Comments on: Bush Insists ‘I Didn’t Want War,’ Overwhelming Evidence Suggests Otherwise http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/21/made-up-his-mind/ Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:18:06 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Ahmed http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/21/made-up-his-mind/comment-page-5/#comment-1782225 Ahmed Sat, 17 Feb 2007 22:02:51 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/21/made-up-his-mind/#comment-1782225 This lie is just the tip of an iceberg. This lie is just the tip of an iceberg.

]]> By: christinebarry.com - The only blog focusing on the people & politics of Shiawassee County, Michigan » My Fence Is In Iraq http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/21/made-up-his-mind/comment-page-5/#comment-729325 christinebarry.com - The only blog focusing on the people & politics of Shiawassee County, Michigan » My Fence Is In Iraq Tue, 15 Aug 2006 12:15:57 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/21/made-up-his-mind/#comment-729325 [...] All I want to do is build a fence.  But George Bush wanted to be a “war President”.  [...] [...] All I want to do is build a fence.  But George Bush wanted to be a “war President”.  [...]

]]> By: The Long Goodbye » Blog Archive » The wisest thing you have done was to surround yourself with this mercenary body http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/21/made-up-his-mind/comment-page-5/#comment-571352 The Long Goodbye » Blog Archive » The wisest thing you have done was to surround yourself with this mercenary body Wed, 24 May 2006 06:14:04 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/21/made-up-his-mind/#comment-571352 [...] Sure the Bushies would have liked to have had some real evidence, but evidence didn’t really matter, British Memo — Bush, Blair Agreed to Invade In Late Jan. 2003: A memo of a two-hour meeting between [Bush and Blair] at the White House on January 31 2003 - nearly two months before the invasion - reveals that Mr Bush made it clear the US intended to invade whether or not there was a second UN resolution and even if UN inspectors found no evidence of a banned Iraqi weapons programme. [Guardian, 2/3/06] [...] [...] Sure the Bushies would have liked to have had some real evidence, but evidence didn’t really matter, British Memo — Bush, Blair Agreed to Invade In Late Jan. 2003: A memo of a two-hour meeting between [Bush and Blair] at the White House on January 31 2003 – nearly two months before the invasion – reveals that Mr Bush made it clear the US intended to invade whether or not there was a second UN resolution and even if UN inspectors found no evidence of a banned Iraqi weapons programme. [Guardian, 2/3/06] [...]

]]> By: Think Progress » FACT CHECK: Rove Deputy Peddling False Claims About Pre-War Iraq Intelligence http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/21/made-up-his-mind/comment-page-5/#comment-570053 Think Progress » FACT CHECK: Rove Deputy Peddling False Claims About Pre-War Iraq Intelligence Tue, 23 May 2006 17:28:49 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/21/made-up-his-mind/#comment-570053 [...] 1) To rebut the “myth” that “The president misled Americans to convince them to go to war,” Wehner claims, “Important assumptions turned out wrong; but mistakenly relying on faulty intelligence is a world apart from lying about it.” FACT: Administration Created Stovepipes To Feed Politicized Intelligence. In his nomination hearing last week, Gen. Michael Hayden admitted that he “wasn’t comfortable” with the administration’s approach to Iraq intelligence. Hayden’s comments reveal that intelligence experts like himself were sidelined in the run-up to the war while political leaders like Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, and Doug Feith set up intelligence stovepipes to “get the information they wanted directly to the top leadership.” FACT: Administration Had Its Sights Set on War Regardless of Intelligence. Despite Bush’s insistence that he didn’t want war, there is overwhelming evidence he made up his mind to go to war well before the intelligence community rendered its judgments. [...] [...] 1) To rebut the “myth” that “The president misled Americans to convince them to go to war,” Wehner claims, “Important assumptions turned out wrong; but mistakenly relying on faulty intelligence is a world apart from lying about it.” FACT: Administration Created Stovepipes To Feed Politicized Intelligence. In his nomination hearing last week, Gen. Michael Hayden admitted that he “wasn’t comfortable” with the administration’s approach to Iraq intelligence. Hayden’s comments reveal that intelligence experts like himself were sidelined in the run-up to the war while political leaders like Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, and Doug Feith set up intelligence stovepipes to “get the information they wanted directly to the top leadership.” FACT: Administration Had Its Sights Set on War Regardless of Intelligence. Despite Bush’s insistence that he didn’t want war, there is overwhelming evidence he made up his mind to go to war well before the intelligence community rendered its judgments. [...]

]]> By: The Long Goodbye » Blog Archive » Is all the Sea obedient to you? http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/21/made-up-his-mind/comment-page-5/#comment-509725 The Long Goodbye » Blog Archive » Is all the Sea obedient to you? Tue, 18 Apr 2006 07:04:42 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/21/made-up-his-mind/#comment-509725 [...] I’m surprised, but I’m not that some Bush supporters are still using the “UN” argument to justify invading Iraq. We know from various sources including three Bitish memos that the UN was just a prop in a play. It didn’t work out completely like Bush wanted it to since ultimately Iraq allowed inspectors in, but since Saddam didn’t shower the inspectors with roses and kisses Bush decided that Saddam wasn’t being cooperative enough and kicked them out. “A legal justification for invasion would be needed. Subject to law Officers advice, none currently exists.” [...] [...] I’m surprised, but I’m not that some Bush supporters are still using the “UN” argument to justify invading Iraq. We know from various sources including three Bitish memos that the UN was just a prop in a play. It didn’t work out completely like Bush wanted it to since ultimately Iraq allowed inspectors in, but since Saddam didn’t shower the inspectors with roses and kisses Bush decided that Saddam wasn’t being cooperative enough and kicked them out. “A legal justification for invasion would be needed. Subject to law Officers advice, none currently exists.” [...]

]]> By: Evan http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/21/made-up-his-mind/comment-page-5/#comment-488375 Evan Tue, 28 Mar 2006 19:35:16 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/21/made-up-his-mind/#comment-488375 "Leave him alone, he is just trying to wate space. Kind of like he does on a daily basis." - Jules, #76 Bwahahahah. Now, when will this logic carry into the current administration from the populace? “Leave him alone, he is just trying to wate space. Kind of like he does on a daily basis.” – Jules, #76

Bwahahahah. Now, when will this logic carry into the current administration from the populace?

]]> By: Catch 22 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/21/made-up-his-mind/comment-page-5/#comment-487208 Catch 22 Mon, 27 Mar 2006 15:57:32 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/21/made-up-his-mind/#comment-487208 Bush was talking about wanting to invade Iraq before he was elected: <a href="http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1028-01.htm" rel="nofollow">Two Years Before 9/11, Candidate Bush was Already Talking Privately About Attacking Iraq, According to His Former Ghost Writer</a> <blockquote>"He was thinking about invading Iraq in 1999," said author and journalist Mickey Herskowitz. "It was on his mind. He said to me: 'One of the keys to being seen as a great leader is to be seen as a commander-in-chief.' And he said, 'My father had all this political capital built up when he drove the Iraqis out of Kuwait and he wasted it.' He said, 'If I have a chance to invade·.if I had that much capital, I'm not going to waste it. I'm going to get everything passed that I want to get passed and I'm going to have a successful presidency." Herskowitz said that Bush expressed frustration at a lifetime as an underachiever in the shadow of an accomplished father. In aggressive military action, he saw the opportunity to emerge from his father's shadow. The moment, Herskowitz said, came in the wake of the September 11 attacks. "Suddenly, he's at 91 percent in the polls, and he'd barely crawled out of the bunker." </blockquote> Bush saw invading as a crucial element of partisan political success before he was elected. Bush was talking about wanting to invade Iraq before he was elected:

Two Years Before 9/11, Candidate Bush was Already Talking Privately About Attacking Iraq, According to His Former Ghost Writer

“He was thinking about invading Iraq in 1999,” said author and journalist Mickey Herskowitz. “It was on his mind. He said to me: ‘One of the keys to being seen as a great leader is to be seen as a commander-in-chief.’ And he said, ‘My father had all this political capital built up when he drove the Iraqis out of Kuwait and he wasted it.’ He said, ‘If I have a chance to invade·.if I had that much capital, I’m not going to waste it. I’m going to get everything passed that I want to get passed and I’m going to have a successful presidency.” Herskowitz said that Bush expressed frustration at a lifetime as an underachiever in the shadow of an accomplished father. In aggressive military action, he saw the opportunity to emerge from his father’s shadow. The moment, Herskowitz said, came in the wake of the September 11 attacks. “Suddenly, he’s at 91 percent in the polls, and he’d barely crawled out of the bunker.”

Bush saw invading as a crucial element of partisan political success before he was elected.

]]> By: I-RIGHT-I http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/21/made-up-his-mind/comment-page-5/#comment-486939 I-RIGHT-I Mon, 27 Mar 2006 00:04:41 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/21/made-up-his-mind/#comment-486939 Seriously, you need to read some current history. Churchill was a liberal by your definition. Comment by unbelievable I doubt very much Churchill was a liberal by anyone's definition but that was not the point. Churchill single handedly saved England from the Nazis while Chamberlain and his crew nearly SURRENDERED. That was my point in saying to the man he should be a Churchill. I have no problem with classical liberals anyway, it's new treasonous anti-American fuckweasels I love to hate. Seriously, you need to read some current history. Churchill was a liberal by your definition.

Comment by unbelievable

I doubt very much Churchill was a liberal by anyone’s definition but that was not the point. Churchill single handedly saved England from the Nazis while Chamberlain and his crew nearly SURRENDERED. That was my point in saying to the man he should be a Churchill. I have no problem with classical liberals anyway, it’s new treasonous anti-American fuckweasels I love to hate.

]]> By: unbelievable http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/21/made-up-his-mind/comment-page-5/#comment-486391 unbelievable Sun, 26 Mar 2006 03:01:46 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/21/made-up-his-mind/#comment-486391 <em> Be a Churchill not a Chamberlain. Comment by I-RIGHT-I — March 25, 2006 @ 10:48 am </em> Seriously, you need to read some current history. Churchill was a liberal by your definition. Don't bother to quote this: "If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain." It's not his... "There is no record of anyone hearing Churchill say this. Paul Addison of Edinburgh University makes this comment: "Surely Churchill can't have used the words attributed to him. He'd been a Conservative at 15 and a Liberal at 35!?" Here are some he did say: Battles are won by slaughter and maneuver. The greater the general, the more he contributes in maneuver, the less he demands in slaughter. A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. Courage is rightly esteemed the first of human qualities... because it is the quality which guarantees all others. However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results. I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals. Be a Churchill not a Chamberlain.

Comment by I-RIGHT-I — March 25, 2006 @ 10:48 am

Seriously, you need to read some current history. Churchill was a liberal by your definition. Don’t bother to quote this:
“If you’re not a liberal when you’re 25, you have no heart. If you’re not a conservative by the time you’re 35, you have no brain.” It’s not his… “There is no record of anyone hearing Churchill say this. Paul Addison of Edinburgh University makes this comment: “Surely Churchill can’t have used the words attributed to him. He’d been a Conservative at 15 and a Liberal at 35!?”

Here are some he did say:

Battles are won by slaughter and maneuver. The greater the general, the more he contributes in maneuver, the less he demands in slaughter.

A fanatic is one who can’t change his mind and won’t change the subject.

Courage is rightly esteemed the first of human qualities… because it is the quality which guarantees all others.

However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results.

I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.

]]> By: I-RIGHT-I http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/21/made-up-his-mind/comment-page-5/#comment-485991 I-RIGHT-I Sat, 25 Mar 2006 15:51:53 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/21/made-up-his-mind/#comment-485991 but to kill people, all you have to be is elected, or a friend of the President. Comment by Margie tyrrell ....or a left wing headchopper appeasing fucktard. The side you've chosen has presided over the deaths of over 60 million people in the last 100 years. More killed in all of the wars in recorded history combined. I bet you didn't know that is the legacy of the Filthy Left. but to kill people, all you have to be is
elected, or a friend of the President.

Comment by Margie tyrrell

….or a left wing headchopper appeasing fucktard. The side you’ve chosen has presided over the deaths of over 60 million people in the last 100 years. More killed in all of the wars in recorded history combined. I bet you didn’t know that is the legacy of the Filthy Left.

]]> By: I-RIGHT-I http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/21/made-up-his-mind/comment-page-5/#comment-485988 I-RIGHT-I Sat, 25 Mar 2006 15:48:12 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/21/made-up-his-mind/#comment-485988 I had three brothers in WW2, one at Omaha Beach and two in the Pacific theater. I served in the US Army. I do have some appreciation for the sacrifice made by our soldiers in Iraq. It is unfortunate they are dying for the “Bush Doctrine”. Comment by Nova16 Thank you for your service and your family's service to our country. I suggest you research other sides to the question of what we should or should not be doing in the Middle East. I can suggest Ralph Peters as a place to start. We are at war and it has nothing at all to do with one man's personal goals or entanglements. We are fighting for our lives just like we were in WWII. Be a Churchill not a Chamberlain. I had three brothers in WW2, one at Omaha Beach and two in the Pacific theater. I served in the US Army. I do have some appreciation for the sacrifice made by our soldiers in Iraq. It is unfortunate they are dying for the “Bush Doctrine”.

Comment by Nova16

Thank you for your service and your family’s service to our country. I suggest you research other sides to the question of what we should or should not be doing in the Middle East. I can suggest Ralph Peters as a place to start. We are at war and it has nothing at all to do with one man’s personal goals or entanglements. We are fighting for our lives just like we were in WWII. Be a Churchill not a Chamberlain.

]]> By: Tim http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/21/made-up-his-mind/comment-page-5/#comment-485705 Tim Sat, 25 Mar 2006 00:26:45 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/21/made-up-his-mind/#comment-485705 Has anyone checked out this 9/11 conspiracy theory film, Loose Change? Fascinating stuff. Part One: http://media.thetruthseeker.org/mirrors/question911.com/Loose%20Change%202E%201of3.wmv Part Two: http://media.thetruthseeker.org/mirrors/question911.com/Loose%20Change%202E%202of3.wmv Part Three: http://media.thetruthseeker.org/mirrors/question911.com/Loose%20Change%202E%203of3.wmv Has anyone checked out this 9/11 conspiracy theory film, Loose Change? Fascinating stuff.

Part One:
http://media.thetruthseeker.org/mirrors/question911.com/Loose%20Change%202E%201of3.wmv

Part Two:
http://media.thetruthseeker.org/mirrors/question911.com/Loose%20Change%202E%202of3.wmv

Part Three:
http://media.thetruthseeker.org/mirrors/question911.com/Loose%20Change%202E%203of3.wmv

]]> By: Margie tyrrell http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/21/made-up-his-mind/comment-page-5/#comment-483873 Margie tyrrell Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:18:09 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/21/made-up-his-mind/#comment-483873 some people kill birds for sport. some people kill deer for sport. still other people kill fish for sport. Dick cheney tries to kill his allies for sport. Bush tries to take down nations for sport. moral of the story? you need a license to kill birds, you need a license to kill deer, you need a license to kill fish, but to kill people, all you have to be is elected, or a friend of the President. some people kill birds for sport.
some people kill deer for sport.
still other people kill fish for sport.
Dick cheney tries to kill his allies for sport.
Bush tries to take down nations for sport.

moral of the story?
you need a license to kill birds,
you need a license to kill deer,
you need a license to kill fish,
but to kill people, all you have to be is
elected, or a friend of the President.

]]> By: Lora http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/21/made-up-his-mind/comment-page-5/#comment-483485 Lora Thu, 23 Mar 2006 01:41:23 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/21/made-up-his-mind/#comment-483485 Americans rule this rock and have since WWII. The Donks want it that way just as much as the Republicans. Comment by I-RIGHT-I — I-WRONG-I, This is a most interesting confession from you. So if you believe that "the Donks (liberals/progressives) want it that way just as much as the Republicans," why are you usually accusing us of being traitors, Al-Qaeda sympathizers, and whatever rubbish your angry mind can concoct? Americans rule this rock and have since WWII. The Donks want it that way just as much as the Republicans.

Comment by I-RIGHT-I —

I-WRONG-I,
This is a most interesting confession from you. So if you believe that “the Donks (liberals/progressives) want it that way just as much as the Republicans,” why are you usually accusing us of being traitors, Al-Qaeda sympathizers, and whatever rubbish your angry mind can concoct?

]]> By: Nova16 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/21/made-up-his-mind/comment-page-5/#comment-483363 Nova16 Wed, 22 Mar 2006 22:38:23 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/21/made-up-his-mind/#comment-483363 IRI: The Bush doctrine applies to those countries that are easily invaded, defeated and controlled. It does not apply to any country of military strength. This doctrine or what the hell you want to call it is the biggest boondoogle in the history of American foreign policy. Your translation of my analysis is not in line with the current majority of the American public who know that the war is a disaster to this country's foreign policy, domestic tranquillity and economic future. Whether the tribes and religious factions in Iraq arrive at a democracy is their business. My concern is for the number of dead and the number of deaths yet to occur, the squandering of our national treasury and the fact that the dolt in the white house and his corrupt congress has (3)more years of mischief to further their aims. There are justifiable wars. I had three brothers in WW2, one at Omaha Beach and two in the Pacific theater. I served in the US Army. I do have some appreciation for the sacrifice made by our soldiers in Iraq. It is unfortunate they are dying for the "Bush Doctrine". IRI: The Bush doctrine applies to those countries that are easily invaded, defeated and controlled. It does not apply to any country of military strength. This doctrine or what the hell you want to call it is the biggest boondoogle in the history of American foreign policy. Your translation of my analysis is not in line with the current majority of the American public who know that the war is a disaster to this country’s foreign policy, domestic tranquillity and economic future. Whether the tribes and religious factions in Iraq arrive at a democracy is their business. My concern is for the number of dead and the number of deaths yet to occur, the squandering of our national treasury and the fact that the dolt in the white house and his corrupt congress has (3)more years of mischief to further their aims. There are justifiable wars. I had three brothers in WW2, one at Omaha Beach and two in the Pacific theater. I served in the US Army. I do have some appreciation for the sacrifice made by our soldiers in Iraq. It is unfortunate they are dying for the “Bush Doctrine”.

]]> By: I-RIGHT-I http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/21/made-up-his-mind/comment-page-5/#comment-483316 I-RIGHT-I Wed, 22 Mar 2006 21:49:18 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/21/made-up-his-mind/#comment-483316 If people would simply look at the evidence for government complicity in 911, it would all be over - - it would blow Shrubby out of the water. See David Ray Griffin, “The 911 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions” as well as his first book, “The New Pearl Harbor.” It is all there in black and white. Let he who has ears, hear. Comment by Carol Fruitcake If people would simply look at the evidence for government complicity in 911, it would all be over – - it would blow Shrubby out of the water. See David Ray Griffin, “The 911 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions” as well as his first book, “The New Pearl Harbor.” It is all there in black and white. Let he who has ears, hear.

Comment by Carol

Fruitcake

]]> By: TerrytheTurtle http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/21/made-up-his-mind/comment-page-5/#comment-483290 TerrytheTurtle Wed, 22 Mar 2006 21:30:44 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/21/made-up-his-mind/#comment-483290 I have a hard time spotting the difference between an American presidential election and American Idol, Glenn - although I think you could use Simon Cowell to sort out the crap. I have a hard time spotting the difference between an American presidential election and American Idol, Glenn – although I think you could use Simon Cowell to sort out the crap.

]]> By: Judith http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/21/made-up-his-mind/comment-page-5/#comment-483196 Judith Wed, 22 Mar 2006 20:33:50 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/21/made-up-his-mind/#comment-483196 Was #5 written by Dick Cheney? If that fellow was serious, then he ought to go back to school to learn to read various pieces such as the Downing Street memos. I forget, he has already been told that. What WE must do is to put vast amounts of pressure on our Democratic Party to start acting like jackasses do, and that is to work like crazy and to kick the daylights out of anyone with ideas that do not reflect democracy. Was #5 written by Dick Cheney? If that fellow was serious, then he ought to go back to school to learn to read various pieces such as the Downing Street memos. I forget, he has already been told that. What WE must do is to put vast amounts of pressure on our Democratic Party to start acting like jackasses do, and that is to work like crazy and to kick the daylights out of anyone with ideas that do not reflect democracy.

]]> By: Glenn Becker http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/21/made-up-his-mind/comment-page-5/#comment-483117 Glenn Becker Wed, 22 Mar 2006 19:45:04 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/21/made-up-his-mind/#comment-483117 Carol, "If people would simply look," they would miss something on /American Idol/. Sad but true. Carol,

“If people would simply look,” they would miss something on /American Idol/.

Sad but true.

]]> By: Carol http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/21/made-up-his-mind/comment-page-5/#comment-483044 Carol Wed, 22 Mar 2006 18:59:49 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/21/made-up-his-mind/#comment-483044 If people would simply look at the evidence for government complicity in 911, it would all be over - - it would blow Shrubby out of the water. See David Ray Griffin, "The 911 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions" as well as his first book, "The New Pearl Harbor." It is all there in black and white. Let he who has ears, hear. If people would simply look at the evidence for government complicity in 911, it would all be over – - it would blow Shrubby out of the water. See David Ray Griffin, “The 911 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions” as well as his first book, “The New Pearl Harbor.” It is all there in black and white. Let he who has ears, hear.

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