U.S. officials predict Iran blowback.
By on Apr 2nd, 2006 at 3:47 pm
U.S. officials predict Iran blowback.
“U.S. intelligence and terrorism experts say they believe Iran would respond to U.S. military strikes on its nuclear sites by deploying its intelligence operatives and Hezbollah teams to carry out terrorist attacks worldwide,” the Washington Post reports. There is “a growing consensus that Iran’s agents would target civilians in the United States, Europe and elsewhere.”
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And all the while, liberals will scream, “IRAN HAS NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH TERRORISM!!!”
April 2nd, 2006 at 4:02 pmSo what do we do? If we DON’T attack, Iran will continue working on their weapons – which may be used to attack us. If we DO attack, they will come after us with terrorist attacks?
Well “thank goodness” we have Bush spying on innocent Americans! Apparently that will help intercept the calls.
And “thank goodness” Bush has strained our military in Iraq, because having enough soldiers to do the job right clearly isn’t the way to go.
(Note sarcasam.)
April 2nd, 2006 at 4:11 pmWrong again.
Are you able to think in a coherent way?
Do you think that the US military can take on Iran right now?
What I will say is no, we do not have the resources, nor the funding to take on Iran, because we wasted all of the money in the US treasury on a stupid war in Iraq.
Do you think money grows on trees?
There are two options:
1. Raise taxes for the rich, back to where they were.
2. Reinstate the draft, so everybody’s child has a chance to go serve Bush’s noble cause, including you.
Then we can easily take on Iran.
April 2nd, 2006 at 4:13 pmThat was for Pro-Dumbass, not you Dan.
April 2nd, 2006 at 4:14 pmI am afraid that Spudge Boy is right. And I DO hold the Bush administration responsibile for failed diplomacy, for failed leadership, and for squandering everything in Iraq for their own personal gain.
April 2nd, 2006 at 4:17 pmLet me see…a bunch of “deadenders” in thier last throes have kicked our asses and we think going after a country with a huge highly skilled millitary will work out better?? How much is a dime bag of this shit anyway…..?
April 2nd, 2006 at 4:20 pmNo, I am not a Democrat.
April 2nd, 2006 at 4:21 pmLet me be the first to say, “IRAN HAS NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH TERRORISM!!!†Our build-up to pushing Iran to the edge sounds exactly like the quacking and cackling we heard from the Bush/Cheney/Rice crowd in 2002-2003. The GOP has painted our nation into another corner with Iran. Thank goodness we have level-headed leaders like Cheney in charge–his strategy and decision making in Iraq has been so successful. Not.
April 2nd, 2006 at 4:21 pmOf course you do. Reflexive hatred of President Bush constitutes the entire Democratic Party agenda.
April 2nd, 2006 at 4:22 pmThe Republicans have drained our national treasury, not the Democrats.
Lies don’t go far here chump.
April 2nd, 2006 at 4:22 pmNor does the US have the capability to harm IRAN, because IRAN will smash your forces into pieces seriously they are that strong and they don’t need another bully.
April 2nd, 2006 at 4:24 pmMake that 66% of the country.
Do you think that the country is made up of 66% Democrats?
Of course not. Some of that 66% are the real Republicans.
You are not a real Republican. You are a NeoCon Bush apologist.
April 2nd, 2006 at 4:24 pm#12 , Bravo Sir Spudge!!
April 2nd, 2006 at 4:31 pmThe Democrats want to spend more. not less. It was the Republicans in Congress who balanced the budget in the late 1990s.
66% of the country does not agree with you Bush-hating moonbats.
Lies are the standard output of this website.
April 2nd, 2006 at 4:36 pmThe WH cabal hasn’t learned a thing — they are even using the same playbook. Check this out from the British press:
April 2nd, 2006 at 4:37 pmhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/04/02/wiran02.xml&sSheet=/portal/2006/04/02/ixportaltop.html
#15… but ad to that THIS news item:
Britain: No plans to attack Iran
“A spokesman for the Ministry of Defense said a Sunday Telegraph article was wrong in saying British defense officials would meet Monday to discuss what action to take if Iran attacked Iraq — such as strategically bombing suspected Iranian nuclear plants.”
April 2nd, 2006 at 4:41 pmGeorge Bush doesn’t need “intelligence” reports.
April 2nd, 2006 at 4:43 pmIf the Downing Street Memos are any indication, these intelligence reports are about 2 years late to have any impact on Cheney’s energy/policy making.
Bush and Cheney made up their mind about Iran a long time ago.
And the country formerly known as America is just going along for the ride.
As for more terrorist attacks happening in the US…
Bush and Cheney are counting on it.
They wouldn’t have it any other way.
@Pro-Democracy
[i]Lies are the standard output of this website.[/i]
No. Lies & propaganda are what Bush&co spit out to defend their immoral actions. You, together with all the new-age neocons, are simple enough to listen & believe everything that Fox News throws up at you.
April 2nd, 2006 at 4:51 pmAs a Brit i think we need to do something, but not military. We talk about destabilising the middle east, but that would make the place really explode.
PS-Almost everyone in our country loathes Bush and we can’t understand why Blair like him so much. The sooner the United States of Europe, the better!
April 2nd, 2006 at 4:54 pmSeteo has basically said, “I know you are but what am I?” That nicely illustrates the typical intellectual output of this website, and of the Democratic party generally.
To normal, decent Americans, there’s nothing immoral about freeing people from tyrannical dictatorships.
April 2nd, 2006 at 5:00 pmSo attacking Iran is not terrorism? Let them build their “bomb”. They understand what mutual assured destruction is, and they will not use it.
April 2nd, 2006 at 5:05 pmThat term was used when the US put the Shaw into power in Iran back in 1953 for the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company. Small minds and short memories mean that history will keep on repeating itself.
April 2nd, 2006 at 5:08 pm“To normal, decent Americans, there’s nothing immoral about freeing people from tyrannical dictatorships.”
Team America – World Police? Please get off your high horse. Who gave you responsibility for “freeing” opressed people?
April 2nd, 2006 at 5:08 pmI am sure that US will not attacke Iran. Have you seen those two new missles that Iran has recently tested succesfully?
We Iranian know that there should be a war due to the US economy that is more dependent on the Sales of the weapons, and there should be war every 4-10 year ti increase the sales and import of weapon from USA into midlle east, but they are not gonna attack Iran because Iran is really powerfull.
The US has arranged to weaken Iraq for 10 year before attack and they are not yet capable of finding those Bombers and terrorist. They are eigther the terrorist themselves or they are unable of bringing safety in Iraq.
April 2nd, 2006 at 5:08 pmThat term was used when the US & UK put the Shaw into power in Iran back in 1953 for the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company. Small minds and short memories mean that history will keep on repeating itself.
April 2nd, 2006 at 5:08 pmIt is incredible how you talk about attacking Iran, but because you expect Iran to hit back it is called terrorism? who are you kidding?
April 2nd, 2006 at 5:10 pmAmerica wants to go half way across the world and bomb Iran because the propoganda machine says they are a threat! but Iran is not allowed to defend itself!
It is a crying shame that the American media have all been bought and paid for by the arms industry, Israeli lobby and the American government.
America has undermined democracy and freedom across the world and continue to do so.
That is NOT why we invaded Iraq. We invaded Iraq because they were involved in 9/11. When that was disproven, the story changed to WMDs. When that was proven false, we were spreading democracy. Thenm when democracy does happen, the US says we don’t like who you picked.
Your lies will not work here. The truth is stronger than lies.
Descent moral Christians do not start pre-emptive wars for oil.
April 2nd, 2006 at 5:11 pm#16 Dan
April 2nd, 2006 at 5:16 pmThanks for the update – I am somewhat puzzled by the conflict of information. Was something spoken prematurely?
The Iranians are not a rag tag group of terrorists. They are a world power with a massive army. They don’t use Improvised Explosive Devices. They will use conventional weapons to fight us.
CNN
April 2, 2006
Iran: High-speed underwater missile test-fired
Hello!!!!!
Underwater missiles are not IEDs. They are extremely advanced weaponry.
Stop pretending that Iran will be anything like the massive fuck up in Iraq.
It will be much worse.
April 2nd, 2006 at 5:20 pm#27 – Indeed, and that is why Bush is NOT a decent moral Christian.
April 2nd, 2006 at 5:22 pmBut, it is imperative for him to appear that way; cloaked in the love of God.
Or, be it a wolf in sheep’s clothing…
Take your pick…
Why do you suppose pro-dum even posts here when he is so cleanly put down by SpudgeBoy and others. He is a knee-jerk defender of Bush&Co with nothing to support him so he repeats their lies, even when the majority of the country can now see what an abysmal failure Bush and his policies are.
April 2nd, 2006 at 5:23 pm“U.S. intelligence and terrorism experts say”…
April 2nd, 2006 at 5:25 pmbut will bushco listen ? … stay tuned …
Indeed, history. We installed the shah of Iran in the 1950s. The U.S. funded and trained their military police VERY WELL. IT did not take organized military support to bring the shah down. The PEOPLE DEMANDED IT. Do not forget – our hostages at the embassy were held by AMERICAN EDUCATED and AMERICAN ARMED radicals. The U.S. made them who they are. They learned how to play hard ball politically by none other than the U.S.
April 2nd, 2006 at 5:35 pmSpudge Boy,
Do you seriously think reinstating the draft will help us take care of Iran? Do you think a draft will prevent Iran from launching their legions of terrorists against us? Hmm, I don’t think so.
Iran has thrown down the gauntlet. This is going to get ugly. Surrendering to them is not an option.
April 2nd, 2006 at 5:35 pmHaving read reports on Iranian missile tests over the last couple days, I do not think that anyone is in a position to attack Iran. If they do have high velocity torpedoes in any quantity, they would be capable of taking out all of our carriers in a flash. The submarines would have to fire at least one missile before they disappeared if in range. Let’s hope that the Iranians are just blowing off steam.
April 2nd, 2006 at 5:36 pmA surgical strike against Iran is equivalent to shooting off one’s foot with a mortar. You can expect some collateral damage. My guess is about 40,000-60,000 US troops in Iraq and every major Jewish settlement in the West Bank. After that, it is WWIII and W will be a world class war president.
Since the Russians have mapped out all of his possible retreats, he should less time than Saddam did after “Mission Accomplishedâ€. Their plan is to create holes about 1200 feet deep at each of those retreats and to pulverize a certain mountain in the Midwestern United States. W will get a second eternal chance to look into Putin’s soul as they both rot in hell.
Of course, this would also clean up both houses of congress and the Supreme Court.
#29 – Iran will be THE war that was always wanted.
April 2nd, 2006 at 5:36 pmIraq is nothing more than a warm up excercise compared to what will be endured throughout the world when we hit 0 hour.
The one thing that can’t be fully determined is if this war will be accompanied by a nuclear bomb pissing contest.
I think Bush and Cheney will plan a strategic nuclear strike on US soil, and use that as a means to completely liquify Iran with a unified strike.
Then all hell, no really, hell, will break loose.
It’s been pretty well confirmed we’d be greeted as liberators, with flowers and candy. Perhaps even some yellow cake.
April 2nd, 2006 at 5:47 pmI don’t think, I know it is the ONLY way to have enough troops to fight a war with Iran. Read teh post about the new high-speed underwater missile, brought to you by the Iranian military.
That is why we would need to reinstate the draft. We would need lots and lots and lots and lots of bodies to fight that war. The only way to get the number of troops we need is by drafting them. Lord knows, Republicans ain’t joining.
You need to thinnk about it a little. If the people who want this war will not join the military, then we have already lost it. That is whay the draft is the only way.
April 2nd, 2006 at 5:48 pmNo one in th Bush administration used that as a rationale for the war. Spudge Boy is either a liar or a nutcase. probably both.
April 2nd, 2006 at 5:59 pm#38 – Spudge_Boy,
April 2nd, 2006 at 6:02 pmDid you ever consider diplomacy? Cranking up a draft would take at least 90 days to hit the lines. By that time, the entire surface of the Earth would have been converted to glass (Except for, perhaps, the Amazon rain forest).
yeh right haha ..that moron bush cant even win a war against bunch of iraqis with no real weapons eh rightoooooooooo america is really superpower not! iran will fuckk america up the ass if america attack iran and its not like america never been fuckked up the ass befor ..morons
April 2nd, 2006 at 6:05 pmSpudge Boy is one of the sanest people on this site.
April 2nd, 2006 at 6:08 pmIt is YOU that seems a bit “off-kilter”. Bush stuffed Iraq down our collective throats, and it was all lies.
We shouldn’t even BE in the Mid East.
#39 – Pro-Democracy,
April 2nd, 2006 at 6:17 pmAre you ever out of it! Eat your Pablum and all the dust and ants that you find as you crawl on the floor. It is sad that your mother suffered from PAS and you from FAS.
Of course I did WaltTheMan. I don’t think we should be invading anybody. We need to work this thing out, not start another fight.
I was coming from a stand point of if Bush wants to start this war and you know nothing short of impeachment will stop him, then we need a lot more troops and since nobody is joining voluntarily, then the draft will be reinstated.
April 2nd, 2006 at 6:23 pmDude, that arguement has already done been blown out of the water. Bush, Cheney, Rice and Powell all used that line of reasoning. I don’t need to go back into proving that as well, since it is such an old tired beat to death horse.
Try something new.
April 2nd, 2006 at 6:26 pmDo you think money grows on trees?
No, I am not a Democrat.
Comment by Pro-Democracy — April 2, 2006 @ 4:21 pm
Of course not the democrats are the only party to have a president sign a balanced budget since the vietnam era….
Reagan NEVER vetoed a budget because it spent too much…..
Bush 41 NEVER vetoed a budget because it spent too much….
Chimpy Mc Cokehead never vetoed a budget because it spent too much….
Since they signed the budgets it means.. Reagan, Bush 41 and the chimp agreed with the spending increases. And all the budget increases of 2001-2005 are directally tied to the republican party since they control the approaitions commitee and the white house. They don’t tax and spent, but borrow and spend, which will mean the true cost to the tax payer in the end will become MUCH higher because instead of just paying taxes for the programs that the government has, we pay for the interest that Reagan, Bush41 and the chimp BORROWED, and interest payments provide absolutely no services… they just drain the current revenues further. If the C+ chimpy economic and tax system continues we will soon be paying almost 50% of revenues just in interest payments, a large portion to the Chinese, which will appreciate the payments so that their citizens will not have to bear the brunt of the military expendatures alone, they thank morons like the chimp and idiots like youy very much…one question Pro-Democracy… why do you want the chinese to get so much of the tax revenues to fund their military which someday might be used against this country…why do you hate us (and our troops) soooo much?
April 2nd, 2006 at 6:38 pmits just stupid to even think bush wants another war he cant win!!right now we getting out asses kicked in iraq by bunch of camel fuckers!!iran is 50 million times storonger than iraq ,,this is the thing americans never learn just need a bit of common sense to see we cant handle iran .we couldnt even handle viatnam.i say good uck to who ever goes to war in iran they gone need a lot of body bags ,
April 2nd, 2006 at 6:44 pmI think taking a stab wound is better than gunshot wound! confronting Iran now with whatever they have is better than confronting them with a nuclear bomb in the future! Im from Iran and its my belief that Iranian ‘NONE-elected’ goverment knows the only way to its existance is by aquiring nuclear bomb so no one would dare to attack them! so if the Americans thinking about doing anything its better to do it NOW or FORGET it!!! lets not forget that Iranian people after Israel are the most pro western people in the reagion and whats happening in Iraq wont happen in Iran!
April 2nd, 2006 at 6:56 pmthe point is that – we are weaker as direct result of the Iraq war.
April 2nd, 2006 at 7:13 pmthe bungling of this adminstration has left our country ill prepared
to deal with real threats – such as that posed by Iran.
Boggles the mind really, how for so long Dumbya’s strength has been
security. Evidence is quite the opposite. The survival of our country and perhaps
the planet depends on the adults taking over the levers of power in
the USA. Repeal tax cuts for the rich. Start up the draft. Redeploy
our forces in Iraq. Get a real coalition against those who would
do us harm. Quit listening to right wing hate mongering idiots like
Limnbaugh, Savage, Hannity. These bastards have been WRONG about
everything – it has been proven time and time again.
#48 – Aydin,
April 2nd, 2006 at 7:18 pmBefore I retired, I worked with many Iranians in the software and hardware industry. As a group, they are about 30 to 40 IQ points above Asian Indians. They (the Iranians) are slightly below par with Chinese and Japanese Asians. GWB has an IQ that would disqualify him as a primate, much less human.
#21
Let them build their “bombâ€. They understand what mutual assured destruction is, and they will not use it.
Yeah Iran wouldn’t follow the way of the suicide bomber on a countrywide scale!!
Is that the typical thought around here, Let them have it?
April 2nd, 2006 at 7:20 pm#48 – pro-western?
April 2nd, 2006 at 7:27 pmSo does that supercede anti-bush?
Because almost 70% of America is anti-Bush, even though we’re pro-western by default as inhabitants, we don’t want this administration doing anything else for us, in fact, we want him and his cronies gone.
Don’t you think foreign perspectives, to put it lightly, are a little more impassioned?
Even if pro-western support were a justification, ” we will be greeted as liberators etc. etc.” Americans will not buy it.
It doesn’t change the fact that it’s a whole gang of assholes in the whitehouse, pentagon, and private sectors ensuring the outcome benefits them personally before it helps the world in any way at all. The Bushco neocon agenda must be dissassembled and destroyed before this country is taken into permanent darkness.
Tundra,
That is the first time I have seen a post from Godfry Daniel.
NO, that is not the typical thought “around here.”
The problem, which has been stated here ad nauseum, is that Iran has a real military. We won’t be up against a bunch of guys with IEDs. We will be faced with a real threat.
If our closest buddies in Iraq, the British, have stated that they are not deabting fighting Iran, then we are in a world of hurting. We would need to get help from countries like France and Germany, who haven’t been real hip on our stupid war in Iraq.
Notice I didn’t say War “on” Iraq? We beat Saddam. He is in jail. But, we are fighting against he followers “in” Iraq. These people have nothing left to loose. Their leader is out of power. They lost all ot theirs. They are going to fight us until all of them are dead. And there is a lot of them out there.
Iran on the other hand will not go a quitely. They won’t let their leader get captured. Why? Because they voted him in. They like him.
Saddam was just about to have a complete overthrow of Iraq by his sons Odday and Qusay. Remember them. The week we invaded, they planned on killing old daddy. Because nobody liked Saddam.
Iranians like General Musharef.
This doesn’t make me a terrorist sympathizer or anti-American. I am just stating facts.
The Bush administration need to rethink their “war is always on the table” approach and get down to some serious talks.
April 2nd, 2006 at 7:30 pmSo what do we do? If we DON’T attack, Iran will continue working on their weapons – which may be used to attack us. If we DO attack, they will come after us with terrorist attacks?
Comment by Dan — April 2, 2006 @ 4:11 pm
I know you were joking, but this Adminstration has mongered so much fear that I would not be surprised if many people feel this way.
I’ve been reading teh book ‘Culture of Fear’. It’s truly amazing how we’ve become so afraid of one another that we are isolating ourselves from each othere when, now, more that even, we should be unifying as a population to deal with the sad shape of our country.
April 2nd, 2006 at 7:36 pmWho said the Cold was is over?? look how russians providing Iranian government with the weapon and technology to confront americans in the reagion!!! Its all Chess game between America and Russia and this time Iranian government is the poppet and who is real loser?? ofcourse Iranian and american SOLDIERS who will die in between! what a sad story! Shame on both sides!
April 2nd, 2006 at 7:39 pmDescent moral Christians do not start pre-emptive wars for oil.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — April 2, 2006 @ 5:11 pm
Sad that you have to spell it out…
April 2nd, 2006 at 7:39 pmIs that the typical thought around here, Let them have it?
Comment by Tundra — April 2, 2006 @ 7:20 pm
Doesn’t it get into ‘Why do we have the right to stop them considering we have 3,000?’
April 2nd, 2006 at 7:43 pmIn his book, “Against All Enemies,” Richard Clarke described how the U.S. under Bill Clinton waged a successful covert campaign against Iran intelligence and terrorist groups in the wake of the Khobar Towers attack.
For more background on past American experience with Iranian intelligence and its Hezbollah allies, see:
“Freeh at Last: Revenge and Revisionism at the FBI.”
April 2nd, 2006 at 7:44 pmnow heres a fool thats sold his country to americans.yes you aydin you say you from iran and yet you like america to bomb iran and kill thousand of innocent people,,you are a disgrace to iran and dont even call your sef iranian you peace of trader.stay in america and go get a ife you looser.
April 2nd, 2006 at 7:47 pmI mean by pro-western is not the government but american people! you can not find any american civilian who visited Iran and didnt like the way people treated them! Do not mix the people… let the governments fuck eachother! I dont think none of them represent their people! thats all from me.. peace out!
April 2nd, 2006 at 7:48 pmPro Democracy,
You, sir, are a fucking idiot.
The GOP no more balanced the fucking budget than you did. If you will recall the legislation passed w/o one fucking GOP vote.
As far as Iran is concerned, if we attack them for no fucking reason should they just do nothing?
April 2nd, 2006 at 7:49 pmIt has never been done in the entire history of the world, except during the special instance of WWII, and it is likely to never be attempted and succeed ever again. People need to free themselves from tyranny. Many don’t want to, and in the case of the ME, the cure is often worse, for us, than the disease.
April 2nd, 2006 at 7:50 pmall america wants is the freaking oil.did iraq have nukes?nope but i tel youse something,,america got his ass kicked in iraq ,iran is 3000 times more stronger than iraq,iraq is a village .and yet you yanks got your asses kicked over 2300 death americans lol.and you gone be bending over for iran if yo attack it whitch i think america woulnt dare.they scared of iran lets face it if iraq can win a war against bush ,then what is iran gone do to america haha good luck
April 2nd, 2006 at 7:58 pmTalk about pipe dreams:
1. 100% employment, I shudder to think of all the trouble caused by the large percentage of morons who should be paid NOT to work, for all our sakes. Think of any troll here or Republican politician, for instance.
2. The entire world free and happy. Never happen, and Bushco wouldn’t want it that way, anyway. It’s all just drivel for the idiots in their “base”. The ones we want on welfare, not in positions of any importance where they might screw things up. Lose your baggage at the airport, or more likely, steal it.
April 2nd, 2006 at 7:58 pmLet’s just liquidate all these conservatives and Republicans. No conservatives or Republicans, no problems!
April 2nd, 2006 at 8:03 pm# 59. well this goes to you number 59! I didnt sold my country.. I served in Iranian revolutionary guard as my compulsory military service and know for fact that neither me or any of my friends in army would fight for these fucking mullas!!! and YES I love americans to bomb and destroy all the Iranian war machines down to the last tank! you are probably one of those few blind people who live on the umbrella of this regime. so there is no point talking to you! KOS KESH, KIRAM TO KOSE KHAHAR MADARET BA UN RAHBARE KHAR KOSAT! RUZAYE AKHARETOONE HAL KON TA AMIRIKA BIAD NANATO AZ KOON BEGAD!
April 2nd, 2006 at 8:03 pmaydin your a fucking old fool whos done nothing you perobelly on pension ,,dont even have a job and yes keep dreaming that america will attack iran idiot haha iran has new missle that radar cant detect it and the fastest under water missile ,,and i tell you something iran most likelly has got nukes too just a few fools think it dosent they been bulding nukes for over 15 years moron haha koskesh pire mard haha
April 2nd, 2006 at 8:08 pmjasose khar kose.. sage man az to bishtar arzeshe zende mundan dare… omidvaram to yeki az in roza un loleye tanke amrikaia bere to kose nanat, khodetam beri ziresh! man kiram to eslame khomeini! kos keshe haroom zade
April 2nd, 2006 at 8:17 pmhaha koskesh aidin piremard asabi shody yes?ziad josh nazan feshar konet mire baa miofty sekte kon mikoni haha konde nane idit trace shod rat keh nemidan iran misozy vally age biay iranam koneto khodam mizaram konde nane vatan frosh haha boro khosh bash be arezoy bargashtan be iran nane period bye
April 2nd, 2006 at 8:20 pmman Irano gozashtam vase heyvonayi mesle to va alan daram Canada zendegi mikonam! be kiram nisti… kos keshin hamatoon… khaharet dare dubai kos mide boro ann! poole mardomo mirizin to jibe russia and china vase 4 ta tofang! are behamin khial bash ke iran bomb atom dare! nanatoon gaidast! YEK DO SE.. BASIJIYE KHAR KOSE HAHAHAHAHA
April 2nd, 2006 at 8:22 pmif it worth posting then say it in English. Most of us do not speak
April 2nd, 2006 at 8:23 pmor read Iranian. Write English – we don’t gossip.
And I would have to say that these last two comments are about as far off topic as any thread I have ever partaken in at this site. And I have been coming here for a long time.
April 2nd, 2006 at 8:24 pmKOS KESH MAN HALAM KHEYLI HAM KHUBE.. IN TOI KE NEMITOONI BIAY INVARA.. CHON ZADAN VURUDE HEYVOONA MAMNOE! IRAN CHI DARE MAN VASASH BIAM UNJA? DARAM HAL MIKONAM TA DASTE… NESHESTAM BEBINAM KEY AMRIKA MIAD SORAGETOON HAHAHA BORO DIGE KARIT NADARAM JASOOS TOKHME SAG! BORO HAMOOM BOYE GANDET IN WEBSITO VARDASHTE
April 2nd, 2006 at 8:28 pmSince none of us speak Arabic, your words are lost. Too bad. It seems as though you are passionate about your thoughts, but we won’t know what those words are since we don’t speak that language.
Nice way to derail a thread. That is got to be the best troll tactic I have seen.
April 2nd, 2006 at 8:31 pmsorry folks!.. i was trying talking to this ass hole from Iran who seems to be a anti american! I told him becouse of few Iranian like you people of Iran has to suffer either by war or economic snctions! few non elected people who grab the power by both hands and giving away country’s money to russia and china to buy weapons to defend their ass! but they dont know that america is not the treat to them but the real tread is iranian people themself!
April 2nd, 2006 at 8:39 pmThanks for the translation.
April 2nd, 2006 at 8:47 pmeither way Iranian regim has to change as long as it doesnt reflect its people! one way or another Iranian regim has to go, it could be lot faster by american help i wont put it exactly by military means but any outside action would encourage its people to do the rest of the work from inside! in a country that most of its people lives under a poverty line (according to Iranian gov) its WRONG WRONG to spend money to even buy a bullet! YES im in favor if american air force destroy Iranian war machine! and believe me these shows you see on TV about new missiles or stuf like that shows how much they afraid of America! its like a barking dog that with first through of stone will ran away its tail between his legs! and american now can see that there will be no peace in IRAQ as long as there is IRANIAN government supporting terrorist group in Iraq… in other word IRAN,IRAQ problem goes parallel with eachother.. you solve one, other one is solved!
April 2nd, 2006 at 8:52 pmThey’re just realizing this now? Don’t think for a minute that any of it would stop GWBush, Cheney, and the rest of the BA and GOP from nuking Iran. Just look at what 9/11 did for them.
http://www.lcoliberal.blogspot.com
April 2nd, 2006 at 9:01 pmSunday Talk Buzz and Defending Jill Carroll: Now on LCL
spudge, I generally agree with you, but I rather doubt that two Iranians were speaking to each other in Arabic or that many Iranians give very much thought to Musharaff, the President of Pakistan.
April 2nd, 2006 at 9:25 pmI invite everyone to visit this website to see how Iranian people think of their leaders.. http://www.meymoon.com
April 2nd, 2006 at 9:28 pmHope some day we all have a lasting peace on earth w/ no WMD!
peace out!
Pro-democracy is wallace, gary ruppert blah blah zzzzzzzzzzz
April 2nd, 2006 at 9:40 pmOkay. I have no idea, I don’t speak the language.
Are you saying an Iranian spy just vistied us to spread Iranian propaganda?
Okay, I still don’t understand what they said, so it really doesn’t matter.
You mean in a sense that 66% of Americans don’t think much of Bush?
Or do you mean they don’t think much of Musharaff, because they don’t inform themselves, like most of the people in the United States?
April 2nd, 2006 at 9:45 pmHeh
April 2nd, 2006 at 9:46 pmspudge,
Iranians are not Arabs. They speak Persian and have done for several thousand years.
Musharaff is not the leader of Iran. He is the leader of Pakistan. Pakistanis are neither Arabs nor Iranians. Unlike Bush in his first campaign for the Presidency, I suspect many people in Iran know who Musharaff is, but I still doubt they give him much thought.
My first post sounded more nit-picking that intended. My point is that since we know so little of these countries, why do we continue to meddle and then wonder why such meddling goes wrong.
April 2nd, 2006 at 9:58 pmand While Pro-Democracy goes Running like Chicken Little LAST TIME Bush used the same PloY. The ‘Planes’ that could be here in 45 minutes, the Mushroom Clouds, what are you waiting for Pro-cannon Fodder? err Pro-Democracy?
Go boy Be a Mercenary with your private corporate whore government and army Pro-cannon fodder,
Don’t talk to me about LIBERALS or AMERICANS go fight for CHeney and Halliburton;
Of course its Crap, because to the Corporate Government you are either a Creditor or a Debtor.
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Dan Guttman, a Fellow at Johns Hopkins University, who works with the Center for Public Integrity, told The New Yorker’s Mayer that after five years of Bush-Cheney cuts in government jobs, replacing them with PMCs, “contractors have become so big and entrenched that it’s a fiction that the government maintains any control.”
Peter W. Singer, a Fellow at Brookings Institution—an attendee at the Shultz-Rohatyn Middlebury conference, who authored a 2003 book, Corporate Warriors—warned, “We’re turning the lifeblood of our defense over to the marketplace.”
Retired Air Force Col. Sam Gardiner zeroed in on another critical factor driving Cheney, Shultz, and Rohatyn to push the privatization of national security: their commitment to a strategy of imperial perpetual war. “It makes it too easy to go to war,” Gardiner warned. “When you can hire people to go to war, there’s none of the grumbling and the political friction.” Gardiner told Mayer that he is convinced that, without the ability to draw on well over 150,000 PMC contractors in Iraq, Cheney et al. might never have succeeded in selling the Iraq War to Congress, because the invasion and occupation would have required well over 300,000 troops—precisely the number that Gen. Eric Shinseki told Rumsfeld would be needed to do the job. (For his candor, Shinseki was sacked as Army Chief of Staff.) “Think how much harder it would have been to get Congress, or the American people, to support those numbers,” Gardiner concluded.
Neo-Feudalism Anyone? The NEXT level of ‘Capitalism’
April 2nd, 2006 at 10:00 pmGardiner warned. “When you can hire people to go to war, there’s none of the grumbling and the political friction.†Gardiner told Mayer that he is convinced that, without the ability to draw on well over 150,000 PMC contractors in Iraq, Cheney et al. might never have succeeded in selling the Iraq War to Congress, because the invasion and occupation would have required well over 300,000 troops—precisely the number that Gen. Eric Shinseki told Rumsfeld would be needed to do the job.
Hey GARY aka Pro-Democreep, Halliburton wants YOU!!
April 2nd, 2006 at 10:02 pmappalled ally,
I guess my first comment about those two speaking Arabic was what was incorrect. I have no idea what language they were speaking. Sorry, when it comes to the speaking different language thingy, that is not my strong suit. My bad.
And on Musharaff, how about this:
Musharaff won the election just as much as Bush did.
I think that covers it. Election fraud, yes. SHould he be president, no.
Who was the last two statements about?
April 2nd, 2006 at 10:08 pmN-C a N-F,
Except in the earlier times of feudalism the kings, princes and lords usually lead the soldiers into battle.
April 2nd, 2006 at 10:11 pm#I mean by pro-western is not the government but american people! you can not find any american civilian who visited Iran and didnt like the way people treated them! Do not mix the people… let the governments fuck eachother! I dont think none of them represent their people! thats all from me.. peace out!
Comment by Aydin — April 2, 2006 @ 7:48 pm
Yeh We Need to Arm Robertson, Falwell, Bush and His Toadies, the Whole of congress, the LEADERS of the World The UN and all those Military Engineers and Bomb Designers WorldWide, the Military Generals, the Whole lot of the Empire Wackos of 100 times past, and let them have their own little war of the Roses out in the desert on Arizona or New Mexico Somewhere and let the Morons, PUNDITS included, have at it.
They are the ones whom create the ‘Problems’
April 2nd, 2006 at 10:12 pmScrew Bush and His ‘Corporate’ Wars..
“Atoms for Peace” “Enduring Freedom” “Patriot Act” and all that other Hypocritical BS..
spudge,
Maybe we are at cross purposes regarding Musharaff. I am just not sure what relevance you think he has to Iran, apart from being the leader of a neighbouring country.
Iraq, Iran and Pakistan all have Islam as their predominant religion. Yet they are culturally and ethnically distinct.
My comments about meddling were not directed to you or any one here. Rather I meant that it is generally better if governments ( and I was think largely of Western meddling in the Middle East) do not meddle in other countries affairs. Sometimes it is warranted, but seldom is it done for anything other than self-interest.
April 2nd, 2006 at 10:31 pmYou are right, I am talking about the wrong freaking dude. Musharraf is Pakistan. Sheesh. I gotta stop typing and working. Oy.
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is the elected dude from Iran. He was thought to be one of the American hostage takers from the late ’70s. That was never proven, but, may be true. None the less, he was elected and the US didn’t like it.
That is who I meant to be talking about this whole time.
April 2nd, 2006 at 10:36 pmhttp://www.counterpunch.org/berrigan03302006.html
for link to info on post above
April 2nd, 2006 at 10:40 pmspudge,
That’s one issue cleared up. Now tell me why you are opposed to a dimwit, ignorant, lying corrupt President selling your country down the river? I thought you guys were supposed to support a “wartime” President!
April 2nd, 2006 at 10:51 pmI don’t support Bush. Taking a country to war is a bad thing. The only reason to support a war president is (not my definition) “because we are in the middle of war.”
I also don’t think that just because you start a war makes you a “war president.”
George W. Bush and his friends all dodge being in the military and war. That would make him a pussy in my book. I signed up to go to Desert Storm. That takes balls, something Bush and friends don’t have.
April 2nd, 2006 at 10:55 pmspudge,
I did say opposed! I was just being whimsically naughty for a moment. Sometimes we need to have a chuckle or it all seems too much.
The last article here was about Zinni’s statements. As others commented, let’s see how quickly a decorated soldier, who rose to the top ranks, gets “swiftboated” by the draft dodgers.
April 2nd, 2006 at 11:15 pm#95 – Spudge_Boy,
April 2nd, 2006 at 11:23 pmW has balls, he just not have nuts. Do you remember the refrain – this is my rifle, this is my gun, one is for killing the other’s for fun?
Swiftboating someone like Kerry who served honorably but got out is one thing but attacking a Marine General who served 35 years with exceptional Honor will raise the hackles of many current and former marines and that is something even the attack dogs of the right should think long and hard before doing… Murtha was a Colonel in the reserves but the leadership of the house knew better and backed off right quick. One thing the repug machine does not want to do is get the Marines mad and have people comparing Bush to Zinni, bush will look like a boy scout that gets lost in the parking lot waiting for the bus to camp….
April 2nd, 2006 at 11:27 pmWhy would the Iranians bother with terror attacks in the US or Europe when they can accomplish much more in their own backyard? With the missiles they just tested they can destroy Saudi oil installations and sink tankers in the Gulf. That will punish their enemies much more than killing a few civilians, even if those attacks occur in the home countries. Better yet from their viewpoint, they can shut down the oil flow indefinitely, which will guarantee that the Europeans and Chinese and even Indians will take a frosty diplomatic tack toward the US. What does Dubya do when the UN imposes sanctions on the US and the other member states comply? It wouldn’t take much for Venezuela and Mexico to decide that friendly relations with the world community are better than getting kicked around by Uncle Scam and they shut off their oil spigot. What does the Congress do when the UN asks for Dubya to appear in the The Hague to stand trial for war crimes.
April 2nd, 2006 at 11:42 pmClif,
Bush risked his life being flown on the the deck of the USS Abraham Lincoln in dangerous enemy territory off the coast near San Diego ( Given his full pilot’s kit, I assume it must have been a dangerous mission). Those other yellow bellies just got Purple Hearts and other medals for political reasons.
April 2nd, 2006 at 11:46 pm#98 – clif,
April 2nd, 2006 at 11:46 pmI’m confused by this post. Murtha can only have one rank. You have cited him as both a general and a colonel. Is there a central zone here? I do not deny that he is a most honorable man.
Walt, Zinni is the Marine General, Murtha was a colonel in the Marine reserves…
April 2nd, 2006 at 11:49 pmGotcha clif. I’m am old fart and get confused when complex structures are proffered.
April 3rd, 2006 at 12:00 amMe too but having worked with the marines over the years they stick together and do not take it too kindly when anybody slights a marine or the corps, most marines will stand up rather quickly when ever another marine is slighted or attacked…(Make me wonder what Gen Pace will do if the repugs try and swiftboat Zinni, is he more loyal to the corp or bush?)
April 3rd, 2006 at 12:12 amWalt,
Ranks can get confusing. Leuitenant is below Major yet Leuitenant General is above Major General. We ( Commonwealth countries) have Brigadiers who are Colonels and not Generals. It is Bush being the US Commander-in-Chief that I have touble understanding.
April 3rd, 2006 at 12:23 amwell to al of you who think you need huge militery to fight iran try something like 70 million because maybe some of the iranians arent happy with the regime but belive me when i say they unify in the face of an outsider threat.
or if not all the iranain basij (trained soliders that arent on active duty but will be ready to in a few weeks) numbers to over 20 million and one thing you gotta keep in mind if a war did happen the iranains would be fighting for the very reason of their soil that they protected for the past 5000 years and americans they dont even know what there fighting for today its WMD, tomoro to export democracy, later something else.
what you have to keep in mind is that younge americans are dying your tax money is being taken and you arent getting anything back in return but some one like the industy owners of america will have cheap labour natural resources and they will make the money its like me opening a store with everyone elses money and calling it mine and not sharing any of the profit.
please think before you post war is not an option it never is for the past many thousend years people have been fighting the oldest civilizations are now the most misirable civilizations that once controlled all the world are now nothing but a few islands or a little more.
April 3rd, 2006 at 12:48 amappaled ally, the ranks used to be sergeant major general (which got shortened to major general ) two stars, lieutenant general three stars,
A lieutenant out ranks a sergeant major(just don’t tell CSM that to his or her face)…LOL
April 3rd, 2006 at 12:54 amiranian,
April 3rd, 2006 at 12:55 amI think it’s safe to say that the majority of the people on this post don’t want to start a war. We know young americans are dying for no reason except for bush®ime’s own selfishness and plain stupidity; we don’t want to go into a place we know we can’t win and for that matter, I personally don’t want America to invade anyone at all.
#1 – YOU MORON, do you recognize that by dropping a bomb or bombs on their land, we’re the aggressor? They’re basically saying “Fuc* you, and your ‘best military money can buy’–we’re not powerless to retalliate, we’ll just come at you a different way.”
And who is ready to bend over and believe Bush after he cried wolf on Iraq?
April 3rd, 2006 at 12:55 amif iran is attacked :
the most advanced anti missile systems on board the us navy on the persian gulf can destroy only 6 at a time that is at their best performance with everything going well if itan desides to launch 2-30 misslies which they will and with all the new weapons they just tested they will destroy both (i think us only has 2 units in the gulf at this time) in each theres over 4000 people now imagine how america would feel after that.
and one thing you gotta remember iranains arent terrorist their government isnt it is just the iranian intrest just like the us intrest when they killed Dr. Mossadeq but if iran does something it is called terrorism if US goes invades a country half way across the world and 100,000 iraqis die it isnt terorism i mean at least in iran people vote for the precedent not for a party theres a lot more democracy there. that is right they close down newspapers and jail people BUT PEOPLE GET TO SAY WHAT THEY WANT in america you only hear and read what the government wants you to think i dont see any of Mr. coles articles in the new york times or CNN.
american you are qwsome people i really love all weterners you are a much better people then we care the reason for that is you didnt have a lot of hard times like our people everyday having to wake up and worry if your countrys under attack or is accused of something you will donate money to help kids and animals in other continets because you can afford tom, so i dont think people who do such things would want a single human being die but i would blame it all on the media that doesent supply the right information. all i say is take the time to find the facts not what is fed to you by CNN, BBC or any other bought out stations.
April 3rd, 2006 at 1:15 amBush is planning on testing on June 2 a 700 ton bomb in Nevada. It’ll be the largest mushroom cloud to be seen by Las Vegas since we stopped doing nuclear testing in 1963.
It is hard not to believe that Bush has started the Cold War and reignited the nuclear arms race.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=1788259
This all feels like, “Dr. Strangelove or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb”.
April 3rd, 2006 at 1:20 amI bet each and every person/country that is sick and tired of American arrogance and bully tactics is wishing, hoping and praying that we are indeed stupid enough to attack Iran at this particular point in our history – at a time when our troops are almost burnt out, equipment needs serious repair and maintenance, we have “wars†on two other fronts already, our credibility has never been lower, our total allies are at lowest ebb, Muslims never hated us more, our finances have never been lower, the country has never been more divided, the President’s popularity was never lower, when the world and the American people were never more tired of spilling the blood of innocent women and children…………..
April 3rd, 2006 at 1:21 amNow BushCo has us all worked up over Iran’s new torpedo.Talk about pre W.W.1 thinking.
April 3rd, 2006 at 1:27 amInvading Iran right now, would be a stupid idea, and not because of the frankly pathetic threat that is terrorism, but because of the immense threat that is your own economic dependence on your natural enemies.
Ask your local industries who they are afraid of, and why. The Bushies are all afraid of terrorists (who in real terms aren’t really that scary) the local manufacturers are scared shitless of Chinese goods flooding the markets. China has no ethical qualms about price wars.
April 3rd, 2006 at 2:06 amGURU,
That ain’t no torpedo. It is a missile that can travel 223 miles per hour, underwater. It is 3 to 4 times faster than a torpedo. This is new fangled shit.
April 3rd, 2006 at 2:09 amSpudge,my point is that BushCo will use any pretext for their warmongering.The Brownshirts like to talk about pre 9/11 thought by dems. I wasn’t comparing it to W.W.1 or 2 tech.
April 3rd, 2006 at 2:55 amAnd all the while, liberals will scream, “IRAN HAS NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH TERRORISM!!!â€
Comment by Pro-Democracy — April 2, 2006 @ 4:02 pm
Hey ChickenLittle, just because you live in fear doesn’t mean the rest of us do or will no matter how hard you scream and throw your little ReichWing temper trantrum.
“There is nothing to fear but fear itself.”
April 3rd, 2006 at 3:42 amFranklin D. Roosevelt
6 months ago US experts said Iran was 10 years from the bomb. They still are. We are back to the same string of lies that gave us Iraq all over again. They don’t have nukes. They are not threatening the United States but the United States is threatening them. They are within the law as far as the research they are doing as well as enrichment.
Even if they could hit the US with a missle and they CANNOT. Mutually assured destruction is still in play which has worked against Russia and China. Also, why would anyone go through the trouble of sending a missle when we only inspect 3% of cargo containers. They can ship them UPS thanks to Chimpy’s great work on protecting us from evil-doers.
“Pro-democracy”, aka “GARY RUPPERT” aka “James Guckert” aka “Jeff Gannon” is a lying piece of troll shite.
April 3rd, 2006 at 4:02 amOff topic, but check out the Awesome Deferred article on Something Awful.
http://www.somethingawful.com/
Gives one a little persepective on just how much the war cost hey?
April 3rd, 2006 at 5:37 amSo you mean an american war could create terrorists? NEVER!
R2K
April 3rd, 2006 at 8:16 am#120 In fact the only perspective of an american war is creating terrorists right now. What a great strategist is Bush.
April 3rd, 2006 at 8:25 amPro-Democracy–hustle yer ass down to the local recruiting center and get signed up NOW! Your country…er, I mean the Bush administration needs your gung-ho attitude on the front lines in the worst way. Hurry up, don’t delay–Ronald Dumsfeld is calling on YOU!
April 3rd, 2006 at 9:43 amI’m gathering that “Pro-Democracy” is short for ‘professional democracy’, as evidenced by the lackey puppets currently in the employ of the security/military/energy/exploitation complex…
April 3rd, 2006 at 10:40 amAnd all the while, liberals will scream, “IRAN HAS NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH TERRORISM!!!â€
Comment by Pro-Democracy #!
Slow-Hypocrit,
If you don’t want to have a baby or STD, don’t have sex without protection…
…likewise, if you don’t want to have your children and grandchildren blown to hell…
…don’t go around blowing up other people’s children and grandchildern…
…you al Cracker mofos crack me up…
…your gods Bushiva and L’il Dick (along w/their Israeli masters) are acting like the world’s preemptive “TERRORISTS”…
…and you want to blame “liberals”…
…we didn’t start the fire a*shole…
…your side did!
…now go sacrifice your children to your gods Bushiva and L’il Dick…
…you mindless inbred TRAITOR…
April 3rd, 2006 at 1:09 pmBushCo;bad people.
April 3rd, 2006 at 8:50 pmTo normal, decent Americans, there’s nothing immoral about freeing people from tyrannical dictatorships.
Comment by Pro-Democracy — April 2, 2006 @ 5:00 pm
So, I guess “Pro-Democracy” is now telling us that using violence to overthrow the Bush regime is a moral thing to do.
And here I was all this time, thinking he was stupid.
April 3rd, 2006 at 10:19 pmSeeds of Fear Being Redirected
It’s almost like watching a formula Hollywood movie. So predictable. “U.S. intelligence and terrorisms†experts, eh? Yea, I remember them. They were the purveyors of fear that told us that Saddam was behind 9/11 and that Iraq had WMD, and all at a strikingly similar time in the chronology of events leading up to the invasion of Iraq. (Can you say “manipulation?â€)
So now Ms. Priest writes a story just letting us know that these guys are now just worrying out loud that if we attack Iran, they may retaliate? Retaliate? How dare they. We better kill them all before they kill us in retaliation for killing them, a preemptive attack. (What do you call a preemptive attack to a preempt a preemptive attack?)
April 3rd, 2006 at 10:39 pmI am an Iranian too. It’s true that almost all Iranians are against their own government, but just a very very small percentage of them are such betrayers like Aydin (Only if you could understand his posts to the other guy in Farsi, you would get what I mean)
In case of a war, be sure that majority of Iranians will fight for this regime against the foreign invaders.
April 5th, 2006 at 2:20 pmThe hegelian principle clearly teaches what is happening in irag and Iran today! American are their worse enemies!
April 11th, 2006 at 8:55 pmTrue!
April 12th, 2006 at 2:30 pm