Bush To Cleveland: ‘Anybody Work Here In This Town?’
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By on Mar 20th, 2006 at 3:23 pm
Bush To Cleveland: ‘Anybody Work Here In This Town?’
After getting frustrated at the length of the Q&A session of his speech in Cleveland today, Bush blurted out, “Anybody work here in this town?” Watch it:
Bush inadvertantly hit upon a subject he otherwise ignored - unemployment in Cleveland. Economic conditions in the city have worsened considerably during Bush’s presidency. Some facts:
- 5.8 percent: Cleveland unemployment rate, Jan. 2006
- 4.5 percent: Cleveland unemployment rate, Jan. 2001- 5.3 percent: Ohio unemployment rate, Jan. 2006
- 4.0 percent: Ohio unemployment rate, Jan. 2001- 31.3 percent: Cleveland poverty rate, 2003
- 24.3 percent: Cleveland poverty rate, 2001
So the answer, Mr. President, is that a lot of people in Cleveland don’t work because they can’t find jobs.
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The guy knows how to work an audience.
March 20th, 2006 at 3:25 pmUnreal. I am speechless….
March 20th, 2006 at 3:26 pmHas there ever been a politician with less tact than this idiot?
March 20th, 2006 at 3:26 pmBush, the inadvertent President. Speaks volumes.
March 20th, 2006 at 3:28 pm#3 - yes, Jimmy Carter and John Kerry.
March 20th, 2006 at 3:28 pmHard work, something this drunkard slacker has known about all his life.
March 20th, 2006 at 3:28 pmQ&A just doesn’t work well when you don’t know what
March 20th, 2006 at 3:29 pmthe fuck you’re talking about. Didn’t he have his remote
microphone input jack plugged in? We have to put up with
‘Beam me up, Scotty’ enough…please don’t let this jackass
do it to us, too.
When Bush’s comments aren’t managed he’ll usually blurt out something stupid or insensitive.
March 20th, 2006 at 3:30 pmHey, don’t be so critical. It’s hard work being clueless and incompetent.
March 20th, 2006 at 3:32 pm#5 Moderate Mary, care to be more specific?
March 20th, 2006 at 3:36 pm#5 - please cite incidents that involve Carter being tactless to an audience. Please. Same with Kerry. You may not like them or their politics, but I don’t think they’ve ever been so tactless as to say “anybody work in this town?” in a city which has seen a nearly 30% increase in unemployment in the last 5 years.
yutz.
March 20th, 2006 at 3:37 pmJohn Kerry claimed American troops were terrorizing Iraqi women and children on Face the Nation earlier this year. I found that to be a very dumb thing to say.
March 20th, 2006 at 3:38 pmMy favorite is bush has his “why do I have to talk to these idiots” look on his face. I am guessing maybe the audience was not as vetted and rehearsed as his handlers would have liked.
March 20th, 2006 at 3:39 pmHey junior, whenever you’re gettin’ your ass fried, try to change the subject.
March 20th, 2006 at 3:41 pmOnly next time, try to choose something that doesn’t make you look even worse.
If that’s possible.
John Kerry claimed American troops were terrorizing Iraqi women and children on Face the Nation earlier this year. I found that to be a very dumb thing to say.
Comment by Moderate Mary — March 20, 2006 @ 3:38 pm
Moderate Mary, this just in:
BAGHDAD, Iraq - Iraqi police have accused American troops of executing 11 people, including a 75-year-old woman and a 6-month-old infant, in the aftermath of a raid last Wednesday on a house about 60 miles north of Baghdad.
The villagers were killed after American troops herded them into a single room of the house, according to a police document obtained by Knight Ridder Newspapers. The soldiers also burned three vehicles, killed the villagers’ animals and blew up the house, the document said.
Iraqi police report details civilians’ deaths at hands of U.S. troops
WASHINGTON - Naval investigators are looking into whether Marines intentionally killed 15 Iraqi civilians - four of them women and five of them children - during fighting last November, defense officials said Friday.
March 20th, 2006 at 3:42 pmOne official said it’s unclear whether the Marines killed the civilians accidentally or whether they fired indiscriminately. It’s also unclear whether all the civilians died in the same house or in separate locations. Among the dead was a 15-year-old girl, an official said.
U.S. to investigate civilian deaths in Iraq
If you highlighted what unemployment peaked at after Bush inherited the economy in recession, you would see the dramatic improvement from that low point. Most people understand the economy hit negative GDP in the third quarter of 2000.
AND the national job market is doing great. I think most Americans understand that. They are angry over the war and spending, not the economy. Try focusing your message and you might actually win over mainstream voters like myself.
March 20th, 2006 at 3:43 pmI was astonished to hear that he was planning to speak at the Cleveland City Club - it is very pro-business, of course, but, all the same, it is a reputable public forumn. I can’t recall the last time he spoke before an “uncanned” audience. I’m guessing he won’t be doing that again soon.
March 20th, 2006 at 3:43 pm#15 - dangitall, you beat me to it!!!
March 20th, 2006 at 3:44 pmJohn Kerry claimed American troops were terrorizing Iraqi women and children on Face the Nation earlier this year. I found that to be a very dumb thing to say.
Comment by Moderate Mary
no, that’s not an example of being tactless … that’s just an example of something you DISAGREE WITH.
March 20th, 2006 at 3:45 pm#15 - I think investigating is the key word. Maybe we shoudl wait to trash the troops until we know for sure.
March 20th, 2006 at 3:46 pmIncompetent Lush….lil’ Lord Bush caught in yet again with no clue as to the plight of the average American.
March 20th, 2006 at 3:47 pmNaturally, the crowd’s response was preceeded by Rove’s blinking ‘laugh but do not think and kill the President’ sign.
March 20th, 2006 at 3:48 pmI twice heard Bush use the word “war” as a verb in his speech.
March 20th, 2006 at 3:48 pmHey #11, it’s called the Malaise Speech.
Look it up.
March 20th, 2006 at 3:50 pmcan anyone be more fucking stupid than this asshole?
March 20th, 2006 at 3:51 pmUhmm…Moderate Mary? Something tells me your name is a lie. Mainstream, yeah, right. Nice try though.
March 20th, 2006 at 3:51 pmAnybody work around here?
Same could be said of the white house.
Perhaps they take as much vacation time as the president does.
March 20th, 2006 at 3:51 pmModerate Mary - what planet do you live on? cuz I’d love to visit.
1) the unemployment rate rose AFTER Bush took office. Was it part of the dot-com fallout? of course, but tax cuts and deficit spending haven’t helped.
2) mean household income has DROPPED in the last 3 years - in fact, the national savings rate was NEGATIVE last year. In other words, not only were households not able to save for a rainy day, they were living on credit.
3) foreign investment is declining - UAE has pulled out some of their investments, opting for the Euro, and China has pulled out some of theirs, opting for the yen. Last year OPEC announced they were also investing in the Euro.
no, Moderate Mary, jobs at Wal-Mart don’t make for a strong economy.
March 20th, 2006 at 3:51 pmI would say that Bush probably has demonstrated the least tact of all Presidents, although Carter had his moment. I wouldn’t even consider Kerry’s comments, as he was not ‘elected.’
W is something else…
March 20th, 2006 at 3:52 pm“John Kerry claimed American troops were terrorizing Iraqi women and children on Face the Nation earlier this year. I found that to be a very dumb thing to say.”
No dear, what he said was, “WE DON”T NEED our troops terrorizing…” It was a hypothetical, not an allegation. Remember, he was a soldier and would never make such a careless statement.
March 20th, 2006 at 3:53 pmModerate mary, I think Hannity is having a toilet signing today,so grab your propaganda and your bottle of ripple and be gone. I know it has to be killing you to be so wrong about the incompetent child you elected, but alcohol and angry trollism doesnt change the fact that Bush has failed as a leader and will go down in history as a blunderer. Have a nice day.
March 20th, 2006 at 3:53 pm# 24 - Carter saying that the country had a “malaise” during the 70s … again … explain to me how that shows a lack of tact?
March 20th, 2006 at 3:53 pm#25, Mark… The answer to your question is NO.
March 20th, 2006 at 3:54 pmNot only is a village - Crawford - missing its idiot, the Oval Office - with that infamous ‘Laura Eva Braun Bush designed’ carpet - is missing its foot-in-mouth feed me, I’m on mental empty moron! Actions prove Bushie incompetent, and - again - he opens his mouth and confirms it! He claims God guides him, but if so, God’s (also) on vacation & left nobody in charge!
March 20th, 2006 at 3:55 pm“#15 - I think investigating is the key word. Maybe we shoudl wait to trash the troops until we know for sure.”
Moderate Mary - I don’t think that an investigation is going to change anything. You really think that anything warrants an 18 month old baby being shot in the head?
This was a BLACK OPS training exercise for the Iraqi death squads. This is what our nation has sunk too.
Try reading a little, rather than listening to just the news. The information is out there. Including information from the coroner who did the autopsy on the bodies.
“AND the national job market is doing great. I think most Americans understand that. They are angry over the war and spending, not the economy.”
BS!!!! I make more money than I did 4 years ago, but I actually have less money because of the economy. It costs me $40 every week for gas and food costs more, so where is the economy doing better???? People are loosing their high tech jobs everyday, and you say that the economy is doing well! Either your a child or your so rich that you don’t have to work and therefore don’t see the facts. Which is it?
March 20th, 2006 at 3:56 pmSaying Bush is out of touch with the common man would be to imply that at one time he was…
Never liked him. Never believed him.
March 20th, 2006 at 3:57 pmreign
You calous moron .
Go find a real job . You never had one,
March 20th, 2006 at 3:57 pmHe’s just so used to people using that phrase at the White House that he just blurted it out. He tends to talk first, think later when confronted with “tough” questions….
March 20th, 2006 at 3:57 pmI think his handlers are having a tough time find an entire audience that will simply ask what they are told to ask. People are pissed, even those who are, for the most part, loyal to “the leader”
March 20th, 2006 at 3:58 pmOh, and Moderate Mary, this is what John Kerry said:
(…)And there is no reason, Bob, that young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children, you know, women, breaking sort of the customs of the–of–the historical customs, religious customs. (…)
CBS News - FACE THE NATION
Here is but one story on the many nightly raids US troops conduct across Iraq:
But all that came to a sudden bloody end at 12.30am last Monday, when soldiers arrived outside the apartment block where Farah and her family lived. What happened in a few minutes, and in the chaos of the hours that followed, is written across its walls. (…)
This is what the residents, and local police, told us had happened. Inside the apartment with Farah were her mother and a brother, Haroon, 13. As the soldiers started smashing doors, they began to kick in Farah’s door with no warning. Panicking, and thinking that thieves were breaking into the apartment, Haroon grabbed a gun owned by his father and fired some shots to scare them off. The soldiers outside responded by shooting up the building and throwing grenades into Farah’s apartment.
Farah tried to plead with the US troops but she was killed anyway
Now please explain to me how this not terrorising innocent Iraqis, and how this the Farah’s fault…
March 20th, 2006 at 3:58 pm#3 - “Has there ever been a politician with less tact than this idiot? ”
Comment by Jules
*****Yes, Jules, an idiot named LBJ had less tact and was almost as coarse as Fat Papa…hope that helps!!!
On thread - To paraphrase one of my favourite conservative “Economists” here at TP: “if your skills aren’t valuable….” - I-R-I
March 20th, 2006 at 3:59 pmThe most important thing for me is did anyone ask him how god has guided him on this journey and then thanked him for being a man of faith?
March 20th, 2006 at 4:00 pm15#Also this one dedicated to Moderate Mary
US Army probes Iraqi civilian deaths
War crime?
According to eyewitnesses and local officials interviewed over the past 10 weeks, the civilians who died in Haditha were killed not by the roadside bomb but by the Marines themselves. They went on a rampage in the village after the attack, killing 15 unarmed Iraqis in their homes, including seven women and three children, the magazine said.
http://english.aljazeera.net/ NR/ exeres/ 30D3E5CA-44A5-4610-B1D5-7D77D5AC7A16.htm
March 20th, 2006 at 4:00 pmYeah Ms Moderate Mary, think how it looks when 6ft tall guys armed to the teeth come knocking down your door in the middle of the night shouting in a language they don’t speak.
Disagree with Kerry, but ‘tactless’ makes you look dumb and stupid.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:00 pm[…] Think Progress has the video. […]
March 20th, 2006 at 4:00 pm#40 - LBJ - now, THAT’s a good call.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:01 pmOh, and Moderate Mary, this is what John Kerry actually said:
(…)And there is no reason, Bob, that young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children, you know, women, breaking sort of the customs of the–of–the historical customs, religious customs. (…)
CBS News - FACE THE NATION
Here is but one story on the many nightly raids US troops conduct across Iraq:
But all that came to a sudden bloody end at 12.30am last Monday, when soldiers arrived outside the apartment block where Farah and her family lived. What happened in a few minutes, and in the chaos of the hours that followed, is written across its walls. (…)
This is what the residents, and local police, told us had happened. Inside the apartment with Farah were her mother and a brother, Haroon, 13. As the soldiers started smashing doors, they began to kick in Farah’s door with no warning. Panicking, and thinking that thieves were breaking into the apartment, Haroon grabbed a gun owned by his father and fired some shots to scare them off. The soldiers outside responded by shooting up the building and throwing grenades into Farah’s apartment.
Farah tried to plead with the US troops but she was killed anyway
Now please explain to me how this not terrorising innocent Iraqis, and how this the Farah’s or her family’s fault…
March 20th, 2006 at 4:01 pmAll I know is, during war lots of bad things happen…just like at that Cornell prison experiment where the students acted as guards and prisoners and it quickly turned masochistic….so you can’t blame the soldiers for doing much of anything unless you’re there in that situation. Not saying it’s okay, just that we can’t really judge that very well sitting in our comfy chairs.
And to Moderate Mary…where do you live!? I haven’t met anyone in a YEAR who thinks the economy is doing fine. In fact, EVERYONE I know is doing MUCH worse and living hand to mouth…and that’s all my MIDDLE class friends. Antidotal yes, but I remember when all my friends were flush and having a great time eating out, going out, buying homes, etc…that ain’t happening now.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:04 pmOpen mouth, Insert foot.
It’s easy. Easy as rolling off the Wagon, OOPS, did I just say that King dumbya is an on again off again drunk? I didn’t mean to imply that. I meant to imply that all his cocaine use srewed up his brain and his drinking fried what few cells were left. Oh my god! Did I just say that?
My bad.
Welcome, our newest member of trollhood moderate mary. You are neither moderate, nor a woman. Do you dress in female clothing as well? No wonder they kicked you out of the rightie sites. Over there, you at least have to be a top.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:05 pmi hope the US NEVER, EVER has another president as stupid and as arrogant as Bush.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:05 pmThis is just wasting our time. This is a lame duck prez. It appears that two tactics are being taken by the repubs.
The real focus should be on changing the corrupt political structure put in place by the repubs that rob Americans of personal freedom as well dooming Americans to pay for the profits to repub supports for the next several generations. Beating up bush is too easy. He’s unintelligent, lacks a world view and is probably a second rate brush remover. Let’s stop wasting our time and energy proving the obvious.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:06 pm“some people” have seen “moderate” marry with Gary Rupert and the Straw man, plotting various ways to hate America with their fellow neo-cons…
March 20th, 2006 at 4:06 pmIn the UK we have just watches despatches an hour long program looking into Iraqs 23 Bn dollars missing , we just had to watch babies dying in hospitals cause you gauys stole the money and reported it was going into hospitals , water , sewage, and of course haliburton
we just watched , kids dying from malaria from seage works, kids dying from diarrhea from unclean water, we just watched kids dying from no vitamin K at births
what American has done to Iraq will never ever be forgotten by everybody in Europe to the age of 16 till they die
We will never forgive you ..mass murdering thiefs
I have not bought an American product for three years now or will I ever buy one, I even use Uk Wheat in bread as to not buy American super wheat , I can tell you now I WILL NEVER EVER BUY ANYTHING AMERICAN FIOR THE REST OF MY LIFE
March 20th, 2006 at 4:06 pmAND the national job market is doing great. I think most Americans understand that. They are angry over the war and spending, not the economy. Try focusing your message and you might actually win over mainstream voters like myself.
Comment by Moderate Mary — March 20, 2006 @ 3:43 pm
The job market is doing great? Let’s take a look:
The President noted that the US has gained 4.6 million jobs in the past two-and-a-half years. That’s true. However, most of that gain merely made up for the 2.6 million jobs that were lost during Bush’s first two-and-a-half years.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:07 pmThe President burnishes the State of the Union through selective facts and strategic omissions.
#2 - I wish Bush was…
March 20th, 2006 at 4:11 pm#20: We all know how much the repugs love “investigations”, but no amount of your “investigation” cop-out will bring back the “75-year-old woman and a 6-month-old infant”, nor can it prove they were “terrorists” at that age. If you can be happy to convince yourself that “investigations” will prove anything, please keep it to yourself, don’t be a troll. Or, go ahead and read the blog “Baghdad Burning”, and you’ll know how simple folks are being terrorized each and every day.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:11 pm#5 - “yes, Jimmy Carter and John Kerry”
I can’t even begin to draw a logical connection between Jimmy Carter and being tactless.
Jimmy Carter and being the most honest, decent, humaniterian to ever be President, yes. Tactless, no. Might be you’re a Republican out to wildly throw insults, if so here’s a little venyette that I think Dems and Liberals will enjoy.
I was cleaning a ladies carpet just today (Pastors wife, red state, the south) while the Bush speech was on. She remarked about how Bush and Cheney had misled everyone on Iraq. I quickly reprimanded her that ” No maam, the people wanted to be misled. Any rational human being, knew full well that there was no threat from Iraq.” “It was all about hate. They were programmed to hate, and Bush gave them two groups to hate, the Democrats and the Iraqis.”
I probably shoudn’t have been so direct, as she had hired me, but it just slipped out. She went upstairs until I finished. On my leaving, I noticed that she had red eyes, as if she might have been crying.
Just a little venyette of life in the religious, red state, south. However to those skilled in reading the Rossetta stones of life in a Republican stronghold, I knew right then that the tide had turned, the pendulum has started it’s swing back the other way.
The Republican faithful have begun to do their Ponchus Pilot act of trying to wash their hands of the whole mess, but those stains on our flag, our history, our Constitution, our democracy, our beliefs in humanity, simply will not wash off the hands of those who were accomplices to the crimes.
Trainwasher of The South Carolina Regulators
March 20th, 2006 at 4:12 pm#47 - first of all “stuff happens” is not a defense to war crimes. no, we aren’t there and aren’t faced with what they’re seeing every. single. day.
but, there are also lines of right and wrong. torture is wrong. period. killing innocent women and children is wrong. period.
and, sadly, our men and women are not being held accountable for their actions (especially the ones higher up on the food chain).
… and, one more thing … it’s ANECDOTAL evidence, not antidotal.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:13 pmThis type of thing is a product of a scared soldier. If is was in the middle of a unfriendly country, I would shoot first and ask questions later if heard gun shots as well.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:14 pmAfter reading the responses to my comment about Kerry, I really fear for dissent in this country. I make a comment to the contrary of something you post and you all immediately spout hatred and bile to me. My goodness, you people must learn how to deal with dissenting opinions. It is what our country was founded on. You can’t win elections til you figure this out. Dissent is good in our country.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:14 pm#59 - Mary you are contradicting yourself. When people disagree with you, we are dissenting. You are not the only one who gets to dissent. You are right, dissent is good for our country.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:16 pmLOL really mary is dissent good? Then why are the republicans doing there best to squash any dissent?
March 20th, 2006 at 4:17 pmModerate Mary, if there’s one thing Bush has taught us, it’s that crushing dissent and winning elections are not mutually exclusive.
That said, you’re complaining about being insulted on a blog, and turning a blind eye to real repression of dissent by this country’s political leaders.
Get some priorities.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:17 pmwhat a sad troll we have here.
Karl’s off is game today.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:19 pmOff topic, but look at the pictures of Bush on this thread and the previous pictured thread. What a pissy face. People asking him questions — the nerve…
March 20th, 2006 at 4:20 pm# 59 -
Mary, we asked for an example of tactlessness from either Kerry or Carter. You provided neither. All you did provide was an inaccurate quote from Kerry that you disagreed with - but not one that was tactless.
You also said that the economy was good - we provided you with information that proved the opposite.
1) that is neither hatred, nor bile.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:20 pm2) what it is, however, is good, healthy debate.
59-62, it is the general reaction that I get in this blog. Almost as if you hate your opponents so much that you would hurt them physically. It is scary - I wish I could help you with my moderate views, but I can’t. It is obvious that alot of your are very angry and I can’t work with that.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:20 pmI really fear for dissent in this country.
Comment by Moderate Mary — March 20, 2006 @ 4:14 pm
That was my same thought when Ari Fleischer said “Americans need to watch what they say, watch what they do. This is not a time for remarks like that; there never is.”
I make a comment to the contrary of something you post and you all immediately spout hatred and bile to me.
I didn’t “spout hatred and bile” -I pointed out how mistaken you are… and how you mischaracterised Kerry’s statement.
My goodness, you people must learn how to deal with dissenting opinions.
Maybe you should tell this to the Bush administration and its supporters -any criticism is treason and any dissent to support terror.
But I can agree, dissent is good…
March 20th, 2006 at 4:21 pmLike the Preznit puts in a lotta hours………..between naps and vacations.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:25 pmit is the general reaction that I get in this blog. Almost as if you hate your opponents so much that you would hurt them physically.
wow … you never visit Little Green Footballs do you … there, visions of “stomping” liberals is a daily occurrence …
… we debate you with facts, and you feel oppressed??? that’s just … well … pathetic.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:25 pmHey Guys, a few million jobs at thousands of new wal-marts don’t count for much.
EARTH TO CONSERVATIVES: Take your heads out of your asses for God’s sake.
The country is falling apart, the population is more divided than ever, race relations are going backwards, (remember Katrina?), we are killing innocent people in Iraq, Afghanistan AND SOON IRAN for the reasons we SHOULD be talking to North Korea.
Jobs in this country have been outsourced to the point of being rediculous and are being replaced with lower paying “service jobs”. We all can’t work at Wal-Mart, sorry…
Immigration is out of control; the “conservatives” in charge are spending the dollar out of existance and wasting tons of money every day.
Also the neo-cons are freaking insane: they WANT the rapture to come after they destroy the planet. Doesn’t that strike any of you as particularly NUTS????
STOP listening to Rush, Hannity, Savage, Glen Beck, FOX NEWS and CNN.
Join the rest of us in reality for a change.
And yes I AM a liberal - that used to be a good thing. BTW - CHRIST was the ultimate liberal in case you forgot….
March 20th, 2006 at 4:26 pmIt is obvious that alot of your are very angry and I can’t work with that.
Comment by Moderate Mary
So by people providing proof and holding you to the facts we are angry??? Geeze! If you can’t support your opinion, then you should expect people to call you on it.
Are the people here suppose to just let baseless comments go without any opposition?
March 20th, 2006 at 4:27 pmi’m stunned that the crowd’s response of laughter. if anyone had any cajones they would have shouted, “no george!! you’ve sold the country out from under us and our jobs too!”
what a muppet
March 20th, 2006 at 4:30 pmLet this be a lesson: a man with limited intellect and inadequate life experiences may make a good drinking buddy; but not president of the United States. Bush is so totally un-American, so devoid of the qualities of the Founding Fathers (sharp wit, well-read, well-spoken, articulate, and brilliant). Bush is a disgrace.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:31 pmMary your views are not very moderate. My views are moderate, many of the posters here are moderate. Yes there are extremists from both sides who post here, but that is a minority. to answer your question, many of us are angry. Angry that people like you gave into your fear in a false paradigm created by the republicans, to elect a man who should never have taken the office of the president into power for a second term. We are angry at the loss of our country, at the needless deaths of US soldiers, at the shoulder crushing debt that is being piled onto our children and grandchildren. Angry that the ideals of our country are being destroyed, all to facilitate corporate greed? a vendetta against Sadaam? control of valuable middle east oil?
your damn right I am angry. our country is better then this. we fought a war to be independant, a war to keep this country united and to end the practice of slavery, Social battles have been fought to defend the weakest among us, to end segregation, and push forward a society that lives free, that values justice, and democracy. And within a few short years, we have slipped backward.
Do we really want to be allied with puppet dictatorships, and religious theocracries around the world?
March 20th, 2006 at 4:31 pmthe US has achieved so much, and we are destroying it out of fear and greed. If you think I am part of the loony left then fine, but you are not a moderate.
moderate mary -
very good - dissent is critical to the health of this country.
being informed of actual facts, not mere truthiness, is even more vital.
be careful of what propaganda you ingest and regurgitate.
maybe you should check out what people have actually said before you defame them publically.
ps-
March 20th, 2006 at 4:31 pmsay hi to the rest of the 101st Fighting Keyboards.
#59 Just trying to speak your language. Really, we are all fed up with your bull. You aren’t moderate, no republican is any longer. You are out of message.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:31 pm#70 i’m sorry, but who cares what “christ” was.
the “christ” believers have done more damage to us than anything. forget about christ. move on. who are you trying to kid?
by the way immigration is NOT out of control. exportation of american jobs is what’s out of control. stop blaming the victim. you can claim to be “liberal” all day long, but you certainly don’t show it
March 20th, 2006 at 4:32 pmdon’t let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:34 pmUm, Moderate Mary….I am a Clevelander. Last year, my city had the dubious honor of being named the “poorest city in America” for its size/population category. Ohio’s economy is in the dumper and people are fleeing elsewhere in search of work. This was NOT the case in the 90s when the city was in the midst of a comeback. Since “dear leader’s” time I had my own hours cut back and my salary reduced.
Many elderly in our area have told me that they have not seen times like these since Hoover…yes, Hoover.
So, take your gated community, investor class view of the economy to Palisades or Scottsdale or some community who wants to believe the hype…and do NOT presume to speak for working people in the Rust Belt who have not seen a dime of this “trickle down” fairy tale.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:36 pmJust a thought,
Could Moderate Mary and Mighty Aphrodite be both the same persons?
Is that why she(s) been on a roll of talking nonsense.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:38 pmHere’s a fine example of a ReichWingConservative that refuses to admit or acknowledge the horror the Bush administration inspires. This reminds me of someone blaming the victim in a rape case or in this case blaming those attempting to hold rapists accountable. Moderate Mary, you sir are a very sick individual.
John Kerry claimed American troops were terrorizing Iraqi women and children on Face the Nation earlier this year. I found that to be a very dumb thing to say.
Comment by Moderate Mary — March 20, 2006 @ 3:38 pm
Military Hides Cause of Women Soldiers’ Deaths
By Marjorie Cohn
t r u t h o u t | Report
Monday 30 January 2006
“In a startling revelation, the former commander of Abu Ghraib prison testified that Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, former senior US military commander in Iraq, gave orders to cover up the cause of death for some female American soldiers serving in Iraq.
Last week, Col. Janis Karpinski told a panel of judges at the Commission of Inquiry for Crimes against Humanity Committed by the Bush Administration in New York that several women had died of dehydration because they refused to drink liquids late in the day. They were afraid of being assaulted or even raped by male soldiers if they had to use the women’s latrine after dark.”
“…But most shameful is Sanchez’s cover-up of the dehydration deaths of women that occurred in Iraq. Sanchez is no stranger to outrageous military orders. He was heavily involved in the torture scandal that surfaced at Abu Ghraib. Sanchez approved the use of unmuzzled dogs and the insertion of prisoners head-first into sleeping bags after which they are tied with an electrical cord and their are mouths covered. At least one person died as the result of the sleeping bag technique. Karpinski charges that Sanchez attempted to hide the torture after the hideous photographs became public.”
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/013006J.shtml
March 20th, 2006 at 4:38 pmHe should have given the finger to the audience…that’s what he really wants to do…
March 20th, 2006 at 4:39 pmGosh, I wish you Liberals would stop whining. Jeez, if you don’t have a job you can shine shoes for tips from one of the members of the top 2% who got most of the tax cuts (to stimulate the economy: see you get tips for shining the shoes of the super wealthy and then you can go buy lots of stuff, buy, buy, buy - on credit if you don’t have any money. Then, when you can’t pay off your bills, the new bankruptcy provisions will see that your creditors can attach your measely wages and assets. Oh happy day!)
Thank you Mr. Bush, need your shoes shined?
March 20th, 2006 at 4:39 pmGeez “Moderate Mary”, I didn’t read alot of “hatred and bile”. Pointing out your obvious lack of any merit in your comments should be an eye opener to you. Oh, wait, I forgot, your tactic, much like your dear president’s, is to attack the messenger(s) and not the message. Cynical Ex is right. Get some priorities, heck, get a CLUE!
March 20th, 2006 at 4:40 pmIt is extra funny coming from the President who has smashed records for amount of time spent on vacation.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:40 pmMore on the Pentagon’s plans to further terrorise Iraqis into submission:
The shield which stopped a guerrilla victory in El Salvador was in reality a reign of terror.(…) It was a well-organised, dirty war in which the CIA was heavily involved. Horrendously mutilated corpses - sometimes decapitated - were left in full public view. Using fear, the policy succeeded in denying the rebels open civilian support.
‘El Salvador Option’ mooted for Iraq
Back on the topic of the thread. It has been long warned that the seemingly strong job creation during the Bush years is mainly concentrated in the lower-paying echelons:
“We’re creating a lot more jobs but they are still largely lower-paying jobs,” says Mark Zandi, chief economist at Economy.com. Zandi calls the difference between the higher-wage and lower-wage job creation pace significant.
“It means the jobs we are creating pack less of a punch for the economy,” Zandi says. “With less income, there is less spending and less growth.”
USAToday: Low-wage jobs rise at faster pace
• Job growth, too, appears to be recovering to health, but so far not strongly enough to cut the jobless rate much. A mixed picture.
• On incomes, the picture is more negative. Adjusted for inflation, wages have fallen back to where they were in November 2001. While Bush’s tax cuts put rebate checks in millions of pockets, most of the benefit went to the rich.
Christian Science Monitor: Jobs, pay, and the score so far
That trend hasn’t changed since the articles above were published. The Baltimore Chronicle published a a nice, concise analysis by Paul Roberts based on the government’s own figures:
This is why the American public is unaware that higher paid jobs in export and import-competitive industries are being phased out along with engineering and other professional “knowledge jobs” and replaced with lower paid jobs in domestic services. The replacement of higher paid jobs with lower paid jobs is one reason for the decline in median household income over the past five years. It is not a large decline, but it is a decline.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:40 pmHow the Economic News is Spun
[…] From Think Progress: Bush To Cleveland: ‘Anybody Work Here In This Town?’ […]
March 20th, 2006 at 4:46 pmI hope Keith Olbermann picked up on that quote.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:47 pmre: “Try focusing your message and you might actually win over mainstream voters like myself.
Comment by Moderate Mary — March 20, 2006 @ 3:43 pm
no interest here in ‘winning over mainstream voters like yourself.’ if knowledge, intellect, reason, logic and common sense can’t convince you to join us, then we don’t want you. good luck. and get lost.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:50 pmBush couldn’t even pretend to be respectful to a Cleveland audience. His goons, Blackwell, Ney et al have probably let him know that Clevelanders as a group did not vote for him. Had he given his little speech in Cincy or Columbus he might have tried a bit harder to pretend to give a crap. The downstaters have swallowed his snakeoil in large numbers.
But then again, Bush cannot be let out of sight of his handlers and teleprompters. I have seen middle school debate teams think more quickly on their feet, present more cogent arguments and speak with more confidence and flair than Dim Son. This was the first thing that drove me crazy about him…back in the innocent days when I pegged him for just another corporate cabana boy. Now, the fact that he cannot speak the most basic English is about #999 down my list of beefs about him.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:50 pmThis is the first time posting here so please forgive any errors in format.
To anyone who thinks this statement is not an important (and not very funny) indictment of the Administration and the man himself, consider:
1) “people are poor because they are lazy.”
2) “the Federal Trade Commission, and the Securities Exchange Commission were unnecessary hindrances to “free market competition.”
3) Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal was “socialism.”
4) Opposed to Social Security, Medicare, Environmental Protection, Public Schools, and Labor Unions
Harvard Business School- to instructor(s).
5) “You know I could run for governor but I’m basically a media creation. I’ve never done anything. I’ve worked for my dad. I worked in the oil business. But that’s not the kind of profile you have to have to get elected to public office.â€
To long time friend from Yale and business partner Roland Betts; then goes on to run as oil tycoon and Vietnam War fighter pilot.
6) “I hope I’m not here to have to deal with it.â€
On the 2000 election campaign trail responding to reports from Texas about uncertainties in the state budget and deficiencies in state services that took a backseat to Bush’s $1.7 billion tax cut.
7) “I don’t understand how poor people think…”
Post 2000 election to the Reverend Jim Wallis, leader of Call to Renewal, a network of churches that fight poverty.
8) “You can fool some of the people all of the time and those are the ones you want to concentrate on.”
Gridiron Club dinner
One can only guess that the remnants of his supporters are those that can get fooled all the time or, alternatively, continue to fool themselves. Oh… almost forgot- and/or paid or unpaid shills.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:52 pmNice job TP. Nice job.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:53 pmYou did not make a comment to the contrary. You spewed bile. You come in here pretending that you are mainstream. Get a grip. You are far from it.
We have to deal with being called traitors and unpatriotic everyday because our dissent. Walk a mile in our shoes then let us know about how dissent is scrutinized in this country. Until then, STFU.
You are nothing but a troll with no contrary arguement. You only came here to cause problems, not discuss the facts.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:53 pmModerate Mary:
You’re brilliant. You are playing these liberals like a cheap violin. They don’t see the irony in a Christian Conservative pretending to be IN FAVOR OF dissent! What a bunch of morans! Keep it up; you’re doing so well.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:01 pm‘does anybody work here?’….well, we see you don’t. Lieing isn’t work. The only one working is cheney, 5 years of using taxpayer money to fly around to ‘republican fund raisers’…..
March 20th, 2006 at 5:02 pmIn the small town that I live in there are two manufacturers. One of them procides key component parts to a high selling piece of machinery. This place historically has revenues in the $100 million range and profits in the $20 million range. Historically they have offered overtime as much as their employees wanted it. For the last two years they have cut back on overtime because the orders are not there. They have a month here and there, but lately the orders are not enough to allow for the overtime. This place has historically sold it’s self on the fact that line workers can earn much more than their base wages via overtime and productions bonuses, which have also dried up as production has dropped.
The results of this? Employees can’t afford their homes and heating bills which has resulted in over 200 homes being for sale within the city limits of my community of 4,500. That’s a lot of homes two or three per block. This has caused my home value to drop as there is no one available to buy these homes. Stores are selling less consumable goods and the big stores are selling less durable goods (read; cars & lawn mowers, power tools etc…) These lower sales have resulted in job loss as the retail vendors have to conserve costs and have fewer employees working. The situation has been a boon for my wife’s aunt who runs the local human services office and food pantry, though the food pantry has been in crisis mode for a couple of years now.
Recently a friend of mine did an order for this company, this friend was going to get paid $1,600. Not much, but enough when you are running a small business. She went to pick up her payment and was told that she could not get paid until the company purchased some toner for their printers. In case you don’t grasp the significance of this, then I will explain. A company renowned for its engineering prowess does not have toner available to print checks to pay bills. This place has 50 printers and they are out of toner. That should set off a red light when a previously very healthy company is out of a staple supply.
And it’s not like this particular component can be produced anywhere else in the world as the patents for the piece are held by individuals who own the company and they will not sell them to anyone outside the community. So their customers are not getting the pieces elsewhere, they are just not getting them.
So don’t tell me the economy is good and that most Americans recognize this.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:03 pmYou wait, Scott McClellan will say that he didn’t say what he said. He was talking about a different Cleveland.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:03 pmBush on the side of the highway holding a sign: Will War For Food
March 20th, 2006 at 5:03 pm“So the answer, Mr. President, is that a lot of people in Cleveland don’t work because they can’t find jobs.”
Cleveland is a beaten up rust belt city with too many Democrats and Negroes. Just like Detroit the unions and the social manipulators have destroyed it. Anyone with a brain bigger than a peanut left 20 years ago and took their companies with them…..to Texas.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:07 pm“Marines massacre Iraqi family”
http://www.rawstory.com/comments/12175.html
That’s for Misinformation Mary…
March 20th, 2006 at 5:07 pmCheck out this video clip of him trying to answer an amazingly easy softball question, and completely fumbling it. God, what a load of crap — and the way he smiles and laughs at all the wrong times…
March 20th, 2006 at 5:08 pmhttp://www.clipblast.com/ blog/ clips-to-watch-bush-says-support-the-troops-eventually-cbs-politics.htm
I don’t know what a ‘moran’ is, but I suspect it has something to do with GWB.
I am currently unemployed for 6 months after having my job of 33 years shipped to Mexico. I have been criticized for questioning the Christianity of Bush. Personally, I think he invited me as a voter to judge his character by way of his Christianity. I found and still find him wanting. At least he is not what I believe a Christian to be!
One other comment—if you think this administration is anything but corrupt, you are probably anything but a moderate.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:08 pmFor “Misinformation Mary”…
“Marines massacre Iraqi family”
http://www.rawstory.com/comments/12175.html
March 20th, 2006 at 5:08 pmI’m gay, and I use to think I was moderate, so my friends called me “Moderate Mary.” Now, I’m just a bitchy, crabby progressive.
Oh well.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:11 pmWho can forget this classic?:
“Those weapons of mass destruction have got to be somewhere. (Laughter and applause.)
(Laughter.)
Nope, no weapons over there. (Laughter and applause.) Maybe under here. (Laughter.) Oops, this photo wasn’t supposed to be in here. This is the Skull and Bones secret signal. (Laughter.)
That’s the president of the United States mocking Americans after lying about WMD.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:12 pm“Too many negroes”
That’s the good stuff!
March 20th, 2006 at 5:13 pmIRI,
March 20th, 2006 at 5:17 pmIsn’t there a nice pre teen neighborhood boy you should be raping at the moment?
The economy might be booming but it isn’t for folks like myself that just got laid off from a good paying job as a supervisor at an American auto company that is doing all it can to take good jobs from here in America and taking them to any overseas country putting forth the lowest bid. Tell me, whose economic status has improved here?
March 20th, 2006 at 5:18 pmU.S. college graduates are facing the best job market since 2001, with business, computer, engineering, education and health care grads in highest demand, a report by an employment consulting firm showed on Monday.
http://today.reuters.com/ news/ newsarticle.aspx?type=domesticNews&storyid=2006-03-20T163503Z_01_N20258421_RTRUKOC_0_US-ECONOMY-JOBS.xml&rpc=22
Not much call for that in Cleveland or Detroit. Too bad the burger flipper jobs are already taken and the hip hop M/C spots are all filled because that just doesn’t leave much left for all you Progressive Wunderkinds to do.
Hey I know…maybe Kerry, Clinton and Soros could use some by the hour protestors?
March 20th, 2006 at 5:18 pm#72 - Don’t insult the muppets like that! What did they ever do to you? Muppets are smart, witty, engaging … absolutely nothing like shrub.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:19 pmI-RIGHT-I is nothing but a camp turd burgling chutney ferret - I think you call them gays in the USA , he’s very bitter cause he aint come out the closet yet
March 20th, 2006 at 5:21 pmJimBOB wonders if MM and MA are one in the same. (In a similar fashion I imagined RyANNe and RumPunch could be “Ego” and “AlterEgo”….)
March 20th, 2006 at 5:22 pm****Dear JimBOB - No, Moderate Mary is far more kind than I. She mentioned the lying John “medals/ribbons” Kerry and the politically impotent, Mr. Jimmeh. I mentioned the coarse, vulgar, crude womanizer LBJ.
Are you reptiles paid to post here in support of the Boy Flunky? Do you all also enjoy walking hand in hand with Saudi royalty and watching a Christian being beheaded for the crime of religious conversion with such friends of democracy? Is that just good old fun these days?
You all probably wish you were by the Boy Blunder’s side while he sat in that chair in the Florida elementary school after his chief of staff told him “America is under attackâ€. What an honor that would have been, he looked so stately and Presidential, just sitting there, and sitting there, and sitting there. That scene is why I never refer to this boy as an M-A-N. You see no real M-A-N would actually sit there like a lost and confused child waiting for daddy to tell him what to do. Who do you think daddy is?
Why do you think people hate this loser as much as they do? It can’t be his religion. The same folks love President Carter and he’s as Christian as they get, even taught Sunday almost every Sunday while he was President. Can you image Curious George teaching Sunday school? I don’t think he can talk about a single Bible verse with any real understanding. Can you image, “Moses, he had these stone tablets, there were 10 of them and they ah, ah, ah, well, there’s things God just don’t want you to do†(Insert awkward Bush chuckle here with a characteristic smirk finish). Maybe some of us liked that he wasn’t into nation building and has gone back on that one. Maybe we were looking forward to him restoring honor to the White House, and now we’re just pissed about the wiretapping, torturing, massive dept, the price of gas, the environment going into the toilet, the attitude that he can decide which laws he’s going to respect, you know all the little things.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:22 pma camp turd burgling chutney ferret -
Comment by We Say Tomato — March 20, 2006 @ 5:21 pm
How ever did that become a popular saying???? Doesn’t exactly roll off the tongue…
March 20th, 2006 at 5:24 pm“She mentioned the lying John “medals/ribbons†Kerry”
Only someone related to W or Rove would buy into that lie!!
March 20th, 2006 at 5:25 pmThe economy might be booming but it isn’t for folks like myself that just got laid off from a good paying job as a supervisor at an American auto company that is doing all it can to take good jobs from here in America and taking them to any overseas country putting forth the lowest bid. Tell me, whose economic status has improved here?
Comment by SqueakyF
If you were really a supervisor you’d know why the plants are leaving this country. And you thought all those union dues would help you keep your job? Sorry to hear about your trouble though. It’s time to move on and find another career. American car companies are screwed and they’ve done it in large part to themselves. Shopping work overseas is like bailing the sinking boat with a thimble. It doesn’t matter how cheap your labor costs are if you can’t build a car people are willing to buy.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:25 pm****Dear JimBOB - No, Moderate Mary is far more kind than I. She mentioned the lying John “medals/ribbons†Kerry and the politically impotent, Mr. Jimmeh. I mentioned the coarse, vulgar, crude womanizer LBJ.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — March 20, 2006 @ 5:22 pm
Don’t forget coherent and types in grammatically correct English.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:26 pmThe job market may be good for recent grads because theycost less than experienced employees and the job market for college grads is different from that of the manufacturing types.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:26 pmAmerica to the White House: ‘Anybody have a fucking clue in there?”
March 20th, 2006 at 5:27 pmmighty
March 20th, 2006 at 5:27 pmstooped to the bowel level of her imagined enemies long ago…
Back in your box, mighty. Papa wants some.
#47, Like your message but the word I think you were looking for is anecdotal, not antidotal. Not even sure antidotal is a word. Come on everybody. We’re smart people. Let’s not give the right wing nuts any ammo to come back at us reasonable people with. By the way, if Moderate Mary is moderate, I’m Angelina Jolie.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:27 pmIt doesn’t matter how cheap your labor costs are if you can’t build a car people are willing to buy.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — March 20, 2006 @ 5:25 pm
You mean YOU didn’t buy American???
March 20th, 2006 at 5:28 pm#110 Yes, but that’s a given.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:29 pmIn response to Post #70, about the Christipublicans thinking that “The Rapture” is about to happen after they wreck the country, I personally CAN’T WAIT for the Rapture to vacuum up all the humorless, uptight, bluenosed, busybody characters out there and take them away. And for the Christipublicans, here’s a thought: maybe The Rapture already happened, and none of you were any good!
March 20th, 2006 at 5:29 pmYes, the economy is booming if you’re willing to take a 40% reduction in salary as I had to do 2 years ago. To say that in Cleveland, which rebuilt itself under Clinton and now is becoming a ghost town again. No one can be that dumb! Well, proven wrong again. Whenever I see those old W 04 bumper stickers still on those Caddies I always think it should have been read as Woe 4 US.
Peace, back by popular demand!
March 20th, 2006 at 5:30 pmI-RIGHT-I is nothing but a camp turd burgling chutney ferret - I think you call them gays in the USA , he’s very bitter cause he aint come out the closet yet
Comment by We Say Tomato
That’s funny coming from loser in a nation well known for buggery. Oh, by the way….most of the left wing fucktards like you on this site are rump rangers. They probably are taking offense at the term “turd burgling”.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:30 pmThe job market may be good for recent grads because theycost less than experienced employees and the job market for college grads is different from that of the manufacturing types.
Comment by Mark — March 20, 2006 @ 5:26 pm
The last architecture firm I worked for in San Francisco started hiring boat loads of college students because that was even cheaper. Then they bragged about company profits… Well, duh…
March 20th, 2006 at 5:30 pmMA-
March 20th, 2006 at 5:32 pmCheney got out of going to Viet Nam 5 times because he had “other priorities.”
Bush simply went AWOL.
Say that to the tens of thousands who were killed and maimed, and for what?
Bet they had some alternative priorities.
Please don’t defend chickenhawks.
Back in your box, mighty. Papa wants some.
Comment by Bush is Watching You 24/7 — March 20, 2006 @ 5:27 pm
Please lay off the pedophile comments. They aren’t funny - ever.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:32 pmAntidotal sounds like a pediatric chemical reaction/hatred of neocon photo op kisses.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:33 pmIRI, it is obvious that you do not like being here in America and hate most of the people in it. You can always leave you know. I really don’t think this is the type of place for you - freedoms, poor people, various ethnicities, etc. It is all bad to you so go.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:34 pmmighty used to mention her husband rather frequently. Sorry, unbelievable.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:35 pmI have seen I-Wrong-I post here often. I-R-I is a pathetic troll…not even good at being a troll. I have often thought I-R-I might be a paid poster for the progressive side…What better advertisement? If the “other side’ is as moronic, crude and pathetic as IRI, there is no better reason to shout it down.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:37 pmmighty used to mention her husband rather frequently. Sorry, unbelievable.
Comment by Bush is Watching You 24/7 — March 20, 2006 @ 5:35 pm
One of my students is a victim of incest. It’s sad because she’s so angry and violent. I can’t stand to hear jokes about it. Thanks.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:38 pmYou mean YOU didn’t buy American???
Comment by unbelievable
Nope. Not this last time. My 5000+lb, gas guzzling, 4X4 crew cab pickemup with the optional “Easy Rider Rifle Rack” wears a Japanese label though it was built in the USA. No regrets so far at 10,000 miles.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:40 pmIRI, it is obvious that you do not like being here in America and hate most of the people in it. You can always leave you know. I really don’t think this is the type of place for you - freedoms, poor people, various ethnicities, etc. It is all bad to you so go.
Comment by progressive and proud
You think too highly of yourself. This country has very few people in it that think like you. It’s people like you that I have a problem with. Real Americans regardless of their color get along just fine with me and I them. The fact that I won’t date most of them is neither here nor there.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:42 pm#134 Whoah, why do you hate Amurka, Adolf?
March 20th, 2006 at 5:43 pmIf the “other side’ is as moronic, crude and pathetic as IRI, there is no better reason to shout it down.
Comment by loril
The last person that tried to shout me down got a fist in is mouth. That’s how we handle fucktards down here. Manners are very important in the South, wait your turn to speak and for idiots like you, only speak when spoken to. Don’t hold your breath for that last one.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:45 pmwears a Japanese label though it was built in the USA. No regrets so far at 10,000 miles.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — March 20, 2006 @ 5:40 pm
And probably an American flag bumper sticker…
March 20th, 2006 at 5:45 pmDear Mr./Ms Tomaaaato - Please don’t expect realistic Americans to agree with anti-war, appeasement Brits. (We are grateful for the support of your citizens who realize what a deadly threat radical Islam is.) You appear to be the mediocre sort who are thrilled with second rate medicine and poor orthodontia.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:46 pmAn “Antidotal” is what you give an infant who has been kissed by a neocon politician.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:49 pmAnd probably an American flag bumper sticker…
Comment by unbelievable
No bumper stickers of any kind. The sniper rifle hanging in the back window says it all.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:49 pm[…] Elsewhere on the blog and on the web, readers and researchers and writers have recaptured the speech of the war cabal and the chicken hawks and the meek and cowed press. They deserve a read, they really do. Because even if you still want to believe in your heart of hearts that this war was the one we needed to wage, you have to ask yourself how many times we can be proven wrong and still be on “the right track”. […]
March 20th, 2006 at 5:50 pmYou appear to be the mediocre sort who are thrilled with second rate medicine and poor orthodontia.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — March 20, 2006 @ 5:46 pm
I thought sweeping statements are crazy and absurd… Oh! Except when you do it - then it’s to sperate left wing losers from their sanity … No, wait that second part was IRI. But, no difference…
Why don’t you go get a life?
March 20th, 2006 at 5:51 pm#137 Punching fucktards in the mouth? I know your momma didn’t teach you those type of manners. Now speak when spoken to is more like it but with the logic of punching someone you don’t agree with is just plain dumb. Your momma would be ashamed. tsk, tsk
March 20th, 2006 at 5:52 pmmighty
March 20th, 2006 at 5:52 pmslips so easily off the pedestal from which she imagines herself. Tsk…resorting to insult.
No bumper stickers of any kind. The sniper rifle hanging in the back window says it all.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — March 20, 2006 @ 5:49 pm
If you weren’t so funny, I’d be scared… really scared…
March 20th, 2006 at 5:53 pmA Tundra weighs 2 1/2 tons? I didn’t figure they were that heavy.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:55 pmIs I-RIGHT-I talking about being a homosexual again? For somebody that wants people to think he is a tough guy from Texas, he sure does talk about being gay a lot.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:55 pm#141 it says bell tower, University of Texas when you talk about it.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:55 pmBuenos Noches IRI…… fill up yer tank and head down south of the border, hear they got a new oil field opening up, and you’ll be welcomed with yer big shiny rig…… how long do you think you can go without sleeping? I have feeling you’ll wear out yer welcome soon enough wherever you end up………
March 20th, 2006 at 5:56 pm#141 it says bell tower, University of Texas when you talk about it.
Comment by Mark — March 20, 2006 @ 5:55 pm
Good one!
March 20th, 2006 at 5:57 pmI-RIGHT-I,
If you are such a big shot who thinks we should all be scared of your sniper rifle comment, why don’t you join the military and snipe some of those al Qaeda guys. You know service for your country and all. You know, like a real patriot.
Chicken. Bawk bawk bawk.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:57 pm“Anyone with a brain bigger than a peanut left 20 years ago and took their companies with them…..to Texas.”
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — March 20, 2006 @ 5:07 pm
Like Ken Lay? Not really making your case there . . .
March 20th, 2006 at 5:59 pmI whine I,
wouldn’t be allowed in the Army. It takes more than beer muscles and bullshit to make it. Besides I think he’d trip himself up on the whole “Don’t ask Don’t tell” policy.
March 20th, 2006 at 6:01 pmI know where IRI isn’t with his rifle. Maybe he has state side duty.
Or maybe he’s a chickenhawk. Or maybe he