Bush To Cleveland: ‘Anybody Work Here In This Town?’
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Bush To Cleveland: ‘Anybody Work Here In This Town?’
After getting frustrated at the length of the Q&A session of his speech in Cleveland today, Bush blurted out, “Anybody work here in this town?” Watch it:
Bush inadvertantly hit upon a subject he otherwise ignored - unemployment in Cleveland. Economic conditions in the city have worsened considerably during Bush’s presidency. Some facts:
- 5.8 percent: Cleveland unemployment rate, Jan. 2006
- 4.5 percent: Cleveland unemployment rate, Jan. 2001- 5.3 percent: Ohio unemployment rate, Jan. 2006
- 4.0 percent: Ohio unemployment rate, Jan. 2001- 31.3 percent: Cleveland poverty rate, 2003
- 24.3 percent: Cleveland poverty rate, 2001
So the answer, Mr. President, is that a lot of people in Cleveland don’t work because they can’t find jobs.
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The guy knows how to work an audience.
March 20th, 2006 at 3:25 pmUnreal. I am speechless....
March 20th, 2006 at 3:26 pmHas there ever been a politician with less tact than this idiot?
March 20th, 2006 at 3:26 pmBush, the inadvertent President. Speaks volumes.
March 20th, 2006 at 3:28 pm#3 - yes, Jimmy Carter and John Kerry.
March 20th, 2006 at 3:28 pmHard work, something this drunkard slacker has known about all his life.
March 20th, 2006 at 3:28 pmQ&A just doesn't work well when you don't know what
March 20th, 2006 at 3:29 pmthe fuck you're talking about. Didn't he have his remote
microphone input jack plugged in? We have to put up with
'Beam me up, Scotty' enough...please don't let this jackass
do it to us, too.
When Bush's comments aren't managed he'll usually blurt out something stupid or insensitive.
March 20th, 2006 at 3:30 pmHey, don't be so critical. It's hard work being clueless and incompetent.
March 20th, 2006 at 3:32 pm#5 Moderate Mary, care to be more specific?
March 20th, 2006 at 3:36 pm#5 - please cite incidents that involve Carter being tactless to an audience. Please. Same with Kerry. You may not like them or their politics, but I don't think they've ever been so tactless as to say "anybody work in this town?" in a city which has seen a nearly 30% increase in unemployment in the last 5 years.
yutz.
March 20th, 2006 at 3:37 pmJohn Kerry claimed American troops were terrorizing Iraqi women and children on Face the Nation earlier this year. I found that to be a very dumb thing to say.
March 20th, 2006 at 3:38 pmMy favorite is bush has his "why do I have to talk to these idiots" look on his face. I am guessing maybe the audience was not as vetted and rehearsed as his handlers would have liked.
March 20th, 2006 at 3:39 pmHey junior, whenever you're gettin' your ass fried, try to change the subject.
March 20th, 2006 at 3:41 pmOnly next time, try to choose something that doesn't make you look even worse.
If that's possible.
John Kerry claimed American troops were terrorizing Iraqi women and children on Face the Nation earlier this year. I found that to be a very dumb thing to say.
Comment by Moderate Mary — March 20, 2006 @ 3:38 pm
Moderate Mary, this just in:
BAGHDAD, Iraq - Iraqi police have accused American troops of executing 11 people, including a 75-year-old woman and a 6-month-old infant, in the aftermath of a raid last Wednesday on a house about 60 miles north of Baghdad.
The villagers were killed after American troops herded them into a single room of the house, according to a police document obtained by Knight Ridder Newspapers. The soldiers also burned three vehicles, killed the villagers' animals and blew up the house, the document said.
Iraqi police report details civilians' deaths at hands of U.S. troops
WASHINGTON - Naval investigators are looking into whether Marines intentionally killed 15 Iraqi civilians - four of them women and five of them children - during fighting last November, defense officials said Friday.
March 20th, 2006 at 3:42 pmOne official said it's unclear whether the Marines killed the civilians accidentally or whether they fired indiscriminately. It's also unclear whether all the civilians died in the same house or in separate locations. Among the dead was a 15-year-old girl, an official said.
U.S. to investigate civilian deaths in Iraq
If you highlighted what unemployment peaked at after Bush inherited the economy in recession, you would see the dramatic improvement from that low point. Most people understand the economy hit negative GDP in the third quarter of 2000.
AND the national job market is doing great. I think most Americans understand that. They are angry over the war and spending, not the economy. Try focusing your message and you might actually win over mainstream voters like myself.
March 20th, 2006 at 3:43 pmI was astonished to hear that he was planning to speak at the Cleveland City Club - it is very pro-business, of course, but, all the same, it is a reputable public forumn. I can't recall the last time he spoke before an "uncanned" audience. I'm guessing he won't be doing that again soon.
March 20th, 2006 at 3:43 pm#15 - dangitall, you beat me to it!!!
March 20th, 2006 at 3:44 pmJohn Kerry claimed American troops were terrorizing Iraqi women and children on Face the Nation earlier this year. I found that to be a very dumb thing to say.
Comment by Moderate Mary
no, that's not an example of being tactless ... that's just an example of something you DISAGREE WITH.
March 20th, 2006 at 3:45 pm#15 - I think investigating is the key word. Maybe we shoudl wait to trash the troops until we know for sure.
March 20th, 2006 at 3:46 pmIncompetent Lush....lil' Lord Bush caught in yet again with no clue as to the plight of the average American.
March 20th, 2006 at 3:47 pmNaturally, the crowd's response was preceeded by Rove's blinking 'laugh but do not think and kill the President' sign.
March 20th, 2006 at 3:48 pmI twice heard Bush use the word "war" as a verb in his speech.
March 20th, 2006 at 3:48 pmHey #11, it's called the Malaise Speech.
Look it up.
March 20th, 2006 at 3:50 pmcan anyone be more fucking stupid than this asshole?
March 20th, 2006 at 3:51 pmUhmm...Moderate Mary? Something tells me your name is a lie. Mainstream, yeah, right. Nice try though.
March 20th, 2006 at 3:51 pmAnybody work around here?
Same could be said of the white house.
Perhaps they take as much vacation time as the president does.
March 20th, 2006 at 3:51 pmModerate Mary - what planet do you live on? cuz I'd love to visit.
1) the unemployment rate rose AFTER Bush took office. Was it part of the dot-com fallout? of course, but tax cuts and deficit spending haven't helped.
2) mean household income has DROPPED in the last 3 years - in fact, the national savings rate was NEGATIVE last year. In other words, not only were households not able to save for a rainy day, they were living on credit.
3) foreign investment is declining - UAE has pulled out some of their investments, opting for the Euro, and China has pulled out some of theirs, opting for the yen. Last year OPEC announced they were also investing in the Euro.
no, Moderate Mary, jobs at Wal-Mart don't make for a strong economy.
March 20th, 2006 at 3:51 pmI would say that Bush probably has demonstrated the least tact of all Presidents, although Carter had his moment. I wouldn't even consider Kerry's comments, as he was not 'elected.'
W is something else...
March 20th, 2006 at 3:52 pm"John Kerry claimed American troops were terrorizing Iraqi women and children on Face the Nation earlier this year. I found that to be a very dumb thing to say."
No dear, what he said was, "WE DON"T NEED our troops terrorizing..." It was a hypothetical, not an allegation. Remember, he was a soldier and would never make such a careless statement.
March 20th, 2006 at 3:53 pmModerate mary, I think Hannity is having a toilet signing today,so grab your propaganda and your bottle of ripple and be gone. I know it has to be killing you to be so wrong about the incompetent child you elected, but alcohol and angry trollism doesnt change the fact that Bush has failed as a leader and will go down in history as a blunderer. Have a nice day.
March 20th, 2006 at 3:53 pm# 24 - Carter saying that the country had a "malaise" during the 70s ... again ... explain to me how that shows a lack of tact?
March 20th, 2006 at 3:53 pm#25, Mark... The answer to your question is NO.
March 20th, 2006 at 3:54 pmNot only is a village - Crawford - missing its idiot, the Oval Office - with that infamous 'Laura Eva Braun Bush designed' carpet - is missing its foot-in-mouth feed me, I'm on mental empty moron! Actions prove Bushie incompetent, and - again - he opens his mouth and confirms it! He claims God guides him, but if so, God's (also) on vacation & left nobody in charge!
March 20th, 2006 at 3:55 pm"#15 - I think investigating is the key word. Maybe we shoudl wait to trash the troops until we know for sure."
Moderate Mary - I don't think that an investigation is going to change anything. You really think that anything warrants an 18 month old baby being shot in the head?
This was a BLACK OPS training exercise for the Iraqi death squads. This is what our nation has sunk too.
Try reading a little, rather than listening to just the news. The information is out there. Including information from the coroner who did the autopsy on the bodies.
"AND the national job market is doing great. I think most Americans understand that. They are angry over the war and spending, not the economy."
BS!!!! I make more money than I did 4 years ago, but I actually have less money because of the economy. It costs me $40 every week for gas and food costs more, so where is the economy doing better???? People are loosing their high tech jobs everyday, and you say that the economy is doing well! Either your a child or your so rich that you don't have to work and therefore don't see the facts. Which is it?
March 20th, 2006 at 3:56 pmSaying Bush is out of touch with the common man would be to imply that at one time he was...
Never liked him. Never believed him.
March 20th, 2006 at 3:57 pmreign
You calous moron .
Go find a real job . You never had one,
March 20th, 2006 at 3:57 pmHe's just so used to people using that phrase at the White House that he just blurted it out. He tends to talk first, think later when confronted with "tough" questions....
March 20th, 2006 at 3:57 pmI think his handlers are having a tough time find an entire audience that will simply ask what they are told to ask. People are pissed, even those who are, for the most part, loyal to "the leader"
March 20th, 2006 at 3:58 pmOh, and Moderate Mary, this is what John Kerry said:
(...)And there is no reason, Bob, that young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children, you know, women, breaking sort of the customs of the--of--the historical customs, religious customs. (...)
CBS News - FACE THE NATION
Here is but one story on the many nightly raids US troops conduct across Iraq:
But all that came to a sudden bloody end at 12.30am last Monday, when soldiers arrived outside the apartment block where Farah and her family lived. What happened in a few minutes, and in the chaos of the hours that followed, is written across its walls. (...)
This is what the residents, and local police, told us had happened. Inside the apartment with Farah were her mother and a brother, Haroon, 13. As the soldiers started smashing doors, they began to kick in Farah's door with no warning. Panicking, and thinking that thieves were breaking into the apartment, Haroon grabbed a gun owned by his father and fired some shots to scare them off. The soldiers outside responded by shooting up the building and throwing grenades into Farah's apartment.
Farah tried to plead with the US troops but she was killed anyway
Now please explain to me how this not terrorising innocent Iraqis, and how this the Farah's fault...
March 20th, 2006 at 3:58 pm#3 - "Has there ever been a politician with less tact than this idiot? "
Comment by Jules
*****Yes, Jules, an idiot named LBJ had less tact and was almost as coarse as Fat Papa...hope that helps!!!
On thread - To paraphrase one of my favourite conservative "Economists" here at TP: "if your skills aren't valuable...." - I-R-I
March 20th, 2006 at 3:59 pmThe most important thing for me is did anyone ask him how god has guided him on this journey and then thanked him for being a man of faith?
March 20th, 2006 at 4:00 pm15#Also this one dedicated to Moderate Mary
US Army probes Iraqi civilian deaths
War crime?
According to eyewitnesses and local officials interviewed over the past 10 weeks, the civilians who died in Haditha were killed not by the roadside bomb but by the Marines themselves. They went on a rampage in the village after the attack, killing 15 unarmed Iraqis in their homes, including seven women and three children, the magazine said.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/30D3E5CA-44A5-4610-B1D5-7D77D5AC7A16.htm
March 20th, 2006 at 4:00 pmYeah Ms Moderate Mary, think how it looks when 6ft tall guys armed to the teeth come knocking down your door in the middle of the night shouting in a language they don't speak.
Disagree with Kerry, but 'tactless' makes you look dumb and stupid.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:00 pm[...] Think Progress has the video. [...]
March 20th, 2006 at 4:00 pm#40 - LBJ - now, THAT's a good call.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:01 pmOh, and Moderate Mary, this is what John Kerry actually said:
(...)And there is no reason, Bob, that young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children, you know, women, breaking sort of the customs of the--of--the historical customs, religious customs. (...)
CBS News - FACE THE NATION
Here is but one story on the many nightly raids US troops conduct across Iraq:
But all that came to a sudden bloody end at 12.30am last Monday, when soldiers arrived outside the apartment block where Farah and her family lived. What happened in a few minutes, and in the chaos of the hours that followed, is written across its walls. (...)
This is what the residents, and local police, told us had happened. Inside the apartment with Farah were her mother and a brother, Haroon, 13. As the soldiers started smashing doors, they began to kick in Farah's door with no warning. Panicking, and thinking that thieves were breaking into the apartment, Haroon grabbed a gun owned by his father and fired some shots to scare them off. The soldiers outside responded by shooting up the building and throwing grenades into Farah's apartment.
Farah tried to plead with the US troops but she was killed anyway
Now please explain to me how this not terrorising innocent Iraqis, and how this the Farah's or her family's fault...
March 20th, 2006 at 4:01 pmAll I know is, during war lots of bad things happen...just like at that Cornell prison experiment where the students acted as guards and prisoners and it quickly turned masochistic....so you can't blame the soldiers for doing much of anything unless you're there in that situation. Not saying it's okay, just that we can't really judge that very well sitting in our comfy chairs.
And to Moderate Mary...where do you live!? I haven't met anyone in a YEAR who thinks the economy is doing fine. In fact, EVERYONE I know is doing MUCH worse and living hand to mouth...and that's all my MIDDLE class friends. Antidotal yes, but I remember when all my friends were flush and having a great time eating out, going out, buying homes, etc...that ain't happening now.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:04 pmOpen mouth, Insert foot.
It's easy. Easy as rolling off the Wagon, OOPS, did I just say that King dumbya is an on again off again drunk? I didn't mean to imply that. I meant to imply that all his cocaine use srewed up his brain and his drinking fried what few cells were left. Oh my god! Did I just say that?
My bad.
Welcome, our newest member of trollhood moderate mary. You are neither moderate, nor a woman. Do you dress in female clothing as well? No wonder they kicked you out of the rightie sites. Over there, you at least have to be a top.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:05 pmi hope the US NEVER, EVER has another president as stupid and as arrogant as Bush.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:05 pmThis is just wasting our time. This is a lame duck prez. It appears that two tactics are being taken by the repubs.
The real focus should be on changing the corrupt political structure put in place by the repubs that rob Americans of personal freedom as well dooming Americans to pay for the profits to repub supports for the next several generations. Beating up bush is too easy. He's unintelligent, lacks a world view and is probably a second rate brush remover. Let's stop wasting our time and energy proving the obvious.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:06 pm"some people" have seen "moderate" marry with Gary Rupert and the Straw man, plotting various ways to hate America with their fellow neo-cons...
March 20th, 2006 at 4:06 pmIn the UK we have just watches despatches an hour long program looking into Iraqs 23 Bn dollars missing , we just had to watch babies dying in hospitals cause you gauys stole the money and reported it was going into hospitals , water , sewage, and of course haliburton
we just watched , kids dying from malaria from seage works, kids dying from diarrhea from unclean water, we just watched kids dying from no vitamin K at births
what American has done to Iraq will never ever be forgotten by everybody in Europe to the age of 16 till they die
We will never forgive you ..mass murdering thiefs
I have not bought an American product for three years now or will I ever buy one, I even use Uk Wheat in bread as to not buy American super wheat , I can tell you now I WILL NEVER EVER BUY ANYTHING AMERICAN FIOR THE REST OF MY LIFE
March 20th, 2006 at 4:06 pmAND the national job market is doing great. I think most Americans understand that. They are angry over the war and spending, not the economy. Try focusing your message and you might actually win over mainstream voters like myself.
Comment by Moderate Mary — March 20, 2006 @ 3:43 pm
The job market is doing great? Let's take a look:
The President noted that the US has gained 4.6 million jobs in the past two-and-a-half years. That's true. However, most of that gain merely made up for the 2.6 million jobs that were lost during Bush's first two-and-a-half years.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:07 pmThe President burnishes the State of the Union through selective facts and strategic omissions.
#2 - I wish Bush was...
March 20th, 2006 at 4:11 pm#20: We all know how much the repugs love "investigations", but no amount of your "investigation" cop-out will bring back the "75-year-old woman and a 6-month-old infant", nor can it prove they were "terrorists" at that age. If you can be happy to convince yourself that "investigations" will prove anything, please keep it to yourself, don't be a troll. Or, go ahead and read the blog "Baghdad Burning", and you'll know how simple folks are being terrorized each and every day.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:11 pm#5 - "yes, Jimmy Carter and John Kerry"
I can't even begin to draw a logical connection between Jimmy Carter and being tactless.
Jimmy Carter and being the most honest, decent, humaniterian to ever be President, yes. Tactless, no. Might be you're a Republican out to wildly throw insults, if so here's a little venyette that I think Dems and Liberals will enjoy.
I was cleaning a ladies carpet just today (Pastors wife, red state, the south) while the Bush speech was on. She remarked about how Bush and Cheney had misled everyone on Iraq. I quickly reprimanded her that " No maam, the people wanted to be misled. Any rational human being, knew full well that there was no threat from Iraq." "It was all about hate. They were programmed to hate, and Bush gave them two groups to hate, the Democrats and the Iraqis."
I probably shoudn't have been so direct, as she had hired me, but it just slipped out. She went upstairs until I finished. On my leaving, I noticed that she had red eyes, as if she might have been crying.
Just a little venyette of life in the religious, red state, south. However to those skilled in reading the Rossetta stones of life in a Republican stronghold, I knew right then that the tide had turned, the pendulum has started it's swing back the other way.
The Republican faithful have begun to do their Ponchus Pilot act of trying to wash their hands of the whole mess, but those stains on our flag, our history, our Constitution, our democracy, our beliefs in humanity, simply will not wash off the hands of those who were accomplices to the crimes.
Trainwasher of The South Carolina Regulators
March 20th, 2006 at 4:12 pm#47 - first of all "stuff happens" is not a defense to war crimes. no, we aren't there and aren't faced with what they're seeing every. single. day.
but, there are also lines of right and wrong. torture is wrong. period. killing innocent women and children is wrong. period.
and, sadly, our men and women are not being held accountable for their actions (especially the ones higher up on the food chain).
... and, one more thing ... it's ANECDOTAL evidence, not antidotal.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:13 pmThis type of thing is a product of a scared soldier. If is was in the middle of a unfriendly country, I would shoot first and ask questions later if heard gun shots as well.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:14 pmAfter reading the responses to my comment about Kerry, I really fear for dissent in this country. I make a comment to the contrary of something you post and you all immediately spout hatred and bile to me. My goodness, you people must learn how to deal with dissenting opinions. It is what our country was founded on. You can't win elections til you figure this out. Dissent is good in our country.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:14 pm#59 - Mary you are contradicting yourself. When people disagree with you, we are dissenting. You are not the only one who gets to dissent. You are right, dissent is good for our country.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:16 pmLOL really mary is dissent good? Then why are the republicans doing there best to squash any dissent?
March 20th, 2006 at 4:17 pmModerate Mary, if there's one thing Bush has taught us, it's that crushing dissent and winning elections are not mutually exclusive.
That said, you're complaining about being insulted on a blog, and turning a blind eye to real repression of dissent by this country's political leaders.
Get some priorities.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:17 pmwhat a sad troll we have here.
Karl's off is game today.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:19 pmOff topic, but look at the pictures of Bush on this thread and the previous pictured thread. What a pissy face. People asking him questions -- the nerve...
March 20th, 2006 at 4:20 pm# 59 -
Mary, we asked for an example of tactlessness from either Kerry or Carter. You provided neither. All you did provide was an inaccurate quote from Kerry that you disagreed with - but not one that was tactless.
You also said that the economy was good - we provided you with information that proved the opposite.
1) that is neither hatred, nor bile.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:20 pm2) what it is, however, is good, healthy debate.
59-62, it is the general reaction that I get in this blog. Almost as if you hate your opponents so much that you would hurt them physically. It is scary - I wish I could help you with my moderate views, but I can't. It is obvious that alot of your are very angry and I can't work with that.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:20 pmI really fear for dissent in this country.
Comment by Moderate Mary — March 20, 2006 @ 4:14 pm
That was my same thought when Ari Fleischer said "Americans need to watch what they say, watch what they do. This is not a time for remarks like that; there never is."
I make a comment to the contrary of something you post and you all immediately spout hatred and bile to me.
I didn't "spout hatred and bile" -I pointed out how mistaken you are... and how you mischaracterised Kerry's statement.
My goodness, you people must learn how to deal with dissenting opinions.
Maybe you should tell this to the Bush administration and its supporters -any criticism is treason and any dissent to support terror.
But I can agree, dissent is good...
March 20th, 2006 at 4:21 pmLike the Preznit puts in a lotta hours...........between naps and vacations.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:25 pmit is the general reaction that I get in this blog. Almost as if you hate your opponents so much that you would hurt them physically.
wow ... you never visit Little Green Footballs do you ... there, visions of "stomping" liberals is a daily occurrence ...
... we debate you with facts, and you feel oppressed??? that's just ... well ... pathetic.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:25 pmHey Guys, a few million jobs at thousands of new wal-marts don't count for much.
EARTH TO CONSERVATIVES: Take your heads out of your asses for God's sake.
The country is falling apart, the population is more divided than ever, race relations are going backwards, (remember Katrina?), we are killing innocent people in Iraq, Afghanistan AND SOON IRAN for the reasons we SHOULD be talking to North Korea.
Jobs in this country have been outsourced to the point of being rediculous and are being replaced with lower paying "service jobs". We all can't work at Wal-Mart, sorry...
Immigration is out of control; the "conservatives" in charge are spending the dollar out of existance and wasting tons of money every day.
Also the neo-cons are freaking insane: they WANT the rapture to come after they destroy the planet. Doesn't that strike any of you as particularly NUTS????
STOP listening to Rush, Hannity, Savage, Glen Beck, FOX NEWS and CNN.
Join the rest of us in reality for a change.
And yes I AM a liberal - that used to be a good thing. BTW - CHRIST was the ultimate liberal in case you forgot....
March 20th, 2006 at 4:26 pmIt is obvious that alot of your are very angry and I can’t work with that.
Comment by Moderate Mary
So by people providing proof and holding you to the facts we are angry??? Geeze! If you can't support your opinion, then you should expect people to call you on it.
Are the people here suppose to just let baseless comments go without any opposition?
March 20th, 2006 at 4:27 pmi'm stunned that the crowd's response of laughter. if anyone had any cajones they would have shouted, "no george!! you've sold the country out from under us and our jobs too!"
what a muppet
March 20th, 2006 at 4:30 pmLet this be a lesson: a man with limited intellect and inadequate life experiences may make a good drinking buddy; but not president of the United States. Bush is so totally un-American, so devoid of the qualities of the Founding Fathers (sharp wit, well-read, well-spoken, articulate, and brilliant). Bush is a disgrace.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:31 pmMary your views are not very moderate. My views are moderate, many of the posters here are moderate. Yes there are extremists from both sides who post here, but that is a minority. to answer your question, many of us are angry. Angry that people like you gave into your fear in a false paradigm created by the republicans, to elect a man who should never have taken the office of the president into power for a second term. We are angry at the loss of our country, at the needless deaths of US soldiers, at the shoulder crushing debt that is being piled onto our children and grandchildren. Angry that the ideals of our country are being destroyed, all to facilitate corporate greed? a vendetta against Sadaam? control of valuable middle east oil?
your damn right I am angry. our country is better then this. we fought a war to be independant, a war to keep this country united and to end the practice of slavery, Social battles have been fought to defend the weakest among us, to end segregation, and push forward a society that lives free, that values justice, and democracy. And within a few short years, we have slipped backward.
Do we really want to be allied with puppet dictatorships, and religious theocracries around the world?
March 20th, 2006 at 4:31 pmthe US has achieved so much, and we are destroying it out of fear and greed. If you think I am part of the loony left then fine, but you are not a moderate.
moderate mary -
very good - dissent is critical to the health of this country.
being informed of actual facts, not mere truthiness, is even more vital.
be careful of what propaganda you ingest and regurgitate.
maybe you should check out what people have actually said before you defame them publically.
ps-
March 20th, 2006 at 4:31 pmsay hi to the rest of the 101st Fighting Keyboards.
#59 Just trying to speak your language. Really, we are all fed up with your bull. You aren't moderate, no republican is any longer. You are out of message.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:31 pm#70 i'm sorry, but who cares what "christ" was.
the "christ" believers have done more damage to us than anything. forget about christ. move on. who are you trying to kid?
by the way immigration is NOT out of control. exportation of american jobs is what's out of control. stop blaming the victim. you can claim to be "liberal" all day long, but you certainly don't show it
March 20th, 2006 at 4:32 pmdon't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:34 pmUm, Moderate Mary....I am a Clevelander. Last year, my city had the dubious honor of being named the "poorest city in America" for its size/population category. Ohio's economy is in the dumper and people are fleeing elsewhere in search of work. This was NOT the case in the 90s when the city was in the midst of a comeback. Since "dear leader's" time I had my own hours cut back and my salary reduced.
Many elderly in our area have told me that they have not seen times like these since Hoover...yes, Hoover.
So, take your gated community, investor class view of the economy to Palisades or Scottsdale or some community who wants to believe the hype...and do NOT presume to speak for working people in the Rust Belt who have not seen a dime of this "trickle down" fairy tale.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:36 pmJust a thought,
Could Moderate Mary and Mighty Aphrodite be both the same persons?
Is that why she(s) been on a roll of talking nonsense.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:38 pmHere's a fine example of a ReichWingConservative that refuses to admit or acknowledge the horror the Bush administration inspires. This reminds me of someone blaming the victim in a rape case or in this case blaming those attempting to hold rapists accountable. Moderate Mary, you sir are a very sick individual.
John Kerry claimed American troops were terrorizing Iraqi women and children on Face the Nation earlier this year. I found that to be a very dumb thing to say.
Comment by Moderate Mary — March 20, 2006 @ 3:38 pm
Military Hides Cause of Women Soldiers' Deaths
By Marjorie Cohn
t r u t h o u t | Report
Monday 30 January 2006
"In a startling revelation, the former commander of Abu Ghraib prison testified that Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, former senior US military commander in Iraq, gave orders to cover up the cause of death for some female American soldiers serving in Iraq.
Last week, Col. Janis Karpinski told a panel of judges at the Commission of Inquiry for Crimes against Humanity Committed by the Bush Administration in New York that several women had died of dehydration because they refused to drink liquids late in the day. They were afraid of being assaulted or even raped by male soldiers if they had to use the women's latrine after dark."
"...But most shameful is Sanchez's cover-up of the dehydration deaths of women that occurred in Iraq. Sanchez is no stranger to outrageous military orders. He was heavily involved in the torture scandal that surfaced at Abu Ghraib. Sanchez approved the use of unmuzzled dogs and the insertion of prisoners head-first into sleeping bags after which they are tied with an electrical cord and their are mouths covered. At least one person died as the result of the sleeping bag technique. Karpinski charges that Sanchez attempted to hide the torture after the hideous photographs became public."
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/013006J.shtml
March 20th, 2006 at 4:38 pmHe should have given the finger to the audience...that's what he really wants to do...
March 20th, 2006 at 4:39 pmGosh, I wish you Liberals would stop whining. Jeez, if you don't have a job you can shine shoes for tips from one of the members of the top 2% who got most of the tax cuts (to stimulate the economy: see you get tips for shining the shoes of the super wealthy and then you can go buy lots of stuff, buy, buy, buy - on credit if you don't have any money. Then, when you can't pay off your bills, the new bankruptcy provisions will see that your creditors can attach your measely wages and assets. Oh happy day!)
Thank you Mr. Bush, need your shoes shined?
March 20th, 2006 at 4:39 pmGeez "Moderate Mary", I didn't read alot of "hatred and bile". Pointing out your obvious lack of any merit in your comments should be an eye opener to you. Oh, wait, I forgot, your tactic, much like your dear president's, is to attack the messenger(s) and not the message. Cynical Ex is right. Get some priorities, heck, get a CLUE!
March 20th, 2006 at 4:40 pmIt is extra funny coming from the President who has smashed records for amount of time spent on vacation.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:40 pmMore on the Pentagon's plans to further terrorise Iraqis into submission:
The shield which stopped a guerrilla victory in El Salvador was in reality a reign of terror.(...) It was a well-organised, dirty war in which the CIA was heavily involved. Horrendously mutilated corpses - sometimes decapitated - were left in full public view. Using fear, the policy succeeded in denying the rebels open civilian support.
'El Salvador Option' mooted for Iraq
Back on the topic of the thread. It has been long warned that the seemingly strong job creation during the Bush years is mainly concentrated in the lower-paying echelons:
"We're creating a lot more jobs but they are still largely lower-paying jobs," says Mark Zandi, chief economist at Economy.com. Zandi calls the difference between the higher-wage and lower-wage job creation pace significant.
"It means the jobs we are creating pack less of a punch for the economy," Zandi says. "With less income, there is less spending and less growth."
USAToday: Low-wage jobs rise at faster pace
• Job growth, too, appears to be recovering to health, but so far not strongly enough to cut the jobless rate much. A mixed picture.
• On incomes, the picture is more negative. Adjusted for inflation, wages have fallen back to where they were in November 2001. While Bush's tax cuts put rebate checks in millions of pockets, most of the benefit went to the rich.
Christian Science Monitor: Jobs, pay, and the score so far
That trend hasn't changed since the articles above were published. The Baltimore Chronicle published a a nice, concise analysis by Paul Roberts based on the government's own figures:
This is why the American public is unaware that higher paid jobs in export and import-competitive industries are being phased out along with engineering and other professional "knowledge jobs" and replaced with lower paid jobs in domestic services. The replacement of higher paid jobs with lower paid jobs is one reason for the decline in median household income over the past five years. It is not a large decline, but it is a decline.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:40 pmHow the Economic News is Spun
[...] From Think Progress: Bush To Cleveland: ‘Anybody Work Here In This Town?’ [...]
March 20th, 2006 at 4:46 pmI hope Keith Olbermann picked up on that quote.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:47 pmre: "Try focusing your message and you might actually win over mainstream voters like myself.
Comment by Moderate Mary — March 20, 2006 @ 3:43 pm
no interest here in 'winning over mainstream voters like yourself.' if knowledge, intellect, reason, logic and common sense can't convince you to join us, then we don't want you. good luck. and get lost.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:50 pmBush couldn't even pretend to be respectful to a Cleveland audience. His goons, Blackwell, Ney et al have probably let him know that Clevelanders as a group did not vote for him. Had he given his little speech in Cincy or Columbus he might have tried a bit harder to pretend to give a crap. The downstaters have swallowed his snakeoil in large numbers.
But then again, Bush cannot be let out of sight of his handlers and teleprompters. I have seen middle school debate teams think more quickly on their feet, present more cogent arguments and speak with more confidence and flair than Dim Son. This was the first thing that drove me crazy about him...back in the innocent days when I pegged him for just another corporate cabana boy. Now, the fact that he cannot speak the most basic English is about #999 down my list of beefs about him.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:50 pmThis is the first time posting here so please forgive any errors in format.
To anyone who thinks this statement is not an important (and not very funny) indictment of the Administration and the man himself, consider:
1) "people are poor because they are lazy."
2) "the Federal Trade Commission, and the Securities Exchange Commission were unnecessary hindrances to "free market competition."
3) Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal was "socialism."
4) Opposed to Social Security, Medicare, Environmental Protection, Public Schools, and Labor Unions
Harvard Business School- to instructor(s).
5) “You know I could run for governor but I’m basically a media creation. I’ve never done anything. I’ve worked for my dad. I worked in the oil business. But that’s not the kind of profile you have to have to get elected to public office.â€
To long time friend from Yale and business partner Roland Betts; then goes on to run as oil tycoon and Vietnam War fighter pilot.
6) “I hope I’m not here to have to deal with it.â€
On the 2000 election campaign trail responding to reports from Texas about uncertainties in the state budget and deficiencies in state services that took a backseat to Bush’s $1.7 billion tax cut.
7) "I don't understand how poor people think..."
Post 2000 election to the Reverend Jim Wallis, leader of Call to Renewal, a network of churches that fight poverty.
8) "You can fool some of the people all of the time and those are the ones you want to concentrate on."
Gridiron Club dinner
One can only guess that the remnants of his supporters are those that can get fooled all the time or, alternatively, continue to fool themselves. Oh... almost forgot- and/or paid or unpaid shills.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:52 pmNice job TP. Nice job.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:53 pmYou did not make a comment to the contrary. You spewed bile. You come in here pretending that you are mainstream. Get a grip. You are far from it.
We have to deal with being called traitors and unpatriotic everyday because our dissent. Walk a mile in our shoes then let us know about how dissent is scrutinized in this country. Until then, STFU.
You are nothing but a troll with no contrary arguement. You only came here to cause problems, not discuss the facts.
March 20th, 2006 at 4:53 pmModerate Mary:
You're brilliant. You are playing these liberals like a cheap violin. They don't see the irony in a Christian Conservative pretending to be IN FAVOR OF dissent! What a bunch of morans! Keep it up; you're doing so well.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:01 pm'does anybody work here?'....well, we see you don't. Lieing isn't work. The only one working is cheney, 5 years of using taxpayer money to fly around to 'republican fund raisers'.....
March 20th, 2006 at 5:02 pmIn the small town that I live in there are two manufacturers. One of them procides key component parts to a high selling piece of machinery. This place historically has revenues in the $100 million range and profits in the $20 million range. Historically they have offered overtime as much as their employees wanted it. For the last two years they have cut back on overtime because the orders are not there. They have a month here and there, but lately the orders are not enough to allow for the overtime. This place has historically sold it's self on the fact that line workers can earn much more than their base wages via overtime and productions bonuses, which have also dried up as production has dropped.
The results of this? Employees can't afford their homes and heating bills which has resulted in over 200 homes being for sale within the city limits of my community of 4,500. That's a lot of homes two or three per block. This has caused my home value to drop as there is no one available to buy these homes. Stores are selling less consumable goods and the big stores are selling less durable goods (read; cars & lawn mowers, power tools etc…) These lower sales have resulted in job loss as the retail vendors have to conserve costs and have fewer employees working. The situation has been a boon for my wife's aunt who runs the local human services office and food pantry, though the food pantry has been in crisis mode for a couple of years now.
Recently a friend of mine did an order for this company, this friend was going to get paid $1,600. Not much, but enough when you are running a small business. She went to pick up her payment and was told that she could not get paid until the company purchased some toner for their printers. In case you don't grasp the significance of this, then I will explain. A company renowned for its engineering prowess does not have toner available to print checks to pay bills. This place has 50 printers and they are out of toner. That should set off a red light when a previously very healthy company is out of a staple supply.
And it's not like this particular component can be produced anywhere else in the world as the patents for the piece are held by individuals who own the company and they will not sell them to anyone outside the community. So their customers are not getting the pieces elsewhere, they are just not getting them.
So don't tell me the economy is good and that most Americans recognize this.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:03 pmYou wait, Scott McClellan will say that he didn't say what he said. He was talking about a different Cleveland.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:03 pmBush on the side of the highway holding a sign: Will War For Food
March 20th, 2006 at 5:03 pm"So the answer, Mr. President, is that a lot of people in Cleveland don’t work because they can’t find jobs."
Cleveland is a beaten up rust belt city with too many Democrats and Negroes. Just like Detroit the unions and the social manipulators have destroyed it. Anyone with a brain bigger than a peanut left 20 years ago and took their companies with them.....to Texas.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:07 pm"Marines massacre Iraqi family"
http://www.rawstory.com/comments/12175.html
That's for Misinformation Mary...
March 20th, 2006 at 5:07 pmCheck out this video clip of him trying to answer an amazingly easy softball question, and completely fumbling it. God, what a load of crap -- and the way he smiles and laughs at all the wrong times...
March 20th, 2006 at 5:08 pmhttp://www.clipblast.com/blog/clips-to-watch-bush-says-support-the-troops-eventually-cbs-politics.htm
I don't know what a 'moran' is, but I suspect it has something to do with GWB.
I am currently unemployed for 6 months after having my job of 33 years shipped to Mexico. I have been criticized for questioning the Christianity of Bush. Personally, I think he invited me as a voter to judge his character by way of his Christianity. I found and still find him wanting. At least he is not what I believe a Christian to be!
One other comment---if you think this administration is anything but corrupt, you are probably anything but a moderate.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:08 pmFor "Misinformation Mary"...
"Marines massacre Iraqi family"
http://www.rawstory.com/comments/12175.html
March 20th, 2006 at 5:08 pmI'm gay, and I use to think I was moderate, so my friends called me "Moderate Mary." Now, I'm just a bitchy, crabby progressive.
Oh well.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:11 pmWho can forget this classic?:
"Those weapons of mass destruction have got to be somewhere. (Laughter and applause.)
(Laughter.)
Nope, no weapons over there. (Laughter and applause.) Maybe under here. (Laughter.) Oops, this photo wasn't supposed to be in here. This is the Skull and Bones secret signal. (Laughter.)
That's the president of the United States mocking Americans after lying about WMD.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:12 pm"Too many negroes"
That's the good stuff!
March 20th, 2006 at 5:13 pmIRI,
March 20th, 2006 at 5:17 pmIsn't there a nice pre teen neighborhood boy you should be raping at the moment?
The economy might be booming but it isn't for folks like myself that just got laid off from a good paying job as a supervisor at an American auto company that is doing all it can to take good jobs from here in America and taking them to any overseas country putting forth the lowest bid. Tell me, whose economic status has improved here?
March 20th, 2006 at 5:18 pmU.S. college graduates are facing the best job market since 2001, with business, computer, engineering, education and health care grads in highest demand, a report by an employment consulting firm showed on Monday.
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=domesticNews&storyid=2006-03-20T163503Z_01_N20258421_RTRUKOC_0_US-ECONOMY-JOBS.xml&rpc=22
Not much call for that in Cleveland or Detroit. Too bad the burger flipper jobs are already taken and the hip hop M/C spots are all filled because that just doesn't leave much left for all you Progressive Wunderkinds to do.
Hey I know...maybe Kerry, Clinton and Soros could use some by the hour protestors?
March 20th, 2006 at 5:18 pm#72 - Don't insult the muppets like that! What did they ever do to you? Muppets are smart, witty, engaging ... absolutely nothing like shrub.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:19 pmI-RIGHT-I is nothing but a camp turd burgling chutney ferret - I think you call them gays in the USA , he's very bitter cause he aint come out the closet yet
March 20th, 2006 at 5:21 pmJimBOB wonders if MM and MA are one in the same. (In a similar fashion I imagined RyANNe and RumPunch could be "Ego" and "AlterEgo"....)
March 20th, 2006 at 5:22 pm****Dear JimBOB - No, Moderate Mary is far more kind than I. She mentioned the lying John "medals/ribbons" Kerry and the politically impotent, Mr. Jimmeh. I mentioned the coarse, vulgar, crude womanizer LBJ.
Are you reptiles paid to post here in support of the Boy Flunky? Do you all also enjoy walking hand in hand with Saudi royalty and watching a Christian being beheaded for the crime of religious conversion with such friends of democracy? Is that just good old fun these days?
You all probably wish you were by the Boy Blunder’s side while he sat in that chair in the Florida elementary school after his chief of staff told him “America is under attackâ€. What an honor that would have been, he looked so stately and Presidential, just sitting there, and sitting there, and sitting there. That scene is why I never refer to this boy as an M-A-N. You see no real M-A-N would actually sit there like a lost and confused child waiting for daddy to tell him what to do. Who do you think daddy is?
Why do you think people hate this loser as much as they do? It can’t be his religion. The same folks love President Carter and he’s as Christian as they get, even taught Sunday almost every Sunday while he was President. Can you image Curious George teaching Sunday school? I don’t think he can talk about a single Bible verse with any real understanding. Can you image, “Moses, he had these stone tablets, there were 10 of them and they ah, ah, ah, well, there’s things God just don’t want you to do†(Insert awkward Bush chuckle here with a characteristic smirk finish). Maybe some of us liked that he wasn’t into nation building and has gone back on that one. Maybe we were looking forward to him restoring honor to the White House, and now we’re just pissed about the wiretapping, torturing, massive dept, the price of gas, the environment going into the toilet, the attitude that he can decide which laws he’s going to respect, you know all the little things.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:22 pma camp turd burgling chutney ferret -
Comment by We Say Tomato — March 20, 2006 @ 5:21 pm
How ever did that become a popular saying???? Doesn't exactly roll off the tongue...
March 20th, 2006 at 5:24 pm"She mentioned the lying John “medals/ribbons†Kerry"
Only someone related to W or Rove would buy into that lie!!
March 20th, 2006 at 5:25 pmThe economy might be booming but it isn’t for folks like myself that just got laid off from a good paying job as a supervisor at an American auto company that is doing all it can to take good jobs from here in America and taking them to any overseas country putting forth the lowest bid. Tell me, whose economic status has improved here?
Comment by SqueakyF
If you were really a supervisor you'd know why the plants are leaving this country. And you thought all those union dues would help you keep your job? Sorry to hear about your trouble though. It's time to move on and find another career. American car companies are screwed and they've done it in large part to themselves. Shopping work overseas is like bailing the sinking boat with a thimble. It doesn't matter how cheap your labor costs are if you can't build a car people are willing to buy.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:25 pm****Dear JimBOB - No, Moderate Mary is far more kind than I. She mentioned the lying John “medals/ribbons†Kerry and the politically impotent, Mr. Jimmeh. I mentioned the coarse, vulgar, crude womanizer LBJ.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — March 20, 2006 @ 5:22 pm
Don't forget coherent and types in grammatically correct English.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:26 pmThe job market may be good for recent grads because theycost less than experienced employees and the job market for college grads is different from that of the manufacturing types.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:26 pmAmerica to the White House: 'Anybody have a fucking clue in there?"
March 20th, 2006 at 5:27 pmmighty
March 20th, 2006 at 5:27 pmstooped to the bowel level of her imagined enemies long ago...
Back in your box, mighty. Papa wants some.
#47, Like your message but the word I think you were looking for is anecdotal, not antidotal. Not even sure antidotal is a word. Come on everybody. We're smart people. Let's not give the right wing nuts any ammo to come back at us reasonable people with. By the way, if Moderate Mary is moderate, I'm Angelina Jolie.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:27 pmIt doesn’t matter how cheap your labor costs are if you can’t build a car people are willing to buy.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — March 20, 2006 @ 5:25 pm
You mean YOU didn't buy American???
March 20th, 2006 at 5:28 pm#110 Yes, but that's a given.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:29 pmIn response to Post #70, about the Christipublicans thinking that "The Rapture" is about to happen after they wreck the country, I personally CAN'T WAIT for the Rapture to vacuum up all the humorless, uptight, bluenosed, busybody characters out there and take them away. And for the Christipublicans, here's a thought: maybe The Rapture already happened, and none of you were any good!
March 20th, 2006 at 5:29 pmYes, the economy is booming if you're willing to take a 40% reduction in salary as I had to do 2 years ago. To say that in Cleveland, which rebuilt itself under Clinton and now is becoming a ghost town again. No one can be that dumb! Well, proven wrong again. Whenever I see those old W 04 bumper stickers still on those Caddies I always think it should have been read as Woe 4 US.
Peace, back by popular demand!
March 20th, 2006 at 5:30 pmI-RIGHT-I is nothing but a camp turd burgling chutney ferret - I think you call them gays in the USA , he’s very bitter cause he aint come out the closet yet
Comment by We Say Tomato
That's funny coming from loser in a nation well known for buggery. Oh, by the way....most of the left wing fucktards like you on this site are rump rangers. They probably are taking offense at the term "turd burgling".
March 20th, 2006 at 5:30 pmThe job market may be good for recent grads because theycost less than experienced employees and the job market for college grads is different from that of the manufacturing types.
Comment by Mark — March 20, 2006 @ 5:26 pm
The last architecture firm I worked for in San Francisco started hiring boat loads of college students because that was even cheaper. Then they bragged about company profits... Well, duh...
March 20th, 2006 at 5:30 pmMA-
March 20th, 2006 at 5:32 pmCheney got out of going to Viet Nam 5 times because he had "other priorities."
Bush simply went AWOL.
Say that to the tens of thousands who were killed and maimed, and for what?
Bet they had some alternative priorities.
Please don't defend chickenhawks.
Back in your box, mighty. Papa wants some.
Comment by Bush is Watching You 24/7 — March 20, 2006 @ 5:27 pm
Please lay off the pedophile comments. They aren't funny - ever.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:32 pmAntidotal sounds like a pediatric chemical reaction/hatred of neocon photo op kisses.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:33 pmIRI, it is obvious that you do not like being here in America and hate most of the people in it. You can always leave you know. I really don't think this is the type of place for you - freedoms, poor people, various ethnicities, etc. It is all bad to you so go.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:34 pmmighty used to mention her husband rather frequently. Sorry, unbelievable.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:35 pmI have seen I-Wrong-I post here often. I-R-I is a pathetic troll...not even good at being a troll. I have often thought I-R-I might be a paid poster for the progressive side...What better advertisement? If the "other side' is as moronic, crude and pathetic as IRI, there is no better reason to shout it down.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:37 pmmighty used to mention her husband rather frequently. Sorry, unbelievable.
Comment by Bush is Watching You 24/7 — March 20, 2006 @ 5:35 pm
One of my students is a victim of incest. It's sad because she's so angry and violent. I can't stand to hear jokes about it. Thanks.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:38 pmYou mean YOU didn’t buy American???
Comment by unbelievable
Nope. Not this last time. My 5000+lb, gas guzzling, 4X4 crew cab pickemup with the optional "Easy Rider Rifle Rack" wears a Japanese label though it was built in the USA. No regrets so far at 10,000 miles.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:40 pmIRI, it is obvious that you do not like being here in America and hate most of the people in it. You can always leave you know. I really don’t think this is the type of place for you - freedoms, poor people, various ethnicities, etc. It is all bad to you so go.
Comment by progressive and proud
You think too highly of yourself. This country has very few people in it that think like you. It's people like you that I have a problem with. Real Americans regardless of their color get along just fine with me and I them. The fact that I won't date most of them is neither here nor there.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:42 pm#134 Whoah, why do you hate Amurka, Adolf?
March 20th, 2006 at 5:43 pmIf the “other side’ is as moronic, crude and pathetic as IRI, there is no better reason to shout it down.
Comment by loril
The last person that tried to shout me down got a fist in is mouth. That's how we handle fucktards down here. Manners are very important in the South, wait your turn to speak and for idiots like you, only speak when spoken to. Don't hold your breath for that last one.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:45 pmwears a Japanese label though it was built in the USA. No regrets so far at 10,000 miles.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — March 20, 2006 @ 5:40 pm
And probably an American flag bumper sticker...
March 20th, 2006 at 5:45 pmDear Mr./Ms Tomaaaato - Please don't expect realistic Americans to agree with anti-war, appeasement Brits. (We are grateful for the support of your citizens who realize what a deadly threat radical Islam is.) You appear to be the mediocre sort who are thrilled with second rate medicine and poor orthodontia.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:46 pmAn "Antidotal" is what you give an infant who has been kissed by a neocon politician.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:49 pmAnd probably an American flag bumper sticker…
Comment by unbelievable
No bumper stickers of any kind. The sniper rifle hanging in the back window says it all.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:49 pm[...] Elsewhere on the blog and on the web, readers and researchers and writers have recaptured the speech of the war cabal and the chicken hawks and the meek and cowed press. They deserve a read, they really do. Because even if you still want to believe in your heart of hearts that this war was the one we needed to wage, you have to ask yourself how many times we can be proven wrong and still be on “the right track”. [...]
March 20th, 2006 at 5:50 pmYou appear to be the mediocre sort who are thrilled with second rate medicine and poor orthodontia.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — March 20, 2006 @ 5:46 pm
I thought sweeping statements are crazy and absurd... Oh! Except when you do it - then it's to sperate left wing losers from their sanity ... No, wait that second part was IRI. But, no difference...
Why don't you go get a life?
March 20th, 2006 at 5:51 pm#137 Punching fucktards in the mouth? I know your momma didn't teach you those type of manners. Now speak when spoken to is more like it but with the logic of punching someone you don't agree with is just plain dumb. Your momma would be ashamed. tsk, tsk
March 20th, 2006 at 5:52 pmmighty
March 20th, 2006 at 5:52 pmslips so easily off the pedestal from which she imagines herself. Tsk...resorting to insult.
No bumper stickers of any kind. The sniper rifle hanging in the back window says it all.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — March 20, 2006 @ 5:49 pm
If you weren't so funny, I'd be scared... really scared...
March 20th, 2006 at 5:53 pmA Tundra weighs 2 1/2 tons? I didn't figure they were that heavy.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:55 pmIs I-RIGHT-I talking about being a homosexual again? For somebody that wants people to think he is a tough guy from Texas, he sure does talk about being gay a lot.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:55 pm#141 it says bell tower, University of Texas when you talk about it.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:55 pmBuenos Noches IRI...... fill up yer tank and head down south of the border, hear they got a new oil field opening up, and you'll be welcomed with yer big shiny rig...... how long do you think you can go without sleeping? I have feeling you'll wear out yer welcome soon enough wherever you end up.........
March 20th, 2006 at 5:56 pm#141 it says bell tower, University of Texas when you talk about it.
Comment by Mark — March 20, 2006 @ 5:55 pm
Good one!
March 20th, 2006 at 5:57 pmI-RIGHT-I,
If you are such a big shot who thinks we should all be scared of your sniper rifle comment, why don't you join the military and snipe some of those al Qaeda guys. You know service for your country and all. You know, like a real patriot.
Chicken. Bawk bawk bawk.
March 20th, 2006 at 5:57 pm"Anyone with a brain bigger than a peanut left 20 years ago and took their companies with them…..to Texas."
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — March 20, 2006 @ 5:07 pm
Like Ken Lay? Not really making your case there . . .
March 20th, 2006 at 5:59 pmI whine I,
wouldn't be allowed in the Army. It takes more than beer muscles and bullshit to make it. Besides I think he'd trip himself up on the whole "Don't ask Don't tell" policy.
March 20th, 2006 at 6:01 pmI know where IRI isn't with his rifle. Maybe he has state side duty.
March 20th, 2006 at 6:01 pmOr maybe he's a chickenhawk. Or maybe he has a mental handicap that renders him useless to the military(and you and me).
#138- "....And probably an American flag bumper sticker… Comment by unbelievable"
******What a question - those American Flag window and bumper stickers help us find our cars among the "alien" cars here in the Southwest. Of course, i doubt you would be so "tasteless" as to have an American Flag on your ....Subaru, Prius, bicycle.
Had to shake my head watching the 1000's (WHERE were you guys??) of anti-war morons. One idiot in San Francisco was carrying a sign "Yes to the United Nations - No to the United States" while others carried "Free Palestine"....neither sign surprised me...
March 20th, 2006 at 6:04 pmI am thinking IRI would not get into the military, because of mental instability, probably the same reason he didn't make it as a cop. I think he a scared little man to afriad to come out of the closet, and on disability somewhere, or in his mama's basement or something.
whatever it is "the boy aint right". as Hank Hill would say.
March 20th, 2006 at 6:05 pm"Or maybe he’s a chickenhawk. Or maybe he has a mental handicap that renders him useless to the military(and you and me)."
Comment by Bush is Watching You 24/7 — March 20, 2006 @ 6:01 pm
My guess would be a trust fund baby; it's why he constantly bitches about the estate tax.
March 20th, 2006 at 6:06 pm******What a question - those American Flag window and bumper stickers help us find our cars among the “alien†cars here in the Southwest. Of course, i doubt you would be so “tasteless†as to have an American Flag on your ….Subaru, Prius, bicycle.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — March 20, 2006 @ 6:04 pm
God, you're stupid. He drives a Japanese truck... get it?
I have no decals or stickers of any variety on my moped (just kidding, since I have to explain actual humor to you).. Don't want to be vandalized by the good Christians in the grocery store parking lot on Sunday after all...
March 20th, 2006 at 6:10 pmmighty
March 20th, 2006 at 6:11 pmthe
Pharisee.
Hated by all. What a shit hole life.
I think the mean tempature of hell is around 0 degrees celsius. I have finally found something I agree with IRI on. Domestic car companies have been producing shitty cars for year, and then wondering why they are not making money. Last time I checked, in capatilsm, if you make a lousy product, and someone else makes the same product but better then you are most likely going to go out of business.
March 20th, 2006 at 6:13 pmYou're a fine one to talk about work Mr. Sleep 9 hours a night, spend 9 months out of 5 years on vacation while the world goes to hell. Good God what a d*ck.
March 20th, 2006 at 6:16 pm#143 - "Why don’t you go get a life?"
March 20th, 2006 at 6:18 pmComment by unbelievable
*****My mission in life is to help "kindly, old-maid, atheist, school teachers" You didn't seem to notice that I did NOT include all Brits in my "sweeping" statement - only the mediocre ones.
unbelievble - We don't just put American flag stickers on American cars - oh....you thought THAT's what they were for???? Who knew??
March 20th, 2006 at 6:23 pmModerate Mary,
FYI, in this afternoon's news:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1107AP_Iraq_Fatal_Raid.html
March 20th, 2006 at 6:24 pmWonder if this makes the evening news?
Don't hold your breath, Cleveland.
Another brilliant utterance by our Disaster-in-Chief.
March 20th, 2006 at 6:27 pm*****My mission in life is to help “kindly, old-maid, atheist, school teachers†You didn’t seem to notice that I did NOT include all Brits in my “sweeping†statement - only the mediocre ones.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — March 20, 2006 @ 6:18 pm
I don't need your help.
And since I'm half your age, that hardly qualifies me as an old maid.
It's still a sweeping statement of all 'mediocre' Brits... The operative word being 'all'. Get that one yet?
March 20th, 2006 at 6:36 pmunbelievble - We don’t just put American flag stickers on American cars - oh….you thought THAT’s what they were for???? Who knew??
Comment by mighty aphrodite — March 20, 2006 @ 6:23 pm
No moron. But clearly you still didn't get my joke to IRI. Figures.
March 20th, 2006 at 6:37 pmI love it. Someone claims to be a moderate, but is so busting at the seams with Kool Aid that they can't see that an increase in unemployment, poverty nearly doubling, our military shooting children in the head is a BAD thing. Down is up, bad is good, stupid is smart, and you're a moderate.
March 20th, 2006 at 6:37 pmBush the Moronic
March 20th, 2006 at 6:46 pmtruly, anyone can be president. i think we've hit rock bottom with old white rich guys. i'd love to see someone else get a chance at bat.
here's to the good hope that bush leaves the american people a little more opened minded toward something different.
March 20th, 2006 at 6:52 pmSo, Moderate Mary, if Kerry made a statement about troops terrorizing Iraqi women and children, wouldn't the fact that there are currently 2 investigations of troops killing innocent women and children bear out Kerry's statement?
March 20th, 2006 at 6:55 pmSo, Moderate Mary, if Kerry made a statement about troops terrorizing Iraqi women and children, wouldn’t the fact that there are currently 2 investigations of troops killing innocent women and children bear out Kerry’s statement?
March 20th, 2006 at 7:02 pmModerate Mary is not part of the reality-based community. The fact that she has to name herself Moderate Mary indicates that she is allied with the same people that brought you other opposite-named trojan horses like No Child Left Behind, Clear Skies Initiative, Healthy Forests, and the Patriot Act.
Everyone knows the questions and answers at a Bush speaking event are staged lies anyway. It's why he feels so comfortable saying stupid shit.
March 20th, 2006 at 7:02 pmMighty Moron claims to be a full time working lawyer, and a wife and mother of 4, yet she posted today at:
12:59
1:31
2:22
2:46
3:04
3:18
3:23
Does anyone else wonder what kind of 'attorney' is so easily distracted from work, and who's billing her for her poor punctuation, bad spelling, child like grammatic constructs and witless efforts at bad humor?
And how many 'wives' know what channel their husbands watch sports on - sorry, but this boy troll is just too easy to spot as a fake personna. This is no adult, no woman, and no lawyer - but it is a retarded high school student who would benefit from parental software controls!
March 20th, 2006 at 7:04 pmBut this is exactly what so many people like about this guy - he's your average jokester. He just doesn't get the depth of so many situations that he's gotten us into. "what an idiot" is exactly right.
March 20th, 2006 at 7:10 pmspeakin of "buying American"
I remember back in 1999 when i bought my Honda Civic. I was so very proud of it. A dude at work was thinking of buying a car and I told him, "get a Honda Civic. they're excellent"
he said, "nah. I am going to buy American."
i said, really? well then you're not buying American. 80% of my Honda Civil was made in Liberty, Ohio.
Thanks Japan for creating jobs for Ohioans, since big business flag waving corporate America don't.
Oh and I was referring to George Bush as the muppet, not the people of Ohio; however, I still woudln't have laughed when George Bush made his snide remark. I would have shouted at him to do something about it.......not lauged complacently.
March 20th, 2006 at 7:13 pmHey Moderate Mary, you obviously don't respond well to facts, so how 'bout this.
March 20th, 2006 at 7:19 pmFUCK OFF AND DIE
re: "sniper rifle hanging in the back window says it all."
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — March 20, 2006 @ 5:49 pm
it certainly does. it says you're full of shit.
March 20th, 2006 at 7:28 pm3 more years ... G O D H E L P U S ! !
March 20th, 2006 at 7:40 pmThis is no adult, no woman, and no lawyer - but it is a retarded high school student who would benefit from parental software controls!
Comment by Ryan Neat — March 20, 2006 @ 7:04 pm
Let's see her reaction now (in terms of moderating her posts). Nice job Ryan.
Though, I watch ESPN during football season, so that might not be a sure sign of much. But posting every 30 minutes during 3.5 hours just in this forum certainly is a smoking gun on her career and on weekends, her family. Whew! Glad to know she doesn't have kids...
Though, IRI, I think she's the gender-disoriented man you were suggesting I might be the other day... so you might wanna stop flirting with her...
March 20th, 2006 at 7:41 pm"And since I’m half your age, that hardly qualifies me as an old maid."
******I APOLOGIZE - profusely!!!!!! You look MUCH older that 17!!!! To be THAT young and have graduated from college been an architect and unselfishly devoted yourself to helping young people!! WOW!!!! All of that - and in one sooo young!!???
March 20th, 2006 at 7:45 pmModerate Mary wrote: "I wish I could help you with my moderate views, but I can’t. It is obvious that alot of your are very angry and I can’t work with that."
Speaking as a Libertarian and someone with no great love of either the Democrats or the Republicans, I think it's fairly clear that you're a conservative by most standards of measure in American politics. There's nothing wrong with being a conservative. Own up to it.
For someone fairly outside the narrow spectrum, here's what it all looks like: Bush is as conservative as you get, although I'd bet he'd be a Marxist tomorrow if he thought it would keep him and his in power. Kerry and Clinton are pretty much moderates, and more conservative than they're made out to be. There hasn't been a respectable unabashed liberal in federal office since Wellstone died, and I for one miss his ability to wear it with pride.
There's two different ideas of "tact" being presented here. Yes, it lacks tact to joke to a wealthy crowd about no one there "having jobs" when there's high unemployment outside the door. (And are we back to the Reagan years with 6% being considered acceptable?) It is NOT tactless to speaking openly and honestly about ugly things. If more people were willing to answer irrational, emotional statements about the war with cold truth -- to look war supporters in the eye and say that yes, indeed, their children are overseas fighting for nothing but lies, we might be able to get somewhere.
Instead, the pro-war crowd depends on the bleeding hearts to have sympathy for the troops -- and I'll admit, I do, but no one's doing them any favors by pretending they're not doing anything but risking their lives for a waste of time.
March 20th, 2006 at 7:49 pmPhilip,
IRI puts the Chicken in Chickenhawk.
And the recent study just published in the "Journal of Research Into Personality" is the second such study in as many years that shows CONservatives are less adjusted and sane than liberals.
The study last 20 years, and found:
Anyone who reads the whiney comments by Mighty Moron (ironically projecting and accusing liberals of whining), or the insecure MizzWrong surely know this study to be truth.
These ChickenHawks always bluster to try to 'pretend' to be confident, but it's just an adult form of those same whiney and unpopular twits we all knew as children. They believe and hope that they're now powerful, but it's all as big of a lie as the Iraq war or Bush's military credentials.
March 20th, 2006 at 7:52 pm#178 - spoken like a true liberal.
What the hell are you so upset about? Is there something about Mary bothers you.
Agreed, she is probalby not a moderate, but who is on this site? This is a radical, left-wing site hell-bent on trashing our troops as murderers and smearing our President as a war criminal. How many more people are going to post about the allegations against marines?
You people should consider moving to Venezuala with Chavez. You seem to share the same views. Just make sure you don't criticize him, you'll be thrown in jail. That's what Republicans are fighting against!
March 20th, 2006 at 7:54 pmGive it up Mighty Moron, you've been busted more time than O'Leilly and Limpbutt. You're a failure at your job, a failure at your personna, a failure as an american, and even a failure as a human being.
And your little 'whiney' attitude still boils over from your childhood.
Wah, Wah, I'm Mighty Moron, and I hate liberals.
Wah, Wah, I'm Mighty Moron, and I pretend to be a lawyer but don't know crap about law.
Wah, Wah, I pretend to be a lawyer, but I'll post any old crap about any topic, and look like a fool while pretending not to notice.
Please, you're such a transparent child.
March 20th, 2006 at 7:55 pmDear Unbelievable - Thank you for your kind considerate concern for my family!!! I have been waiting for a verdict for two and half days!!!! And of course, those who report to a boss or managing partner must account for their time....I have full days scheduled the rest of the week - but it all depends on the verdict.
P. S. A serious "q" for you - was there an arrest and prosecution of the perp who assaulted your student?? Outcome?? Sentence?? Has this kid received professional counseling??
P.S.S You can keep flirting with I-R-I, he's no woman and he ain't gay - much to "other one's" consternation....
March 20th, 2006 at 7:59 pmIf the Shoe Fits...,
Hehe, so many lies, deceptions, false accusations and misrepresentation in so few words. You certainly have an economy of style when it comes to political smearing, propaganda and lies. Mighty Moron could take a few lessons from you.
But then again, your 'assumption' about who's 'moderate' is really amusing, considering that to a Nazi like yourself, everyone moderate must look like an extremist. It's called 'relativity', and it's as true among political extremists such as yourself, as it is in science.
And you're funny, but not because you intend on being so. So how whiney were you as a child - based on your post, you still haven't outgrown it.
And FYI, Venezuela's Rightwing Government was the one that received international criticism for its attack on journalists - you're mixing left and right again. Only this administration is criticizing Chavez because he dared to provide food, water, schools and medicine to the poor - and he forced american companies to pay back taxes. And THAT is what republicans are fighting against, protection from exploitation. You guys love being exploited and exploited others, just like the whiney dysfunctional childhoods you had.
March 20th, 2006 at 8:00 pmTHIS IS A SHAM POST!!!
I am watching this speach right now. I just saw the clip where he says does anyone work in this town.
The crowd did not Boo they laughed.
You have taken this clip out of context and lied about the crowds reaction. You only supplied 5 seconds of the clip which makes it sound like the crowd was upset. This is wrong!!!
I am very dissapointed with this post!!! There are plenty of reasons to drag bush through the mud without lieing. We should not stoop to the level of the republicans and just start making things up. We are better than that.
March 20th, 2006 at 8:04 pm"It is obvious that alot of your are very angry and I can’t work with that."
Hey, MM, talk to your RNC handler. We aren't responsible for your work conditions.
March 20th, 2006 at 8:06 pmUnbelievable - Be cautious - you and I disagree on many topics but watch out for "that other one". As my dear sweet mom said, "when you've got a few crazies out there tracking your time to a minute - it's a good thing to have concealed weapon permit." Gotta love that practical advice from Mom.
March 20th, 2006 at 8:11 pm#189 - "We should not stoop to the level of the republicans and just start making things up. We are better than that. "
Comment by G.W.SuperChrist
*****You are...some of the 'editors" here are not. Remember, this is about winning - it is not about "fair"
March 20th, 2006 at 8:13 pm[Deleted by admin.]
March 20th, 2006 at 8:14 pm"*****You are…some of the ‘editors†here are not. Remember, this is about winning - it is not about “fair†Comment by mighty aphrodite "
And now everyone has the rationalization for why republicans resort to criminal, vote stealing, lying, cheating, cronyism and hate speech. Because they prefer to 'win', than to be 'fair' to their fellow americans.
Musolini would be proud of you Mighty Hitlerette.
March 20th, 2006 at 8:15 pmG.W.SuperChrist,
TP doesn't state that the crowd booed. It doesn't even state that they were upset or shocked. It took the clip of Bush asking if anybody worked and than added some statistics.
March 20th, 2006 at 8:21 pmunbelievable,
Isn't it amusing, mighty moron thinks (s)he's the sane one!
Bahaha, now THAT'S unbelievable.
But so is the ability of these fascist checked out morons to ignore reality, day in and day out.
When you're raised to postpone gratification until 'heaven', I guess self destruction, and self hate, and a disregard for the state you leave the world in are a natural part of the landscape. What a twisted little idiot mighty moron and the minions of faithful whiney reichwing freaks are.
March 20th, 2006 at 8:22 pmSpudge,
Like all trolls, he manufactured his own reality to not have to live in the real world. Facts, and context are too disconcerting for these illusion based idiots. CHECKED OUT, is the best description.
March 20th, 2006 at 8:23 pmSee, the thing is Mary, you aren't banned from posting here. That's allowing dissent. To want people to agree with a complete whiny, bush ass kisser like yourself is demanding fealty like your alcoholic, spoiled, COMPLETE IDIOT, boy king. Have a nice day. You've won your last election for a while.
March 20th, 2006 at 8:25 pmYou have taken this clip out of context and lied about the crowds reaction. (...) We should not stoop to the level of the republicans and just start making things up. We are better than that.
Comment by G.W.SuperChrist — March 20, 2006 @ 8:04 pm
"taken the clip out of context"? That is one strange accusation, specially when you consider the topic of the thread is not the crowd's reaction, but the fact that Bush joked about Cleveland's unemployment -ignoring the fact that his own policies have made it worse.
ThinkProgress provided figures to contrast Bush's joke with the reality of unemployment in Cleveland and Ohio. Come to think of it, it's a little like his joke about those WMDs...
March 20th, 2006 at 8:28 pmRemember, this is about winning - it is not about “fair.
Comment by mighty aphrodite
Aprodite, thanks for reminding me about Republican ethics.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but when the Grand Old Party slandered one of their own (John McCain) in the 2000 S.C. primary? You remember: that McCain had an black daughter out of wedlock? And all the white hillbilly's in Carolina voted for junior and clinched the primary for him?
Silly girl. But I just love the ethics of it all.
March 20th, 2006 at 8:30 pmIf the Shoe Fits...stick it up your ass you little bitch. People are trashing the troops if they point out something they were ordered to do that is wrong and is not going to win the hearts and minds of the people we fucked during this war. But the liberals vote for healthcare for veterans and body armor because they hate them so much while you guys cut it because you love them. And I hate america because I don't walk around with a Bible stuck up my ass. Heard it all before buddy. Standard moron operating procedure. Up is down, black is white. The founding fathers would have thought you corrupt idiots. Great job on running the country douchebags.
March 20th, 2006 at 8:34 pm******I APOLOGIZE - profusely!!!!!! You look MUCH older that 17!!!! To be THAT young and have graduated from college been an architect and unselfishly devoted yourself to helping young people!! WOW!!!! All of that - and in one sooo young!!???
Comment by mighty aphrodite — March 20, 2006 @ 7:45 pm
No way you are 34... more like 104. Which makes me much, much less than half your age.
You have no idea what I look like. But for your information, as I said earlier, i don't need your help...
March 20th, 2006 at 8:39 pmSpudge Boy - You are right.
TP does not say that explicitly, but it implies it when it says that Bush is frustrated and then blurts out this line. Bush did not say it out of frustration. He was joking at the time.
Then TP supplies only the briefest clip making it impossible to tell that the crowd was actually laughing and not booing as one would expect after someone lashes out at them out of frustration. If they wanted to be completely forthcoming they would have provided a longer clip, which I am certain that they had the ability to do.
Also, if you want to be technical Bush never said that Saddam Hussein was directly involved in 911- He just implied it a thousand times or so. That was dishonest and so is this.
Once again – WE ARE BETTER THAN THIS!!!
March 20th, 2006 at 8:43 pmJoe - FOR ONCE you and I agree about something!!! Now don't go reading anymore into than JUST that!!! I hate half baked smears and I was in complete disagreement with the way South Carolina Repubs went after McCain. Kind of reminds me of what out of control lefties are throwing at Hillary - as much as I can't stand her. But speaking of black and white "ethics" - who are the Dems or progs going after Michael Steele's (Lt. Gov. of Maryland - running for the Senate) credit report???? I thought maybe you might know....but he's a black Repub ... so that's OK??
March 20th, 2006 at 8:43 pmAs my dear sweet mom said, “when you’ve got a few crazies out there tracking your time to a minute - it’s a good thing to have concealed weapon permit.†Gotta love that practical advice from Mom.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — March 20, 2006 @ 8:11 pm
My mother wasn't (and isn't) a paranoid schitzophreniac... She told me to be nice to people and then I wouldn't have to worry about people carrying concealed weaponry. Now I know why....
March 20th, 2006 at 8:44 pmunbelievable,
Lets add up the numbers.
34 years old.
14 year old child
19 when married?
And what was the claim 8 or 10 years of military service, college, lawschool, raising 4 children, and a practicing lawyer in california?
Bahaha, I'm sorry but (s)he's a moron if she thinks these numbers add up.
And she says she was a liberal and voted for years before she met her husband?
What the 'f'?
Sorry, but mighty moron is just another fabrication of a reichwing fascist mind - no more real than those WMDs.
March 20th, 2006 at 8:45 pmIsn’t it amusing, mighty moron thinks (s)he’s the sane one!
Comment by Ryan Neat — March 20, 2006 @ 8:22 pm
Sure, amusing is one word for it... ;)
March 20th, 2006 at 8:45 pm"But speaking of black and white “ethics†- who are the Dems or progs going after Michael Steele’s (Lt. Gov. of Maryland - running for the Senate) credit report???? I thought maybe you might know….but he’s a black Repub … so that’s OK?? MightyMoron Retarded Troll Extraordinaire"
And Mighty Moron once again proves she can't tell the difference between a 'complaint' and a 'smear', but in the mind of someone who prefers to 'win' over 'play fair', it's not surprise she'd be so unethical and dishonest. It seems to be the only consistent trait we can count on from republicans, dishonesty.
And as for dishonesty, is that the same Steele who was caught 'lying' about the oreos being thrown at him? And the same Steele who LIED about the state not using Diebold machines, only for an investigation prove that they were, and that he clearly knew it? Yeah, steele sounds about as 'honorable' and 'honest' as you. Heck what kind of moron tries to 'smear himself', to play the victim? And you guys claim liberal blacks play the victim, clearly the republicans have the victim card wired!
March 20th, 2006 at 8:49 pmGW Superchrist,
But Bush did more than imply that Saddam and al Qaeda were connected, he flat out said it.
This is from the "Bush Falsely Claims He Never Linked Hussein To September 11" thread, post number 58:
White House
June 14, 2004
President Discusses Economy, Iraq in Cabinet Meeting
There is no reading between the lines needed. That is a quote straight from the horses (ass) mouth.
March 20th, 2006 at 8:52 pmOh, and Mighty Moron,
The democrats 'let go' the two folks involved in the 'credit report' issue, whereas proven republican criminals like Rove who leaked intelligence reports remain.
That's the difference between democrats and republicans, you guys believe criminality is acceptable to 'win', and your sense of 'fairness', is all's fair in politics. You probably don't care when a republican screws up, I've certainly never heard you criticize them.
In fact, you blame the SC republicans for attacking McCain, but it's well established that Rove was behind those attacks. So why is it that you refuse to criticize Bush for yet another immoral and unethical act? Because he writes your paychecks?
And I made an error in my last post, it was Ehrlich (the governor) who was primarily responsible with the voting machine scandals - and not Steele. Although there is a strong indication that he may have been involved.
March 20th, 2006 at 8:55 pmSpudge,
Like all trolls, he manufactured his own reality to not have to live in the real world. Facts, and context are too disconcerting for these illusion based idiots. CHECKED OUT, is the best description.
Comment by Ryan Neat — March 20, 2006 @ 8:23 pm
taken the clip out of context� That is one strange accusation, specially when you consider the topic of the thread is not the crowd’s reaction, but the fact that Bush joked about Cleveland’s unemployment -ignoring the fact that his own policies have made it worse.
ThinkProgress provided figures to contrast Bush’s joke with the reality of unemployment in Cleveland and Ohio. Come to think of it, it’s a little like his joke about those WMDs…
Comment by Gregor Samsa — March 20, 2006 @ 8:28 pm
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Ryan – If you are referring to me, F_ _ _You!!! I’m no troll and I did not manufacture my own reality (See post 203 for my explanation). If this comment was not directed at me, than I apologize.
Gregor – I agree with your comments that the topic of the thread was not the crowd reaction and that the statistics on unemployment speak for themselves. I was simply making a point about the delivery (See post 203 for my explanation).
March 20th, 2006 at 8:57 pm"Ryan – If you are referring to me, F_ _ _You!!! GWSuperChrist"
No thanks, I prefer someone with a brain and basic reading comprehension.
Just because you're too retarded to read basic english, and make up crap that doesn't exist for propaganda - don't blame the rest of us for pointing out that you're a retard.
"I was simply making a point about the delivery (See post 203 for my explanation). GWSuperChrist"
For someone who criticizes others for their delivery, you're a chump. Your delivery was off topic, unrelated to the posting, your accusations were false, and your delivery of those accusations was pathetic.
Grow up, realize that Bush is out of touch with the realities of jobs in Ohio, and is probably too stupid to realize the damage he's done. That's the point of the related numbers, and your inability to realize this is why you're a nit wit.
March 20th, 2006 at 9:11 pmBut Bush did more than imply that Saddam and al Qaeda were connected, he flat out said it.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — March 20, 2006 @ 8:52 pm
Spudge - I never said he didn't say there was a . I said that he never said that he was "directly involved in 911."
Please don't misrepresent my comments. I’m not here to pick a fight. I simply made a comment on the delivery of this thread. Maybe I read too much into it, but I did not do so to be an A _ _ hole, but instead to remind us all that intellectually honesty is the best way.
March 20th, 2006 at 9:14 pm"Spudge - I never said he didn’t say there was a . I said that he never said that he was “directly involved in 911.â€GWSuperChrist"
I don't have to come out and say that I believe you mighted be a repressed homosexual, deviant or a pedophile in order to make everyone believe or entertain that you are do I?
The entire administration consistently stated there were 'ties' between Al Queda and Iraq, to the point that hat 41% of all voters, and 52% of Bush backers, believed that Saddam had ''helped plan and support the hijackers" who had attacked the country on 9/11.
Now how do you possibly believe this happened - did you drop pixie/fairy dust on these americans? Or maybe it was all of the white house propaganda ho's who went out and daily 'implied' that Saddam was responsible.
You can say a lot without divulging details, and everyone (and presumably even a retard like you) knows this.
Get a life loser!
March 20th, 2006 at 9:23 pm"Maybe I read too much into it, but I did not do so to be an A _ _ hole, but instead to remind us all that intellectually honesty is the best way. Comment by G.W.SuperChrist"
What would a troll know about intellectual honesty? You clearly don't know what these two words mean separately, and their combination surely eludes you.
March 20th, 2006 at 9:24 pmi don't think that bush was trying to be funny. i think he's a sadistic, heartless, fascist bastard who was just rubbing a little salt in the wound.
March 20th, 2006 at 9:28 pm#141 - IRI,
March 20th, 2006 at 9:33 pmMy god! iri has graduated from a 22 air riffle to real armament. With his eagle eye, I should invest in some duct tape or maybe even a broad barn door.
What a dick. He hold the American working class completely in contempt. So, if he'd attracted no one during the Q&A, that would've looked better for him?
March 20th, 2006 at 9:35 pm# 16 The economy is doing great - depending on who you have tell you that. The GDP, Moderate Mary ,has been for the last five years hovering @ about what 3.4, or 3.5 % annually? Take into consideration that since 2003 3.3% of GDP has been military expenditures. That leaves the free market GDP as what, .2 or .3%? Thank God we have a war to keep our economy sustainable. Also, you might want to take into consideration in our great economy that America is hovering right around 125th in the world in gross fixed investment - which means reinvesting profit in your manufacturing and future production infrastructure. That's not saying a whole lot when, in 2005 the country's current account balance was -$829,100,000,000 (149th in the world). You have to make money in order to reinvest money. Do you realize right now that the USA has only about $87 billion in gold and foreign exchange in reserves and $8.8 trillion worth of debt? So the unemployment rate went from 5.5% in 2000 to 5.2% in 2002. Hot damn. Maybe it was because that .3% of Americans went to Canada to work at Chase Morgan's new call center or Chevy's new engine plant. Tell China and Japan how great the economy is doing when they call their freakin markers in!
March 20th, 2006 at 9:39 pmI know you didn't.
Your original post was along the lines of "We don't need to stoop to their level." Which I agree 100%. I am a facts guy. I try to only use links to transcripts of Bush, etc. speeches on my own blog.
That is why my Bush quote comes striaght from the WhiteHouse.gov site.
It is best to hit them with their own words.
March 20th, 2006 at 9:54 pmI don’t have to come out and say that I believe you mighted be a repressed homosexual, deviant or a pedophile in order to make everyone believe or entertain that you are do I?
The entire administration consistently stated there were ‘ties’ between Al Queda and Iraq, to the point that hat 41% of all voters, and 52% of Bush backers, believed that Saddam had ‘’helped plan and support the hijackers†who had attacked the country on 9/11.
Now how do you possibly believe this happened - did you drop pixie/fairy dust on these americans? Or maybe it was all of the white house propaganda ho’s who went out and daily ‘implied’ that Saddam was responsible.
You can say a lot without divulging details, and everyone (and presumably even a retard like you) knows this.
Get a life loser!
Comment by Ryan Neat — March 20, 2006 @ 9:23 pm
What would a troll know about intellectual honesty? You clearly don’t know what these two words mean separately, and their combination surely eludes you.
Comment by Ryan Neat — March 20, 2006 @ 9:24 pm
Ryan – Do you need a nap?
Sounds like someone's too Sweepy to have a discussion like a big boy.
Because I disagree with you on one point – I am a Troll right?
You are no better than Bush and the Republican Fascists!!! If I don’t agree with you on every point than I’m an Idiot, a Repressed Homosexual, a Deviant or a Pedophile. That’s real liberal of you to call me a homosexual to insult me.
By the way – You corrected my correction of Spudge by repeating the same mistake as he. I never said that the entire administration did not consistently state there were ‘ties’ between Al Queda and Iraq – If you can read – and you must be able to since you called me illiterate on your last post - then you know that I said that he never said that Saddam was “directly involved in 911.†Get it right would you?
Also, when you ask how America became so misinformed, you make my original point exactly. You do not have to explicitly say something to create the impression that it is so.
March 20th, 2006 at 10:02 pmSpudge - Peace Brother.
March 20th, 2006 at 10:04 pmAnyone work? asks the executive with more vacation time thananyone.
March 20th, 2006 at 10:16 pmJesus, this guy would go to New Orleans and complain that they're "flooding" him with questions... he got so frustrated because open Q&A isn't his style... he must have been sweating bullets the entire time...
March 20th, 2006 at 10:28 pm[...] Read the piece and hear the tape here. [...]
March 20th, 2006 at 10:35 pm"I never said that the entire administration did not consistently state there were ‘ties’ between Al Queda and Iraq – If you can read – and you must be able to since you called me illiterate on your last post - then you know that I said that he never said that Saddam was “directly involved in 911.†Get it right would you? GWSuperChrist"
And you're wrong - as usual.
See GWSuperChrist,
Bush is claiming Iraq was involved in 9/11.
You're wrong - MORON!
Yet again.
And you also proved my point about how easy it is to SAY SOMETHING without using the words. You felt I'd accused you of being a homosexual, and you even thought I was considering that an insult - and yet I didn't accuse you of being gay, nor do I care if you are or aren't, nor would I consider that an insult - but apparently you do. Thanks for adding homophobe to the list of hate traits you possess.
And by the way RETARD, I'm much better than the Republicans, you are posting dissent on here aren't you - IDIOT? Try doing that on the free republic, and see how long you last. Correcting your moronic lies isn't intollerance or fascism - in fact it's an expression of FREE SPEECH. The fact you believe this to be fascism proves you ARE a fascist. MORON!
March 20th, 2006 at 11:07 pmModerate Mary,
Yes I would disembowel you if you stood near me. That is what I was taught to do with traitors, and anyone, ANYONE who stands up for this piece of crap Precedent is a traitor. There is no middle ground. Everything after the left is quicksand, run Mary, Run, you should only hope we accept Moderates like you espouse yourself to be, because we will be hanging the other Neocons when this crap is over. So go run back to Freeperville, and tell them that we are all nutzoid and shit, and I will say one thing. It is the crazy wackos who get to pull out your heart and show it to you before you die. But since you scumbags on the right have no more heart, I will be glad to rip out the vestige af the organ you call a heart and shove it up your ass before we hang you and your kind for TREASON.
THIS IS NOT A GAME, BUT THE RIGHT KEEPS THINKING IT IS POLITCS AS USUAL.
And BTW here is an extremelt relevant part of Carter's Mailaise Speech.
http://www.rightwingnews.com/speeches/carter.php
But you twits can't even fathom the import of these paragraphs.
"Energy will be the immediate test of our ability to unite this Nation, and it can also be the standard around which we rally. On the battlefield of energy we can win for our Nation a new confidence, and we can seize control again of our common destiny.
In little more than two decades we've gone from a position of energy independence to one in which almost half the oil we use comes from foreign countries, at prices that are going through the roof. Our excessive dependence on OPEC has already taken a tremendous tool on our economy and our people. This is the direct cause of the long lines which have made millions of you spend aggravating hours waiting for gasoline. It's a cause of the increased inflation and unemployment that we now face. This intolerable dependence on foreign oil threatens our economic independence and the very security of our Nation.
The energy crisis is real. It is worldwide. It is a clear and present danger to our Nation. These are facts and we simply must face them.
What I have to say to you now about energy is simple and vitally important.
Point one: I am tonight setting a clear goal for the energy policy of the United States. Beginning this moment, this Nation will never use more foreign oil than we did in 1977 -- never. From now on, every new addition to our demand for energy will be met from our own production and our own conservation. The generation-long growth in our dependence on foreign oil will be stopped dead in its tracks right now and then reversed as we move through the 1980's, for I am tonight setting the further goal of cutting our dependence on foreign oil by one-half by the end of the next decade -- a saving of over 4 1/2 million barrels of imported oil per day.
Point two: To ensure that we meet these targets, I will use my Presidential authority to set import quotas. I'm announcing tonight that for 1979 and 1980, I will forbid the entry into this country of one drop of foreign oil more than these goals allow. These quotas will ensure a reduction in imports even below the ambitious levels we set at the recent Tokyo summit.
Point three: To give us energy security, I am asking for the most massive peacetime commitment of funds and resources in our Nation's history to develop America's own alternative sources of fuel -- from coal, from oil shale, from plant products for gasohol, from unconventional gas, from the Sun.
I propose the creation of an energy security corporation to lead this effort to replace 2 1/2 million barrels of imported oil per day by 1990. The corporation will issue up to $5 billion in energy bonds, and I especially want them to be in small denominations so that average Americans can invest directly in America's energy security."
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March 21st, 2006 at 12:04 amSomeone please wake me up from this nightmare. Five and a half years are enough. Stop this thing. I want to get off.
March 21st, 2006 at 1:14 am#230 the August 30, 2005 pic actually looks like "My Pet Goat" the musical.
March 21st, 2006 at 2:01 amThink _progress_? How about think rant? The comments have zero pith. There should be digg-style moderation happening.
March 21st, 2006 at 2:09 amIn little more than two decades we’ve gone from a position of energy independence to one in which almost half the oil we use comes from foreign countries, at prices that are going through the roof. Our excessive dependence on OPEC has already taken a tremendous tool on our economy and our people.
Comment by Thomas Paine — March 20, 2006 @ 11:43 pm
The US does not import almost half of its oil -it imports above that mark, and the amount is growing, as projected by the Department of Energy.
According to the Department of Energy's Information Administration, as of 2004, the US was importing 58% of its oil, mainly from the Persian Gulf region and OPEC countries.
This percentage will only increase. Here is the link to the EIA's Annual Energy Outlook 2006 with Projections to 2030, that forecasts the total oil imports to be at or above 60% by 2030.
March 21st, 2006 at 2:18 amMore on Pres Bush's paltry record of job creation:
The mere fact that the projected job growth resulting from increased defense and other government spending exceeds the actual number of jobs projected to be added to the economy through 2006 clearly indicates that the tax cuts hardly seem plausible as the engine of the modest job growth in the economy since 2001.
Economic Policy Institute: Economic Snapshots
In plain words: The jobs created during Bush's watch are related to defence spending (e.g., Iraq) and not to his much-touted tax cuts.
March 21st, 2006 at 2:38 amWork? This coming from the guy who owns the record for most vacation days by any president in U.S. history.
March 21st, 2006 at 2:44 amI mentioned the coarse, vulgar, crude womanizer LBJ.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — March 20, 2006 @ 5:22 pm
Mighty Hypocrite,
March 21st, 2006 at 4:35 amSo now you're criticizing LBJ, who was president from Nov. 1963, to Jan. 1969. In some previous threads you have also criticized FDR and in yet others referred to yourself as a former liberal who "evolved" (actually degenerated) into a conservative. So which Democrat president did you support in your liberal past? Woodrow Wilson? Maybe that's why you seem to regard yourself as so venerable (actually venomous).
March 21st, 2006 at 4:48 amThe criminal always returns to the scene of the crime.
A friend of mine who lives in Cleveland said that there a Support the President rally in Cleveland yesterday. Guess how many people showed up?
Three.
I guess Bush would call that a mandate, too.
March 21st, 2006 at 6:44 amI'm surprised no one has picked up on the clip shown on Countdown where some twit in the audience started burbiling about whether or not the events in the world according to bush would lead to armagaedon and why or why not?That was really classic,and I hope it shows the radical extremist evangicals exactly which way the wind blows with this jerk.Of course he can always pick up on one of scooter's defenses,I forgot or there were too many distractions,or dick told me to do it.
March 21st, 2006 at 7:24 amThe use of armed forces against Iraq is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations or person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001. [Bush’s Letter to Congress, 3/21/03]
See GWSuperChrist,
Bush is claiming Iraq was involved in 9/11.
You’re wrong - MORON!
Yet again.
Comment by Ryan Neat — March 20, 2006 @ 11:07 pm
Ryan - You are an ANGRY LITTLE BOY!
If you were here in front of me - the only name you would call me would be SIR. I would see to that.
Anyway - a hollow argument is what I expect from someone that relies so heavily on name calling. If you can dissect a simple English sentence - you would see that once again you are wrong. The qualifier "including those nations" means that the terrorist organizations that he speaks of are not exclusively those involved in 911.
Yes - It is very deceptive, but it does not directly state that Saddam was directly involved in 911. Alberto and Rove made sure that they chose Bush's words wisely from the beginning - they knew all along that this connection was not there - they just didn't want us to know.
March 21st, 2006 at 7:27 am[...] Think Progress has the video of a question and answer period (staged, no doubt) where the Boy King starts getting annoyed with how long it is taking (because, you know, forming complete sentences takes a while): After getting frustrated at the length of the Q&A session of his speech in Cleveland today, Bush blurted out, “Anybody work here in this town?†[...]
March 21st, 2006 at 8:21 amNext thing you know, His Fraudulency will probably be pushing for what amounts to subsidised or mentored Amway/Quixtar distributorships among Cleveland's unemployed and unemployable.
All the while unaware of the Harsh Reality that such can only go so far in trying to empower the self out of "chronic hopelessness and helplessness" which the Zealots and True Believers of conservatism will blame on "chronic and habitual dependency" upon State welfare and Social Security.
Not to mention Amway/Quixtar being able only to support so many more distributorships before the pyramid collapseth, let alone the fact that the whole may be deliberately manipulate to favour only an "elect" when it comes to financial and socioeconomic independence spoken so glowingly about in the propaganda.
(Did I also mention the excesses of pseudoreligious zealotry and fanaticism likely ensuing out of Amway/Quixtar?)
March 21st, 2006 at 9:19 amHey #24. Just thought you should know - Carter never used the word "malaise" in the speech.
Though he never used the word -- Caddell had in his memo --
it became known as Carter's "malaise"
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/carter/peopleevents/e_malaise.html
March 21st, 2006 at 9:46 amI think the "moderate" in Moderate Mary must refer to her dosage, which obviously needs to be increased before she is let out in public.
March 21st, 2006 at 10:21 amThat's awesome!
March 21st, 2006 at 10:24 amBush never stops to amaze me, to stick his foot into his mouth. His comment was like when he replied to that woman who had 3 jobs and said it was uniquely american, now that is arrogance!
March 21st, 2006 at 10:28 am#239 - Lora, from the reading and research I have done, I think JFK was the best Democrat President. His foreign policies, tax and business policies, domestic policies, research policies, etc. were well reasoned and for the most part, well executed. (The Bay of Pigs and his personal morals were another matter.)
If you would do some research on your own re: the idiosyncracies of LBJ, you might understand my criticism of him.
Re: your "clever" personal attack - "if you're going to juggle knives, remember to grab the handle"
March 21st, 2006 at 10:35 amLots of anger going around here, today. That's fine, but it's awfully non productive. Constructive anger is directed at those who actually deserve it. Kind of like at this president for his tone deaf "joke".
This president, along with the rest of his neocon buddies, hate the "public" and everything that has to do with it. So for him to show such a lack of compassion and caring is not anything surprising. In fact, if there IS any surprise at it, I have to wonder where that person has been for the last 5 years. This "man" displays his disdain for the PEOPLE of this country every time he says or does anything. It's all about the class warfare that the neocons declared on this country after Watergate. It's their idea of the old "barefoot, pregnant and tied to the stove" ideal, but it's more like "downtrodden, poor, and tied to the grindstone".
Nothing surprising here, folks, just more of the same. Move on and save your energies for things that aren't just distractions...
March 21st, 2006 at 10:42 am#244 - GW Super Christ - I have finally realized who "that other one" reminds me of. If you ever watch the the old movie Dr. Zhivago, note the character Lara's husband. No dissent from the ranks is EVER allowed, and ANYONE who does so is subject to a vile barrage. Reminds me of something I heard a while ago,
"Resentment is the poison I drink to kill you..."
Gotta run!!
March 21st, 2006 at 10:42 amThey certainly work more than his GOP controlled house of representatives: 97. Number of days the House of Representatives is scheduled to be in session this year. USA Today notes that’s “fewer days than the Congress Harry Truman labeled as ‘do-nothing’ during his 1948 re-election campaign.â€
March 21st, 2006 at 11:20 am#254 They certainly work more than his GOP controlled house of representatives: 97. Number of days the House of Representatives is scheduled to be in session this year. USA Today notes that’s “fewer days than the Congress Harry Truman labeled as ‘do-nothing’ during his 1948 re-election campaign.â€
Well, look at it this way, if they aren't in office, then they at least can't do us as much damage... I would prefer that these guys did NOTHING as opposed to what they have already done.
March 21st, 2006 at 11:28 am#57 -- Spelling and grammar lessons for today: It's "humanitarian," not humaniterian. "Vignette," not venyette. "A lady's carpet," not a ladies carpet. "Pastor's wife" not Pastors wife. "no ma'am," not no maam. "Rosetta Stone," not Rossetta. "The pendulum had started its swing," not it's swing. "Pontius Pilate," not Ponchus Pilot (that one made me laugh out loud). I can't even get into all the punctuation mistakes. Personally I disregard the ponderings of the illiterate, and I include George W. Bush in that club.
March 21st, 2006 at 11:36 amC'mon Pilot, this isn't a classroom and there aren't any pop quizzes. We really don't rag on each other for something so trivial. Like we say in the legal field,
As long as the point is obvious, why would it be necessary to try to demean others? Not very progressive. And yes, I know that was a sentence fragment.
March 21st, 2006 at 11:46 amSpeaking of little boys...Here's what LittleBoyBush thinks of America
March 21st, 2006 at 1:10 pmThis is so totally great reading! Most of the commenters are witty and entertaining. I went to a chat room for the first time during the Bush-Gore campaign and made some comments as the democratic person that I am, and boy, did I get stomped on by the republican minded chatters! It was baaaaaaaaaad... So I think Moderate Mary is getting an easy time here, compared to my experience. Haven't chatted since, mostly because I don't have that kind of time. Thanks for the chuckles....I'm at work, so I can't laugh out loud, hysterically, or continuously...someone might get suspicious.
March 21st, 2006 at 1:30 pmHey America!
Look at the bright side of it. It can only get better in 2008.
March 21st, 2006 at 2:15 pmC'mon, now guys. Let's not be so hard on this pResident. You know it's hard - it's hard work!
"You try putting in 24 hours a week, 7 days a month working in Washington. It's not easy." Jon Stewart, The Daily Show
March 21st, 2006 at 2:38 pmand the village idiot keeps on being....
March 21st, 2006 at 2:51 pmAny body wonder if Bush wasn't part of 9/11.The way he is selling out the US one has to think.
March 21st, 2006 at 3:48 pmIf you would do some research on your own re: the idiosyncracies of LBJ, you might understand my criticism of him.
Re: your “clever†personal attack - “if you’re going to juggle knives, remember to grab the handleâ€
Comment by mighty aphrodite —
Mighty Hypocrite,
March 21st, 2006 at 5:57 pmI am well aware that LBJ could be crude, but he was hardly the point of this thread. (You trolls seem to love to change the topic.) Moreover, I don't find him any cruder than his fellow Texan Tom Delay or Dickhead Cheney, who, when being questioned about his Halliburton connections, told Senator Leahy on the floor of the Senate to "f--k off." Later on Faux News, the VP, instead of apologizing for the filthy language, said it had made him feel good.
I have no defense for womanizers, however I feel that is really a matter between the man and his spouse (if he has one). Also, I am sick of you trolls bringing up womanizing by Clinton, LBJ, etc., whiile ignoring the more recent news (last year) about Jeff Gannon/James Guckert, the gay hooker who, according to Secret Service records, was visiting the White House, even before he managed to get a press pass for Texas-based GOP website, which wasn't even recognized as a real media outfit by the Republican-controlled Congress.
Lora, don't forget the most notorious Republican womanizer. The man who can't stay faithful to any woman. For the third consecutive time, he has left his wife to live with his mistress. He is proudly pimped as a future presidential candidate by many conservatives. I am talking about Rudy Giuliani.
March 21st, 2006 at 6:04 pmGod please,make it stop!
March 21st, 2006 at 6:47 pm#266,
March 21st, 2006 at 7:00 pmThanks, Joe, for the reminder about Rudy Guiliani. However, I think he must tie with ex-GOP Majority Leader Newt Gingrich, who went off to live with mistresses at least three times, as well. Isn't Newt supposed to be eyeing the 2008 presidential race, as well?
But in actuality, I would prefer a womanizing president who does a good job in his post any day over the current dry alcoholic (and is he really "dry?" I have my doubts) bungler.
C’mon Pilot, this isn’t a classroom and there aren’t any pop quizzes. We really don’t rag on each other for something so trivial. Like we say in the legal field,
substance over form
As long as the point is obvious, why would it be necessary to try to demean others? Not very progressive. And yes, I know that was a sentence fragment.
Comment by progressive and proud
That's funny stuff PP. "Not very Progressive". You're right, Progressive is as Progressive does, half-assed, wrong and terminally stupid. That's why home schooled kids are the hope of our nation. Note: I'm not a fan of "English Nazis" because everybody makes mistakes but the fact is many of you losers are functionally illiterate. Progressives did that.
March 21st, 2006 at 8:15 pmBush in New Orleans during Katrina: "Hey, anybody thirsty around here?" lol
March 21st, 2006 at 8:30 pmAnd of course, Bush's frustrated outburst reveals his irritation at the failure of Cleveland's idle but unsettled residents to find jobs despite his best efforts--through tax cuts for the rich--to provide them with opportunities in lawn care, domestic services, and the like.
March 21st, 2006 at 8:58 pmDear Lora - I would think Repubs with no morals would be right up the progressive alley. While doing your assigned research on Dem presidents, take a moment or two and look up "progressive extraordinaire" Roger Baldwin. He and many other progs and socialists thought marriage was outmoded and "restricting". Ya think??
#270 - Mr. Koppenhoefer - Here's my tip for people who want a hand up rather than the progressive hand out. Stay in school, go to college or trade school and postponement of parenthood are wonderful cures for the broken backs of gardeners and maids. I realize it's asking alot - and requires self discipline and motivation, but....
March 22nd, 2006 at 1:15 am"Dear Lora - I would think Repubs with no morals would be right up the progressive alley. While doing your assigned research on Dem presidents, take a moment or two and look up “progressive extraordinaire†Roger Baldwin. He and many other progs and socialists thought marriage was outmoded and “restrictingâ€. Ya think?? Mighty Moron"
Well lets begin by saying that you 'don't think', you reproduce anecdotal misinformation. While you might consider 'progressives' as 'socialists', you're as out of phase with reality as McCarthy and the other NeoNazis of the 50s were.
Socialists believe in the removal of all private property - how many 'progressives' have ever advocated that stance on this blog? You by contrast post class war hate rhetoric against working class, secular and poor people just like a classic Nazi.
"#270 - Mr. Koppenhoefer - Here’s my tip for people who want a hand up rather than the progressive hand out. Stay in school, go to college or trade school and postponement of parenthood are wonderful cures for the broken backs of gardeners and maids. I realize it’s asking alot - and requires self discipline and motivation, but…. Comment by mighty aphrodite"
What do you say about all of those 'Halliburton' handouts. And you demostrate that 'staying in school' doesn't make someone smart - and in your case it appears to have made you dumber than a bag of rocks. You forgot to the add to that 'discipline', more important traits like critical thinking, compassion, cooperation, conflict resolution and interpersonal skills. You appear to be missing ALL of these critical traits - which explains why you're such a hateful moron.
And by the way to 'stay in school', or 'go to college', gets harder daily as you and the rest of the reichwing 'classists' cut education funding and assistance. Nice advice, too bad you and the rest of the reichwingers love to throw roadblocks in the way of those who wish to take that route. You may not believe in 'darwinism', but you certainly rely on 'social darwinism' in your politics - ironic isn't it?
March 22nd, 2006 at 2:32 amI would think Repubs with no morals would be right up the progressive alley.
Comment by Mighty Hypocrite
Mighty Hypocrite,
Yes, go on again blaming immoral Rethugs on progressives/liberals again, just as you tried to blame the felon, ex-Congressman Randy Cunningham you yourself once supported, on us. If I wanted to take up time and bandspace, I could equally quote several Rethugs lwho have made outrageous statements like former Presidential candidate Pat Buchanan who defended Hitler (something a person like you with a Jewish mother should find hard to defend and which I definitely find indefensible). What Roger Baldwin writes does not represent everyone who calls him/herself progressive/liberal. Unlike you so-called conservatives (and I find the record deficit set by Dumbya hard to deem "conservative"), we liberals/progressives neither walk nor think in lockstop; we embrace a range of views.
the fact is many of you losers are functionally illiterate. Progressives did that.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — March 21, 2006 @ 8:15 pm
I-WRONG-I,
March 22nd, 2006 at 3:42 amYes, there are some functional illiterates who post here, and you are among the worst of them. I neither have the time nor desire to go back and make a list of all the spelling/grammatical errors I have found in your postings, but to dig up one from memory: there was a recent rant of yours about all the "homo's (SIC) in Calif." and "all the homo's(SIC) in NY." Since you don't seem to know, an apostrophe (') is used for the possessive form. In other words, "homo's" should be followed by the possession of one homosexual, such as a "homo's coat" or that "homo's mother." If you want to rant about a mass of homosexuals, it should be "homos" plain with no apostrophe. I learned that much in public elementary school.
Incidentally, I still haven't seen any comments/explanations from you homophobic trolls about Jeff Gannon/James Guckert, the gay hooker, who, according to Secret Service records, was paying visits to the White House, even before he was hired to be a "reporter" for a now defunct Texas-based GOP website. It seems to me someone in the White House enjoys the company--and more--of your dreaded homos.
273, "I neither have the time nor desire to go back and make a list of all the spelling/grammatical errors I have found in your postings."
It is a losing battle. All trolls want is the attention. They don't know the difference between shouting and real argumentation (-> the popularity of Bill O'Reilly) and facts slide greasily off them because when the 'pigs /tried/ oh-so-hard to apply lipstick (to create the fabled lipsticked - pig) they missed their own pie-holes and liberally, hah, besmeared themselves with Sephora products.
March 22nd, 2006 at 11:12 amThe last person that tried to shout me down got a fist in is mouth. That’s how we handle fucktards down here. Manners are very important in the South, wait your turn to speak and for idiots like you, only speak when spoken to. Don’t hold your breath for that last one.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — March 20, 2006 @ 5:45 pm
I've seen and heard comments like the pathetic ones above. It's usually guys like him that never see the punch coming from someone bigger and tougher than they are. Most often they are laid out on the floor, unable to even make one more stupid comment. And to top it off, they don't learn from their encounters, and continue to put down people until laid flush by the next blow. Betcha IRI has been down on the floor lots of times......
March 22nd, 2006 at 5:53 pm#273 - "Incidentally, I still haven’t seen any comments/explanations from you homophobic trolls about Jeff Gannon/James Guckert" - lunacy by Lora
March 23rd, 2006 at 8:47 pm****Here's a comment - I don't care about who's doing what to and with whom - Just don't lie about it under oath - You are familiar with labour law and sexual harassment suits, I trust??
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