Fox News: Liberal Media ‘Out To Sabotage The Economy’
Fox News: Liberal Media ‘Out To Sabotage The Economy’
According to Fox News guests, the media is ignoring all the great news about the economy just like it does in Iraq. Watch it:
Transcript:
But according to a new survey, 59 percent have bought into that crackpot notion. They rate it [the economy] as bad, very bad, or terrible, in fact, when all the facts say that just the opposite is true. So, where are the folks getting this image? My next guest says look no further than the liberal media. Larry, it’s media making the people thank the economy stinks, is that right?
But the polls don’t reflect media manipulation. Americans see the real state of the economy in their everyday lives:
- After adjusting for inflation, wages have not risen during the last three years. In fact, real hourly wages fell for most middle- and low-income workers in 2005 and the inflation-adjusted value of the minimum wage is 29 percent lower today than it was in 1979.
- The poverty rate has risen each year since 2001, with 12.7 percent of the population now living in poverty.
- Job growth during President Bush’s term has been the lowest since World War II.
Full transcript below:
FOX: And what if I told you that with the stock market is approaching multi-year highs — despite today’s figures, and unemployment below five percent, more than half of Americans think the economy is in a recession. It ain’t, folks. But according to a new survey, 59 percent have bought into that crackpot notion. They rate it as bad, very bad, or terrible, in fact, when all the facts say that just the opposite is true. So, where are the folks getting this image? My next guest says look no further than the liberal media. Radio personality Larry Elder, host of the Larry Elder Show, says that. We’re also joined by some from Cavuto on Business, who I’m sure you recognize. Lee Gallagher — she used to be with another magazine — and Charles Payne, they are here as well. But Larry, it’s media making the people thank the economy stinks, is that right?
ELDER: David, you have hit it right on the nose.
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Fox News is so funny. Is it true they are going to exchange network names with the Comedy Channel?
Peace, back by popular demand!
March 31st, 2006 at 4:05 pmDoes FOX News hire any moron walking by the building on the day a job opens up?
March 31st, 2006 at 4:05 pmDoes FOX News hire any moron walking by the building on the day a job opens up?
Comment by Quisp — March 31, 2006 @ 4:05 pm
Not exactly, you have to be a retarded relative or friend of the morons who own the joint.
March 31st, 2006 at 4:09 pmBut Larry, it’s media making the people thank the economy stinks, is that right?
At least they are finally excluding themselves from ‘the media’.
March 31st, 2006 at 4:11 pmProduction is up 2 million percent, comrades! Chocolate rations will be increased, and more victory gin made available!
March 31st, 2006 at 4:12 pmYou also have to look like a Sears catalogue model. The looks take place of the brains over there.
March 31st, 2006 at 4:14 pmIsn’t FOX the highest rated news network in the country? So, if most Americans are getting their news from FOX, and the media is to blame for attitudes about the economy and the war… doesn;t that mean FOX shares most of the blame?
March 31st, 2006 at 4:15 pmSeriously, shouldn’t Fox Cable News be Olbermann’s “Worst Person of the Day” every day?
March 31st, 2006 at 4:20 pmYou also have to look like a Sears catalogue model. The looks take place of the brains over there.
Comment by Dan — March 31, 2006 @ 4:14 pm
Depends on what you find attractive, I suppose. But Sean Hannity and Bill O’Reilly just don’t do it for me.
March 31st, 2006 at 4:20 pmThere was a time, I think, that it could be argued that FOX news was close to fair and balanced, or it waas just a bit to the right. Now they are in full progoganda mode for the RNC. I think the economy is a mixed bag right now. we are paying more for commodities, like gas, food, etc, but it is not as bad as the great depression. We need straight figures on the economy, not talking head spin.
March 31st, 2006 at 4:21 pmfox is a bunch of hacks. Period. This is not news, nor should it be called News. These blowhards dont know a single thing about the economy. They look at GDP numbers as if they are the end all and be all of economic prosperity. By most measures, for the majority of Americans, a LARGE majority, since Bush took office, the standard of living is deteriorating. About the only thing most of the people who dont reside in the top 1% of the income distribution (which is none of the people spouting off on Fox news (who all make obscene amounts of money for contributing NOTHING to society) can be happy with is that their house has risen in value. And in all likelihood, the way things are going, that wont last either. You can pretty much rest assure that we will be back in recession before Bush leaves office, and you can also pretty much assure that the reason you are hearing this horseshit now from these commentators is that they will need someone to blame when all this hot air debt laden economic growth disapppears… its called scapegoat prep, and thats all they know how to do. What a bunch of useless sacks of shit.
March 31st, 2006 at 4:21 pmDamn liberal press. . . responsible for crime in the streets, illegals flooding into America, lousy weather, sun burns at the beach, oil spills in Alaska, bush’s falling popularity, cheney’s louse aim, greedy crooked repubs. It’s time to pass a law forbidding this “free press” concept from continuing. Heck, this can’t be what the founding fathers had in mind!
March 31st, 2006 at 4:22 pmELDER: David, you have hit it right on the nose.
That is, if that nose was up your ass.
March 31st, 2006 at 4:23 pm#7, they are the most viewed cable “news” network. More people still watch CBS, NBC and ABC, they’re better, but not great.
March 31st, 2006 at 4:28 pmYet another LIE from the nutball right-wing.
George W. Bush has done more to sabotage the economy than anyone or anything else.
They believe in Jesus (but not true Christianity), so they’ve already accepted a casual relationship with reality.
They hate the “liberal” media not becasue it tells the truth but becasue it doesn’t tell THEIR truth.
March 31st, 2006 at 4:30 pmI like how when the public sides with the republicans, Fox news and the other right-wing apologists in the media blame it on the Dems. They say it is because the Dems are out of touch and do not represent the values of America.
But when the people turn on the Republicans, and side with liberal issues, Fox news and the right-wing noise machine still blame the Dems. They say the dems are evil liars who are tricking the public into believing things that aren’t true.
Yet never is any evidence, facts or proof offered to back up those claims. Never does the noise machine EVER report all these positive stories either. If FOX and the right-wing media is so anghry that nobody is covering the good stories abotu Bush or the war or life in Iraq or the economy…then why the hell aren’t THEY doing it. They’d rather complain about what others are doing than doing it themselves. That tells me it is THEIR reporting that is the lie. It is the right-wing media that are the liars.
But hey, considering they still spew out the lie about the “liberal media” boogeyman, we can’t expect intelligence and integrity now.
March 31st, 2006 at 4:34 pmIf it meant a win for the Dems, progs would watch people wearing barrels, eating out of trash cans, sleeping in their cars before they were repossessed and CHEER….
March 31st, 2006 at 4:34 pmI wish we could do the thing were we chose which cable channels we recieve. As a cable subscriber, the money I pay goes to keep these asshats in business.
March 31st, 2006 at 4:38 pmDelphi auto parts bankrupcy threatens to bankrupt an already reeling General Motors.
Yup, it’s those dirty libs who are sabatoging the economy al right.
So we have multimillionaires paying NO TAXES or getting WHOPPING TAX REFUNDS, thanks to King dumbya’s Economics for Dummies Government, but it’s still all liberals fault.
No mention of the added 3 TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT King dumbya has already brought us, it’s all the liberals fault.
So why is it that republicans claim to be the party of personal responsibility. Their best line is “The dog ate my homework!”.
March 31st, 2006 at 4:38 pmhttp://www.breitbart.com/ news/ 2006/ 03/ 31/ D8GMPHVOA.html
Howard Dean is a lying asshole. He’s no better than the other lying spinsters in the GOP.
March 31st, 2006 at 4:39 pm“If it meant a win for the Dems, progs would watch people wearing barrels, eating out of trash cans, sleeping in their cars before they were repossessed and CHEER….”
As long as it’s repugs, ex CEO’s, all the Bush admin and evangelical christians then yes, I’d be cheering! It appears the repugs are quite happy to see that in Iraq so what’s good for the goose….
March 31st, 2006 at 4:40 pm#17: If it meant a win for the Dems, progs would watch people wearing barrels, eating out of trash cans, sleeping in their cars before they were repossessed and CHEER…. - - Uh huh, I saw New Orleans and was gnashing my teeth, not cheering.
March 31st, 2006 at 4:41 pmRight now, the American people aren’t focused on economic growth; they’re concerned about economic insecurity. From stagnant wages and household incomes to out control health care and energy costs, Americans are experiencing the rising “Insecurity Index.”
For the background, see:
March 31st, 2006 at 4:41 pmThe Insecurity Index and the Bush League Economy.”
ma - Yea, times were terrible when President Clinton was PAYING DOWN OUR NATIONAL DEBT.
Honey, pull your head outta your ass. bushco is lineing up to slip something else there.
March 31st, 2006 at 4:41 pm‘If Fox said it, it’s B.S.’
March 31st, 2006 at 4:42 pmI’d say it’s Fox News Channel’s duty to deliver the good news that the “liberal media” refuses to report on. Let’s take a stroll through the Fox.com homepage, shall we?
From the “Latest Headlines” section:
•WTC 911 Tapes: ‘Please Hurry’ - Audio: 911 Tapes
•Chirac Pledges to Enact New Labor Law
•Ex-DeLay Aide Pleads Guilty In Lobbyist Fraud Probe
•70 Killed in Iran Quakes
•Army Bans Troops From Buying Own Body Armor
•Delphi Poised to Ask Judge to Void Union Contracts
•Bahrain Boat Sinking Kills 57
•Yanni Charges Dropped
•Video: Three Duke Lacrosse Players Accused of Rape
•Lawmakers Bicker Over Rep. McKinney’s Police Tussle
•Police Search Landfills for Missing N.J. Student
•Teacher Kicks Student in Groin After Dodgeball Shot
Yep…it’s just oozing with good news.
Now let’s move on over to the Business News section:
• Government Subpoenas Dozens of Companies Over Porn Law
• Delphi Poised to Ask Judge to Void Union Contracts
• Court Upholds Vioxx Class Action Against Merck
• Whirlpool Completes Maytag Acquisition
• Shareholders OK Guidant, Boston Scientific Deal
• Factory Orders Up Less Than Expected
Other news sure to put a skip in your step and a smile on your face:
- Mumps outbreak - Epidemic hits parts of Iowa.
- Students rally…West Coast walkout resumes.
- Delphi Strike Could Spell Doom for GM.
- Bird Flu Still Flying
Ok…let’s see now…I’m sure Mr. and Mrs. America will got out tonight an celebrate Whirlpool’s good news, as will the shareholders of Guidant and Boston Scientific.
What? What’s that you say? No good news from Iraq? No reports of a new school opening or a new water line being installed, or a ribbon-cutting ceremony of a new bridge opening up for traffic?
Fox News Channel…Delivering All Good News, All The Time.
March 31st, 2006 at 4:43 pm#18
Be careful of what you wish for. Do you really want CNN, MSNBC and other liberal outlets to go out of business because you don’t want to pay for FOX? I am forced to pay for PBS but you don’t see me complaining. If you guys don’t like FOX, then why on Earth are you all so fixated on it? There has to be some reason as to why it is the number one news channel.
March 31st, 2006 at 4:46 pmThe sad part is that there are at least a couple of million people who still take the Faux News network seriously. I know a few people down here in the Southeast who won’t watch any other cable news channel besides Fox. It’s sad that those people prefer to believe everything that springs out of Rupert Murdoch’s ass instead of having the common sense to believe what they see with their eyes. They truely are blind.
March 31st, 2006 at 4:46 pm#20 - tell us chase, what exactly is a lie in that article? I see none.
March 31st, 2006 at 4:49 pmIsn’t FOX the highest rated news network in the country? So, if most Americans are getting their news from FOX, and the media is to blame for attitudes about the economy and the war… doesn;t that mean FOX shares most of the blame?
GREAT POINT…
is there anything Fox News and Republicans cant blame on “the liberal media”
We should start of list of everything that is the liberal medias fault
Econonmy
Iraq War
War on Christians
Gay attitudes
Bush Poll Numbers
The Cheney Debacle
Abu Gahrib
Port Deal
Cindy Shennan
Wiretapping debate
Tom Delay
Karl Rove
Scooter Libby
any more.,………
March 31st, 2006 at 4:50 pm29: He’s intentionally trying to link Bush with the House plan for political gain. Misrepresentation. Flip the script and it’s a headline here at TP.
March 31st, 2006 at 4:52 pmIt’s not just the journos who are giving the ordinary American working man the wrong impression, y’know - those liberul pinko analysts at the CIA are at it, too: according to the CIA World Factbook’s page on the United States, “Since 1975, practically all the gains in household income have gone to the top 20% of households.”
Bush should sack Porter Goss and replace him with Paige Craig of the Lincoln Group, who can be relied on to tell it like it is.
March 31st, 2006 at 4:53 pmyou forgot high gas prices.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200504280007
March 31st, 2006 at 4:54 pmHee. Fox News.
March 31st, 2006 at 4:55 pmIt is such a cartoon that the actual fake news is
more real.
Big on hate, tough. Lots of people are really into
that “id” rather than “superego” stuff.
Lowest common denominator, that’s where
we should ALL want to be!
Last year, Keith Olbermann had a wonderful line about those clowns (I’m paraphrasing him here): “I just realized that the giant viewscreens that you see are in 1984 are tuned to FOX.”
Btw, I put up a joke that may amuse you if you’re a baseball fan and political junkie.
March 31st, 2006 at 4:55 pmTypical m.o. by Faux News. They will “talk it up” - that the liberals are destroying the economy, just like it was the “liberals” who brought us all the bad news about Iraq. It’s all the liberals’ fault - everything bad is! Boo-boo Bushie does everything right, and he is so persecuted by the big bad liberals. That’s why Faux News is there; to set things straight for the brainless lemmings who watch them.
March 31st, 2006 at 4:56 pmThey make me sick.
#26
That’s foxnews.com…
March 31st, 2006 at 4:56 pmWatch how quickly CNN and MSNBC pick up on the same tripe as Fox.
March 31st, 2006 at 4:58 pmWasn’t it all Goldstein’s fault?
March 31st, 2006 at 4:58 pmI get so confused.
BTW, who are we at war with again?
Victory Gin tonight!
#20 - Please point out the lies in the article. I didn’t see any. The Reich IS using the same tactic of Scapegoating that they used in 2004 (gay marriage).
March 31st, 2006 at 5:02 pm#27 - MSBNC - a liberal outlet? Right-wingers outnumbering lonely Keith Olbermann three to one and that’s aliberal outlet? Depends how far right you are to begin with - if Joe Scarborough looks liberal to you Randy, just how far beyond Attila the Hun are you - Dick Cheney far? G.Gordon Liddy far? CNN - Lou Dobbs, Paula Zahn - liberal? Fascinating insight into what people consider ‘liberal’.
March 31st, 2006 at 5:03 pm# 40 : Dean is intentionally misleading, attaching Bush to the House plan.
Quit being a douche bag, take off the blinders and admit it.
March 31st, 2006 at 5:08 pmALL HAIL THE FOX QUESTION-MARK HEADLINE!!
March 31st, 2006 at 5:09 pm#41,
Wasn’t it Digby that suggested that “liberal” means anyone,
March 31st, 2006 at 5:09 pmincluding excommunicated wing-nuts, who disagree with
them?
#42,
I didn’t think the House planned anything other than
March 31st, 2006 at 5:12 pmmaking sure they have a large supply of rubber stamps.
Hey Fox: here’s a great way to ruin the economy: enormous tax cuts for the wealthiest of the wealthiest Americans, while at the same time giant spending increases for special interests and tax credits for the big oil companies. The “media” is not responsible for that . . . it’s simple, moronic, conservative policies at work.
March 31st, 2006 at 5:14 pmFox News Reporter Requirments: Retarded, Mouth breathing moonbat
March 31st, 2006 at 5:15 pm45: Cute.
You and I both know that if “Chimpy McShrub” pulled the same shit you moonbats would be shoving mangos up your ass in celebration that you caught yet another lie.
Play fair.
March 31st, 2006 at 5:15 pmI usually eat mangoes, but if you want to shove em up your ass its a free country.
March 31st, 2006 at 5:18 pm#48,
Have been, but when the other side only cheats (not talking
March 31st, 2006 at 5:20 pmabout you specifiaclly) it gets rather old.
So, no dice.
But the polls don’t reflect media manipulation. Americans see the real state of the economy in their everyday lives
That’s obsurd. Can anyone direct me to a respected economist that includes public polls as indicators in their analysis. Nope.
Good job looking like idiots, TP.
March 31st, 2006 at 5:20 pm#51: you always do a great job of showing your idiotic opinions. Last time you got your butt handed to you on this page you refused to respond. Sad when your lies fall apart . . . I guess you just wait for a new post and Rush to tell you what to think.
March 31st, 2006 at 5:23 pmCorporate profits are at a 40 year high, whereas the share of ‘wages’ as a percentage of national income is the lowest rate it’s been since 1966.
As one economist put it, “if this is now a ‘knowledge’ economy with high degress of expertise, why aren’t all of these ‘brains’ being compensated accordingly? Instead the owners of physical capital are getting the rewards”
And this is what I’ve always pointed out, when you reduce taxation pressures, wealth tends to invest less aggressively. From the latest economic analysis comes this:
“Despite the flood of cash coming in the door, corporations are investing comparatively little in expanding their operations. ”
And then there’s this:
“While profits are up 21.3% in the past year, labor compensation is up just 5.5%. After adjusting for inflation, population growth and taxes, real disposable per capita incomes are up just 0.5% in the past year.”
I wonder if our resident commie hater fascists will come and embarrass themselves talking economics as they usually do.
And Chase, you’re an idiot - either stay on topic or STFU.
March 31st, 2006 at 5:23 pm#51,
Straw man.
March 31st, 2006 at 5:23 pm# 50:
I totally understand both sides cheat–hell misrepresenting is the nature of politics it seems. But everyone jumps and clamors when anyone the the Bush admin says something that might be construed as inaccurate.
Here, Dean is INTENTIONALLY misleading an audience about an immigration plan, when he and Bush actually support the same Senate proposal.
So what gives? Will you recognize he’s doing it on purpose?
March 31st, 2006 at 5:23 pm#17 No, that is you and you are, once again, projecting. You know theives all think they are being robbed.
March 31st, 2006 at 5:23 pmKrasny - The folks who are taking us to the cleaners on the gas prices are the federal and state tax coffers. Those two taxes produce more revenue for an entity (per gallon) than for the “evil” oil companies.
…and dear kindness - business cycles and tax rates generally determine the amount collected by the national treasury - but you KNEW that….And just to make sure he gently watched out for middle America, Pres. Clinton broke his campaign promise of not raising taxes on the middle class - and to add insult to injury, he taxed the crap out of old people. Save the “we care about the little guy” schpeel - I’ll believe it when donkeys fly.
March 31st, 2006 at 5:24 pm#49 It is all about the ass with them, good grief.
March 31st, 2006 at 5:25 pmVery nice post Ryan.
March 31st, 2006 at 5:25 pmCreepy Jackalope Eye your comment shows you have the reading comprehension of a snail. It was the reichwingers on FAUX who were bitching about the polls. Are you always this retarded? Answer - according to evidence you present here - YES.
March 31st, 2006 at 5:25 pmRyan Neat -
You wanna cite that? “One economist”.. nice straw man pitch, to use the parlance of this wonderfully high-browed site.
And Ryan, on a more personal note: you too, are a douche–might I recommend you “shut the fuck up.”
March 31st, 2006 at 5:27 pm#41 They hate everyone, even themselves; that is their number one psychosis.
March 31st, 2006 at 5:28 pmPP - with all of your “talk” about “projecting” I’m thinking you might be in the same sorry genetic line as that “other one”…..And I distinctly heard clapping AND cheering from your corner.
March 31st, 2006 at 5:29 pm“Krasny - The folks who are taking us to the cleaners on the gas prices are the federal and state tax coffers. Those two taxes produce more revenue for an entity (per gallon) than for the “evil†oil companies. mighty moron”
You posted the same retarded lie months ago, and I corrected you then. Do you just hire high school students to repost the same miserable propaganda, or are you so mentally retarded you learn nothing as a ‘troll’ as you go.
I can gladly re-correct you with hard numbers, but it would be more fun for you to post the links that PROVE what you say is true.
Since we both know you can’t do this, I accept your conceding in advance, and you’re welcome for my diligence in re-correcting your lies, distortion and misinformation. And when you get out of high school, there’s always a janitorial job available somewhere that suits your talents and skill levels.
March 31st, 2006 at 5:29 pm#27 Because we JUST CAN’T believe Fox is real and that there are so many people that should be spending less time watching tv; which is probably what made them so dull to begin with.
March 31st, 2006 at 5:30 pm“You wanna cite that? “One economistâ€.. nice straw man pitch, to use the parlance of this wonderfully high-browed site.
And Ryan, on a more personal note: you too, are a douche–might I recommend you “shut the fuck up.†Comment by Chase ”
Considering that you’re a blood stained rejection of the body politic, I am a douche for you.
The economist works for Economic Policy Institute, and you can find the story on that left wing ‘MarketWatch’ - hehe - site. Considering your complete ignorance on all topics, I’m not surprised you’re unaware of it. Are you sure you aren’t a communist, because you seem ignorant of how capitalism and taxation work.
March 31st, 2006 at 5:33 pm“And just to make sure he gently watched out for middle America, Pres. Clinton broke his campaign promise of not raising taxes on the middle class - and to add insult to injury, he taxed the crap out of old people. Save the “we care about the little guy†schpeel - I’ll believe it when donkeys fly. Comment by mighty aphrodite ”
You’re thinking of GHBush and GWBush, they’re the ones that promised not to raise taxes, and then lied and raised them on the middle class (AMT anyone?), only to screw old people out of medical care and TAX them through ineptitude in pricing.
Denial is a river that runs through the texas taliban.
March 31st, 2006 at 5:36 pmListen everyone , if the news was “Fair and Balanced ” then the republicans would look terrible . So the fact that they are trying to make it look fair and balanced , they are actualy NOT being fair and balanced , get it .
March 31st, 2006 at 5:37 pmI believe fox is a poplular channel about as much as I believe the people of our country turned out in record numbers to vote for 4 more years of chimp-brain.
March 31st, 2006 at 5:40 pmFox news is sickening bullshit and most of us know it. I won’t even watch sports on fox.
FOX NEWS = GOEBBELS PROPAGANDA MINISTRY.
March 31st, 2006 at 5:42 pmand dear kindness - business cycles and tax rates generally determine the amount collected by the national treasury - but you KNEW that….And just to make sure he gently watched out for middle America, Pres. Clinton broke his campaign promise of not raising taxes on the middle class - and to add insult to injury, he taxed the crap out of old people. Save the “we care about the little guy†schpeel - I’ll believe it when donkeys fly.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — March 31, 2006 @ 5:24 pm
And I distinctly remember Clinton’s words when the bastard did it: “Read my lips no new taxes!”
March 31st, 2006 at 5:43 pmdano347,
And clinton produced the second longest and largest economic expansion in american history - and reichwingers still think taxes are bad. They’re such idiots.
March 31st, 2006 at 5:44 pmProgs - Percentages are very easy to manipulate (2 unemployed people + 1 = unemployment UP 50%!!!!) But RAW numbers confuse many….
March 31st, 2006 at 5:47 pmdano347,
Mighty Moron might want to look in the ‘dictionary’ what ‘revenues’ versus ‘profits’ means before she makes claims like the retarded one about oil companies. She probably is also too retarded to know that the sales taxes are often higher than profits for many companies - period, because competition in stable commodities markets produces razor thin margins.
For someone that claims to be anti-communist and free capitalist, (s)he seems quite devoid of basic economic vocabulary. Then again, (s)he claimed to be an attorney, and didn’t seem to understand what Mens Rea meant either. I think that’s what you get when junior high students aren’t supervised on the internet.
March 31st, 2006 at 5:48 pm#51: That’s obsurd…Good job looking like idiots, TP. - - You’ve contributed more than your share to that cause.
March 31st, 2006 at 5:48 pmAnd Marxist leftwingers still think every body’s money is the governments - and benevolent politicians “let” you keep some of it…..
March 31st, 2006 at 5:48 pm“Progs - Percentages are very easy to manipulate (2 unemployed people + 1 = unemployment UP 50%!!!!) But RAW numbers confuse many…. Comment by mighty aphrodite ”
Math always seems complicated when you’re twelve, but we’ll be happy to help you to understand it when you get older and your brain hopefully more fully developers.
A better example would be drop 50% of the people off the rolls of unemployment because they can’t find a job in 6 months, and ‘pretend’ you have fewer unemployed. Reagan came up with that plan, and it’s been in effect every since.
Out of sight, out of mind is the republican way.
March 31st, 2006 at 5:51 pmwho ya’ gonna’ believe, Faux or your lying eyes?
maybe rich people are beter off, but the average person isn’t.
March 31st, 2006 at 5:51 pmThese flatearthers just can’t get a grasp of what everyone with a brain knows , that the economy has totaly tanked . Not to mention , how much of a failure the stupid war is either , the blood is on their hands .
March 31st, 2006 at 5:51 pmfunny you mention unemployment and manipulating statistics in the same sentance ma.
It was our good king dumbya that changed the way they measure unemployment to NOT INCLUDE all those people who are STILL UNEMPLOYED but no longer recieve unemployment checks , magically shrinking the unemployment figure to a not actual #.
Keep it up. You are batting 1000% ma.
March 31st, 2006 at 5:53 pm“And Marxist leftwingers still think every body’s money is the governments - and benevolent politicians “let†you keep some of it….. Comment by mighty aphrodite”
Well considering there are fewer marxists in america than there are professional basketball players - this comment is as irrelevant as most of the crap you post…
Then again, ‘relevance’ has never been a top requirement for posting your opinions, but satisfying some deep seeded delusional conspiracy McCarthyism is all that seems to fuel your stupidity.
March 31st, 2006 at 5:53 pmkindness,
actually it was reagan that changed the way unemployment is measured, but nonetheless it was a reichwinger.
March 31st, 2006 at 5:55 pmLink below goes to a website, that shows current federal and state gas taxes per state. this information is over a year old.
http://www.gaspricewatch.com/usgastaxes.asp
a search of the american petroleum institute website using the terms state and federal gas tax. will bring up a link to a PDF doc showing current taxes as of 1.24.06. federal tax is 18.4cpg and the states range from a high of 32.9 in wisconsin to a 7.5cpg in georgia, with most in the low 20cpg.
http://api-ec.api.org/frontpage.cfm
one a purchase of 10 gallons using the say $2.50 per gallon about average? the total cost for federal tax is $1.84 and using a mid range based on state of 22cpg the state tax would be $2.20 on a 25 dollar purchase. leaving $20.96 returning to the oil company. I am aware that with overhead and employee wages, dilivery etc that it is reduced even further. However as you can see fuel taxes are hardly responsible for high gas prices.
March 31st, 2006 at 5:55 pmYeah Fox “News,” liberals and progressives really, really want the economy to be bad — horrendous even — because lord knows, we certainly aren’t affected by the economy. We just want it to be bad in order to spite the neo-cons.
/sarcasm off
March 31st, 2006 at 5:56 pmKrazny,
Now there you go posting ‘facts’, I was waiting to see if Mighty Moron had the Cajolles to try to post some propaganda ‘facts’. I always have fun trashing her stupid troll resources - oh well, another day :)
March 31st, 2006 at 5:57 pmKindness don’t forget the price of everyday goods are skyrocketing , people are spending their life savings to keep up with their bills , and their retirement is in jeapordy . I can’t believe anyone would admit to voting republican .
March 31st, 2006 at 5:59 pmRyan,
I don’t really expect her to respond to what I posted, but it is fun to play stomp the troll.
March 31st, 2006 at 6:01 pmKrazny,
Even her retarded Clinton claim is nonsense. He never ‘promised not to raise taxes’, he proposed a tax cut on the middle class as one option for increasing the income levels of that bracked lost under Reagan and Bush. Instead he chose to go with a tax increase to stimulate the economy as an alternative approach to accomplish the same goal.
No wonder CONservatives consistently score lower grades in secondary education settings - their reading comprehension and ability to process facts and reason is non-existent.
March 31st, 2006 at 6:06 pmIn fairness, CNN reports that wages are up a whopping 3.5% to finally catch up with inflation while corporate profits are at the highest they’ve been in 40 years!
For those of you interested in the math, if you’re making $10/hour, with a 3.5% increase, you’ll be making $10.35/hour! And if your employer actually lets you work 40 hours/week, that translates to an extra $14/week!
March 31st, 2006 at 6:07 pm#89, so let’s see - gasoline going from 1.50 to 2.50 and say you drive 2/3 tank a week - oops that’s all gone, Ann. Sorry.
March 31st, 2006 at 6:12 pmKrazny,
There’s also the other issue, that mighty moron and the rest of the reichwingers avoid. The amount of money that our citizens expend in propping up those oil companies is much greater than any tax revenues received by them. Much of our international spending is related to securing, protecting, shipping and searching for more oil. That money comes from the general budget, but it involves between 10s of billions and hundreds of billions of dollars overall. Then there’s the money spent on roads and infrastructure that is in effect a giveaway to companies that sell oil - as it helps increase the demand for their product at no expense to them. Then there’s the environmental costs related to oil, such as global warming, Katrina and larger storms like it, and the resulting impact of those behaviors and policies.
Much of it is hard to quantify in exact dollar amounts - but in reality the claims about taxes are just as DUMB and IDIOTIC as virtually everything these hayseeds and crackers say.
March 31st, 2006 at 6:13 pmThe “liberal” media always tells the good news about Bush, and look how fucked up he is.
March 31st, 2006 at 6:14 pmann,
See post #53, adjusted for inflation, wages are virtually unchanged.
March 31st, 2006 at 6:15 pm#93 - I know I was being facectious.
March 31st, 2006 at 6:19 pmto further clarify #89 so I don’t get yelled at. State sales tax stacks with federal and other state taxes. However for states that do include a sales tax that figure runs between 6 to 8%. On a 25 dollar purchase that will $1.50-$2.00 dollars two a 10 gallon purchase. dropping the total going to the oil company to $18.96 at an 8% rate.
I agree with you Ryan that there are many other costs to using oil.
March 31st, 2006 at 6:24 pmSo MA, what do you think of YOUR president and YOUR congress bloating the size of the government (and the national debt) to stupefyingly HUGE levels?
March 31st, 2006 at 6:25 pm#87,
I don’t really expect her to respond to what I posted, but it is fun to play stomp the troll.
Stump the troll with what? How about any respected economist that uses polls as an economic indicator. Some guy on Marketwatch? If we don’t know his name how do we know he’s respected? TP thinks that public polls have as much weight, if not more weight, than quantitative indicators.
That is classic false logic by ignorance, TP style.
Ryan, put up a report. Bring. It. On.
Oh, and retard, moron and pucktard are very compelling arguments…
…yep, I’m convinced. You’re an idiot.
March 31st, 2006 at 6:26 pm“Stump the troll with what? How about any respected economist that uses polls as an economic indicator. Some guy on Marketwatch? If we don’t know his name how do we know he’s respected? Comment by Creepy Jackalope Eye”
1) It was Faux News that was using the poll - not economists.
2) Actually Marketwatch is a wall street tied news organization that covers economic issues - they aren’t ‘leftist’.
3) I posted hard numbers, based on government statistics.
4) Your posts consistently show you have the brain of a jackalope, and you only embarrass yourself with your continued stupidity.
5) I posted the name of the organization that put out the information. Do some of your own research for a change, instead of just ‘reading a name’. That’s what people with no education, no skills, and no capacity do - but then again, that fully describes you.
“Oh, and retard, moron and pucktard are very compelling arguments…
…yep, I’m convinced. You’re an idiot. Comment by Creepy Jackalope Eye ”
Considering that you’ve wholly described your ‘rebuttal’, you can only see yourself.
March 31st, 2006 at 6:31 pm“Ryan, put up a report. Bring. It. On. Comment by Creepy Jackalope Eye ”
It require you have reading comprehension and understand economic terms - so most likely you won’t understand any of it. Here’s the basis of the news report, and yes this is the federal government’s own report.
http://www.bea.gov/bea/dn/home/gdp.htm
Now that I’ve completely ‘debunked’ your statements yet again, RETARD is appropriate to describe your ‘ignorance’ yet again.
You act like this is some sort of ‘liberal’ information - but being an ignorant dumbass, you don’t even realize it’s the latest OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT STATISTICS.
so pucktard is definitely what we should call you.
March 31st, 2006 at 6:37 pmAnyone been to Detroit or Milwaukee lately? Not a pretty picture. It’s disheartening to see so many closed factories. Three friends of mine from my old neighborhood in Detroit, all highly skilled machinists, haven’t been able to find work in their fields for nearly a year. (They are dipping into their 401k’s to make ends meet) Most of Detroit’s “factory rows†look like ghost towns. These factories were booming a short 3 years ago. Tell those thousands displaced by these closings how good the economy is- but be careful in Detroit- you’ll get you’re a$$ kicked.
The media isn’t going to care until the stock market corrects itself. There are a lot of folks that are “paper richâ€. Their 401k’s are gaining so they think that the economy must be OK. Something has to give…and it will.
March 31st, 2006 at 6:39 pmHow about any respected economist that uses polls as an economic indicator. (…) TP thinks that public polls have as much weight, if not more weight, than quantitative indicators.
Comment by Creepy Jackalope Eye — March 31, 2006 @ 6:26 pm
Go back and re-read the topic of the thread. Slowly this time. It was FauxNews using a poll, and ThinkProgress rebutted with hard, cold figures aka quantitative indicators.
That is classic false logic by ignorance, TP style.
For a moment there I thought you were talking to yourself…
March 31st, 2006 at 6:41 pmI was in detroit last thanksgiving, well in Ann Arbor anyway. The plants around there are closing down, and lots of people looking for work. On the other hand you can buy a house cheap up there.
March 31st, 2006 at 6:44 pmI wonder how much $ the Fox talking heads saved with the Bush taxation policies? I’ll bet they are true believers. Life has never been better for the coporate propagandists at FOX. I can understand why they’d be lying to their viewers, but dimbulbs like IRI and MA who must be paid minimun wage by the RNC to post here and absorb insults, that I don’t understand.
Also, can somebody please give MA an updated script?…she’s still using RW talking points from the 50’s.
March 31st, 2006 at 6:49 pmhere is the latest shot across the bow in Detroit
http://news.yahoo.com/ s/ ap/ 20060331/ ap_on_bi_ge/ delphi_unions;_ylt=AofYln609.kZZNJ2ZyJkXVGs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3bGI2aDNqBHNlYwM3NDk-
March 31st, 2006 at 6:50 pmGregor,
Creepy must speak english as a second language, because (it) always makes the stupid, most retarded, and most reverse off-topic claims around. I think he might be one of the ’special’ kids with the helmets.
March 31st, 2006 at 6:51 pmkindness - unemployment numbers are also manipulated by counting the number of people actually looking for work. The fluidity in the count may be attributed to how many people started working for themselves, how many people took part time employment. Unlike the”enlightened” French, we don’t have guaranteed jobs - or some “independently wealthy trust fund babies” who deal with terminal guilt.
March 31st, 2006 at 6:57 pm#98
It was Faux News that was using the poll - not economists
What report was that? Can’t find one can you? You’ve made my point. Just a selected quote from a TV show.
TP chose to highlite the poll, my stupid friend. It was TP that used that quote about polls. Then proceeded to defend the polls with selected indicators. They even link to an americanprogress talking point newsletter that superficially discusses deficits. Trashing the economy without the context of all of the other indicators is either ignorant, stupid or dishonest.
I believe it’s all of the above.
March 31st, 2006 at 6:59 pmJeez Amanda… what the HECK are you doing watching ultra-right wing propoganda like Faux “News?”
Jeez… the public gets more and more turned off by them… and Rupert Murdoch realizes he has to take extreme actions like buying Myspace.com just to keep the public looking at HIS propoganda machine.
Few people watch Faux these days… and even less believe in that garbage.
It was scary in 2001-2004 when people did watch and did believe… but people have been coming to their senses for about a year now… ever since the Terri Schiavo incident.
March 31st, 2006 at 6:59 pmDetroit is known for cars- but lots of different types of manufacturing used to be done there. (Most auto plants closed long ago.)
March 31st, 2006 at 7:00 pmWisco - Detroit has been in the toilet for years - but they have been trying to re-energize the place. You might advise your “highly skilled machinists friends” to:
March 31st, 2006 at 7:05 pma.) stop dipping into those 401(k) and rent a U-Haul to take them where the economy is doing well.
b.) dip into those 401(k) and buy a liquor store. Mom had three friends who were laid off air traffic controllers - they bought a run down liquor store, cleaned it up and re-named it Tower Liquor. After cursing Reagan, they said “thank you”.
Funny that NewsCorp aka FOX is Rupert Murdoch whom is a Gung Ho Empire for the Queen! “conservative” Neo-Con..
The “OLD LIberals PAY the “NEO-Con-LIBERALS [FAUX NEWS] SALARIES!!
Bwwwwuuuuhahahahaaaa!!
The Neo-Con Conservative Murdoch Hate Channel
Is destroying the Economy by Hiring DUMB ASS PUNDITS!
WHO SPEW HATE..
Besides that this story is an Obvious Lie because Corporate [War Profits] have hit a 40 year HIGH!!
And thats the Reverse Spin, that Corporate America has gotten RICH of War and the Death of Americas Sons..
FAUX LIARS.
March 31st, 2006 at 7:07 pmFirst this:
How about any respected economist that uses polls as an economic indicator.
Comment by Creepy Jackalope Eye — March 31, 2006 @ 6:26 pm
Then this:
It was TP that used that quote about polls. Then proceeded to defend the polls with selected indicators.
Comment by Creepy Jackalope Eye — March 31, 2006 @ 6:59 pm
Which one is it Jackalope -did TP defend the poll with indicators or did they us the poll as an indicator?
March 31st, 2006 at 7:09 pm#108
March 31st, 2006 at 7:09 pmYou’re right. No one watches this show. This show is spposed to be about entertaining more than informative. I find it painful to watch. You don’t really learn anything from it. But TP thinks it’s a great opportunity to smear Fox while stoking the public polls with more ignorant discussion of the economy. Gawd knows how much TP loves polls.
they bought a run down liquor store, cleaned it up and re-named it Tower Liquor. After cursing Reagan, they said “thank youâ€.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — March 31, 2006 @ 7:05 pm
Yes all those MORAL CHRISTIANS Need their Liquor Right?
March 31st, 2006 at 7:10 pmI wonder How many people got DWI’s because of your stupid story;
Reagan Creates Profits for a Few by appeasing Drunk Drivong and Alcoholism?
Not to mention they lost their jobs because they were standing up for their rights…Boy you are one Backwards Person IRI?
Do you wipe your Mouth after you Crap?
March 31st, 2006 at 7:12 pmThe “Liberal Media” that these Clowns are trying to blame is “Hollywood”, yet they don’t talk about how much income and how much of that Media is Exported and actually Helps promote Democracy, Quite unlike Bush Death and His War of Hate and Propaganda that calls Democracy War and Torture
March 31st, 2006 at 7:19 pm” But TP thinks it’s a great opportunity to smear Fox while stoking the public polls with more ignorant discussion of the economy. Comment by Creepy Jackalope Eye”
That’s funny, considering your complaint was the ‘use of polls’ when discussing economics, until you found out that it was Faux News using the Polls as part of their ’smear on the media’.
You’re one retarded moron.
“Wisco - Detroit has been in the toilet for years - but they have been trying to re-energize the place. You might advise your “highly skilled machinists friends†to:
a.) stop dipping into those 401(k) and rent a U-Haul to take them where the economy is doing well. mighty moron”
Or we could have GM stop dipping into the pension fund to fake profitibility, instead of actually investing in building new, interesting and innovative products. Heaven forbid american companies would want to compete fairly with good products.
Oh and mighty moron, I guess you missed the press release from GM, which said that the lack of ‘NATIONALIZED HEALTH CARE’ added $1500 per car that japanese car manufacturers didn’t have to incur. Your buddies once again show you’re stupid - but that’s a recurring theme for you today isn’t it? The economic news, the news from John Dean and Buckley and Condi. The facts always betray you mighty moron.
March 31st, 2006 at 7:34 pmMighty- I generally stay out of it with you. (sometimes I actually agree with your comments.) But if I ever read you talking about “elitist†liberals again I’ll jump through the screen and down your throat!
Those are some of the most “elitist†comments I’ve ever heard.
Pack up their stuff and apply their skills where? Mexico?
Buy a liquor store?
I’m too pi$$ed to type right now you ignorant bitch!
March 31st, 2006 at 7:38 pmLast time I checked the Liberal Media is not the president of the United States. The buck stops with the president. End of story.
March 31st, 2006 at 7:39 pm“kindness - unemployment numbers are also manipulated by counting the number of people actually looking for work. The fluidity in the count may be attributed to how many people started working for themselves, how many people took part time employment. Unlike theâ€enlightened†French, we don’t have guaranteed jobs - or some “independently wealthy trust fund babies†who deal with terminal guilt. Comment by mighty aphrodite ”
You really are as dumb as a bag of rocks. Just because you feel guilt, don’t project that on others - then again, you are a ‘professional projector’.
And mighty moron, your ‘claims’ on unemployment show yet another ‘ignorance’ in your understanding of our economy and unemployment tracking. The french don’t guarantee jobs, but then why would you know anything about the french, when it’s clear you don’t know anything about our own country.
Now as for the ‘tracking’ mechanisms, part time employment is counted as ‘employed’, as is working for one’s self. Those who no longer seek work were traditionally removed from the count - think new mother. The problem is that the government stopped counting those who ’seek work but can’t find it’ past the unemployment period. This is called the ‘terminally unemployed’ in capitalism - as opposed to your form of ‘fascism’, which simply calls them ‘deadbeats’ to avoid the guilt that is otherwise felt but ignored.
Ignorance is bliss, and mighty moron lives in bliss.
March 31st, 2006 at 7:41 pmFox news is so far out to the Right that sooner or later, people just won’t pay attention anymore. You can only cry “WOLF” so often before people stop listening.
March 31st, 2006 at 7:42 pmWhich liberal media is that??
March 31st, 2006 at 7:43 pm“Those are some of the most “elitist†comments I’ve ever heard. wiscoduk”
To a reichwing nazi ‘ho’ like Mighty Moron, elite means ‘educated’, whereas people like himself that see themselves as ‘wealthier’ ‘higher class’, ‘more moral’ or ‘harder working’ (all delusional beliefs) aren’t considered elite. For instance, I know I beat mighty moron on all of the previous accounts - yet (s)he still clings to the delusion of personal superiority. But then again, that’s why avoiding an ‘education’ is so critical to the success of reichwingers, and why the consistently score lower in university settings.
March 31st, 2006 at 7:44 pm“Mom had three friends who were laid off air traffic controllers - they bought a run down liquor store, cleaned it up and re-named it Tower Liquor. After cursing Reagan, they said “thank youâ€. Comment by mighty aphrodite ”
Yeah, I’m sure devoting 20 years of your life to a company’s success, the school stability of your children, the creation of your friends are all just throw away. But then again, someone like you that doesn’t have any friends, a social community or even ‘children’ wouldn’t understand how disruptive and difficult all of that is.
And just think after that 20 years, you have it all run into the ground by a reichwing moron who things making more gas guzzlers is the answer to the 21st century and GM’s success.
That’s great for your friends, but what IDIOTS like you don’t realize, is that not everyone is suited to being a business owner. People are different - just like you’re more stupid and naive than even the average CONservative. You’re actually retarded enough to not be able to add up the numbers on your ‘fake bio’ before you spread it over the internet - DUH!!!
So once again, with no compassion, no understanding, or no context on the situation of others, you make a sweeping generalization that’s just idiotic. You really are a reichwinger nazi - the real world is as far from you as it is from chimpy.
March 31st, 2006 at 7:55 pmDoes Mighty Moron’s ‘folksie tales’ remind anyone else of Ross Perot? What an idiot.
March 31st, 2006 at 7:57 pm#118 - Sorry to offend your “common” sensibilities, Wisco. But you and your friends whining reminds me of the ignorant people in certain hurricane ravaged cities who didn’t haul their asses to higher ground - even if that meant walking. ***This statement does not include the old or infirm.***** But my favourite NO story - the young guy who took the school bus (loaded with passengers) to Houston.
My discussion of independently wealthy liberal elitists bothers you??? Why?? Or more precisely - so what???? So I shouldn’t talk about who: Bill and Hillary, Barbra, George Soros, the Gates, Keith Olberman, the Rockefllers or Kennedy’s??
“But if I ever read you talking about “elitist†liberals again I’ll jump through the screen and down your throat!” - compassionate liberal Wisco
I knew I had a screen saver for a reason -
March 31st, 2006 at 7:58 pmRyan,
You’re right as usual.
Speaking of education. These guys are “educated†to the degree of their abilities. A four-year machinist apprenticeship is nothing to scoff at. Not everyone has the mental tools to get through a university education let alone qualify. School is tough enough for people with the IQ to handle it. (It took everything I had to get a mechanical engineering degree.)
People like Mighty make me sick. (My adrenaline is still flowing a little too much to elaborate.)
March 31st, 2006 at 7:59 pmRyan, please don’t insult the mentally disabled by comparing Mighty to them. They are far more well adjusted and have far sharper intellects than Mighty will ever have.
March 31st, 2006 at 8:01 pmPretty good immitation - you-left-you. But “screen saver”?? No Mr. Aphrodite would be there to pummel WiscoDuck - only because I was laughing so hard at the sight…
March 31st, 2006 at 8:05 pm“Pretty good immitation - you-left-you. But “screen saverâ€?? No Mr. Aphrodite would be there to pummel WiscoDuck - only because I was laughing so hard at the sight… Comment by mighty aphrodite ”
Don’t bring your right hand into the discussion, it won’t care what you do…
Still up with the facade of Mr Aphrodite, even though you claimed to have 4 children 3 years of college, 4 of law school, 12 years of military service, and years of private practice in an elapsed time of 15 years?
Sorry mighty moron, but you’ve long been busted as a fraud, go post at some website that actually believes you’re anything but a lying propagandist. And the next time you want to discuss economics, get a new ’schtick’. The whole marxist nonsense went out of vogue a generation ago. Most people just think you’re a whacko for even bringing up the word.
March 31st, 2006 at 8:10 pmWiscoDuk,
And the really ironic part is that if everyone followed the advice of mighty moron, much of the economy would collapse. The dependence on both skilled and unskilled labor willing to work as employee is essential to our form of capitalism. Employees having a living wage contribute to the growth and welfare of society. Otherwise you end up like Bolivia or one of the other ‘Libertarian’ experiments - and everything collapses from no middle class. The more that idiot fascist talks, the more one realizes exactly how DUMB he is.
March 31st, 2006 at 8:20 pmI tell you a broad enough description of my life to enjoy my way of life. Your inability to detect sarcasm, satire, humour, etc. reminds me of the void in the emotionless psychopath - “you know the words, but don’t get the music”, Robert Hare, PhD.
Please allow yourself to be humoured by my attention - oh, that’s not possible???
March 31st, 2006 at 8:25 pm131,
Ryan,
For what it’s worth, I own a mechanical contracting business and I’m a union signatory contractor. I can’t say enough good about the people in my employ or the unions they belong to. (Plumbers/steamfitters-sheet metal workers). I truly understand that it is these people that make me money- my livelihood depends on them. Paying them a fair wage is not a problem and their unions go out of their way to help the business procure work.
March 31st, 2006 at 8:41 pmFor those wondering who would serve the roles of Jews and Gypsies in this Reich, you’ve got your answer: th media and “liberals.”
By the way, Quisp, FOX News does not hire any moron walking by the building on the day a job opens up? It’s a very strict policy to hire only the first moron wearing a dazed look and a power tie, and then only if said moron can past the “saying yes to the boss” test.
March 31st, 2006 at 8:44 pmWhat the people at Faux News miss is that the economy is doing really well ONLY for the upper classes, who got all those obscene tax cuts from Bushco (welfare for the rich). The middle and lower classes are struggling under the Bush administration since the Republicans don’t give a damn about them. The Repubs only pay attention to people who have money (the more money, the more attention).
The right wing doesn’t have a clue about how ordinary people live or the struggles they face.
March 31st, 2006 at 8:49 pmThe sky is falling, and the liberals are reponsible for it. It’s Bill Clinton’s fault, no it’s the liberal media, no it’s Ted Kennedy’s fault, no it’s Nancy Pelosi’s fault, I mean it’s the democrats fault. I’m so sick and tire of hearing the sorry republican water boys and girl whine and cry about everything going wrong when they control all three branches of government. Yes, all three, the executive, legistlature, and supreme court.
Whens the last time you heard the captain of the ship blame his mistakes on the crew or the general blame his troops? They only want to take credit for the good and non of the bad. Yes the economy is going great for the rick, but the rest of us poor working stiffs have to work for a living. I’m sure if you daddy can afford to buy you a new mercedes for your 18th birthday and a yacht for your 21st birthday, things are going great. If you own 5 million shares of Dell or Microsoft, I’m sure you think the economy is great, but if you get up and go to work and don’t belong to the country club, it’s not.
The top 1 percent of American who are rich have gotten even richer under this administration and for them life is like a bowl of cherries. I’d like to eat some of those cherries too, but I didn’t get a two hundred thou tax break. Stop crying you lilly livered cry babies, and enjoy you money while it lasts.
March 31st, 2006 at 8:53 pmWisco #133
Way to go!!! I am studying employment and labor law in my final year of law school. I applaud your collaborative relationship with your employees!
Back to the topic at hand:
The main point Fox is trying to drive is the concept of “liberal media.” THIS IS DOUBLESPEAK!!!
Mainstream media is far from liberal these days. But I’ve posted this message before.
March 31st, 2006 at 9:05 pmBris you are absolutly right . Bush has been a media darling , no doubt there , but man what a slow news day when debate is about wheather liberal media is fudging people on the economy . There is no argument for this , arguing with repugs is like being in a spitting match with a spitter , even when you win you still have spit on you .In other words , it makes no sence arguing with an idiot .
March 31st, 2006 at 9:12 pmThanks Briseadh,
I will add this however (a little more on topic). Job opportunities are getting few and far between. We used to get most of our work in paper mills- many are on the brink of shutting down. Not spending much on maintenance let alone new construction. We have to bid jobs at break even just to keep going. Is this a booming economy like we’re being told? Hardly!
March 31st, 2006 at 9:24 pmWisco as a union worker myself I must say it is nice to hear somepeople still understand the importance of fair labor , so thanks .
March 31st, 2006 at 9:30 pmPaying them a fair wage is not a problem and their unions go out of their way to help the business procure work.
Comment by WiscoDuk — March 31, 2006 @ 8:41 pm
Seriously, Keith Olbermann should host a show of business owners like you saying that very thing on air to the general public so that people can hear the spin debunked once and for all.
March 31st, 2006 at 9:30 pm140
A trade?
March 31st, 2006 at 9:31 pmUAW I make windows .
March 31st, 2006 at 9:34 pm140-141
Damn…this is good to hear. I usually get hammered when I mention union affiliation.
BTW- It’s actually easier for the business to be union in my opinion. We pay one package. The union handles health care and benefits (pension,401K, etc.) for my employees. This saves on non-income producing positions and the hassle of dealing with it.
March 31st, 2006 at 9:45 pm143
I also hate to hear people rip on the UAW. People tend to condemn that which they do not understand. I’ve spent a lot of time in various auto plants while in Detroit. I have the utmost respect for your brethren. Tough work-tough people.
Which plant are you in?
March 31st, 2006 at 9:54 pmAll you need to know right here:
Corporate profits are at a 40 year high, whereas the share of ‘wages’ as a percentage of national income is the lowest rate it’s been since 1966.
March 31st, 2006 at 10:49 pmWe haven’t had a fricken liberal media (which means to tell the truth) in over 6 years!
March 31st, 2006 at 11:30 pmUp yours FOX .
#If it meant a win for the Dems, progs would watch people wearing barrels, eating out of trash cans, sleeping in their cars before they were repossessed and CHEER….
Comment by mighty aphrodite — March 31, 2006 @ 4:34 pm
Seems to me its the “Conservative” Court that went with “Eminent Domain” putting people out on the Streets is a Republican Thing, just as were the Robber Barons.
March 31st, 2006 at 11:39 pmSince YOU say you are a Conservative MaD, which I doubt, perhaps the Words of Your GOOD BOOK will ‘enlighten’ you;
(Matthew 13,24-43):
The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared. The owner’s servants came to him and said, “Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?†“An enemy did this,†he replied. The servants asked him, “Do you want us to go and pull them up?†“No,†he answered, “because while you are pulling the weeds, you may root up the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn†(13,24-30).
The explanation to this parable, according to Jesus, is the following:
The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man. The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels. As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear (37-43).
***************
So your A Weed MAD…Perhaps you can Work on your Weediness umm that is your JUDGING problem.
You, and your Neo-Con Wacko Friends seem to think you are Jury Judge Prosecutor and Hangman.
Such is Why Hate Drives the Neo-Cons and their Pundits.
March 31st, 2006 at 11:46 pmThe US economy is on the verge of complete collapse, but according to FOX News fools the working proles of America are not supposed to notice?! Everybody is falling backwards in America except the filthy degenerate wealthy corporate elite! Americans are becoming low-paid serfs or indentured slaves! Wake-up everyone before you live in a cardboard box!
March 31st, 2006 at 11:54 pmFox News loses reasonable people when they make these unsupported hyperbolic statements. And they have too many right-wingers yelling these statements. It is exhausting watching them, because they have lost the respect and the confidence of the people. Fox has to point the finger at others to prop themselves up. Isn’t Fox part of this “media” they talk about too. Although, they are more of the National Enquirer type of media.
But regarding the economy, I think it is unsustainable and we are living on a borrowed economy, with no concerns for the ramifications of our actions, and we have some big issues coming up - whether it is healthcare, retiring baby boomers & savings, paying for wars, infrastructure aging, or environmental destruction. Our grandchildren will be the one’s to pay for our actions today. We are not investing in our infrastructures. I’ve always thought our greatness came from our newness (we are a very young country, with the most coming in the last 50 to 100 years), and now that newness is getting old and crumbling, and we are too busy fighting with everyone to actually maintain and fix our problems. But if you don’t worry about tomorrow, then things are pretty good, if you have a good job. Just look at all the new big cars on the roads, all the huge homes, the shopping mall parking lots are full, and restraurants are busy. Obviously someone has money and they are spending it like there is no tomorow. However, we are nothing today, if not extremes.
I think people are smart and they are aware of our massive debt, and they are aware that safety nets are eroding, and chasing the dollar over all else has left them poorer. I think excessive corporate compensation, unethical leadership, and the many things going on in business and in government that makes one wonder about their country’s soul.
April 1st, 2006 at 1:15 amYeah, $2.60 a gallon for gas is good for the economy. With this corporate media complex it’s easy to portray the economy as the most wonderful we’ve ever had. I have to drive a lot in my job and it’s killing me. Liberal media my ass!
April 1st, 2006 at 1:36 amWhat liberal media? Let me know where the liberal media is so I can tune in please.
April 1st, 2006 at 4:48 amOH HELL, IF ANYONE “TALKED DOWN THE ECONOMY” IT WAS BUSH WHEN HE CAME IN.
WE’D HAD 8 YEARS OF ROARING ECONOMIC PERFORMANCE, AND ALL HE DID WAS TALK ABOUT “TROUBLE AHEAD” SO HE COULD PASS HIS TAX CUTS FOR HIS BUDDIES.
AS A RESULT, THE ECONOMY IS ON SHAKEY GROUND RIGHT NOW, FOR ALL BUT HIS BUDDIES.
April 1st, 2006 at 8:55 amGee, the White House says it wants to be more forceful in communicating the message that the economy is doing great http://thinkprogress.org/ 2006/ 03/ 30/ bolton-hastert-snow/ , but I’m sure the timing of the Fox segment is purely coincidental …
April 1st, 2006 at 9:11 amGOOD JOB, “LIBERALMEDIASTRIKESAGAIN”
I’VE SEEN THAT LIST BEFORE, AND HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR IT.
IT WILL COME IN HANDY THIS FALL.
April 1st, 2006 at 9:17 am#27. The reason FOX is so popular is because our public school stystem hasn’t taught our children to think critically. If I recall correctly, I never learned the 7 main logical fallacies until I took a speech class my freshman year of college.
FOX is a daily exercise in slick, cynical manipulation. Trolls like Mighty Aphrodite and I-Right-I are perfect examples. They can write coherently and might otherwise seem reasonable but when you get down to it, their arguments are built on the same flawed reasoning you see on FOX. Besides for occasionally being provoked, I think a lot of the reason they get so pissed is because they know subconsciously their arguments are bullshit and that releases anger.
So let’s review, shall we, “Logical Fallacies and the Art of Debate.”
http://www.csun.edu/~dgw61315/fallacies.html
April 1st, 2006 at 9:23 amFox News is trying to start a civil war in America, and they’re succeeding.
April 1st, 2006 at 9:28 am…The Fox Bushite Propaganda Network (and all of its staff) need to undergo a chemical /biological change…
…the world would indeed be a better place for it…
April 1st, 2006 at 10:17 amDon’t forget to put out your IMPEACH signs today…
April 1st, 2006 at 10:20 amThe bottom line is:
A recession is when your neighbor is unemployed.
A depression is when you’re unemployed.
The state of the economy is one you can’t put a spin on.
People aren’t making more money. More people they know are unemployed. They’ve either lost their benefits and have no health insurance, or areare gha thevingir deductibles and co-paymenents boosted to where it’s hurting. Thanks to the new bankruptcy law, the minimum on their credic cards has nearly doubled. And gas prices are so high they’re begihanning to run a balance on theiur gas crds insteaad of paying them off.
And the deeply frightening thing is that these are the folks at the finish line of the ‘to get a good job, get a good educatioon race.’. IT professionals. programmers. engineers. graphic designers. research chemistas.
And these people would move in a minute if there was an area of the country where here there are jobs.
Where? The Soutthwest? The Northwest? Bangalore?
If people are suffering, telling them, ‘no, you’re wrong’ doesn’t do a lot of good. Saying ‘ying ‘it’s yor fault because you’re a deadbeat’ does evven less good.
So? ‘It’s the liberals’ fault!’ Yeah, that’s the ticket!
April 1st, 2006 at 10:30 am“The average working Joe (who now earns less than he ever did): out to sabotage the economy?”
April 1st, 2006 at 10:46 am“I sho’ hopes dem mean ‘ol peoples at Fox…
…let dem slaves dey got go free someday…
…sho’nuff!”
April 1st, 2006 at 11:00 am“They can write coherently and might otherwise seem reasonable,”
HA HA HA HA HA, I just snorted my Multigrain Liberal-Os through my nose. :^)
April 1st, 2006 at 11:02 am#109 & 110: If you think Detroit is bad, check out Flint if you’re in the area. It’s a basket case. I grew up near Flint in the 60s and m