Comments on: Rumsfeld: ‘We Probably Deserve a D or a D+’ In the Battle of Ideas http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/rumsfeld-we-probably-deserve-a-d-or-a-d-in-the-battle-of-ideas/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 21:15:10 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: otachan http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/rumsfeld-we-probably-deserve-a-d-or-a-d-in-the-battle-of-ideas/comment-page-1/#comment-489536 otachan Wed, 29 Mar 2006 18:59:16 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/rumsfeld-we-probably-deserve-a-d-or-a-d-in-the-battle-of-ideas/#comment-489536 I remember that smug sumbitch Rumsfeld standing there behind Bush talking about "fighting the evildoers at home". They both _knew_ Saddam has nothing at all to do with 9/11 and for the American people it was NEVER about WMDs, they wanted revenge on Osama. He just stood behind Bush smirking as he thought about the money and status he'd get from this little adventure. Straight faced lying to us time and time again and still we feel we have to support these rat bastards.. I'm not saying impeaching Clinton was wrong but if that was right then this administration deserves much much worse. I remember that smug sumbitch Rumsfeld standing there behind Bush talking about “fighting the evildoers at home”. They both _knew_ Saddam has nothing at all to do with 9/11 and for the American people it was NEVER about WMDs, they wanted revenge on Osama.

He just stood behind Bush smirking as he thought about the money and status he’d get from this little adventure. Straight faced lying to us time and time again and still we feel we have to support these rat bastards..

I’m not saying impeaching Clinton was wrong but if that was right then this administration deserves much much worse.

]]> By: mr Pib http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/rumsfeld-we-probably-deserve-a-d-or-a-d-in-the-battle-of-ideas/comment-page-1/#comment-489383 mr Pib Wed, 29 Mar 2006 16:40:29 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/rumsfeld-we-probably-deserve-a-d-or-a-d-in-the-battle-of-ideas/#comment-489383 they deserve to be jailed ...for life http://www.impeachbush.tv/ http://www.impeachbush.org/site/PageServer?pagename=homepage they deserve to be jailed …for life

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]]> By: keepinon http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/rumsfeld-we-probably-deserve-a-d-or-a-d-in-the-battle-of-ideas/comment-page-1/#comment-488876 keepinon Wed, 29 Mar 2006 00:21:17 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/rumsfeld-we-probably-deserve-a-d-or-a-d-in-the-battle-of-ideas/#comment-488876 Talk about grade inflation!<strong></strong> Talk about grade inflation!

]]> By: boing http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/rumsfeld-we-probably-deserve-a-d-or-a-d-in-the-battle-of-ideas/comment-page-1/#comment-488357 boing Tue, 28 Mar 2006 19:25:21 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/rumsfeld-we-probably-deserve-a-d-or-a-d-in-the-battle-of-ideas/#comment-488357 that is mistaking the fact that the ideas were bad in the first place, and not so much the sales pitch. They had nothing but sales pitch, but without electricity the Iraqis can't watch Fox/CNN/MSNBC to get the propaganda they are being catapulted. that is mistaking the fact that the ideas were bad in the first place, and not so much the sales pitch. They had nothing but sales pitch, but without electricity the Iraqis can’t watch Fox/CNN/MSNBC to get the propaganda they are being catapulted.

]]> By: Martin Ostrye http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/rumsfeld-we-probably-deserve-a-d-or-a-d-in-the-battle-of-ideas/comment-page-1/#comment-488139 Martin Ostrye Tue, 28 Mar 2006 15:54:48 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/rumsfeld-we-probably-deserve-a-d-or-a-d-in-the-battle-of-ideas/#comment-488139 The problem is, the only idea they have is war. The problem is, the only idea they have is war.

]]> By: Evil Spaniard http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/rumsfeld-we-probably-deserve-a-d-or-a-d-in-the-battle-of-ideas/comment-page-1/#comment-487888 Evil Spaniard Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:38:09 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/rumsfeld-we-probably-deserve-a-d-or-a-d-in-the-battle-of-ideas/#comment-487888 When the battle of ideas reaches Z-, they will continue with the cyrillic or the greek alphabet? When the battle of ideas reaches Z-, they will continue with the cyrillic or the greek alphabet?

]]> By: Jay Randal http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/rumsfeld-we-probably-deserve-a-d-or-a-d-in-the-battle-of-ideas/comment-page-1/#comment-487884 Jay Randal Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:27:15 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/rumsfeld-we-probably-deserve-a-d-or-a-d-in-the-battle-of-ideas/#comment-487884 I give Rumsfeld a big fat F for FAILURE, so he needs to pack his bags and get the hell out of DC before we tar and feather his lying criminal ass! Go back to New Mexico Rummy > maybe the Taos Pueblo Indians will scalp him?! I give Rumsfeld a big fat F for FAILURE, so he needs to pack his bags and get the hell out of DC before we tar and feather his lying criminal ass! Go back to New Mexico Rummy > maybe the Taos Pueblo Indians will scalp him?!

]]> By: Alexander Wolfe http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/rumsfeld-we-probably-deserve-a-d-or-a-d-in-the-battle-of-ideas/comment-page-1/#comment-487851 Alexander Wolfe Tue, 28 Mar 2006 06:06:37 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/rumsfeld-we-probably-deserve-a-d-or-a-d-in-the-battle-of-ideas/#comment-487851 Not only that, but I'd give them a D or D+ in the actually battle of battling, given how they've handled the actual fighting of the insurgency. Our response to the insurgency has included the not-so-useful counter-insurgency tactics of precision bombing of houses full of civilians, night-time arrests of Iraqis uninvolved in the insurgency, and full on re-invasions of hostile territories. "Transformation", it's not. Not only that, but I’d give them a D or D+ in the actually battle of battling, given how they’ve handled the actual fighting of the insurgency. Our response to the insurgency has included the not-so-useful counter-insurgency tactics of precision bombing of houses full of civilians, night-time arrests of Iraqis uninvolved in the insurgency, and full on re-invasions of hostile territories. “Transformation”, it’s not.

]]> By: quicksand http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/rumsfeld-we-probably-deserve-a-d-or-a-d-in-the-battle-of-ideas/comment-page-1/#comment-487798 quicksand Tue, 28 Mar 2006 03:16:53 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/rumsfeld-we-probably-deserve-a-d-or-a-d-in-the-battle-of-ideas/#comment-487798 Rumsfeld was not discussing their (neo-con) ideas per se, but more blame the media and the criticism they are recieving as the excuse for why they are losing the debate about Iraq and the grade that he self-assigns. Also, notice Rumsfeld speech was in front of an Army college (name escapes me at the moment). These clowns dress themselves up in the army and continually undercut that same military who they send to die for whatever reason of the moment. Rumsfeld was not discussing their (neo-con) ideas per se, but more blame the media and the criticism they are recieving as the excuse for why they are losing the debate about Iraq and the grade that he self-assigns.

Also, notice Rumsfeld speech was in front of an Army college (name escapes me at the moment). These clowns dress themselves up in the army and continually undercut that same military who they send to die for whatever reason of the moment.

]]> By: rMatey http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/rumsfeld-we-probably-deserve-a-d-or-a-d-in-the-battle-of-ideas/comment-page-1/#comment-487791 rMatey Tue, 28 Mar 2006 02:49:53 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/rumsfeld-we-probably-deserve-a-d-or-a-d-in-the-battle-of-ideas/#comment-487791 Rumdum gets an "I" for either incomplete assignments (war plans) or Incompetence, in which case as a soldier he should be shot at sunrise. Rumdum gets an “I” for either incomplete assignments (war plans) or Incompetence, in which case as a soldier he should be shot at sunrise.

]]> By: Innocent Bystander http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/rumsfeld-we-probably-deserve-a-d-or-a-d-in-the-battle-of-ideas/comment-page-1/#comment-487759 Innocent Bystander Tue, 28 Mar 2006 01:38:20 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/rumsfeld-we-probably-deserve-a-d-or-a-d-in-the-battle-of-ideas/#comment-487759 Here's an idea. Let's elect a Democratic majority in the House ans Senate and impeach the war criminals who got us into this mess. Then we can figure how we exit Iraq and get our international reputation back. Here’s an idea. Let’s elect a Democratic majority in the House ans Senate and impeach the war criminals who got us into this mess. Then we can figure how we exit Iraq and get our international reputation back.

]]> By: devin http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/rumsfeld-we-probably-deserve-a-d-or-a-d-in-the-battle-of-ideas/comment-page-1/#comment-487742 devin Tue, 28 Mar 2006 01:09:32 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/rumsfeld-we-probably-deserve-a-d-or-a-d-in-the-battle-of-ideas/#comment-487742 I'd say an "F" is a more realistic grade for Rummy & the Gang on Iraq...and it's on it way to being an "F-" as for Karen and Condi...the Girlscouts of America would do a better job at 'selling' ideas! I’d say an “F” is a more realistic grade for Rummy & the Gang on Iraq…and it’s on it way to being an “F-” as for Karen and Condi…the Girlscouts of America would do a better job at ’selling’ ideas!

]]> By: Marie http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/rumsfeld-we-probably-deserve-a-d-or-a-d-in-the-battle-of-ideas/comment-page-1/#comment-487729 Marie Tue, 28 Mar 2006 00:59:46 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/rumsfeld-we-probably-deserve-a-d-or-a-d-in-the-battle-of-ideas/#comment-487729 If he gives the administration a grade of D ( and we can assume he is not being too harsh on himself) why in the hell are they still in office? They should all resign en masse after begging for help in cleaning up the mess they have made. If he gives the administration a grade of D ( and we can assume he is not being too harsh on himself) why in the hell are they still in office?
They should all resign en masse after begging for help in cleaning up the mess they have made.

]]> By: Mr Blifil http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/rumsfeld-we-probably-deserve-a-d-or-a-d-in-the-battle-of-ideas/comment-page-1/#comment-487727 Mr Blifil Tue, 28 Mar 2006 00:59:20 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/rumsfeld-we-probably-deserve-a-d-or-a-d-in-the-battle-of-ideas/#comment-487727 You know, some D students get expelled, if they keep it up long enough. Or they drop out. You know, some D students get expelled, if they keep it up long enough. Or they drop out.

]]> By: Erroll http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/rumsfeld-we-probably-deserve-a-d-or-a-d-in-the-battle-of-ideas/comment-page-1/#comment-487719 Erroll Tue, 28 Mar 2006 00:48:23 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/rumsfeld-we-probably-deserve-a-d-or-a-d-in-the-battle-of-ideas/#comment-487719 If the Bush Administration is doing a poor job trying to promote the "battle of ideas", they are doing a far worse job of winning over the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people. Recently, according to the Iraqi police, American soldiers executed 11 people, including a 75 year old woman and a 6 month old child in the village of Abu Sifa, about 60 miles north of Baghdad. Apparently, their tip of an al-Qaeda operative was not all that accurate. About the same time, Time magazine reported that in Haditha, 23 Iraqi civilians were murdered, "including seven women and three children still in their nightclothes", according to the London Independent. Incidents like these will be the reasons why the Iraqis, like the Vietnamese during the Vietnam War, will continue fighting as long as they can breathe in order to expel the United States from their homeland. If the Bush Administration is doing a poor job trying to promote the “battle of ideas”, they are doing a far worse job of winning over the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people. Recently, according to the Iraqi police, American soldiers executed 11 people, including a 75 year old woman and a 6 month old child in the village of Abu Sifa, about 60 miles north of Baghdad. Apparently, their tip of an al-Qaeda operative was not all that accurate. About the same time, Time magazine reported that in Haditha, 23 Iraqi civilians were murdered, “including seven women and three children still in their nightclothes”, according to the London Independent. Incidents like these will be the reasons why the Iraqis, like the Vietnamese during the Vietnam War, will continue fighting as long as they can breathe in order to expel the United States from their homeland.

]]> By: Ho Chi Minh http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/rumsfeld-we-probably-deserve-a-d-or-a-d-in-the-battle-of-ideas/comment-page-1/#comment-487697 Ho Chi Minh Tue, 28 Mar 2006 00:26:41 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/rumsfeld-we-probably-deserve-a-d-or-a-d-in-the-battle-of-ideas/#comment-487697 Can Rummy spell Q-U-A-G-M-I-R-E? People,<em>"we're waist deep in the big muddy, and the big fool says to push on"</em> Can Rummy spell Q-U-A-G-M-I-R-E? People,“we’re waist deep in the big muddy, and the big fool says to push on”

]]> By: Abby http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/rumsfeld-we-probably-deserve-a-d-or-a-d-in-the-battle-of-ideas/comment-page-1/#comment-487688 Abby Tue, 28 Mar 2006 00:13:23 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/rumsfeld-we-probably-deserve-a-d-or-a-d-in-the-battle-of-ideas/#comment-487688 As it turns out, even the British ideas about how to fight the war on terror and how to handle the "war" in Iraq were <a href="http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=20060403&s=massie040306" rel="nofollow">thrown into the dumpster in sheer contempt</a>. Our chickhawks could talk a better war than anybody else and they thought that is all it would take. As it turns out, even the British ideas about how to fight the war on terror and how to handle the “war” in Iraq were thrown into the dumpster in sheer contempt. Our chickhawks could talk a better war than anybody else and they thought that is all it would take.

]]> By: Pete Bogs http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/rumsfeld-we-probably-deserve-a-d-or-a-d-in-the-battle-of-ideas/comment-page-1/#comment-487569 Pete Bogs Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:26:22 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/rumsfeld-we-probably-deserve-a-d-or-a-d-in-the-battle-of-ideas/#comment-487569 I guess Rummy needs to spend more money to plant stories in the Iraqi media... I guess Rummy needs to spend more money to plant stories in the Iraqi media…

]]> By: Zookeeper http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/rumsfeld-we-probably-deserve-a-d-or-a-d-in-the-battle-of-ideas/comment-page-1/#comment-487556 Zookeeper Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:16:43 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/rumsfeld-we-probably-deserve-a-d-or-a-d-in-the-battle-of-ideas/#comment-487556 #7 - Yeah, just like they have "plans." #7 – Yeah, just like they have “plans.”

]]> By: Jack http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/rumsfeld-we-probably-deserve-a-d-or-a-d-in-the-battle-of-ideas/comment-page-1/#comment-487546 Jack Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:06:22 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/rumsfeld-we-probably-deserve-a-d-or-a-d-in-the-battle-of-ideas/#comment-487546 Guess we'd call it top-down management. Look at what qualifies as a leader today. An then we have the wonderful attack dogs that help discourage free thinking and public discourse. Guess we’d call it top-down management.

Look at what qualifies as a leader today.

An then we have the wonderful attack dogs that help discourage free thinking and public discourse.

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