Comments on: Schiavo decision, one year later. http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/schiavo-decision-one-year-later/ Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:51:13 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: GURU http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/schiavo-decision-one-year-later/comment-page-1/#comment-492396 GURU Sat, 01 Apr 2006 00:00:42 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/schiavo-decision-one-year-later/#comment-492396 Who were those fat effeminate 'monks' hanging around her parents? Who were those fat effeminate ‘monks’ hanging around her parents?

]]> By: carolyn http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/schiavo-decision-one-year-later/comment-page-1/#comment-489369 carolyn Wed, 29 Mar 2006 16:31:28 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/schiavo-decision-one-year-later/#comment-489369 P.S. My comment probably should've been addressed to troll. P.S. My comment probably should’ve been addressed to troll.

]]> By: mary http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/schiavo-decision-one-year-later/comment-page-1/#comment-488725 mary Tue, 28 Mar 2006 23:07:33 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/schiavo-decision-one-year-later/#comment-488725 Right on, Carolyn! Right on, Carolyn!

]]> By: carolyn http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/schiavo-decision-one-year-later/comment-page-1/#comment-488660 carolyn Tue, 28 Mar 2006 22:23:43 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/schiavo-decision-one-year-later/#comment-488660 For #30. Margaret, since when does the length of a marriage determine its sacredness or validity? What do you mean, that Terri and Michael were married a "short time"? So what? Michael did not "gain monetarily" from Terri's collapse. The money that he won in a lawsuit went to her care. The parents wanted half the money. I'm sorry, but I feel personally that, for myself, once I was married I entrusted to my husband any decisions that I could not make on my own behalf. I would want him to get the money he would need. My parents don't "own" me anymore. Terri's parents admitted smugly that when Michael did not share the money with them, they told him they would make his life hell. And they kept their word. They lied about him. They know he didn't abuse Terri. What did they want with the money? They had no right to make decisions about Terri's care, so they would have to spend the money on a better car or house or who knows what, poor things. Michael and Terri needed that money for her care. And I know about terminating care when it no longer does any good. Therapists stopped giving rehab to my demented MIL when she no longer made any progress. Insurance wouldn't pay anymore. And she still had the mental capacity of a six year old child. The Schindlers are arrogant hypocrites. They wanted Michael to dump Terri. But he didn't. He's the one with my sympathy. The Schindlers are horrible people. For #30. Margaret, since when does the length of a marriage determine its sacredness or validity? What do you mean, that Terri and Michael were married a “short time”? So what?

Michael did not “gain monetarily” from Terri’s collapse. The money that he won in a lawsuit went to her care. The parents wanted half the money. I’m sorry, but I feel personally that, for myself, once I was married I entrusted to my husband any decisions that I could not make on my own behalf. I would want him to get the money he would need. My parents don’t “own” me anymore.

Terri’s parents admitted smugly that when Michael did not share the money with them, they told him they would make his life hell. And they kept their word. They lied about him. They know he didn’t abuse Terri. What did they want with the money? They had no right to make decisions about Terri’s care, so they would have to spend the money on a better car or house or who knows what, poor things. Michael and Terri needed that money for her care.

And I know about terminating care when it no longer does any good. Therapists stopped giving rehab to my demented MIL when she no longer made any progress. Insurance wouldn’t pay anymore. And she still had the mental capacity of a six year old child.

The Schindlers are arrogant hypocrites. They wanted Michael to dump Terri. But he didn’t. He’s the one with my sympathy. The Schindlers are horrible people.

]]> By: troll http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/schiavo-decision-one-year-later/comment-page-1/#comment-488272 troll Tue, 28 Mar 2006 17:52:49 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/schiavo-decision-one-year-later/#comment-488272 "And the money that you think he stood to gain was almost entirely devoted to her ongoing care." Comment by Kaethe — March 28, 2006 @ 9:25 am <strong>And the proceeds from the book will go where?</strong> "Not only did Terri Schiavo not have any brain activity but she had a urinary tract infection that was not being treated. Ladies, you know what I am talking about. " Comment by Florida Mom — March 27, 2006 @ 8:47 pm Um we usually dont kill people who have a urinary track infection. “And the money that you think he stood to gain was almost entirely devoted to her ongoing care.”

Comment by Kaethe — March 28, 2006 @ 9:25 am

And the proceeds from the book will go where?

“Not only did Terri Schiavo not have any brain activity but she had a urinary tract infection that was not being treated. Ladies, you know what I am talking about. ”

Comment by Florida Mom — March 27, 2006 @ 8:47 pm

Um we usually dont kill people who have a urinary track infection.

]]> By: troll http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/schiavo-decision-one-year-later/comment-page-1/#comment-488135 troll Tue, 28 Mar 2006 15:49:27 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/schiavo-decision-one-year-later/#comment-488135 Did I say the dog was healthy? No. Depriving a sick dog food and water is inhumane also. Did I say the dog was healthy? No. Depriving a sick dog food and water is inhumane also.

]]> By: Nova16 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/schiavo-decision-one-year-later/comment-page-1/#comment-488066 Nova16 Tue, 28 Mar 2006 15:10:05 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/schiavo-decision-one-year-later/#comment-488066 Troll: what a stupid comment. I am 72 yrs old and have had many dogs, some I had to put down at the vet's with pain in my heart and tears. Depriving a healthy dog of food and water is inhumane and criminal. Any comparison between a terminally ill dog and a healthy one is disengenuous. No one wants to be in a vegetative state, squandering resources and care if terminally ill, at the expense of family. Most rational people would refuse life support and care. Why would any one after years of suffering and wasted resources elect otherwise. Get a living will. Troll: what a stupid comment. I am 72 yrs old and have had many dogs, some I had to put down at the vet’s with pain in my heart and tears. Depriving a healthy dog of food and water is inhumane and criminal. Any comparison between a terminally ill dog and a healthy one is disengenuous. No one wants to be in a vegetative state, squandering resources and care if terminally ill, at the expense of family. Most rational people would refuse life support and care. Why would any one after years of suffering and wasted resources elect otherwise. Get a living will.

]]> By: Kaethe http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/schiavo-decision-one-year-later/comment-page-1/#comment-487973 Kaethe Tue, 28 Mar 2006 14:25:51 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/schiavo-decision-one-year-later/#comment-487973 Margaret, your concern is touching, but since God refused to make his plan known during all those court appearances, I think his wishes will have to be ignored. And troll, >If we withdrew nutrition and hydration from a dog we would go to jail and rightly so. Providing food and water to a dog without a functioning brain is hardly animal abuse, and in fact, most people and vets would arrange for a quick and painless end, in the presence of loved ones. Why does it matter how long Terry was married? She was an adult. Unless she had designated her parents to make decisions for her, they lost any legal interest when she turned 21. Despite the accusations of her parents made long after the legal settlement, there was no indication of abuse by her husband, ever. And the money that you think he stood to gain was almost entirely devoted to her ongoing care. Margaret, your concern is touching, but since God refused to make his plan known during all those court appearances, I think his wishes will have to be ignored.

And troll,

>If we withdrew nutrition and hydration from a dog we would go to jail and rightly so.

Providing food and water to a dog without a functioning brain is hardly animal abuse, and in fact, most people and vets would arrange for a quick and painless end, in the presence of loved ones.

Why does it matter how long Terry was married? She was an adult. Unless she had designated her parents to make decisions for her, they lost any legal interest when she turned 21. Despite the accusations of her parents made long after the legal settlement, there was no indication of abuse by her husband, ever. And the money that you think he stood to gain was almost entirely devoted to her ongoing care.

]]> By: troll http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/schiavo-decision-one-year-later/comment-page-1/#comment-487891 troll Tue, 28 Mar 2006 12:24:20 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/schiavo-decision-one-year-later/#comment-487891 Margaret God Bless you. If we withdrew nutrition and hydration from a dog we would go to jail and rightly so. If we withdrew nutrition and hydration from Charles Manson or Saddam the whole world would rise up to denounce that crime but the nuts on the side of starving Terry to death were chomping at the bit to see it finished. I think her parents had a legitimate interest. Terry was only married a short time and her husband stood to gain monetarily from her passing, he should have had to recuse himself as many of you think Scalia should on the gitmo thing. In addition their was some concern that her husbands abuse contributed to her condition in the first place. So to use his testimony regarding her desires was questionable as well. It was all a big mess that is being used by the extremest on both sides. It is sad. RIP Terry Margaret God Bless you.
If we withdrew nutrition and hydration from a dog we would go to jail and rightly so.
If we withdrew nutrition and hydration from Charles Manson or Saddam the whole world would rise up to denounce that crime but the nuts on the side of starving Terry to death were chomping at the bit to see it finished.

I think her parents had a legitimate interest. Terry was only married a short time and her husband stood to gain monetarily from her passing, he should have had to recuse himself as many of you think Scalia should on the gitmo thing. In addition their was some concern that her husbands abuse contributed to her condition in the first place. So to use his testimony regarding her desires was questionable as well.

It was all a big mess that is being used by the extremest on both sides. It is sad.

RIP Terry

]]> By: Margaret Donovan http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/schiavo-decision-one-year-later/comment-page-1/#comment-487841 Margaret Donovan Tue, 28 Mar 2006 05:03:08 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/schiavo-decision-one-year-later/#comment-487841 It's been said that the wisdom of men is foolishness with God. What kind of benighted live-for-today madness would allow Michael Schiavo to congratulate himself on putting his wife "out of her misery"? She was sacrificed to the gods of materialism, whose followers acknowledge no reality they can't grasp in their little pea brains. Since he can have no idea why God created Terry and what His plan for her was, Michael can have no notion whether or not that mission was fulfilled. But in all likelihood, if it were, God would have withdrawn his breath from her body. When did we so completely lose our moorings? Floating on a sea of relativism is a dangerous place to be. Will we float back to shore or will the winds carry us out to sea? Rest in peace, Terry. It’s been said that the wisdom of men is foolishness with God. What kind of benighted live-for-today madness would allow Michael Schiavo to congratulate himself on putting his wife “out of her misery”? She was sacrificed to the gods of materialism, whose followers acknowledge no reality they can’t grasp in their little pea brains.

Since he can have no idea why God created Terry and what His plan for her was, Michael can have no notion whether or not that mission was fulfilled. But in all likelihood, if it were, God would have withdrawn his breath from her body.

When did we so completely lose our moorings? Floating on a sea of relativism is a dangerous place to be. Will we float back to shore or will the winds carry us out to sea?

Rest in peace, Terry.

]]> By: JIMBO http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/schiavo-decision-one-year-later/comment-page-1/#comment-487822 JIMBO Tue, 28 Mar 2006 04:11:04 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/schiavo-decision-one-year-later/#comment-487822 #27 Let's not forget that Sen. Frist, allegedly to be a doctor, said that he diagnosed Terri's condition from a video monitor in Washington DC. A VIDEO MONITOR! If Bill Frist was to do an operation on me, I'd stand up and jet on out of the hospital before he touches any part of me. P.S. Did anyone watch Olbermann tonight? Repeats at 12 midnight e.s.t. The Schiavo interview. More tomorrow on Countdown. #27

Let’s not forget that Sen. Frist, allegedly to be a doctor, said that he diagnosed Terri’s condition from a video monitor in Washington DC. A VIDEO MONITOR! If Bill Frist was to do an operation on me, I’d stand up and jet on out of the hospital before he touches any part of me.

P.S. Did anyone watch Olbermann tonight? Repeats at 12 midnight e.s.t. The Schiavo interview. More tomorrow on Countdown.

]]> By: Florida Mom http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/schiavo-decision-one-year-later/comment-page-1/#comment-487764 Florida Mom Tue, 28 Mar 2006 01:47:39 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/schiavo-decision-one-year-later/#comment-487764 1. Yes, Martinez flipped flopped on the whole Schiavo thing. Terri's mom came out publically to denounce Martinez for doing that. 2. Katherine Harris is a nut job. Welcome to Florida. But I WANT her to stay in the race because she will squander her 10 million dollar legacy from her Dad and not allow the Reublikkkans to run another horse. 3. Not only did Terri Schiavo not have any brain activity but she had a urinary tract infection that was not being treated. Ladies, you know what I am talking about. 4. Never stop bringing this up. As soon as I do people get a real mean, cross look on their face and do the "oh yeah" thing. Suddenly they hate Bush & Co. all over again. It works every time. 1. Yes, Martinez flipped flopped on the whole Schiavo thing. Terri’s mom came out publically to denounce Martinez for doing that.

2. Katherine Harris is a nut job. Welcome to Florida. But I WANT her to stay in the race because she will squander her 10 million dollar legacy from her Dad and not allow the Reublikkkans to run another horse.

3. Not only did Terri Schiavo not have any brain activity but she had a urinary tract infection that was not being treated. Ladies, you know what I am talking about.

4. Never stop bringing this up. As soon as I do people get a real mean, cross look on their face and do the “oh yeah” thing. Suddenly they hate Bush & Co. all over again. It works every time.

]]> By: Marie http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/schiavo-decision-one-year-later/comment-page-1/#comment-487758 Marie Tue, 28 Mar 2006 01:36:33 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/schiavo-decision-one-year-later/#comment-487758 The family has lost reality. Terri wasn't killed - she died a long time ago. They seem to be unable to deal with their grief because of the trauma associated with her extremely long comatose condition, exacerbated by the media attention, not to mention the political machinations. I could be angry with the family for their stubborn and relentless denials, but I think I feel more sorry for them. Michael did the right thing. Even if Terri had not spoken her wishes to him long before she was struck, he made the best decision. Remember that for the first years of her illness, the family and Michael were totally united in her care and supported Michael's efforts. They encouraged him to get a life outside of his devotion to Terri. Something happened to that relationship after the money was settled -- it brought out the worst in the family. The family has lost reality. Terri wasn’t killed – she died a long time ago.
They seem to be unable to deal with their grief because of the trauma associated with her extremely long comatose condition, exacerbated by the media attention, not to mention the political machinations.
I could be angry with the family for their stubborn and relentless denials, but I think I feel more sorry for them. Michael did the right thing. Even if Terri had not spoken her wishes to him long before she was struck, he made the best decision.
Remember that for the first years of her illness, the family and Michael were totally united in her care and supported Michael’s efforts. They encouraged him to get a life outside of his devotion to Terri. Something happened to that relationship after the money was settled — it brought out the worst in the family.

]]> By: Zookeeper http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/schiavo-decision-one-year-later/comment-page-1/#comment-487587 Zookeeper Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:42:32 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/schiavo-decision-one-year-later/#comment-487587 #16 - A surprising number of people think they are tempting fate if they sign a will or living will. Nobody is getting out of here alive! Everybody, go to your attorney and sign a living will. You might even be able to get a free form from your local hospital or online. You won't be sorry you did. And don't keep it a secret!! Give copies to your alternate agent, your doctor, and take one to the hospital if you're staying for any time at all. #16 – A surprising number of people think they are tempting fate if they sign a will or living will.

Nobody is getting out of here alive! Everybody, go to your attorney and sign a living will. You might even be able to get a free form from your local hospital or online. You won’t be sorry you did. And don’t keep it a secret!! Give copies to your alternate agent, your doctor, and take one to the hospital if you’re staying for any time at all.

]]> By: katy http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/schiavo-decision-one-year-later/comment-page-1/#comment-487570 katy Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:27:22 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/schiavo-decision-one-year-later/#comment-487570 i had to force my self to watch the schiavo family - mom,dad,sis,bro - on abc this morning ... diane sawyer "interviewed" them ... she is sooooo respectful ... the brother repeated the line "they killed terry" numerous times ... it was pathetic ... i can't imagine why they are doing this ... it's past time to let is go ... can't say this book will help the husband either... i had to force my self to watch the schiavo family – mom,dad,sis,bro – on abc this morning … diane sawyer “interviewed” them … she is sooooo respectful … the brother repeated the line “they killed terry” numerous times … it was pathetic … i can’t imagine why they are doing this … it’s past time to let is go … can’t say this book will help the husband either…

]]> By: progressive and proud http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/schiavo-decision-one-year-later/comment-page-1/#comment-487567 progressive and proud Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:25:36 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/schiavo-decision-one-year-later/#comment-487567 #16 Yes, it is funny how there was a HUGE explosion of living wills during the Schaivo fiasco. Let's see, I wonder why? Stupid trolls should have their diaper changed by someone making minimum wage. Of course, the method the repubs have is by transferring all of their money into their children's banks so that the government, who they constantly complain of giving too much away, ends up fitting their old age. Yep, I've seen it done in nursing homes all day long. Rich ladies and men that have suddenly become broke and needy and suck off the government's medicare teet. That sounds republican; always bitching about what others have but will sure take advantage when they can. #16 Yes, it is funny how there was a HUGE explosion of living wills during the Schaivo fiasco. Let’s see, I wonder why?

Stupid trolls should have their diaper changed by someone making minimum wage. Of course, the method the repubs have is by transferring all of their money into their children’s banks so that the government, who they constantly complain of giving too much away, ends up fitting their old age.

Yep, I’ve seen it done in nursing homes all day long. Rich ladies and men that have suddenly become broke and needy and suck off the government’s medicare teet. That sounds republican; always bitching about what others have but will sure take advantage when they can.

]]> By: ohdave http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/schiavo-decision-one-year-later/comment-page-1/#comment-487563 ohdave Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:21:48 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/schiavo-decision-one-year-later/#comment-487563 #19 Isn't Martinez backtracking? When I was looking up Cruella for my post above I thought I read that Martinez had changed his mind on this issue. #19 Isn’t Martinez backtracking? When I was looking up Cruella for my post above I thought I read that Martinez had changed his mind on this issue.

]]> By: ohdave http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/schiavo-decision-one-year-later/comment-page-1/#comment-487562 ohdave Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:20:43 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/schiavo-decision-one-year-later/#comment-487562 If the preview offered up on MSNBC dot com is any indication, Lauer's take will be to deemphasize the role of right wing politicians and focus on the family conflicts. The only mention of the larger political battle in the interview released today is Michael saying he doesn't know why the politicians took such a strong interest in his wife. No one is mentioned by name. If Frist is mentioned by name tomorrow, I'll donate $10 to his pres. campaign. Ok, no I won't. But you get the point. If the preview offered up on MSNBC dot com is any indication, Lauer’s take will be to deemphasize the role of right wing politicians and focus on the family conflicts. The only mention of the larger political battle in the interview released today is Michael saying he doesn’t know why the politicians took such a strong interest in his wife. No one is mentioned by name.

If Frist is mentioned by name tomorrow, I’ll donate $10 to his pres. campaign.

Ok, no I won’t. But you get the point.

]]> By: For Truth http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/schiavo-decision-one-year-later/comment-page-1/#comment-487561 For Truth Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:19:29 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/schiavo-decision-one-year-later/#comment-487561 Thanks Danny Thanks Danny

]]> By: TJM http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/schiavo-decision-one-year-later/comment-page-1/#comment-487555 TJM Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:15:52 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/27/schiavo-decision-one-year-later/#comment-487555 What was most interesting about the bill in Congress was that the initial version offered up by Martinez,Frist and Santorum included a clause that not only got the case into federal court but actually told the judge how to rule. This paragraph was so blatantly unconstitutional that Levin alone was able to have it stricken. The law that passed was defective as to its intent and so all the preening by the Frist-Santorum cabal was for naught. They not only engaged in a deceptive argument to pass the law,the law was utterly ineffectual. There is an almost cosmic comedic quality to the Congressional portion of that episode I still marvel at. Here in Pa.,Santorum will never be allowed to forget his role in that tragedy come November. The only downside to him losing will be where he goes next. He loses his Senate seat,Cheney resigns,Santorum becomes VP. What was most interesting about the bill in Congress was that the initial version offered up by Martinez,Frist and Santorum included a clause that not only got the case into federal court but actually told the judge how to rule. This paragraph was so blatantly unconstitutional that Levin alone was able to have it stricken. The law that passed was defective as to its intent and so all the preening by the Frist-Santorum cabal was for naught. They not only engaged in a deceptive argument to pass the law,the law was utterly ineffectual. There is an almost cosmic comedic quality to the Congressional portion of that episode I still marvel at.
Here in Pa.,Santorum will never be allowed to forget his role in that tragedy come November. The only downside to him losing will be where he goes next. He loses his Senate seat,Cheney resigns,Santorum becomes VP.

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