Bush: U.S. Troops Will Remain In Iraq Through The End Of My Presidency
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Bush: U.S. Troops Will Remain In Iraq Through The End Of My Presidency
At this morning’s press conference, President Bush said that U.S. troops would remain in Iraq through the end of his presidency. According to Bush, the question of whether U.S. troops will ever leave Iraq will be one for “future presidents.” Watch it:
Transcript:
REPORTER: Will there come a day, and I’m not asking you when — I’m not asking for a timetable — will there come a day when there will be no more American forces in Iraq?
BUSH: That, of course, is an objective, and that will be decided by future presidents and future governments of Iraq.
UPDATE: The AP has picked up the story.
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Shorter Bush: “other people can clean up my mess”
gah.
March 21st, 2006 at 11:19 amAmerica–fasten your seatbelts for 3 more years of deaths and woundings courtesy of George W. Bush.
-GSD
By the way, Laura Ingraham is looking not so womanly as of late. Must be rankling the wingers, she looks like K.D. Lang now.
March 21st, 2006 at 11:21 amYet another reason to end his presidency early through impeachment!
March 21st, 2006 at 11:21 amlet’s shorthen his prsidency and impeach.
March 21st, 2006 at 11:22 amNaturally, since when has this President ever cleaned up his own mess? He’ll leave Iraq for the next President to deal with along with the busted economy, the record number of people living in poverty, and the environmental mess he’s created.
This guys a slacker from way back.
March 21st, 2006 at 11:22 amI watched part of this news conference this morning. He was incredibly aggressive with his words and body language. He disrespected Helen Thomas big time, but she can take it, and I just laughed. She knew when she asked her question she wasn’t going to get anything but a squirming, pissed off Georgie, and squirm he did. It was great.
March 21st, 2006 at 11:23 amSo much for the prediction that the “war” will last:
“Feb. 7, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, to U.S. troops in Aviano, Italy: “It is unknowable how long that conflict will last. It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months.”
March 21st, 2006 at 11:24 amArbusto Reloaded
March 21st, 2006 at 11:24 am#2 – Laura Ingraham has breast cancer – making fun of cancer patients is beneath contempt
March 21st, 2006 at 11:24 amThis just in from Captain Obvious:
Who else were those permanent military bases for?
March 21st, 2006 at 11:26 am“i will continue to make mistakes and not listen to the more intelligamagent.”
March 21st, 2006 at 11:26 amWords are cheap. Especially Bush’s words. They mean nothing, and it’s too bad but he is stuck with the President he is, and so are we.
March 21st, 2006 at 11:28 am[Comment deleted by admin.]
March 21st, 2006 at 11:29 amI am simply speechless.
March 21st, 2006 at 11:29 am#10–anyone who thought we’d be building an Olympic-size swimming pool (see msnbc) for a bunch of olive-colored people have better drugs than I do. This is our new Gitmo, our new post WWII Germany, our new home for tens of thousands of troops forever.
I’m just stunned he was so candid about our length of stay. Let’s sit back and see if any of the news media even pick up on this…
March 21st, 2006 at 11:30 am#13 – classy. very classy.
March 21st, 2006 at 11:30 amMission Accomplished
March 21st, 2006 at 11:31 amWhen one of our children die for a lie, what do you get? A flag at the funeral.
What good is a flag in exchange for the life of a family member?
Is blood the price We The People get to pay for Halliburton, Bechtel, Kellogg Brown & Root’s glorious financial statements on Wall Street?
March 21st, 2006 at 11:32 amLook at the text banner under Bush: “Bill Lester the first black driver to compete in NASCAR”. A quiet & subliminal PR campaing showing how good are things for everybody under Bush…
March 21st, 2006 at 11:32 am13- There is a bit of irony in that, although I wouldn’t wish upon anyone, even someone as shrew-like as Ingraham.
March 21st, 2006 at 11:33 am[...] But the good news? Bush has no plans to withdraw troops durring his Presidency. That’s better left up to “some other President.” Its becoming harder and harder to think optomistically about the government for the next 2-3 years. [...]
March 21st, 2006 at 11:34 am#13 – That’s uncalled for.
March 21st, 2006 at 11:35 amSeen at a peace rally and march over last weekend: ITMFA! [Impeach The Mother F***ing A**hole!]
From now on it’s ITMFA!
March 21st, 2006 at 11:36 amHey lets be optomists. Maybe Dumbya is suggesting that he does not plan on being president much longer. That would be consistent with his track record too.
March 21st, 2006 at 11:37 am“It’s my war! Mine, mine, mine, and you can’t take from me. Congress? Try and cut funding, heh heh. I’ll call ever’ one a ya cowards and traitors, just like that feller who got hisself blown up in Vietnam, heh heh.”
March 21st, 2006 at 11:38 amI need to start believing my ears. I heard him say that and thought…”I didn’t just hear him say what I thought I said, did I?”
March 21st, 2006 at 11:43 ammmmm … sultry,
Sorry, you’re wrong here. Laura Ingraham deserves everything she gets cancer-wise.
March 21st, 2006 at 11:44 amThe Dems in Congress need to do more to move impeachment hearings along.
March 21st, 2006 at 11:44 amJon Stewart said it best recently: ‘They work 24 hours a week, 7 days
a month…’
“#2 – Laura Ingraham has breast cancer – making fun of cancer patients is beneath contempt ”
Making fun of Laura Ingraham’s breast cancer is certainly appropriate. Maybe you don’t know just how hateful, dishonest and bitter a person Laura Ingraham is, but I do. Every bit of pain she experiences is pure justice.
March 21st, 2006 at 11:45 amIt is possible he was referring to future Presidents OF Iraq.
March 21st, 2006 at 11:46 amIs it me or does Bush always look confused? Is that what ignorance looks like?
March 21st, 2006 at 11:47 am[...] – Source [...]
March 21st, 2006 at 11:48 amyesssssss!
March 21st, 2006 at 11:48 amerm…cancer is not a ‘punishment’ for those who ‘deserve’ it. Will you say that your [insert close female relative/friend] ‘deserves’ cancer if it strikes her?
March 21st, 2006 at 11:50 amOf course he doesn’t WANT to leave. The whole point of invading Iraq was to replace the bases we lost next door in Iran when the Shah was toppled in 1979.
But just as Russian subs now dock at the lovely state-of-the-art facilities we built in Cam Ranh Bay, Muqtada al-Sadr will enjoy his daily espresso from the machines he’ll confiscate from the Starbucks we’ve set up in the “super-bases”.
March 21st, 2006 at 11:50 am#25…. putting the humor aside, bush has to keep the “war” going. How can he justify spenidng $zillions of dollars on nothing. Withdrawing would be an admission of failure. While the entire sane world knows this “war” has nothing to do with terrorism, bush/cheney have made the “war” their primary political strategy for keeping Americans safe. Additionally, once the “war” ends, investigations of how the $zillions of dollars were spent are bound to take place. bush/cheney need to be clear of the political heat before that happens.
March 21st, 2006 at 11:51 amTechnically, I guess Chimpy means that troops will be staying almost to the end of January, 2009. Unless he’s expecting to be impeached this time next year? Which would mean the troops could home then, unless Deadeye puts down the whiskey and stops shooting people in the face… Or something.
March 21st, 2006 at 11:52 amW says, in his own words essentially, that he is determined to stay in Irag until he is removed from office. His incompetence means he is not capable of recognizing other’s incompetence. Therefore, we must impeach him to get rid of his corrupt administration and bring our troops home to protect them from harms-way. We cannot trust him to know what is that right actions to take.
March 21st, 2006 at 11:54 amAnother fine example of George in action. He can’t finish anything he has started. George Bush hasn’t a clue as to when his presidency will end. It could be anytime. One thing is for certain: It will end. The sooner, the better.
Somebody please console the poor man. He must be feeling alone these days. All of that power to wield, and yet, none at all. Must be a helpless, empty feeling.
Helen Thomas is disconcerting and unostentatious. I’d fear her too. George obviously does.
End the war in Iraq.
March 21st, 2006 at 11:56 am#27 and 29 –
you obviously have never seen anyone die of cancer. and I hope you never do. I have, however, and wouldn’t wish that fate on … well … even W.
it’s one thing to despise what someone says (Ann Coulter, KellyAnn Fitzpatrick, Laura Ingraham) – but to wish cancer upon them for their what they say/write … that turns my stomach.
March 21st, 2006 at 11:57 amthere is a plus to GWB’s statements. All of those college republicans will have time to finish up their studies, and join the army to fight in Iraq now.
Please refer to
March 21st, 2006 at 12:00 pmhttp://operationyellowelephant.blogspot.com/
2 words: lame duck.
March 21st, 2006 at 12:01 pmAlso he said:
“We are in a global war on terror and Iraq has been and will continue to be the central front in that war”.
Keep trying to get that pitch out Georgie – it’s a miss every time.
Jamie
March 21st, 2006 at 12:04 pmhttp://www.intoxination.net
#23
March 21st, 2006 at 12:05 pmWhat happened to your little peace rally? Its supporters promised thousands and thousands of people, yet only several hundred showed up. How could that be? Maybe there isn’t as much support as you think for impeachment, hmm. Also, how many years have U.S. troops been in South Korea and Germany? I don’t think anyone can tell you how long we will have a prescence in Iraq based on those facts.
He knows he is a complete failure. He is pleading, begging to be impeached to put him out of our misery.
March 21st, 2006 at 12:05 pmBasically, George is saying, “The buck stops there.”
March 21st, 2006 at 12:05 pmBush’s legacy insures that future presidents bear the burden of trying to balance the budget, pare down the ballooning trade deficit, clean up the environment, instill trust in government, and restore the good image of the U.S. around the world. I hope that can happen in my kids’ lifetime.
meaning, early ‘07, just after the midterm elections…
March 21st, 2006 at 12:06 pm344 – Unlike the hordes and hordes of people who showed up to support the impeachment of Pres. Clinton. . . . .
Oh, wait. There weren’t any crowds for that particular straw-man.
My pardon!
March 21st, 2006 at 12:07 pmThis is a president who can’t seem to either make up his mind or stop trying to change it constantly. I don’t think it should be up to a foreign government to tell us how long the U.S. troops should stay. By the time we make Dubya the lame duck, the real U.S. government will set the timetable to send our troops home and safe.
I still can’t believe we have the most stupidest man in the entire solar system as President. He’s just as stupid as President Logan on 24.
March 21st, 2006 at 12:08 pm#40
I’ll second that. My father-in-law was diagnosed with leukemia 6 years ago; he also has lymphoma. He is in his last days. Hasn’t had a chemo treatment since October because it is no longer having any effect on the cancer. Nobody deserves to go through what he’s going through now…not to mention family members.
Oh…and my mother-in-law was diagnosed with lymphoma a week after Thanksgiving. Talk about a double-whammy.
March 21st, 2006 at 12:08 pmLet go of the hate… Let the reichtwingers extol it’s virtue, not us. We have to be better. That’s how we will convince others to join us.
I don’t like Laura I. She’s just a pretty face Rovians put up to sell their mesage. Very much like how Gobbels used pretty German girls to show the “richeousness” of the Aryan “cause”. But in every other sense, she isn’t far enough removed from Ann Coulter to have any repect for her professionally & politically.
Yes I believe in karma, but none of us should gloat about others finding theirs sooner than others. We all will find our own, eventually.
Be nice! Be Tolerant of those who insist on being assholes. But don’t be quiet about telling them they are assholes. It’s our job boys & girls ( & since I’m speaking of progressives) and all those in-between.
March 21st, 2006 at 12:09 pm#44
Umm dude us troops aren’t getting shot at and blown up in Germany and south korea. the social and political situations are very different. Trying to compare troops stationed in those countries with whats going on in Iraq is like trying to compare apples to cats.
March 21st, 2006 at 12:09 pmIf Bush’s poll numbers take another hit, or if this comment causes a sh*tstorm on the talk circuit, he will probably soften or retract this statement, just like he did when he told Matt Lauer that the war on terror was not winnable in a conventional sense.
The very next day, Bush did a back flip and said “We absolutely can win this war and we will.”
I guess what he should have said was “We can win this war, and some future President will.”
March 21st, 2006 at 12:10 pmI say we all stop payin taxes, especially since there is nothing in the laws that says we have to pay taxes. The taxes are all volentary.
Therefore, since Congress will not do anything we can just take their money from them directly. Then again, they would probably just borrow more money to compensate.
Get ready for a draft, and I would love to see that because that would really cause a uproar.
March 21st, 2006 at 12:11 pm# 50 – I am so sorry to hear what your family is going through – that’s so awful, it’s beyond words. Please know that your fam is in my thoughts.
March 21st, 2006 at 12:12 pmAT LEAST HITLER DIDNT TELL JOKES ….
IMPEACH
RENDER TO GITMO
March 21st, 2006 at 12:12 pmBy the way, anyone who is on this board saying that Laura Ingraham or anyone else deserves cancer is a troll. Ignore them.
March 21st, 2006 at 12:13 pm44, thousands did show up. Youre not yet finished with your koolaid today, are you? 29% approval of the Chimpster’s handling of Iraq. Anyone against impeachment is a traitor to the Constitution and laws of the US.
March 21st, 2006 at 12:13 pm#55
Thanks…
March 21st, 2006 at 12:15 pmIMPEACH HIM NOW AND GET THE TROOPS OUT>>>>>>>>>>>>IM ANGRY RRRRRRR
March 21st, 2006 at 12:19 pm36- When you run on fear, the only fear you have is being exposed as a liar. I’d like to believe that there will be some justice for Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rummy, and the rest of the “war” criminals, but I have a bad feeling there will be no meaningful accounting of their crimes. I don’t have faith in either party to do what is right anymore- the GOP seem too partisan and venal; the Democrats, or at least their leadership, seem too afraid of offending the GOP base. Much like Iran/Contra, the S&L’s, the arming of Iraq, and so many other criminal policies in recent history, this will probably get pushed aside, or result in another whitewash cover up.
March 21st, 2006 at 12:19 pm#51 – Well said!
March 21st, 2006 at 12:25 pmwhat bush is really saying ….america will forever be in Iraq and will forever stomp on the Holy Ground of Islam this is the most disgraceful empty suit of a president .
Its about securing oil for the america oil companies nothing will get in the way of big oil profiteering off the back of the poor Iraqi’s……..
March 21st, 2006 at 12:26 pmI love that the right is parsing Bush’s statements. I thought this was supposed to be an administration of honesty and intregity? At this point clinton looks like a saint.
March 21st, 2006 at 12:28 pmOh…and my mother-in-law was diagnosed with lymphoma a week after Thanksgiving. Talk about a double-whammy.
Comment by WC — March 21, 2006 @ 12:08 pm
I am very sorry to hear about your family members. I lost my father after a 12 year battle with cancer when I was 27. Many of my family members have died from cancer and heart disease. Yet, for some reason, we as a society don’t seem to notice how many of us are dying these horrible, horrible ways.
I for one would like to take the billions wasted on Iraq and put it into National Healthcare. It would be a system to actually help people, rather than harm them.
March 21st, 2006 at 12:29 pm#44:
Dream on, the president is polling 29% support on Iraq and is out trying to resell it after three years. We don’t need a formal antiwar movement – its already happened. YOU are on the defensive now to explain this fiasco.
And that is for a war that has not required ANYBODY to pay a dime in extra taxes yet , or have their children drafted. Just 1% of the population as any real skin in this thing. Just ry drafting the kids of the upper miidle class to go fight in Iraq in 2008 and watch what happens.
March 21st, 2006 at 12:37 pm#49… Bush is not a President. He’s a muppet. Opps! I mean puppet. This cowardly lion could not think outside a box even if he was given instructions on how to do it!The masterminds of this brainless, spineless unintelligent alien are Rovie and Dickie. What you see when you hear bushie talk are words and paraphrases of their own agenda. Not his. And, believe this if you will, he is the stupidest, most arrogant, selfish individual on the entire planet. And, here’s a news brief. The entire world knows it except him and his cronies!!!!!!
March 21st, 2006 at 12:39 pmI think it’s fair to say there will be troops “in” Iraq during the terms of the next few presidents. After all, we still have troops “in” Germany, Japan and Korea.
Also, I appreciate those who find the comments wishing cancer on Laura Ingraham dispicable. No one has to like her, agree with her, etc. but it’s about as low as you can go as a human to wish that, or death, or harm on anyone.
March 21st, 2006 at 12:39 pmWhy f up a good thing .The taxpayer lays out most of the working capital so UK and US Co.’s can record record profits, increase stock prices all the while providing dog shit services and products at gouging prices. I tip my glass of Army regulation septic swill to all taxpayers.
May you purchase an MRE on E-Bay and end up paying an inflated price for it for it twice.
March 21st, 2006 at 12:40 pm#44 – What happened to your little peace rally? Its supporters promised thousands and thousands of people, yet only several hundred showed up. How could that be? Maybe there isn’t as much support as you think for impeachment, hmm.
I don’t know what you read or where you were (hopefully at a peace rally and march), but around the globe there were several that had over 100,000 people show up. Here in the US and out in Portland Oregon, more than 10,000 people showed up. Some estimates had the march at 50,000.
Here’s a link for you, if you don’t believe me. Take a look at all the people who did show up. I wish I lived out there and could participate. I don’t know what you’re all go’n on about. That’s a whole bunch of people. Not that WingNuts care about how many people show up to protest their stupidity.
ITMFA!!!
March 21st, 2006 at 12:44 pmHere’s one look at the people who showed up out in Portland last weekend to protest George Wanker Bush.
Link
ITMFA NOW!!!
March 21st, 2006 at 12:46 pmIngraham: karma’s a bitch, ain’t it?
March 21st, 2006 at 12:49 pmThis is a woman who has said incredibly evil and hateful things about people like me (democrat; left-wing; anti-iraq war). So boo-f’ing-hoo.
Of course U.S. troops will be in Iraq until at least the end of W. First, the U.S. military is building dozens of permanent bases in Iraq. Second, where else will the uimpending invasion of Iran come from? Remeber, W doesn’t look at the news or polls.
http://www.lcoliberal.blogspot.com
March 21st, 2006 at 12:49 pmMost Ridiculous Story of the Day: Right Now on LCL
Saw a small scale version of the peace march in my town. I live in whats a considered a fairly conservative area. A lot of drivers going by were honking there approval.
March 21st, 2006 at 12:49 pmthe MSM did hardly anything to show it…see for yourself
March 21st, 2006 at 12:52 pmhttp://michaelmoore.com/
#65
Thanks for your kind words. I agree 110% that we need a national health care plan. If others can do it, so can we. Sure, it most likely wouldn’t be perfect, but heck, it couldn’t be worse than what we have now.
March 21st, 2006 at 12:53 pmthere are also many upset about the war, who would not go out and join a protest. My dad who is ex-navy would never go out and protest, but he does not like bush, the Iraq war, or many things the republicans do.
March 21st, 2006 at 1:00 pmMy goodness this is the kind of leader we have in office? someone who acts and expects others to clean up after himself? wow I did that in elementary school. I wonder if how he got to be president with that attitude, geez guess i crash my car and run, let others clean my mess same rethoric isn’s it? shameful president someone needs to remove him from office HELP!!!!
March 21st, 2006 at 1:01 pmSadly I agree with Bush, the troops will be there until January 21, 2009, the day after President Feingold is sworn in.
March 21st, 2006 at 1:04 pmI’d be interested in seeing what an announcement like this, stating that we are likely to be in Iraq for years to come, does to the enlistment rate of our armed forces.
March 21st, 2006 at 1:05 pmLaura Ingraham has breast cancer – making fun of cancer patients is beneath contempt
Comment by mmmm … sultry #9
uhmmm…slutty,
Laura Ingraham is a TREASONOUS inbred Bushite bi*ch…
…who deserves to get what she’s suported or the innocent Iraqi women and babies who’ve suffered…
…forgive me if I don’t shed a tear or that propagandiing TREASONOUS Bushite who*e…
March 21st, 2006 at 1:06 pm#66
March 21st, 2006 at 1:06 pmOK – I’ll concede that there were thousands of protesters against the war last week around the world. But, where were the protesters in this country? You have to admit that you guys looked pretty weak and thats why the MSM didn’t cover the story. They once again gave your side a break. If I were to believe the 29% approval rating, wouldn’t I expect to see more people in the streets?
As a progressive Democrat, nobody despises Laura Ingraham and everything she stands for more than I do, and I also think she is personally a truly nasty bitch. However, as a breast cancer survivor whose mother and grandmother both died of the disease, I feel nothing but compassion for her right now for what she is going through with her illness. Those of you who think it is amusing to make jokes about it or claim that you think she deserves to suffer with this horrible disease are truly despicable, evil creatures, and are expressing far worse thoughts and behaviors than Ingraham ever did. You all make me sick.
Incidentally, I read this morning that Bush has cut funding for free preventive mammograms and pap tests for uninsured women and has also cut funding for every single cancer research program in the budget. What a stupid pig, but even he doesn’t deserve to get cancer.
March 21st, 2006 at 1:08 pmmy favorite line:
March 21st, 2006 at 1:09 pm“…history has proved democracies don’t war…”
uh huh…
wheres my gun i’m of to iraq
That was irresponcible of george Bush now americans troop will be bigger targets now
March 21st, 2006 at 1:11 pm#82 – ’ll concede that there were thousands of protesters against the war last week around the world. But, where were the protesters in this country? You have to admit that you guys looked pretty weak and thats why the MSM didn’t cover the story…
It looks like there were a ton of protesters here in this country. How many do you want, fer cry’n out loud?
…I couldn’t belive my eyes: there were thousands upon thousands of people; more than I had ever seen at a rally anywhere. My initial estimate was about 10,000-15,000 but people kept flooding the park while the speakers spoke so by the time we marched there must have been 20,000-40,000 people…
March 21st, 2006 at 1:11 pmof course, it was hard to top the lines about the war, economy etc looking great from his “perch” …
March 21st, 2006 at 1:11 pmimagine that
People wake up!
The L’il Dick corporate war profiteers are pouring “miles” of concrete, setting up permanent bases all around Iraq…
America is in Iraq either until she goes belly up- which by that time L’il Dick, Bushiva and their corporate cronies will be filthier rich and long gone…
…or the Iraqi/Iranians force us out- which by that time L’il Dick, Bushiva and their corporate cronies will be filthier rich and long gone…
Iraq will NEVER end for America UNLESS…
…we make the Bushites PAY:
personally
March 21st, 2006 at 1:14 pmfinancially
politically
83# Bush has cut funding for free preventive mammograms and pap tests for uninsured women and has also cut funding for every single cancer research program in the budget. What a stupid pig, but even he doesn’t deserve to get cancer.
Sorry I totally disagree Bush deserves testicular cancer of the brain …… are you dumb he is a mass murderer he does deserve to die painfully…….considering all you right wingers in fact 80% of america voted for this war, and another thing 30% still support Bush I take it there the christians in America…….what a fucked up place
March 21st, 2006 at 1:15 pmactually kate, it’s true. if you are mocking is poor grammar, that’s one thing.
democracies, history has shown, go to war with other democracies. this may simply be a coincidence, but it is the truth thus far.
…and about the laura ing. stuff…
saying she deserves this because you disagree with her… where do you get off?
i mean, i think dean is a dipshit, feingold a teatsucking opportunist and kennedy an actual murderer but i dont wish cancer, death, hell even a broken toe on them. that would be just mean.
March 21st, 2006 at 1:16 pmMSNBC now reporting that ‘Bush did not want war’. So what does this mean you Two-Pint Caligula? From October 31st, 2004 Houston Chronicle:
March 21st, 2006 at 1:17 pm
Well we can take comfort in the knowledge that, for the time being at least, President Bush acknowledges there will be future presidencies. Of course this could all change between now and 2008, when his supporters decide that the 22nd amendment is another one of those ‘outdated’ laws that don’t need to be adhered to.
March 21st, 2006 at 1:18 pmI can’t wait for him to figure out a way to send the Katrina refugees over to fight his war. Just think, he could bump off a whole bunch of pesky poor people, and have more targets for the insurgents to practice on at the same time.
This guy is beyond crazy.
March 21st, 2006 at 1:18 pmDoes that mean that we stay the course in Iraq despite the fact that Saddam and the Taliban are unleashing their Jihad in Pakistan as we speak?
March 21st, 2006 at 1:18 pmThanks for your kind words. I agree 110% that we need a national health care plan. If others can do it, so can we. Sure, it most likely wouldn’t be perfect, but heck, it couldn’t be worse than what we have now.
Comment by WC — March 21, 2006 @ 12:53 pm
I wish I could do more than just words… Please know you’re not alone.
Until we start putting people first in our political policies, we’ll continue in this degenerative state. Not what our Founding Fathers had wished for us all.
March 21st, 2006 at 1:19 pm# 81 –
wow … your debate tactics are truly inspiring (name calling? what are you, an 8-year-old??)
I agree with the poster above who said that karma will visit us all – all we can do is be good to our fellow man and fight against injustice.
Wishing cancer upon our enemies is just bad form all the way around.
March 21st, 2006 at 1:21 pmWith statements like these the president is building the scaffold, of impeachment, on which he will hang himself
March 21st, 2006 at 1:22 pma horse is a horse of course of course and a horse could talk only if you’ re jackazz bush of course of course. so was it karen hughes brains to “inform” the public of that? who in the heck do they think they are talking to? the audacity they have to try and insult the american folks.
March 21st, 2006 at 1:23 pmMSNBC now reporting that ‘Bush did not want war’. So what does this mean you Two-Pint Caligula?
What it means is what everybody already knows, he’s a blatant, unrepentant liar. What amazes me is that he still thinks anybody is stupid enough to believe anything he says.
March 21st, 2006 at 1:26 pm#81 – Thanks big papa, for confirming every winger’s strawman argument about ‘the hate-filled Left’. Your comments are appallingly ignorant for those of us who’ve actually witnessed someone succumb to cancer. Try volunteering at a cancer hospice until you get clue……..
March 21st, 2006 at 1:27 pmThis is the first truthfull thing Bush has ever said > he will never bring the troops home from Iraq as long as he is president, so he must be impeached ASAP! George also claims that Senator Hillary Clinton will replace him in 2008, which implies that Hillary and Bill have sold out the Democratic Party, and Hillary has also agreed to keep the troops in Iraq for her 4 to 8 years in office?! It is OIL that drives the Bush’s and Clinton’s into utter madness!
March 21st, 2006 at 1:28 pmchase 90 – actually kate, it’s true. if you are mocking is poor grammar, that’s one thing.
democracies, history has shown, go to war with other democracies. this may simply be a coincidence, but it is the truth thus far.
actually, it’s katY … and your “response” is confusing at best, surely it’s mock-able…
March 21st, 2006 at 1:28 pmi won’t dignify it with any attempt to clarify for you bush’s words…stupid words…
#2, Your comments about Laura Ingraham looking less than womanly, you dumbass she is recovering from cancer. Theres plenty of stuff to disagree with the right wingers on but lets not turn into scumbags and make fun of a politcal foe by making fun of their fight with cancer. Get a life you loser.
March 21st, 2006 at 1:29 pmAND just think, you commie lovers have THREE MORE YEARS of Bush and his war!!! AND once we invade Iran, he’ll be taking questions everyday!
Nothing like seeing the moonbat left go wild over Bush’s statements.
AND Thank you #101 for speaking truth. Billary is Bushie deep down.
March 21st, 2006 at 1:31 pm#72 It’s funny that the scumbag side of our party makes fun of those we disagree with because they have CANCER. You are acting just like Rush Limbaugh. I understand you probably are not very bright so maybe blogs are a bad idea for you.
March 21st, 2006 at 1:31 pmhaha katy, youre right, i botched the whole response. let me try again.
democracies do not go to war with other democracies. even though this may be just a coincidence, it’s historically factual.
March 21st, 2006 at 1:34 pmI’ve changed my mind. I want Bush to remain in office until America goes bankrupt and all of the middle east is in flames, and the Chinese take over control of whats left of the world. It’s his mess and I want everyone left alive to know who did this to our planet.
March 21st, 2006 at 1:35 pm“democracies do not go to war with other democracies. even though this may be just a coincidence, it’s historically factual. Comment by Chase ”
Ah, I see Chase is back spreading yet more inaccurate childlike assumptions.
Hitler and Musolini were ‘elected’, and while they were ‘fascist’, their governments were democracies – at least as much or even more than ours. The difference between Hitler’s government and Bush’s, is that Hitler was actually democratically elected.
March 21st, 2006 at 1:38 pmHow bout that censure resolution, dipshits!? Wanna help us bring Bush’s numbers back up? I love watching liberals foam at the mouth – it’s hysterical.
March 21st, 2006 at 1:39 pmI forgive you chase for those posts, I’m sure you didn’t mean to lie, but that probably you just don’t know much about history.
May I suggest some more reading sweetie?
March 21st, 2006 at 1:39 pmBush claiming the troops will remain in Iraq throughout his presidency is indeed a timetable. Not a full one, but a timetable none-the-less.
March 21st, 2006 at 1:41 pm#108 – the difference is in Hitler’s govt, you’d be gassed for a hateful statement like that. unfortunately, we have to put up with you no matter how anti-American you are.
March 21st, 2006 at 1:41 pmLiberals Are Anti-Democracy,
You really shouldn’t hate ‘liberals’, see we both want the country to succeed – at least I do, and I”ll give you the benefit of the doubt.
After all, isn’t democracy where the most votes win, and wasn’t Bush’s victory in 2000 ‘anti-democracy’ by nature?
I hate to correct you, but the truth must be heard.
And I forgive you for lying, that’s what those who have partisan brains like yourself do – live in fear, hate and anger.
Poor pumpkin, you’re such a victim of your illness…
March 21st, 2006 at 1:41 pmI do not want anyone to get cancer. I have seen too many people in my life suffer and die from this dreaded disease. Having said that, perhaps this will give this woman a chance to become empathetic to the plight of many people who suffer from a disease that this administration has deemed not important enough for them to spend research dollars on.
It was not until Reagan contracted alzheimers that the Reagan’s began to see how imprtant stem cell reseasrch was. For some it takes a personal tragedy to finally become human.
March 21st, 2006 at 1:41 pmyou’re still confusing me chase – though i’m not confused by the irony of w’s words – it seems you are…
March 21st, 2006 at 1:42 pm#109 No you don’t NeD. You are a liar and most liars think everyone is lying too. Well, dude, they aren’t and you don’t believe that stupid crap you say. You merely want our attention and we are happy to give you some.
We figure at least you aren’t spreading your goofiness to those that aren’t capable of seeing the truth. There are a couple left other than yourself.
So what do you think about all the republicans jumping ship? Are they scared? What about Keane not coming to the fundraiser in Jersey until Cheney left? Is it that the repubs are distancing themselves from this admin? Or, was it just another coincidence?
March 21st, 2006 at 1:43 pm“the difference is in Hitler’s govt, you’d be gassed for a hateful statement like that. unfortunately, we have to put up with you no matter how anti-American you are. Comment by Liberals Are Anti-Democracy”
Oh sweetie, I bet if you had your way you wouldn’t put up with me – and that’s how you know you’re like hitler pumpkin.
Evil is a slippery slope, and it’s why you need to find your better self. All of this anger and hatred you project is misplaced. Why don’t you go to Pakistan and help with the effort to find Bin Laden?
And I forgive you for your misrepresentation of what I said – it’s what those who are desperate do pumpkin.
March 21st, 2006 at 1:43 pmyou made your bed so you can all lay in it ??
As for us were all ok
March 21st, 2006 at 1:44 pmThe posts cheering for Laura Ingraham to suffer from her cancer are all from the same person. Don’t even bother responding anymore. I have checked into it and it’s one person using different emails to post. He is obviously a scumbag with nothing better to do than make fun of cancer. To the scumbag I hope that you never experience a loved one suffering from this horrible disease. You have my email address if you don’t believe I know who you are just send me an email and I’ll send back your IP address and LOTS more personal information. KEEPING IT HONEST
March 21st, 2006 at 1:44 pmGod help us all.
ned is back. Goon.
March 21st, 2006 at 1:44 pm#112 People weren’t gassed because of their words, they were gassed because of their genes. You know, like you do with women.
March 21st, 2006 at 1:44 pmkindness, he is so obvious. Start chiding him about his stupid mustache and he will go away.
March 21st, 2006 at 1:45 pmbush says the u.s is not a democracy……
with his usual unfaltering optimism, the president gave yet another series of statements about how swell the war in iraq is going……
March 21st, 2006 at 1:48 pm6 – “He disrespected Helen Thomas big time, but she can take it, and I just laughed. She knew when she asked her question she wasn’t going to get anything but a squirming, pissed off Georgie, and squirm he did.” – Zookeeper
****Oh, you mean the part where Helen kept interrupting Bush while he was speaking?? That WAS awfully disrespectFUL of the President!!!!! Personally, I don’t know why Helen bothers to ask her “questions”. She already knows what she’s going to write – and it ain’t going to be objective…..
March 21st, 2006 at 1:51 pmjust curious – when i read this character i think “wallace”…NeD was around in the early days…are these 2 one-and-the-same? aka – patriot and numerous other forgetable names?
March 21st, 2006 at 1:51 pmBush did himself a huge favor today by actually defending his policies and attacking his attackers. The Dubai deal is over folks – now we talk censure and impeachment. AND the Democrats will fold and act like the cowards we know they are. They know their base is radical. That is why they ignore you.
March 21st, 2006 at 1:51 pmhttp://gregpalast.com/printerfriendly.cfm?artid=483
OPEC, BUSH, CHENEY WERE ALL INTO ON THIS SCAM!!!
THIS WAS THE REASON THE BUSH CRIME FAMILY WENT INTO IRAQ… TO KEEP THE IRAQI OIL AWAY FROM THE MARKET ON PURPOSE…ECONOMIC 101!!!
OPEC IS IN ON IT, THE WAR KEEPS THE IRAQI OIL AWAY FROM THE MARKET…MAKING PRICES HIGHER!
March 21st, 2006 at 1:54 pmthere you go, rubber hose 123 … you picked up on that – after all: “democracies don’t war” …right?
March 21st, 2006 at 1:54 pm“****Oh, you mean the part where Helen kept interrupting Bush while he was speaking?? That WAS awfully disrespectFUL of the President!!!!! Personally, I don’t know why Helen bothers to ask her “questionsâ€. She already knows what she’s going to write – and it ain’t going to be objective….. Comment by mighty aphrodite AKA Jeffrey Shawn AKA Ritewinger”
I forgive you sweetie for projecting your own posting styles on legitimate reporters. And the reason she ‘asks’ those questions, is that’s the role of a reporter. If you’re used to watching Fox News – as I imagine you are, it must be a foreign concept.
But I forgive you for not understanding how the american press works, and what’s considered ‘disrespectful’ is a president that won’t answer question to the reporter – who is a PROXY for you and me. Just because you BELIEVE you already know the answer, don’t accuse others of your failties sweetie.
Pumpkin, I forgive you for being afraid of the truth, it’s fear that makes a partisan, and you seem to shake in your boots.
And I forgive you for once again straying off topic, I imagine the fact that Bush has fumbled Iraq must be difficult for a fine Chickenhawk scaredy boy like yourself.
March 21st, 2006 at 1:59 pmRightPunch – you’re afraid of the truth. If you weren’t, you would be dealing with your own party’s lies on the issue of Iraq. You want to cheap points in wartime – PERIOD. I pity your kind.
March 21st, 2006 at 2:01 pm“Bush did himself a huge favor today by actually defending his policies and attacking his attackers. The Dubai deal is over folks – now we talk censure and impeachment. AND the Democrats will fold and act like the cowards we know they are. They know their base is radical. That is why they ignore you. Comment by Liberals Are Anti-Democracy”
Is that so sweetie? Then why hasn’t congress called for an anti-abortion constitutional amendment right now? Or is it that they’re ‘cowards’ and know that their base is radical, so they’re ignoring you?
And pumpkin, you do realize that the measures to impeach and censure both poll higher than congress or bush don’t you? That means impeachment is considered a more popular option than the president is.
Be careful what you ask for pumpkin ;)
March 21st, 2006 at 2:01 pmYes Aphrodite, you’re absolutely right… objectivity has pretty much left the news since Roger Ailes got intothe game.
March 21st, 2006 at 2:02 pm#131 – no, Republicans don’t want a constitutional amendment banning abortion. We wanted Alito and Roberts. AND we got them. NEXT!
March 21st, 2006 at 2:03 pmwould like to post a link and excuse me if it has already been posted
http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/bushadmin.html
March 21st, 2006 at 2:04 pm[...] UPDATE:Â Yes, Dear Reader, it appears that I did just hear that. [...]
March 21st, 2006 at 2:06 pmHey Right Punch are you kidding me. Then why hasn’t congress called for an anti-abortion constitutional amendment right now? Or is it that they’re ‘cowards’ and know that their base is radical, so they’re ignoring you?. Republicans have said from the beginning that it should be up to the States. Have you noticed States starting to pass anti-abortion laws? Nice try genius. Do your homework son.
March 21st, 2006 at 2:07 pmHow many times can Right Punch use the word pumpkin in one blog? Take a break smoke another bong and think of another condescending word.
March 21st, 2006 at 2:09 pmthis is just a little funny i found on smart ol’ george “Dick Cheney and i do not want this nation to be in a recession. We want anybody who can find work to be able to find work”. wow, and this is word for word!!!! smart georgy
March 21st, 2006 at 2:11 pmAND once we invade Iran, he’ll be taking questions everyday!
Nothing like seeing the moonbat left go wild over Bush’s statements.
Warmongers one and all. The Republican right loves to see the blood of American young men and women flowing through the streets in the Arab world. It makes the Republican right feel alive. It makes them wish they had gone to war when they had the chance instead of joining champagne units, taking five deferments, suffeiring from ass-cysts and acne.
Good luck with your Iranian war war mongers. You must be praying for the deaths of thousands of more young Americans in the Muddled East.
Pray for more war ye bringers of death.
Remember Jesus.
-GSD
March 21st, 2006 at 2:11 pmWe’ll be in Iraq until 2009…
That’s what the president said today:REPORTER: Will there come a day, and I’m not asking you when – I’m not asking for a timetable – will there come a day when there will be no more American forces in Iraq?…
March 21st, 2006 at 2:12 pmSMACKDOWN http://newsbusters.org/node/4542
March 21st, 2006 at 2:16 pm[...] I see that Bubble Boy was defending his war again today. He revealed that he expects troops to stay in Iraq as long as he is president. He also claimed he hadn’t wanted a war. Whereupon his nose grew several yards longer and sprouted branches. [...]
March 21st, 2006 at 2:19 pmWas that a buck I just saw passing?
March 21st, 2006 at 2:30 pmMore evidence the Bush administration ignored accurate information about Iraq in their rush for war. From MSNBC:
“In the period before the Iraq war, the CIA and the Bush administration erroneously believed that Saddam Hussein was hiding major programs for weapons of mass destruction. Now NBC News has learned that for a short time the CIA had contact with a secret source at the highest levels within Saddam Hussein’s government, who gave them information far more accurate than what they believed. It is a spy story that has never been told before, and raises new questions about prewar intelligence.”
March 21st, 2006 at 2:30 pmIraqi diplomat gave U.S. prewar WMD details – Saddam’s foreign minister told CIA the truth, so why didn’t agency listen?
Hershey, PA, April, 2004:
There are people here in this world who still want to hurt us. See, they can’t stand America.
Press Conference, April, 2004:
We must do everything in our power to find these killers and bring them to justice, before they hurt us again. I’m afraid they want to hurt us again. They’re still there.
May 2004, Bush falls off his mountain bike, grazing his chin, upper lip, nose, both knees and his right hand, while riding on his ranch in Texas.
August, 2004:
Bush: I believe that terrorists are evil because they want to hurt the US.
Bush to the U.S. University Presidents Summit on International Education: “There is still an enemy that lurks, that wants to hurt us.”
July, 2005: Bush is hurt when he loses control of his bicycle and runs into a police officer at the G8 summit in Scotland.
October 18, 2005:
There are enemies still out there who want to hurt us.
San Diego, CA, March, 2006:
I believe that they want to hurt us again.
So failure in Iraq, which isn’t going to happen, would send all kinds of terrible signals to an enemy that wants to hurt us
Bush; “There are people who want to hurt us.
————-
It’s pretty obvious that Dubya is living his life with the forever-stalled emotions and intellect of a four-year-old who has been abused. He and his handlers all seem to be suffering from severe arrested development.
If Bush and Cheney are not impeached then by January, 2009, the economy, the military, the country and the American people will amount, by far, to the biggest train wreck of a nation and its peopl since the defeat of the Third Reich.
March 21st, 2006 at 2:34 pmhere is another intelligent quote from Mr. Bush. Topic is illiteracy. “Then you wake up at the high school level and find out that tthe illiteracy level of our children are appalling”. HUH?
March 21st, 2006 at 2:34 pmnstead, pointed out Ingraham, the MSM’s approach is to stand on a balcony in the Green Zone, reporting on the latest IEDs, killings and reprisals.
Which is why Jill Carroll is in the hands of insurgents? Which is why there are more reporters dead in this war than in any previous war.
Ingrahams “balcony” line will be recited ad-infinitum by right wingers. Notice that Ingraham didn’t hit he streets of Iraq by herself..Nope she was embedded with US troops..not exactoy a great way to get the locals to talk to you, even if you claim to be a reporter.
As one Iraqi said: “Most Iraqis have learned to say nice things to people with guns”.
Also, when did Laura Ingraham become K.D. Lang? Why isn’t she married? I think that she is a poor example to young women today. Women should be gettingmarried and procreating and not cutting their hair to butchy lengths and donning khakis.
-GSD
March 21st, 2006 at 2:34 pmI LIKE KHAKIS!!!!!
March 21st, 2006 at 2:36 pm“How many times can Right Punch use the word pumpkin in one blog? Take a break smoke another bong and think of another condescending word. Comment by Heather Bryce ”
Oh pumpkin. Only someone filled with hate, rage and anger would think a term of endearment is ‘condescending’. But I forgive you for not being able to show love and forgiveness to your fellow man.
As for the republican stance on abortion being a ’states right’ issue, is that exactly what they said about marriage, before they lobbied for a FEDERAL constitutional amendment? Why is marriage any more of a federal issue than ‘murder’ – as republicans call abortion? You can’t have ‘MURDER’ be a state issue can you? Or are you saying abortion isn’t ‘MURDER’ and the partisan republicans lie?
But I forgive you for your bad memory, it’s a problem with partisan brain – selective memory.
March 21st, 2006 at 2:38 pmHey Republicans Hate Christianity,
That was a really good impression of me – very funny, and I have to agree with with you wrote, and I forgive you for doing an impression of me. Assuming that’s what you were doing
March 21st, 2006 at 2:40 pmBush sucks, we all know this. But I don’t see how impeaching him –and making Cheney president– is going to drastically improve our situation. President Cheney? Now that’s scary.
March 21st, 2006 at 2:43 pm#146 Ingraham was mainly with IRAQI troops. But hey don’t let the facts get in the way of your argument.
March 21st, 2006 at 2:45 pmOh yes and #146 in case you missed the dozens of posts explaining that Ingraham has cancer then now you know jackass.
March 21st, 2006 at 2:46 pmMr Bush had once said that we will stay in Iraq until the job is done and not a day longer. I guess what he didn’t say was that if the job doesn’t get done we will be ther forever.
March 21st, 2006 at 2:47 pm#148 Nice try smart guy. Intellegent people call that a “red heiring”. Republicans insanse stance on gay marriage has nothing to do with the fact that my point was 100% correct. The majority of Republicans think it should be a states issue. So I’m really not interested in joining your fake argument about gay marriage. And by the way all your comments about being hate filled etc. Remember the Republicans have been proven (scientific study) to be happier and more positive than Democrats (regardless of income). Whose bitter and angry?
March 21st, 2006 at 2:50 pmThis was his plan from the start!!! Bankrupt the USA, Allow Oil companies to RAPE the WORLD and pass the buck to the inheritors of all this blood for oil…..our children, grnadchildren and their kids……how we allow this to happen without a fight is beyond me…..call your corrupt govenment official and let them know how you feel….yell at them so they get the point….harrassment is better than blood
March 21st, 2006 at 2:50 pmherring
March 21st, 2006 at 2:51 pmIngraham was mainly with IRAQI troops. But hey don’t let the facts get in the way of your argument.
Comment by Heather Bryce — March 21, 2006 @ 2:45 pm
And your point is?
Fact remains reporters need to use military protection in order to do their job, as Ingraham herself said: “”Yes. I was not on the hotel balcony. I was out with the U.S. military. It can be done in any part of the country.”
In other words, she was embedded -not the best way to give an unbiased picture of what’s happening in Iraq.
March 21st, 2006 at 2:52 pmHow is the monkey so certain of victory when he can’t even see the end of the war? What is victory and how will he know it? He just admitted to open-ended warfare.
March 21st, 2006 at 2:53 pmHe is a spoiled willful child – a case of arrested development. He has never had to work for anything, nor suffer consequences for his decisions. He always had Daddy’s rich friends to help him start something, and then later to bail him out. He is without morals, without integrity or responsibility. Where he was once drunk with liquor, he is now drunk with power — he simply changed vehicles. True to form, he is leaving another mess for someone who follows to clean up.
I had to laugh when in his defense of Rumsfeld, he said that war plans look good on paper until you face the enemy:
1. Like he would know the first thing about war planning
2. Like he would know what it means to face an enemy
3. Like he would recognize incompetence – it’s in his mirror every day, but he is blind
Bush is a despicable person, ignorant and stubborn, and dangerously irresponsible.
Sorry I don’t mean to pollute this blog with facts but again #146 what planet are you on. Do you have any idea how many reporters dies in Vietnam. Actually so far about 9 times more than Iraq. Sorry I know it’s so much more fun when you get to make stuff up.
March 21st, 2006 at 2:55 pm146 – yea, Laura Ingram rode around inside an armored vehicle with the US army. So she should know that reporters can be in Iraq.
I’ll bet she never left the Army base she was on.
Kool Aide drinkers, all of ‘em. You go Jim Carville, just cause your married to Mautlin, doesn’t mean you gotta be nice to the rest of the swilling reichtwingnutz media people.
March 21st, 2006 at 2:55 pmThis guy makes me sick. My only comfort is that I am part of the 49% who didn’t vote for him.
March 21st, 2006 at 2:56 pm“Nice try smart guy. Intellegent people call that a “red heiringâ€. Republicans insanse stance on gay marriage has nothing to do with the fact that my point was 100% correct. The majority of Republicans think it should be a states issue. Heather Bryce”
Sure it does. Republicans claim abortion is murder, so how is murder a ’states right’ issue?
That’s just silly pumpkin.
“So I’m really not interested in joining your fake argument about gay marriage. Heather Bryce”
How is asking why marriage is more of a ‘federal’ issue than ‘murder’, a fake argument? It sounds perfectly rational – but your response is a little hysterical sweetie.
“And by the way all your comments about being hate filled etc. Heather Bryce”
Not at all pumpkin, I don’t hate you, I love you. You’re my fellow american, and you clearly want and believe you’re doing the right thing. Why should I hate you? Are you maybe just assuming or projecting your own emotions a bit pumpkin?
“Remember the Republicans have been proven (scientific study) to be happier and more positive than Democrats (regardless of income). Whose bitter and angry? Comment by Heather Bryce”
Yeah, and the studies also show that Republican children are whiney and insecure, and grow up to be insecure, defensive and rigid. Or did you miss that latest SCIENTIFIC study.
See the difference between a ‘poll’ and a ’study’ done by researchers, is one is unscientific, while the other is scientific.
But I forgive you – partisan brain (another interesting SCIENTIFIC STUDY) prevents people like you from processing any information that doesn’t fit your preconceptions. It’s OK sweetie, you’re just a drug addicted insecure person – you can’t help yourself.
March 21st, 2006 at 2:56 pm“herring Comment by Heather Bryce”
Actually I kind of liked ‘heiring’ better, as that more closely explains how Bush got where he is :)
March 21st, 2006 at 2:58 pmheather – links would make your point much better. Preferrably not to links that are full of shit.
oh yea, chill girl. You gotta keep your dander down.
March 21st, 2006 at 2:58 pmI hope I don’t cause a heart attack in anyone, but I’m sorry to shock some folks tht when Dubya says “not in my presidency”, this does not necessarily mean untiul 2008. We all know that he has absolutely no credibility whatsoever, so whatever he says has to be taken with a grain of salt. What if, just speculating now folks, but what if there was a surprise “surprise” “terrorist” attack (wink, wink, nod, nod) and Dubya then proclaimed that he has to “protect” us all and he therefore is cancelling the 2008 elections until he feels it will be “safe” for the country to have an election, which folks, may be never. Just thinking aloud.
March 21st, 2006 at 2:58 pmRight Punch, “drug addicted” that’s a mature come back. I think I remember you from the 3rd grade playground. “Partisan brain” that’s funny I thought I remembered being an independent who has criticized the administration countless times on this very blog. Oh and another pesky fact, polls and studies are BOTH scientific. I know it takes more than your apparent 3rd grade education to know that though. Your starting to bore me sweet cheeks.
March 21st, 2006 at 3:02 pmIt’s amazing how transparent “chimpy” (I like that #37) is, I believe this press conference is psyco-manipulation of the masses. He’s been told to go out and “speak honestly” because even though the message is going to suck, people will respect his honesty. Its a tactic used to quell concern and send those who are not motivated enough to speak out or do something to get him out of office, quietly back to thier homes in resignation of the fact that they should just be happy with thier lives right now and leave the important stuff to those better able to handle it…Chimpy and Dead Eye. Why do I feel like I’m in a bad western? Seriously, I, like many people I talk to, am AFRAID for our country and for the future of our country. I try to do a little something every day to help the cause and promote those that feel the same and want to see a change in the white house, but sometimes I wonder what we’re fighting and if its just gotten too big for us to fight? Are we on the verge of a revolution? We are at the edge, but what will unify us and push us over? It has to be a thing so big that will push us so violently out of our complacient shells, that we’ll be so busy being out on the streets of washington we won’t have time to write about what we think. I’m afraid to think what that thing will be. What else do we have to endure before we truly have had enough?
March 21st, 2006 at 3:02 pmRight Punch I know this is difficult for you but concentrate really hard and you might get it. My point was that (right or wrong, insane or not) the Republicans have said that abortion should be a states right issue, that is why they are not proposing a federall amendment (doesn’t matter if it makes since that is what they are doing). That’s why it’s a red herring. I wasn’t agruing that it’s right, I was explaining (to someone else) why they haven’t proposed an amendment. Good try though, your starting to resemble a rabid dog.
March 21st, 2006 at 3:09 pmMore press have been killed in Iraq than in all of the Vietnam War,
Look it up.
-GSD
As to Laura’s cancer, I am sure Pat Robertson can offer some insight as to why God has afflicted her.
March 21st, 2006 at 3:10 pm“Right Punch, “drug addicted†that’s a mature come back. I think I remember you from the 3rd grade playground. “Partisan brain†that’s funny I thought I remembered being an independent who has criticized the administration countless times on this very blog. Heather Bryce”
Really, that’s great – because you come across as a true partisan today. Remember the partisan brain ’shifts’ on issues, perhaps you aren’t aware that you have it. As for ‘drug addicted’ being a 3rd grade comeback, wow, where did you grow up, in a crack den? Anyway, it’s based on scientific research pumpkin – you know the thing that ’scientists’ do?
“Oh and another pesky fact, polls and studies are BOTH scientific. Heather Bryce”
Oh sweetie, this is what I meant by a ‘partisan brain’. See a poll is only scientific in that it gathers people’s ‘opinions’, and those opinions aren’t necessarily honest. For instance, if you ask a grieving widow how she’s doing – she’ll say “I’m fine” or “I’m good”, but that doesn’t make it true. Once again you’ve confused a ’scientific observation’, with an ‘opinion poll’. Just because people want the world to think they’re happy, doesn’t mean they are happy, no more than just because you want to the world to think you aren’t angry, it’s clear to any observer that you are.
“I know it takes more than your apparent 3rd grade education to know that though. Your starting to bore me sweet cheeks. Comment by Heather Bryce”
Oh, thanks for the kind words – now was that so hard? As for being bored, I’m not surprised – I’m not feeding your hate and anger, which is what the partisan brain needs for its ‘fix’. But I forgive you – it’s OK pumpkin, you’re a product of your biology.
March 21st, 2006 at 3:10 pmBush has cut funding for free preventive mammograms and pap tests for uninsured women and has cut funding for cancer research.
March 21st, 2006 at 3:14 pmI really don’t wish for him to get sick and die because that would be surrendering to a more primitive inclination on my part, and too quick for him.
I would sentence him to a life of deprivation, of endless discomfort, and 24/7 blasting, audio assaulting his ears with reminders of the destruction and ruin he has wrought on America, its citizens and the world. He should live a life of mental anguish, humiliation, guilt (if he is capable of feeling such) and isolation, preferably in a dank and dark underground cell.
heather – sure hope you give equal time to MediaMatters – “fair and ballanced” fan that you surely are…
March 21st, 2006 at 3:15 pm“Right Punch I know this is difficult for you but concentrate really hard and you might get it. My point was that (right or wrong, insane or not) the Republicans have said that abortion should be a states right issue, that is why they are not proposing a federall amendment (doesn’t matter if it makes since that is what they are doing). Heather Bryce”
And yet just a few years ago when inter-racial marriage was being discussed, these same republicans said it’s a states right issue. What changed?
And you once again ignored my question sweetie? Republicans claim abortion is murder, so if it’s murder how can you say it’s a states right issue? Isn’t that just completely silly?
“That’s why it’s a red herring. I wasn’t agruing that it’s right, I was explaining (to someone else) why they haven’t proposed an amendment. Good try though, your starting to resemble a rabid dog. Comment by Heather Bryce”
But your ‘explanation’ was silly, just like your anger. I’m merely pointing out the inconsistency in the republican argument. They argue that killing a fetus is murder, and then they say regulating it should be up to the states? Where’s the ‘tough on crime’, and ‘put all of the murderers away’ stance that the Republicans claim to represent?
I’m sure it’s hard to process inconsistency in ‘reason’, because the partisan brain doesn’t engage the reason centers. And that explains why you keep ignoring the fact that ‘murder’ is considered a ’states right’ among republicans, whereas ‘marriage’ shifted to a federal one when the states suddenly started allowing gay marriage.
That’s nothing more than political expediency – and we both know it pumpkin. But I forgive you for not being able to be honest, it’s your partisan brain addiction that prevents you from ‘thinking’ before you type.
March 21st, 2006 at 3:15 pmI think I see part of the problem as I look at the posts on this blog is that many may agree that the current administration has GOT TO GO… but our personal convictions seem to have a way of side tracking us off the end goal. Guess what? Politicians know this and those in power…well… can sit tight and pretty. Chimpy isn’t going anywhere and another round of Neanderthals are on thier way for 2008.
March 21st, 2006 at 3:16 pmCan’t wait.
RightPunch you are actually somewhat entertaining. I love how because one guy compares partisans to drug addicts you take that as gospel. Don’t bother to think for yourself when there are others that can tell you what to believe. Anyway you’re boring because you don’t really debate the points you waste your time trying to be clever by calling people “pumpkin”. Look, having absolutely no friends and being an absolute repulsion to females should not make you so angry and bitter towards me. I know it hurts to have your daddy tell you he should of let you drip down his leg but that’s not our fault.
March 21st, 2006 at 3:19 pmSee a poll is only scientific in that it gathers people’s ‘opinions’, and those opinions aren’t necessarily honest.
I guess this means Bush really does have favorable ratings. All those who think he’s untrustworthy and that the Iraq war was a mistake aren’t necessarily being honest. Boy, I’m glad you cleared that up!
March 21st, 2006 at 3:21 pmRight Punch I told you to think hard before you responded. I never said it makes since that they argue it’s a states right issue. It maybe the craziest thing in the history of the world, it doesn’t matter that wasn’t my point. Maybe you shouldn’t get in the middle of adults conversations because you obviously don’t understand them. What the hell does inter-racial marriage have to do with it. I dub ye sir king of the red herring.
March 21st, 2006 at 3:22 pm“I know it hurts to have your daddy tell you he should of let you drip down his leg but that’s not our fault.”
Another class-act on the right. You must feel at home with Dildo Bill O’Reilly, Neil “Whoremaster” Bush, Arnold “The Groper” Schwarzenegger, Bob “Orgy and Bondage King” Livingston and the rest of the quietly repressed tight wing morals squad.
-GSD
March 21st, 2006 at 3:23 pmWhat the hell does inter-racial marriage have to do with it. I dub ye sir king of the red herring.
Southern racists argued that the Federal Govt/ had no rights poking around in their states business. They used the states rights excuse to continue the policy of race separation and interracial marriage bans.
-GSD
March 21st, 2006 at 3:25 pm#40 & #55
Forgive me for not offering my condolences earlier on the loss of your loved one/friend (#40) and your father (#55).
March 21st, 2006 at 3:26 pmBut your ‘explanation’ was silly, just like your anger. I’m merely pointing out the inconsistency in the republican argument. They argue that killing a fetus is murder, and then they say regulating it should be up to the states? Where’s the ‘tough on crime’, and ‘put all of the murderers away’ stance that the Republicans claim to represent?
Well congratulations RightPunch, that’s a great argument except nobody is arguing with you. I never said it makes sense. I’m not going to argue on behalf of the Republicans. You have absolutely no idea what we were talking about.
March 21st, 2006 at 3:26 pmSouthern racists argued that the Federal Govt/ had no rights poking around in their states business. They used the states rights excuse to continue the policy of race separation and interracial marriage bans.-GSD Comment by Granite State Destroyer
This is exactly true, it has nothing to do with what we were talking about but it is very true. Lets all take a moment and thank god that the democrats are no longer in favor of slavery, banning of inter-racial marriage and many other horrible ideas. I am so happy that a moral republican came along and stopped the murderous racist democrats.
March 21st, 2006 at 3:29 pmFirst of all, cancer has no political affiliations. It is an equal opportunity killer. Which is not to say that it does not have any “supporters”. Take for example, that fellow from one of those “family’ groups, whose main issues appear to revolve around only sexual matters, for some strange reason. He recently came out against a breakthrough vaccine that would prevent an STD, one that later can cause cervical cancer in women. Why? Because it would remove a “disincentive” for teenage sex. So this “christian” would rather have women die of cervical cancer than to have teen GIRLS think it’s “ok” to have sex. Talk about misplaced priorities !?! This world is plagued by situations where the “many” are forced to deal with the fallout from the actions of a “few”. And the “few” usually are able to just walk away from the chaos they created, and seem genuinely taken aback when “called” on it. Well one thing to remember here, once a president is no longer president, it is possible to prosecute them. And as we all know, there are no guaranties in this life. Sometimes what goes around DOES come around. May we all live long enough to see it.
March 21st, 2006 at 3:30 pm“RightPunch you are actually somewhat entertaining. I love how because one guy compares partisans to drug addicts you take that as gospel. Comment by Heather Bryce”
I know for the partisan brain, science and facts are disconcerting, and that’s why your partisan brain dismisses them without ever hearing it. After all, the science PROVES that it’s a drug response – but I forgive you for your inability to recognize you’re an addict, they rarely do.
“Don’t bother to think for yourself when there are others that can tell you what to believe. Heather Bryce”
Sweetie, I’m the one questioning the inconsistency of the arguments across the board – but your partisan brain wouldn’t recognize that. I forgive you pumpkin.
“Anyway you’re boring because you don’t really debate the points you waste your time trying to be clever by calling people “pumpkinâ€. Heather Bryce”
Pumpkin, I’m just offering my kindness and compassion, I know for someone who lives in anger, hatred and fear that must seem a waste of time. But it never is. I forgive you for your irrational anger pumpkin, I’m sure you’re a decent person despite the silly things you post.
“Look, having absolutely no friends and being an absolute repulsion to females should not make you so angry and bitter towards me. I know it hurts to have your daddy tell you he should of let you drip down his leg but that’s not our fault. Heather Bryce”
Oh pumpkin, I’ve already told you, I’m not angry or bitter toward you, you have my compassion and my forgiveness, you even have my pity and sympathy. As for your ‘pedophile’ comment, I forgive you for that as well, it must have been a horrible childhood for you – and just remember that it wasn’t your fault pumpkin. And you really shouldn’t judge the world through your own shattered childhood – after all, the SCIENTIFIC research proves that conservatives where whiney and insecure, but maybe you have a reason to be based on this post.
Poor thing, I feel sorry for you.
“Maybe you shouldn’t get in the middle of adults conversations because you obviously don’t understand them. What the hell does inter-racial marriage have to do with it. I dub ye sir king of the red herring. Comment by Heather Bryce”
Oh sweetie, the partisan brain prevents you from having basic reading comprehension. The point is that republicans shifted their ‘opinion’ on marriage being a states right very recently based on them ‘losing’ in the states. It’s exactly my point, that they don’t really believe in states rights, unless it means they’ll ‘win’, much like your arguments. Where you prefer to ‘win’ a point than recognize that you’re debating dishonestly.
But I forgive you, that childhood of yours gives me lots of sympathy for you pumpkin.
March 21st, 2006 at 3:31 pmPlease excuse Heather Bryce today folks. You see, she just got laid off at her job working for Karl Rove and has decided to chase away her sorrows by doing a bunch of crack.
Oh, excuse me….What’s that Heather? It wasn’t laid off, it was laid? Wait a gosh danged minute here! Now I know your bullshitting. Rove only likes Jeff Gannon types!
March 21st, 2006 at 3:32 pmAnother class-act on the right. You must feel at home with Dildo Bill O’Reilly, Neil “Whoremaster†Bush, Arnold “The Groper†Schwarzenegger, Bob “Orgy and Bondage King†Livingston and the rest of the quietly repressed tight wing morals squad.
Don’t forget Bill the blowjob king Clinton
March 21st, 2006 at 3:33 pmSorry I don’t mean to pollute this blog with facts but again #146 what planet are you on. Do you have any idea how many reporters dies in Vietnam. Actually so far about 9 times more than Iraq. Sorry I know it’s so much more fun when you get to make stuff up.
Comment by Heather Bryce — March 21, 2006 @ 2:55 pm
Or bullshit:
The number of journalists and support staff killed in Iraq since the start of the war in March 2003 now exceeds the toll among the media during two decades of fighting in Vietnam from 1955 to 1975, according to separate reports from two international journalists’ organizations.
By comparison, the Vietnam war claimed about 70 news media deaths over 20 years.”
Get some better “facts” Heather.
March 21st, 2006 at 3:35 pmAnother class-act on the right.
Operative word being RIGHT.
I knew that you would not want to miss an opportunity to bring the Clenis into the picture. Like most conservative women, you have a quiet lust for rakish men like Bill. Much hotter than the falccid assed Limbaugh or the pasty face Deadeye Dick Cheney, shotgunner of old men.
-GSD
Now put your bible down and pick up your O’Reilly Factor dildo and give that Bush the old work over.
March 21st, 2006 at 3:37 pmAs for your ‘pedophile’ comment, I forgive you for that as well, it must have been a horrible childhood for you – and just remember that it wasn’t your fault pumpkin.
You are awsome, how do you come up with these fake arguments so easily. Did somebody post a pedophile comment. I haven’t seen it yet. God bless you sweet heart, you should smile more and try and be happy. Living a life of anger and bitterness is SCIENTIFICALLY proven to be very bad for you. The earth is a beautiful wonderful place, you should start to enjoy life, it’s too short to be so dark and gloomy. THE GLASS IS HALF FULL
March 21st, 2006 at 3:37 pm“Maybe you shouldn’t get in the middle of adults conversations because you obviously don’t understand them. What the hell does inter-racial marriage have to do with it. I dub ye sir king of the red herring.”
Comment by Heather Bryce — March 21, 2006 @ 3:22 pm
And maybe you shouldn’t spout bullshit! Liar.
March 21st, 2006 at 3:38 pmP.S., Hello RightPunch! I have missed your posts! Where were you?
March 21st, 2006 at 3:38 pmC’mon Heather, tell me you didn’t just lie.
March 21st, 2006 at 3:39 pmGet some better “facts†Heather.
Just like Bush, she doesn’t need facts, just spin points repeated and repeated. That is the truth to them.
-GSD
March 21st, 2006 at 3:39 pm“Don’t forget Bill the blowjob king Clinton Comment by Heather Bryce”
Hey, I agree that he’s not exactly the king of ‘traditional values’, but since he didn’t run on that platform, or claim to be ‘righteous’, how is this wrong again?
See sweetie, the reason people on the left criticize those on the right for their ‘proclivities’, is the same reason I criticized them for their abortion actions – because of the hypocrisy.
I don’t care how much phone sex O’Reilly has with women other than his wife, but when he stands and judges the morality of others – that makes him a hypocrite.
And when you defend the hypocrisy by pointing out the personal actions of people who aren’t hypocrites – it just makes you look ‘childish’ and ‘partisan’.
But I forgive you sweetie, it’s clear your hatred and anger of those you disagree with prevent you from seeing basic facts – poor pumpkin.
March 21st, 2006 at 3:39 pmHeather gets punked!
March 21st, 2006 at 3:41 pmTHE GLASS IS HALF FULL
Comment by Heather Bryce — March 21, 2006 @ 3:37 pm
No it is a dark place full of terrorists who want to blow us all up and chop off all our heads. We need alarms and alerts and searches and bugs and spying and more weapons and press conferences telling about how bad and evil the terrorists are.
-GSD
March 21st, 2006 at 3:41 pmFirst Heather posts:
” I know it hurts to have your daddy tell you he should of let you drip down his leg but that’s not our fault. Comment by Heather Bryce ”
Then heather posts:
“You are awsome, how do you come up with these fake arguments so easily. Did somebody post a pedophile comment. I haven’t seen it yet. Comment by Heather Bryce ”
Thanks for proving my point heather about the partisan brain having no reading comprehension. Poor pumpkin, you can’t even remember your own posts from 2 minutes before.
But I forgive you – the smear, hit and run, and cut and run seems to be the finest of the propaganda fear and hate crowd. Poor thing, you must be awfully desperate to be so dishonest. You have my pity.
March 21st, 2006 at 3:43 pmLets all take a moment and thank god that the democrats are no longer in favor of slavery, banning of inter-racial marriage and many other horrible ideas. I am so happy that a moral republican came along and stopped the murderous racist democrats.
When Lyndon Johnson signed the civil rights act the southern racists abandoned the party and became…….Republicans…..Yep….Strom Thrumond and Jesse Helms and the like.
March 21st, 2006 at 3:44 pmHeather’s thinking of a new screen name. She’s been punked as a liar, and if she comes back it will be as someone else.
March 21st, 2006 at 3:45 pmWe want our country back.
March 21st, 2006 at 3:46 pm“This is exactly true, it has nothing to do with what we were talking about but it is very true. Lets all take a moment and thank god that the democrats are no longer in favor of slavery, banning of inter-racial marriage and many other horrible ideas. I am so happy that a moral republican came along and stopped the murderous racist democrats. Comment by Heather Bryce”
Sweetie, here, here – that’s the first ‘almost’ reasonable thing you’ve written. I’m so glad that a republican came along and stoped the muderous racist democrats of the 19th century as well. Too bad for the Republicans that the inheriters of those same racist murderous values now inhabit and lead the republican party.
There was a time when the republican party was a force for positive change, that time has long since passed unfortunately.
But I forgive you for supporting and delivering hate speech pumpkin. I know you mean well, even if your actions don’t prove it.
March 21st, 2006 at 3:46 pmAll presidents want to be great, even the incompetent ones. To be a great president, one must have a war. Washington & Lincoln had their wars (though Washington’s was before he became the president). McKinley and Wilson decided they needed one, so they started theirs. Support for our entry into the First World War was 2%, yet Wilson got Congress to go for it. Why? Not for money, not for power (he already had it), but for his own personal glory. And this country has been following such leaders ever since. This is a true tragedy.
I have to credit to Ike, though. He never seemed bent on war at all. He had seen it and had had enough of it.
March 21st, 2006 at 3:51 pmOK, we’re stuck with King Asshole for a weak leader for the next 3 years. Do we have to listen? Just pull the plug on all his bullshit press conferences and the daily Scotty show, ect. He can stay if he must, but just throw him in the closet and ignore his ass.
March 21st, 2006 at 4:07 pmHeather’s thinking of a new screen name. She’s been punked as a liar, and if she comes back it will be as someone else.
Not the first time someones been wrong on here. Are you kidding me why would I hide, you guys are a riot. I’m compiling your comments into a book called “why are democrats so angry and bitter”.
RightPunch, still looking for that pedophile comment that you say somebody posted. If anyone posted a pedophile comment they should be severely repremanded.
March 21st, 2006 at 4:07 pmIke wasn’t a phaux soldier, like King dumbya, who likes to strap on a flight suit and act like he is actually military.
Let’s see:
dumbya – AWOL, avoided Vietnam, coked and drank instead
Darth Cheney – 5 deferments for service in Vietnam
Newt Ginrich – 3 deferments for service in Vietnam
all hailed by the reichtwingnutz here.
John Kerry – served 2 tours in Vietnam 2nd tour was wounded multiple times, earned bronze star for saving another soldier
roundly Swift Boated by reichtwingnutz here. Apparently he doesn’t have the reicht stuff.
President Clinton – School deferments. Newly crowned King of blowjobs by the newest reichtwingnutz of our community.
Uhhh, you need blowjobs by someone better than Monica Lewinsky to qualify for that “king”ship. But seeing that you’ve “king”ed dumbya, we can see you have very low standards to begin with.
March 21st, 2006 at 4:08 pmHeather’s thinking of a new screen name. She’s been punked as a liar, and if she comes back it will be as someone else.
I’m very very sorry I didn’t realize I was dealing with someone whose vocabulary comes from a Ashton Kutcher MTV reality series.
March 21st, 2006 at 4:10 pmDon’t hate me because I’m right, just smile, read a little (a lot who are we kidding) more and come back when you actually have an intelligent argument. Oh and one other thing, Republicans should stop trying to mimick Rush Limbaugh and you folks need to stop pretending to be Michael Moore puppets. Be your own person, develop your own (intelligent please) opinions, it’s more fun I promise. BE HAPPY PEOPLE
March 21st, 2006 at 4:12 pm
March 21st, 2006 at 4:14 pmComing to a Walmart near you!
The admission by Bush the US troops are going to be in Iraq for the duration of his term is a great political opportunity for the Dems. Now is the time for them to unite around the “Strategic Redloyment Plan” which means withdrawal.
March 21st, 2006 at 4:15 pmConcerning: Comment by A Concerned Citizen:
“This was his plan from the start!!! Bankrupt the USA, Allow Oil companies to RAPE the WORLD and pass the buck to the inheritors of all this blood for oil…..our children, grnadchildren and their kids……how we allow this to happen without a fight is beyond me…..call your corrupt govenment official and let them know how you feel….yell at them so they get the point….harrassment is better than blood
Comment by A Concerned Citizen — March 21, 2006 @ 2:50 pm”
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Good for you! This is exactly what your spineless governement wants you and ever other activist to do so the NSA can start recording your conversations and reserve a jail cell for you in the future !
Do you realize that everytime you support Corporate America by spending your paycheck on the new and latest thing, you are actually supporting the war effort. Is this not what the Oil Companies want? and all the Rich Elite – who own all the Fortune 500 companies – Want? War?
If you really want to put pressure on the Government as an individual, I sugget you get CORPORATE AMERICA where it hurts, “in the pocket book”.
Here is what I did starting back in May of 2003 just 2 months after the War was started to help force change in my own way. I hope 85 Million Americans will do what I have done or some of it to help force change!
A month after the IRAQ I decided to close down my business.
I filed bankruptcy a year later and without a lawyer! (very difficult to do) and I was able to Keep Everything to sell in the future and live on for a few years without having to work!
I have since quit working at all.
I have not paid any federal taxes in 3 years. “If you don’t make 10K a year, you don’t pay taxes, its that simple !
I don’t have a credit card ! So I have a “Balanced Budget” !
My cellphone is $10 a month ! (Trac-Phone…. Best deal on the Market – No Cotract)
I buy things at yard sales (No taxes)!
I go to outreach programs for food and clothing!
I don’t buy products from certain manufactures who give money to Republicans !
I went to 8 different insurance agent offices until I found the cheapest rate possible, in writing!
I will continue driving the same vehicle until the IRAQ War is over.
I have based my current actions in life and liberty on how to do my part to help stop this WAR, Each action I take is carefully evaluated to see if I can do it in a way to save money. This miser minded approach will allow me to not work for Corporate AMerica, Not spend my money in Corporate America Stores; and I will never have to pay back the money that this “Borrow and Spend President” has used in this immoral WAR !
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Now, not everyone can do what I have done and use a crazy “Give Up Your Life” way to revolt but, I will only do this until the WAR in IRAQ is over. I will then try and get back to normal, or what ever that is.
Consider these options in revolting against this Corrupt Corporate America (Government):
Shop until it hurts to find the best price and only buy what is absolultely necessary to survive on a new balanced budget! Yes, that means all the credit cards have to GO! and get a ATM Debit Card that takes money out of your 1 and only checking account.
Tell the family that do to the “HIGH COST OF GASOLINE” and possible economic problems in the near future as a result of G.W. Bush bankrupting America (Insert what you want to say) some things need to be changed for just a little while!
New Rules: 1-10.
You can come up with all kinds of things that can piss off your spouse, children, etc. but, that is not what you wan to do to help stop the WAR in IRAQ.
Choosing to limit excess pleasures and put money towards bills and get out of DEBT!
Who needs 5 cell phones?
Who needs to eat out every night of the week?
Who needs to rent new videos/movides every night?
Who needs to have premium channels?
Who needs to have 1, 2 or 3 new cars that suck on gas (SUV’s)?
Who needs to have multiple homes (Housing Market bubble is here – Sell Now)?
Who needs to working a full-time slave job just pay the bills and other peoples taxes?
Who needs to join a gym when you can walk and run at a park, etc.
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It wont’ be easy save money and help stop the war if you don’t evaluate and plan properly!
Take a seat and spend 3 hours a night for a full week to draw a “reduction of expenses until the war is over plan”. Get feedback from each family member on “If we had to cut back on some things, what could go?”
Most likely your going to get some strong, “What’s the Problem; I can’t do that; We have money in the bank, don’t we?; We can sell the house in the future, pay off the bills and retire in the future with all kinds of money, right?”
I live on a day by day basis with not a worry. Don’t get me wrong, it is not where I want to be at this pion in my life but, that is the beauty of it all -
“I can move or even leave this country if I want to as I don’t owe a dime to anyone!” No bills, no restraints, no problems.
Think about what you can do to limit expense until the WAR IS OVER!
Think about what things you can to do to limit tax payments unitl the WAR IS OVER!
After you get your plan going, convence other family members to do the same thing until the WAR IS OVER!
Since today, March 21, 2006 at his 10 am. (EST) news confernece, Bush made it perfectly clear he has no intentions of pulling our troops out of IRAQ, it is vitally important that you plan to stay the course on a “Reduction of Expeses to Fight the War Plan” for 2 years.
If only 85 million people would do this! What a differece it would make to force policy changes.
We could all say “You are either for the war or against the war” and watch as Elite would call their spin doctors for help!
Well it works for me, and it could work for you.
Do it today.
I call it, “Revolt, Stop Supporting War”
RJC Oklahoma
March 21st, 2006 at 4:19 pmThe admission by Bush the US troops are going to be in Iraq for the duration of his term is a great political opportunity for the Dems. Now is the time for them to unite around the “Strategic Redloyment Plan†which means withdrawal.
I hear you but come on, Democrats unite? You mean the same sorry dems that voted for the war and still the majority of whom can’t say that was a mistake. I hope to god that they grow a pair before November or were all screwed.
March 21st, 2006 at 4:19 pmThe comparison to Cold War is apt, but his strategy is wrong.
Long War
March 21st, 2006 at 4:19 pm“RightPunch, still looking for that pedophile comment that you say somebody posted. If anyone posted a pedophile comment they should be severely repremanded. Comment by Heather Bryce”
Oh sweetie, not only do you dishonestly pretend that you didn’t make the posts, but you ignore #197 where I copy and pasted them.
But I forgive you for lying, it’s what a partisan brain does to avoid reality. I’d like to say you’re a ‘riot’ as well, but sadly, you’re just silly, pathetic, angry and desperate. I forgive you pumpkin.
March 21st, 2006 at 4:20 pm“Don’t hate me because I’m right, just smile, read a little (a lot who are we kidding) more and come back when you actually have an intelligent argument. Oh and one other thing, Republicans should stop trying to mimick Rush Limbaugh and you folks need to stop pretending to be Michael Moore puppets. Be your own person, develop your own (intelligent please) opinions, it’s more fun I promise. BE HAPPY PEOPLE Comment by Heather Bryce ”
Wow sweetie, such good advice, too bad you are like most partisans, and you can’t follow your own advice. I forgive you of your hypocrisy pumpkin. For someone that criticizes Rush Limbaugh and his tactics, it’s funny how much you sound just like him. Poor thing, it must be awful to be you. You have my pity.
March 21st, 2006 at 4:22 pmRightPunch, what have I said, being so angry is very unhealthy. We can disagree and that’s what is so great about America. You don’t have to hate those you disagree with. I still have lots of love for you. I feel very sorry for you but you are my fellow man and I don’t understand the hatred. You are turning out to be a silly silly little man.
March 21st, 2006 at 4:23 pm
March 21st, 2006 at 4:24 pmOh RightPunch, have you found that sick pedophile yet. That kind of posting cannot be tolerated. Unlike my comment about dripping down your fathers leg a pedophile comment would involve some sort of child/sexuall thing. Please try and find it so we can collectively admonish that person.
March 21st, 2006 at 4:25 pmI had to satisfy that person that wanted me to change my name. Sorry my brothers but it’s time to go enjoy life and all the beauty that this world has to offer. I hope you folks succeed with your anger management therapy. GOD BLESS THE US
March 21st, 2006 at 4:26 pmRP,
Heather was saying that your daddy should have let YOU drip down his leg rather than impregnate your mother so that you would have been born. I don’t think that is a pedophile comment.
March 21st, 2006 at 4:29 pmUh Oh RightPunch, somebody else doesn’t think your being very honest. Better hurry and call him pumpkin.
March 21st, 2006 at 4:37 pmYou don’t have to hate those you disagree with. I still have lots of love for you. I feel very sorry for you but you are my fellow man and I don’t understand the hatred. You are turning out to be a silly silly little man.
Comment by Larry R. — March 21, 2006 @ 4:23 pm
Since when do the terms ’sweetie’ and ‘pumpkin’ indicate hatred? If you read his posts with hatred, I can’t imagine how you’re reading everyone elses…
Quick, get some lithium.
March 21st, 2006 at 4:37 pmHeather Bryce aka Larry R. ,
I thought it was time for you to go “enjoy life and all the beauty this world has to offer”…
March 21st, 2006 at 4:39 pmLithium? Not familiar with it’s effects. Is this something that you use regularly? Drugs are a dead end brother, if you want I can find you some help. By the way you’re not fooling anybody with the new name RightPunch.
March 21st, 2006 at 4:40 pmHeather Bryce aka Larry R. ,
I thought it was time for you to go “enjoy life and all the beauty this world has to offerâ€â€¦
March 21st, 2006 at 4:42 pmI had some extra time to spend with my fellow Americans. You don’t mind dissent do you. If I wasn’t here there would be no debate at all. How many times can everyone say Bush is the devil before you get bored.
Lithium? Not familiar with it’s effects.
Where do you live, in a bomb shelter?
Is this something that you use regularly?
I don’t have delusions. But Larry sure does.
Drugs are a dead end brother,
I’m a sister. You must be new. I’m a regular.
if you want I can find you some help.
Send it to Larry, he’s delusional.
By the way you’re not fooling anybody with the new name RightPunch.
Comment by Heather Bryce — March 21, 2006 @ 4:40 pm
And you’re not fooling anyone with your brain.
March 21st, 2006 at 4:43 pmHow many times can everyone say Bush is the devil before you get bored.
Comment by Heather Bryce — March 21, 2006 @ 4:42 pm
We don’t say that. Most of us are not religious, and do not believe in the absurd notion of little red men with horns and pitchforks. Grow up.
March 21st, 2006 at 4:44 pmBen,
That’s one way to read Heather’s comment, the other way to read the comment is incestuous/pedophile based – re-read it.
Perhaps Heather only meant to be ‘rude’ instead of ‘disgusting’, and I think you’re right I should give her the benefit of the doubt.
Heather, I’m sorry if I presumed the worst possible reading of your posting – I’ll grant that your post can have two meanings, and accept that your intention was the least provocative of the two.
March 21st, 2006 at 4:48 pmWe don’t say that. Most of us are not religious, and do not believe in the absurd notion of little red men with horns and pitchforks. Grow up.
REALLY? I think you need to go back and read the other blogs RightPunch. It appears 5 times on this blog. Wait my bad damnit there I go again letting the facts ruin a perfectly good argument.
March 21st, 2006 at 4:49 pm“How many times can everyone say Bush is the devil before you get bored.
Comment by Heather Bryce — March 21, 2006 @ 4:42 pm ”
Sorry, I’m an athiest. I don’t believe in the devil, and I don’t believe Bush is ‘the devil’. I do think he’s much like you however, in that he’s partisan, misguided and easily attacks those that disagree with him without any compassion or human kindness.
And I forgive bush, just as I forgive you – because you’re both frail creatures who desperately cling to your illusions about life, and eagerly smash those around you who are light bringers.
Poor pumpkin, it must be awful living in such fear and hate that you have to project it on everyone that disagrees with you. You know pumpkin, we both want basically the same things, despite your delusional beliefs to the contrary.
March 21st, 2006 at 4:51 pmBen,
That’s one way to read Heather’s comment, the other way to read the comment is incestuous/pedophile based – re-read it.
Perhaps Heather only meant to be ‘rude’ instead of ‘disgusting’, and I think you’re right I should give her the benefit of the doubt.
Heather, I’m sorry if I presumed the worst possible reading of your posting – I’ll grant that your post can have two meanings, and accept that your intention was the least provocative of the two.
I’m sorry RightPunch/unbelievable, nobody but thinks that comment could in anyway be considered a pedophile comment. You need to look into what a pedophile is or you won’t ever be able to identify one and that’s dangerous. Sorry to see your lefties have abandoned you.
March 21st, 2006 at 4:52 pmI’m tired of Heather.
She(?) has effectively threadjacked and we are all complicit. Granted, when the nutz spew shit, we can hardly help ourselves to tell them we’re on to their garbage, but it has made the thread a very tedious one.
Let’s all hope this doesn’t become too regular. Sorry but, that’s how I feel.
March 21st, 2006 at 4:52 pmI had some extra time to spend with my fellow Americans. You don’t mind dissent do you.
Comment by Heather Bryce — March 21, 2006 @ 4:42 pm
aka Larry R
You have posted comments under at least two diferent screen names. I don’t mind dissent, I do mind trolls.
If I wasn’t here there would be no debate at all. How many times can everyone say Bush is the devil before you get bored.
Comment by Heather Bryce aka Larry R
Heather/Larry, you have provided no debate. You started by lying when you said: “Theres plenty of stuff to disagree with the right wingers…”, thus pretending not to be one. You kept lying when you said “I have checked into it and it’s one person using different emails to post. ” -or maybe you were talking about yourself. But there is more: “I thought I remembered being an independent who has criticized the administration countless times on this very blog. ” That’s not true either or you’d know Unbelievable is a woman.
Unless you work with a different definition of “debate”, that is not what you are here for.
March 21st, 2006 at 4:53 pm#225- You’re a “regular”? I have only been posting here for a few months myself, But I cannot recall seeing/reading you around. Were you posting under another name?
March 21st, 2006 at 4:53 pmHeather,
While I’m flattered you would attribute the comments of ‘unbelievable’ to me, she said those things you’re responding to, not me.
But I can’t speak for the others, I can only speak for myself. I don’t believe in the devil.
Besides, how can a religion be monotheist with two gods anyway, even if one is a ‘lesser god’. Christianity is as hysterical, irrational and nonsensical as you are pumpkin. And I forgive you for believing in such a silly thing, while promoting an agenda that from what I can see doesn’t seem very ‘christian’. And certainly not ‘rational’, no matter what the religion is.
March 21st, 2006 at 4:54 pmHey Mike aka RightPunch to fellow bloggers. Do you want me to pick something up for dinner? Oh and Mom called we are invited to Sarahs birthday party on Saturday. Please come home soon you have been on the internet all day.
March 21st, 2006 at 4:55 pm“Lithium? Not familiar with it’s effects. Is this something that you use regularly? Drugs are a dead end brother, if you want I can find you some help. By the way you’re not fooling anybody with the new name RightPunch. Comment by Heather Bryce”
I didn’t realize Tom Cruise posted on the blogs ;)
March 21st, 2006 at 4:55 pmRightPunch don’t try and convince others that I pretend to be christian, you know I’m taoist at best atheist at least.
March 21st, 2006 at 4:56 pmREALLY? I think you need to go back and read the other blogs RightPunch. It appears 5 times on this blog. Wait my bad damnit there I go again letting the facts ruin a perfectly good argument.
Comment by Heather Bryce — March 21, 2006 @ 4:49 pm
I’m unbelievable. Know it’s hard for you neocon losers to tell us nice people apart, but we’re two different people. Look in some older forums and you’ll see that. I just came in and saw you being nasty to a friend and well, we progressives tend to help friends. Know you don’t understand the meaning… probably stole your sister’s husband or stabbed your best friend in the back more times than you have teeth, but really, try to get used to it in here. You won’t pass out so much from clenching yourself into knots over it.
Actually, you need to go back and read the other ‘blogs’ (they are forums or threads, actually. This is just one blog).
And you have no argument, just drivel and conjecture.
March 21st, 2006 at 4:56 pmWhose Tom Cruise, is he a movie guy or something? I try not to be obsessed with people who pretend all day. Mike you know I don’t get wrapped up in your hollywood gossip papers.
March 21st, 2006 at 4:57 pmPoor pumpkin, it must be awful living in such fear and hate that you have to project it on everyone that disagrees with you. You know pumpkin, we both want basically the same things, despite your delusional beliefs to the contrary.
Comment by RightPunch — March 21, 2006 @ 4:51 pm
Every troll here things you’re someone else. Funny huh?
Think MA finally gets that you are not Ryan yet?
March 21st, 2006 at 4:58 pmHeather, Sweetie,
See unlike the really partisan republicans who are few in numbers, and strong in coordination, I don’t know any of the other posters, nor do I know who they are – other than a couple of them that link their websites in.
Just because you post increduously with multiple identifications, please don’t project that practice on the rest of us.
But in the world of the ‘partisan brain’, it must be difficult for you to process how so many articulate and well versed people could disagree with you. I point you to the scientific study about Whiney and Insecure children growing up to be Rigid and Insecure adults.
And I forgive you for your insecure feelings sweetie, I know it must be a big scarey world for someone like yourself. Poor thing, you have my pity.
March 21st, 2006 at 4:58 pmBut I cannot recall seeing/reading you around. Were you posting under another name?
Comment by Cyra Brown — March 21, 2006 @ 4:53 pm
Unbelievable is a regular. She’s been posting for sometime now. Maybe you are referring to Heather Bryce who has posted as Larry R. in this very thread?
March 21st, 2006 at 4:58 pmI didn’t realize Tom Cruise posted on the blogs ;)
Comment by RightPunch — March 21, 2006 @ 4:55 pm
Must be why Tom/Heather is accusing us of duel identities, eh? ;)
March 21st, 2006 at 4:59 pmREALLY? I think you need to go back and read the other blogs RightPunch. It appears 5 times on this blog. Wait my bad damnit there I go again letting the facts ruin a perfectly good argument.
Comment by Heather Bryce — March 21, 2006 @ 4:49 pm
I’m unbelievable. Know it’s hard for you neocon losers to tell us nice people apart, but we’re two different people. Look in some older forums and you’ll see that. I just came in and saw you being nasty to a friend and well, we progressives tend to help friends. Know you don’t understand the meaning… probably stole your sister’s husband or stabbed your best friend in the back more times than you have teeth, but really, try to get used to it in here. You won’t pass out so much from clenching yourself into knots over it.
Actually, you need to go back and read the other ‘blogs’ (they are forums or threads, actually. This is just one blog).
And you have no argument, just drivel and conjecture.
RightPunch/Mike/unbelievable…..what have I said about being so angry. Please we are all humans here on this BLOG. LOVE YOUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS
March 21st, 2006 at 4:59 pm“Every troll here things you’re someone else. Funny huh?
Think MA finally gets that you are not Ryan yet?
Comment by unbelievable”
I don’t mind, I find it kind of flattering actually :)
Although I do think you guys, especially Ryan, could benefit from showing a little more forgiveness and compassion for those who clearly can’t help themselves, their insecurities and their compulsions.
The trolls seem to think they’re doing the right thing – poor things. It’s clear to me that they genuinely believe they’re doing ‘good’ work. But sadly they’re caught up in a dream world, and they’re too afraid to awaken.
March 21st, 2006 at 5:01 pmUnbelievable is a regular. She’s been posting for sometime now. Maybe you are referring to Heather Bryce who has posted as Larry R. in this very thread?
Comment by Gregor Samsa — March 21, 2006 @ 4:58 pm
Thanks Gregor, I think she did mean Heather, who is definitely new. And hopefully temporary…
March 21st, 2006 at 5:03 pmRightPunch/Mike/unbelievable…..what have I said about being so angry. Please we are all humans here on this BLOG. LOVE YOUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS
Comment by Heather Bryce — March 21, 2006 @ 4:59 pm
You really need help. Seriously. Call someone.
March 21st, 2006 at 5:04 pmUnbelievable,
You are very welcome ;-)
March 21st, 2006 at 5:04 pmWe have identified a troll who is trying to derail the thread, and it’s Heather Bryce aka Larry R.
I know temptation to shoot back is great but:
Please ignore the troll.
March 21st, 2006 at 5:04 pm“RightPunch/Mike/unbelievable…..what have I said about being so angry. Please we are all humans here on this BLOG. LOVE YOUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS Comment by Heather Bryce”
Sweetie, I said nothing hateful to you at all, and yet you label me as such. You know dishonesty is the first sign of a lost argument – but I forgive you. Desperate people do desperate acts.
And besides, unbelievable simply stated the kind of violent and hateful exchange she expected you’d have no problem having – she neither advocated doing that, nor did she approve of it. And considering how hateful and angry your attacks on your ‘fellow humans’ are, you would have surely done more yourself in her place.
But I forgive you of your hypocrisy, it’s to be expected from partisans. Poor thing.
March 21st, 2006 at 5:05 pm#242- I was referring to “Heather Bryce”. My apologies to Ms. Unbelievable, I am quite familiar with her, and enjoy reading her posts. I thought HB was trying to “front”. It is a troll tactic, I have observed. Again, I am very sorry.
March 21st, 2006 at 5:06 pmHeather, poor soul, is just desperate for a little love in her life. Poor thing, everyone give her your pity, and I agree, ignore her. It doesn’t help, it just feeds the addiction in her partisan brain.
I forgive you Heather – poor thing, you don’t even know you’re an addict, very sad.
March 21st, 2006 at 5:07 pmAlthough I do think you guys, especially Ryan, could benefit from showing a little more forgiveness and compassion for those who clearly can’t help themselves, their insecurities and their compulsions.
Comment by RightPunch — March 21, 2006 @ 5:01 pm
I’m not serious. It’s all for play. Just sparring with words…
March 21st, 2006 at 5:07 pmPlease ignore the troll.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — March 21, 2006 @ 5:04 pm
You got it!
March 21st, 2006 at 5:08 pmHeather, Sweetie,
See unlike the really partisan republicans who are few in numbers, and strong in coordination, I don’t know any of the other posters, nor do I know who they are – other than a couple of them that link their websites in.
Just because you post increduously with multiple identifications, please don’t project that practice on the rest of us.
But in the world of the ‘partisan brain’, it must be difficult for you to process how so many articulate and well versed people could disagree with you. I point you to the scientific study about Whiney and Insecure children growing up to be Rigid and Insecure adults.
And I forgive you for your insecure feelings sweetie, I know it must be a big scarey world for someone like yourself. Poor thing, you have my pity.
March 21st, 2006 at 5:09 pmMy apologies to Ms. Unbelievable, I am quite familiar with her, and enjoy reading her posts. I thought HB was trying to “frontâ€. It is a troll tactic, I have observed. Again, I am very sorry.
Comment by Cyra Brown — March 21, 2006 @ 5:06 pm
No harm… I knew who you meant :)
March 21st, 2006 at 5:09 pm#256- Thank You :) (I am so embarrassed.) :(
March 21st, 2006 at 5:12 pmLooks like the Yanks got themselves into one hell of a mess now. We saw it coming a LONG time ago but hopefully this will be the splash that will wake up Rightwing God fearin country folk. Just because the current President is an idiot doesnt mean he’s one of your kin folk country boys and girls! Deepest sympathies to clear headed intelligent Americans.
In these dark years it almost seems America will eat itself!
March 21st, 2006 at 5:14 pmCyra,
Please don’t be… I know how fast it all moves and how people can alter stuff or post as different names. Plus, if it makes you feel any better, I went off on someone who was being sarcastic. At least you were graceful in your approach :)
March 21st, 2006 at 5:15 pmTroll? That’s no way to talk about somebody who simply and in a loving way disagrees with you. Dissent is the back bone of our Country and it’s ok to disagree. And yes you caught me I give up I am trying to derail this thread because you folks are the most insane people I have ever come accross. Do you really spend your days patting each other on the back. You all HATE Bush, let me sum up what you spend every day saying over and over again. WAR BAD, BUSH BAD, REPUBLICANS BAD, WAR IS FOR OIL. There now all of you can actually go do something productive with your lives it’s all been said before. Actually Michael Moore said it a long time ago so NON of this is original. So to all of you lunatic Left wing fantatics I say
BUSH = 62,040,606
KERRY = 59,028,109
March 21st, 2006 at 5:15 pmRevolt, Stop Support War
Not oweing people money is a good feeling. No credit cards, no loans, non of that. I have not gone as far as you, but I dont try to live like I am rich on some bankers loaned cash and to me it feels like freedom. Republicans… you can stop trying to show off the money that you borrowed… the rest of us do not care if you are fake rich. We dont believe you are anyway and we have no envy of your loan backed red pickups nor your borrowed money miniMansions. You think you are going to heaven? Well Jesus will be waiting with a leather whip…you all need it… you all deserve it. Your egos mean more to you than your morals…and no I do not mean your borrowed morals from Pat Robertson.
March 21st, 2006 at 5:20 pmOK so going on while ignoring trolls.
Yea, dumbya is gonna leave a stinking pile of crap in whomever’s lap. Not only will the next president get a festering sore that won’t heal in Iraq, but they are gonna look like the grinch who stole christmas when they tell the American public that we gotta raise taxes to pay off dumbya’s tax cuts for the top 2% of all Americans.
If it’s a Democrat who’se elected, (s)he’ll raise taxes across the board.
If it’s a republican who’se elected, he’ll just raise taxes on the bottom 90% of the tax base.
That’s fair as far as they are concerned.
March 21st, 2006 at 5:26 pmIMPEACH
March 21st, 2006 at 5:27 pmBUSH = 62,040,606
KERRY = 59,028,109
Hey Heather… who counted those votes?
March 21st, 2006 at 5:29 pmDoc Arzt,
(S)he is a troll, and has posted under two different names. Do us all a favor and ignore him/her.
As you can see, (s)he obviously had a nervous breakdown, and may be BUI (Blogging Under the Influence), since (s)he does not seem to have control over his/her right hand.
March 21st, 2006 at 5:37 pmone last dig, gregor …
using my own “fristian” powers of observation and diagnosis, it appears that “heather” needs to find out very soon just what lithium is and the benefits it can provide to!
March 21st, 2006 at 5:38 pmTo summarize: I will run the entire country (and other countries if possible) into the ground due to my incompetence, before I will admit my errors. Because I cannot admit my errors or failures, but will certainly be the first one to blame everyone else.
March 21st, 2006 at 5:45 pmI’m with you guys who think Heather is drunk and most likely a man. Who is that obtuse and not on some sort of sedative? Damn republican doctor shoppers and drug addicts. We just can’t trust ‘em. But boy are they lovingly hateful.
March 21st, 2006 at 5:46 pmAnd really, that is the most passive aggressive troll ever. Kinda funny for a change.
March 21st, 2006 at 5:48 pm#278 unless heather is IRI in keyboard drag(trying to sound polite until he is exposed and the 5:15 to 5:19 rant blew his kkkool again)
March 21st, 2006 at 5:51 pmHeather, you forgot these numbers
BUSH: 50,460,110
GORE: 51,003,926
That’s right pumpkin, Bush lost the democratic vote, and was elected on a ‘technicality’, delivered courtesy of the supreme court.
But I forgive you for your ‘fixation’ on the 2004 vote, although you do realize that international vote monitors raised red flags in 2004 citing probable vote rigging don’t you? I’m sure you’re one of those ’screw the UN’ types who doesn’t really care about such things, so I’ll forgive you now for whatever hateful rant, or nonsense post you type.
March 21st, 2006 at 6:00 pmQuite a while back, think it was December 2003, Time Magazine votes The American Soldier as Person of the Year. The magazine followed a squad that was in charge of artillary but was now doing guard duty in and around one of the more dangerous parts of Baghdad. The squad said their objective was to ride shotgun ‘to attract trouble’ and then take the guy down.
I didn’t really see any fight against terror even then. The soldiers appeared unsure of what they were in Baghdad for. At the time forces were still looking for WMDs, and they had just caught Saddam. That was in 2003. Its now 2006. Some of the guys interviewed would probably be dead or injured by now.
In terms of numbers, the US forces have hundreds of thousands of people, but morale by the day goes lower, especially when a buddy dies in a country that is by most counts different from any state in the US. Even just leaving that aside, there is the resources issue. Its now hitting $1 trillion if some of the world’s respected economists are to be believed, and increasing by $200 million. I don’t know how this war can last until 2007, let alone 2008.
March 21st, 2006 at 6:00 pmI think GWB may have “leaked” on himself today. If offering a plan on a reduction of troops in Iraq represents a “timetable”, and that’s a bad thing according to GWB, doesn’t basically saying that they will be in Iraq as long as he is in office, equate to the same thing?
March 21st, 2006 at 6:07 pmKaty,
We agree 100% ;-)
Back to the topic of the thread:
It could not be otherwise. American troops will remain in Iraq for the foreseeable future, regardless of who is the occupant of the White House. This is what the neo-cons at the Project for the New American Century had in mind all along: Control of the “Arc of Instability” (said “arc” conveniently covers oil-rich regions).
Let’s hear it from the horse’s mouth. Here is a letter to Pres Bush signed by William Kristol and Francis Fukuyama, among others:
But even if evidence does not link Iraq directly to the [9/11] attack, any strategy aiming at the eradication of terrorism and its sponsors must include a determined effort to remove Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq.(…) Fighting this war may well require the United States to engage a well-armed foe, and will also require that we remain capable of defending our interests elsewhere in the world.
September 2001 letter to President Bush
This is a report written in September of 2000 by Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld , Paul Wolfowitz, Jeb Bush and Lewis Libby, among others:
March 21st, 2006 at 6:12 pmThe United States has for decades sought to play a more permanent role in Gulf regional security. While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein.
Rebuilding America’s Defences: Strategies, Forces And Resources For A New Century
#284 by Gregor Samsa
Yeah, saw that on Loose Change. I wonder if protests calling for the president’s impeachment with the hope that congress and senate will listen, are enough given the gravity of what he has done based on the assumption what was shown on that program is true.
March 21st, 2006 at 6:30 pmI think the feeling is that Bush will leave all his messes, including the huge debt (currently something like 9 trillion), for the next President to fix. This seems pretty typical of Bush’s life. Ho hum.
March 21st, 2006 at 6:38 pm#284 Nice post, Gregor
#285 Unfortunately, our Congress is currently controlled by the Republicans. While plenty of members of both parties are guilty of doing this, the Republicans have been really bad about putting loyalty to party ahead of loyalty to their country (which is a direct violation of the Code of Conduct for members of Congress.) Senator Feingold was right in that the Congress has to address the fact that the President has broken the law (often and flagrantly). To hold him accounatble, the Republican-controlled House must impeach President Bush, but because of where they place their loyalties, this will not happen.
This is why it is so important for people to go out and vote this coming November, and to vote for someone who will make sure that President Bush’s term ends early due to removal from office. Then, with his presidency ended early, we can start bringing our troops home that much sooner. (Because he already said that they won’t come home while he’s president.)
March 21st, 2006 at 6:40 pmYeah, saw that on Loose Change.
Comment by AR — March 21, 2006 @ 6:30 pm
Sorry, AR -am not familiar with Loose Change. I don’t know what that show presented.
I am infering from the documents that the PNAC people themselves have produced. I cannot read them in any other way: They were going to find an excuse to invade Iraq in order to set a permanenet American presence in the Persian Gulf region.
March 21st, 2006 at 6:44 pmwhat do YOU think? “quickvoteâ€
March 21st, 2006 at 6:47 pmhttp://www.cnn.com/ CNN/ Programs/ lou.dobbs.tonight/
Gregor, When I heard about the “preminate” bases being built by Halliburton in Iraq the numb-skull ideas of the administration of placing our forces in Iraq to moniter the region instead of Saudi Arabia showed as on major reason for regiem change. I mean they couldn’t exactly ask Saddam to rent the space, but the morons who foment foriegn policy think the boundries that the European powers drew after WW1 mean much to the average Arab do not understand the way the Arabs think or live. Almost of the boundry between Saudi Arabia and Iraq is open because it is desert and fully open to cross almost anywhere. The holiest sites of Islam are in Mecca but that is not the limit of sites even to the sunni’s let alone the Shiites where Iraq has many more holy sites. The encampment of troops in Iraq is a step up as to not havinf infedils on holy ground as far as the Muslim mind but a small one. The entire region of the arabian pensula is sacred to the religion so anywhere there is not “proper” from the way they look at it. To the mind of any person who lives in the area they see us as crusaders(remember Bush’s blunder calling our attack to get Osama a crusade?). There is no way they are going to accept us in Iraq any more than they accepted us in Saudi Arabia. The ranks of groups like Al Quaeda will continue to swell until our Boots are off their holy ground, just as we would never accept their military occupation of our ground.
March 21st, 2006 at 7:18 pmI’m compiling your comments into a book called “why are democrats so angry and bitterâ€.
Heather Bryce
Being an author would imply that you possess a greater-than-fifth-grade grasp on spelling, grammar, and readable syntax. It would appear from your posts above that you probably have trouble filling out your forged ’scripts for oxycodone, much less get anything legible down when you finally put crayon to paper.
Oh Dear. Do we need an intervention? We should start with the Delusions of Education, first….
March 21st, 2006 at 7:24 pmHe’s an idiot loser, BUT it’s the American people that voted him in not once BUT twice…… Who’s the bigger idiot of the two?? How sad :(
March 21st, 2006 at 8:25 pmThere is no way they are going to accept us in Iraq any more than they accepted us in Saudi Arabia. The ranks of groups like Al Quaeda will continue to swell until our Boots are off their holy ground, just as we would never accept their military occupation of our ground.
Comment by Clif — March 21, 2006 @ 7:18 pm
The opinion and wishes of the people of Iraq never entered the neo-con equation. This attitude speaks volumes as to their actual commitment to “spreading democracy” in the “Arab world”.
It says a lot right now, when the Bush administration insists on staying put in spite of the carnage that the presence of American troops is causing in Iraq.
Democracy at gun point -it’s an oxymoron to everyone but a neo-con.
March 21st, 2006 at 8:29 pmIf you all think about it for a couple of seconds, Bush’s statement is accurate. I may not agree with the Iraq War or most of Bush’s conservative views, but to attack him on this is senseless. There are so many other things this administration has done wrong , so focus on them instead of exploiting an accurate statement and putting words into his mouth. This is why Republicans look at us as a bunch of irrevelant douchebags, and maybe we are if these are the types of issues we bullshit about online.
March 21st, 2006 at 9:56 pm#285- WWHHHOOOO- Jim, you need to work on your disguise. You are WAAAAAY to obvious. So, buh-buy.
March 21st, 2006 at 10:25 pmI think Bush is actually *asking* us to terminate his presidency early.
Begging us, in fact.
Let’s do the man a favor.
March 21st, 2006 at 11:22 pmOh!!! Seems like some next president is going to be obliged to use the old Nixon phrase in order to try to get of Iraq: «I want peace, but peace with honor!»… that’s goind to be long me friends…
March 22nd, 2006 at 12:23 amI have to admit I misunderestimated the guy. I predicted that he would be the worst president since Hoover. I’d take Hoover again any day.
March 22nd, 2006 at 12:25 amMay I just add my opinion. Bush is an ass…and I wouldn’t have his Karma for anything in this world, but I do hope to see it come back to him..
March 22nd, 2006 at 12:40 amThanks, I feel better now.
#240 -”Think MA finally gets that you are not Ryan yet?”
March 22nd, 2006 at 12:50 amComment by unbelievable — March 21, 2006
*****Either RumPunch and “that other one” are the same – perhaps schizophrenia – or they’re “kissin’ cousins”. They say EXACTLY the same things – from the “partisan brain” drivel (that miraculously only affects conservatives) to the most crude and repugnant personal comments. One laces their diatribe with “pumpkin” and florid “schnookums” AND the alter ego lets loose with a string of “morons” and weird sexual references. But whether they are mental Siamese twins or “blood brothers”, their arguments are trite. The interesting members of the opposition are fun to spar with but with these “two”, it’s a little like watching the 3rd grade Spelling Bee….
“The interesting members of the opposition are fun to spar with but with these “twoâ€, it’s a little like watching the 3rd grade Spelling Bee…. Comment by mighty aphrodite ”
You don’t like to spar with me, because you always lose. And since you brought up the 3rd grade spelling bee, I’m guessing I remind you of someone in 3rd grade who was smarter than you were and beat you. Envy is an old emotion, and it undermines the insecure and the weak like yourself. Maybe you should go get Tom Cruise to hook you up to the E-Meter and get rid of those bad memories. It’s probably cheaper than therapy, and just as likely to cure a whacko like yourself.
And I don’t believe you have partisan brain, I don’t think you have a brain at all! So far you haven’t produced a single original thought in the last 6 months that I’ve seen. My first interaction with you began with you ranting about how I was a communist, and how communism didn’t take into effect human nature. That’s one of the OLDEST, INANE, IRRELEVANT and most UNORIGINAL arguments against liberals
ever made, and it’s DECADES OLD.
Your rhetoric, your values, your ideas, and your beliefs are decades out of date, inconsistent with american history, american values, and basic reason. But then again, when has a Nazi like yourself ever needed to have facts, science or reason to have a belief. You whackos thought that Jews were apes and deserved genocide – science and rational thought has never been your strong suit.
As for ’sparring’, you don’t spar, you spew tired, Boring Zzzz.. rhetoric unrelated to the topic, and irrelevant to the argument.
That’s not sparring, that’s just mental self pleasure from a freak who’s too stupid and too crazy to care about this country, our values, our success or even basic honesty and decency. You’re a disgrace to your religion, your country, your gender(s) and the human race!
March 22nd, 2006 at 1:11 am#293- I think there’s a dung-flecked housefly buzzing around this thread….SPLAT!!!
March 22nd, 2006 at 1:48 am“#293- I think there’s a dung-flecked housefly buzzing around this thread….SPLAT!!! Comment by mighty aphrodite ”
You sure are a dung flecked housefly, and thanks for smacking yourself – it saves me the trouble.
So you still haven’t answered why your ‘timeline’ of your bio doesn’t add up. Did they give you the bio, or were you just too stupid to create one yourself that calculated.
You know, you’re not very good at the troll thing. You aren’t funny. You aren’t articulate. You aren’t novel, interesting or even ‘witty’. You’re just boring, tired, redundant and stupidly juvenile. No wonder you work for this administration – Chertoff and Mike Brown must have hired you, the ‘competence’ shows.
March 22nd, 2006 at 1:55 amI believe Bush is doing the right thing. Iraq has a lot of rebuilding to be accomplished. The enemy is not just Afghanistan, it is Radical Extremist Islam all together. There are several major factors why we are in the Iraq, the two major concerns are Extremist Islamic threat and Oil Control. Not only this but also Iraq’s relationship to Iran, both of whom are Enemy’s. Then we have the problem of Israel, and the majority of Islamic Nations wish for the destruction of Israel and it’s Jewish People. Israel is America’s Ally and the only Democratic Nation in the Middle East. Iraq is the key to suppressing extremist Islamic activity. The Strategic Location and Governmental Status of Iraq comes with the potential to Strenghten the Middle East as an Economic and Cultural Power or turn it into a Super Power War Machine. Imagine Iraq, Iran, Syria, Afghanistan, Egypt all United? Could be a very good thing or a very bad thing according on how we handle Iraq.
March 22nd, 2006 at 3:24 am2321 up 4 since Bushes statement gonna be a lot more dead in 3 years
at the rate of 2 a day for 3 years is going to be another 2100 dead by 2008
bring totals to about 5000
OH well not to worry eh
March 22nd, 2006 at 4:05 amWhat’s Become of Americans?
The neocons have yet to tell us the real reason for their assault on Iraq, which has so far produced 20,000 dead, maimed, and wounded U.S. soldiers, between 30,000 and 180,000 (and rising) Iraqi civilians, and demoralized U.S. Marines to the point that they commit atrocities on women and children.
Would real Americans accept these blows for the sake of an undeclared agenda? Perhaps it is true that Americans don’t live here any longer.
READ THIS
March 22nd, 2006 at 5:16 amSanto Grande – you keep posting this stuff up – get over it – its a ploy to discredit and spin on the whole torture and abuse thing that really happened
Britain did this also by making up phoney pictures of abuse in the papers – teo weeks before the real ones came out
its called SPIN
March 22nd, 2006 at 7:06 amwho cares about wether its the right guy or not the fact is Americans are waterboarding their prisoners by being present in the interegation rooms
March 22nd, 2006 at 7:08 amMy apologies to Gregor for not explaining earlier.
Loose change is an approx. 1 hr documentary (there’s the second updated version out now) that explains how 9/11 wasn’t exactly done 100% by Al-Qaeda and suggests current White House administration involvement.
One thing they said that stands out is the fact that while most buildings after catching fire burnt for days and survived, (in one high rise fire in a country outside US, the top levels collapsed, the rest of the building still stood standing) WTC Towers 1 and 2 collapsed within an hour of the planes crashing into them, making them, as the video says, ‘The first two buildings, with WTC 7 the third building, ever in history to be completely demolished by fire’.
Then the issue of the missing wings, missing commercial jet engines made of high-melting-point Titanium, of the plane that hit the Pentagon, and tail wings. And the fact that the nose of a commercial jet crumples too easily in a collision to make a punch out in the C Ring of the Pentagon.
I not commenting on the reliability of this video, but you might want to see it.
March 22nd, 2006 at 7:51 amSo Impeachment it shall be…
But has anyone of you ever thought of the “Exit Strategy of that”???
Who’s up next?
Is there a candidate AND administration that would for once in the past 50 years really make a difference in this country?
I wish for an impeachment! I long for change but i fear that we, the people will be blinded once more by huge billboards, big political ralley’s telling us nothing and we the people vote once more for someone filling his and his as friend’s pockets…
Think about that next time you have a vote to cast, when you have a discussion with someone about your own and your childrens future…
This society is going straight to hell!
March 22nd, 2006 at 8:26 amDouble D wrote:
Imagine Iraq, Iran, Syria, Afghanistan, Egypt all United? Could be a very good thing or a very bad thing according on how we handle Iraq.
How well we are handling Iraq?
We have destroyed their country, killed there children, women, whole families.
These people have been living in poverty before and now that little bit they had left has been destroyed by us.
After the destruction there is chaos wich we are not able to control.
After the loss of control we are not able to protect those people. No, we kill them ourself, by accident most of the times.
Now. You have basically nothing and then you loose that little bit of what you have left.
I think these people have a right to be angry at us. We are the people who gave our administration the power to do all this!
It is our responsibility that things are the way they are now.
Now we have to change it!
Oh and by the way?
March 22nd, 2006 at 8:43 amI you wonder why there are a few country’s in this world who dont like United states of America?
Check history again…its history repeating…
“BUSH: That, of course, is an objective, and that will be decided by future presidents and future governments of Iraq.”
Translation: “We’ll leave when we’re damn good and ready.”
It’s interesting to note that WWII ended fifty years ago and we’re still the No. 1 military force in Europe. Just a thought.
March 22nd, 2006 at 9:38 amNot a few, its quite a few, esp at man-in-the-street level. Take Japan as example, although the PM is a strong ally to Bush, the Japanese people are pissed that their involvement has made them an Al-Qaeda target.
And notice that after Abu Ghraib it took just 13 months to reach the next 1000 US servicemen dead, when before the scandal broke out it took 18 months to reach the first 1000.
March 22nd, 2006 at 9:39 amOh and by the way?
I you wonder why there are a few country’s in this world who dont like United states of America?
Check history again…its history repeating…
Comment by stookie
Name the ones that don’t like us and I’ll tell you why it doesn’t matter.
March 22nd, 2006 at 9:39 amAnd notice that after Abu Ghraib it took just 13 months to reach the next 1000 US servicemen dead, when before the scandal broke out it took 18 months to reach the first 1000.
Comment by AR
I doubt the scandal had that much to do with it but that was the plan of the Filthy Left.
March 22nd, 2006 at 9:41 amIraqi civilians, and demoralized U.S. Marines to the point that they commit atrocities on women and children.
Comment by Monkey Knut Wrench
That’s a lie.
March 22nd, 2006 at 9:42 amAnd while the ‘mullahs’ of Iran have what we would call an overly strong ‘judicial’ control – Iran does hold very widespread public elections with opposition parties, in a clearly democratic fashion.
Hey Ryan, you are kidding right. An overly strong judicial. You really need to read more. You call putting women and children to death for imagined crimes overly strong. That seems like the biggest understatement of the century. Have you researched this at all. I would be happy to provide some links but I fear that your stomach couldn’t handle the truth. You obviously live in some sort of protected universe where anything that’s “bad” is blocked out. And your comments about voting are just too silly to respond to, except to say have you heard of the Mullahs. Last I checked they decide who the President will be and who gets to run. Sorry to mess up your argument with the truth.
March 22nd, 2006 at 10:05 amMore press have been killed in Iraq than in all of the Vietnam War,
Look it up.
-GSD
Comment by Granite State Destroyer
That’s only because the Vietcong and N. Vietnamese didn’t think of planting their own people as stringers for all the major media outlets.
But it is a shame that the Marines didn’t shoot Dan Rather in Vietnam when they had the chance.
March 22nd, 2006 at 10:08 amOh yes #304 why would you waste your time on a video that is so insane. The WTC buildings are not the first buildings to be destroyed by fire first of all becaue 1. over 100 significant buildings have been destroyed by fire in the last 50 years. 2. the WTC buildings were not just destroyed by fire, it might have had something to do with the jumbo jet flying into them at over 200 miles an hour, just a hunch. Besides it was the first time that a buiding has been subjected to an impact even close to that never mind the tens of thousands of gallons of jet fuel. But you know all of that. I’m sure it wasn’t a plane that flew into the Pentagon, all of those loved ones who haven’t seen their family members since 911 who were on a plane with that same call number must have been whisked off to a remote island and hidden right. GET A LIFE
March 22nd, 2006 at 10:11 amBut it is a shame that the Marines didn’t shoot Dan Rather in Vietnam when they had the chance.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I
Hey I’m on your side but lets not stoop to these brain dead Michael Moore zombies level. These people were actually cheering for Laura Ingraham to suffer and die from her cancer. They can’t disagree in any sort of mature way instead they start acting like 5 year olds and calling names.
March 22nd, 2006 at 10:14 amDidn’t Dan Rather and Mary Mapes try to “double”handedly alter the 2004 election with the easily detected “Memogate”??
March 22nd, 2006 at 10:48 amThat’s funny steve. But, you are pulling the Rovian.
Michael Moore has never suggested that anyone should be killed.
Most reichtwingnutz here have. Many of the rabid national “personalities” of the republican cause have.
Do yourself a favor and stick to things liberals actually do, not what you say they do.
March 22nd, 2006 at 10:53 amHey I’m on your side but lets not stoop to these brain dead Michael Moore zombies level. These people were actually cheering for Laura Ingraham to suffer and die from her cancer. They can’t disagree in any sort of mature way instead they start acting like 5 year olds and calling names.
Comment by Steve W
Oh don’t pay me no mind Steve. Half the fun is stooping to their level. In fact it would seem that’s all they really understand. But let’s talk about Dan. He’s a left wing fucktard who’s been spinning the news for the other side these past thirty years. There’s no telling how many of our people he’s indirectly killed or the harm he’s done to our nation. I’m sure there’s any number of Vietnam veterans who knew Dan in the old days and kick themselves every day for not taking the shot.
March 22nd, 2006 at 10:53 amMost reichtwingnutz here have. Many of the rabid national “personalities†of the republican cause have.
Maybe I shouldn’t have made the comment about Michael Moore, I don’t know any of you and maybe you do think for yourselves. The thing I don’t understand is why you refer to those who disagree with you as Nazis. It’s just as bad as wanting Rather to be shot. There are so many good debates to be had and so many valid criticisms to be made against both parties that no one needs to stoop to that level. I don’t think the Republicans are for Genocide and neither do you.
March 22nd, 2006 at 11:02 amDidn’t Dan Rather and Mary Mapes try to “doubleâ€handedly alter the 2004 election with the easily detected “Memogateâ€??
Comment by mighty aphrodite
It doesn’t matter if they did or not it doesn’t warrant being shot.
March 22nd, 2006 at 11:04 amActually Steve, if you let I-R-I rant on long enough, you’ll see that he has shown more than once that he fits the bill, or should I say jackboot:
This is insane. One one hand Bush didn’t do enough to prevent 9-11 and on the other he’s doing too much to prevent another one while not doing enough to prevent another Katrina. The Left Wing Jew who runs that LA paper should be hung up by his balls if he had any. Ditto the rest of you losers.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — October 19, 2005 @ 3:33 pm
Left wing non religious Jews are the problem. Period. I wonder if the Germans had the same problem with y’all?
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — October 20, 2005 @ 4:04 pm
What is important is to expose those who are the “Jews” of today. Who is it that wants to destroy Christianity? Who is it that says Christians are the enemy? Who is it that persecutes Christians and demeans Christian values and principles at every opportunity? When you can find them you’ll find the real culprit. I-Right-I April 3, 2004
I hate the French, they pretty much invented the Filthy Left.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — October 1, 2005 @ 10:28 pm
Hey, what does a Mexcian know about ethics anyway?
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — September 25, 2005 @ 12:41 pm
I think the lesson here is that if you can’t say something nice about the Negro in New Orleans, don’t say anything at all.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — September 7, 2005 @ 9:43 am
[Mexican corruption] is a problem but nothing a little Puritan Fundamentalist Christianity couldn’t cure. Ever notice that everything the Catholics touch turns to shit?
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — September 22, 2005 @ 2:17 pm
Left wing non religious Jews are the problem. Period. I wonder if the Germans had the same problem with y’all?
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — October 20, 2005 @ 4:04 pm
There’s nothing wrong with the South that a few thousand dangling from the nearest light pole Leftists wouldn’t cure.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — September 4, 2005 @ 1:08 pm
We need more women in the kitchen cooking dinner.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — November 1, 2005 @ 2:47 pm
[Women should NOT vote] Because they f e e l , they don’t think. There are exceptions to the rule and they all agree with me.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — November 2, 2005 @ 5:39 pm
That’s right. The Negroes (not all) still have a problem with that civilization thing and they (not all)aren’t worth a shit at picking leaders.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 8, 2006 @ 1:31 pm
It was the Republicans in congress that moved the American Negro out of the era of Jim Crow and into the Super Bowl.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 8, 2006 @ 1:50 pm
I’d be willing to give up sneaky black professional victims, disease spreading homosexuals and stupid lazy people. Who wouldn’t USA! USA!
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 15, 2006 @ 3:53 pm
Speaking of St. Anne, I like her idea the best. Frankly it’s the only workable solution. “We should invade their countries kill their leaders and convert the rest to Christianity. If I were President that’s exactly what I’d do. I’d begin in Washington D.C.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — February 28, 2006 @ 3:58 pm
The only similarity is that the very same ratbastard communists that aided and abetted the communists are aiding the terrorists, those would be Russia, Red China, Left Wing American Joooz, shit for brains students and International Progressives.
People like John Kerry and Jane Fonda should have been hung as traitors for what they did during Vietnam. My hope is that this country gets hit hard in some place like Berkeley and we use it as an excuse to declare Martial law.
I would dearly love to see the likes of Boxer, Pelosi, Kennedy, Kerry, Gore and Murtha hung for traitors by the US military. It would be a great moment in American history. If that doesn’t happen and this country has to put up with these evil bastards in our government for another ten years we are doomed as a country. DOOMED I SAY!!!
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — March 20, 2006 @ 5:00 pm
There you go Steve, I;ve saved you the trouble of reading I-R-I’s foaming Bierkeller tirades. He is a Nazi, it’s pretty obvious and no, we don’t use the name lightly.
March 22nd, 2006 at 11:28 amTerrytheTurtle I once again stand corrected, that’s an unbelievable collection you have put together. Very disturbing.
March 22nd, 2006 at 11:32 amMaybe Adolf just plays one on TP, I don’t know. If he is for real, I hope they catch him before he takes the Tim McVeigh route to immortality. There’s a decent debate to be had here on TP, if the foaming demagogues on both sides can be avoided. Best of luck.
March 22nd, 2006 at 11:52 amWow. I-RIGHT-I is a true scumbag.
March 22nd, 2006 at 12:38 pmJust like the guy to pass the buck to someone else. I almost expcted to hear him say, a la Poppy Bush, “Would not be prudent at this time”. Well, I think he just sealed his fate as the worst President ever, a failed administration. History will not treat kindly any President that leaves a mess for someone else to clean up. Just look at Carter and Reagan – Reagan got the credit for releasing the hostages from Iran even though the Carter administration oh, so carefully brokered the deal. Carter bore the shame of that whole thing and Reagan is now lauded as The Great Communicator, even though his administration was as ridden with scandal as this one has been. It’s also now pretty much a given that the Alzheimer’s disease that eventually took his life had already begun to take hold during his Presidency and he could laugh off his forgetfulness with a clever joke and a winning smile that made people forget that quite possibly we were seeing the early signs of senility.
Bush’s problem is that he’s a classic “dry drunk” who never went through the proper rehab from his drug and alcohol addictions. “Finding God” is just another addiction. Addictive personalities – and believe me, I have known and do know quite a few of them myself, need something to glom on to, and for Bush, it’s the whole God thing that leads him to some kind of complex that he seems to have fixated on. It’s really sad that he doesn’t recognise his problem and deal with it openly and honestly. We’re stuck with this failed administration for three more L-O-N-G years, by which time the damage to our country might well be irreparable. It’s coming close to that point now, in point of fact. The repair will take generations, well past our natural lifetimes, if that’s even possible anymore.
Farewell to the America I loved.
March 22nd, 2006 at 12:40 pmIt is amazing to me that anyone can actually look at GWB, the man and his policies, and see anything that can be defended. GWB has only one priority, that those who are rich and hold the power in this country get to be richer and more powerful. Every policy and action that comes from the machine behind his presidency is made to serve that end.
How can it not be more obvious. He gives tax cuts to the rich while increasing spending thereby driving this country into greater debt. Why? Because, he will not have to pay off that debt. It will be for the middle class tax payers to pay the debt. He will be rich until he dies. It will not affect him.
GWB does not need health care, he can get any doctor he needs to cure any ailment. He does not need to care about education. His daughters went to Yale. He does not care about retirement benefits, he is rich. He certainly does not care about the environment. Any such regulations only serve to cut profits for him and his buddies.
Why should he care about American kids dying in Iraq. They are not his kids nor the kids of any of his true constituents. If you are rich then by all means you should vote for GWB and his Republican party. They represent you. Any lip service he gives to any of these other policies is strictly meant to get elected.
When any Repulican decides to run they hand them a piece of paper with 3 main points to read aloud.
1) Abortion should be eliminated
2) Stem cell research is evil
3) I hate gay people
After reading that they immediately are handed a large block of voters who don’t care about anything else. Do you really think GWB cares about any of that. There is no money in it. He dutifully read the little piece of paper and got his votes. Somehow just because he makes statements like that some people actually think he is Christian. GWB is a selfserving liar who does not know Jesus.
After 9/11 the whole world was lined up behind us to fight terrorism. The only way terrorism can ever be truly eliminated is for all of the good people of the world to unite against it. George immediately alienated everybody except the Brits who stick behind us no matter what. GWB like to say he is against isolationist policies. It is exactly what he has accomplished in isolating us from the rest of the world where their help could have been used. But then GWB and his buddies would have had to share the wealth and could not have accomplished the task of setting up their own little political and economic stronghold in an oil rich country smack dab in the middle of the Middle East. Share what wealth you may ask. Quite right, through their ineptness they haven’t even accomplished the objective they set out for. They have not yet however abandened the plan. So, how many more of our kids will die before they see that they were wrong. To seek order from the chaos that is the Middle East is lunacy.
I served my country proudly, enlisting in the Air Force and serving 4 years during the Reagan adminstration minding the electronic systems that support our Minuteman ICBM missiles. I will pack up my family and move to Canada before I will let GWB kill my kids to serve his goals. When I see his daughters in uniform in Baghdad standing a post, I will reevaluate.
March 22nd, 2006 at 12:48 pmi mean, i think dean is a dipshit, feingold a teatsucking opportunist and kennedy an actual murderer but i dont wish cancer, death, hell even a broken toe on them. that would be just mean.
Comment by Chase #90
Spaced,
So killing innocent Iraqis, and bankrupting America is what?
…SPORT for you?
March 22nd, 2006 at 12:50 pmTry volunteering at a cancer hospice until you get clue……..
Comment by iconoclast #100
ignorantclast,
…Kiss my rectal suppository…
…then visit a Baghdad hospital/morgue…
I could give less than a sh*t about TREASONOUS Laura Ingraham, umm slutty, or you…
March 22nd, 2006 at 12:54 pmI understand you probably are not very bright so maybe blogs are a bad idea for you.
Comment by Heather Bryce #105
Heather,
…get some fu*king backbone…
…TREASONOUS Bushite inbred bi*ches like Laura Ignorantham have really copulated this country’s future…
…if you LOVE your country, then you should HATE these TREASONOUS inbred Bushite al Cracker sombiches with a passion!
…maybe YOU”RE in the wrong place…
March 22nd, 2006 at 1:02 pmI had some extra time to spend with my fellow Americans. You don’t mind dissent do you. If I wasn’t here there would be no debate at all. How many times can everyone say Bush is the devil before you get bored.
Comment by Heather Bryce #224
Heater,
You’re NO AMERICAN!
You’re a tresonous inbred Bushite
March 22nd, 2006 at 1:14 pmBig Papa, you need to relax a bit. No one is going to take you seriously when you spout off like that. Debating is very healthy, whatever you call what your doing is very unhealhty. It’s ok for people to disagree with you that’s why America is so great. It doesn’t matter how much we disagree with Laura Ingraham, we are happy that we live in a country were she has the right to be so wrong. No serious mature person wishes cancer on her.
March 22nd, 2006 at 1:21 pmOh yes and big papa, Heather was here yesterday but not today so debate something more recent.
March 22nd, 2006 at 1:21 pmLast thing Big Papa, typos are ok but not when it’s your favorite over used word. Treasonous is how it’s spelled.
March 22nd, 2006 at 1:23 pmJust wanted to get your opinions on this. Why do the Dems keep asking why Bush doesn’t send his daughters to Iraq. I haven’t been in this country long but I thought it was illegal for parents to kidnap their kids and drop them off at a military base. I may be wrong but I thought it was up to the ADULTS to decide for themselves if they wanted to join the military. Besides is it that un-reasonable that two mid-twenties girls would not want to join the military. (seems pretty reasonable to me). Oh well never mind it sounds good to say that so it doesn’t matter if it makes sense or not right.
March 22nd, 2006 at 1:27 pmSteve, don’t worry about Little Papa, he is an Un-American communist pig. He is a convicted rapist from Alabama who is still on house arrest and has nothing to do but make things up. I know this because he said it on here a couple of months ago.
March 22nd, 2006 at 1:28 pmErin,
It’s a reference to wealthy republican ‘Chickenhawks’ that always send the sons and daughters of the poor to die for their causes – while they dodge drafts and/or responsibilities themselves. Bush escaped REAL service, through his father’s connections and was given a slot in the National Guard ‘out of sequence’ during Vietnam. Similarly Cheney and Rumsfeld avoided the draft as well. And these supposedly ‘pro-military’ republicans consistently are too cowardly to go fight their own battles, or to send their children into it.
And the point isn’t ‘kidnapping’, unless you consider the ‘draft’ to be kidnapping. The point is that the wealthy and privileged don’t hold themselves accountable to american standards of conduct or decency. Whether it be Laura Bush murdering her teenage boyfriend (happened) and getting off with a warning, or bush not serving his whole national guard duty. The wealthy and privileged republicans cheat.
March 22nd, 2006 at 1:32 pm#334, the ‘Bush twins to the army’ call is a somewhat hyperventilated version of expressing two major criticisms of the Bush Administration:
1. If this is really a war, this ‘war on terra’, then why isn’t the entire nation mobilized to win – by taxing, by organizing the people, by everyone sharing the sacrifices by sending their kids, Pat Tillman-style to fight in Iraq or Afganistan?
2. Bush is widely believed (along with many in the administration, right-wing media and so on) to have dodged Vietnam and then never completed his Guard service because he went AWOL. So why then does he think he has any moral gravitas to send other kids to die, when neither he nor his family is perceived to put anything they care about at risk?
It’s shorter to yell ‘Hey why aren’t Babs and Jenna in uniform?’ than for anyone to say all that. Its a bit Michael Moore, but it makes the point. Also applies to the occasional shorthand of ‘are you in 101st Fighting Keyboards?’ you’ll see every now and again on the blog.
March 22nd, 2006 at 1:36 pmThe point is that the wealthy and privileged don’t hold themselves accountable to american standards of conduct or decency. Whether it be Laura Bush murdering her teenage boyfriend (happened)
Let me try this one more time Ryan, nobody has the option of “sending” their children to war. It’s up to their children. But let me get this straight, the newest lefty conspiracy is that Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend. Are you really that insanse. I do remember one person murdering someone and getting away with it, I think his name was Ted Kennedy. You know the guy whose photo you pleasure yourself to everynight. But see he really did it unlike you just completely making stuff up. Actually it sounds fun, heres something equally credible. Last night a group of 5 large aliens entered Al Gores anus and are now controlling his every move. Serioulsy (happened).
March 22nd, 2006 at 1:38 pmRyan, Rummy was a fighter pilot in the 50s…Cheney sure, you are right on. And I think the Laura Bush allegation is probably as close to the truth as Chappaquiddick – unless you have something we’ve not seen.
March 22nd, 2006 at 1:40 pmTerrytheTurtle, you seem like a honest non-idealogical zombie. It’s actually very refreshing and this site needs more of that. Look I believe I’m on your side and it’s more than fine to criticize the “chickenhawks”. But again we can do it without talking about sending anyones kids to war, because no one can send their kids to war even if they really really wanted to. If my dad were President and wanted to send me to war I’d tell him to get bent.
March 22nd, 2006 at 1:43 pmActually, IRI thinks I’m a ’steaming pile of human feces’, so zombie is a step up.
March 22nd, 2006 at 2:46 pmThe repair will take generations, well past our natural lifetimes, if that’s even possible anymore.
Farewell to the America I loved.
Comment by Sally Burnell
Yeah, so long. Don’t let the door hit you in the ass.
March 22nd, 2006 at 2:50 pmActually, IRI thinks I’m a ’steaming pile of human feces’, so zombie is a step up.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle
No, that was somebody else I was talking about wasn’t it? I’d say you’re just a warm turd but I do thank you for posting “The Best of I-RIGHT-I” once again. It’s always a pleasure to review my past wit and wisdom on a new thread.
March 22nd, 2006 at 2:55 pm1. If this is really a war, this ‘war on terra’, then why isn’t the entire nation mobilized to win – by taxing, by organizing the people, by everyone sharing the sacrifices by sending their kids, Pat Tillman-style to fight in Iraq or Afganistan?
Comment by TerrytheTurtle
For the same reason we don’t want to share the battlefield with the French or Germans. There are some people (like you) that one doesn’t want behind one’s back.
March 22nd, 2006 at 2:58 pm#345 – you are welcome, Adolf. Between Clif and me, today your ‘wit and wisdom’ has you censured by two more people as a scumbag and one (an open-minded Republican apparently) as a Nazi. If you think you are achieving anything with your psychotic xenophobic ravings, you seem to be mistaken.
March 22nd, 2006 at 3:33 pmTerrytheTurtle I wasn’t calling you a zombie, I was saying the opposite. Sorry if that wasn’t clear.
March 22nd, 2006 at 3:46 pmStem cell research….embryonic stem cells have shown NO postive results (NONE). whereas ADULT stem cells have allready been used to cure over 60 diseases.. can you understand that?
Abortion KIlls 1.4 million people a year… 2million a year are waiting to adopt! huh..wonder where the tax base just went to pay for social security? oh yea, in the trash can. nice.
Gay people arent hated…just need to get out of the deathstyle that theyre in. the avg homosexual lives to the ripe old age of 41. my veiw is that the “lifestyle” is wrong….your view is that it is okay….somebody has to be right…and based on the facts i would guess it is God! not you. even though i’m sure you are VERY smart.
March 22nd, 2006 at 3:49 pmGeorge doesn’t want to be put out of his misery via impeachment. If he wanted that, he would go hunting with Dick instead. As with all dry drunks, he doesn’t care what’s right or wrong, he cares that he wins his point. And if that means thousands upon thousands of dead people, Hakuna Metata as far as he’s concerned. They are nothing but fodder for him anyways.
Let’s face it folks, this manchild has failed at everything he has ever tried. He’s used to being bailed out with somebody’s money. Harken. Arbusto. The USA. They are all the same play toys to this fake cowboy who is afraid of horses.
March 22nd, 2006 at 5:44 pmAs a Christian, I find a lot of disengenious behavior associated with the policies of this congress and White House–as well as its blind followers. For one thing, it’s not that impressive to worry about the unborn if you don’t give a rat’s butt if they starve to death after they are born. I doubt that Jesus is impressed. Do I think abortion is a good thing? Mostly no. And the word Most can easily be understood. But I do think this decision is between the person making the decision and God. And one thing I know for certain is I am not God. It’s unfortunate that others think they are. Eventually, when they have their REAL conversation with God, they will find that out rather quickly.
The other thing that bothers me is the ruckus over statues of the Ten Commandments in public places. It is not short of amusing that people would fight so hard to display a graven image of Ten Rules, one of which warns against graven images.
It seems to me that the very people who are judging this entire country’s moral fiber need a little work on themselves first. I don’t even think I need to name names.
I can only use the words of the One these people claim as their own: “Alas, you pharisees. Hypocrits all!”
March 22nd, 2006 at 6:08 pmI am not realy proud to be a swiss citizen, but I can live with it… how can a half of americans get Bush in power, the other half say nothing and all live with it??????????
March 22nd, 2006 at 6:14 pmI am stupid, certainly, but I never could imagine the americans being capable of puting themself in such a level of anti democratie…
Poor americans, the world used to love you, and now?
If you wish to get back the respect and admiration the world used to have for you, put Bush and his friends in prison, hang him with Sadam (to make an exception on death penalty) and give his body to pigeons…
We will then beleive that you are true americans
We “True americans” dont really care WHAT you believe about us! thanks anyway. go back to smokin your weed and your gay porn. lol
March 22nd, 2006 at 7:01 pmYou know, you’re not very good at the troll thing. You aren’t funny. You aren’t articulate. You aren’t novel, interesting or even ‘witty’. You’re just boring, tired, redundant and stupidly juvenile. No wonder you work for this administration – Chertoff and Mike Brown must have hired you, the ‘competence’ shows.
Comment by Ryan Neat — March 22, 2006 @ 1:55 am
Well, so you seem to have discovered the perfect means for getting MA to go away. Mention the utter lack of fluency in her ‘timeline’… Definitely does not add up. Plus, she doesn’t have the cultural tendancies of someone in my generation (X). Rather, she speaks like someone from my father’s generation (WWII).
Congratulations.
March 22nd, 2006 at 7:02 pmTypical lib…instead of dealing with the facts, you resort to namecalling..figures. go read post #350 for your daily truth.
March 22nd, 2006 at 7:23 pmAbortion KIlls 1.4 million people a year…
Comment by Right is Right! — March 22, 2006 @ 3:49 pm
I’d rather hit myself in the head with a hammer – repeatedly – than engage anyone who actually says that abortion kills people…
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a bor tion Pronunciation Key (-bôrshn) n.
Termination of pregnancy and expulsion of an embryo or of a fetus that is incapable of survival.
Any of various procedures that result in such termination and expulsion. Also called induced abortion.
The premature expulsion of a nonviable fetus from the uterus; a miscarriage.
Cessation of normal growth, especially of an organ or other body part, prior to full development or maturation.
An aborted organism.
Something malformed or incompletely developed; a monstrosity.
March 22nd, 2006 at 7:50 pmRegarding all posts from “Right is Right”, Okay, who forgot to flush?!? And don’t forget to use the air freshener! Smells like something died in here.
March 22nd, 2006 at 9:55 pm#355, let me add my data point on MA to the list – she told me once that her Dad was a B-17 pilot – now deceased. We were talking about ‘what good was the New Deal anyway?’ Funny the B-17 stuff didn’t come up again after I brought up the GI Bill.
March 22nd, 2006 at 10:05 pm357: Just finishing up my taxes – did we say I could or could not claim the embryos we have frozen down at the fertility clinic? We can give them all names if that helps..
March 22nd, 2006 at 10:09 pmwell after reading some of these posts, most of you are dead in here… hence the smell.. anyway lets take a look at the second law of thermodynamics okay..
matter goes from a complex or concentrated state to a less complex or dispersed state. keep in mind this IS a “scientific” Law.
darwin’s “theory” says that things fo from a simple state to a more complex state.
doesnt seem to jive does it? thats because its a theory and a lie. the single worst lie ever told or believed.
start by “knowing” that there IS a Creator, then we can start to work on the other problems in society that has NOT gotten better even with all the “progressive” thinking going on. i’ll be here all week. thanks
March 22nd, 2006 at 10:34 pmdarwin’s “theory†says that things fo from a simple state to a more complex state.
doesnt seem to jive does it? thats because its a theory and a lie. the single worst lie ever told or believed.
Comment by Right is Right! — March 22, 2006 @ 10:34 pm
Not that this is even remotely relevant to the topic of the thread, but here I go nonetheless:
“Evolution has never been observed.”
Biologists define evolution as a change in the gene pool of a population over time. One example is insects developing a resistance to pesticides over the period of a few years. Even most Creationists recognize that evolution at this level is a fact. What they don’t appreciate is that this rate of evolution is all that is required to produce the diversity of all living things from a common ancestor.
Evolution violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
This shows more a misconception about thermodynamics than about evolution. The second law of thermodynamics says, “No process is possible in which the sole result is the transfer of energy from a cooler to a hotter body.” [Atkins, 1984, The Second Law, pg. 25] Now you may be scratching your head wondering what this has to do with evolution. The confusion arises when the 2nd law is phrased in another equivalent way, “The entropy of a closed system cannot decrease.” Entropy is an indication of unusable energy and often (but not always!) corresponds to intuitive notions of disorder or randomness. Creationists thus misinterpret the 2nd law to say that things invariably progress from order to disorder.
“Evolution is only a theory; it hasn’t been proved.”
What evolution has is what any good scientific claim has–evidence, and lots of it. Evolution is supported by a wide range of observations throughout the fields of genetics, anatomy, ecology, animal behavior, paleontology, and others. If you wish to challenge the theory of evolution, you must address that evidence. You must show that the evidence is either wrong or irrelevant or that it fits another theory better. Of course, to do this, you must know both the theory and the evidence.
TalkOrigins: Five Major Misconceptions about Evolution
The Pattern of Macroevolution
March 22nd, 2006 at 11:43 pmEvolution is not progress. The popular notion that evolution can be represented as a series of improvements from simple cells, through more complex life forms, to humans (the pinnacle of evolution), can be traced to the concept of the scale of nature. This view is incorrect.
All species have descended from a common ancestor. As time went on, different lineages of organisms were modified with descent to adapt to their environments. Thus, evolution is best viewed as a branching tree or bush, with the tips of each branch representing currently living species. No living organisms today are our ancestors. Every living species is as fully modern as we are with its own unique evolutionary history. No extant species are “lower life forms,” atavistic stepping stones paving the road to humanity.
TalkOrigins: Introduction to Evolutionary Biology
Gregor,
You have more patience than I do…. ;)
I’ve begun to believe that most people take the path of least resistance because it is easy. “Tell me what to do, so I can blame YOU when I fail because I’d rather be watching desperation television than learning anything for myself” should be our motto as a nation. I just don’t know how people can live in such depths of denial.
Some of us are evolving ‘better’ brains while others are watching their lineage atrophy cerebral matter like an appendix or coccyx bone…
March 23rd, 2006 at 8:42 am#355, let me add my data point on MA to the list – she told me once that her Dad was a B-17 pilot – now deceased. We were talking about ‘what good was the New Deal anyway?’ Funny the B-17 stuff didn’t come up again after I brought up the GI Bill.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — March 22, 2006 @ 10:05 pm
I wonder who she is trying to impress more… a bunch of people she claims to dislike and distrust, or herself…
March 23rd, 2006 at 8:44 amIt’s interesting to note that WWII ended fifty years ago.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — March 22, 2006 @ 9:38 am
To I-WRONG-I,
March 23rd, 2006 at 10:27 amFor the record, World War II ended in 1945. If that’s “50 years ago,” then this year is still 1995. You certainly do make quite a case for your vaunted home-schooling.
You don’t mind dissent do you. … How many times can everyone say Bush is the devil before you get bored.
Comment by Heather Bryce —
And, Heather dear, how many times can you write sentences that are clearly questions without using question marks (not to mention certain commas and periods where required)?
March 23rd, 2006 at 10:38 amAnd, Heather dear, how many times can you write sentences that are clearly questions without using question marks (not to mention certain commas and periods where required)?
Comment by Lora
You think only Left Wing Fucktards suffer from the product put out by the NEA and this nation’s teachers?
Judd…this person should be banned. We should not allow some Grammar Nazi to cause the products of public education to feel any loss of self esteem whether on the Left or the Right.
March 23rd, 2006 at 11:15 amYou think only Left Wing Fucktards suffer from the product put out by the NEA and this nation’s teachers?
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — March 23, 2006 @ 11:15 am
You think you can do better? Then why don’t you spend your time being pro-active instead of whining like the people you claim to hate for whining?
March 23rd, 2006 at 12:49 pmIt doesn’t matter how much we disagree with Laura Ingraham, we are happy that we live in a country were she has the right to be so wrong. No serious mature person wishes cancer on her.
Comment by Steve W.#332
Steve,
I really appreciate your feedback…
…I guess I do tend to take this situation too seriously…
…after all it’s only a bunch of raghead Iraqis, and misguided american youngsters who are dying and getting maimed, right?
…I really shouldn’t be so upset with TREASONOUS anti-American, right wing racist propagandists like Laura Ingraham, who spport this mass murder and bankrupting of America…
…and I REALLY should control my impulse to tell you to kiss my entire a*s…
…you peddle that sunny side of the street sh*t somewhere else…
…and as for my spelling errors you get the gist…sh*thead…
March 23rd, 2006 at 1:16 pmYou think only Left Wing Fucktards suffer from the product put out by the NEA and this nation’s teachers?
Judd…this person should be banned. We should not allow some Grammar Nazi to cause the products of public education to feel any loss of self esteem whether on the Left or the Right.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I —
I-WRONG-I
March 23rd, 2006 at 4:41 pmYou’re a riot! You regularly use foul language and more incorrect grammar and spelling than I have bothered to try to correct, and now you think I should be banned for politely making a few suggestions for better grammar? Or are you upset that I pointed out to you that World War II ended not “50 years ago” but in 1945–about 60 years ago? You’re the Nazi, Buddy!
I-WRONG-I
You’re a riot! You regularly use foul language and more incorrect grammar and spelling than I have bothered to try to correct,
Nonsense, all my expletives are spelled correctly and perfectly phrased.
and now you think I should be banned for politely making a few suggestions for better grammar?
There is no such thing as a polite leftwingfucktard.
Or are you upset that I pointed out to you that World War II ended not “50 years ago†but in 1945–about 60 years ago?
Yes, you can’t imagine how that stung.
You’re the Nazi, Buddy!
Comment by Lora
You’re a numbnuts Lora.
March 23rd, 2006 at 4:53 pmNonsense, all my expletives are spelled correctly and perfectly phrased
Comment by I-RIGHT-I —
To I-WRONG-I,
March 23rd, 2006 at 6:51 pmYour expletives maybe but not a lot else.
I will not bother answering to any more of your insults and expletives for the time being. It’s a waste of my time, and I seriously doubt that you have convinced anyone here but your fellow trolls of your imaginary “intelligence and superiority.”
To I-WRONG-I,
Your expletives maybe but not a lot else.
I will not bother answering to any more of your insults and expletives for the time being. It’s a waste of my time,
Comment by Lora
Yeah, yeah, that’s what they all say. The truth is, “All your ass are belong to me.”
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