Jonah Goldberg: “Jill Carroll Is Increasingly Starting To Bug Me”
Jonah Goldberg: “Jill Carroll Is Increasingly Starting To Bug Me”
Jonah Goldberg – the right-wing pundit who was recently given a regular column in the LA Times – attacked reporter Jill Carroll early this morning on the National Review’s website:
MAYBE IT’S JUST ME [Jonah Goldberg]
But Jill Carroll is increasingly starting to bug me. The details are still murky and it’s hard to appreciate what she’s been through. And maybe JPod’s right about Stockholm syndrome. And maybe the media’s selectively choosing what to show of her statements. But it would be nice to hear her say something remotely critical of her captors, particularly about the fact that they murdered her translator in cold blood. I’m very glad she’s alive, but I’m getting a very bad vibe. More, no doubt, to come.
No, Mr. Goldberg, unfortunately it’s not just you.
Apparently, Jonah Goldberg, who has spent the last 82 days in safety, knows what Jill Carroll should be saying better than Jill Carroll herself. And when she doesn’t say it, it means something is very wrong with her.
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Excuse my language but these these f****in’ rightwing hatemongers make me sick. Jonah, I have a very bad vibe but your stupid statements. Shut up!
March 31st, 2006 at 9:39 amThe right wing pundits are going to start attacking all she says if she doesn’t conform to the Party line. She and she alone knows what she went through. These people will stop at nothing until we stop them.
March 31st, 2006 at 9:42 amJonah Goldberg and all the Bushite al Crackers represent the WORST humanity has to offer…
…their SICK psychotic credo springs from their cowardly paranoia…
…”If you can’t “create” enemies about whom you weave terrible tales of barbarity and inhuman cruelty…
…what good are you?”
Jonah Goldberg, JPodwho*emonger , and the inbred Bushite TRAITORS, character assasins and warmongering jingoists at National Review and the unAmerican Spectator…
…humanity’s worst genetic strain…
…these defective genes must be isolated and eradicated…
…if the world is to survive…
March 31st, 2006 at 9:48 amTo quote Josesph Welch: “Have you no decency, sir?”
March 31st, 2006 at 9:50 amOf course, Goldberg is a prophetic genius:
Coincidentally, happy 2nd Birthday Air America…
March 31st, 2006 at 9:51 am
Sorry, that’s Joseph, of course.
March 31st, 2006 at 9:51 amWould he be singing a different tune if she had been killed by the “barbarians.” Or perhaps she gets less compassion from Goldberg, Podhoretz, et al, because she is a journalist and not a missionary spreading christianity.
March 31st, 2006 at 9:51 amNo one knows her story yet; who gives a damn about his “bad vibes.”
The repubs have one line. . . everyone in Iraq is a terrorist waiting to attack Americans on Main Street, USA. Americans have and continue to grow tired of the lies. So, anytime the repubs and their media bitches can draw attention away from Americans dying in Iraq they will do so. THIS REPORTER is NOT THE PROBLEM in Iraq. Bush/cheney lies that got us into Iraq ARE THE PROBLEM. This is another media sideshow.
March 31st, 2006 at 9:52 amFunny how these hard line right-wingers think that simlpy because she was heald against her will that equates to being treated badly. If that is the case then every criminal and kid picked up for shoplifting has been treated badly. Hell, every kid forced into detention has been treated badly.
The fact is that she probably thought she would be killed, tortured and possibly even raped. As far as we know, none of that happened and she look like she was fed at least a little bit. That’s not stockhold syndrome, that is the truth as far as we know. We wasn’t beaten or bruised. Yeah, they killed her translator…how does that mean they treated HER badly? Giove me a break.
The right has demonized these insurgents, and made them out to be 9/11 terrorists for so long that they can’t view any of them as being human. They can’t possibly believe these insurgents would treat an innocent prisoner better than their own government. So they have to make excuses and demonize the victim.
March 31st, 2006 at 9:53 amI recall reading comments by another former hostage who remarked on the contrast between, on the one hand, the good hospitality his captors showed him while he was in their power and, on the other hand, the knowledge that they might cut his head off at any time.
I don’t see a problem with that guy or Carroll pointing out that while they were subject to the possibility of being murdered, they were nonetheless adequately fed and were not beaten, tortured, raped, etc.
Granted, it’s easier if we lump all our enemies into one pile of raping, torturing murderers. But if the reality is that some are non-raping, non-torturing murderers, then it seems best to acknowledge the reality.
March 31st, 2006 at 9:56 amShouldn’t the right wingers be happy about “good news” being reported from Iraq?
March 31st, 2006 at 9:56 amNo, they would rather bitch and moan about what they see is the “liberal” media reporting only bad news. When they do get good news, they are pretty quick to turn it sour.
BTW, news coverage from Iraq has been pretty limited lately. Local news doesn’t cover it at all.
Once the revolution is in full swing we’re coming for Jonah first.
March 31st, 2006 at 9:58 amI agree we haven’t heard the whole story from her, but I don’t attribute it to some grand conspiracy. Keep in mind that the interview she gave was at the Islamic Party HQ — and if I’m her I’m not saying anything negative about my captors till I know I’m in the hands of Americans (or on American soil). So while I’m sure there’s plenty of nasty stuff for us to hear, I don’t suspect a sinister plot that would justify attacking her credibility or truthfulness.
March 31st, 2006 at 10:00 amThe Oregonian: covering for Bush and his admin. at every opportunity.
March 31st, 2006 at 10:06 amI wouldn’t buy that rag to use under the kitty litter box, if I had one.
Why are they attacking this lady? The Right Wing Republicans Nuts don’t have any compassion.
March 31st, 2006 at 10:08 amThis made me think…..This is indeed how the right-wing thinks, I agree, and it’s an utterly untenable position. If everyone over there is beyond redemption, WHAT AND WHOM ARE WE FIGHTING FOR? Is everyone going to become a capitalist Christian and help us build military bases once we “win”? You can’t reconcile their steadfast support of this so-called war with their utter contempt for the people we’re supposedly fighting for?
March 31st, 2006 at 10:09 amGoldberg is just another festering mouthpiece for the vast horde of one eye-browed, basement dwelling mouth breathers. Hail to the great King Dumbya.
March 31st, 2006 at 10:10 amWhy are they attacking this lady? The Right Wing Republicans Nuts don’t have any compassion.
Comment by Mary Poppin
Well, in Repugnican thinking, if you don’t have anything bad to say about your enemy, you must be another Jane Fonda.
March 31st, 2006 at 10:12 amIt is curious.. watching the previously released videos of her in captivity she sure looked distraught. And the killing of her translater before her eyes… What do you attribute her glowing review of her jihadist kidnappers to?
March 31st, 2006 at 10:15 amthis is all ANYone needs to know:
March 31st, 2006 at 10:16 amCarroll’s family said in a statement that they are “thrilled and relieved that Jill has been released unharmed.
“Our priority now is to help Jill to recover from her ordeal,” the statement said, appealing to the media to respect the family’s privacy. “When we feel the time is appropriate, we will release more details about her experience.”
Why is there a question mark at the end of my last post?
By the way, I was referring to #8.
March 31st, 2006 at 10:17 amkaty: if only jill herself would follow though. the “details” she’s releasing now make her captors look like a benevolent group of sunday school teachers. i hardly think that’s true. but of course it’s great she’s alive–honestly i didnt expect this and the surprise is pleasant. it’s just a bit off-putting that she immediately reflects the most positive light on her kidnappers when she goes public and speculating as to why is a fun side game, that’s all.
March 31st, 2006 at 10:22 amJonah Goldberg is such a smug, arrogant anus. But everyone already knew that.
March 31st, 2006 at 10:22 amPerhaps she knows of other kidnapped individuals and does not wish to anger the captors. There’s a bunch of reasons why she may have chosen not to be immediately critical..
Of course, some guy living in a comfy home in the States is the best judge of what someone held captive for 3 MONTHS in Iraq should act and say…
March 31st, 2006 at 10:23 amThere’s more where that came from:
Here is a collection, including Goldberg’s comments, of the hate coming from the right wing: Morning In America.
March 31st, 2006 at 10:25 amI dont know if i can think of “a bunch” of reasons to befriend someone who kidnapped me but that’s probably the most reasonable i’ve heard anyone propose.
March 31st, 2006 at 10:26 amWhat do you expect? Jonah’s mother is Linda Tripp, the reichtwingnutz playa who informed Ken Starr about Monica L. Jonah didn’t fall far from that tree I guess.
What is it about Republicans that makes them such dumbshits?
I mean, I don’t like her kidnappers. They kidnapped her. They held her against her will. They publically threatened to kill her unless their demands were met.
But attacking Jill now cause she said she was treated well in captivity….that’s over the line.
March 31st, 2006 at 10:31 amMust drink whiskey to get through today and the rest of Chimpy’s term. Are these people WILFULLY stoopid?????
March 31st, 2006 at 10:31 amBut attacking Jill now cause she said she was treated well in captivity….that’s over the line.
Comment by kindness — March 31, 2006 @ 10:31 am
I think that’s the bottom line. Attack what you don’t like in hope it will go away. Pathetic and unfair. As usual.
March 31st, 2006 at 10:39 amThe level is discourse on this site is becomingly increasingly hateful and ill-formed so much so that I can hardly tell the difference between this and the extreme right wing blogs, just change the names of the targets of the vitriol and you are seeing two sides of the same coin.
This is yet another story about nothing and you people are getting all frothy-mouthed about it, the truth is we still don’t know the whole story. I think most people are genuinely happy that she is safe and can return to her family but we don’t have all the facts and as was alluded to in some reading I’ve been doing this morning it’s pretty convenient that the Sunni political party office she was released to already had a plaque made for her. This seems to me to be some kind of political stunt and an opportunity to show that the Sunni’s aren’t all crazed lunatics cutting peoples heads off. But kidnapping someone at gunpoint, shooting her translator in the head and threatening to kill her so much so that she was in tears on camera doesn’t exactly jive with her statements that they never threatened her.
That is a legitimate concern and a major contradiction, that is the gist of what he is saying and taken in context I don’t think it’s outrageous.
March 31st, 2006 at 10:39 amI do not think that Jonah Goldberg has any credentials that would make him an authority on the human mind…. on psychology. But it is NOT impossible for someone to know more Jill Carroll than she does of herself. If she DID face some kind of trauma, someone on the outside who has the expertiese may be able to explain what is going on and help.
Of course the wording he used was also a little bit… unkind. To say a former captive is BUGGING him is rediculous. Would he go public to say that about someone who had autism? Becaues some of their actions too may be something he or anyone else would rather not see… but you wouldn’t say it bugs you.
Bottom line is, it IS possible for someone who is not Jill to be able to assess what is going on in her brain better than she (assuming they learn the facts of what she went through). But I do not agree with how Jonah went about those comments, and I do not beleive he has a single credential that makes him a reliable source to know anything like that.
March 31st, 2006 at 10:40 amThis is yet another story about nothing
Comment by Onthefence — March 31, 2006 @ 10:39 am
It’s another typical response from the neocons in the media that we are frustrated over. Not so much the actual story itself.
March 31st, 2006 at 10:45 amJill Carroll converted to Islam!
March 31st, 2006 at 10:45 amwait and see when the truth will come out—
If I were Jill Carroll and I did want to say terrible things about my abductors, I hope I would have the good sense to wait until I was out of their country. Anyway, the day will come when the radical right will be saying that the Taliban and Al Qaeda weren’t such bad guys after all. They’re saying that about Joseph Stalin and what’s the difference between his reign of terror and today’s terrorists?
March 31st, 2006 at 10:54 amwho the hell is saying that? the wackjob revisionist left, pining for the good ol commie days, that’s who.
March 31st, 2006 at 11:00 am#33,
And if your supposition turns out not to happen, will you come back to these boards and admit to everyone that you were wrong?
March 31st, 2006 at 11:02 am#31 - What is it about this thread that you dispute?
Cliff notes - Reporter kidnapped, threatend with murder, released unharmed many weeks later. Republican WACKJOB Jonah Goldberg attacks reporter because she said she was treated well as a captive.
We’re commenting on the suitability and appropriateness of the REICHTWINGNUTZ Jonah Goldbergs comments. What thread are you reading?
#33 - I could be wrong but I thought I had read early on in this saga that she had converted to Islam a long time ago, that’s why she felt safe. I could be wrong on that point though.
March 31st, 2006 at 11:13 amHe assumes that the Iraqis will do to an American what the Americans do to the Iraqis (remember Abu Graib.
March 31st, 2006 at 11:14 amJonah, your moms teet is engorged and waiting for you;better get on home now.
March 31st, 2006 at 11:14 amJust like Air America, the official nickname for Mr. Goldberg, Doughy Pantload, is about to turn two years old.
Oh, and just so this comment isn’t pure blogwhoring: Fuck off, Doughy Pantload.
March 31st, 2006 at 11:21 amall this complaining about no “good” news from Iraq, and when there is some, consternatives crap on it…
like an anthropologist, she sought to blend in with the people she was covering… that’s a pretty good idea, especially for a Western journalist in the hostile Middle East, don’t you think???
http://blogdebogs.blogspot.com/ 2006/ 03/ is-this-news-good-enough-for-you.html
March 31st, 2006 at 11:21 amIt is incredible to me that Republicans can dismiss criticism of the President as mere “hate” and then ruthlessly smear a freed hostage so hatefully. How can the kool-aid crowd have such low expectations for their spokesmen?
Has Jill Carroll been speaking on the news everywhere that she is such a threat to them? Anyone working this hard to control the message obviously has a weak position to defend.
March 31st, 2006 at 11:22 amI think the right has found it’s next Cindy Sheehan - what do you say?
they’re sick of Carroll, sick of Sheehan, and apparently at least one of them is sick of the 9/11 families, as I recall… wonderful people…
March 31st, 2006 at 11:23 amIf only them “ragheads” woulda kilt her insted!
March 31st, 2006 at 11:24 amThen we right wingers would be a callin’ fer a bombin’ campaign aginst Falluja.
Jonah Goldberg: “Jill Carroll Is Increasingly Starting To Bug Me†- - You’ll have to learn to live with your disappointment.
March 31st, 2006 at 11:28 amto #36
The issue is not you and me.
Jill Carroll is not anymore - the same old Jill Carroll (before the kidnapping)!
Islamic terrorist, and in general, a Muslim man cannot talk or negotiate with women unless they subduing her to there religious laws or cultures. we can see signs of converting and accepting the Islamic dogma in her words and way of dressing.
When we say converting it means that her captors became her soul master. As such the Islamic model to convert (after raping your body and soul) infidels is totally equipped with very efficient tools. (See the Balkans, Spain, Africa, India, Indonesia, and now in Canada— and the list is long).
March 31st, 2006 at 11:30 amThose countries never had been Muslim. They were conquered by sword or by massive immigration and there nation raped and kneeled down to Islam.
Now they doing it to you and we, American, say to those thugs, thank you, can we get more?
#27 - Holy crap, I didn’t know Jonah G was linda Tripp’s baby. Blech!
Fortunately, I don’t think Jill Carroll will lose one minute’s sleep over what Jonah Goldberg might be thinking. The nerve of her not getting her head chopped off! Those wingnuts are nuckin’ futs.
March 31st, 2006 at 11:32 amHe’s a member of Operation Yellow Elephant..
March 31st, 2006 at 11:34 amGoldberg is a pimple on the ass of progress.
Carrol was not in SAFE custody when she made the statements she did make, and I dont blame her at all for proceeding with caution.
But the pukes, why she was planted, she was not kidnapped, she willingly let her bodyguard be killed and went with her captures with a smile on her face.
What a bunch of crazies they all are. I flipped over to Faux News yesterday evening and the comments below the newscaster were all from administration officials trying to take credit for her release. Comments from Rice, the Defense Department, the FBI and they CIA all saying that they had helped in her release.
What bunk!!
March 31st, 2006 at 11:36 amToo much people thinks too straightly on this simple idea: if you were kidnapped, you can not have be “treated well”.
But is very simple. If the kidnappers simply kidnapped her, and then only retained her without insulting, harassing, beating, and feeding her, thats “well treated”.
“Bad treated” is when, having anyone against his will, you insult, harass, beat, not feed him. Surprise, surprise. It’s what happens in Guantánamo, Abu Graihb, Bagram and all those secrec gulags around the world. Is this very idea the one who scares the shit out of republicans: if the public thinks a little about it, would end seeing that the USA is acting worse than some terrorists…
And the people under the USA custody simply don’t know what will happen to them. And many have been deprived of contact with the world for five years now. They don’t know if some day they will “dissappear”, or would be beaten to death, or they will be surrendered to some country where national police boils/rape/scalps/electroshocks people to death…
March 31st, 2006 at 11:36 am#46 - will you share your meds with the rest of us?
I won’t take any till after work though. They look powerful.
March 31st, 2006 at 11:42 amkaty: if only jill herself would follow though. the “details†she’s releasing now make her captors look like a benevolent group of sunday school teachers…
it’s just a bit off-putting that she immediately reflects the most positive light on her kidnappers when she goes public and speculating as to why is a fun side game, that’s all.
Comment by Chase #22
Chased (by your own shadow),
…during the Nicaraguan and other third world peasant versus “the right wing establishment” uprisings many of the rebels were…nuns…
…the problem with right wing inbred Bushites is that you don’t know jack about the culture of those you choose to murder and make your enemies…
…Muslims- though very chauvinistic- for the most part respect the “modesty” and “virtue” of women…
…I guess you inbred Bushites would feel a lot better if pictures of Ms Carrol on the top of a human pyramid of naked bodies with electrodes attached to her genitalia were released…
…you right wing inbred Bushite TRAITORS are indeed subhuman…
March 31st, 2006 at 11:45 amI sure wish we could talk to all of those people who have been shot by their captors in Iraq. I am glad Carroll says that her captors treated her well and that she wasn’t harmed, I just hope the the media doesn’t try and paint these insurgents as people who are just “misunderstood”.
March 31st, 2006 at 11:49 amLinda Tripp is Jonah Goldberg’s mother? No doubt Lucianne Goldberg will be very surprised to hear that. So will he.
You folks are hilarious.
March 31st, 2006 at 11:52 ambig papa: youre too much of a dipshit for me to even respond. thanks for saving my time.
and evil spaniard: that was the single most uninformed comment i’ve seen on this vaginal stain of a site in ages - when her captors released a video of her begging, pleading for the US to comply with their demands, with guns, swords (btw-what the fuck is that?) etc pointed at her, i wouldnt call that “well treated.”
part of your premise is true: the US isnt free and clear when it comes to prisoners - there have been issues in the past and, no doubt, the continue to some extent today. but dont smear gitmo–every indy oberserver of late says the place is humane and on the up-and-up.
so no, moron, the USA isnt “acting worse than some terrorists” - some americans are are acting like terrorists. not all of them, not by a long shot.
dont confuse the actions of some american assholes with the USA as a whole. youre decieving yourself if you do.
March 31st, 2006 at 11:55 amI don’t have anything much to add here, but I can’t remember being MORE pissed off at these right wingers. I would ask every last one of them to spend 82 days with the creeps that kidnapped Jill and then let’s monitor their every word and action and clothing starting the moment they are released.
I mean, at least have the common f***ing decency to let her get to American soil before they treat her with such barely disguised hatred! They treat her like she’s John Kerry, trying to save his fellow Swift Boaters in the Mekong River.
March 31st, 2006 at 12:06 pmPerhaps one might look to the masthead of the publication she wrote for.
Atop the logo of the Christian Science Monitor, it says, “To Injure No Man, But To Bless All Mankind.”
Might have something todo with it–might have somethhing to do with her being in Iraq in the first pace.
March 31st, 2006 at 12:11 pmThe bigots in this country no longer even try to disguise their hatred. They figure they own the GOP now, so why should they? They’re mainstream. They’re in charge, for goodness sake. Why worry? They see their advantage in inflaming jingoism, bigotry, hatred. Bring the ignorant fears in the public up to the surface and exploit them. That’s their game and they are very good at it. The reception for this hostage is just one example of the twisted mind at work. The immigration debate is another.
March 31st, 2006 at 12:16 pmThey would rather tear this country apart with hatred and violence than recognize the contribution of anyone other than white Christian CONSERVATIVES (aka bigots).
Poor white christian Jill is not a CONSERVATIVE, so she’s fair game no matter what she has done, or what has been done to her.
You know, … he who is not with us is against us crap.
Hi lefties,
We love you; you are the abundant ship of G-d.
Without us you have been long ago kidnapped raped and converted to Islam.
Don’t worry, we will save and defend you!
to #52
March 31st, 2006 at 12:18 pm“…Muslims- though very chauvinistic- for the most part respect the “modesty†and “virtue†of women…â€
Have a nice life.
I recommend you to try it in with a Saudi or Iranian Muslim rich one. I promise you that after your first born child, you will look desperately for help and ask us (the US) to come and save you…
like other nice good American women who tried it in the past!
and evil spaniard: that was the single most uninformed comment i’ve seen on this vaginal stain of a site in ages - when her captors released a video of her begging, pleading for the US to comply with their demands, with guns, swords (btw-what the fuck is that?) etc pointed at her, i wouldnt call that “well treated.â€
“vaginal stain” Wow! You’re a tough male, loving to talking roughly, uh? You liked “Brokeback Mountain” a lot, for sure.
And, btw, I was pointing specially to physical violence, and saying that in fact, she can say that “was treate well” if the kidnappers don’t tortured her physically for the shake of simple fun, as did, sor some examples, Lynndie England and his baby’s father, the head of his unit.
part of your premise is true: the US isnt free and clear when it comes to prisoners - there have been issues in the past and, no doubt, the continue to some extent today. but dont smear gitmo–every indy oberserver of late says the place is humane and on the up-and-up.
There are issues in the present, too, in fully extent, pal. The responsibles are simply more stealthy. Don’t be naïve. And the observers (read Red Cross, Human Rights Watch, etc) haven’t been granted access to prisoners. So they cannot grant any “humane and on the up-and-up” treatment, because they can’t talk to prisonners or see them to make a full report. And, by the way, one of the last news about prisoners is that they were shipped out of Guantanamo to evade “indy” observers. So, you are basically lying. And yes, I call you a liar. Now, brag about it all you want, but it will not change the truth. Not MY truth, the ABSOLUTE truth. The one who knows God, and the Bush Cabal is struggling to hide.
so no, moron, the USA isnt “acting worse than some terrorists†- some americans are are acting like terrorists. not all of them, not by a long shot.
So, yes, sucker, YOUR WHOLE COUNTRY as a whole is responsible of the mess, and acting as terrorists, or better, as a the rogue state who has been a lot of times, based only in self-interest of the ruling president. As your country acted a lot of times before, in El Salvador, Chile, Argentina and many others. Put out the blindfold of your eyes. John Wayne’s movies are pretty, but are only movies. And if you’re against the acts of these “some”, act against them. If not, you’re simply appeasing them, and letting them to continue.
dont confuse the actions of some american assholes with the USA as a whole. youre decieving yourself if you do.
These “some” are the ones who represent your country outdoors, realize it. And I fear that the “some” that give bad image of your country aren’t simply Lynndie England and the few indicted with her, but the acts of your leaders.
What do you think that gives worser image to your country? Lynndie England caught of photo, or your President Bush going to war without the second resolution of the UN and the opinion of your country’s long time allies, making the UN inspectors to exit from Iraq before their job was done? And only to, after the invasion, have David Kay, your own country inspector, and a Bush faithful servant, confirm the UN inspectors observations.
Think in the tank shelling the Hotel Palestine, where one of our journalists was killed? The Hotel was very distinctive and full of journalists, as your Central Command knew at the time. And tanks don’t fire without receiving orders. Specially after being 45 minutes in front of the Hotel. None of the tank crew has been indicted.
Or the spraying of bullets at the car who was bringing the freed italian journalist Giulietta Sgregna, with their liberators, from the italian secret services, done in a control? At least two high officers in the USA knew the route of the car, and the car was not speeding.
The word isn’t “some” but “all of them, beggining at the POTUS, and going down”
March 31st, 2006 at 12:40 pm#27 - Oops, kindness, see #54. Wrong birth canal.
March 31st, 2006 at 12:47 pmJonah has a bad vibe about Jill Carroll lol > he used to insinuate things for his mom about Bill Clinton and Monica! He imagined all kinds of dirty minded things about Monica, so maybe his rants prove that he hates women, and like Ken Mehlman probably a secret closet queen guy!
March 31st, 2006 at 1:08 pmI am delighted that Jill Carroll was released from her captivity in good health. As she was describing the humane manner in which she was treated, I couldn’t help but remember the video tape of her crying and begging for her life. Hmmm…..
An aside: Happy Birthday, Air America!!! Have lefty devotees stepped up their contributions to keep it on the air??? Maybe if they succumbed to the horribly crass capitalistic idea of SELLING commercial time….oh, the rates are low due to the Arbitron ratings???? Who knew???
March 31st, 2006 at 1:08 pmDuh - I knew it was something like that. My mistake, I apologize. Lucianee Goldberg is a much nicer (sarcasm on) person than Linda Tripp. I do admit that I was wrong, but what I meant still goes. Both of ‘em are right wing troglodites.
March 31st, 2006 at 1:09 pmJonah’s mother is Linda Tripp, the reichtwingnutz playa who informed Ken Starr about Monica L. Jonah didn’t fall far from that tree I guess.
Comment by kindness #27
kindness,
…this is why incest and inbreeding must be stopped…
March 31st, 2006 at 1:09 pmIt’s funny, I googled it too before I printed it. unfortuneately I wronte the wrong name.
Maybe I got those meds already and didn’t know it.
March 31st, 2006 at 1:10 pmNo doubt Lucianne Goldberg will be very surprised to hear that. So will he.
You folks are hilarious.
Comment by Rand Simberg #54
Raunchy,
…same difference…
March 31st, 2006 at 1:11 pmWhen I read the comments of Evil Spaniard, I am reminded of the reason Spain has been on a downward slide for several centuries….Old Europe, indeed….
March 31st, 2006 at 1:27 pm#68 - I’m sure there’s a place for you in the State Department.
March 31st, 2006 at 1:31 pm#68 Start learning chinese mandarin, MightyHag.
March 31st, 2006 at 1:32 pmjonah goldberg is lucianne goldberg’s mother. she blew lbj in the oval office regularly, and was close friends with tripp.
March 31st, 2006 at 1:44 pmjonah goldberg is lucianne goldberg’s son. she blew lbj in the oval office regularly, and was close friends with tripp.
March 31st, 2006 at 1:44 pmrvictor = tool
March 31st, 2006 at 1:47 pmLucianne Goldberg was one of President Nixon’s infamous “Plumber” spies! She had ties to the shady right wing of the CIA! She was also the coordinator of the trap to snare President Clinton with Monica! She and Linda Tripp deceived Monica into helping them! Interesting that Monica’s mother lived next door to Senator Bob Dole, at the Watergate Condo complex, so the whole deal on getting Bill was orchestrated, including capturing his cum on that blue dress!
March 31st, 2006 at 1:53 pmEvil Spaniard - THANKs for the useful tip - Mandarin Chinese will come in handy in the global market!!! Sure as hell beats wasting my time with Castillian Spanish….
March 31st, 2006 at 1:57 pm#77 Glad to serve. It’s a good idea, now that NAFTA and CAFTA are crumbling between the fingers of Bush, and the red tide is coming from South America. But you would learn too to swim, because being a wetback in China would prove to be a lot difficult for you, being a fatty truck driver as you are, and having to cross the Pacific by your own means….
March 31st, 2006 at 2:17 pm#78 - From your envious, resent filled posts I had a feeling you were a Marxist…Thanks for the confirmation….
March 31st, 2006 at 2:27 pm[…] Jonah Goldberg has responded to my earlier post criticizing his attack on Jill Carroll: UNTHINK PROGRESS [Jonah Goldberg] …Is it really so crazy to think that someone who hasn’t spent the last 82 days in captivity by Islamic kidnappers might be thinking more clearly than someone who has? Is it so absurd to think that maybe someone who had their senses about them and their moral center in good order, would be less thankful about her treatment and more upset that the translator she asked to come with her was murdered while working for her? I understand that the logic of the left cannot escape the orbit of “you wouldn’t understand” identity politics. But come on. Does anyone in their right mind think that Think Progress would be rallying to this woman’s side if she emerged from her captivity saying George W. Bush was right and the people who kidnapped her were terrorist animals? Please. They’d be prattling on about how she lost her mind. […]
March 31st, 2006 at 2:28 pm#79 Envy? Of YOU? lol. Of YOUR COUNTRY? LOL.
And you wouldn’t recognize a marxist even if the corpse of Karl Marx raised from his grave, walked to your basement and kicked your ENORMOUS BUTT!!
And now onto the topic of the thread: do you remember what is MA, or your memory is only 2 minutes long?
March 31st, 2006 at 2:50 pmHey libs - step back from the Kool-Aid. You are being hypocritical here with his comments and are guilty of what your accusing him of. Lets wait and see what her motivation is behind this before either side jumps to conclusions. Keep in mind, it was only several weeks ago she was crying on tape pleading for her life - doesn’t sound like being treated fairly does it? I’m going to assume by even liberal standards, anyone being threatened with their life while being fed, is not being treated humanely, even if they dislike this administation??
March 31st, 2006 at 3:19 pmThat’s a real coincidence.
Jill Carroll gives Jonah “The Whale” Goldberg a bad vibe and Jonah makes my sphincter tighten!
March 31st, 2006 at 3:37 pmMore Carroll bashing…
This time, from Jonah Goldberg:MAYBE IT’S JUST ME [Jonah Goldberg] But Jill Carroll is increasingly starting to bug me. The details are still murky and it’s hard to appreciate what she’s been through. And maybe JPod’s right about Stockholm syndrome…
March 31st, 2006 at 5:45 pmI remember reading that the people who were holding her were not the people who kidnapped and killed her translator, but that they had turned her over to some other group after the first deadline came and went. Might explain why she has not commented on the murder or not. Doesn’t matter anyway.
March 31st, 2006 at 6:08 pm“Keep in mind, it was only several weeks ago she was crying on tape pleading for her life - doesn’t sound like being treated fairly does it? I’m going to assume by even liberal standards, anyone being threatened with their life while being fed, is not being treated humanely, even if they dislike this administation?? Comment by Dell ”
So by your train of ‘thought’ - I’ll be generous for a moment and call it that - all of the death row inmates in this country who are being ‘threatened’ with death are being treated inhumanely?
Wow, you reichwingers sure are a STUPID lot.
March 31st, 2006 at 6:55 pmRyan Neat - labelling your posts arguments is generous to you fucktards who can’t stay on point. To answer your question: only if the death row inmates are innocent.
March 31st, 2006 at 7:39 pm“Ryan Neat - labelling your posts arguments is generous to you fucktards who can’t stay on point. To answer your question: only if the death row inmates are innocent.
Comment by Your-Left-Ear ”
That didn’t even make any sense. So only ‘innocent’ people can be ‘threatened’? Were you always that stupid, or did you work at it?
DUhhhhhh!!!
March 31st, 2006 at 7:47 pm[…] Jonah Goldberg: Jill Carroll Is Increasingly Starting To Bug Me …Think Progress, DC - 11 hours agoBut Jill Carroll is increasingly starting to bug me. The details are still murky and it s hard to appreciate what she s been through. … […]
March 31st, 2006 at 9:25 pmI am not a very religious guy, but I prayed and prayed for Jill to be aware of Gods presence during this ordeal. With no way of knowing the final turn out, l couldn’t imagine the fear that she must have realized when she was first captured. I thank God for not only her safe return but for her obvious warness of Him and the thousands of souls that were with her in heart.
These people who did this to her and killed an inocent man are wrong and need to be brought to justice, but if Jill can still feel good towards them after all this than she is amazing and I am ever more impressed. Thank you Jill for being so strong. If only the world had more people like you, it would be a better place.
Dean Amyotte - Essex Ontario, Canada
March 31st, 2006 at 10:25 pmMaybe we can get Carroll’s captors to take Jonah Goldberg for awhile, then Jonah can come back and tell us what he thinks. Maybe not.
April 1st, 2006 at 1:22 amLike who cares if ANYONE “bugs” Jonah Goldberg? What an infant.
April 1st, 2006 at 2:06 amshes muslim, watch and wait…….. ever since that 3rd video sorta got this vibe… she acted much more differently than before.. and what was with the floral pattern?
yeah watch n wait…
April 1st, 2006 at 4:16 amJonah Goldbarg–another jackass.
April 1st, 2006 at 8:40 amso no, moron, the USA isnt “acting worse than some terrorists†- some americans are are acting like terrorists. not all of them, not by a long shot.
dont confuse the actions of some american assholes with the USA as a whole. youre decieving yourself if you do.
Comment by Chase #55
Chased(by your own shadow),
62 MILLION so-called AMERICANS (traitors ALL)…
…acted exactly LIKE “TERRORISTS”…
…when your racist, TREASONOUS, al Cracker inbred a*ses…
…voted- in defiance of common sense, humanity, and dignity-…
…to re-elct this criminal, murderous, profiteering, corrupt, subhuman, incompetent Bushite regime…
…you should ALL be held accountable by the “CIVILIZED” world…
April 1st, 2006 at 10:44 amWhy can’t you link to the original article?!?
April 1st, 2006 at 11:13 am[…] 3. It’s quite possible that, in time, Carroll will provide more details about her treatment in captivity. These comments may or may not be completely consistent with what she said moments after being released. We’ll just have to wait and see. In the meantime, it seems inappropriate to attack her mental state, her patriotism or her character because she didn’t use the right’s preferred buzzwords about terrorists. […]
April 1st, 2006 at 3:13 pm#74
“Air America programs hosted by Al Franken and Randi Rhodes have outperformed their conservative rivals Sean Hannity and Bill O’Reilly among adults between the ages of 25 and 54, a key demographic for advertisers.”
We are definately going to need to see some evidence of this, by all means please provide it.
April 3rd, 2006 at 10:05 amWho do these people think they are? As a non-US citizen I watch with shock and horror at the way ‘patriotic’ Americans attack each other with no sense of respect or thought for the “golden rule” (anyone remember that one??). Where is the decency? A safe at-home reporter is being “bugged” by the way a released hostage is acting??? it doesn’t even make sense yet is treated as a valid point.
April 3rd, 2006 at 2:49 pmCan anyone answer this question?? I have noticed that if an American does not like the views expressed by another American (in this case usually a response by a Bush/administration admirer vs. a war protestor), a reply I often hear is “If you don’t like it, move” or something along those lines. Aren’t you all American? Why should a proestor have to leave their own country for sticking up for what they believe in? And where are they supposed to go??? How does that makes sense?
What gets me is that the people being critical of Carroll are the same people who complain that reporters are reporting from their hotel rooms and not going out after ‘the good news.’ Well, here’s a reporter who hit the streets and that’s not good enough either.
They’ve got no real arguments - just a constant gnat-like whine…
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April 4th, 2006 at 2:19 amGriper Blade - grumblings from the heartland
you people,the people in the middle east are just like we are they sit back and let the news and the gov.tell the story and they lead the people like a heard of sheep.Ask yourself if their was know euro dollar,and no oil,would 9-11 ever have happend,no one looks at how low the euro was before 9-11 and look at it now,the same with oil,so don,t blame the few people who have balls enough to say what they think in public,use your head and calculate the amount of money that it took to cause this whole thing,and devide it by the lose of life on both sides,if you think this is about religous beliefs or freedom your blind,its money and power.thanks for your time ………….
April 4th, 2006 at 8:51 amMakes ya wonder what tune they’ll sing after the next dose of global warming takes a dump on Orleans this summer. Don’t these little misbegotten loosers have responsible looser parents who could protect them from Bu$h huberists…who have no compassion, interest or humorists that give a rip about them? Another classic example of adult deliquincy, another generation of dysfunctional miscreants. Seig! Heil! Seig…
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