Paul Mirengoff of the popular blog PowerLine takes issue with my defense of Jill Carroll from right-wing attacks in a post called “‘Think Progress’ rallies to the defense of terrorists”:
By rejecting criticism of Carroll’s comments, and attacking those who place them in their proper perspective, the Think Progress author joins Carroll in casting the terrorists in a far better light than they deserve. Carroll did so after nearly three months of intense emotional distress. What is Think Progress’s excuse?
A couple of comments:
1. The authors of Powerline and other right-wing pundits are not in a position to put Carroll’s experience in its “proper perspective.†At most, they’ve seen a few seconds of video out of an 82-day ordeal. Just because Carroll’s initial comments didn’t fit in with their preferred narrative doesn’t mean there is something wrong with her.
2. Everyone agrees that terrorists and kidnappers are bad people. Powerline and others confuse Carroll’s efforts as a journalist to accurately describe her conditions in captivity with some subversive effort to rehabilitate the reputation of terrorists.
3. It’s quite possible that, in time, Carroll will provide more details about her treatment in captivity. These comments may or may not be completely consistent with what she said moments after being released. We’ll just have to wait and see. In the meantime, it seems inappropriate to attack her mental state, her patriotism or her character because she didn’t use the right’s preferred buzzwords about terrorists.
Jill Carroll being released from captivity is a piece of genuine good news from Iraq. Why is it so hard for the right to accept it.
Chapter 8: The System was blinking red
April 1st, 2006 at 3:17 pmThere’s plenty of people on the right that could teach Enrico Fermi a few things about how to spin.
April 1st, 2006 at 3:20 pmWhy does Mirengoff hate America so much?
April 1st, 2006 at 3:28 pmIt seems as if the right is more “pro-terrorist” for wanting them to kill Jill Carroll. If PowerLine admits that Carroll suffered “intense emotional distress” before she made her video comments, why are they criticizing them? She was forced to do the video, just like all the other hostages–end of story.
http://www.lcoliberal.blogspot.co
April 1st, 2006 at 3:28 pmMore on the bashing of Jill Carroll: LCL
Jill Carroll being released from captivity is a piece of genuine good news from Iraq. Why is it so hard for the right to accept it.
“Because, your bad peoples MUST do your bad things. It’s why they are bad peoples, see? Only Evangelical Christians (’cause all other kinds is just as bad as them goddamn atheists) qualify as good peoples. It’s why we’re tryin’ to make all ya’ll into Evangelicals. Make you stop doin’ bad things, like criticizing me. Good for my poll numbers, too, see? Not that I care about poll numbers or nothin’”
April 1st, 2006 at 3:33 pmWhen they’re not claiming Jill Carroll loves terrorists, they’re busy claiming liberals love bad news. As usual, most of their criticism of Think Progress is true of themselves but not of Think Progress.
April 1st, 2006 at 3:33 pmI think we should be more concerned about civil war in America than in Iraq, frankly.
April 1st, 2006 at 3:35 pmThe CS Monitor has called the right-wingnuts on this as well.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0331/dailyUpdate.html
Amazing how these nutcases lack even the smallest semblance of human compassion. This woman has had every facet of her life controlled by kidnappers for the past 3 months - OF COURSE she’s going to say what they want to hear! If she’s on Islamic television OF COURSE she’s going to cover her hair! The vituperative attacks spewing from these wingnuts get worse and worse every day. They seem to thrive on hate and anger - yet they majority of them will call themselves Christian. Go figure.
April 1st, 2006 at 3:36 pmWhy do these conservative pundits hate women so much? Would they treat a man so dismissively, so perversely? Is there a fundamental difference between the mindset that their comments reveal, that lack of human decency, and those “few bad apples” who found pleasure in the torture of prisoners? And, to draw the analogy further, are they that different than a person who could kidnap and hold another hostage? Hatespeak is Terrorism. Shameful. These are not the kind of Americans that the founders envisioned. They do not believe in equality. They do not believe in freedom. They do not believe in the unfettered persuit of happiness. These do not value liberty or justice for anyone.
April 1st, 2006 at 3:37 pmA bunch of right wing sausages. Think Progress rocks for standing up against these freaks.
Show the world what kind of taliban hatemongering these guys can really do. My favorite nutjob is Debbie Schlussel. Visit her site and enjoy the writings of a 2 year old mind.
I have a round up of most of the hatemongers here.
April 1st, 2006 at 3:39 pm#7 - That may not be too far away. Stirring up the Latino population, crapping on the poor, burdening the middle class, abandoning the old. Stormy times are ahead.
April 1st, 2006 at 3:39 pmJust imagine if she got back describing her rape and torture at the hands of her captors. Then we would have to endure their criticisms of not reporting any of the good things that happened while in the hands of the Iraqis.
April 1st, 2006 at 3:41 pmNot to mention that we now know the video was made under duress.
And fucking Goldberg is still grappling for a shred of anything that will make him look less like the twisted wreck of a human that he is. Today he’s disparaging her over a new video that was found while she was still a captive.
These are such truly odious and witless f***. Hatred of what they represent is a sacred thing.
April 1st, 2006 at 3:43 pmJudd, your thoughtful sensitivity for Jill Carroll’s plight and release is to be expected. EVERYONE knows progs CARE MORE, and FEEL MORE, than ANYONE else in the universe. When progs are not busy patting themselves on the back for their individual and collective sensitivity, they are busy looking for arenas in which to criticize their ideological opponents. EVERYONE is happy that Jill Carroll was released safely; most people understand the tremendous anxiety and duress she was under.
“Is it really so crazy to think that someone who hasn’t spent the last 82 days in captivity by Islamic kidnappers might be thinking more clearly than someone who has? ” - J. Goldberg
This is YOUR highlighted portion - Goldberg’s comment does not criticize, it is an apt description.
No, Judd - not .. “Everyone agrees that terrorists and kidnappers are bad people.” You do read the thread, do you not? My favourite “indignations” belong to the TP regulars who commend Jill for “humanizing” the insurgents. I am sure she did so out of sheer relief to not have guns or cameras pointed at her while weeping and pleading for her life - tears which might be expected when remembering the two shots to the head the poor driver took.
April 1st, 2006 at 3:43 pmThey are just angry from being bloated and morning sick, carrying Chaney’s baby for five years. But deep down they know it will be a still birth, hence the lashing out against the professionals.
April 1st, 2006 at 3:43 pmNRO, PowerLine, etc., have spent weeks complaining that the media never reports any good news from Iraq — and now they’re complaining about the good news! It’s truly majestic to watch people with no scruples and no integrity backbend their way to a new spin every day, even if the spin contradicts their last spin.
April 1st, 2006 at 3:43 pmCorrection: Goldberg posted that last night. the point still stands.
April 1st, 2006 at 3:44 pm#7 - “I think we should be more concerned about civil war in America than in Iraq, frankly.” - Comment by unbelievable
April 1st, 2006 at 3:46 pm****Excellent idea!!!!!
Judd - Why not discuss “objectively” the importance of Justice Ginsburgs thoughts on the importance of considering foreign law etc. as it applies to the US Constitution. (That’s also in today’s Powerline.) FYI, some people might consider that a tad more important than TP’s pi$$ing contest with Powerline….
April 1st, 2006 at 3:56 pmAMEN Judd. I have been following the rights implosion over them not getting their “Jill Carroll beheading video”. It is really sick. All we have and all we will ever have is Jill’s story unless someone else is talking to her captures.
They talk about the media reporting the bad in Iraq - sounds more like the right is the ones wishing for it (and Debbie Schlussel has been one of the worst).
Jamie
April 1st, 2006 at 3:57 pmhttp://www.intoxination.net
Tell you what MA; how about you go and read some of the filth we are objecting too, think about how YOU would act in the same situation, and stop being such a wanker?
Maybe, just maybe she wasn’t tortured, starved or treat that badly. Maybe she was, we don’t know and we won’t know until she is ready to really say anything which definitely isn’t under duress, but right now, I would suggest you inform your blogging buddies to lay off. We don’t need a bunch of cowards pissing on her name right now. We have seen too much of that already.
April 1st, 2006 at 4:01 pm#19 — US law is rooted in foreign law, in case you hadn’t noticed.
PS: Why did TP only rate a rebuff from Mirengoff? Wasn’t the smart guy available?
April 1st, 2006 at 4:02 pmPowerline is valued asset of the Internet section of the Reich’s Ministry of Propaganda. It is their job to pomote Big Lies on the web and make the ignorant masses believe in the goals of the National Socialist movement, which has successfully infiltrated the ranks of the Republican Party.
April 1st, 2006 at 4:17 pmOnce again the extremist right wing shows their hatred of American’s on the front lines. I’ll bet he has a yellow ribbon magnet and considers himself patriotic as a result. But does he show any real support for an American citizen held hostage by the enemy? No. Instead, typical of the right wing, he savages and smears an American citizen brave enough to go into a war zone and report back to the American people.
The right wing once again shows its true colors… yellow… and it’s hatred and fear of brave and free Americans.
April 1st, 2006 at 4:18 pmPowerline is valued asset of the Internet section of the Reich’s Ministry of Propaganda. It is their job to promote Big Lies on the web and make the ignorant masses believe in the goals of the National Socialist movement, which has successfully infiltrated the ranks of the Republican Party.
April 1st, 2006 at 4:18 pm#7 - That may not be too far away. Stirring up the Latino population, crapping on the poor, burdening the middle class, abandoning the old. Stormy times are ahead.
Comment by Blue County in a Red state — April 1, 2006 @ 3:39 pm
I truly hope I’m wrong, but all the factors you mentioned, left unchecked, seem to indicate that We the People need to stop taking the left vs. right bait and remember that 278 milliion Americans over power a few hundred out-of-control-freaks.
We need to remember that it is the United States.
April 1st, 2006 at 4:20 pmAndrew
The rightwing is red. It’s the colour on their hands.
April 1st, 2006 at 4:20 pm****Excellent idea!!!!!
Comment by mighty aphrodite — April 1, 2006 @ 3:46 pm
Sounds like you’re volunteering your 4 bratsfor a war with other Anericans. You seriously need professional help. And a visit from DFACS.
April 1st, 2006 at 4:23 pmMA - What do you hope to gain by your posts? Do you really think you will change anyone’s mind here about how Jill’s release is being portrayed by the right wing blogs? I don’t think so. Or is it just that Powerline DOESN’T ALLOW COMMENTS that makes you feel you need to get if off your chest here?
April 1st, 2006 at 4:24 pmLet’s now forget, Carroll is a reporter. Reporters write articles, reports, stories and other interesting for money pieces. Why would anyone surviving her experience say much of anything within minutes / hours / days of being released? If she’s true to her vocation, she will be writing a detailed article about her experiences…with -or- without a political point of view. The righties, are fearful of anyone who may acquire more support for their point of view than the bush/cheney bobble heads who specialize in faux news. The rights’ reaction is about attempting to maintain Americans’ fear of the terrorist….terrorists (according to the bush/cheney definition) can never be viewed as being anything close to real human beings.
April 1st, 2006 at 4:25 pmAm I missing something? When did the remarks made by people kidnapped in Iraq become the measure of one’s status as a victim? Unless I am mistaken, being taken against one’s will and witnessing one’s translator being murdered does constitute a crime and does make one a victim.
If I understand the issue, the fact that Jill Carroll made remarks after her release that can be interpreted as sympathetic to the insurgents has raised the ire of many neo-con supporters of the Iraq war and the policies of the current administration.
If I understand this new victim equation, had Jill Carroll been murdered and her body was subsequently found, she would have been seen as a full-fledged victim. Unfortunately, the fact that she was released and made her statement means she wasn’t actually a real victim, but more likely a collaborating propagandist.
Let’s assume that Jill Carroll was able to negotiate her release by virtue of an ability to express an understanding of the motivations and objectives of her captors…say she convinced them she was sympathetic to their cause. Further, let’s assume she agreed to make the statements she made as part of her negotiated release. Finally, let’s also conclude that upon her release, she had no obligation to make the statement she agreed to make.
Apparently, those criticizing Ms. Carroll ceased all further analysis at this point. Unfortunately, our poisoned partisan environment has seemingly overtaken any obligation to apply additional reasoned and rational thought. That’s unfortunate.
Regardless, I felt compelled to offer another perspective. Three years into a conflict with no certain end in sight has led me to conclude that what we need may not be more of the same. Henry Kissinger used to talk about detente when speaking about the Middle East. Since 9/11 such thinking is characterized as unpatriotic if not outright treason by the neo-cons.
Absolutist banter now permeates both sides of most arguments and issues…especially Iraq and the ‘war on terror’. Ironically, at the same time, most people, if confronted, would acknowledge the likely end result of such discourse…look no further than the Israeli - Palestinian conflict. And yet, when the issue is our own (i.e. - American safety and security), we succumb to the same dogmatic, non-retractable positions. Clearly, history tells us the longer the conflict festers, the more recalcitrant both sides become.
Before making any conclusions it’s important to point out some critical background influences. One, this administration has repeatedly linked 9/11 to Iraq…not by saying Iraq participated in 9/11…but clearly by saying that Iraq is the battlefield upon which the ‘war on terror’ is being waged. Polls confirm the effectiveness of this manipulative mantra. Add the new phraseology of Islamo-Extremists to the equation and you have now further broadened the assault, the scope, and the divide. Now toss in longstanding sectarian conflicts, Kurdish independence, and Shia animosity at years of Sunni dominance and oppression. This seems pretty complicated to me.
Again, we’re over three years into this conflict and some argue we are closer to civil war than to democratic civility. The history of societies has always proven that rule or change by the application of power will eventually fail if it doesn’t include persuasion…that being winning over the hearts and minds of those you seek to rule or change.
So where does that leave us with Jill Carroll’s remarks and the Iraq situation. I don’t know Jill Carroll so I can only offer plausible observations. What I have read is that she is sincere in her concern for Iraq and the outcome of this war. She is respectful of Iraqi cultural and religious influences. She has tried to be a voice of moderation. Nonetheless, she was kidnapped by those who saw her as a target and a tool in their efforts to prevail.
Most importantly, she was apparently able to convince them of her sincerity and her integrity…she changed their hearts and minds to some degree…first to convince them to release here…and second, and more importantly…by completing her promise to make the remarks she made…to convince them that humanity is valuable and can also be trusted. Again, she didn’t have to keep any promise she may have made and I am not to saying that what her captors have possibly done to other victims or intended to do to her wasn’t criminal and heinous. Regardless, she apparently touched some portion of their humanity…found some common ground upon which to agree…and unless we achieve more of this, we will remain sworn and reviled enemies. When absolute ideology is allowed to dehumanize the enemy, resolution can only be achieved through the barrel of a gun.
Lastly, as a non-believer, I am fascinated by the fact that on both sides of this conflict and many other long standing conflicts are individuals with fervent religious beliefs. I don’t know Jill Carroll’s personal religious beliefs, but I’m willing to assert that her actions better typify religious principles than the combatants on all sides of the Iraq conflict. If we can’t find some common humanity, we are destined to lessen all of humanity. As it stands now, there will continue to be many more victims…regardless of how one defines the concept. Wars may allow for humanity to be suspended, but in the end it is only our humanity that can end wars.
April 1st, 2006 at 4:27 pm#21 - Bruce - Thank you for your valuable input. We DON’T know what Jill Carroll was subjected to - but, merciful God, she was released unharmed. You don’t need me to tell “my blogging” buddies” anything - you seem PERFECTLY capable yourself. But while some here applaud Jill’s post-release comments (made during a VERY stressful time) as attempts to “humanizing her abductors”, perhaps TP should consider the not so fortunate end of peace activist Tom Fox. (I wouldn’t consider his torture and murder “humanizing”. I’m sure you agree, Bruce.)
April 1st, 2006 at 4:31 pmIt seems as if the right is more “pro-terrorist†for wanting them to kill Jill Carroll. If PowerLine admits that Carroll suffered “intense emotional distress†before she made her video comments, why are they criticizing them? She was forced to do the video, just like all the other hostages–end of story.
http://www.lcoliberal.blogspot.com
April 1st, 2006 at 4:35 pmMore on the bashing of Jill Carroll: LCL
These reichwing bloggers are justing trying to divert the attention away from the fact that they are nothing more than yellow elephants. They would have denounced the US within the first 5 minutes of being kidnapped and that’s without having automatic weapons aimed at their pointy heads..
April 1st, 2006 at 4:37 pm#32 So, following your logic, you agree than “Democratizing” Iraq by bombing innocent people makes Bush “inhumane”, because he doesn’t cares about Iraq’s people suffering, and he only says good things about the invasion, ignoring the years of murdering?
April 1st, 2006 at 4:39 pm#15 - Cheney’s baby? Still birth?
Great comments and true blue.
April 1st, 2006 at 4:44 pmJill Carroll statement putting all the f***ing worms back in their f***ing holes.
April 1st, 2006 at 4:55 pm“The new pattern, detailed in casualty and migration statistics and in interviews with American commanders and Iraqi officials, has led to further separation of Shiite and Sunni Arabs, moving the country toward a de facto partitioning along sectarian and ethnic lines — an outcome that the Bush administration has doggedly worked to avoid over the past three years.” — NYT, lying its ASS OFF.
Yeah, invading the country, torturing and abducting people in the middle of the night on rumors or less, blowing everything up, failing to repair the water and power illegally blown up in the first place, pogrom on cities, failure to guard muntions, importing known terrorists from S. Africa and Chile — yeah, the Bushies are WORKING HARD to avoid what they are causing.
“There is no more Iraq. There will be three territories.” — H. Kissinger, briefing Saudi clients in early 2004.
When the policy stands clear, IT IS GENOCIDE.
“Article II: In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
Article III: The following acts shall be punishable:
(a) Genocide;
(b) Conspiracy to commit genocide;
(c) Direct and public incitement to commit genocide;
(d) Attempt to commit genocide;
(e) Complicity in genocide.
Article IV: Persons committing genocide or any of the other acts enumerated in article III shall be punished, whether they are constitutionally responsible rulers, public officials or private individuals.”
It is also an abrogation of Article 2 of the UN charter, which is US law. The president does not have the power to abrogate treaties (violation of the express powers of the Senate).
Spit on a NYT paperstand today.
April 1st, 2006 at 4:56 pmMA
Here is the difference between what I am saying, and what those rightwing vermin are saying.
I don’t feel the need to denigrate her. I don’t know whether she is telling the truth or not, but I am willing to suspend judgement pending corroborating evidence such as say, a medical exam or later statements by her.
Further, one does not know what she means by good treatment, as this could be anything from a lack of abuse and unnecessary discomfort, to them giving her Swedish massages in the evenings. One assumes she meant lack of abuse and that they didn’t starve her while they held her captive.
In short it is reasonable to assume that she told the truth as she saw it.
On the other hand she could be lying for any number of valid reasons, which in no way impugn her character, but for now I for one feel it is apropriate to operate under the assumption that she told the truth. What we object to, is this need to insult and denigrate her after her ordeal, simply because she happened to survive and not say nasty things about her captors. That is what disgusts me.
April 1st, 2006 at 4:59 pmM.A.- The point we’re trying to make is this: Jill Carroll like any other journalist in Iraq risk their lives to bring you the stories of the war, regardless whether it’s good or bad. It’s been mostly bad. I do not understand you’re defense of these right-wing hypocrites like Goldberg, Coulter, and Laura Ingraham, I mean Ingrate whose philosophy is; “If a journalist protects himself or herself from being a body bag, they ain’t worth heroes to me.”
Does that mean that the two journalists from ABC, who were nearly killed don’t deserve the respect and concern of the world? I guess that David Bloom wasn’t a hero until he died, except that he died from sitting too long in one of those U.S.
April 1st, 2006 at 5:00 pmtanks. I guess that any journalist or soldier,without body armor, who dies deserve your respect. We’ll then go right ahead, think what you feel, I guess when those soldiers or journalist come back alive, you certainly have the right to spit in their faces and call them traitors for coming back home alive to their families and friends.
Yeah, my girl you earned it. Just think of the soldiers who won’t get those benefits then because King George, who never served a day in his life, decided that his needs were more important than theirs.
To Think Progress:
Thoughtful, measured, reasonable post. Thank you. It is such perspectives that make it unlikely that you will ever be understood by the right.
April 1st, 2006 at 5:01 pmwell, the thing the radical extremist neoconservatives do not like about what jill caroll said is that
IT IS ALL TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the neocoservative extremists are the true terrorists in this country.
and, they cannot stand any, and i mean ANY light shined on their LIES, DISTORTIONS and METHODS.
oh, and as always,F### bush
April 1st, 2006 at 5:04 pm37: There we go then. Sounds reasonable enough.
April 1st, 2006 at 5:04 pmCarroll was coerced to make her statements, making Jonah Goldberg’s observation that something didn’t seem right correct.
Judd, on the other hand, is not being coerced. His attempts to minimize the threat from our terrorist enemies in Iraq are entirely of his own free will.
April 1st, 2006 at 5:10 pm#28 - “Sounds like you’re volunteering your 4 bratsfor a war with other Anericans.”
“Comment” by unbeliever
****I can just imagine you at parent/teacher conferences. “Ms. Smith, your brat keeps asking questions during my biology lectures…” or “Mr. Jones, your brat isn’t working up to grade level…” The only war I’m preparing my darling little Repubs for is the barrage of anti-Americanism that seeps from progs. Call it a “battle of ideas”. The only DFS cases I know of are nightly portrayed on our loCAL news - the neglected kids of “mis-understood” tweakers or poor, misguided gangbangers.
April 1st, 2006 at 5:13 pmNow that Carroll has released a statement saying she doesn’t agree with her captors, how will the conservatives backtrack on all the hateful, vile things they’ve said about her over the past couple days?
April 1st, 2006 at 5:15 pm#37: It does, doesn’t it.
#43: What a load. Goldstein et al. did not make “observations that something didn’t seem quite right.” What a slimeball cowardly and totally-expectable thing for you to say. I’m sure the others will follow suit.
They accused her of wrongdoing. Read their words. You can not step out fo your own slime on this, no matter how much you’d like to. We won’t let you. and we won’t forget.
You are pathetic.
April 1st, 2006 at 5:21 pm46
If they had any moral backbone they would apologise. As it stands they will probably just pretend they never said any of that. Its kind of the sort of thing one grows numb to after a while.
April 1st, 2006 at 5:22 pmIt is sad to actually find out that there are people out there who will gleefully attack anyone anything just because people who don’t believe the same things as them defend it. Liberals defend Carroll, so those on the Right have to attack it - even if it doesn’t makes ense to do so.
April 1st, 2006 at 5:25 pm#43: Sorry!!!!!!
that should have been to #44.
Hey #44, read my comment up there to #43. It’s for you.
# 46: They’ll do what the coward #44 just tried to do. “See, we told you it didn’t seem right!” And pretend they didn’t slur her personally.
Cowards every one.
April 1st, 2006 at 5:26 pm“Mighty” Aphrodite,
I guess it’s good for us that you DON’T get to decide who is a good American and who is “anti-American.”
You go ahead and make sure you protect your little darlings from the truth. They’ll be a lot happier in life if they don’t know how truly bankrupt the GOP is and how disastrous Bush has been for our nation. You keep your kids ignorant and blind to the reality that Bush and all his enablers are feckless turds needing to be flushed down the toilet before they cause irreparable damage to this country.
April 1st, 2006 at 5:27 pmWatch him try to bury his shit: http://corner.nationalreview.com/ 06_03_26_corner-archive.asp#093984
Me: In all sincereity: good for her. I take Carroll at her word and hope nothing but the best for her. I’m sure it was a terrible ordeal and I think, barring some major revelation, this should put an end to the criticism of her. Leave her be. I’m sorry for suggesting that she might have believed what she said. I hope there will be some apologies coming from those who did believe what she said.
Leave her be? You f***. Are you talking to yourself?
April 1st, 2006 at 5:29 pm#35- EvilOldSpaniard - So by your “logic” - you are an idiot. If possible, please name one war you agree with and how many innocents were accidentally killed in that war. Video games and arguments with your mom don’t count.
#40 - JIMBOB - lay off the bong or the Prozac. I don’t criticze Jill Carroll one IOTA for her statement(s) immediately after her release. I said on another thread my initial reaction to describing her good treatment was to inform her parents that she was unharmed. Why does TP Judd criticize Jonah Goldberg for saying he is in a position to think more clearly as he has NOT been in captivity for 82 days? JIMBOB, you and I rarely agree on anything, but I think you would correct in saying that you were able to think more coherently than me if I had just been released from 82 terrifying days. TP’s mission in life is to introduce partisan topics - and on a “non-partisan” site that can be seen as alot of tripe. Now if Jill Carroll comes out like a moonbat in my local paper today and writes that “Saddam should be returned to power” - (I kid you not!) then I will criticize her ideas strenuously! I haven’t heard what Laura Ingraham has said and won’t comment. Have you always been such a rabid reactionary????
April 1st, 2006 at 5:30 pmNo one slurred her. Get a grip.
April 1st, 2006 at 5:32 pm****I can just imagine you at parent/teacher conferences. “Ms. Smith, your brat keeps asking questions during my biology lectures…†or “Mr. Jones, your brat isn’t working up to grade level…â€
Comment by mighty aphrodite — April 1, 2006 @ 5:13 pm
As usual, you don’t know what you’re talking about. You’re such an idiot - I don’t teach Biology.
April 1st, 2006 at 5:32 pmP.S JIMBOB - “Does that mean that the two journalists from ABC, who were nearly killed don’t deserve the respect and concern of the world?” Are you in the habit of asking the MOST stupid questions????? They deserve our utmost respect - they are no longer in a position to worry about our “concern”.
April 1st, 2006 at 5:33 pmAnd before the apology he did exactly what I said he’d do:
Who took her words at face value? I didn’t see anybody on teh Left say anything but “God I’m glad she’s safe!”
“Didn’t scan.” What a coward.
April 1st, 2006 at 5:34 pm#54
April 1st, 2006 at 5:34 pmNo one slurred who?
# 54: You’re a coward a liar. Here’s Goldberg:
I accuse you of willfully ignoring the facts and thereby being a liar.
April 1st, 2006 at 5:39 pmPro-Democracy
http://www.brothersjudd.com/ blog/ archives/ 2006/ 03/ did_she_have_a.html
You were saying?
Or how about Imus?
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/30/imus-carroll/ (Just download the mov. file.)
Would you like me to go on?
April 1st, 2006 at 5:40 pmPerhaps “Pro-Democracy” only watches Fox News.
April 1st, 2006 at 5:41 pmIf she had done an Lindy England they would give her a purple heart ,book deal with regency publisher but … she did what she was ordered to do by her captors ,she did very much the same thing that Jews did in WW2 on Nazi Radio,Stage,Movies and Print.
We can’t fall into the their”2. Everyone agrees that terrorists and kidnappers are bad people’ this is their game and since 2000 we have taken their bait and apolized for where we stand.
Think Progress has done the right thing by supporting a Journalist during this war. The right wingers are the ones that are going to lose when mS Carroll does her first interview with the paper that she works for and then TV interviews by then The Right Wingers will be covered with MUD and its their own Mud at that.
April 1st, 2006 at 5:43 pmDear L-I-T-E-R-A-L unbeliever - I don’t care if you teach basket weaving - my point is the way you might address parents. (I thought one purpose of higher education was to expand horizons and spark one’s imagination - it didn’t work in your case.
April 1st, 2006 at 5:47 pmSaddam was a CIA op as Well as Osama.
How So do poor people finance these guys?
Clue. They Can’t.
Secondly they were Both CIA trained Puppets.
Big Corporations and Government Appease and Arm terrorists.
Hey Powerline how much do you think the Terrorists were able to purchase with that 8 Billion Paul Bremer [Cough Cough] Lost? What About Reagan Financing and Arming those ‘freedom fighters’ just as Dubya Has done.
April 1st, 2006 at 5:48 pmThose weren’t slurs.
This “Thorn” is clearly in need of some sort of counseling. Get a grip.
April 1st, 2006 at 5:49 pmy point is the way you might address parents. (I thought one purpose of higher education was to expand horizons and spark one’s imagination - it didn’t work in your case.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — April 1, 2006 @ 5:47 pm
i guess you missed that court case where Teachers don’t have freedom of speech. How can you expand horizons if you must teach only the mistakes of the Past?
April 1st, 2006 at 5:50 pmIf only they would support America occasionally.
April 1st, 2006 at 5:51 pm# “Think Progress has done the right thing by supporting a Journalist during this war. “
If only they would support America occasionally.
Comment by Pro-Democracy — April 1, 2006 @ 5:51 pm
Your Not supporting America with that Idiotic TRIPE, your supporting Halliburton and the “Neo-Liberal” Privatized Nation of America. You are Actually supporting the “Liberals” that you so claim to hate..Boy have they GOT YOU SNOOKERED!!
April 1st, 2006 at 5:55 pmActually Pro, that is precisely what Thom’s quote comes out to.
That specific rhetorical question is basically accusing her of lacking a moral compass and not being in her right mind. I would call calling someone a immoral loony a slur wouldn’t you? Further, it is rather a scuzzy guilt trip, it is like telling plane crash survivors that they shouldn’t be happy that they survived because other people didn’t.
April 1st, 2006 at 5:56 pmIRI MaD and Pro-Democracy are too DAMM stoopid to realize that NEO_CONS are NEO-LIBERAL FEUDALISTS
April 1st, 2006 at 5:57 pmIf you work it down, Jill Carrolls primary flaws are several (as will eventually come out if the wingers are given enough rope):
1) She bears the blame for being captured.
2) She bears the blame for being a woman in a male-only warzone.
3) She bears the blame for being honest. Recall the famous Jessica Lynch episode, when SHE was to blame for telling the truth about the doctor’s good treatment of her. All Iraqis MUST be shown to be animals deserving of extinction.
4) She bears the blame for surviving, since decapitation would serve the Bush propaganda machine. Her survival is a DEFEAT for the wingers who wish to profit from her decapitation, as they have used the four Blackwater® mercs’ violent deaths in Fallujah to justify destroying 70% of the buildings in that city.
When will women learn that they are the soldiers, and the men are the generals? Their job is to DIE PRETTY, and that’s all. Anything else TAKES AWAY THE JOBS THAT AMERICAN MEN NEED.
Yep. that’s right — Jill Carrol is MEXICAN. She was mucking about in a (Tillman) man’s war, and was released by her captors without needing “rescue” (Lynch). And so she has taken away the propaganda value she had.
Hopefully, she was anally raped (Kaloogian). That’s her only redemption route at this point. Does she have any CDs to burn?
April 1st, 2006 at 5:59 pm70
No, they just realise there is nothing liberal about their idealogy. Liberal idealogy is based on the concept of liberty (hence, liberal) what the neo-cons are aiming at is just a wee bit away from that concept.
April 1st, 2006 at 6:00 pmIsnt JEb Bush’s wife a Mexican?
April 1st, 2006 at 6:04 pmYa know that one whom didn’t want to pay for the stuff she brought into the country?
The Mother of that Dope Head Half Breed Crack Head- Noelle Bush?
Say She sounds like the perfect Woman For Rush Limbaugh
Jonah didn’t call her a immoral loony. You’re either illiterate or you’re a liar. probably both.
Saying someone might not be entirely in their right mind after being a hostage for 3 months is not a slur. It’s a reasonable expectation.
April 1st, 2006 at 6:06 pmJill Carroll’s statement (courtesy of the Christian Science Monitor: “I’m so happy to be free and am looking forward to spending a lot of time with my family. I want to express my deep appreciation to all the people who worked so long and hard for my release. I am humbled by the sympathy and support expressed by so many people during my kidnapping.
“In the past few days, the US military and officials have been extremely generous, and I am grateful for their help. Throughout this ordeal, many US agencies have committed themselves to bringing me safely home.
“My colleagues at The Christian Science Monitor have worked ceaselessly to secure my release, and worked with security consultants to do so. Many other news organizations, both inside and outside of Iraq, as well as many officials from Iraq and other countries, worked hard to bring about my freedom.
“So many people around the world spoke out on my behalf.
“Thank you, all of you.
“During my last night in captivity, my captors forced me to participate in a propaganda video. They told me they would let me go if I cooperated. I was living in a threatening environment, under their control, and wanted to go home alive. I agreed.
“Things that I was forced to say while captive are now being taken by some as an accurate reflection of my personal views. They are not. The people who kidnapped me and murdered Alan Enwiya are criminals, at best. They robbed Alan of his life and devastated his family. They put me, my family and my friends–and all those around the world, who have prayed so fervently for my release–through a horrific experience. I was, and remain, deeply angry with the people who did this.
“I also gave a TV interview to the Iraqi Islamic Party shortly after my release. The party had promised me the interview would never be aired on television, and broke their word. At any rate, fearing retribution from my captors, I did not speak freely. Out of fear I said I wasn’t threatened. In fact, I was threatened many times.
“Also, at least two false statements about me have been widely aired: That I refused to travel and cooperate with the US military and that I refused to discuss my captivity with US officials. Again, neither is true.
“I want to be judged as a journalist, not as a hostage. I remain as committed as ever to fairness and accuracy–to discovering the truth–and so I will not engage in polemics. But let me be clear: I abhor all who kidnap and murder civilians, and my captors are clearly guilty of both crimes.
“Now, I ask for the time to heal. This has been a taxing 12 weeks for me and my family. Please allow us some quiet time alone, together.”
April 1st, 2006 at 6:07 pmDear L-I-T-E-R-A-L unbeliever - I don’t care if you teach basket weaving - my point is the way you might address parents. (I thought one purpose of higher education was to expand horizons and spark one’s imagination - it didn’t work in your case.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — April 1, 2006 @ 5:47 pm
You also missed my joke… and you claim we have no sense of humor. That’s because we’re more sophisticated with our puns. You’re just crude. As usual.
I don’t think all children are brats or I wouldn’t have made the career change to education. I’m just certain that yours are. And since you aren’t a parent of anyof thestudents in my class, I can tell you so.
Besides, by hig hschool, you should start cutting the chord and letting your kids learn to negotionate their own issues instead of running to the principal because I marked the answer ‘god’ wrong to the question of ‘How did teh solar system form’.
April 1st, 2006 at 6:10 pm#9 SeriusA - “Why do these conservative pundits hate women so much? Would they treat a man so dismissively, so perversely?…”
reading some back issues of Time this morning, came across this, in the “verbatim” page:
“I have no animosity toward them at all. I’ve seen their little villages. They’re dirt poor, poor as field mice.” -Macon Hawkins, Texan oil worker in Nigeria, on his militant captors following his relase on †his 69th birthday after being held hostage with eight colleagues for nearly two weeks
…here is an article about his story…
no, it’s not iraq…but the parallels are there…i don’t know much about his story - it did strike me that his comments about his captors went unheralded and, maybe, unvilified…
it’s incomprehensable to me how those people sould criticize jill carroll so soon after her release, before any relavent information came out… “judge not…”
April 1st, 2006 at 6:12 pmJudd, if you are reading this:
You should probably run an article on Jill Carroll’s retraction of her earlier statements at some point.
Goodnight all.
April 1st, 2006 at 6:12 pmMy near vision is perfect, but the text in the window of the comment box is less than 6 pt. My typing is bad enouugh on its own without the microscopic text. Any one know how to make it bigger?
April 1st, 2006 at 6:13 pmHaving read several comments from “unbelievable”, I wouldn’t let him/her anywhere near my children.
April 1st, 2006 at 6:14 pm#29- Dear Shannon - You ask two important questions: “What do you hope to gain by your posts? Do you really think you will change anyone’s mind here about how Jill’s release is being portrayed by the right wing blogs?”
****As I have said (repeatedly!) on this blog - the few conservatives who visit here perform a highly valuable public service. WE keep this place from becoming so tedious and monotonous (translation: “boring”) Without us, here is a sample of a typical TP exchange:
unbeliever: “I am so overworked and unappreciated due to the evil capitalistic policies of greedy, God- loving Republicans.”
evil-minded Spainard: “Don’t worry, unbeliever, the red tide coming from Cuba and South America will sweep away the injustices of Republicanism…”
TurtleTerry: “My shell protects me from deadly RepubRays….”
Sharon: “George Dumbya, that spoilt spoon fed frat boy is the worst Prezident I’ve seen in my entire lifetime. I sure do appreciate every bit of “social justice” progressives fight for. Repubs pay for the poor and Democrats are grateful for the poor….Blessings.”
unbeliever: “Thanks Sharon - but no thanks!!”
So Shannon, I know I will never change a closed mind…but we do our part to keep this site a bit more interesting.
April 1st, 2006 at 6:14 pmsome people give themselves WAY too much credit…
April 1st, 2006 at 6:20 pm#53 So by your “logic†- you are an idiot. If possible, please name one war you agree with and how many innocents were accidentally killed in that war. Video games and arguments with your mom don’t count. - MidgetHag
Too easy. I agree with no war. Hence, I don’t agree with your GOPers, or you, because they started a preemptive war, and you personally are one of the morons who support them.
You’re a moron and you will NEVER win me on a logic fight. Brains are needed to start one.
April 1st, 2006 at 6:20 pm#70 - “Liberal idealogy is based on the concept of liberty (hence, liberal)”
- Comment by Bruce G.
****Liberal ideology WAS based on liberty - now it’s based on “political correctness” and a deep seated “anti-American” “anti-capitalist” furor…
April 1st, 2006 at 6:24 pmPowerline : “them dam liburals”Q. Why do conservatives have America? A. They hate us because of our freedoms.
April 1st, 2006 at 6:29 pmEvil Spainard - So you are content to let OTHER people defend your freedoms???? I thought so…do you have your white hankie ready “just in case”??? What was Spain’s position in World War II??
I hope I never “win you on a logic fight” - I’d have to give you back - and your mother (God bless her!) would have to give you your old room back.
April 1st, 2006 at 6:32 pmCorrection to #85. Q. Should read Why do conservatives hate America?
April 1st, 2006 at 6:33 pmfound something for pro-undemcracy/Ned/wallace/et al:
Finally, the STREET FIGHTING SECRETS of your favorite Republicans revealed!!!
April 1st, 2006 at 6:35 pm“They won’t dare call you “Mr. Limpy” ever again!”
You don’t think she was slurred? How quickly you’ve revised your history. Here’s a compilation of some of them:
Caroll Bashing
April 1st, 2006 at 6:40 pmHaving read several comments from “unbelievableâ€, I wouldn’t let him/her anywhere near my children.
Comment by Pro-Democracy — April 1, 2006 @ 6:14 pm
Having read several comments from you - THANK YOU! I wish every parent of every whiny brat would do the same. Then my classes would be more lecture and less baby sitting becuase you people think I’m supposed to do your job in raising your child.
April 1st, 2006 at 6:41 pmSo Shannon, I know I will never change a closed mind…but we do our part to keep this site a bit more interesting.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — April 1, 2006 @ 6:14 pm
some people give themselves WAY too much credit…
Comment by katy — April 1, 2006 @ 6:20 pm
I second that katy!
April 1st, 2006 at 6:44 pm#48 - Bruce G,
April 1st, 2006 at 6:46 pmNeocons have neither morals nor a backbone. Cowardly hypocrites is the best description of the whole lot.
#86 We had no position. The fascist General Franco coup ended the government of the Democratic Republic of Spain after the Spanish Civil War. He pacted with Hitler and Mussolini, and went unscathed through the end of the WWII, because NO ALLIED ARMY came here to “free” us from Franco. June 6th signifies nothing to us. People was executed until 1973, 2 years before Franco died IN A BED.
Some freedom fighters (maquis) were fighting Franco until the ’50s, when they were decimated. Many died in german concentration camps before the end of the WWII. Altough no “History Channel” documentary talks about them.
The Marshal plan never included Spain because “our” ruler was a fascist one. Your country only came when you needed some military bases to “fight against the communism”, in the mid of the ’50s. Only then, your government extorted Franco to have him give permission to make a couple bases with no end term. Your country own these bases until today. So talk about benefits of appeasing terrorists and fascists.
So, nobody fought our war. And your country, less than anyone. Answered your question?
Oh, and happy April’s MightyAphrodite Day.
April 1st, 2006 at 6:48 pmIf you consider bringing down the IQ level interesting.
April 1st, 2006 at 6:48 pmPowerline is a fascist putz who can honk Bobo’s nose. Tell him to go bother someone who gives a dead rat’s ass.
April 1st, 2006 at 6:48 pmDS, linking to a list of non-slurs demonstrates my point, thank you.
April 1st, 2006 at 6:49 pmOh, and happy April’s MightyAphrodite Day.
Comment by Evil Spaniard — April 1, 2006 @ 6:48 pm
Now that’s humorous…
April 1st, 2006 at 6:53 pmfrom the comments at crooksandliars, jill carroll’s statement:
Jill may have a record in the making here; she has gone from prisoner to terrorist sympathizer to lezbian left wing liberal lover all on the space of two days…-dawg
April 1st, 2006 at 6:59 pm#97 Yes, MightyAphrodite ALWAYS is a joke ;)
April 1st, 2006 at 6:59 pmSheesh. So much to say about so little. This solipsistic, self-indulgent “controversy” exists only in what’s left of your minds.
April 1st, 2006 at 7:01 pm#93 - Evil Spaniard ,
April 1st, 2006 at 7:05 pmFranco escaped the wrath of the Allies because he was smart enough not to declare war on them. I do recognize that Spain suffered under his rule, but until Bush 43, this nation observed International law and the Constitution.
The Right wings should keep their big mouths closed. They don’t know what they are talking about. Jill Carroll was kidnapped for 3 months. Why would anyone want to cut her down? What do expect from the Repubs. Why do they hate America?
April 1st, 2006 at 7:17 pmAnybody who thinks Jill Caroll or the people that support her are terrorist sympathizers. Now that she is safely away from Iraq and in Ramstein Germany, she is able to speak freely and she ain’t sending love letters to her captors.
Christian Science Monitor
April 1, 2006
Jill Carroll Statement
Nope, no Stolkholm Syndrome here. Just a regular person, who was put in an irregular situation and is now being smeared by the right.
Way to go righties.
April 1st, 2006 at 7:18 pmAnother good snippet from Jill Caroll’s statement from Ramstein:
April 1st, 2006 at 7:21 pmWhats that about not being threatend?
“I also gave a TV interview to the Iraqi Islamic Party shortly after my release. The party had promised me the interview would never be aired on television, and broke their word. At any rate, fearing retribution from my captors, I did not speak freely. Out of fear I said I wasn’t threatened. In fact, I was threatened many times.”
April 1st, 2006 at 7:23 pmThose are the people the Democrats want to retreat from.
April 1st, 2006 at 7:24 pmI wonder what the presumed 2008 Republican Presidential nominee McCain would have to say to Dr. Pantlaod on the subject of coerced confessions.?
April 1st, 2006 at 7:26 pmIn the efforts to open up further dialogue between parties who have differing opinions on the big political issues of our times, I’ve been reading various liberal blogs to see not only what the pundits and talking heads in the media have to say on the issues, but what normal hard-working Americans have to say on the topics as well.
The most contentious of issues, of course, is the war in Iraq – and it doesn’t take a genius to see that Iraq is a country with a real chance of developing a peaceful and stable democracy if given the proper support by the United States and coalition forces. While it has been a difficult road, we must not run in the face of danger and must not shirk our commitment. We need to see it through and stay in Iraq as long as it takes for a stable government to flourish.
We also do not want to dishonor the memory of those who have died during this process of democratization – we don’t want to leave the job half-done and have the deaths of those people be in vain. And that brings me to the most central point: progress is being made. While you often hear about attacks on coalition or civilian forces, what you don’t hear that much about is the actual progress being made in Iraq. Every day there is progress. Schools open, small businesses are being started, and the Iraqi National Guard is getting stronger and more able to handle the demands placed on it.
If we abandoned Iraq now, we would be leaving it open for another authoritarian regime to move in, and leave the citizens of Iraq to a similar fate they suffered under Saddam if not worse, and it would make all the blood, sweat and tears we’ve spent in the conflict be for nothing.
The war was a war of necessity, and once the sectarian conflict resolves itself, Iraq will be a pro-Western beacon in the Middle East, a beacon that will extend Western influence, as well democracy, into the region, be a buffer against terrorism, and give the people who lived under the yoke of Saddam for years a better, brighter future.
April 1st, 2006 at 7:26 pm#101 I know, but it boils my blood when one of those repugs come with the “we saved your sorry asses” phrase, because nobody did. And btw, I doubt Franco’s government was legal under international wars. But yes, when Hitler came to Hendaya to interview with Franco, Franco diplomatically refused immediate help to Hitler.
Hitler and Franco at Hendaya
April 1st, 2006 at 7:27 pmFor the life of me I don’t understand why the righties chose to pick on this poor girl and make her the figurehead of all that is, in their minds, wrong with “progressives”.
How do you make someone who just got out of 82 days captivity, and make ‘em a villan? This is gonna score them points?
No, really I think it’s endemic of something similar but very different. Conservatives seem to have to continually shout to the world how much more superior they are than anyone not up there with them. They like to fight others. Older than but not too far removed from schoolyard bullies.
If your not like me, you ain’t nothin’ in theri minds. Some of them even say out loud that no one but them should be able to vote/run things. The others just think it.
I don’t like ‘em & their closed, petty & vengeful minds. But I’m willin’ to let ‘em be. Just cause I think they’re stupid doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be able to be there. Thats a big difference between us and them.
Educate, enlighten, discuss it. That’s their Achilles Heel.
April 1st, 2006 at 7:32 pm#109 The war was a war of necessity
Necessity of who? Bush?
and once the sectarian conflict resolves itself
Uhm… sectarian violence in the Persian Peninsula hasn’t stopped since 2 thousands years ago, at least.
Iraq will be a pro-Western beacon in the Middle East, a beacon that will extend Western influence, as well democracy, into the region, be a buffer against terrorism, and give the people who lived under the yoke of Saddam for years a better, brighter future.
I have no words. You live in a world of delusion, at best.
April 1st, 2006 at 7:33 pmColgate,
As a source for what normal hard-working Americans have to say about anything, Think Progress is definitely not the place. If you’re looking for what the Bush-hating, pro-defeat, moonbat left thinks, you’ve hit the motherlode.
April 1st, 2006 at 7:33 pm#109
April 1st, 2006 at 7:35 pmWhile there is a lot in your post that I disagree with, The war was a war of necessity stands out above all else. After all the facts about the invasion of Iraq have come out, are you dilusional? Please provide us with the facts behind your statement.
#113 So all the normal hardworking americans are as you, Pro-Democracy (?) and Colgate?
April 1st, 2006 at 7:37 pmSorry for the spelling - delusional.
April 1st, 2006 at 7:38 pm“…it doesn’t take a genius to see that Iraq is a country with a real chance of developing a peaceful and stable democracy…”
but a delusional fool can think about that idea all the live long day…la de da…
sorry, don’t mean to offend, but that was just too obvious…
April 1st, 2006 at 7:51 pm#110 Oops, when I tipped “international wars”, I meant “international laws”, really.
April 1st, 2006 at 7:55 pmWrong!
We wanted to not go to this war. But since it was decided to go to this elective war long before 9/11, the Bush cabal should have sent enough troops to finish the job, but since none of them have any military experience, they sent way too few troops.
Did you know that during the Gulf War when Dick Cheney was Secretary of Defense and said we didn’t have enough coalition troops to occupy Bahgdad, there were 660,000 coailition troops. 540,000 were Americans. We only have 138,00 Americans there, with a total of around 27,000 non American troops, bringing the total to 165,000.
How are you going to do with 165,000 troops what you could not do with 660,000 troops?
Do a little research and you might find out why we feel the way we do, but instead you post stupid bullshit.
Here is the quote from Dick Cheney in 1992:
So, with 660,00 troops, Dick Cheney didn’t think the loss of life was worth going after Saddam Hussien, but with 165,000, Bush and frined think they can pull it off.
Give me a fucking break.
April 1st, 2006 at 7:55 pmThe question isn’t why republicans hate America so much it’s why republicans are so frightened of the concept of liberty and justice for all. That these are the founding principals of this great country is coincidental.
April 1st, 2006 at 8:02 pm#109 Colgate;go brush your teeth you dipshit.This war will never work out for us;its being shoved right back up BushCo’s ass where it belongs.Spudge_Boy,youre insightful as usual.
April 1st, 2006 at 8:07 pmWhat Carrol has said now that shes not a captive:
April 1st, 2006 at 8:10 pmhttp://www.cnn.com/ 2006/ WORLD/ meast/ 04/ 01/ carroll.video/ index.html
Mighty Aphrodite,
April 1st, 2006 at 8:11 pmYou don’t get to define what “liberalism” is all about. We liberals get to define it. And I’m going to begin by stating that liberalism is an ideology that supports your right to spew the kind of ignorant, vile nonsense that you post on this board. The second part of the liberal ideology is that we also get to point out your stupidity and laugh at your apparent blindness of the terrible reality that is Bush and the GOP.
Oh, please. Be honest for once. Think Communist would light the fuse on a bomb that would take out Berkeley if they could figure a way to make George look bad and Bill and Hillary look good. It doesn’t matter that rumors abound about the upcoming nuptials between Jill and Achmed Moohamet Jones, a black bass player from New Jersey turned Muslim who she met during an International ANSWER rally in the Gardens just prior to assignment to Iraq.
Jill is the ideal Left Wing undercover shill for the terrorists. She not ugly like Cindy Sheehan and not dead like Rachael Corey and she has that “Christian” thing going for her, as in “The Christian Science Monitor”. BTW…do any of you losers KNOW what Christian Science” is all about? AND….why are they monitoring YOU????
Let’s face it, as long as long as that broad doesn’t eat pork or shack up with a Republican as far as the Looney Left is concerned she can do no wrong. Go ahead, tell me I’m wrong.
April 1st, 2006 at 8:15 pmThe question isn’t why republicans hate America so much it’s why republicans are so frightened of the concept of liberty and justice for all. That these are the founding principals of this great country is coincidental.
Comment by SiriusA — April 1, 2006 @ 8:02 pm
I think it’s mostly becauise they believe that there is one right way to live - their way. And that those who do anything otherwise are criminals who need to be constrained by laws, regulations, patronization, and violence. It’s a very burdened and pathetic existence to be your brother’s keeper over 280 million other people…
April 1st, 2006 at 8:15 pmsad~
i am presently in iraq and have been so for a while.
came to this site from a productive and informative website thinking it would similar.
it sucks that people spend more time insulting one-another and using their wit to put down others.
that energy could be spent trying to keep shit like what is going on over here from happening.
both parties are at fault for many of the things going on.
seems to me awfully simplistic to relentlessly attack a person.
harder, i guess to present critical thought and offer reasonable solutions. but what the hell, it’s a free country…..
see ya
April 1st, 2006 at 8:17 pm#109 Colgate:
The hardest thing about starting an SSRI-based pharma therapy is working to determine a dosage level that permits you to perform routine chores and on-the-job functions at pre-therapy levels, while avoiding the emotional swings, cognitive dysfunctions and dangerous flights of episodic euphoria that can accompany the unusually high availability of serotonin to neural receptors.
You may, for example, find that you are quite capable of performing normal tasks such as typing at a keyboard, while irrationally believing that the war in Iraq is going well. In some instances, however, you may not be the best judge of just how far-fetched and indefensible your view of the world may be. Ask a friend or family member to help you monitor dosage, and sit with you while you watch the news.
If delusions persist, SEE YOUR DOCTOR!
April 1st, 2006 at 8:19 pmSniff…sniff….sniff…
Ah, now I know what that reek is- I-RIGHT-I has infested this discussion.
You talk a lot of shit- but I guess that’s what you neo-cons are best at- because you sure as shit don’t actually go and fight in Der Fuhrer’s war in Iraq.
April 1st, 2006 at 8:20 pm#76 - We agree on one thing - kids should lear to fight their own battles - or “negotiate” - if your prefer. But at our kids schools, soccer and baseball fields, the WHINEY parents seem to be the progs. “It’s just not fair the way Ms. Smith evaluated darling Throckmorton’s project……”
#120 - Thank you, Shannon.
April 1st, 2006 at 8:21 pmI think it’s mostly becauise they believe that there is one right way to live - their way. And that those who do anything otherwise are criminals who need to be constrained by laws, regulations, patronization, and violence. It’s a very burdened and pathetic existence to be your brother’s keeper over 280 million other people…
Comment by unbelievable
Nonsense. The Left invented political correctness, hate crimes and homophobia. ‘Nough said?
April 1st, 2006 at 8:25 pmGo ahead, tell me I’m wrong.
Comment by I-RIGhT-I — April 1, 2006 @ 8:15 pm
Why? It hasn’t mattered any of the other 12,345,678 times we’ve told you.
What happened to your h?
April 1st, 2006 at 8:25 pm#129 R.D.L. Sounds like a good diagnosis for that bone head.
April 1st, 2006 at 8:26 pmEveryone knows the real whiners are the GOP. They control the White House, Senate, House, Supreme Court, most state governors and still they blame Dems/liberals/progressives for all the GOP failures. The GOP had better start supporting abortion, because just about every initiative they undertake turns into one! F@cking losers.
April 1st, 2006 at 8:28 pmThe right wants to control how you feel, think, talk, and do, from their very comfortable positions. They know how to tell everyone else how to live their lives, but they don’t give a hand to help actually make things better.
It is really a sickness the right has, exploiting people, attacking, calling them names, judging them when they have no idea what the person went through. So smug they judge others. Look how they used Pat Tillman and Jessica Lynch, and Cindy. Anything to hear themselve speak. If you pray, pray for them to come to their senses. They are to be pitied for their pathetic character towards other human-beings that have just gone through the worse experience of their lives. What next, are they going to do a jig on Cindy Sheehan son’s grave. Just like those baptists from Kansas yelling inhumane filth at soldiers’ funerals.
I guess maybe we should ask Senator McCain, what it is like to be held captive, or maybe we could actually wait until Carroll gets home, is safe, and can be professionally taken care of.
We should remember when Carroll made those statements she was not at the American Embassy, so she was not safe.
April 1st, 2006 at 8:28 pmNotice to te administrators:
Even on my Cray and Dept. of Defense/VRWC Central access lines your shit is slow which means your blog-fu sucks. It’s been that way since the first of the week. Somebody turn off the porno and degrag the server. Thank you.
April 1st, 2006 at 8:30 pmRyan,
April 1st, 2006 at 8:33 pmYou have that right. Those pricks seem to relish the “persecution complex.” Hell, they figured McCarthy almost got away with it during the Red Scare so why not try it again for shits and grins. Bunch of cobags.
In case you haven’t read Jill Carroll’s statement today:
In her statement, Carroll thanked everyone who worked for her release, but devoted a significant portion of the statement to defending herself against criticism regarding the video, in which she said the insurgents were “very smart” and had treated her well.
“During my last night in captivity, my captors forced me to participate in a propaganda video,” she wrote. “They told me they would let me go if I cooperated. I was living in a threatening environment, under their control, and wanted to go home alive. I agreed.
“Things that I was forced to say while captive are now being taken by some as an accurate reflection of my personal views. They are not.”
She even lambasted her captors, who allegedly killed her interpreter, Alan Enwiya, when they abducted her in western Baghdad in January.
“They robbed Alan of his life and devastated his family. They put me, my family and my friends — and all those around the world, who have prayed so fervently for my release — through a horrific experience,” she wrote. “I was, and remain, deeply angry with the people who did this.”
Saying she wants to be regarded as a journalist, and not a hostage, Carroll said she would not engage in polemics against her kidnappers, “but let me be clear: I abhor all who kidnap and murder civilians, and my captors are clearly guilty of both crimes.”
And by the way, can SOMEone please remove #107?
April 1st, 2006 at 8:33 pmWhat happened to your h?
Comment by unbelievable
I ave no idea wHat you’re talking about.
April 1st, 2006 at 8:34 pmNonsense. The Left invented political correctness, hate crimes and homophobia. ‘Nough said?
Comment by I-RIGhT-I — April 1, 2006 @ 8:25 pm
“Nough said? Since when has that ever stopped you?
But, like Ryan said, your side created the hate crimes. I mean, what part of peace, love and understanding is hateful?
And how can you call us homophobic after calling us homo-sympathizers? Pick one and stick with it. And since most of us have friends who are gay, while you have zero, I’m gonna guess you should go with calling us NOT homophobic. But, I know how much lunacy is a part of your charm, so well… knock yourself out with the contradictions.
April 1st, 2006 at 8:34 pmAnd how can you call us homophobic after calling us homo-sympathizers?
Comment by unbelievable
Sorry, I should have made it clear that the word itslef is your invention. There is no such thing as homophobia just as there is no such thing as a gay homosexual.
April 1st, 2006 at 8:36 pmThey’re always whining about someone who hates them, someone who disagrees with them, someone who’s ‘taxing’ them, someone who’s correcting them. But the recent Berkeley study showed that whiney children grow up to be CONservatives - so it all makes sense.
Comment by Ryan Neat — April 1, 2006 @ 8:30 pm
Living in a red state, I couldn’t agree more. The more conservative the parents, the bigger the whiners the kids.
And have you noticed how they criticize everyone else for not living up to their ideals, when neither are they. The controversial student-teacher sex scandal in my town was at the Christian Academy. Where they have about 120 students versus about 8,000 in the public system.
April 1st, 2006 at 8:40 pmI ave no idea wHat you’re talking about.
Comment by I-RIGhT-I — April 1, 2006 @ 8:34 pm
As usual… ;)
Could you fix it? It looks retarded.
April 1st, 2006 at 8:42 pmToday is April Fools Day and the Bush lovers are making fools of themselves on TP by posting their silly crap supporting Dubya the biggest fool of all time! The Bushites attack anybody who does not conform to their way of fascist thinking, so they denigrate Carrol for not calling her captives towelheads and such! The Bush butt kissers are also demanding that Rep. Cynthia McKinny of Georgia be prosecuted for slapping a DC security guard who grabbed her arm and accosted her! They want her nailed to the wall to avenge the take down of criminal Tom DeLay!
April 1st, 2006 at 8:44 pm