Andy Card resigns.
By on Mar 28th, 2006 at 7:59 am
Andy Card resigns.
White House Chief of Staff Andy Card has resigned, MSNBC reports.
UPDATE: Card will be replaced by Josh Bolten, current budget director and former deputy White House chief of staff.
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March 28th, 2006 at 8:05 amTo be followed will be a leaked document that proves that Andy Card was in fact the person who leaked Valerie Plames name and the false George W. Bush Service records. Rove would never let something as good as the opportunity to falsely accuse someone of wrong doing slip by him.
March 28th, 2006 at 8:16 amLayer by layer, just like an onion. It will become a common occurance for members of this administration to turn on each other to survive all of the questionable events of the past.
March 28th, 2006 at 8:19 amThe rats are fleeing the ship, maybe they can see the iceburg a’comin’
March 28th, 2006 at 8:19 amSound like a crack in the armor to me. It really is disappointing when lying, ordering men to their deaths unreasonably, andmacho swaggering about becomes inescapably obvious. There is medicine for this disease is called impeachment or conversely resignation.
March 28th, 2006 at 8:25 amCard replaced by Bolton? A difference without a difference is no difference.
March 28th, 2006 at 8:34 amJust watched the Bush press conference and my wife commented “Ew”. Card and Bush seemed like they wanted to jerk each other off…these repugs are so repressed about thier sexuality its gross.
March 28th, 2006 at 8:38 amhe’s got some shoplifting to do
March 28th, 2006 at 8:39 am#7 – what kind of thing is that to say? Repression might serve people like you well. Every time you open your hateful trap, Republicans pick up seats. Very sad and pathetic how personal the left has made politics post Bush v. Gore.
March 28th, 2006 at 8:42 amDidnt mean to quash your arrousal for the speech dannyboy, next time finish yourself up before trolling.
March 28th, 2006 at 8:48 am#9 Ironic how you just turned an observation of the appearance of two public figures into a personal attack, yet somehow think you are independent of your own behavior. It’s called “living in your own world”, and Republicans are quite good at it.
March 28th, 2006 at 8:49 am#9- Danny you’re dreaming if you think the Republicans are picking up seats. Welcome to fantasy world. I’m glad people like you exist as it gives us realists a chance to make some easy money off of you.
March 28th, 2006 at 8:49 amThis may not be the best idea….replacing Card might be amistake…he was a good man and he did a good job. I don’t think you guys should be critisizing the president so much. I’m pretty sure he knows what he is doing….even though he did replace Card….but I also believe that Josh Bolten will do a good job.
March 28th, 2006 at 8:50 am#9 – Every time you open your hateful trap, Republicans pick up seats.
You mean an angel gets his wings?
Very sad and pathetic how personal the left has made politics post Bush v. Gore.
Actually, you should thank Karl Rove and his strategy of hiring telemarketers to call up voters and ask them whether they would vote for McCain if they knew he had a black bastard baby. (Actually, he and his wife adopted a baby, but the truth didn’t matter, did it?)
That Karl, such a card.
Or maybe you should look at the Republican party who has adopted the Fear, Smear and Queer political strategy to win elections.
Politics has become extremely vile and dirty in this country, and the Republicans are the vanguard of this terrible trend. And anyone who follows in the Republican footsteps – be they Independent, Progressive, Liberal, or otherwise, does a great disservice to the nation.
March 28th, 2006 at 8:57 am13- Would you like to buy a bridge across the East River connecting Brooklyn and Manhattan? I’ve got three of them. I’ll gladly sell you one.
Goper’s Lament (Hard To Be A Republican)
March 28th, 2006 at 8:58 am#14 Since when are the democrats free of all wrong? The have done just as mant bad things for our country.
March 28th, 2006 at 8:59 am#15 Yes, I would. How much are you charging?
March 28th, 2006 at 9:00 amSarcasm isn’t going to get you anywhere.
he’s got some shoplifting to do
Comment by pgw #8
pgw,
you are so damned CRAZY!!!!
Good one…
hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!
March 28th, 2006 at 9:00 amI know Democrats have already had their celebration party for winning the mid-terms, but I would remind you all how that worked out in 2004. Americans may be tired of Bush, but not for being conservative, for being liberal. Case in point – immigration.
AND they know the alternative is a two year hatefest of impeachment and god knows what else. My prediction – you don’t get Congress back. Morons like Vance will see tio that. Thanks Vance!!!
March 28th, 2006 at 9:02 amBolten has always been the man behind the curtain. Another cabalistic crony. Not a damn thing changes with Card’s resignation. If Bush thinks this will help his sucky poll numbers, still far higher than he deserves, he’s made another incompetent play. Here’s some info about Bolten:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0305/S00155.htm
March 28th, 2006 at 9:03 am#16 go ask the 2332 dead soldiers, the ten off thousand kids with serious injuries, the 30 thousand dead iraqi’a all over lies, and than sleep well knowing how bad the Dems are..
March 28th, 2006 at 9:03 amI don’t think you guys should be critisizing the president so much. I’m pretty sure he knows what he is doing….even though he did replace Card….but I also believe that Josh Bolten will do a good job.
Comment by faith22222 #13
failure666,
…and Santa REALLY IS coming to town…
…and the Easter Bunny is all that…
…and occassionally you’ve flown with Peter Pan…
…you need help…
REALLY!
March 28th, 2006 at 9:06 am#21 If we never had any time of war, and nobody sacrificed their lives for our country, wouldn’t we be still under Brittish rule? So what will it be…Freedom or Communism…
March 28th, 2006 at 9:07 amBush at 8:00 a.m. this Morning: Hey Andy, ready for the news conference.
Card: Sure. …. news conference?
Bush: I got your letter of resignation and …
Card: Letter? Resignation? When?
Bush: Just stand by me and nod when I do my pigeon head bobbing thing. You’ll do just fine. And, if you need any boxes, see Harriet Miers. The cab should be here at 10:00, but no need to rush. Oh… and thanks for everything, old buddy.
March 28th, 2006 at 9:07 am#21 – Tony, I think Democrats and Republicans voted for war. Please stop being a cheap partisan and cheering for our enemy. You are disgusting and exhibit why liberals have been cleansed from power.
March 28th, 2006 at 9:08 am17- Well if you think we are criticizing that treasonous war criminal too much, I guess sarcasm won’t do much good…
There must be 50 Ways To Dump The Dubya
March 28th, 2006 at 9:08 am#15 Since when are the democrats free of all wrong? The have done just as mant bad things for our country.
Did I say that? No.
This is also another tactic that the Republicans and the President himself- The Strawman Argument.
Nowhere did I suggest that Democrats were saints, and I even stated that anyone who would adopt similar political Republican tactics – Fear, Smear and Queer – does a great disservice to this country.
But those untidy facts never stop the “Strawman” from appearing.
How about you engage in real debate, Fatith, instead of flogging scarecrows, hmm?
March 28th, 2006 at 9:09 am#13
Yeah, and Harriet Miers would have made a good SC judge. She is, after all, the most qualified person for the position. Too bad she didn’t get an up-or-down vote, something that the Right screams so much about.
Meanwhile, speaking of resignations…can Rummy’s be far behind? Isn’t it funny that Bush is oh-so-willing to accept Card’s resignation, but not The Don’s two submissions? I guess this means Card really is doing a crappy job.
Or, as earlier suggested, he’s rehearsing for an audition for the title role in a resurrection of the old TV show “The Fall Guy” to debut this summer, playing a character named Scape Goat.
Quick!!! Somebody tell him the show is about the life of a stuntman!
March 28th, 2006 at 9:11 am#22 In the book of Proverbs it talks about how a nation without God is lost. God is using Bush to help our country…we may not know what’s going to happen…but I’m sure things will work out for the best.
March 28th, 2006 at 9:12 amMorons like Vance will see tio that. Thanks Vance!!!
Comment by Danny in TX #19
Damny in a Trickbag,
…more like IMBECILI, mindless, TRAITORS like YOU will see to the TREASONOUS criminal Republiscum inbred heathens retaining the House and Senate…
…you’ve got your head so far up Bushiva’s arse you can tell us what he has for breakfast, lunch and dinner…
…daily…
…you’re a TRAITOR to your country Damny boy…
…and we should round you all up, and root you all out…
…you’re useless…
March 28th, 2006 at 9:13 amSorry but the democrats voted to give the authorzation to go to war if neccesary.. I have no problems with giving any president that option, the problem was, it was based on BS, and already decided…so I know it’s a difficult concept, but voting for authorization is not the same as voting for war…as far as freedom vs communism…I never mention the soldiers who died in Afganistan, you know OBL and the people who attack us…but the bs with the war in Iraq, is just that…and NO ONE can honestly say, it was worth the price in human lives and treasure, for that…
March 28th, 2006 at 9:14 am#14
You touch on a subject that I’ve been pondering for awhile. And that is, if McCain was mentally unfit to be elected President in 2000 due to his years as a hostage in Vietnam, as the Bush campaign would have the world believe, wouldn’t this still hold true in 2008?
March 28th, 2006 at 9:14 am#23 “If we never had any time of war, and nobody sacrificed their lives for our country, wouldn’t we be still under Brittish rule? So what will it be…Freedom or Communism…”
Are you Trolls really this stupid? Last I checked Britain (spelled with one T by-the-way) was a Democracy. Fighting against a Imperial empire for independence is a totally different world than fighting a war of choice on a country that posed no threat to us. Many Democrats voted to give Bush authorization to use the military because they were spoon fed cherry-picked intelligence and WMDs were forced down everyone’s throat night after night on the news, radio, and in the newspapers.
All of this is off topic though. I see Bolton the same as Card, just another ethically challenged Repub.
March 28th, 2006 at 9:17 amAs of 8:00am Card is now pulling down a salary in the mid six figure range on K-Street.
#23 are the British Communists? Go re-read your history and see who voted against independence and note that they are generally described as conservative. Heck check out John Dickenson of PA, so under your thought if conservatives always had their way then we would still be under british rule and we would be communists? That communist line is old and faded and has no meaning anymore. Besides communisum never had a chance in this country regardless of what the fear mongers sold.
March 28th, 2006 at 9:19 am29
Egad, now you’re blaming God for this mess. Wasn’t God the one who said something about not killing? Didn’t God frown on that whole “Bearing false witness” thing? Wasn’t God the one who always told us to look out for the poor? I seem to remember something about “learning war no more,” but then we must be talking about a different God
March 28th, 2006 at 9:20 amCard… he was a good man and he did a good job
Comment by faith22222
It does not bother you that this man is a common criminal… rather an uncommon criminal. He makes > $100,000. a year and yet he shop lifts from Target.
Where is the moral outrage? How can you say that he is a “good man”?
March 28th, 2006 at 9:21 am29
Prozac is NOT an after dinner mint.
50 Ways To Dump The Dubya
March 28th, 2006 at 9:21 amman,
that farting666 (#29) character…
…is way farrr gonnne…
…you mean Bushiva is using God to destroy our country…
…and make a few bucks in the process…
I know what’s going to happen…
…”maybe you shouldn’t oughta’ see this…
…’cause it ain’t gonna be too purty“…
…so just keep coverin’ them beady little eyes of yourn, and close those dumbo-like ears…
…like you been doin’…
…leave the heavy lifting (thinking) to the professionals-(translated: Progressives)…
March 28th, 2006 at 9:22 am#33 Again I disagree. I know Bush isn’t that smart…that’s something even you Democrats can agree to. I don’t think he is quite smart enough to lie like that.
And by the way, if we Republicans are ethically challenged, what does that make Democrats?
March 28th, 2006 at 9:22 am#22
You are pretty sure Bush knows what he is doing? Pretty sure????
Please…enlighten us. Just what doubts do you harbor?
March 28th, 2006 at 9:22 am#32 “Republican attacks on McCain during 2000 primaries”
It seems time to dig up all the Republican attacks on McCain, isn’t it?
Remember when Karl had people put on cars in Texas church parking lots fliers of gay people kissing, and stated that was what Ann Richards (Gov Texas) stood for when Bush was running for Governor?
That Karl, such an upstanding “clean fighting” kind of man. He never stooped to personal attacks, did he?
March 28th, 2006 at 9:23 amAmen big poppa, Danny in TX is a troll who has been banished by his own fellow kool aid slurpers, i have seen him on other threads and he never has anything of worth to say,just the same old shtick. It’s sad when lonliness breeds such ignorance and anger in small minded shut ins like Danny in TX, but then again he deserves his misery! Your welcome lil Dan.
March 28th, 2006 at 9:25 am#25
Ahhh…the truth hurts, don’t it? Listing the deaths of individuals in this war is helping the enemy how?
March 28th, 2006 at 9:25 am#40 I do not agree to the war in Iraq, only because it could have been avoided. But now that we are in, we may as well stick in it untill the end. You wouldn’t want all those lives to be wasted, would you?
March 28th, 2006 at 9:26 amfaith22222, this is Think Progress, not ‘Think Stupid’. Your in the WRONG blogg.
March 28th, 2006 at 9:26 amShuffling the “cards” at the White House. Same game, different dealer.
March 28th, 2006 at 9:28 amFreedom to torture? Freedom to wage war on innocents? Free to plunder the earth? Free to steal from the poor and give to the rich? Gotta Love that Freedom!!!
50 Ways To Dump The Dubya
March 28th, 2006 at 9:28 amIn the book of Proverbs it talks about how a nation without God is lost. God is using Bush to help our country…we may not know what’s going to happen…but I’m sure things will work out for the best.
Comment by faith22222
Faith – You really are Fucking Nutz!
A return to reality might be just what the doctor would order. Please get back on your meds before you vote again.
March 28th, 2006 at 9:28 am#45 I’m sorry you feel that way. I suppose that’s what I get for being a Christian Republican in this nation where morals seem to no longer exsist…I guess I’ll leave….
March 28th, 2006 at 9:29 amI didn’t agree with the war in Iraq because it was Illegal, stupid, and pointlessly wasted over 100000 lives. For what?
50 Ways To Dump The Dubya
March 28th, 2006 at 9:30 am“#22 In the book of Proverbs it talks about how a nation without God is lost. God is using Bush to help our country…we may not know what’s going to happen…but I’m sure things will work out for the best.
Comment by faith22222 “
The Book of Levitcus and Exodus tell us to kill people who work on the Sabbath, kill homosexuals, kill anyone who doesn’t believe in one true God, kill anyone who has an affair, kill anyone who wears more than one type of material on their body at the same time, kill everyone in a town if one person worships another God. In Exodus God says it is okay to sell your own daughter into slavery.
Please don’t give us Biblical reason as to why Bush is leading this country. If you are going to throw out Biblical references to back and position then please explain to me why I can’t kill the fortune teller in the neighborhood or why my siblings can’t sell their daughters into slavery? Jesus never spoke out against slavery.
March 28th, 2006 at 9:30 am#48 I can’t vote. But if I could I would. And by the way…I take my meds like a good little girl. You’re the one who doesn’t seem to be awake. Try coffee…it does wonders.
March 28th, 2006 at 9:31 am49- Don’t let the door hit ya where the dog shoulda bit ya!
Goper’s Lament (Hard To Be A Republican)
March 28th, 2006 at 9:31 amReal Christians don’t defend war criminals.
Goper’s Lament (Hard To Be A Republican)
March 28th, 2006 at 9:32 amMSNBC.com has the Headline “Whitehouse Shake up”. Are they serious??? Also why is it that people in politics can resign and say they are tired after 5 years? I would love to see any politician REpug or Dem live life at the poverty level for just ONE year and then talk to the rest of us Hard working americans about what tired is!
March 28th, 2006 at 9:34 am#54 Now are you accusing me of not being a Christian?
March 28th, 2006 at 9:34 am#44
You are correct…lives wasted by Bush’s incompetence. What a legacy. Now we are getting somewhere.
Any other doubts?
March 28th, 2006 at 9:34 amIt’s ok to take your meds. Just don’t drink the kool aid.
March 28th, 2006 at 9:34 am#57 None whatsoever. Thank you though.
March 28th, 2006 at 9:35 am56
If you defend war criminals you are not a Christian. Is there some reason why this doesn’t make sense to you?
March 28th, 2006 at 9:35 am“#
#21 – Tony, I think Democrats and Republicans voted for war. Please stop being a cheap partisan and cheering for our enemy. You are disgusting and exhibit why liberals have been cleansed from power.
Comment by Danny in TX — March 28, 2006 @ 9:08 am”
Yes because they were all fed LIES from the WH. So given the BOGUS information, they felt it was best given the fact that the president attacked us on 9/11 they were affraid that his gang would do the same but this time to the Congress.
“#
#22 In the book of Proverbs it talks about how a nation without God is lost. God is using Bush to help our country…we may not know what’s going to happen…but I’m sure things will work out for the best.
Comment by faith22222 — March 28, 2006 @ 9:12 am”
Doesn’t the Bible also say “love thy neighbor”? “Thou shall not kill”?
Doens’t the Bible also say that God created Adam and then Eve? Then they had kids. Thos kids, when grown up, then left and went to a city to take wives? Now if God created Adam and then Eve and they where the only ones around at the time, then how can their kids take wives?
So you see you religious nut, the Bible is not meant to be taken literally. It is a story of how the writters want it to be. Now, answer this. Who created God?
March 28th, 2006 at 9:36 amwe may as well stick in it until the end. You wouldn’t want all those lives to be wasted, would you?
Comment by faith22222
How do we get to this undefined time and place- the end?
Nobody wanted those lives to be wasted, but they were. The question now is how many more lives will you allow to be wasted before you decide that enough is enough?
March 28th, 2006 at 9:38 am#60 Jesus defended a woman who had sinned. He said “Let the one who has not sinned throw the first stone.” Jesus stood up for the criminal and told her to “Go and sin no more.” Maybe we can do the same thing for Bush.
March 28th, 2006 at 9:38 amLove Is God. All else is BS.
Goper’s Lament (Hard To Be A Republican)
March 28th, 2006 at 9:39 am63,
I’ll feel safer when Bush and his crme family are behind bars.
March 28th, 2006 at 9:40 amOnward Christian Trollers…
March 28th, 2006 at 9:40 amfaith22222 is either a kid or a non citizen. Given the following quote:
” I can’t vote. But if I could I would.”
March 28th, 2006 at 9:41 am#61 If the Bible is not to be taken literally, does that mean that killing is ok? What you just said contridicted itself.
March 28th, 2006 at 9:41 am“#66 Onward Christian Trollers…”
Beautiful!
March 28th, 2006 at 9:42 amOnward Christian Trollers, marching as to War,
With the Cross of Rove, marching on before!
#67 What do you think I am?
March 28th, 2006 at 9:42 am#67 – or convicted felon?
March 28th, 2006 at 9:43 amWho were the parents of the wives of Cain and Seth? Maybe God made Adam and Steve after all!
March 28th, 2006 at 9:44 am“#
#60 Jesus defended a woman who had sinned. He said “Let the one who has not sinned throw the first stone.†Jesus stood up for the criminal and told her to “Go and sin no more.†Maybe we can do the same thing for Bush.
Comment by faith22222 — March 28, 2006 @ 9:38 am”
I guess you would do the same to all the murderers in prison? How about the same for child molesters? Lets forgive them and then hire them to watch our kids in daycare centers. BRILIANT!
Now open you school books and learn some more real life things and then in 10 or 15 years lets have this conversation again.
March 28th, 2006 at 9:45 am#73 Just how old do you think I am?!
March 28th, 2006 at 9:46 am“#
#61 If the Bible is not to be taken literally, does that mean that killing is ok? What you just said contridicted itself.
Comment by faith22222 — March 28, 2006 @ 9:41 am”
NO! Killing and the Bible have nothing to do with one another! Killing ia a MORAL thing. It is morals that says that killing is bad. The two are not equal.
March 28th, 2006 at 9:47 am#60 Jesus defended a woman who had sinned. He said “Let the one who has not sinned throw the first stone.†Jesus stood up for the criminal and told her to “Go and sin no more.†Maybe we can do the same thing for Bush.
Comment by faith22222
The woman Jesus forgave was sorry for her sins. Bush has shown no remorse for his… besides she was just a whore – Bush is a Mass Murderer!!!
March 28th, 2006 at 9:47 am“#
#67 – or convicted felon?
Comment by G.W.SuperChrist — March 28, 2006 @ 9:43 am
#
Yep! I forgot about that one.
March 28th, 2006 at 9:48 am#75 But murdering IS mentioned in the Bible…maybe the Bible is a moral thing…
March 28th, 2006 at 9:48 am“#73 Just how old do you think I am?!”
Personally, I think you are 26 years old and having a great time jerking us around creating distraction. Of course I have actually met adults who’s thinking is this screwed up. Of course most of them had a case worker helping them out…
March 28th, 2006 at 9:49 am#79 Thank you for the compliment. Would you believe that I’m only 14?
March 28th, 2006 at 9:50 am74
Obviously you are young enough to maintain your youthful innocence. Young enough to not realize that there are wolves among the sheep. Jesus warned that we should beware of the evil ones who sow tares amidst the wheat. He wasn’t referring to those who seek equality and social justice.
Goper’s Lament (Hard To Be A Republican)
March 28th, 2006 at 9:50 am“#61 If the Bible is not to be taken literally, does that mean that killing is ok? What you just said contridicted itself.
Comment by faith22222 — March 28, 2006 @ 9:41 am”
Besides, there are millions of people who have never read the bible and still believe that killing is wrong. So if they never read the bible how can they possibly know that killing is wrong? I’ll tell you again! MORALS
March 28th, 2006 at 9:51 am#79 Thank you for the compliment. Would you believe that I’m only 14?
Comment by faith22222
Yes – but you debate like a 12 year old… Grow Up!
March 28th, 2006 at 9:52 am#82 That was mildly funny. I suggest you look into your “morals” a little closer.
March 28th, 2006 at 9:53 am22, I’m sure your ‘intent’ is good, but the real world doesn’t work like that. A lot of us were told these good things and not to question it. Now I want to know, which bible out of hundreds,which god, pick one. Kill for god?…you’ll be fine as the truth shines in.
March 28th, 2006 at 9:55 amGood bye everyone. I’ve got more important things to be doing than arguing with foolish Democrats. I’ll be back later.
March 28th, 2006 at 9:56 amBye faith2222 – Go grow up and come back.
March 28th, 2006 at 9:57 amuntil this is Rove or Cheney, I don’t really care…
March 28th, 2006 at 9:57 am“#75 But murdering IS mentioned in the Bible…maybe the Bible is a moral thing…”
Check out EvilBible.com and read a breakdown on the morality of God. In total God kills 371,186 people directly and orders another 1,862,265 people murdered.
Back on topic… My opnion is that Bolton will add no new energy or ideas to the rat’s nest and that the scandals and falling poll numbers are here to stay. The big problem they haven’t dealt with and aren’t dealing with is the way in Iraq. Also their domestic agenda is being shown for what it is, something totally unAmerican. People are not going to continue to support the policies of the Republican. They still have Abramoff to deal with, Scotter Libby’s trial, and Delay’s trial. Rice is proving herself to be a totally useless Secretary of State. The torture stories are still going to trickle out. I think this swing of the pendulum has run its course.
March 28th, 2006 at 9:58 am“#22 In the book of Proverbs it talks about how a nation without God is lost. God is using Bush to help our country…we may not know what’s going to happen…but I’m sure things will work out for the best.
Comment by faith22222 — March 28, 2006 @ 9:12 amâ€
I submit to you that George W. Bush, while claiming to be a Christian, performs many UN-Christian acts.
I don’t know who you are, or how old you are (you say you can’t vote. . . does that mean you’re too young?), but your arguments, while at least civil, are unsophisiticated. I urge you to do some unbiased research — meaning, read other news reports besides FOX — and make up your mind. The 9/11 commission, led by a Republican, concluded that Bush ignored a warning a month before 9/11 that Bin Laden was going to attack the US, but did nothing. There are reports that one month after Bush took office, he floated plans to invade Iraq — that is, LONG before Bin Laden attacked, and before anyone anywehre said Saddam had weapons of mass destruction and posed a threat to America.
Bush LIED to America. Invading Afghanistan was a morally justified act, and internationally popular. But Iraq posed no threat to us, and the invasion and occupation was illegal. Saddamn had no weapons of mass destructiuon. The worst part, besides that it has cost the US taxpayer billions of dolars and cost us thousands of American lives, is that Bush took away troops from the effort in Afghanistan, letting Bin Laden go free, in order to invade Iraq. Bush let the greatest mass murderer in US history go free to invade a country that was no threat.
These are all well-known facts, only ignored by those who CHOOSE not to believe them. That’s why conservatives hate the media so much — becasue they report the truth, not what the Republicans want you to believe. (And you should see the media in other countries, especially Europe. . . you would be shocked at how much the American media doesn’t report.)
If you don’t believe my rational arguments, just try reading this all the way through. (It’s old, but the facts haven’t changed.)
Please, read it just once: http://dfa.bmgbiz.net/evangelical.html
March 28th, 2006 at 9:58 am#86 I will. Thank you for the advise.
March 28th, 2006 at 9:58 amfaith, sweety, does your mommy/teacher know that you’re blogging with the grownups?
March 28th, 2006 at 9:59 amtell you what – stick around, but stop “talking” and just “listen” – you will learn the truth!
#39 What does that make the dems? Well I guess they are not as smart as the republicans because a dems steals stamp and goes to prison, the republican congress has literally looted billions out of our national treasury and there is no outrage from the fiscally responsible. So I guess they are smarter in figuring that out.
A dem lies about infidelity and is routinely pilloried still six years after leaving office. A republican lies about, well alomst every thing that actually agffects the country and is still routinely praised by his minions. SO I guess republicans are smarter.
March 28th, 2006 at 10:01 am“#79 Thank you for the compliment. Would you believe that I’m only 14?”
Yes I would believe you are 14 as your critical thinking skills seems to back that up. Of course I try to refrain from “belief” and try to base decisions on facts.
March 28th, 2006 at 10:01 am#91 No thank you. I’m going to church on my own free will. I suggest the same for you.
March 28th, 2006 at 10:01 am#44 where is the end? How do you define it and how do you reach it? SImply parrotting the stand up/stand down line or the resolve line is not a plan. Saying we plan to have 10 battallions per month trained and operationinal by x date and as these new battaliosn take control of this or that situation we will pull our troops out or back. So far this administration and their admireers fail to ever propose any such plan, and from the reports that we hear from the military guys in Iraq (generals etc…) it does nto sound like there is sucha plan.
March 28th, 2006 at 10:04 amfaith2222 – Are you a literalist or are you an “enlightened Christianâ€? Do you believe in Evolution?
March 28th, 2006 at 10:04 am#96 No, I do not believe in Evolution. Darwin’s dead. Jesus is alive.
March 28th, 2006 at 10:06 amI see we have a new FAUX christian. I think it’s Britney Spears. I like my president *giggle*.
March 28th, 2006 at 10:06 am#98 Who are you calling a faux Christian?
March 28th, 2006 at 10:07 amWell the budget just “Triple Down” and it was a Change for No Change.
Andy Boi you promised several months ago you would hang yourself out to dry and ya did it ,wow a sac-ra- farce for bushco and I’m not in Impressed . rovain move was all this is……
March 28th, 2006 at 10:07 am#49 you are right morals are on the decline in this country. When it is OK to trash the poor and say fuckem, it’s an indicator that morals are ont he decline. When we can condone torture on any scale it is a sign morals are in decline, when we can lie to destroy a sovereign nation and have it be acceptable, it is a sign that morals are on the decline. When we have a government whereby legislation is for sale to the highest bidder it is a sign of our moral decline. Jesus took in the outcasts, the downtrodden and the unloved, when we as a nation demonize demean and otherwise trample the teachings of christ for politcal gain (such as by blaming the poor for their poverty (katrina, or hating gays, or listening to the hate radio running only through the right channel of our stereos) then that is a sign of moral decline. Did you have something else in mind? I’ll bet your main concern is brokebackl mountain and harry potter isn’t it?
March 28th, 2006 at 10:09 amI’m a Christian who believes in reincarnation. So I’m Born Again and Again!
March 28th, 2006 at 10:10 amfaith – is this a school holiday for arlington? what are you doing here?
March 28th, 2006 at 10:12 am#63 you want people to stand up for the sinner Bush (I’ mparaphrasing you) so you admit that he is a sinner, its a start, becvause we all are. But anyhow, are you willing to stand up for other sinners? Or are you a typical unforgivign fuck em all right winger?
March 28th, 2006 at 10:12 am85,
“Good bye everyone. I’ve got more important things to be doing than arguing with foolish Democrats. I’ll be back later.”
ROFLMFAO!
March 28th, 2006 at 10:13 am#101 No, my main concern is people like you. People that are not saved and who have not felt the Lord’s love. I feel sorry for those of you that do not have a personal relationship with God. I will remember to keep you in my prayers. Remember, Jesus came to save sinners like you and me.
March 28th, 2006 at 10:13 am# 97 Jesus is alive really and Darwin is dead hmm how odd….
You maybe suprised at who Jesus is and who Jesus Isn’t……….
You maybe suprised as to “Who Has run A Good Race and Who Hasn’t..
You maybe suprised at who is told “Well Done Done My Good Friend” and Who isn’t………..
I believe I read somewhere in the bible about paying taxes to the Government and giving homage to God and not the Other way around…….
March 28th, 2006 at 10:13 am#96 No, I do not believe in Evolution. Darwin’s dead. Jesus is alive.
Comment by fhttp://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/28/breaking-5/aith22222
Good!
I am glad you don’t believe in evolution, but please do me a favor… Don’t be a Hypocrite.
When you get sick – Don’t go to one of those Darwinian Doctors – Go to Church!
If God saves you then we will all no that you are right – but if there is no God then natural selection will take care of you (and all of your friends) and we won’t have to deal with your nonsense.
March 28th, 2006 at 10:14 am#103 This is spring break. Thank you very much. I decided to do a little research…I am going to be a politician when I’m older. I’m taking a course currently is Psycology (high school) and also will be taking World Religion next year. I chose not to waste my break watching telivision, but by learning as much as I can.
March 28th, 2006 at 10:15 am#97, that’s too bad. If you understood how evolution really works — and not the incorect way it’s portrayed by people who don’t want to understand it — you would be amazed.
It’s far more miraculous we developed naturally than if we were poofed out of thin air!
March 28th, 2006 at 10:16 am#108 I’m sure your foolishness will rst soon if what you believe is true. I’ll keep you in my prayers.
March 28th, 2006 at 10:18 amfaith2222- Are you a Hypocrite?
Do you go to Church or to the Doctor?
March 28th, 2006 at 10:20 am#110 How am I supposed to believe that we humans have developed from a chain of mutations, when the chance of a mutation working to an advantage is only .01% of the time. Explain that to me, oh wise elder.
March 28th, 2006 at 10:22 amfaith2222
You assume, as do many fundamentalist Christians that if someone doesn’t believe as you do they are not Christian. This is a mistaken viewpoint given unto the sheep by wolves who really don’t give a feather’s wit about your immortal soul. You believe that even other forms of Christianity are invalid and that no other faith but yours is the correct one.
Such a view is really sad, because if you tale it literally, the Good Samaritan went to hell because he wasn’t a Christian. I’ve heard folks like you say that Mother Theresa went to hell for being a Catholic.
So don’t be surprised when your own beliefs are laughed to scorn, and your leaders deemed thieves and liars. You folks brought it on yourselves.
March 28th, 2006 at 10:23 am112- Evolution has nothing to do with science. Evolution is a religion.
March 28th, 2006 at 10:23 am113,
It’s called Fractal Geometry. The Divine Math. You should look into it.
March 28th, 2006 at 10:25 am#114 Actually, I think that I will be seeing catholics and such in heavon. You know why? Because as long as you have a loving relationship with God and work your hardest to please him, I believe there will be a spot in heavon for you.
March 28th, 2006 at 10:25 am#97 Evolution is not a matter of faith, living creatures evolve and that is a fact. Darwin is dead that is a fact and so is Jesus, that is probably a fact, although I’ve seen him blog here and that makes me not 100% sure. It is more likely someone else posing as Jesus, but you never know. Believing Jesus is alive is a matter of faith. #109 learn the difference between facts and faith on your spring break…it’s a useful skill to have.
March 28th, 2006 at 10:26 amWow- I guess kool-aid is meant for kids anyway.
March 28th, 2006 at 10:26 amYou did not answer my question.
Read a Biology book – It is all very clear if you consider the virtually infinite number of opportunities for mutations to occur and how natural selection promotes these advantageous mutations when they do occur. Also, I think .01% is too high. I believe that this number is much lower, but still my point stands.
March 28th, 2006 at 10:27 am#119 Religion is defined in the dictionary as a system of beliefs. Is that not what Evolution is?
March 28th, 2006 at 10:28 amfaith 109 -“I chose not to waste my break watching telivision, but by learning as much as I can”
March 28th, 2006 at 10:28 amgood for you! i mean that sincerely. please further your research by visiting these sites:
http://mediamatters.org/ and http://www.truthout.com/ and
http://www.rawstory.com/ and http://www.inthesetimes.com/
for starters at least …the world awaits you …open your eyes …
jesus will never leave you, but you must open your mind and heart…
#123 I have an open mind to anything that has even a little bit of moral or proof to it. Evolution does not fit into that category.
March 28th, 2006 at 10:30 am118
So then you really don’t have to be a Christian to BE a Christian. If a Hindu or Buddhist cares for “The least of His Breheren” there is a spot in heaven for them as well. If you can accept this, you will have learned.
March 28th, 2006 at 10:31 am#122 er no – Evolution is a scientific theory – try some Wikipedia on this its easy and fun:
March 28th, 2006 at 10:32 am
Buddhist’s have no personal relationships with the Lord. You need a relationship with God and you must accept Jesus Christ as your savior. The denomination doesn’t matter…as long as you have these main things. Buddhism is not even close to Christianity in that area of morals.
March 28th, 2006 at 10:33 am#126 So you’re saying that we found HARD evidence evolution happened? Enlighten me, of wise one…
March 28th, 2006 at 10:34 amFaith,
What have your “teachers” said about the age of the earth? What is your understanding of dinosaur bones?
March 28th, 2006 at 10:35 amWhat’s so hard about accepting the fact that things change over time? It’s the way the universe works. Chihuahua and St. Bernard. Corn and grass. Even the “eternal” stars change over time.
I’m a Christian who realized early on that God’s universe changes over time. If you have trouble with the word “evolution”, then just skip it. But keep in mind that things change over time.
March 28th, 2006 at 10:36 am#119 Religion is defined in the dictionary as a system of beliefs. Is that not what Evolution is?
Comment by faith22222
Belief that life on earth progressed thought the process of evolution is a belief as much as the earth is round is a belief. Both are facts! You can choose to believe facts or not – that does not change their reality.
Also, you keep ignoring my original question why?
Are you a Hypocrite?
Do you go to Church or to the Doctor?
March 28th, 2006 at 10:37 am#129 My teacher’s have said that yes, dinosaurs where here. But humans where here at the same time. If evolution happened, explain to me the Cambraic Explosion…where many different animals appeared on the fossil reccord. That was NOT a slow process taking millions of years.
March 28th, 2006 at 10:37 am#131 What on earth does evolution have to do with going to the doctor?! “Hey doctor. I used to be an ape. What can you give me to treat this?” Evolution and modern medicine have nothing to do with each other.
March 28th, 2006 at 10:39 am“I have an open mind to anything that has even a little bit of moral or proof to it. Evolution does not fit into that category.”
no, sweety, you don’t … high school is gonna be rough for you …
proof of evolution is all around you – you’ll find out soon enough …
enjoy your childhood – really – but get ready for life, cause it’s a bitch…
and then you die … as the saying goes…
it would be great to hear from you in a few years…
March 28th, 2006 at 10:39 amYour teachers are deluding you. God gave us brains to figure out how the universe works and how we could better ourselves. The science of health care is a great example.
It’s a dirty rotten shame that “teachers” tell us to ignore the evidence & in its place adhere to man-made dogma.
March 28th, 2006 at 10:40 am#134 Give me the proof NOW. Or is there any?
March 28th, 2006 at 10:40 am#135 My teacher is a great man. I’m sorry that you have not had a chance to have your eyes opened. I’ll keep you in my prayers.
March 28th, 2006 at 10:42 am“#
#126 So you’re saying that we found HARD evidence evolution happened? Enlighten me, of wise one…
Comment by faith22222 — March 28, 2006 @ 10:34 am”
Sure! All you have to do is look at what we can do with DNA! This is the building blocks of life. So if we can change a single point in the DNA and create a hybrid creature, don’t you think that over a billion years that nature can do that? If you don’t then you really need to study science more.
If you don’t think that life can change, just look at viruses. We can create a cure, and the virus will mutate and our virus will no longer work. So imagine this happening over billions of years. Yes, evolution is VALID!.
Much more valid than an idea that man just “poof” showed up on earth and his wife was created from his rib and his sons married wives from a city that could not have existed since Adam and Eve were the main two characters of the book.
March 28th, 2006 at 10:42 amI will be back in a few hours. I need to get some guidance from other Christians. I will be back after church.
March 28th, 2006 at 10:43 am#132
http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/vendian/vendian.html
March 28th, 2006 at 10:43 am#136 Bird flu – QED
March 28th, 2006 at 10:46 am#133 – This is how you justify your lack of faith. Sad!
Why do you defy Gods will? If God wants to call you home – Why would you resist? Why wouldn’t you stand by your faith and go to God?
Besides- If you had even the most cursory grasp of Science/Biology you would know that they have everything to do with one another.
March 28th, 2006 at 10:46 am#59
No other doubts. So in terms of Bush and his administration, you have no problem with…
- Bush making statements prior to being elected in 2000 that he wanted to invade Iraq?
- Members of his administration saying that after he was elected and after the 9/11 attacks he wanted to find a way to invade Iraq?
- The Bush campaign smearing John McCain in the 2000 campaign, making accusations that McCain was mentally unfit?
- Bush ignoring the infamous PDB of 8/6/01 warning that Bin Laden wanted to attack America…again?!?!
- Colin Powell making public statements in early 2001 that Iraq was contained and did not pose a serious threat to the U.S.?
- Cheney refusing to be interviewed the evening of his shooting of Harry Whittington, claiming national security concerns? What national security concerns?????
- Bush’s many appointments of individuals who have no qualifications for the job positions they are filling? (”Heck of a job, Brownie!!”)
- Former Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge’s statements that on many occasions, the administration raised the terror threat level over his objections because the evidence was highly questionable?
- During the 2004 presidential campaign, Cheney telling America that we were sure to be attacked again if John Kerry were elected?
- The military, under Bush’s command (he is the Commander in Chief, after all) making soldiers pay for their own body armor?
- Bush’s refusal to attend not one — ONE — funeral for a soldier who made the ultimate sacrifice for his country.
- Bush’s refusal to sign up Jenna and Barbara to fight for their country?
And this isn’t even a complete list of all the problems that I have with this administration.
So you are pretty sure Bush knows what he is doing, eh? For Bush or anyone in his administration to do something, a decision has to be made. So you are comfortable in the decisions he is making. In every item I posted above, that is exactly what took place…a decision was made. Can you read that list and tell me that in no way do you have a problem with anything I’ve listed? Do you not even see any reason to at least even consider questioning any of these events?
March 28th, 2006 at 10:47 am#22 In the book of Proverbs it talks about how a nation without God is lost. God is using Bush to help our country…we may not know what’s going to happen…but I’m sure things will work out for the best.
Comment by faith22222
Why it has been called the Mosaic account of the creation, I am at a loss to conceive. Moses, I believe, was too good a judge of such subjects to put his name to that account. He had been educated among the Egyptians, who were a people as well skilled in science, and particularly in astronomy, as any people of their day; and the silence and caution that Moses observes, in not authenticating the account, is a good negative evidence that he neither told it nor believed it.–The case is, that every nation of people has been world-makers, and the Israelites had as much right to set up the trade of world-making as any of the rest; and as Moses was not an Israelite, he might not chose to contradict the tradition. The account, however, is harmless; and this is more than can be said for many other parts of the Bible.
Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible [NOTE: It must be borne in mind that by the "Bible" Paine always means the Old Testament alone.--Editer.] is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon, than the Word of God. It is a history of wickedness, that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind; and, for my own part, I sincerely detest it, as I detest everything that is cruel.
We scarcely meet with anything, a few phrases excepted, but what deserves either our abhorrence or our contempt, till we come to the miscellaneous parts of the Bible. In the anonymous publications, the Psalms, and the Book of Job, more particularly in the latter, we find a great deal of elevated sentiment reverentially expressed of the power and benignity of the Almighty; but they stand on no higher rank than many other compositions on similar subjects, as well before that time as since.
The Proverbs which are said to be Solomon’s, though most probably a collection, (because they discover a knowledge of life, which his situation excluded him from knowing) are an instructive table of ethics. They are inferior in keenness to the proverbs of the Spaniards, and not more wise and oeconomical than those of the American Franklin.
All the remaining parts of the Bible, generally known by the name of the Prophets, are the works of the Jewish poets and itinerant preachers, who mixed poetry, anecdote, and devotion together–and those works still retain the air and style of poetry, though in translation. [NOTE: As there are many readers who do not see that a composition is poetry, unless it be in rhyme, it is for their information that I add this note.
- Thomas Paine in The Age of Reason
March 28th, 2006 at 10:51 am#80
So you are 14. Ahhh…the age of innocence.
Do you have plans on joining the military after high school? You do realize, don’t you, that as part of Bush’s No Child Left Behind act, your school must give your personal information to the military for recruitment activities, if it is requested by the military. Better have your parents give the school a call and tell them to not to give the info out, unless of course you are interested in a military career, or if you want to contact the military when you are ready, and not the other way around.
March 28th, 2006 at 10:56 amI woke up this morning and jotted an email saying that I felt another Watergate was around the corner, and that events seemed to be picking up a critical mass. Didn’t send it before I noticed that Card has resigned, so I closed on that hopeful note.
Two minutes later, I hit rawstory and this site, and lo and behold?!?! I sent a quick follow-up note…
“White House Chief of Staff…I am outa here!! Another card, literally, crumbles in the BushCo House of Cards!! Yee haaaaaaaaaaaah!!”
It feels like the week before Fitzmas!!
Call the members of the Senate Judiciary Committee about the NSA and censure hearings this week, ala Firedoglake’s call to action!!
Fight on!!
Styve
March 28th, 2006 at 10:58 am#54 Now are you accusing me of not being a Christian?
Comment by faith22222
Yes you are NOT a christian. You are a cultist. Jesus was very clear what he was about and todays American cultist does NOT follow in his foot steps… Murders…lies…theft…willing ignorance…desiring the oil of others…racism…religious intolerance… brain washing of children and the weak… accepting the murder of women and children as “collatoral damage”….torture of HUMAN BEINGS that did not attack us on 911… antiChrist two faced preaching about the sanctity of life on one day and the calling of blood from criminals the next…
I grew up in church. I was “saved” at about the age of 10 and from the moment till now I totally believe in Jesus. And everything I saw from the “christians” from the moment on and shown me that they USE Jesus, but do NOT follow him. I am embarresed of the people that I grew up with. They saw the same Jesus I did…and they have turned their back on him… FOREIGNERS like Ghandi HAVE walked in his foot steps…. but so called “christians” in America are ANTI-CHRISTS. They use and abuse the name of Jesus for self gain…… there will be judgement somewhere for you all …and I hope I get to see it… or even participate.
March 28th, 2006 at 11:04 am#138, Removebush – to learn more about the Disneyland of Creationism buy this book…
March 28th, 2006 at 11:09 am#1 hey Snake, I heard you were dead….
March 28th, 2006 at 11:09 am# 147, I agree with you wholeheartedly. It’s funny, I never considered myself to be a Christian until late in life–mainly because I couldn’t identify with those who USE the name of Jesus to further their own agendas and/or expand their cults. And there have been many times when I’ve thought that “spiritual leaders” such as Falwell, Robertson and others who practice the “prosperity gospel” (and of course that insane zealot “Rev.” Moon) are actually anti-Christs, existing only to deceive people and enrich themselves in the process.
Aren’t there repeated warnings in the New Testament against false prophets? Do the kool-aid drinking crowds somehow assume that the deceivers will be easy to recognize (like they are in those comical “Left Behind” series of books)? Or will the deceivers instead be able to slip in under the cover of “Christianity” and lead people astray
Anyway, sounds like you and I are on the same wavelength here. Thanks for posting that message.
March 28th, 2006 at 11:13 amOK faith answer me a couple of Questions. I am a christian and go to church regularly, read the bible regularly etc… I see the bible as a book of metaphors etc… not a factual document so I have trouble reconciling what I know through reason and deductions with what the far right says is literal.
Jesus was a Jew, but according to old Jewish Law you could not be a Jew if your father was nto Jewish. Joseph was not Jesus father, God was/is. God is not Jewish, god is god, so how could Jesus be Jewish?
Also if Jesus was the son of god and truly was an immaculate conception, why do Matthew and Luke have Jesus lineage in their gospels? Seems to me that the son of god has a very short lineage god-son end of story so Being descended from David is not possible.
Seems like you also believe in creationism more than anything else. If god started mankind with Adam and Eve two people who I am assuming are fairly similar in their features, how do we get white, blacks, arabs, american indians, indian indians, the many different oriental looks (cambodians do not look like CHineese, Koreans or Japanese, none of them look alike.) Where do these many races come from? Are they animals as the white supremists like to think? If that is the case than most europeans should fall into that category as we do not look like any one from the middle east. On top of that with two parents and three boys where did the grand kids come from? Was eve the mother of her childrens children? I know they went off to the city to find wives, but how could the city exist and how could there be wives if Adam and Eve are the begining of everything and they only had male children.
Help me out here. Because the literal interpretation of the old testement and some of the new does nto jibe with logic.
March 28th, 2006 at 11:42 am#119 Evolution is supported by millions of pages of documentation. So there is faith in the theory (which by the way is not defined as most people think a theory is defined, theory in scince might as well read as fact.) but there is also ample support to back up that faith. The greeks used to believe that Apollo pulled a firey chariot across the sky every day. They had faith in that occuring, but in reality they had no proof, nothing other than faith. Simply dismissing evolution does nto make it go away. And changing the topic to religeon does nto make this administration any less criminal.
March 28th, 2006 at 11:46 am#132 actually it did take millions of years. When dealing with an eearth that is between 4 and 6 BILLION years old 20 million years is a miniscule amount of time. Most people can not even fathom what life was like two hundred years ago (the time of our founding and I can not think of a single republican standing up for the founders anymore) or even how long two hundred years is, let alone trying to comprehend how long one million years is.
March 28th, 2006 at 11:49 amBy the way, my guess for Faith is that he/she/it is not 14. My guess is that he/she/it is one of our regulars who is paid to post and is just taking a different tack in today’s proceedings. I fully expect the usual crew of venemous slugs to reutnr later.
March 28th, 2006 at 11:52 amCalm down, it’s no big deal. The reason Card resigned was to”spend more time with his family.” ;)
BTW does he have a family?
March 28th, 2006 at 11:57 amI betcha that Faith is really one of those students who spies on what teachers do, record anything they consider a sin, which in any case is education, and report that teacher to the principal and thus destroying that teacher’s career.
Let’s hope she doesn’t come back.
March 28th, 2006 at 12:05 pmThe Bible should only be taken literally if it suits your needs.
March 28th, 2006 at 12:07 pm#45 I’m sorry you feel that way. I suppose that’s what I get for being a Christian Republican in this nation where morals seem to no longer exsist…I guess I’ll leave….
Comment by faith22222 #49
faith22222 is either a kid or a non citizen. Given the following quote:
†I can’t vote. But if I could I would.â€
Comment by RemoveBush #67
faith, sweety, does your mommy/teacher know that you’re blogging with the grownups?
tell you what – stick around, but stop “talking†and just “listen†– you will learn the truth!
Comment by katy #92
faith-in-your-terrible-twos,
I apologize honey…
…sometimes big papa get’s himself all worked up and in a foul mood…
…and takes it out on kids like you…
…follow your own good advice and run along now honey…
…and close the door behind you…
March 28th, 2006 at 12:48 pmBack on topic,
…somebody pleaaase…
…kick Andy Card in his narrow, TREASONOUS, inbred a*s when he exits…
…THE PEOPLE’S HOUSE…
March 28th, 2006 at 12:53 pmSomeone get a message to Eva Braun and tell her to join Adolph Bush in the bunker. The Bush staff members are dropping like flies not because they want to cash in on the book deals (though, likely they can and some may), but because they are jumping from the sinking ship that is the Bush presidency. No one wants the stink of failure to be the public’s lasting memory of them; hence, anyone with a brain will be jumping from Bush’s Titanic presidency and no one but the fiercest loyalists will remain. Again, paging Eva Braun…
March 28th, 2006 at 2:18 pmThis is spring break week for many kids, which leads me to think that faith22222 really is a child of 14.
March 28th, 2006 at 2:56 pmShe has likely led a sheltered life (and at 14, that’s not so bad) but she is not mature enough to question or doubt what she has heard all her life at home and at church.
She is probably a good student, but she has not learned through the “Socratic” method of questioning, but rather from the lecturer’s method. She needs time to develop her own powers of reasoning to determine if she truly believes everything she writes here, or if she is parroting what she has heard.
#147 gerald gibson and
March 28th, 2006 at 3:04 pm#150 prez pinhead
I just checked in a few minutes ago and I am so with you guys! After years of religious education, I began, as a child, to doubt what I was being told but I was too timid to speak up — over the years, I have gained knowledge and courage.
I do believe the prominent religious leaders today are hypocrites, false prophets and demagogues; they are using the Bible for their own purposes of self-aggrandizement.
faith22222 said: Buddhism is not even close to Christianity in that area of morals.
I wonder how many Buddhists have started wars based on lies, or burned “witches” at the stake, or forced conversions to their religion at the point of a sword?
Note: I am a Christian by the way, but I’m sure YOU wouldn’t recognize me as one because I don’t worship mammon (greed, wealth & power) like the right wingers do.
March 28th, 2006 at 3:10 pmmarie, i’ve no doubt faith is sincere in her postings…
March 28th, 2006 at 3:26 pmand you are correct in your observations…
that’s why i made the comment that it would be interesting to hear from her in a few years…
in the meantime, she falls back on this: “I need to get some guidance from other Christians.” that is worrisome …well, 14 is the time for awakening…
i hope she returns often and benefits from the free exchange of all ideas…
also, i found this from a post here at TP a few days ago (?) – a very interesting article:
The missing link
Scientist discovers that evolution is missing from Arkansas classrooms.
http://www.arktimes.com/Articles/ArticleViewer.aspx?ArticleID=e7a0f0e1-ecfd-4fc8-bca4-b9997c912a91
…Teachers at his facility are forbidden to use the “e-word†(evolution) with the kids. They are permitted to use the word “adaptation†but only to refer to a current characteristic of an organism, not as a product of evolutionary change via natural selection. They cannot even use the term “natural selection.†Bob feared that not being able to use evolutionary terms and ideas to answer his students’ questions would lead to reinforcement of their misconceptions.
…“I am instructed NOT to use hard numbers when telling kids how old rocks are. I am supposed to say that these rocks are VERY VERY OLD … but I am NOT to say that these rocks are thought to be about 300 million years old. 
this, in the 21st century???
March 28th, 2006 at 3:33 pm#165 katy
March 28th, 2006 at 4:31 pmIncredible isn’t it?
Some people are going backward, and unfortunately, some of them are on school boards deciding what and how to teach children. We are already being overtaken by other nations, and unless we resume teaching our children how to think and reason with logic, our descendants will be workers of the third world, the former USA.
Our young friend, faith 22222, is an example — she is bright, but unable to think independently. LIke you, I hope she will mature over the next few years and become a real asset to the community, instead of the uncritical lemming for which she is being groomed.
you know, marie – i just had an epiphany … you said, and i agree, that she is “unable to think independently” … but, think about this – maybe not! what brought her to ThinkProgress?
THAT was a smart, even independent move! Hooray!
but then, TP is probably on the list of “sinful” sites to avoid, so she HAD to check that out … imagine that … and in this case, good deal!
March 28th, 2006 at 4:42 pmGood riddens. What goes around comes around.
March 28th, 2006 at 9:57 pmrid·dance n.
March 29th, 2006 at 12:07 am1. A deliverance from or removal of something unwanted or undesirable: “Compeyson took it easy as a good riddance for both sides†(Charles Dickens).
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