d be surprised.
It’s all about the REAL lies and falsified ‘pre-war intelligence’ that the Administration used to convince the American People and their Congress as to a $450 billion dollar invasion and occupation of Iraq (that’s REAL money, that really went somewhere, to the Defense Contractors that these liars are the Business Agents for).
It’s all about the REAL Objectives of an invasion and occupation of any nation whatsoever, which can only be National Security to the United States…
…which was the lie told up front by this Administration to the American People and their Congress…
…lies and false ‘pre-war intelligence’ that continue to go uninvestigated…
…an Objective that continues to be spun and evaded, to this three year anniversary day.
It’s not a matter of “perception”.
March 19th, 2006 at 1:48 pmI’m so damn proud that Murth represents my area of Pennsylvania.
Hoo-Rah.
March 19th, 2006 at 1:49 pmMurtha jackslapped pumpkin head. doughboy couldn’t get a “but congressman, but congressman” in anywhere.
March 19th, 2006 at 1:50 pmIRI - Show the links that support your claim!
ALL of the networks are owned by REPUBLICANS. Only some of the journoulists are Democrats and are not allowed to truely report the facts, but only what the censured facts are.
Show the evidence to your claim!
It is a know fact that all the major networks are owned by Republicans, and this is why they refuse to report the facts about Bush. Let’s face it, Bush has to have people on his side to continue to commit the Hanous crimes, otherwise his lies could not go unquestioned.
March 19th, 2006 at 1:51 pmThese assholes in the Bush administration will never admit that they have already lost. There are still people in my home state of Alabama who believe that George W. Bush was sent by Jesus to lead the US to the promised land. There is no talking to people like that. A pastor in my home town told me today that he believed GWB is a brilliant man. This guy then went on to say that Democrats are the reason Black people live in poverty. He had no proof to back up his claims though. He then said he believed that the media has a Leftist bias. These people will never learn.
March 19th, 2006 at 1:52 pmU.S. NATIONAL DEBT CLOCK
The Outstanding Public Debt as of 19 Mar 2006 at 11:31:26 AM MST is:
The estimated population of the United States is 298,816,164
so each citizen’s share of this debt is $27,702.83.
The National Debt has continued to increase an average of
$2.03 billion per day since September 30, 2005!
Concerned? Then tell Congress and the White House!
http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/
March 19th, 2006 at 1:54 pmRep. Murtha is 100% right. But if the American people don’t put a stop to this madness then the United States will be worse off then Iraq when this comes to an end. Cheney is working hard for Halliburton and Bush is a sick man with medicial problems. Rummy is reacting to wars pasted and might have amnesia but just slightly as he made sure he got his 5 million from the fake bird flu investment not bad for a couple of dollars he put out. Connie is a joke and the world leaders know it and treat her as a joke.
March 19th, 2006 at 1:55 pmthis might be the source of iris’ information…as usual, links not provided…and the facts are debatable - it is from this story, with this bit of info: “June 02, 2003 | The nation’s largest media companies gave more than $26 million in individual, PAC and soft money contributions…”
March 19th, 2006 at 1:57 pmi never thought it was a secret that employees of media companies were smart enough to know what party represent THEIR best interests…
#10 - I-RIGHT-I
Do you have some sort of study/article/documentation to back up those claims? Where do you get your “facts” for this kind of post?
March 19th, 2006 at 2:02 pm…Filthy Left made us cut and run. LBJ could have totally destroyed N. Vietnam and their Red Chinese allies. Why didn’t he?….All because of communists inside the Democratic Party….Murtha is a senile old fucktard and should be committed or jailed for collaborating with our enemy.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I
Hummmh. Sounds like history, ala Bush speak.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t it the Republican President, Richard Nixon, who was elected on a platform promising victory and to find “Peace with Honor” then cut and run a few years later, letting Saigon and South Vietnam fall?
I mean, Tricky Dick is the president who was elected in 1968 and set up the Nixon Doctrine in Vietnam. In 1972 he was reelected with a mandate defeating anti-war candidate Sen. McGovern. A year later, the war was completely lost under his leadership and diplomacy. Sorry, I-RIGHT-I, no commies or democrats were in charge during the last 5 years of the Vietnam War. Too late to rewrite history now, pal.
March 19th, 2006 at 2:02 pmClinton = SeX
Bush=Torture, Rendition, Nixonian, Cronyism, Lies, more lies, and yet more lies,gay prostitutes run amok in white house, Abramoff, backloaded taxes, larger govt, deficit, War, deaths, no war plans, no ‘course’, incompetence, free speech ‘zones’ (In America?) Stuffed Audiences, Billions lost in Iraq…lootingm rape, possible civil war, FAUX Operations (swarmer) lies and more lies
March 19th, 2006 at 2:07 pm—————————————
Is this what the Pro-Bush People call Moral?
A conservative? Fiscally Responsible?
….Murtha is a senile old fucktard and should be committed or jailed for collaborating with our enemy.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I
I am sure Bush and Cheney would agree with you. But I bet that “senile old fucktard” could still bitch-slap all your asses into next week, RIGHT.
March 19th, 2006 at 2:11 pmthe world can see right though your lying plans America
March 19th, 2006 at 2:30 pmEvidence of media bias?Comment by I-RIGHT-I
assuming that your information is correct, doesn’t it make pragmatic sense that these media giants would most likely donate to democrats, considering that the senators from NY and CA (where they do the bulk of their business) whom they would like to influence are all democrats? I doubt that liberal philospohy has as much to do with it (though some individuals probably donate per their consciences) as does corporate self-interest.
March 19th, 2006 at 2:32 pmgetting fed up of americas war on terror you have messed up my holidays aboad for 3 years now
start a bloody war on you own continent cause i will never ever go there anyway.
March 19th, 2006 at 2:33 pmKarl Rove, shame on you for using I-RIGHT-I to post with.
March 19th, 2006 at 2:40 pmI have to doubt the veracity of #10 claims that donations are tilted toward Democrats. That flies in the face of all the statistics I’ve seen everywhere else, substantiated by written proof. I don’t know where or when those percentages were compiled and by whom.
March 19th, 2006 at 2:41 pmC’mon folks, we all know better than to use iri’s rants about any indicator of any relevant thought. What maybe 4 or 5% of the population actually thinks like that? Those that utter such over the top foolishness just like the attention their calls of fire in a crowded liberal theater get them.
I know what he said was letcherous, untrue and horrible, but ignore the butt head. We’ll all be happier.
March 19th, 2006 at 2:42 pm#17 MJP
Hell, George Bush believes that! That’s why he is so unrepentant anc cocksure. He believes he is on a divine mission, and therefore, no matter what anyone on earth says, whatever happens, he will be vindicated by his god when he gets to heaven.
March 19th, 2006 at 2:44 pmExcuse me, now while I go throw up.
#20 katy
March 19th, 2006 at 2:51 pmThanks for the link - note the contributions in 2000 compared to 2002. Nearly all drastically declined in 2002, except by those directly associated with Republican causes.
In 2000 the economy was still good, in 2002, the economy was sinking and Bush was “on the march” to war.
i thought iris would have provided his links by now…imagine that…
March 19th, 2006 at 2:55 pmthe info that i posted was provided through this link when i googled the first line of the rant:
“New York Times 94% of their donations are to Democrats”, with quotes, and followed the links from there…iris’ source was maybe newer, but it shows that it’s been floating around the righty blogs for a while…
IRI,
March 19th, 2006 at 2:55 pmYou’re a joke. Americans don’t support Nation Building for Islamic Religious Extremists.
But it ain’t in the news.
But it will be.
It’s comin’ home to you.
It’s gonna be beautiful.
IRI; IT’S TIME TO PUT UP OR SHUT THE FUCK UP!!! GROW SOME BALLS AND PUT YOUR CHICKENHAWK BODY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS. I DON’T SEE YOUR FUCKING ASS IN THE ARMY. UNTIL YOU’VE BEEN THERE YOURELF, IN UNIFORM, WITH AN M-16, IN COMBAT, YOU DON’T KNOW MOTHER FUCKING SHIT!!! SO LAY OFF OF CALLING MURTHA, KERRY, AND GUYS LIKE ME TRAITORS AND COWARDS. I DOUBLE DOG DARE YOU TO GO INTO A VFW AND TELL VETS WHAT YOU STAND FOR. BETTER YET JOIN THE ARMY YOURSELF(I HEAR THEY LOWERED THE STANDARDS), AND GO TO IRAQ. I GODDAMN GUARANTEE YOU WILL COME HOME IN A BODY BAG. I SAY THAT BECAUSE YOU WILL HAVE AHAB THE ARAB SHOOTING AT YOU FROM THE FRONT AND GIs SHOOTING AT YOUR COWARDLY KKK ASS FROM BEHIND. YOU ARE BOUND TO BE KILLED YOUR FIRST WEEK THERE. YUP, I’M CALLING YOU OUT FOR THE COWARDLY CHICKENHAWK THAT YOU ARE. YOUR DI WILL PROBABLY STICK AN M-16 IN YOUR EAR AND PULL THE TRIGGER CUZ YOU ARE ONE SORRY-ASS FUCKUP.
March 19th, 2006 at 2:56 pmDomestic Spying, Not just for phone calls anymore??
http://www.usnews.com/ usnews/ news/ articles/ 060327/ 27fbi.htm
(Sorry to be repetitive, just for those who didn’t catch it on the other thread. Does this now warrant an investigation?)
March 19th, 2006 at 2:58 pmOnce again, I-RIGHT-I is using bullshit stories, with no facts to back it up to try and change the subject, which is the fact that IRAQ IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CIVIL WAR AND THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION IS TRYING TO “FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO”
Telegraph
March 19, 2006
Rumsfeld: We’re trying to figure out what to do if Iraq falls into civil war
But, Rumsfeld must not have gotten his Karl Rove talking points this morning:
Ruetters
March 19, 2006
Cheney: Iraq not in civil war, predicts success
Did Cheney just call Rumsfeld an extremist?
How about if we see what the Bush administrations propped up former Prime Minister has to say.
Associated Press
March 19, 2006
Allawi Says Iraq in Middle of Civil War
I-RIGHT-I is nothing more than a blind uninformed asswipe that doesn’t deserve our time.
March 19th, 2006 at 3:03 pm#28, I think you are wrong here.
Karl is a crook without a doubt but he is certainly not stupid. I-RIGHT-I is more likely Bush himself. I mean, who else do you know is as stupid as I-RIGHT-I?
What was that? Everybody who thought Bush was better than Kerry, you say? Certainly can’t argue with you there………
March 19th, 2006 at 3:08 pmexcuse me - correcting myself - not that it’s vital, but must be diligent!
March 19th, 2006 at 3:09 pmTHIS is the link i got when i googled the first line of the rant:
“New York Times 94% of their donations are to Democratsâ€, with quotes…
just to be sure and accurate…
f.y.i. - i posted #41 before getting a chance to read the posts above that…
March 19th, 2006 at 3:11 pmI-RIGHT-I
likes to act like the sun and make everything revolve round him
usually by spinning the subject posted into rubbish
I would just ignore the guy, he just wants attention , must be hes the youngest in his family and never got rid of attention seeking behaviour when his mother took his dummy off him at the age of 9
March 19th, 2006 at 3:11 pm#10: another unsupported hit-and-run post by IRI.
#20. If you follow the story you will find this gem:
and:
No wonder IRI does not support his posts with links and background information.
March 19th, 2006 at 3:24 pm#36, from the link you posted:
Read the whole article here: http://www.usnews.com/ usnews/ news/ articles/ 060327/ 27fbi.htm
March 19th, 2006 at 3:33 pmMurtha is the man
March 19th, 2006 at 3:34 pm#47..Thank you for reading the article. Does anyone here feel that this might now convince anyone in Congress that an investigation, if not outright Censure, Impeachment, or Criminal charges against this administration, might not be in order?
March 19th, 2006 at 3:42 pmEvery American ought to be very outraged and afraid, in my opinion, no matter how innocent they may be. It’s a short step from warrantless physical searches to discovery of incriminating (manufactured) evidence, and no one is immune.
Ooops.. that was for 45, not 47… I do talk to myself, but not usually in print.
March 19th, 2006 at 3:44 pm
March 19th, 2006 at 4:08 pmMURTHA for PRESIDENT!!!!!!
March 19th, 2006 at 4:26 pm#35 WELL PUT!!!!
March 19th, 2006 at 4:53 pmHey, don’t blame Cheney for not remembering the lessons of the Viet Nam war. He was too busy humping through the hot, wet jungle with his squad in ‘67, his rippling muscles sheened with sweat as he hefted his M-60 pig, bandoliers of ammo slung over his shoulders in a shiny bronze X. “Born To Kill” and a Confederate battle flag carefully executed with Magic Marker on his Marine issue steel helmet, a pack of Marlboros and a vial of insect repellant tied on it using a rope carefully wound from the hair of his last 50 confirmed Charlie kills.
NOT. The only lesson Cheney learned from the VietNam war was how to successfully receive at least 5 deferments: “I had other priorities in the ’60s other than military service,” Cheney told a reporter in 1989.
And speaking of two-faced-ness, Bush flip-flopped on
1. Creation of 9/11 Commission
2. Independent Iraq WMD Commission
3. Creation of Homeland Security Department
4. Prescription Benefit in Medicare
5. Steel Tariffs
6. Engagement with North Korea
7. Engagement in Middle East Peace Process
8. Carbon Dioxide Emissions Caps
9. Condoleezza Rice 9/11 Testimony
10. Assault Weapons Ban
11. Identity of Person Who Outed CIA Agent Valerie Plame
12. Creation of TSA, Federal Airport Screeners
13. Release of Bush’s National Guard Records
14. Extension of 9/11 Commission
15. Time limits on Bush’s Own Testimony at 9/11 Commission
. . . among others. (For pertinent info, including citations, see http://www.perrspectives.com/features/Bush10Flips.htm)
March 19th, 2006 at 5:26 pmoh boy more rightwing media Faux Nutwork “News” [wink wink] pundits!!!
—————–
“News Corp” [Faux et ilk]. and “Rick & Bubba” - A Marriage Made in Heaven
Reported by Melanie - Sat 11:56 AM
On March 7, 2006, the W Publishing Group released a book written by Birmingham, AL talk show hosts Rick Burgess and Bill “Bubba” Bussey (”Rick and Bubba”), titled Rick & Bubba’s Guide to God, Country, Family and Anything Else We Can Think Of. Days earlier, Fox Cable Networks, owned by News Corp., the parent company of Fox News, purchased Turner South which broadcasts the “Rick and Bubba” radio show on WYSF-FM.
“Rick and Bubba” appeared on Fox & Friends, Your World w/Cavuto, Hannity & Colmes, and on Hannity’s radio show. Today (March 18, 2006), “Rick and Bubba” appeared on Fox & Friends Weekend.
March 19th, 2006 at 5:29 pm——————
“Rick and Bubba” huh? Isn’t that the subtitle of the children’s book, “I Have Two Daddy’s.”
March 19th, 2006 at 5:42 pmhttp://highvizpr.blogspot.com/ 2006/ 03/ rumsfeld-4th-reich-solution-according.html
March 19th, 2006 at 5:54 pmMurtha makes the Vietnam link…
From Think Progress:RUSSERT: Some in the administration say the media is distorting the good news thats coming out of Iraq. MURTHA: They said the same thing about Vietnam. They said the same thing over and over and over about Vietnam….
March 19th, 2006 at 6:18 pm#55 - You provided more proof that Rumsfeld is displaying early Alzheimer’s.
March 19th, 2006 at 6:27 pmThe media is right about Iraq (it’s a disaster) but was wrong about vietnam. The Tet offensive was reported in the US media as a massive disaster for the United States. But it was exactly what the United States wanted. It was the first time the vietcong guerrillas came out of hiding en masse, and even the North Vietnamese regulars seldom met the US out in such mass before that. As you well know, when an enemy meets the US on the battle field conventionally, en masse, they get obliterated. That’s exactly what happened during the Tet offensive. But the press spun it as only a huge disaster. Yes it was a huge disaster, but it was also an opurtunity to win. The vietcong in South Vietnam took years to rebuild.
Victor Davis Hanson writes:
[……. he [General Westmoreland] was accurate in his belief that thousands of enemy VIetnamese were now more likely to be in the open, vulnerable, and shortly to be annihalated. The entire effort of Westmoreland’s previous three years in Vietnam had been to create the conditions of traditional Western decisive battle, in which the Americans military might draw on its wonderfullfully trained and disciplined shock infantry and enormous technological and material superiority to blast apart the enemy and go home.]
Carnage and Culture: Land-Mark Battles in the Rise of Western Power (page 392)
Here is an example of Vietnam era press bias. You’ve all heard of the 100 civilians massacred at Mai Lei right? How many of you have heard that in the aftermath of the Tet offensive, 3,000 bodies of South Vietnamese civilians, Americans, and other foriegners clubbed or shot to death in Hue? Not many huh?
March 19th, 2006 at 6:29 pm
March 19th, 2006 at 6:35 pmI-WRONG-I,
March 19th, 2006 at 6:40 pmI get the impression your knowledge of fighting a war comes from Rambo movies–not real experience. And your knowledge of history and economics is laughable. It is the Bush administration that has created most of the American debt to China.
Your usual uniformed rants here prove that “ignorance isn’t always bliss.”
The “I” in I-Right-I stands for IGNORANCE.
March 19th, 2006 at 6:43 pmIraq vs. Vietnam
Q. What’s the difference between the Vietnam War and the Iraq War?
A. George W. Bush had a plan to get out of the Vietnam War.
March 19th, 2006 at 6:45 pmThe US strategy of attrition (get the VC units to commit to battle and kill more of them than they could of us) worked during the Tet offensive. The VC was effectively destroyed and in subsequent action,the US faced NVA troops.
March 19th, 2006 at 6:52 pmThe Pentagon figured out that without an actual invasion of the north and the risk of Chinese involvement, they couldn’t win against a country willing to absorb the losses we inflicted. The invasion would also have to entail invading Laos and Cambodia (further than the forays that were done) and the leadership simply wasn’t willing to go that far.
The media didn’t cause the loss in VN,the strategy of limited involement defeated us.
March 19th, 2006 at 6:56 pmThe only 4 states in which Bush’s approval rating is at or above 50% are Utah(56%), my homestate of Alabama(51%), Idaho(50%), and Wisconsin(51%). The last one, Wisconsin, is the one that I find surprising because this is the same state whose Progressive Liberal Democrat Senator Russ Feingold holds an astonishing 97% approval rating. Wisconsin doesn’t know what it wants.
March 19th, 2006 at 7:03 pmTJM
[The media didn’t cause the loss in VN,the strategy of limited involement defeated us.]
I agree with you, but the media’s influence on public opinion had to have somewhat helped keep US involvement limited. But yes, I’m sure involvement would have stayed pretty limited with a biased press or not, because Americans just plain hate losing thier children in foriegn adventures.
March 19th, 2006 at 7:10 pmMurtha is correct but the Bush lovers do not care > they want to believe Bush lies forever!
March 19th, 2006 at 7:17 pmI can’t get trackback to work. So, I’ll just add the link directly.
I think the Admnistration is ignoring the very real issues of this war by just parroting the talking point about no civil war. Eerily like Vietnam…
My take on this is posted here.
March 19th, 2006 at 7:28 pmman, the chickenhawks love to spew war rhetoric
but like murtha says, wars are NOT WON BY RHETORIC
SO GET YOUR ASS TO THE RECRUITER NOW….killemall……
March 19th, 2006 at 8:19 pmIRI- GO INTO A VFW, AND TELL THE VETS THERE WHO SAY WE MUST GET OUT OF IRAQ THAT THEY ARE COWARDS AND TRAITORS, YOU WILL GET YOUR HEAD HANDED TO YOU. IF YOU WENAT, I’LL EVEN PUT ON MY OLD COMBAT BOOTS— THEN I’LL STICK MY FOOT UP YOUR ASS SIDEWAYS, BUTT THEN, YOU’D PROBABLY WOULD LIKE IT.
March 19th, 2006 at 10:28 pmIRI—DON’T YOU EVER, EVER CALL A VETERAN A COWARD AND/OR A TRAITOR. WE SERVED OUR COUNTRY, UNLIKE YOU AND YOUR CHICKENHAWK IDOLS.
March 19th, 2006 at 10:40 pmIRI wishes only one thing: -Biblical law
March 19th, 2006 at 11:29 pmand only so long as IRI doesn’t have to enforce or fight Biblical War
March 19th, 2006 at 11:30 pmI’d love to see Rep. Murtha as a Dem. presidential candidate. He beats the usual suspects by miles.
March 19th, 2006 at 11:33 pm#71 - HCM,
March 19th, 2006 at 11:41 pmI have come to the conclusion that IRI is the Mr. Hyde of Dr Judd (as in Dr. Jekyll). There is no other way that someone this inane could survive on this thread. Witness the numerous purges of Ryan Neat from the discourse.
March 20th, 2006 at 6:44 amSuddenly Thai barbecue doesn’t sound so good for dinner.
*bleh*
March 20th, 2006 at 9:01 ambut like murtha says, wars are NOT WON BY RHETORIC
SO GET YOUR ASS TO THE RECRUITER NOW….killemall……
Comment by woke dude
I’m a little old to go to war with 20 year olds but if push comes to shove I could get it done. I may have to from the looks of the kind of kids you losers have raised. (I assume that if you’re not a parent you’re one of the Gen Y losers who should be deported or put into work camps.
It seems we have a country of fat stupid chickenshits, Among the reasons why Gen Y isn’t measuring up:
Not enough high-school graduates.
Obesity.
Not physically fit enough.
A drug habit—and less we think that it’s pot, it isn’t: if you’ve taken Ritalin or a similar behavior-modifier in the past year, Uncle Sam does not want you. Tattoos—most notably, gang insignia, facial and anti-social ones like “Lonerâ€, which get you quickly rejected. Severe medical problems, criminal records, in short the kind of people that wind up in prison or costing society money in other destructive ways.
Yep, I may have to do your job for you but that’s OK. If you want a job done right do it yourself. But you’ll be sorry you let me anywhere near automatic weapons and high explosives.
http://www.washtimes.com/ national/ 20060313-120147-8858r.htm
March 20th, 2006 at 9:45 amI-Right-I
Push has come to shove. Enlist now. You owe it to your country to give your life for Bush’s War.
Since you talk the talk, walk the walk. Be all you can be.
And while you’re in boot camp and stationed in Iraq, tell every soldier you meet that he or she is a loser, born of loser parents and loser grandparents. Let them know how much better you are than they.
Oh, and get your kids to sign up as well. No sense in you being the only member of your family to risk getting shot or blown to bits. Your family could even be the new recruiting poster: the family that fights together, dies together. Go out in style, guns ablazing. Die a hero’s death.
Allah will reward you with 40 virgins with which to spend eternity in paradise. Being moral and pure, however, these virgins will have taken a vow of chastity for eternity.
March 20th, 2006 at 10:02 am-Right-I
Push has come to shove. Enlist now. You owe it to your country to give your life for Bush’s War.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
Only an idiot or some kind of sexual pervert would want the trouble of 40 virgins. That alone should be reason enough to invade their country, kill their leaders and convert the rest to Christianity.
March 20th, 2006 at 10:17 am#65 Where is the link that WI is 51% for Bush. I am from WI and the people I talk to don’t even like old Bushie.
I am one that believes Old Bushie is not my president.
I also believe what Senator Russ Feingold did was right. We need this censure resolution. The Democrats need to support this. When we take both house over in November we can impeach Bush and his Admin.
I am very proud of our Senator from WI. Go Russ Go!!!!
March 20th, 2006 at 10:18 amAllah will reward you with 40 virgins with which to spend eternity in paradise. Being moral and pure, however, these virgins will have taken a vow of chastity for eternity.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — March 20, 2006 @ 10:02 am
That’s not punishment for him. He loves himself too much to care :)
March 20th, 2006 at 10:19 amHey Remember Vietnam, If shit like that burning monk shit took place in North Vietnam, you wouldn’t ever know about it, because they were a stalinesque dictatorship (unlike South Vietnam). American reporters purposely withheld information about N. Vietnam from the public to create more sympathy.
March 20th, 2006 at 11:07 am…..come on murtha!!!! get louder baby. us little folks need someone to get in there butt.
March 20th, 2006 at 11:25 amthen i-right-i why don’t you enlist. don’t talk about it, be about it. cuz that would then make you a coward, right? i guess i don’t understand why you are so angry? your man is in office. you are for bush and all that he does. so why are you acting out like a 2 yr old all the time. instead of engageing in adult convo. you resort to temper tantrums and call folks out there names and say crap that has nothing to do with nothing. what is your problem(s)? dont get the immaturity.
March 20th, 2006 at 11:36 amI’m with you , we should just kill all these motherfucking ragheads and let god sort em out. Kill these fucking Camel Jockeys
Comment by RedneckBob — March 20, 2006 @ 12:00 pm
I’m guessing sacrcasm - but I don’t know you, so anything is possible…
For people who actually follow this ignorant, egocentric philosophy, I want to know how you will feel when the Muslims come and blow you up because Allah can just sort it all out. How you’ll feel then. Because really, once you begin to advocate killing someone for your cause, you open thw flood gates for them to kill you for theirs. Didn’t we learn that on 9/11?
March 20th, 2006 at 12:22 pmIt could be that it would suit them to see the vaporization of tens if not hundreds of millions of Muslim headchoppers.
By the way stupid, it’s against the rules to post under several different names.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — March 20, 2006 @ 1:14 pm
How about, instead of some of the inane drivel that some classes teach our young, we have courses on teaching them about the cultures of other countries - so we will then understand the world we live in, and therefore be able to anticipate and communicate with others instead of anyone blowing anything up in some testosterone driven rage? You know, education instead of aggression? It’s all the attacking that is senseless - no matter who instigated it or why (defense is another issue that I am NOT including in this statement, so don’t insert anything I didn’t).
Since when were you elected Hall Monitor?
March 20th, 2006 at 1:21 pm
March 20th, 2006 at 3:10 pm
March 20th, 2006 at 3:13 pmI’m a little old to go to war with 20 year olds but if push comes to shove I could get it done.
Comment by I-WRONG-I
To Mr. Wrong,
March 20th, 2006 at 5:41 pmIt’s time to put your money(body) where your mouth is. I’ve seen in the news that ohter American men (and even some women) in their 40s are being sent to Iraq. So why not you? And if you’re not up to it, send your 20 year olds. Prove that you’re not just a loudmouth Chickenhawk, or else spare us your ignorant, bigoted rants.
IRI–They LOWERED the standards AND RAISED the AGE cutoff into the 40s(both your IQ and your age), So don’t give us that bs about being too old, too unfit, etc. You’ve been shooting off your big fat chickenhawk mouth about veterans who say it’s time to get out of Iraq, calling antiwar vets traitors and cowards, etc. Well shit-for-brains, I don’t see YOUR fucking ass in the army. Rush Limbaugh claimed a deferment for a pilonidal cyst- BULLFUCKINGSHIT! In the service, I personally changed the bandages of GIs with that malady- they were treated and returned to duty. I got my medals with no small thanks to the draft, but I did NOT desert my unit like Bush, or hid behind phoney deferments like Cheney, Ashcroft, Rush, or others. Like I said in an earlier post, DON’T EVER CALL A VETERAN A TRAITOR OR COWARD, IT IS YOU FUCKING ASSWIPES WHO ARE THE COWARDS AND TRAITORS. if I met you in person and you called me that, I would rip your fucked up head of yours off and shit down your neck.
March 20th, 2006 at 6:46 pm#93 - Ho Chi Minh,
March 20th, 2006 at 9:46 pmI think that you overestimated iri’s IQ. Take the cube root of that number and you would be close.
Walt, you are probably right about iri, but that shit-for-brains has it coming. He’s in dire need of an emergency enema- with a hand grenade.
March 20th, 2006 at 10:54 pm#95 - Ho Chi Minh,
March 21st, 2006 at 12:04 amLet us not disparage the criminally insane. They may have mothers too.
Sorry, last post should have read:
March 21st, 2006 at 12:07 am#95 - Ho Chi Minh,
Let us not disparage the criminally insane. They may have had mothers too.
March 21st, 2006 at 4:45 am#80: “invade their country, kill their leaders and convert the rest to Christianity.”
Sorry to let facts get in the way, but we did invade their country. We did kill their leaders. And we did let them instill ISLAM as their STATE RELIGION. Read the new Iraq Constitution.
But I guess it is ok, in your view, to have a State Religion, so long as it is Christianity. You would have outlawed the beliefs of many of our founding fathers. Washington and Jefferson, to name two, were students of the Enlightenment. Their beliefs were closer to contemporary Paganism than the mainstream Christianity of their day.
If you are the model of what it is to be a Christian, what does that say about Christ’s teachings? Are we to convert everybody into a religion of intolerance, bigotry and hatred? Is that what it means to be a Christian?
Christ did not wish to kill nor incarcerate those who did not choose to follow Him, yet you do. I see no congruence between the message in your posts and the message of The Sermon on the Mount.
You might want to think about the image of Christ you are projecting.
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