Fox News: Keep Out ‘Freeloading Illegals’ By ‘Gutting Welfare’
By on Mar 29th, 2006 at 5:30 pm
Fox News: Keep Out ‘Freeloading Illegals’ By ‘Gutting Welfare’
Fox News today came up with a solution to stemming the flow of undocumented workers into the United States — gut welfare.
The Fox News headline ignores the realities of immigration. Undocumented immmigrants pay $1.5 billion in Medicaid taxes each year, along with another $7 billion in Social Security taxes.
Additionally, according to a recent Pew Hispanic Center study, immigrants do not come to this country because they are unemployed and want to “freeload” off the U.S. economy. Most are gainfully employed before coming here, and immigrate to rejoin families, to improve working conditions, and to earn higher wages.
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My understanding might be a bit weak, but if your not registered with the gov’t how do you get welfare?
March 29th, 2006 at 5:34 pmHow to save this country: gut Bush?
March 29th, 2006 at 5:39 pmWho cares. They shouldn’t be here in the first place, much less on welfare (which I doubt happens as much as the RIGHT WING MEDIA suggests).
Just enforce the laws we have now, against the illegal immigrants and the businesses that hire them and wages rise and more Americans can find unskilled work. Everyone goes home happy. Except the illegal Mexicans who are deported.
But I welcome them to go through the legal immigration process like millions before them.
March 29th, 2006 at 5:40 pmThat’s compassionate conservatism for you.
Gut the Bush Cabal instead.
March 29th, 2006 at 5:41 pmDoesn’t Fox News realize that Bush and his corporate buddies like migrant workers, because they’re easy to exploit and they help keep wages and prices down? Why does Fox News hate the Bush administration and Corporate America?
March 29th, 2006 at 5:49 pmWhat do you mean, FoxNews ignored the realities of the situation?
March 29th, 2006 at 5:56 pmI’m with #1, if they are undocumented, how did they pay into the system of Social Security and Medicare? If they are undocumented, how are they getting welfare? I’m assuming welfare is food stamps, medicaid, energy assistance, telephone assistance, child care, housing, school programs, etc., etc., etc.,
I thought the whole thing about illegal aliens is that they are underground, paid cash, or other creative payments via the employer. Because a reasonable person would otherwise assume the employer would be getting a visit from immigration officials for breaking the law by hiring illegal aliens and the illegal aliens would be deported. We aren’t just talking Social Security and Medicare. There is also workmen’s comp, unemployment. Are those funded when illegal aliens are hired?
I think it is at least prudent to look into these programs, not all cuts or reduction of redundancies are bad.
Has anyone ever looked at that Matt Lesko book on government monies, there are so many programs, so much redundancy, we could do a little housecleaning, help more people, and save money. Maybe we should just take his book, use it as a guide and cut everything in it ;-)
March 29th, 2006 at 5:57 pmOr we can gut school lunches, because they won’t stay here if their children are starving
March 29th, 2006 at 5:59 pmLeave it to Fox to fan the flames of ignorance and racism in America.
March 29th, 2006 at 5:59 pmIllegals do not collect welfare — they are undocumented.
Illegals come here to work, and they are hired by employers who want the cheapest labor they can find, for long hours, no benefits.
This is a very complex problem requiring a huge effort to resolve, and pandering to the ill-informed with demagoguery is particularly devisive.
Isn’t it interesting that the rich “private sector socialists” who’ve been on one big gravey train all their lives point to those who do actual work and call them free-loaders?
Isn’t that just the kookiest! Never would have expected it of them, myself.
March 29th, 2006 at 6:03 pmOr we could taser them because they won’t want to stay if they’re being tasered all the time.
And close all the emergency rooms, because I heard illegals use them. They won’t want to stay if they can’t get treated for a gushing head wound.
It’s all about market incentives!
March 29th, 2006 at 6:04 pmSo what is it, are they taking all the good jobs from us? Or are they a bunch of lazy freeloaders? How are they allowed to freeload?
March 29th, 2006 at 6:04 pmI bet if the red states build walls around their own borders nobody would really mind.
March 29th, 2006 at 6:06 pm#8 many illegals have fake social security numbers. Their employers pay them regular wages and withhold the regular taxes. Many of the illegals then fail to file income tax returns leaving the government with social security and medicare taxes which they are unable to apply to accounts and income tax withholding which goes unclaimed. When I did public accounting I used to review payroll and the employees at certain company’s would change social security numbers each year while keeping the same name. It’s pretty easy to get documentation if you want it.
March 29th, 2006 at 6:08 pmI wouldn’t mind a wall around texas with the barbed wire pointed inwards, we can exempt Austin from what I understand.
March 29th, 2006 at 6:11 pmThis strawman argument is just another in a long line of republican excuses to destroy any and all safety nets or social programs that exist for American citizens. Immigrants aren’t the reason; they’re the excuse, and not a very good one at that.
Peace
March 29th, 2006 at 6:11 pmAdmittedly, I live in pasty white rice cake, Idaho, but in my experience the people on welfare, of whom I am aware, are white. Are there any statistics available on who is actually on welfare?
March 29th, 2006 at 6:19 pmWhen it comes to news, the real news is that the Democrats showed their real attitude about police today.
Cynthia McKinney punched a cop today in DC.
But i’m sure the left will blame it on the cop.
March 29th, 2006 at 6:19 pmGut Fox News.
March 29th, 2006 at 6:21 pm#14 – They just have to let me out first, then they can seal it up!
March 29th, 2006 at 6:21 pmHere is a chilling thought , with the illegals get an extra 5 or 6 years on their visa popping babies out as fast as they can at our expence , the country will have a sizeable minority , like 35 % to 45 % of the population . That my friends is where disent comes in and we have problems like European counties like Yugolslavia did . It can happen quick , four years after the Olympics they were killing people in soccer fields . There are enough rednecks to make that happen .
March 29th, 2006 at 6:21 pmTom Hartman, standing in for Randi Rhodes, is picking this apart right now.
March 29th, 2006 at 6:21 pmWhen it comes to real news, trolls and ReichWingNuts run and hide.
Bush policies are more stupid today than when he first stole office.
But I’m sure the WingNuts will try to blame the Dems.
March 29th, 2006 at 6:26 pmThe funny thing is, the people who want so badly to round them up in freighttrains and ship them out of the country are the very same people who depend on them the most. Go to Northern San Diego county, look at the rich republican pro military bush loving people, the fox “news” watching people, the ones whose existence as they know it would grind to a halt without the immigrants, both legal and illegal. Probably a quarter of the population in towns like Carlsbad and the vicinity are illegals…take a look at these people who spend more money on landscaping each year than the bottom 10% of Americans make in salary. Then look at their landscape crews…one old crusty white guy, with a pack of illegals following him around trying to understand his sign language. These people are but one thing – hypocrites. They benefit the most, and yet they yell the loudest. Id like to see how they would survive without these people The fact is, we dont let enough legal immigrants in, and the ones that got in already should be put through the ringer so that they can stay legally, and become part of this country…its called assimilation and it works much better than deportation.
March 29th, 2006 at 6:26 pmLet’s kick /all/ the illegals out & give the space back to its original owners.
March 29th, 2006 at 6:28 pm#19, no cynthia will accept responsibility for actions, and apologize to the officer. Accepting responsibilty for ones actions is a new concept for republicans, but watch it in action.
March 29th, 2006 at 6:31 pm#22 Yugoslavia? DO you know what you are talking about? Yugo went the way it did for a reason and immigration had NOTHING to do with it. Yugoslavia was an artificially created country after WWI. They took various ethnic groups that hated each other and combined them for convienience sake into one country. They country ran fine and the hatered was kept in check by a strong central government. Once communisum began to fall things happened. IN Yugo Slavia the government was no longer able to govern and the various ethnic groups went to war with each other to reclaim old lands and to settle old debts. When the Serbs invaded Kosovo one reqason given for the ethnic lceansing they did was to avenge what occurred in the field of the black birds way back in the 1300’s. Immigration had nothing to do with what happend and it was strictly related to ethnic clashes. Minority status for some was nto an issue either as it was the strong for the most part preying on the weak.
Or are you intimatign that ethnic cleansing is called for in the US? Or most likely, as this is the greatest fear for republicans…Minorities might eventually gain political power.
Popping out babies as fast as they can? I thought that’s what republicans want? Isn’t it? Or is it that they only want white babies? Now they have a conundrum. Hmmm the ideal of America that there is something here for everybody…do they keep that myth alive? Or do they export everyone they don’t approve of> I’ll go with the second choice as republicans do nto seem to like America very much. The other conundrum they face is that they don’t want all these little brown babies and they seem to hate both abortion and birthcontrol, what should they do? I know…forced sterilization. That seems to be a topic the fringe dwellers bring up time to time.
March 29th, 2006 at 6:36 pmHow about gutting corporate welfare instead?
March 29th, 2006 at 6:43 pmFreeloaders? How many are aware that the huge corporate exploiters like Walmart actually help their underpaid workers apply for government benefits —-as compensation for the benefits they refuse to give to their poorest employees?
Why doesn’t Fox mention that? CNN did a few weeks back, while pointing out that nearly all those corporate owners are billionaires.
March 29th, 2006 at 6:45 pm#27, you mean like how Cynthia took responsibility for her 2002 loss by blaming it on “The Jews”?
March 29th, 2006 at 6:46 pmGo after the Mexican goverment,not the people, and solve the problem.
March 29th, 2006 at 6:47 pm#31 – How about gutting corporate welfare instead?
Good question.
Welfare at it’s height was worth +/-$90billion/year. Corporate wellfare has risen beyond $290billion/year.
AND, corporations used to contribute around 25% of the revenue collected by the IRS. Today it’s significantly less than 6%.
Which means that the middle class is paying the bulk of the tax revenue collected by the IRS.
I’d like to think ReichWingNuts would already know these things. But they are self serving strawman building simpletons.
March 29th, 2006 at 6:47 pmMark I wasn’t talking about Titos Yugoslavia I was talking abot Slobidan Milosiavic , think before you rampage . Thanks for the history lesson but I know about the region and if you think the post soviet block Yugoslavias prblems wer’nt ethnic you better go back and check the facts a little better , and as far as republicans having as many babies as they can , well that might be , but it’s got nothing to do with what I said .
March 29th, 2006 at 6:54 pmWell, Faux, why dont we fix the bullet oversupply and the rapant unemployment in the casket-building industry and just shoot all 11 million of them dead? Sounds just as reasonable as your plan.
Faux news. Home of Bill O’Lielly
March 29th, 2006 at 6:58 pmFOX news never deals in reality. They just tell cranky old white male homophobes what they want to hear.
March 29th, 2006 at 7:01 pmJesus,
It’s even less than that. In FY2005 the entire budget for all entitlement programs for the Administration on Children and Families (ACF) was only 32.7 billion.
Yet in the same year the federal government gave 60+ billion in ‘welfare’ to the oil industry through unfair and unjustified tax cuts. Then lets not forget the 250 billion for fighting the Iraqi Oil war over the last 3 years.
Welfare for the entire country over the last decade is still far less than a single year’s expenditures by the pentagon.
March 29th, 2006 at 7:08 pmI honestly have no idea what your talking about Gary care to post a link so the rest of us can understand. I don’t translate batshit insane too well.
March 29th, 2006 at 7:08 pmCynthia McKinney Is a Badass
March 29, 2006
Last Call: McKinney Punches Police Officer
As first reported in Hotline’s Last Call!:
Rep. Cynthia McKinney (D-GA) punched a U.S. Capitol Police officer today after he mistakenly pursued her for failing to pass through a metal detector.
Members are not required to pass through metal detectors and the officer, manning a position at Longworth House Office Building, apparently did not recognize McKinney and didn’t see her Member pin.
The officer called out “Ma’am, Ma’am,” in an attempt to stop her.
When the officer caught up to McKinney, he grabbed her by the arm.
McKinney pulled her arm away, swung around, cell phone in hand, and punched the officer square in the chest, according to the witness.
McKinney’s office did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
“Seriously, don’t cross her. She’ll cut you.
March 29th, 2006 at 7:08 pmCynthia McKinney, you are our Representative of the Day.”
And just to put the federal spending on welfare in context, NY City has a bigger budget than the federal government spent on welfare/entitlements for the poor for the entire country last year.
Math, science, reason and books seem to be poisonous to reichwingers.
March 29th, 2006 at 7:10 pmHere is what I’m talking about chew on this Mark the Eastern europe expert .
Immigration Protests
March 29th, 2006 at 7:11 pmWhy bother with reason Ryan just call it an entitlement and kill it.
March 29th, 2006 at 7:12 pm…’and the truth will set you free’……….
March 29th, 2006 at 7:12 pmkeep out illegals…
March 29th, 2006 at 7:19 pmIllegals aren’t because of welfare, it’s because people keep hiring them because it’s cheap labor and don’t offer benefits
The fact is we have a SHORTAGE of immigrant labor. The AG businesses in California and Texas don’t have enough workers to pick crops right now.
Americans won’t pick lettuce no matter how much you pay them.
Get ready for massive food shortages this summer. You’re going to be paying $5.00 for a head of lettuce. A basket of strawberries will be $10.00 — if you can find any in your grocery store. 2007 will see empty shelves in supermarkets — both fresh and canned produce — and Americans will be digging up their lawns to put in vegetable gardens.
People will be asking, “How could this happen in America, the richest country in the world?”
The entire country will have an opportunity to experience welfare and food stamps, because we’ll have WWII-style food rationing and that government cheese will be in high demand.
March 29th, 2006 at 7:19 pm“Cynthia McKinney punched a cop today in DC.
But i’m sure the left will blame it on the cop.
Comment by Gary Ruppert”
Correction, a cop HARRASSED Cynthia McKinney for following standard procedure because he wasn’t doing his job. He grabbed her should, and she bumped into him. If you think that’s ‘punched’, then you’re one prissy little flake. Even FAUX news only claims “The sources said that McKinney then turned around and hit the officer in the chest with her cell phone.” Yeah, maybe in your pansy world a cell phone is how you ‘punch’ someone, but please, grow up child.
Gary, like everything you post, it’s a non story, she didn’t ‘punch’ a cop. But in typical fashion you lie, misrepresent, distract, and change the subject just like FAUX news. Heaven forbid you actually tell the truth about how little money is spent on welfare (
March 29th, 2006 at 7:19 pmMatthews on Hardball is ba-a- ck! His softer touch with Dems lasted less than a week. Tonight he said “liberalism” killed the unions. Dems have no plan for immigration, yet he failed to challenge George Allen on what he would do with the immigration problem.
March 29th, 2006 at 7:21 pmHe had a nice pat-a-cake interview with Allen; and when he had two Dems on who wrote a book, he sliced and diced.
no money and no insurance=big welfare drain
created by those that hire them not by those who can’t afford to hire them [welfare recipients]
March 29th, 2006 at 7:22 pmwhy ruppert is so excited about the cynthis deal:
According to DrudgeReport.com, the entire incident is on tape.
Drudge said, “The cop is pressing charges, and the USCP (United States Capitol Police) are waiting until Congress adjourns to arrest her, a source claims.”
yea right…”update at 10″…
March 29th, 2006 at 7:22 pmkaty,
Considering she was where she needed to be, was doing nothing wrong, and he ‘assaulted’ her personal space and her body – yeah right. Sorry, but if anyone should and could press charges, it’s her. Sorry, but that dog won’t hunt.
March 29th, 2006 at 7:37 pmsure thing ryan…i just went to google news and put in her name, all kinds of stories…i figure the “press charges” is hype … get this spin:
“Republicans circulated an e-mail noting that McKinney’s party the same day announced an election-year “affirmation” of their commitment to shoring up the nation’s security.
“On a day when the Democrats unveil their national security agenda, it’s probably not a good idea to allegedly strike a police officer,” said Ron Bonjean, spokesman for House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill.
BY THE WAY: WHERE IS THAT STORY OF THE DEMOCRATIC PLAN???
March 29th, 2006 at 7:43 pmstill perplexed about that mystery of this morning…
How can illegal immigrants get welfare anyway? Don’t you need legal ID for that. The right wants to gut welfare anyway, so this is just a pathetic excuse for discussing the issue. Why don’t the neo-cons just obliterate Mexico with nukes or something. That will end the problem.
http://www.lcoliberal.blogspot.com
March 29th, 2006 at 7:44 pmHopefully they toss Cynthia in jail for awhile. There’s no excuse for assaulting a cop like she did.
The fact that the left is defending her shows that Cynthia McKinney’s views represent the core of the Democrat party.
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March 29th, 2006 at 7:56 pm“Hopefully they toss Cynthia in jail for awhile. There’s no excuse for assaulting a cop like she did. Gary Ruppert”
I hope they toss that cop in jail for awhile. There’s no excuse for them to harrass, and grope a congressperson that way – especially when they haven’t done anything wrong.
“The fact that the left is defending her shows that Cynthia McKinney’s views represent the core of the Democrat party. Comment by Gary Ruppert ”
The fact that they are defending a cop for harrassing a democrat shows that harrassment (maybe torture?) represent the views of the republican party – but we already knew that. Fascism always relied on cops to harrass the ‘liberals’, and Gary is just letting his inner Adolph out of the closet again.
March 29th, 2006 at 8:09 pmPoor Gary Ruppert is so retarded he thinks that a poor little black woman could ASSAULT a cop, and walk away – bahahaha
What kind of PANSIES are they hiring for security again? Good thing Cynthia wasn’t Al Queda, otherwise the fine folks in blue would’ve just allowed a terrorist attack. The more you say Gary, the more STUPID you look – bet we already knew that.
Gary, you’re one RETARDED redneck!!!! But we also already knew that.
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March 29th, 2006 at 8:12 pmkaty,
The republicans are trying to do a press blackout on this story, that’s why they FABRICATED the Cynthia story. It’s just stupid. Here’s a link to the Democrat’s security story.
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Democrats_National_Security_plan_leaked_to_0328.html
As for the illegal alien, the issue happens when a child is born here. It receives citizenship when born in the country (illegal or otherwise), and becomes eligable for child services.
I’m sure the conservatives would love for these children to alternatively be sick, carry disease, be uneducated and/or starve to death. But in reality, they are just like all americans in that when you’re born in this country, you are an american. And it doesn’t matter who your parents were.
March 29th, 2006 at 8:17 pmHasn’t Pat Buchanan been in several fights with cops?
March 29th, 2006 at 8:20 pmThe bottom line with fox news is the ratings. It all about da money. Follow the money trail. They don’t “really” care about issues on illegal immigrants, the welfare system, the so-called “war on terrorism” (which is a ridiculous label for something that has always been part of humanity’s existence, read the history books), gay marriage, pro-life, pro-choice, etc etc. They want to make money, lots of it! But ofcourse who doesn’t want to make lots of money. We all want to in some capacity. But they exploit, I mean XXXploit the issues of the day to draw in viewers, and post those stupid labels on the TV. They’ve been doing this from day one. If they somehow discovered a way to receive good ratings by criticizing the Bush administration in a healthy debate (and I’m not proposing bush bashing and “Hannity and Colmes” doesn’t count), they will do it. But I doubt that will ever happen.
March 29th, 2006 at 8:21 pm#67 “They don’t “really†care about issues on illegal immigrants, the welfare system…”
It should really say:
They don’t really care about “critically reporting” on the issues etc etc etc …
March 29th, 2006 at 8:35 pmALL HAIL THE FOX QUESTION-MARK HEADLINE!
March 29th, 2006 at 8:41 pmryan – “The republicans are trying to do a press blackout on this story”
i’ve no doubt about that, BUT – what i’m referring to is the thread that was posted this morning on ThinkProgress about the Democratic plan, with 20-30 comments, that just *pht* disappeared… no explanation, no nothing… the comments were just getting warmed up and good too!
eh, judd???
March 29th, 2006 at 8:42 pmMore Fox follies…
Think Progress catches the following graphic visible today on Fox News:HOW TO KEEP OUT “FREELOADING” ILLEGALS: GUT WELFARE?Assholes. Incorrect assholes….
March 29th, 2006 at 8:47 pmI drive truck all up and down the West Coast. I see those “freeloaders” out in the fields day and night, raining or hot. Nine times out of ten they are bent over planting, tending or working the fields in some manner in terrible conditions. If that is “freeloading” you can have it. I am tired of shrubs “war on the poor”. Which makes me think with so many real problems in this country that are not being dealt with why all of a sudden has this been made top priority? Guns, gawd, gays and now poor working people.
March 29th, 2006 at 8:48 pmHow To Destroy FOX News: Gut Corporate Personhood?
March 29th, 2006 at 8:52 pm“Isn’t it interesting that the rich “private sector socialists†who’ve been on one big gravey train all their lives point to those who do actual work and call them free-loaders?”
March 29th, 2006 at 9:01 pmDuh!!!! Haven’t you people ever hear of the idle rich??????????????????
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“Or we could taser them because they won’t want to stay if they’re being tasered all the time.”
Damn, wish I’d of thought of that one. It’s almost as muich fun as beating up the homeless and drunks.
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Gut the politicians and the K-street lobbyists!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
farmers and business love the illegals. it keeps wages at 5.15/hr. and it hurts the economy alright—-the amercans trying to get a job that won’t settle for SLAVE LABOR. and that is exactly what it is. if we american citizens born or migrated the right way have to go throught the hardknocks, the mexicans can to. and guess where bushy is as we speak……CANCUN.
March 29th, 2006 at 9:23 pmFace it, the neocons love to shoot, gut, bomb, smear, smoke out, and white phosphor anything that gets in the way of their agenda.
March 29th, 2006 at 9:33 pmAnd what’s their agenda?
Destroying America.
#5 great call, way to put the truth out!!
“How to clean up America: gut Fox?”
March 29th, 2006 at 10:01 pmUm… migrant workers from Mexico have been working and travelling in the US for some 100 years and more.
Farmers liked hiring migrant workers from Mexico. They were good workers back then, hoeing bean and sugar beet fields all day long. They enjoy working and travelling the US. Not like those rabblerousing, lazy IWW (I won’t work) members.
Everyone must work. Everyone must play too. It doesn’t matter what color they are.
“Anybody who likes work will have a helluva time around here”
They should be given amnesty if they are illegal immigrants, and also, they should be offered citizenship.
Where are your origins?
March 29th, 2006 at 10:55 pmI can’t figure out what the Republican “game plan” is here. They are taking a pretty big risk. Upsetting “the money”, right before an election doesn’t seem like the smartest move. If their “cheap labor” goes away, and they actually have to pay people the “legal” wage to work, there goes the “extra” money they would otherwise donate to the cause. They must really be freaking out. But they are fun to watch right now. Every day brings a fresh pile O’ crap, courtesy of the Republicans. Enjoy! You have EARNED IT!!!
March 29th, 2006 at 11:09 pmAmanda: You’re out of your depth.
Prospective immigrants who came to Ellis Island were sent back if it was possible they were going to go on the public dole.
Even today, some (most?) legal immigrants must have a sponsor to make sure they aren’t going to go on the public dole.
As for illegal aliens, well, that doesn’t apply, now does it?
And, while illegal aliens do pay in to our system, they also take a great deal out. Including very high incarceration costs (which Bush refuses to refund to California and other states), the $10 billion the LAUSD – just one large school district – is spending to build new schools for a majority illegal alien or child-of-illegal alien population. And, that doesn’t include operating costs, just building.
In some states, illegal aliens can even take discounted college educations away from U.S. citizens.
And you appear to have missed something in your haste to support illegal immigration: those corrupt companies that employ illegal aliens rely on all those social services that illegal aliens receive. Without that, they’d have to pay a higher effective rate.
In fact, illegal labor is hugely subsidized labor: the corrupt companies that profit of illegal labor get “cheap” labor and stick the rest of us with the bill.
Perhaps you should seek employment with one of those national associations whose members profit off illegal immigration.
March 29th, 2006 at 11:18 pm#45 color me dumb but I still don’t see what immigration in the united Staes has in common with centuries old hatred in the balkens (Not eastern Europe by the way) I also don’t see what race riots in france have to do with US imigration or with ethnic cleansing in the balkens. Of course I have even less of a clue as to what Cynthis McKinney has to do with this either, oh wait, that’s the changing the subject tactic…nevermind.
Of course if Cynthis MCKinney were arepublican, they would simply pass a law requiring capital police to be punched by members of the congress and their staffs.
March 29th, 2006 at 11:59 pmGod forbid the GOP ever corners the childrens’ book market. Then we’d be seeing stuff like this.
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March 30th, 2006 at 12:21 amI highly doubt my Representative Cynthia McKinny punched a DC cop, but Republicans like Fairy Tales so spin away all you Democrat haters on here > lol.
March 30th, 2006 at 12:22 amUmbelievable how most of you are so stupid, and close minded about the Illegal Immigrant Issues. They only come here to work and they re not expecting to take advantage of any government program/benefit. And maybe, only maybe if some of you instead of being talking about stuff you don’t understant; would WORK and not be just so PICKY about jobs. there wouldn’t be 11 M of them out there.
March 30th, 2006 at 3:53 am#77; maybe IRI FINALLY joined the army after all.
March 30th, 2006 at 7:33 amFaux news = GOP mentality. Of course, in their view, ANYONE who collects welfare is lazy and no good, and it’s their OWN fault that they are poor. But the GOP and their sycophants don’t believe in raising the minimum wage to something like a living wage, but they STILL want their HUGE tax breaks.
March 30th, 2006 at 7:38 amAnyone know anything about this story I keep hearing about… About the impending retirement of 78 miliion babyboomers with only 34 million Gen Xers to replace them?
I’ve seen the story a few times. And in each case, it talks about the problems we will soon face when there are more people retiring than there are qualified (experience level) to replace them. The math makes sense, even if you include the number of legal non-citizen residents. And if it the story is accurate, there seems to be a ‘worker’s market’ on the horizon, which you know must be freaking out the Corporate Capitalists that the competition for jobs will NOT be in their favor for paying lower salaries so that they may earn millions of dollars in bonuses and profits.
This could be an interesting scenario developing that could potentially lead to some serious reform of the pay structures we now see.
March 30th, 2006 at 8:15 amUNITED NATIONS – The U.N. Security Council gave Iran 30 days to clear up suspicions that it is seeking nuclear weapons, and key members turned their focus on what to do if Iran refuses to suspend uranium enrichment and allow more intrusive inspections.
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice arrived in Berlin on Thursday for discussions between the five permanent council members — the United States, Russia, China Britain and France — plus Germany, on how much and what kind of pressure to exert on Iran if it refuses to comply.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060330/ap_on_re_mi_ea/un_iran_nuclear;_ylt=AsmKUoDrhrlclvt9uVrARZKs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ–
March 30th, 2006 at 8:46 amThe issue has never been about illegals coming to America for a chance at a better life > the only reason the Corporate Elite allows them to enter the US is to exploit their cheap labor and therfore to keep wages low for everybody else! The American workforce cannot survive much longer with this massive influx of illegal labor undercutting the slim job market! The Mexican border has to be militarized to prevent millions more from crossing into the US and if Bush refuses to do it, then his so-called “War on Terrorism” is fraudulent, and it proves that he works for the “Corporate Elite” to destroy the American working class! Mexico must start employment opportunities for the population and not force them into the US out of desperation!
March 30th, 2006 at 9:15 amAnybody got a link for corporate welfare versus social welfare (Ryan Neat perchance)?
Thanks in advance
Oh, btw here’s a good one I found of Democratic vs. Rethuglican Presidents….
March 30th, 2006 at 10:00 amAnyone got any info (links) on Corporate Welfare vs. Social welfare (Ryan N,.?) perchnace?
You may like this link
March 30th, 2006 at 10:04 amThe scary thing about Fox News is that they do drive public opinion and perceptions, something I experienced recently in a discussion with a member of my family who doesn’t have access to any other news sources.
We have immigration laws. All we need is enforcement of existing law, secure borders, and opportunity for those who want to become citizens an easier means to do so.
Anything less makes immigrants criminals and exposes them to exploitation and blackmail.
The effort to muddy a real solution is being made by the same entities that seek to exploit the illegals willingness to work for wages and benefits that legal Americans cannot afford to live within.
The truth is, it’s the unemployed, underemployed, underpaid legal citizen that is creating the biggest drag on social services, particularly in rural areas.
The loss of work to illegals for less than adequate compensation drives down mean wages, benefits, and a legitimate worker’s bargaining power – and creates anger in legitimate American workers towards the illegals And now, our government for letting the situation get our of control.
Americans just want legal immigration and a secure border, creating further discourse between citizens and illegals is simply an effort to prolong a real solution that benefits the companies that exploit this cheap source of labor.
Start the enforcement with businesses, tighten-up the border, one-time amnesty for those already living and working in the country, and streamline the citizenship process. That’s all we ask.
March 30th, 2006 at 10:42 am“Prospective immigrants who came to Ellis Island were sent back if it was possible they were going to go on the public dole.”
Actually, during most of the period that Ellis Island was operating, there was no public dole. They were sent back if they were sick, thought to be retarded or in some other way unable to bootstrap themselves, or thought to be a revolutionary of some sort. Immigrants through there did NOT have to be sponsored. Please check facts before quoting them.
Now, have you noticed that each time Think Progress catches and posts one of those outrageous Faux News graphics like this, it’s on Neal Cavoto’s show? The one about an Iraqi Civil War being a “good thing?” was Cavuto, as have been the others that I’ve remembered. I had the unfortunate experience of hearing him on radio during a recent cab ride, and thought the guy was pretty unhinged.
March 30th, 2006 at 11:09 amImmigration 101…
The New York Times breaks down the stakes for Democrats and especially Republicans on the issue of Hispanic immigration……
March 30th, 2006 at 12:01 pmImmigrants or not it’s all about class.
March 30th, 2006 at 12:27 pm“There’s no excuse for assaulting a cop like she did.”
Aw, now, if she’d been a Republican you would be applauding her for being “feisty” and not taking any “guff” from anybody.
I would have typed “chutzpah” but that probably isn’t WASP-y enough for you.
March 30th, 2006 at 12:35 pmHow to trim the fat off of FREELOADING RedState, tobacco chewing, snuff dipping redneck inbred sh*theads:
1) Cut FARM WELFARE…subsidies
2) STOP building PRISONS
3) STOP inflating their “Homeland in’Security” WELFARE CHECKS…
4) STAMP out METH labs…
5) CUT “faith baiting” initiative WELFARE…
How to STOP FREELOADING CORPORATE WELFARE Kings:
PROSECUTE BUSHIVA, L’IL DICK, and HALLIBURTON…
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March 30th, 2006 at 12:38 pmHow do you know illegals pay 1.5 billion in Medicaid & 7 billion in Social Security taxes each year if they are undocumented? How did you document these fact of yours? Do you expect me to believe the just anonymously send money to Medicaid & SS?
I’ve voted Democratic in every elction till now . This year I’m just not voting a it’s obvious the left is just as corrupt and devious as they right.
March 30th, 2006 at 1:09 pmLet’s gut the GOP and conservatards. They waste more money than welfare.
March 30th, 2006 at 1:30 pmMoronic lying troll.
We don’t need your vote, dipstick.
March 30th, 2006 at 1:33 pm
But just to answer the question, which you already know, as do most here, all that stuf is witheld, genius. Many “undocumented” workers have false docs, SS cards, stolen numbers, whatever. There just aren’t that many off the books jobs around.
lame ass troll spreading GOP bullshit.
March 30th, 2006 at 1:40 pmAnd trust me, any welfare fraud is gonna be caught, whereas GOP employers don’t give a rat’s ass if the cheap labor has phony documents.
March 30th, 2006 at 1:42 pmWhose hideous scowl is that on the tv screen?
March 30th, 2006 at 2:53 pm#25 Geoff,
March 30th, 2006 at 3:01 pmRegular middle class people depend on them too. If you buy strawberries, you want them to cost $3 per quart or whatever it is. Without illegal workers, they’d cost $10 quart. Busboys, pickers, meatcutters, gardeners, garment workers—-without any of them, we’d be paying a lot more for food, clothing and having our lawns mowed.
31 – “My understanding might be a bit weak, but if your not registered with the gov’t how do you get welfare?” – Comment by squegeeboo
March 30th, 2006 at 5:22 pm*****Dear S-boo, The illegal moms and dads who are here don’t qualify for welfare – it’s their offspring. So progs are TECHNICALLY right when they say illegals aren’t in the welfare system. However, they conveniently forget to mention the US citizen children of the border jumpers. Progs rarely, if ever, mention the toll the children of illegals place on our health care system, education system, prison system, etc. Come to Los Angeles and San Diego if you want to see how the US “benefits” from illegal immigration – HA!
#1 – “My understanding might be a bit weak, but if your not registered with the gov’t how do you get welfare?” – Comment by squegeeboo
March 30th, 2006 at 5:22 pm*****Dear S-boo, The illegal moms and dads who are here don’t qualify for welfare – it’s their offspring. So progs are TECHNICALLY right when they say illegals aren’t in the welfare system. However, they conveniently forget to mention the US citizen children of the border jumpers. Progs rarely, if ever, mention the toll the children of illegals place on our health care system, education system, prison system, etc. Come to Los Angeles and San Diego if you want to see how the US “benefits” from illegal immigration – HA!
Doble post – sorry, squege
March 30th, 2006 at 5:23 pmCome to Los Angeles and San Diego if you want to see how the US “benefits†from illegal immigration – HA!
Comment by mighty aphrodite — March 30, 2006 @ 5:22 pm
Fresh from BusinessWeek:
“It could soon be high noon in Calhoun. The town of 13,000 tucked away in the northwest corner of Georgia has been reshaped during the past decade by a huge influx of Latinos. The big draw: jobs at Mohawk Industries Inc. (MHK ), the town’s largest employer. The $6.6 billion carpet maker employs 32,000 workers in all, 4,000 of them in Calhoun and surrounding Gordon County. Once staffed largely by whites, Mohawk today has a workforce made up substantially of immigrants from Mexico and other Latin American countries.(…)
March 30th, 2006 at 6:29 pmEven as they await a ruling on Mohawk’s case, some in Calhoun are growing worried that an immigration crackdown, through the courts or Congress, could have a lasting effect on the town. With a dearth of workers in the region, Hispanics are crucial if the city’s No. 1 employer is going to keep production from moving elsewhere. Calhoun Mayor Jimmy Palmer boasts that Mohawk retained or added 900 jobs in Gordon County last year, in part because it could find new employees. ”
A Body Blow To Illegal Labor? Court rulings and legislation could change the game for companies such as Mohawk
You know, Gregrrrrr, it’s a little hard to see how Calhoun, GA would benefit from the 800,000 Mexican illegals I’d like to send them. But of course your storied reference had absolutely nothing to do with the point I made about our abysmal public education system, health system and prison system here in SD…. Typical…
March 30th, 2006 at 6:36 pmBut of course your storied reference had absolutely nothing to do with the point I made about our abysmal public education system, health system and prison system here in SD…. Typical…
Comment by mighty aphrodite — March 30, 2006 @ 6:36 pm
That’s because I was only addressing your suggestion that illegal immigration does not benefit the US in any way. Fact is, it does, and the story about Calhoun is one example. Here is another one about the illegal immigrants’ contributions to the Social Security System. From your home town’s newspaper:
Last year, contributions by illegal immigrants made up about 10 percent of the Social Security surplus (…) People enter the country illegally, promptly procure bogus Social Security cards from the black market, and use them to get jobs. Eventually they get paid, and those earnings generate W-2s that go to the Social Security Administration, which tucks them away in something called the “earnings suspense file.” (…) According to the best estimates of the Social Security Administration, the fund has kept track over the last 20 years of more than $300 billion in total earnings – the vast majority of them attributable to illegal immigrants.
Illegal immigrants and Social Security
The US is more than just San Diego. Of course your reply fails to acknowledge that -at least in this point- you are wrong… typical…
March 30th, 2006 at 6:55 pmHere’s how illegal immigration benefits the US:
1.) Poor people working for low wages depress the job market for teens and other entry level employees. (
2.) Poor families crowd together in housing not suitable for the numbers they jam in.
3.) If an illegal immigrant father of four makes $10.00 per hour and takes home $1612.00 per month after working a bit of overtime and having 25% deducted for all taxes and insurance, THERE is NO way he pays for the education provided to his four children, their free lunches, their bus transportation, their inoculations at the free cllinic, or their original delivery at the hospital.
Don’t even get me started on the prison debacle here in CA.
March 30th, 2006 at 7:39 pmHere’s how illegal immigration benefits the US: (…)
Comment by mighty aphrodite — March 30, 2006 @ 7:39 pm
I never said illegal immigration only has benefits for the US. Something has to be done about illegal immigration -there is no question about that.
My point is 1) illegal immigrants are not the evil people some would have them be, 2) there are powerful financial and economic incentives NOT to enforce the laws.
Illegal immigrants enter the US looking for jobs that businesses are more than happy to give them because illegals get paid less, as you pointed out. Sometimes businesses either turn a blind eye or actively engage smugglers (like Mohawk and Tyson Foods). The reason why illegals can get those jobs in the first place is because nobody in the government is really interested in enforcing the laws and fine businesses that hire illegal aliens.
To keep pointing fingers at illegal immigrants and demonising them will not solve the problem. Let’s demand laws be enforced. No business should be allowed to lobby their way out of complying with the law.
March 30th, 2006 at 8:22 pm[...] (via ThinkProgress) [...]
March 30th, 2006 at 9:53 pm96: I didn’t say Ellis Island immigrants had to be sponsored.
As for the “public dole” part of the Ellis Island sentence, yes, I should have been more precise. See this search.
107: If strawberries ever reached $10 per quart, no one would buy them. If the price went up, U.S. sb produces might have to shut down. Big loss. Pick up a copy of the Atlantic’s “In the Strawberry Fields” to read about strawberry pickers living in caves near Salinas.
Do you want to pay more for strawberries (or have someone invent a strawberry picking machine) or do you want people living in caves near Salinas?
What’s interesting is all the “humanitarians” who can be found – such as Cardinal Mahoney – who act like similar cheap labor pimps.
115 says: To keep pointing fingers at illegal immigrants and demonising them will not solve the problem.
Most people aren’t doing what you say, except when those illegal immigrants – or their U.S. citizen children – do something like raise the Mexican flag over an upside-down American flag.
March 31st, 2006 at 12:09 am“ILLEGALS CAN’T COLLECT WELFARE. YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SOCIAL SECURITY CARD TO APPLY.” Oh yeah like they filthy felons need a legitimate SS Card… They came across illegal, they can get a s.s. card. license… with our government why not give them more… GET THE NEW AMERICAN BLOOD IN THE GOVERNMENT. Piss on the old grey hairs that are giving our country away.
March 31st, 2006 at 1:48 pmBefore engaging in any discourse on illegal immigration let me make some points that people can agree with or counter.
April 1st, 2006 at 7:55 pm1.At some level,illegal immigration will be a financial burdento the USA.(Sine I come from a medical background,I’d point out,high dose oxygen is toxic.)
2.Certain institutions,such as hospitals and school systems are already suffering financially’
3.They are people who are desparate and willing to work very hard for small wages.
4.Any comments on Cynthia McKinney’s being harassed are ipso facto evidnce for having been a humanities maajor at a state university and being banned from serious discussions.Mark/#82.
Before engaging in any discourse on illegal immigration let me make some points that people can agree with or counter.
April 1st, 2006 at 7:55 pm1.At some level,illegal immigration will be a financial burdento the USA.(Sine I come from a medical background,I’d point out,high dose oxygen is toxic.)
2.Certain institutions,such as hospitals and school systems are already suffering financially’
3.They are people who are desparate and willing to work very hard for small wages.
4.Any comments on Cynthia McKinney’s being harassed are ipso facto evidnce for having been a humanities maajor at a state university and being banned from serious discussions.Mark/#82.
Before engaging in any discourse on illegal immigration let me make some points that people can agree with or counter.
April 1st, 2006 at 7:55 pm1.At some level,illegal immigration will be a financial burdento the USA.(Sine I come from a medical background,I’d point out,high dose oxygen is toxic.)
2.Certain institutions,such as hospitals and school systems are already suffering financially’
3.They are people who are desparate and willing to work very hard for small wages.
4.Any comments on Cynthia McKinney’s being harassed are ipso facto evidnce for having been a humanities maajor at a state university and being banned from serious discussions.Mark/#82.
The scary thing about Fox News is that they do drive public opinion and perceptions, something I experienced recently in a discussion with a member of my family who doesn’t have access to any other news sources.
Comment by Compassionate Moderate
The scary thing about you is that you’d write something so stupid. Tell me where I can get that TV your relative has that only gets Fox News (cable?) It would save me from flipping past ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, BBC, MSNBC, CNN and the rest.
April 2nd, 2006 at 2:01 pmAmanda astutely notes – “Most are gainfully employed before coming here, and immigrate to rejoin families, to improve working conditions, and to earn higher wages.
April 3rd, 2006 at 7:53 pm****Except the ones at http://aztlan.net who want to “return” the Southwest to Mexico.
[...] The recent focus on immigration has provided an opportunity to knock down several prominent myths about immigration — that mass deportation of 12 million people is a feasible solution; that hardline “enforcement-only” proposals will actually reduce illegal immigration; or that undocumented workers don’t pay taxes. [...]
April 5th, 2006 at 5:50 pm[...] The recent focus on immigration has provided an opportunity to knock down several prominent myths about the issue — that mass deportation of 12 million people is a feasible solution; that hardline “enforcement-only†proposals will actually reduce illegal immigration; or that undocumented workers don’t pay taxes. [...]
April 5th, 2006 at 10:45 pmSorry to say this, but most of the people who are against illegals immigrants, sound so ignorant they dont know nothing about how the government works, they think that us mexicans dont contribute to the country well you are all wrong because we put in more money into this economy than all of you all, and to explain to you man, you dont have to be registerd to recieve welfare, all you have to do is be pregnat and have your babie here.
April 7th, 2006 at 2:15 pmWhile I feel sorry for those Hispanic that want to be here; they should have come by legal means like those from other countries. Just because they live next door and can get here easier, does not mean they should be allowed to stay. We have laws against this, we need to enforce them.. Our country cannot afford to continue medical care and education for those who should not be here. They are not being abused in Mexico. People from other countries come here by waiting their turn with quotas and availability. By coming in the way they do, they are already breaking our laws and abusing our hospitality.
April 10th, 2006 at 3:01 pmD. Imhoff
Maryville, Tn.
I can not see those whom come here ileagely being intitled to benefits i worked my whole life for!It brings to mind about the older cuban ladie that came over on the lift when she arived with in 30 days she was getting free rent foodstamps and even granted a sociel security check all this yet she never worked a day in the usa and this did indeed happen so how are we sapposed to feel!
April 11th, 2006 at 4:27 pmWe have the resources and the manpower to control illegal immigration, but internal politics discourage it. Certain segments of the population oppose to it. For example, Cuban American/residents would support the Cubans entering the US even without a legal basis. Hispanics or Mexican Americans oppose the construction of a more effective border wall, or tougher penalties, and the cutting of government funding to illegal immigrants. Politicians do not want to lose the votes, so we are left with this growing issue.
We often think Mexican illegals come here because of dire economic conditions back home. However, a recent study by the Pew Hispanic Center found that the vast majority of Mexican illegals said they come here not because they cannot find a job or cannot have a decent living in Mexico. They come here to follow a tradition or a dream and to have a better life. To live in America is a goal many people there hope for and aspired to.
Illegal immigrants typically take jobs most Americans won’t take and this is due to a lower pay, not the type of work. A cheap, abundant labor pool drives down the wage. City garbage collectors have good wages and Americans are willing to take the job. Americans do compete with illegal immigrants for certain jobs such as in constructions. Much of the revenues the Mexican immigrants make is sent back , revenues exceeding tourism and second only to oil in Mexico. No wonder the Mexican president is pushing the U.S. in support for illegal immigrants. They should wait in line like those who came here legally. I am an American citizen who came here as a legal immigrant, and I would not hinder efforts to control illegal immigration. By giving a large body of illegal immigrants a legal status, we are sending the wrong message. How do we ever hope uphold the law and control our border?
April 11th, 2006 at 9:39 pmWe cannot stop illegal immigration, but we can control and minimized it. Back in the mid 80’s, illegal aliens is estimated to be about 4 millions. Our government tried to deal with this problem by issuing the Amnesty Program (later half of the 80’s) and then to secure the border. Millions of illegals got legalized, but the promise to secure the border was not done. Basically, the border was left the way it was. About 15 years later, we now have an estimated 12 millions illegals in the country. The actual number could be higher due to nature of undocumented immigrants. What has our government learned from all this? Probably nothing, or maybe those fat cats don’t really care. By giving Amnesty to illegals and not securing our border, we are sending the wrong message. Just a simple remark from Bush back in early 2003 about issuing guest work visas to illegals boosted illegal entries across the Mexican border within a few days. Politicians needs to speak tough on illegal immigration, not pandering them. We also need to understand that legalizing 1 illegal alien, he/she will bring 10 others (family, relatives, friends) legally and illegally into the country within 5 to 10 years. Now, think about issuing Amnesty options to the 12 million illegals that are here.
As far as controlling the border, there are several contributing ways (may not have listed all).
1. Politicians needs to talk tough on illegal immigration instead of pandering.
2. A difficult wall/obstacle set up at the high point of illegal entry such as near towns. Adequate border guards there to effectively patrol. The long border along the harsh deserts can be left “openâ€.
3. Create border patrol posts at 100 miles (or less) intervals along the 2000 miles Mexican border, or 20 posts. Each post constantly patrol its 50 mile stretch in both directions in moving vehicles and with cameras and such along the border. Keep in mind crossing the open desert is very risky and expensive, and with constant patrol, far fewer will get through.
4. Enforce/legislate punishment toward employers hiring illegals.
5. Cut of government aids to illegals. Well, maybe not everything for humanitarian reasons.
There are other illegal immigrants from other countries as well. Along the Mexican border by far being the most serious. Illegal immigration cannot be stop, but it can be controlled. Instead of 2 millions entering a year, we have say 200,000. Illegal immigration has got out of control in the past 20 years. Politicians will not do much unless the voters speak out and demand actions. So far, the illegals and their supporters have spoken much louder.
April 13th, 2006 at 12:10 amread the social security totalization lopesided agreement with mexico if this dosn’t turn your stomic ! nothing will any money they put in goes to mexico after thier legal here for ten years (which takes 24 years to be vested in mexico) this is about proping up the mexican goverment this money goes to mexico after being vested here they can go back home and because there’s no job for the then can and will drain your mine and every future tax paying goverment program find out before they pass any of it! i don’t want our system to be ruined bye under the table agreements . Watch the money trail now!
April 19th, 2006 at 11:11 ami think that most of the people that work at Fox News have shit for brains. they all sit on their rich white asses and talk down to everyone not in the same tax bracket. they are all bias and one sided on every issue, and generally have no support for what they say. they misinterpret christianity, and even in my opinion give right wingers a bad name.
April 19th, 2006 at 12:05 pmI worked for the WELFARE dept in California, 75-88. And the illegal community was selling social security card on the corner along with fake birth certificates. They could get them fast enough. Buying new cars and houses with the money, food stamps free Medical and Dental, free child care,scholarships, hand outs and the free loader Co parent would work for cash….unreported. If they claim any they get Earned income credit, more than they paid. It still goes on everyday.They would bring over their parents and YES they get our Social Security benefits. Everyone who complained was comforted by the Fraud hotline that only wanted to know about other fraud. I watch elderly americans eat cat food for nutrition, service people make less money and have worse benefits.WE ARE SHEEP AND THE GOVERMENT COUNTS ON IT.
April 30th, 2006 at 9:18 pmOH YEAH…. Are THEY going to hold a march to THANK US!!!!!! We should BOYCOTT all the hospitals they flood, The stores they Raid, The schools they attend, Let’s Just NOT give them services for a day….or longer. Maybe they will go HOME…
April 30th, 2006 at 9:25 pmhave them serve 3 years in armed forces before they get thier papers.let see how many go to cadana or back home.
May 1st, 2006 at 11:38 amI have worked in the epicenter of the illegal Mexican habitat, San Jose, CA as an HR Manager for 4 years now. Let me tell you the reality of this, as many of our employees are illegal. Yes, they try to weed them out, but not too hard. One persons quote was correct, within hours all legal looking documents can be obtained for the right price. We then monitor the ss# of all employees, and every 3 months 5-10 come back as “bad” (ie:fake). They are always Mexican. They are 99% of the time illegal and usually quit. Before they quit, they usually start bragging to their legal Mexican buddies that they really don’t care we are making them quit, because they are only here for 3 years anyway. They state about how all the money made has been sent back to a family in Mexico, and a mansion like home is being built off of OUR ECONOMY! Needless to say, they DO get another job from some rich moron who wants their lawn mowed, toilets cleaned and food prepared at SLAVE WAGES. It sickens me. I am black, my people were slaves against our will, and now the rich American has a new slave, cheap Mexican illegal labor. And as long as the rich are lazy, this explotation will continue. I welcome all races legally, but this illegal nightmare is a drain on our resources, entry level jobs for students and the enderly, and makes the job market the nightmare it is. Why? Because an illegal WILL ALWAYS BE half the cost a legal person is, regardless of background. How can any citizen EVER compete againt that? And the Govt. does nothing because they LIKE SLAVES…especially volunteers! IT IS TIME FOR AMERICANS TO STAND UP WHILE THERE IS STILL AN AMERICA.
May 1st, 2006 at 10:10 pmAnd this is a real sore subject for you, huh?
May 5th, 2006 at 3:46 pmWell then maybe you ought to take advantage of some of the benefits you’re entitled to. Maybe like going back to elementary school, where you can learn to sound out your words because your spelling is atrocious.
Illegals do collect welfare, medicade, foodstamps and guaranteed student loans and probably SSI (which is what you get if you become disabled but haven’t paid enough into Soc. Sec.). They do so by using stolen ID’s.
Illegals do pay taxes, sometimes. It depends upon how long they plan on staying here and how easy it is for them to find work under the table.
A co-worker’s purse was snatched while she was up in Richmond shopping. A month or so later, someone comes into the place she works to apply for a job (about an hour and a half away from Richmond). This illegal had her ID and tried to use it to apply for work. She was hauled off.
May 31st, 2006 at 1:47 amjust arrest the people riding bycycles and you will get most of them. you have to stop giving away stuff to people who do not have the right to be here.
July 27th, 2006 at 5:25 pmWhat saddens me as being an american is that so many of us dont want to even work. We sit home, dont vote, blame the government for any shortcomings we may have and point the finger at other americans of different races if they prosper and we dont. Some of us dont want to do anything to better or even support our family’s, let alone our country, but the moment someone crosses our border to get better jobs, or food or to keep their family from starving in the other part of “America”, we want to start blaming them for our short comings. If we stood up and did the jobs offered, stopped supplying welfare to every young girl getting pregnant (black and white)and actually appreciate what we have, then maybe they wouldnt want to come here and work. There would be no jobs available. But us lazy americans dont see that. We could actually learn from them! They put their families first and will risk their lives to do so. Do We? Together both americas could be a superpower. Open your eyes they pay more taxes than some of us trying to get over, and they dont claim anything! Thats just more money our government pockets or sends to the middle east who doesn’t want anything from us anyway. This is a no brainer! PS..Im african american, but human first!
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