Comment by Lora

It’s the European’s responsibility to clean up the mess. They’re the ones that made it. I think that’s been the position of every President since FDR. But the dirty fact of the matter is this; we’ve got our own Negro problem and sure don’t want to take on another one.

If I need a history lesson, you most definitely need a spelling (”tode”?!) and grammar lesson before we even get into history.

Are you volunteering? That would be the blind leading the blind wouldn’t it?

And incidentally, I have a husband. Thank you for your concern.

That doesn’t mean you’re getting laid though does it?

Comment by Paul in LA —

Ha-ha!

The attack on Kosovo was sanctioned by the UN? Really? Can you point out to me the UN resolution allowing the use of force in Kosovo? Bzzzt. Wrong. I simply talked about Clinton for comparison, and it seems you already fell into the trap I set for you. Kosovo was no more legal than the Iraq war was, yet you think it was.

Paul in LA,

1. You dodged actually admitting that the Kosovo campaign was every bit as illegal as the Iraq war. I’m not sure how you can compare the mass-murderings of Milosevic to the decades long genocide that Saddam Hussein was guilty of, but whatever you have to do to reinforce your view that one of them was correct, while the other was not.

2. Standard off-topic tangent about Bush stealing elections. I was there in 2000 hoping Gore was going to come out on top. He didn’t. Deal with it. I did.

3. Bush has violated fifteen federal laws? Well gosh, the Democrats better get busy on the Hill proposing impeachment then shouldn’t they? Take Bush to court. I don’t care. You’ll probably nail him on something, but it will be just as inconsequential as what the Republicans did to Clinton. In the end, it’s all a partisan political charade.

4. So the CIA violated the UN Charter by infiltrating UNSCOM on Clinton’s watch? Gosh, which part of the UN Charter would that be? Does that mean we should blame Clinton for that, just like you blame every single action by every single CIA agent and military soldier on Bush? Don’t let that double standard hit you on the way out. Oh, and nice dodge, by the way. The attack on Iraq in 1998 was also “illegal”. Can’t bring yourself to admit it can you? In fact, Russia blasted the Clinton administration for being “unilateral” back then in the UN. Ah, how things change…

5. “Did either Clinton or JFK make a single cent on those actions? Did either LIE to the US about those actions? Did either LIE to the Congress about those actions? NO. No comparison to the Bush illegal invasion, which has at its root a totally illegal plan to install permanent airbases in a dismantled Iraq.”

Uh, yes. Clinton and JFK did lie. Let’s pretend that you can prove that Bush is making any money off this war. Now, does that in itself make the war wrong? Is installing permanent bases in Iraq really all that foolish considering the current world situation? Think about it, instead of just leaning back on your partisan ideology.

6. That’s correct, because regime change by force is ILLEGAL under its charter.

Oh, so the Kosovo invasion to remove Milosevic from power was illegal? Gosh how things change during the flow of your argument.

7. MOOT, even if it were true. The illegal invasion of Iraq has committed GENOCIDE, which is illegal, has violated the Geneva and Hague accords, which is illegal, has violated the War Crimes Act, which is illegal, has violated the War Powers Act, which is illegal, and has violated the Torture Ban, both at the UN and our own federal law.

I’m glad you didn’t deny this outright, shows you at least have some capacity for reflected thought. However, how is it moot? The entire reason the war is illegal is because the Security Council did not approve of it. Directly associated with this is the fact that many of the members on that council were bribed and bought off by Saddam Hussein. In other words, Saddam Hussein bribed them to make the war illegal. Yet you say that is moot??

As for your ridiculous use of the word genocide, open a dictionary, please.

Yes, US soldiers have violated the Geneva Conventions. So has the international news media. It’s a war, shit happens. Just like there are criminals in every peaceful society on the face of the Earth, there are criminals among our military forces in Iraq. Pointing that out is like smearing the entire USA for the actions of a few criminals within the USA. Same goes for the other things you mentioned.

8. There is ZERO comparison of those multiple warcrimes and federal crimes in either Clinton or JFK’s term.

Yeah, JFK’s illegal invasion of Cuba, his illegal involvement in Vietnam, wiretapping of Martin Luther King, and on, and on, and on. Clinton’s many illegal attacks on Iraq and actions in Kosovo. You know why there is ZERO comparison? Because none of the things JFK and Clinton did actually solved much of any problem. Kosovo is still a hell-hole under occupation by the UN – 7 years later. Vietnam, well, I think you know how that turned out. Cuba, well, I think you know how that turned out. With Iraq, we have already accomplished more than Clinton and JFK managed to do in their illegal actions, combined. The Bush administration has liberated 50 million people from oppression and given them at least a beginning of democracy and hope. What did JFK and Clinton do?

Oh, right. JFK and Clinton helped Americans, but not much of anyone else. I guess that’s why you like him. I’m more internationally and historically conscious.

Really. Quote the article in the Constitution that says that.

They don’t vote on US treaty acceptance or rejection in France – THANK GOD!” –mighty aphrodite

Wow, what an eye opener. No, afro, Right-I claimed there was no such thing as international law. Are you as stupid as him?

“This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land…ALL EXECUTIVE and judicial OFFICERS, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution.”

Treaties, once ratified by the Senate, are THE LAW OF THE UNITED STATES, which ALL EXECUTIVES are BOUND BY OATH to uphold as “the supreme law of the land.”

There’s NOTHING in the Constitution that says that the Executive, because of war powers, is entitled to pick and choose the laws he follows.

Curse you people to hell for harming the Constitution — first, for impeaching Clinton over trivial causes, refusing to impeach Bush for major crimes with 100,000 people dead as a result, and then going along with his claim on an absolute power above the Constitution. Damn you to hell.

And Mama Babs made a donation, not to the Katrina victims, but to her OWN SON.She is a thoughtful, warm, wonderful person, dont you think?