Comments on: George W. Bush, Iraqi Kingmaker http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/29/george-w-bush-iraqi-kingmaker/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 02:42:02 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Lud http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/29/george-w-bush-iraqi-kingmaker/comment-page-2/#comment-491712 Lud Fri, 31 Mar 2006 16:31:57 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/29/george-w-bush-iraqi-kingmaker/#comment-491712 Thank you Jesus for President Bush. A trillion dollars is well spent on creating a Mess(opotania) in VietRaq while taking away financial aid from no good liberal pointy-headed college-age children. Thank you Lord for Godly George Bush losing 8.8 billion in $100.00 dollar bills in VietRaq - it's only money. Thank you Lord for our glorious leader slaughtering 100,00 non-believing men, women and children as You (and Anne Coulter) have commanded. PRAISE JESUS! Thank you Jesus for President Bush. A trillion dollars is well spent on creating a Mess(opotania) in VietRaq while taking away financial aid from no good liberal pointy-headed college-age children.

Thank you Lord for Godly George Bush losing 8.8 billion in $100.00 dollar bills in VietRaq – it’s only money.

Thank you Lord for our glorious leader slaughtering 100,00 non-believing men, women and children as You (and Anne Coulter) have commanded.

PRAISE JESUS!

]]> By: big papa http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/29/george-w-bush-iraqi-kingmaker/comment-page-2/#comment-490539 big papa Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:45:07 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/29/george-w-bush-iraqi-kingmaker/#comment-490539 iIraqi sovereignty? That’s some funny stuff. Just like in Germany and Japan, we’ll tell you when you’ve earned the privilege of calling yourselves a sovereign people. Until then do exactly what we tell you or we’ll get someone in there that will. It’s really that simple. Comment by I-RIGHT-I #41 <strong>THANK YOU IRI, You TREASONOUS, right wing, inbred, al Cracker a*shole... ...for providing us with the clearest possible answer to that nagging question you Bushite TRAITORS always pose... ..."Why do they (Islamic fundamentalists) want to kill us?"...</strong> iIraqi sovereignty? That’s some funny stuff. Just like in Germany and Japan, we’ll tell you when you’ve earned the privilege of calling yourselves a sovereign people. Until then do exactly what we tell you or we’ll get someone in there that will. It’s really that simple.

Comment by I-RIGHT-I #41

THANK YOU IRI,

You TREASONOUS, right wing, inbred, al Cracker a*shole…

…for providing us with the clearest possible answer to that nagging question you Bushite TRAITORS always pose…

…”Why do they (Islamic fundamentalists) want to kill us?”…

]]> By: Vic Anderson http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/29/george-w-bush-iraqi-kingmaker/comment-page-2/#comment-490198 Vic Anderson Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:20:19 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/29/george-w-bush-iraqi-kingmaker/#comment-490198 Some sovereignty! Some sovereignty!

]]> By: Cyra Brown http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/29/george-w-bush-iraqi-kingmaker/comment-page-2/#comment-490192 Cyra Brown Thu, 30 Mar 2006 10:15:15 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/29/george-w-bush-iraqi-kingmaker/#comment-490192 #44, #51, #53- Tundra, many of the points you were making in your posts could just as easily be used to describe our current situation here in America. Just substitute BushCo for Iraq. And if you cannot see this, then I have to doubt your sincerity, as well as your sanity. And if what is occuring in Iraq, and has occured there, is disturbing to you, then the FACT that the same things are happening HERE and NOW, in our country, sanctioned by BushCo, should really frighten you. It frightens me. And choosing not to believe it, like with global warming, will not make it go away. If only it were that easy, that would be nice. But it's not gonna happen. And the really sad part is, they care as much about their "supporters", as they do about their "detractors". And it is no secret how they feel about us. You are just a "means to their ends". Something they can use to further their own ambitions. At least we know what they are all about. #44, #51, #53- Tundra, many of the points you were making in your posts could just as easily be used to describe our current situation here in America. Just substitute BushCo for Iraq. And if you cannot see this, then I have to doubt your sincerity, as well as your sanity. And if what is occuring in Iraq, and has occured there, is disturbing to you, then the FACT that the same things are happening HERE and NOW, in our country, sanctioned by BushCo, should really frighten you. It frightens me. And choosing not to believe it, like with global warming, will not make it go away. If only it were that easy, that would be nice. But it’s not gonna happen. And the really sad part is, they care as much about their “supporters”, as they do about their “detractors”. And it is no secret how they feel about us. You are just a “means to their ends”. Something they can use to further their own ambitions. At least we know what they are all about.

]]> By: Tundra http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/29/george-w-bush-iraqi-kingmaker/comment-page-2/#comment-490186 Tundra Thu, 30 Mar 2006 09:21:25 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/29/george-w-bush-iraqi-kingmaker/#comment-490186 <em>Iraq was relatively liberal and relatively secular for the arab world before our arrival.</em> I would agree, provided you agreed with the ruling party. I have not met anyone (Not that a person does not exist) That believes you could speak out against the ruling party/demonstrate your dislike of policy or otherwise confront the humanity of decisions made by the ruler of the country. <em>Burkas were more common in Afghanistan and in our ‘friends’ the Saudis.</em> Accepted, but my original point was that if the rest of the world (everyone) wanted to change the US to a completely Islamic country would it take more than 3 years. We are asking a country to give up their beliefs about human rights, we are asking a country to recognize woman as citizens, we are asking a country to allow it's citizens the right to spreak their mind here. How long would it take to completely change all Americans to do a 180 degree turn? Suppress the right of free speech, suppress womens rights etc.. (Or should we even ask them to?) <em>However our ‘rape’ of Iraqi prisoners in Abu Ghraib hasn’t made us friends. </em> Yes, that in no way assisted us in our overall goal. It was an insult to the way we live and what we expect of nations we deal with and respect. It in no way helped us. Iraq was relatively liberal and relatively secular for the arab world before our arrival.
I would agree, provided you agreed with the ruling party. I have not met anyone (Not that a person does not exist) That believes you could speak out against the ruling party/demonstrate your dislike of policy or otherwise confront the humanity of decisions made by the ruler of the country.

Burkas were more common in Afghanistan and in our ‘friends’ the Saudis.
Accepted, but my original point was that if the rest of the world (everyone) wanted to change the US to a completely Islamic country would it take more than 3 years. We are asking a country to give up their beliefs about human rights, we are asking a country to recognize woman as citizens, we are asking a country to allow it’s citizens the right to spreak their mind here. How long would it take to completely change all Americans to do a 180 degree turn? Suppress the right of free speech, suppress womens rights etc.. (Or should we even ask them to?)

However our ‘rape’ of Iraqi prisoners in Abu Ghraib hasn’t made us friends.
Yes, that in no way assisted us in our overall goal. It was an insult to the way we live and what we expect of nations we deal with and respect. It in no way helped us.

]]> By: Tundra http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/29/george-w-bush-iraqi-kingmaker/comment-page-1/#comment-490139 Tundra Thu, 30 Mar 2006 08:29:30 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/29/george-w-bush-iraqi-kingmaker/#comment-490139 <em>3 years on and the “strongest military” in the world hasn’t been able to impose it’s will on Iraq, even with the acquiessence of friendly Iraqi’s.</em> How many years before the rest of the world could convert the U.S to an Islamic state, Complete with Burkas and stoning rape victims. Even with friendly Americans supporting? 3 years on and the “strongest military” in the world hasn’t been able to impose it’s will on Iraq, even with the acquiessence of friendly Iraqi’s.

How many years before the rest of the world could convert the U.S to an Islamic state, Complete with Burkas and stoning rape victims. Even with friendly Americans supporting?

]]> By: purvis ames http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/29/george-w-bush-iraqi-kingmaker/comment-page-1/#comment-490126 purvis ames Thu, 30 Mar 2006 07:45:18 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/29/george-w-bush-iraqi-kingmaker/#comment-490126 I don't know who's doing the editing but apropos to people complaining about posts being removed, a comment I made on John McCain got "disappeared" the other day after going up. I don’t know who’s doing the editing but apropos to people complaining about posts being removed, a comment I made on John McCain got “disappeared” the other day after going up.

]]> By: Jay Randal http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/29/george-w-bush-iraqi-kingmaker/comment-page-1/#comment-490091 Jay Randal Thu, 30 Mar 2006 05:38:27 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/29/george-w-bush-iraqi-kingmaker/#comment-490091 Bush has crowned himself the King/Emperor of America, so no surprise if he tries to be a kingmaker in Iraq too! But actually George is more of a stooge maker for Iraq > lol. Bush has crowned himself the King/Emperor of America, so no surprise if he tries to be a kingmaker in Iraq too! But actually George is more of a stooge maker for Iraq > lol.

]]> By: Bakeman http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/29/george-w-bush-iraqi-kingmaker/comment-page-1/#comment-490002 Bakeman Thu, 30 Mar 2006 02:46:35 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/29/george-w-bush-iraqi-kingmaker/#comment-490002 "Iraqi sovereignty? That’s some funny stuff. Just like in German and Japan, we’ll tell you when you’ve earned the privilege of calling yourselves a sovereign people. Until then do exactly what we tell you or we’ll get someone in there that will. It’s really that simple." Once again I-Right -I shows his total fvcking ignorance of the real world & how it works. 3 years on and the "strongest military" in the world hasn't been able to impose it's will on Iraq, even with the acquiessence of friendly Iraqi's. Once the Bush cabal loses it's friendly Iraqi's does I-Right -I really think the military will be in a better position to enforce it's will ? Does I-Right-I have the slightest idea of what the consequences would be to the region - and the US - by accepting his childish, delusional thinking on Iraqi "democracy" ? IRI get your head out of your ass and start interacting with other, actual people! “Iraqi sovereignty? That’s some funny stuff. Just like in German and Japan, we’ll tell you when you’ve earned the privilege of calling yourselves a sovereign people. Until then do exactly what we tell you or we’ll get someone in there that will. It’s really that simple.”

Once again I-Right -I shows his total fvcking ignorance of the real world & how it works. 3 years on and the “strongest military” in the world hasn’t been able to impose it’s will on Iraq, even with the acquiessence of friendly Iraqi’s. Once the Bush cabal loses it’s friendly Iraqi’s does I-Right -I really think the military will be in a better position to enforce it’s will ? Does I-Right-I have the slightest idea of what the consequences would be to the region – and the US – by accepting his childish, delusional thinking on Iraqi “democracy” ?

IRI get your head out of your ass and start interacting with other, actual people!

]]> By: Marie http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/29/george-w-bush-iraqi-kingmaker/comment-page-1/#comment-489908 Marie Wed, 29 Mar 2006 23:57:25 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/29/george-w-bush-iraqi-kingmaker/#comment-489908 Sigh.... Viet Nam redux. Sigh…. Viet Nam redux.

]]> By: Wills http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/29/george-w-bush-iraqi-kingmaker/comment-page-1/#comment-489887 Wills Wed, 29 Mar 2006 23:34:08 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/29/george-w-bush-iraqi-kingmaker/#comment-489887 I forget, how many leader changes did we go through in Vietnam before we finally gave up? I forget, how many leader changes did we go through in Vietnam before we finally gave up?

]]> By: Marie http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/29/george-w-bush-iraqi-kingmaker/comment-page-1/#comment-489868 Marie Wed, 29 Mar 2006 23:16:01 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/29/george-w-bush-iraqi-kingmaker/#comment-489868 This has been a sham from the start. Democracy my ass. Bush wants his man in place, his government of puppets, and others who can be bribed or coerced. He never thought there would be a civil war and he never thought the fundamentalist shites would gain power. Bush never thinks - he can't - never learned how - won't listen - never had to - born a jerk in a family of selfish egomaniacs. This has been a sham from the start. Democracy my ass.
Bush wants his man in place, his government of puppets, and others who can be bribed or coerced. He never thought there would be a civil war and he never thought the fundamentalist shites would gain power.
Bush never thinks – he can’t – never learned how – won’t listen – never had to – born a jerk in a family of selfish egomaniacs.

]]> By: Tundra http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/29/george-w-bush-iraqi-kingmaker/comment-page-1/#comment-489757 Tundra Wed, 29 Mar 2006 21:54:12 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/29/george-w-bush-iraqi-kingmaker/#comment-489757 Quoted from the Daily Kos http://descrates.dailykos.com/storyonly/2004/11/16/182026/63 <em>But notice what Taki has not said: He didn't condemn the invasion of Falluja. That's because it's in the interests of the Shia to have the U.S. kill as many Sunni insurgents as possible (while saddling Allawi with the political fallout)--since, after all, those Sunni insurgents will surely not look kindly on Shia domination of Baghdad.</em> They don't seem to think very highly of the only guy to say it. To me he looks like the kind of guy that may stretch the truth a little or make assumptions for political gain. Quoted from the Daily Kos

http://descrates.dailykos.com/storyonly/2004/11/16/182026/63

But notice what Taki has not said: He didn’t condemn the invasion of Falluja. That’s because it’s in the interests of the Shia to have the U.S. kill as many Sunni insurgents as possible (while saddling Allawi with the political fallout)–since, after all, those Sunni insurgents will surely not look kindly on Shia domination of Baghdad.

They don’t seem to think very highly of the only guy to say it. To me he looks like the kind of guy that may stretch the truth a little or make assumptions for political gain.

]]> By: Tundra http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/29/george-w-bush-iraqi-kingmaker/comment-page-1/#comment-489744 Tundra Wed, 29 Mar 2006 21:44:50 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/29/george-w-bush-iraqi-kingmaker/#comment-489744 My only problem with is article is: Redha Jowad Taki is the only source listed as saying anything of substance in the article. He is/was also a member of the Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI) If you are unfamiliar with them they are a prominent Shi'a group who has forcibly taken control of towns near the Iranian border. They are also calling for an immediate withdrawl of US forces and a forced Islamic state. Others agree that Bush sent a message to Khalilzad, but do not discuss what was said, or what he said during the meeting. My only problem with is article is:

Redha Jowad Taki is the only source listed as saying anything of substance in the article.

He is/was also a member of the Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI)

If you are unfamiliar with them they are a prominent Shi’a group who has forcibly taken control of towns near the Iranian border. They are also calling for an immediate withdrawl of US forces and a forced Islamic state.

Others agree that Bush sent a message to Khalilzad, but do not discuss what was said, or what he said during the meeting.

]]> By: I-RIGHT-I http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/29/george-w-bush-iraqi-kingmaker/comment-page-1/#comment-489722 I-RIGHT-I Wed, 29 Mar 2006 21:31:29 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/29/george-w-bush-iraqi-kingmaker/#comment-489722 "Haider al-Ubady, a spokesman for Mr. Jaafari, said the prime minister had received the ambassador's message and accused the Americans of trying to subvert Iraqi sovereignty." <b>iIraqi sovereignty? That's some funny stuff. Just like in Germany and Japan, we'll tell you when you've earned the privilege of calling yourselves a sovereign people. Until then do exactly what we tell you or we'll get someone in there that will. It's really that simple. </b> “Haider al-Ubady, a spokesman for Mr. Jaafari, said the prime minister had received the ambassador’s message and accused the Americans of trying to subvert Iraqi sovereignty.”

iIraqi sovereignty? That’s some funny stuff. Just like in Germany and Japan, we’ll tell you when you’ve earned the privilege of calling yourselves a sovereign people. Until then do exactly what we tell you or we’ll get someone in there that will. It’s really that simple.

]]> By: I-RIGHT-I http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/29/george-w-bush-iraqi-kingmaker/comment-page-1/#comment-489721 I-RIGHT-I Wed, 29 Mar 2006 21:31:10 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/29/george-w-bush-iraqi-kingmaker/#comment-489721 "Haider al-Ubady, a spokesman for Mr. Jaafari, said the prime minister had received the ambassador's message and accused the Americans of trying to subvert Iraqi sovereignty." <b>iIraqi sovereignty? That's some funny stuff. Just like in German and Japan, we'll tell you when you've earned the privilege of calling yourselves a sovereign people. Until then do exactly what we tell you or we'll get someone in there that will. It's really that simple. </b> “Haider al-Ubady, a spokesman for Mr. Jaafari, said the prime minister had received the ambassador’s message and accused the Americans of trying to subvert Iraqi sovereignty.”

iIraqi sovereignty? That’s some funny stuff. Just like in German and Japan, we’ll tell you when you’ve earned the privilege of calling yourselves a sovereign people. Until then do exactly what we tell you or we’ll get someone in there that will. It’s really that simple.

]]> By: paul http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/29/george-w-bush-iraqi-kingmaker/comment-page-1/#comment-489641 paul Wed, 29 Mar 2006 20:38:04 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/29/george-w-bush-iraqi-kingmaker/#comment-489641 Democracy is on the march ... eyes right! Democracy is on the march … eyes right!

]]> By: ANDY http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/29/george-w-bush-iraqi-kingmaker/comment-page-1/#comment-489557 ANDY Wed, 29 Mar 2006 19:18:05 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/29/george-w-bush-iraqi-kingmaker/#comment-489557 dear ms morely, i will be out of town. dear ms morely, i will be out of town.

]]> By: kindness http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/29/george-w-bush-iraqi-kingmaker/comment-page-1/#comment-489547 kindness Wed, 29 Mar 2006 19:08:58 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/29/george-w-bush-iraqi-kingmaker/#comment-489547 33 - we'll crap in the sandbox AND THEN leave it.... 33 – we’ll crap in the sandbox AND THEN leave it….

]]> By: DrSinker http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/29/george-w-bush-iraqi-kingmaker/comment-page-1/#comment-489545 DrSinker Wed, 29 Mar 2006 19:05:27 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/29/george-w-bush-iraqi-kingmaker/#comment-489545 Anyone else spot that today W blamed the recent violence in Iraq on Saddam? It's all Saddam's fault. Check out http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/03/29/bush.iraq.ap/index.html Who knew that the nutjob in court was more powerful than the entire American democracy engine? Anyone else spot that today W blamed the recent violence in Iraq on Saddam? It’s all Saddam’s fault. Check out

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/03/29/bush.iraq.ap/index.html

Who knew that the nutjob in court was more powerful than the entire American democracy engine?

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