Bush Says Global Warming May Be “Natural”
Bush Says Global Warming May Be “Natural”
During a speech today, President Bush said “First of all, the globe is warming. The fundamental debate — is it manmade or natural?” Actually, that’s no longer a debate, at least among the overwhelming majority of scientists. The Guardian reports:
Natural variation in the Earth’s climate, or changes in solar activity or volcanic eruptions, which have been suggested as alternative explanations for rising temperatures, could not explain the data collected in the real world. Models based on man-made emissions of greenhouse gases matched the observations almost precisely.
“What absolutely nailed it was the greenhouse model,†Dr [Tim] Barnett [of the Scripps Institution of Oceanography in La Jolla, California] told the American Association for the Advancement of Science conference in Washington. Two models, one designed in Britain and one here in the US, got it almost exactly. We were stunned.â€
…Only the greenhouse models replicated the changes that have been observed in practice. “All the potential culprits have been ruled out except one,†Dr Barnett said.
It is also the position, curiously enough, of the Bush administration’s EPA since 2002. From the Christian Science Monitor:
In a report to the United Nations, the Environmental Protection Agency says that man-made greenhouse gases in the US will increase 43 percent between 2000 and 2020. And while acknowledging some scientific uncertainties, the EPA says that the recent warming trend “is real and has been particularly strong within the past 20 years … due mostly to human activities.”
How much longer will Bush keep his head in the sand?
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March 29th, 2006 at 3:54 pmThe Globe is warming? Does he mean that thing sitting in classrooms (for now) around the nation?
March 29th, 2006 at 3:55 pmBirds do it
Bees do it
Even chimpanzees in trees do it!
March 29th, 2006 at 3:57 pmRewrite
Birds knew it
bees knew it
Even chimpanzees in trees knew it!
But they are all smarter than chimpy Mcbushitlerhalliburtonmamasboy!
March 29th, 2006 at 4:01 pmIt’s warming because of either Saddam or Clinton, or the lack of positive media coverage.
March 29th, 2006 at 4:01 pm“How much longer will Bush keep his head in the sand?”
How much longer will he be in office? What, about 1000 days?
#1 - Does that mean we cut the Universe in half and count the rings???? ;-)
March 29th, 2006 at 4:01 pmTeach the debate is what these guys do. That is, they manufacture the debate and rely upon the uncritically dualistic thinking of the MSM to promulgate it. Don’t count on Bush chnging here. Remember he shook up his staff by subbing Bolten for Card.
March 29th, 2006 at 4:02 pm“How much longer will Bush keep his head in the sand?” If it’s Saudi sand, forever.
March 29th, 2006 at 4:02 pmJudd asks:
“How much longer will Bush keep his head in the sand?”
I answer:
About 2 years and 10 months (January of ‘09).
March 29th, 2006 at 4:03 pmIs this fucking idiot actually the “president” of the United States?
March 29th, 2006 at 4:05 pmAll natural global warming caused by our burning of all natural fossil fuels and emissions from our natural fossil burning engines
March 29th, 2006 at 4:06 pmAh hah! I found it!!
http://www.backwardsbush.com/
“How much longer will (Pres.) Bush keep his head in the sand?â€
1027 days, 7 hours, 49 minutes, 43 seconds.
March 29th, 2006 at 4:07 pmThe sand has turned to stone. He will never get his head out.
March 29th, 2006 at 4:09 pmHow much longer will Bush keep his head in the sand?
March 29th, 2006 at 4:10 pmYou’re so funny, Judd.
Bush’s head is not in the sand, Judd. Man can not alter global warming any more than he caused it. When will liberals understand that? My guess is never. If man caused global warming, why are the polar caps melting on Mars? Did we cause that as well with all of the probes we’ve been sending there?
http://porkopolis.blogspot.com/ 2006/ 02/ 60-minutes-on-melting-ice-caps-on.html
March 29th, 2006 at 4:11 pm… Preznit Numbnuts cares nothing for the future of humanity. He acts like he will live forever. He prefers drinking to thinking…
If this is what money buys, send him back. Bush is defective!
March 29th, 2006 at 4:11 pmHey, Democrat Soldier, same thought again.
You in #6, me in #9.
March 29th, 2006 at 4:12 pmHow much longer will Bush keep his head in the sand?
Why doesn’t he just keep his head in the sand and crawl in after it?
March 29th, 2006 at 4:14 pmOh, for cripes sake. Can we all just agree now that he is a total, utter moron? Why is he speaking about global warming anyway? He’s not a scientist, he’s a failed CEO. What qualifies him to know jack shit about global warming?
March 29th, 2006 at 4:14 pmIs this fucking idiot actually the “president†of the United States?
Comment by Godfry Daniel
My question is who are all the morons that voted for this idiot to be president?
March 29th, 2006 at 4:17 pmTheir stupidity equals the totall brainlessness of the Moron in Chimp
Hey Iraq Vet -
Yes, the earth (and other planets) go through cycles of warming and cooling. But they normally happen over CENTURIES or EONS, not decades.
http://www.earth-policy.org/Indicators/Temp/2004.htm
http://www.grida.no/climate/vital/17.htm
Visit one of those sites, Iraq Vet. I dare you.
March 29th, 2006 at 4:17 pmAh Bush…such a narrow minded simpleton. I swear, if I didn’t know any better, I’d insist he was clinically diagnosed as being mentally handicapped.
Yes, global warming can be considered natural when you consider we were once in an ice age. However, global warming at the rate it has been getting exponentially worse is NOT natural by any stretch of the imagination. It is not natural or normal at the rate it is increasing.
Bush is trying to over-simplify as always to avoid the truth.
March 29th, 2006 at 4:19 pm#20 - …My question is who are all the morons that voted for this idiot to be president?
Their stupidity equals the totall brainlessness of the Moron in Chimp
The answer to the question is: Diebold
Diebold is not stupid. It’s owned by Republicans.
And I used to believe the US was a free country. But it continues to behave like a 3rd world banana replublic.
March 29th, 2006 at 4:20 pm#8; Bush doesn’t has his head in the sand: He has his head up Cheney’s ass!
March 29th, 2006 at 4:20 pmI am unsure why this topic draws so much ire from the right. Fact the earth is warmer now then it was 100 years ago. The point being debated, is whether this change is because of the effects of man, or a natural process. I am not sure that pointing to ice caps on mars as melting proves, or disproves the the idea that greenhouse gases created by humans are the primary cause of global warming. per Iraq vet’s post. At this time a plurality of scientists agree, that human caused green house gases are causing this climate change. A much smaller group of scientist claim that this process is natural. I think more studies need to be done. I also can’t help but think that the resistance to the idea of human caused global warming, is part of an anti-scientific movement. If we can prove scienists are wrong about global warming then, maybe they are wrong about evolution as well.
Any one else have an idea on this?
March 29th, 2006 at 4:21 pmMarch 29th, 2006 at 4:22 pm
Iraq Vet - That may be true, but have you ever heard of the Bio Dome?
This is a controlled experiement in Arizona that is a sealed, and controlled enviroment. They have monitored the effects of excess carbon monoxide and various other products in the air, and have found a DIRECT correlation with higher MANMADE chemicals producing slower growth and oxygen production from the plants.
So it is scientifically proven that we are causing a large amount of this issue. PERIOD!
To prove it for yourself….. You can park you car in a garage and let it run for an hour or so with the door closed, and if you survive let us know just how difficult it was to breath.
March 29th, 2006 at 4:23 pmmoney, greed, stupidity, incompetence, ignorance, all the real conservative values… I’m sure you can think of others
March 29th, 2006 at 4:24 pmITMFA!
March 29th, 2006 at 4:26 pmletss look to the positive - At least the motherfucker, i mean president, is admitting that global warming is existing
March 29th, 2006 at 4:28 pm#21 - Listen to you and we should all go back to riding in horses and buggies. I’m going out right now buy stock in one of them buggy making companies. Twenty years ago, we were told about all of the holes in the ozone and now we are not hearing anything about them. Could it be, they were just naturally occurring? We just don’t have enough concrete data to say man is the cause of the increased temperatures. Looking one of the graphs, I would question why temperatures went up durign the forties and then went down during the next three decades when this was a time when many second and third world countries were increasing their industrial output.
March 29th, 2006 at 4:30 pm31, just a guess, im no expert, but a couple of nukes can really raise the temp
March 29th, 2006 at 4:32 pmIf you all feel so strongly about this, put the issue on the democratic party platform. Then try to explain why you are going to cause the shutdown of factory after factory because of environmental reasons. Try to explain why we are going to be riding more bikes. Funny thing is, I don’t remember Clinton pursuing a hydrogen car or building more nuclear power plants during his years. What is it that you want us to do about global warming specifically?
March 29th, 2006 at 4:37 pm#15 - that is hands down the dumbest thing I’ve seen today.
clue #1 - if any ice exists on Mar’s poles, it’s under the surface. Any surface moisture has been wicked from the planet due to it’s lack of a decent atmosphere & the dryness. I’ve read reports that suggest that since Mars doesn’t have a magnetic field, like the earth does, solar storms sweep any water molecules right out of the atmosphere & into space.
Iraq Vet you sir are a dumb troll.
March 29th, 2006 at 4:43 pmWe don’t need to shut down factories, we need to reduce the emission from the existing ones. Clinton passed a number of EPA mandates, that helped to reduce pollution from factories etc, however Bush either repealed those laws, or changed them to allow for more pollution. One very simple start would be to start changing our fuel over to say bio-desiels or alcohol fuels in motor vehicles. This would also help wean us from oil dependancy. solving 2 problems with one stone so to speak. Also requiring a factory to produce less emmissions does not cause it to shut down. I know the republican talking point to this is we will kill business if we require this, but I can assure you that the oil industry is doing fine. If they are so concerned about the effect on business, why not provide tax breaks to companies that comply with clean air laws?
just a few thoughts on how to change.
March 29th, 2006 at 4:43 pmThe latest Gallup poll shows that Americans’ top three concerns, in order, are access to healthcare, Social Security, and “availability and affordability of energy.”
And guess what, these are the areas they agree most with democrats on, and the least with republicans on.
March 29th, 2006 at 4:44 pmSpecifically, increase fuel economy standards and implement the emission rules Clinton put in place and Bush rolled back. Move towards the goal, don’t throw up your hands and say we can’t get there today without riding bikes or horse and buggy. We can get there eventually, but we have to start today.
Your ignorance on the ozone issue is astounding. We banned CFCs and the holes began shrinking. That’s why you don’t hear about them. Implement common sense solutions for greenhouse emissions and you won’t have to listen to people complaining about global warming, either.
Or put your stake in the ground of ignorance and expect to be called on it.
March 29th, 2006 at 4:44 pm(caugh) Koyoto
aka A C C O U N T A B I L I T Y
March 29th, 2006 at 4:45 pm” Funny thing is, I don’t remember Clinton pursuing a hydrogen car or building more nuclear power plants during his years. What is it that you want us to do about global warming specifically? Comment by Iraq Vet ”
Ignorance is bliss. Go google PNGV.
Just because you’re ignorant of a fact, doesn’t mean your ignorance is reality.
March 29th, 2006 at 4:46 pm#33 - Since when did taking responsibility for our pollution call for shutting down factories? Not once.
What is being asked to do is to ramp up the technology for controlling the exhaust of pollutants and greenhouse gasses. The policy is not “Shut down immediately untiil you have it perfect!” The policy is not “We’ll let you do it when you feel like it!”
The policy is to encourage companies to invest in the current technologies that reduce emissions over time. Tie all the current tax give-a-ways to investing into the technologies.
You’re the one running around doing the chicken-little impersonation “Trying to ‘go green’ will cause factories to shut down! The boogie man is going to destroy our economy!” If you didn’t just react to news and actually did your research into common sense approaches, maybe you wouldn’t ruffle your feathers every time the Democrats offer policies.
Don’t forget, it was the Republicans that said Pres. Clinton’s policies would cause massive deficits and higher unemployment. They were wrong, but could never bring themselves to admit it. Will you continue to “react” or start to “act”???
March 29th, 2006 at 4:47 pm“What is it that you want us to do about global warming specifically?
Comment by Iraq Vet — March 29, 2006 @ 4:37 pm ”
How about investing in new technology that can wing us from OIL? But no the president would rather line the pockets of the oil industry with perks, tax cuts, and favors.
How about being proactive? How about placing AMERICA before CORPORATIONS? How about trying to make an effort?
How about actually doing something you say you will do instead of providing lip service and continue to rape the country?
Bush - we believe that education is the corner stone of our country.
Bush Budget - Cuts 1.7 Billion from Education.
How about something to this effect? Just a thought!!!!
March 29th, 2006 at 4:48 pmListen to you and we should all go back to riding in horses and buggies.
Never said that. I’m saying we should look at ways to have more clean energy. Like windpower. You don’t really need to import that from Saudi Arabia. And when you use it, you don’t create greenhouse gasses.
I’m going out right now buy stock in one of them buggy making companies.
The Amish appreciate your business.
Twenty years ago, we were told about all of the holes in the ozone and now we are not hearing anything about them. Could it be, they were just naturally occurring?
No. Twenty years ago is when some the increase in temperatures began to accelerate, though.
We just don’t have enough concrete data to say man is the cause of the increased temperatures.
No, we have it. You just choose to ignore it. Kinda like evolution.
Looking one of the graphs, I would question why temperatures went up durign the forties and then went down during the next three decades when this was a time when many second and third world countries were increasing their industrial output.
How about sheer volume of gasses? The world’s population is pumping out many times more greenhouse gasses than back then. There are more of us driving cars. More of us using electricity (from burning coal and oil).
Simple science, dude.
March 29th, 2006 at 4:49 pmMore “clean technology” resources. (Guess what? More jobs to implement and support these technologies and they CAN’T all be out-sources to India!)
http://www.greenhouse.gov.au/demonstrationfund/
http://www.csiro.au/ csiro/ content/ standard/ psyt,,.html
http://www.energy.gov/environment/climatechange.htm
http://www.ucsusa.org/ clean_vehicles/ cars_pickups_suvs/ technologies-to-reduce-vehicle-greenhouse-gases.html
http://europa.eu.int/ scadplus/ leg/ en/ lvb/ l28109.htm
March 29th, 2006 at 4:52 pmWhile Global warming cycles are standard, our current one is not. Massive global warming and climate change tends to destroy a significant amount of life on the planet. Even if you’re a retard who doesn’t believe it’s man made, it’s as real as Katrina and even more dangerous. The head in the sand ‘well what should we do’ is exactly the sort of non-creative, pessimistic and idiotic response one expects from the reichwing. The whole point of CONservativism is the CON that you already know all of the answers, or what you don’t know isn’t really important. The premise of the movement, it’s ideology and its values are moronic.
March 29th, 2006 at 4:53 pmThe money we’ve spent on the war in Iraq could have been applied to wind generation and bioethanol facilities which would have freed us from ANY Iraqi or even middle eastern oil. Reichwingers have no vision, and apparently no math skills.
March 29th, 2006 at 4:55 pmGlobal warming would significantly be reduced if the President, the Vice President, all of BushCo, all Republican pundits, neo-cons would all shut their hot-air spewing cake holes.
March 29th, 2006 at 4:58 pmYou’d think with all the hot air spewing from the Right, they could erect some wind generators to capture some of the energy.
March 29th, 2006 at 5:01 pmThe republican war on science is back in full swing. There isn’t any debate; just the clowns at places like the Competitive Economic Institute who post their crap curtesy of FOX News (aka the BTN). The fossil fuel lobby PR campaign goes like this:
initial position: global warming isn’t happening
fallback position: there is a great deal of ‘confusion’ in the ‘ongoing debate’
secondary fallback position: global warming is good for you (along with toxic sludge)
ENRON/HALLIBURTON = Bush/Cheney (note the energy company invovlement)
March 29th, 2006 at 5:01 pmsome of it is natural, but we don’t need to help it any with our pollution…
March 29th, 2006 at 5:02 pmThe premise of the movement, it’s ideology
I still think this debate from the republicans is intended to cast doubts on science as a whole. They are already battling science over evolution vs creationism. If they can further sully the reputation of science, maybe the feel a better chance at winning that debate. I don’t think this is truly over whether global warming is human caused or not.
March 29th, 2006 at 5:03 pmIts partly human nature to be afraid of change, also, would you give up your money, power and control, just to save the Earth? The funny thing is, we are really not destroying the planet, we are destroying the current biosphere which supports all the current forms of life. Earth will go on no matter what we do, we only will be eliminating ourselves, and make room for something else to dominate later on.
March 29th, 2006 at 5:05 pmIraqVet:
Despite what bobcat_grad says, it’s a complex issue–which is why really, really smart guys called scientitists have been working on this problem for years. The thermal processes of this planet, while based on clear and simple laws, are working in a complex interactive environment. Which is why global warming could freeze the ass off Europe, for example.
However, the scientific community agrees on it now. Global wwarming is real, and we caused it.
To engage in debate about this, you have two choices:
1)go and read the scholarly journals and books on the subject and i offer detailed criticisms of their methodology and data.
2)quote climatologists who disagree with the assessment, and agree with them.
Getting your science from Limbaugh and Hannity ais not an option.
There was a time when the Republican Party aligned themselves with the scientists and engineers, and laughed at the Democrats as touchy-feely humanities types.
What a difference talk radio makes.
March 29th, 2006 at 5:09 pmReichwingers have no vision, and apparently no math skills.
Comment by Ryan Neat
They don’t need them. They’ve got intelligent design.
March 29th, 2006 at 5:13 pmHIS HEAD IS …..NOT…..IN THE SAND. HE..IS…A…LIAR…IMMORAL…..AND PLAYING GAMES. HE KNOWS….HE JUST DOESNT’ CARE
March 29th, 2006 at 5:14 pmOk lets say that Global warming is natural. Its still there, and still is a problem for the human race to sustain itself. I have already e-mailed the junk science guy on how the Republicans are de-legitimizing science to win their short term agendas. I said the de-legitiamizing of science is going to still bite everyone as we will not turn to science to battle and overcome global warming, whether man made or not. We still need science to survive this. And the stupid, short sighted, grab the money, fearful, cant have a change, Repukes are putting short term profits over their own, and everyone elses survival. It would not be safe or profitable to give oil the finger, all the current establishments depend on oil and wars. What would the Pentagon do if we didn’t need oil anymore? What would all the Repukes do with themselves if we got off the oil? Oil is needed far more to maintain riches, power, and establishments than it is needed for energy. If all the oil dried up tomorrow, we would figure it out, necessity is the mother of invention.
March 29th, 2006 at 5:15 pm“They don’t need them. They’ve got intelligent design. Comment by Joe Sixpack ”
Then maybe they can tell me what’s so intelligent about their nipples (the men) and their appendix. :)
“There was a time when the Republican Party aligned themselves with the scientists and engineers, and laughed at the Democrats as touchy-feely humanities types. Comment by pbg”
That’s only because many scientists didn’t participate in peer reviews, so they were telling everyone that Asbestos and Cigarettes were good for you :)
March 29th, 2006 at 5:17 pm31 gives a perfect example of what has been the objective of PR for the extractive resource/energy industries- say that there isn’t enough data/research/results to make a conclusive decision, while simultaneously funding research whose only purpose is to allow same.
Nice racket.
March 29th, 2006 at 5:18 pmI read a report recently where some ranchers were eager to locate wind generators on their grazing ranges. The royalties that they would receive would return royalties of about $3000 yearly per ¼ acre used and the land would still be available for grazing. The article indicated that the energy produced would be enough to provide all of the United States’ electrical power needs if this proposal were 30-40% utilized (based on the amount of available acreage).
March 29th, 2006 at 5:20 pmWalt,
Yeah, but it’s harder to raise the price at the pump when the energy is nearly free from the wind.
March 29th, 2006 at 5:25 pmAnd every moron in the red states just looked at each other and said, “So that’s why the globe is warming. Pass me the fried chicken.” Bush says those things because he knows the brainless masses who voted for him are happiest when they are given easy explanations.
March 29th, 2006 at 5:28 pmIn fact the consensus of the scientific community on this issue is OVERWHELMING. It is clear that global warming is real and that we’re a significant cause of it.
A lot more information from scientists (written so that most people can understand it) can be found at
http://www.realclimate.org
March 29th, 2006 at 5:30 pmiraq vet, and all… get comfy, well worth the read…
March 29th, 2006 at 5:31 pmCrimes Against Nature
“Bush is sabotaging the laws that have protected America’s environment for more than thirty years”
Ryan,
March 29th, 2006 at 5:31 pmIt’s not really free - there are installation and maintenance costs. The net costs still fall below the petrolium alternative and all of the money used stays in the good old USA (Unless they build the turbines off-shore.).
The reason Bush refuses to acknowlege that it global warming is caused by humans is because then he would have to do something about it. The emmissions from cars is just the thing he wants. He is involved with oil. He makes money from it. Now why would he want to loose money. Why do you think that Bin Laden hasn’t been captured but Saddam and his people have? Watch Ferenheit 911. It explains it all.
March 29th, 2006 at 5:51 pm“It’s not really free - there are installation and maintenance costs. Walt”
Agreed, but most of the costs are installation, meaning that if the government invested that money in deploying wind, the actual month to month costs would have been much lower than our oil prices.
March 29th, 2006 at 6:03 pm#64
March 29th, 2006 at 6:04 pmWe have the same name. It’s a good thing we think alike. We should devise a method to differentiate between us.
First of all, BushCo has been reported by some to have difficulty, at times, with 100% truthfullness. The fundemental debate, is this a deliberate attempt to decieve the Merican public, or simply the natural state of the administration, or both??
March 29th, 2006 at 6:17 pmI’d hypothesize that the ceaseless stream of methane (which has proven to be at least as big a problem as carbon dioxide) issuing from Dubya’s MOUTH is at least three Hummers’ worth.
March 29th, 2006 at 6:24 pmHow much longer will Bush keep his head in the sand?
That is not where he has his head.
March 29th, 2006 at 6:28 pmRyan,
March 29th, 2006 at 6:33 pmI agree with you on the costs, but I am 65 and could be dead by the time there is a positive return in twenty or thirty years. Precocious, adorable granddaughter is five. Why should I care about what she has to face? After all, what have my predecessors done for me? Isn’t drawing on the wall of a cave with burnt sticks as effective as the WEB? Why not live in the treetops instead of cozy homes? Walking is better for your health than traveling by car. Sheet, what have we regressed to?
Strap junior to the appropriate Rocket and send his ass to the Sun.
March 29th, 2006 at 7:23 pmIf he brings back molten rock, he can stay in the W.H. for one more month.
Spudge_Boy,
March 29th, 2006 at 7:29 pmThe only dinosaur left on this planet to fart is our beloved Vice! Prezident.
Does ths criminal of a president have investments in beachfront property in Kansas? That is the only explanation why he seems to welcome the rising sea levels.
March 29th, 2006 at 7:29 pmThe fundamental debate — is it manmade or natural?
G.W. Bush
Who gives a flying fuck?
Global warming is a very very bad thing. It will cause all kinds of fuck up shit to happen to our planet.
Ecosystems will be destroyed, some areas will freeze, others will turn into uninhabitable deserts, and still others will flood. Katrinas will be commonplace and entire economies will collapse.
The point is - it doesn’t fucking matter what’s causing it. What matters is what can we do to stem the tide and to slow the process.
So there it is - Not knowing what’s causing Global Warming does not free you from the responsibility of doing something about it!
By the way - I know it’s us causing it… I’m just saying that’s no excuse.
March 29th, 2006 at 8:10 pmand your (bushyboy) “stupid” azzzz is natural to. dang, whoever voted for this prick ought to be ashamed of themselves and who voted for him twice get your bdu’s and go fight. there just can’t be anybody stupider than this prick, seriously.
March 29th, 2006 at 9:12 pmDoes ths criminal of a president have investments in beachfront property in Kansas? That is the only explanation why he seems to welcome the rising sea levels.
Comment by Hardy Haberman — March 29, 2006 @ 7:29 pm
Don’t know but for an interesting exercise take a geological survey map of the coast of Florida(or any other gulf coast state and color all the land that is only ten feet or less above sea level BLUE and see just how much “REAL ESTATE is lost” if global warming is real and sea level rises. Wonder why the banks and real estate companies don’t think this one through….Areas of San Francisco Bay property do not stand uyp to this little exercise very well either, but Denver is still safe.
March 29th, 2006 at 9:59 pmWe could not have elected any larger of an idiot than we did.
March 29th, 2006 at 10:02 pmHey, if we keep on polluting the shit out of this planet than maybe we’ll at least succeed in killing all us polluting humans off of it sooner than later. Than all of us green environmentalist types will leave earth to be a nice untouched ball of wonderfulness.
Just a thought…
March 30th, 2006 at 12:07 amLook, haven’t you been listening to the President?
He did’nt cause global warming. His ignorance of the effect isn’t continuing global warming. His policies are not continuing the trend. The world consuming fossil fuels in a geometric progression aren’t the cause.
It was all caused by Saddam Hussein and his methane producing camels of mass destruction!
Honestly, I would like to hear some kind of frank discussion of the scientific data supporting the natural versus man-made causes of the phenomenon. However, there is so much money currently at stake, that I don’t think it is ever presented without a bias.
March 30th, 2006 at 12:09 amBush has never cared about the environment > heck he even chainsaws down live trees on his property in Texas for fun! I am surprised that he has not cut down all the White House trees yet > lol.
March 30th, 2006 at 12:30 amSo, the next governor of Florida will campaign in waders. That doesn’t bother the red necks - they will fish from the roof and the water will be close enough so they will not need a boat. Driving the SUV is another issue. Gaud, what will those retards do. Last words of a true repug redneck - “Hey guys - look at what I can do…”
March 30th, 2006 at 1:04 amThe temperature and rising sea levels may not be the worst effect of burning fossil fuel,
“When CO2 dissolves into the ocean, it creates carbonic acid–the same acid found in soda pop. The oceans have dissolved so much CO2 during the past 150 years that the acidity of the oceans’ surface waters has substantially increased. …
…Corals and other creatures that build shells out of calcium carbonate are particularly vulnerable, since they cannot form their shells if the acidity passes a critical level–their shells will dissolve. Several shell-building planktonic organisms, such as coccolithophorids, pteropods, and foraminifera, form an important basis of the food chain in the cold waters surrounding Antarctica….
…it will take more than 10,000 years for the ocean to return to its pre-1800s acidity level. ”
I really hope the fundamlists are right and all the main stream scientific comunity is wrong.
March 30th, 2006 at 1:24 amPlease forgive my spelling errors. Its late and I’m tired.
March 30th, 2006 at 1:29 amI predict Georgie Boy will start to feel a lot warmer in 2007 and will resign rather than face the heat. I hear Cheney’s bunker is really cool.
March 30th, 2006 at 3:52 amquite ironic that you should quote the guardian to highlight what a moron your president is, when on their blog you will find the headline - global warming does exist, but its not our fault and we can’t do anything about it. Seriously. I thought it must have been one of these satirical or ironic headlines. How wrong i was…
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/ johnjoe_mcfadden/ 2006/ 03/ the_earth_is_becoming_a_warmer.html
March 30th, 2006 at 4:19 amThen maybe they can tell me what’s so intelligent about their nipples (the men) and their appendix. :)
Comment by Ryan Neat — March 29, 2006 @ 5:17 pm
Another part of that which I find amusing is their Bible story about how woman came from man.
For those reading this who don’t know, males are actually genetically evolved from females - the originators of life. It was due to an evolutionary trigger (to obtain greater species diversity for survival) that the X chromosome evolved a partner Y chromosome - therefore creating the male gender. This raised the bar for survival of the fittest, because there was a greater pool of genes to be selected from, making certain inferior traits ‘recessive’.
Male nipples are, like the appendix, a fact of evolution. In the case of male nipples, they show that all life starts out female (the egg), and in utero, evolves into a male with the presence of the Y chromosome. The evolution of the X chromosome into a partner Y is actually very simple. (Something sure to work the neocon patriarch squad into a frenzy). It’s just that because the results are so amplified that people think there had to be divine intervention in the process. Not so.
Ryan, as a side note, you seem to know a lot about law. I had an incident at school yesterday that I believed crossed the line and wondered if there were any websites you might recommend for a layman to understand what my rights are in context to religious objections in the classroom and by parents. There’s good reason we have a science decline in this country. And, like global warming, it’s created a huge freaking mess.
March 30th, 2006 at 7:34 amI’d hypothesize that the ceaseless stream of methane (which has proven to be at least as big a problem as carbon dioxide) issuing from Dubya’s MOUTH is at least three Hummers’ worth.
Comment by Glenn Becker — March 29, 2006 @ 6:24 pm
That’s all? I figured at least 1 million methane laden cows worth ; )
March 30th, 2006 at 7:42 amI hear Cheney’s bunker is really cool.
Comment by Optimystic — March 30, 2006 @ 3:52 am
If you’re into coffins ;)
March 30th, 2006 at 7:46 amThe last stats I saw said that we are already delaying the next Ice Age by 2,000 years (they tend to occur after 10,000 years of warmth) and we could be delaying it by up to 25,000 year. It’s gotten that bad with the build up of Greenhouse gases.
March 30th, 2006 at 7:51 amAh yes, those impeachable models. We all know that science models are never wrong. Nope.
It’s funny that they say natural variability, such as the Sun, could not explain any of the data in the real world. Why? Because their models haven’t taken the Sun into consideration.
In other words, their models assume that things will just keep getting warmer and warmer, no matter what the Sun does. Sorry to burst the bubble, but the Sun decides how warm we are.
Oh, and apparently we’ve been polluting Mars too - Mars too has experienced “global warming”.
In the 1970s it was “global cooling”. Now it’s global warming. I guess there’s no such thing as “global statis”.
March 30th, 2006 at 9:57 amOnly in seasonal fluxuations, otherwise, it maintains a constant temperature, and we maintain a predictably regular orbit around it.
What’s causing the overheating is known as The Greenhouse Effect. Where CO2 traps in the solar radiation, so the more we have, the more we retain.
It’s not the sun controlling this, it’s the atmosphere. You can google the subject to learn more.
March 30th, 2006 at 11:10 amIn the 1970s it was “global coolingâ€. Now it’s global warming. I guess there’s no such thing as “global statisâ€.
Comment by Seixon — March 30, 2006 @ 9:57 am
Nope, change is a normal cycle of life and the universe.
March 30th, 2006 at 11:12 amSometime in my recent memory is a severe volcano in the Pacific that spewed enough ash into the atmosphere to cause a brief period of global cooling. Then there was Krakatau in the 19th century that caused some serious cooling and would have shut down the airlines if it had occurred during the jet age.
March 30th, 2006 at 11:35 amWhat seems to be a consistant eruption is the stink gas coming out of Bush’s mouth.
March 30th, 2006 at 1:29 pmGlobal warming might be significantly slowed if we could just get him to stop farting through his teeth.
Another pearl of wisdom from the leader of the one eye-browed, basement dwelling , mouth breathers. You go Dumbya.
March 30th, 2006 at 5:34 pmIf you order a package from Omaha Steaks, you can observe the greenhouse effect. Just take the cooler full of dry ice outdoors at twilight. Shine a flash light into the cooler asnd you will notice a reflective effect. Next hit the dry ice with a propane torch - better do this on a concrete or stone surface. You will see lots of gas but nary a reflection. This is the premise of the greenhouse effect. Excited carbon dioxide will let energy in, but unexcited carbon dioxide (as in the middle atmosphere) will contain it. Net result is that Crawford will be beachfront property in about 90 years.
March 30th, 2006 at 10:32 pm[…] Tony Blair has called climate change “perhaps the most challenging collective action problem the world has faced.” Innumerable theoretical and practical examples of the growing magnitude of the problem abound, as in this Washington Post article on the difficulties faced by the Inuit in Canada as average temperatures across the nation this winter were 7 degrees higher than normal. Or the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season, which was the most active in the 154 years that records have been kept. Yet President Bush stated in a speech Wednesday that “the globe is warming” but continued that there is a debate as to whether it is manmade or natural. […]
March 31st, 2006 at 2:53 amIt’s the end of the world as we know it (and I feel fine)…or….How many moonbats can dance on the head of a pin?
Economic Growth-Our Common Foe
By Neil K. Dawe
There seems to be recognition that economic growth is the root cause of climate change along with a host of other environmental problems
25 March, 2006
The Pollution Gap
By Andy McSmith
Over 70 million Africans and an even greater number of farmers in the Indian sub-continent will suffer catastrophic floods, disease and famine if the rich countries of the world fail to change their habits and radically cut their carbon emissions
Fiddling As The Earth Burns
By Captain Paul Watson
This week the United Nations issued a 92 page Biodiversity Outlook Report. Like every other U.N. previously released report, this warning will be predictably filed and ignored. The report states that humans are responsible for the worst spate of extinctions since the dinosaurs and urges nations to make unprecedented extra efforts to reach a goal of slowing losses by 2010
24 March, 2006
‘Glacial Earthquakes’ Warn Of Global Warming
By Steve Connor
Dramatic new evidence has emerged of the speed of climate change in the polar regions which scientists fear is causing huge volumes of ice to melt far faster than predicted
14 March, 2006
Arctic Sea Ice Fails To Re-form
By Steve Connor
Sea ice in the Arctic has failed to re-form for the second consecutive winter, raising fears that global warming may have tipped the polar regions in to irreversible climate change far sooner than predicted
01 March, 2006
The Water Wars
By Ben Russell and Nigel Morris
Across the world, they are coming: the water wars. From Israel to India, from Turkey to Botswana, arguments are going on over disputed water supplies that may soon burst into open conflict
27 February, 2006
Is The Problem Weather, Or Is It War?
By Robert Fisk
Something more serious is happening to our planet which we are not being told about
24 February, 2006
How To Bury Global Warming
By Froma Harrop
Wallace Broecker,one of the planet’s top Earth scientists, says he likes windmills and fuel-efficient cars to the extent that they can buy time against global warming. But the ultimate solution has to be technology that can actually extract carbon dioxide from the air and power plants, and bury it
Hotter, Faster, Worser
By John Atcheson
Over the past several months, the normally restrained voice of science has taken on a distinct note of panic when it comes to global warming
17 February, 2006
Climate change: On The Edge
By Jim Hansen
Greenland ice cap breaking up at twice the rate it was five years ago, says scientist Bush tried to gag
Sea Levels Likely To Rise Much Faster
Than Was Predicted
By Steve connor
Global warming is causing the Greenland ice cap to disintegrate far faster than anyone predicted. A study of the region’s massive ice sheet warns that sea levels may - as a consequence - rise more dramatically than expected
14 February, 2006
As The Arctic Ice Retreats,
The Old Great Game Begins
By Ben Macintyre
Climate is changing the world’s economy as well as the environment, and the thawing of the polar ice is opening up the Arctic as never before, creating shipping routes and fishing grounds, promising tourism opportunities and, most lucratively, the exploitation of new oil and gas fields
13 February, 2006
Evangelicals Do A 180
By Saul Rosenthal
We may be destined, sooner rather than later, to follow into extinction the thousands of failed species that have preceded us. And not necessarily out of inexorable entropy, evolutionary fatigue or decay, but out of a failed character, a moral failure, a failure to surmount the beast in us, the hate, the bigotry, the envy, the greed, the egomania, the vindictiveness, the hubris, the lust for power and profit, the drive for exploitation, for dominion over our fellow creatures
11 February, 2006
Global Warming: Passing The ‘Tipping Point’
By Michael McCarthy
Research commissioned by The Independent reveals that the accumulation of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere has now crossed a threshold, set down by scientists from around the world at a conference in Britain last year, beyond which really dangerous climate change is likely to be unstoppable
10 February, 2006
World Is At Its Warmest For A Millennium
By Steve Connor
The entire northern hemisphere is experiencing a sustained period of warming that is unprecedented in the past millennium. A review of a range of temperature records, from tree rings and ice cores to historical documents, has found that at no time since the 9th century have temperatures been so consistently high
09 February, 2006
Evangelical Leaders Call For
Government Action On Warming
By Jim Lobe
Breaking with some of their colleagues in the Christian Right, a group of more than 85 U.S. evangelical Christian leaders called on Congress Wednesday to enact legislation that would reduce emissions of greenhouse gases
03 February, 2006
Capitalism Or A Habitable Planet -
You Can’t Have Both
By Robert Newman
Our economic system is unsustainable by its very nature. The only response to climate chaos and peak oil is major social change
30 January, 2006
Climate Poses Increased Threat, Admits Blair
By Michael McCarthy
Tony Blair has admitted that the risks of climate change may be more serious than previously thought
Sea Warming Hits Japan’s Fisheries
By Suvendrini Kakuchi
Japan, a voracious consumer of marine resources, is now discovering that the drastic depletion of its own fish stocks is linked to the loss of underwater seaweed colonies — caused, in turn, by rising sea temperatures
27 January, 2006
2005 Was Warmest Year On Record: NASA
By Deborah Zabarenko
Last year was the warmest recorded on Earth’s surface, and it was unusually hot in the Arctic
25 January, 2006
How Hot Does It Have To Get
By Lucinda Marshall
It is time to make peace with our planet, to apologize for the damage done and to humbly ask for a chance to tend our hearth with mercy, even if we can no longer make amends
20 January, 2006
‘We Are Past The Point Of No Return’
By Michael McCarthy
The world has already passed the point of no return for climate change, and civilisation as we know it is now unlikely to survive, according to James Lovelock, the scientist and green guru who conceived the idea of Gaia - the Earth which keeps itself fit for life
The Earth Is About To Catch A Morbid Fever
By James Lovelock
The climate centres around the world, which are the equivalent of the pathology lab of a hospital, have reported the Earth’s physical condition, and the climate specialists see it as seriously ill, and soon to pass into a morbid fever that may last as long as 100,000 years
Warmer Seas Will Wipe Out Plankton
By Steve Connor
The microscopic plants that underpin all life in the oceans are likely to be destroyed by global warming, a study has found
19 January, 2006
We Could Be Ignoring The Biggest
Story In Our History
By David Ignatius
“It may seem impossible to imagine that a technologically advanced society could choose, in essence, to destroy itself, but that is what we are now in the process of doing.”
12 January, 2006
Rapidly Shrinking Arctic Ice Could Spell Trouble
For The Rest Of the World
By Robert S. Boyd
If present trends continue, as seems likely, the sea surrounding the North Pole will be completely free of ice in the summertime within the lifetime of a child born today. The loss could point the way to radical changes in the Earth’s climate and weather systems
More “Unnatural Disasters”On The Horizon
By Stephen Leahy
As the new year begins, extreme weather continues to plague the United States, and experts warn this may be the “new normal” under climate change
Major Polluters Launch Controversial
Global Warming Talks
By AFP
Some of the world’s worst polluting nations have launched a controversial conference with international business chiefs here to seek high-tech solutions to global warming
11 January, 2006
Climate Fears, Water Shortages Haunt Europe
By David Evans
France and Spain are ringing alarm bells over the climate, fearing a repeat of last year’s drought that sparked deadly forest fires, costly crop failures and widespread water rationing in southern Europe
23 December, 2005
The Struggle Against Ourselves
By George Monbiot
Ours are the most fortunate generations that have ever lived. Ours are the most fortunate generations that ever will. We inhabit the brief historical interlude between ecological constraint and ecological catastrophe
http://www.countercurrents.org/climatechange.htm
April 3rd, 2006 at 12:40 pm[…] As President Bush recently admitted, global warming is here. We are already feeling the effects of climate change on our budget as well as foreign and domestic policies. The U.S. government spent almost a billion dollars on tsunami relief including the efforts of 16,000 military personnel. Millions of refugees were created by the disaster. Total federal spending on Hurricane Katrina is estimated at over $100 billion. Imagine the cost in human and financial currency if entire American cities had to be permanently evacuated due to rising sea levels, or if Katrina-like storms became the norm rather than the exception. With a projected budget deficit of $350 billion for each of the next two years and the national debt nearing $9 trillion, these are costs that we can ill afford. […]
April 6th, 2006 at 10:39 amClimate Change is natural. The earth is tilted, it spins, it wobbles, that is why we have seasons, and “global warming” or climate change. Sheesh. We’ve had thermometers hardley even 100 years, I dont think we can compare our last ten years since 1990 to 4.5 billion which is how long the earth has been here. I think alot of people need to get their own heads out of the sand before they tell others to.
April 9th, 2006 at 2:29 pmGlad someone posted that bit about the ninth century temperature maximums. Remember what happened next - it is called the Little Ice Age.
What most global warming alarmists are missing is that there is evidence–most based on ice core samples over geologic time scales–for global temperature changes as extreme or greater than the current worst-case warming forecast models for 2100 (e.g. many degrees over a couple of decades compared to a few degres over a century).
April 10th, 2006 at 5:43 pmThanks alot for the info. We used it for a school paper on the issue.
April 24th, 2006 at 1:02 pmWhenever you tree-hugging hippies get a chance
could you *please* post links to least 10 (ten) polls
- of only climatologists - where a vast majority
state gw is not only man-made, but actually a
problem.
Can’t do it? But, everyone in the world is sure
there is consensus among an overwhelming
majority climatologists gw is man made!
Polls of average joe’s - like everyone posting here,
incl myself - carry the weight of diddly in terms of
scientific reality.
The only thing ‘man-made’ about global warming,
May 9th, 2006 at 12:48 pmis the fearmongering.
although Bush made a comment about Global warming, it’s his opinion and that’s all it is. There is scientifical evidence proving him wrong but don’t “crack” on our nations leader just because he’s said something stupid. We are all entitle to our opinions and if you have a problem with Bush, maybe you should leave the country and live in a place where you are excuted for having bad thoughts about a governmental icon. Yes the first ammendment gives us the right to say and write what we want but it makes the people of the United States look ignorant and rude when you “crack” on the president. The fact of the matter is Global Warming is going to kill the people of the world one day and although you will be dead when it happens you should care about it enough to at least do something
May 10th, 2006 at 3:19 pmalthough Bush made a comment about Global warming, it’s his opinion and that’s all it is. There is scientifical evidence proving him wrong but don’t “crack” on our nations leader just because he’s said something stupid. We are all entitle to our opinions and if you have a problem with Bush, maybe you should leave the country and live in a place where you are excuted for having bad thoughts about a governmental icon. Yes the first ammendment gives us the right to say and write what we want but it makes the people of the United States look ignorant and rude when you “crack” on the president. The fact of the matter is Global Warming is going to kill the people of the world one day and although you will be dead when it happens you should care about it enough to at least do something
May 10th, 2006 at 3:19 pm[…] “What absolutely nailed it was the greenhouse model,” Dr [Tim] Barnett [of the Scripps Institution of Oceanography in La Jolla, California] told the American Association for the Advancement of Science conference in Washington. “Two models, one designed in Britain and one here in the US, got it almost exactly. We were stunned.” (Read it and weep) […]
June 6th, 2006 at 9:27 amhi neat website for my essay thanks!!
September 10th, 2006 at 8:38 pmYou guys are honestly the greatest bunch of idea-filled garbage I’ve ever had the displeasure of seeing. After reading through a few of Iraq Vet’s posts, I can completely sympathize with his views. Everyone screams bloody murder and how carbon dioxide emissions from the 1900s are causing the temperatures to rise along with the C02 levels. I’m wondering that if this theory is true, how come global temperatures DECREASED from 1940-1970, while C02 levels INCREASED in that same period. And don’t gimme any of that “anomaly” bullshit, because 30 years is anything BUT an anomaly. If you all don’t agree I can give you the accurate references from NASA.
September 11th, 2006 at 9:39 pmhey can you guys put your theories in easier words for teens like us to understand!!!!!
November 12th, 2006 at 2:56 pmthanks!!
much help for science debate!!
Why does eveyone blame bush for global warming?!? everyone thinks that just because he’s president that he has a way to solve nature.
February 18th, 2007 at 10:14 pmIt pisses me off the way people act twords him when we all know that democrats cant do anything better.
anybody that believes in global warming isn’t educated, and has no facts to back their little crackhead theory up. you stupid mutherfuckers, i feel sorry for your bitch asses.
February 27th, 2007 at 8:03 ampool chemicals
Do you think many people may consider it?
March 16th, 2008 at 1:57 pm