Gen. Zinni: ‘American Media is Being Made a Scapegoat’ For Iraq Failures
Gen. Zinni: ‘American Media is Being Made a Scapegoat’ For Iraq Failures
Fox News and others have relentlessly pushed the line that the media is too negative in its reporting on Iraq. Former CENTCOM commander Gen. Anthony Zinni was asked about this critique this morning on Meet the Press.
Full transcript:
RUSSERT: Do you believe the American media is distorting the news from Iraq or presenting an accurate picture?
ZINNI: Well, I think the American media is being made a scapegoat for what’s going on out there. At last count, I think something like 80 journalists have been killed in Iraq. It’s hard to get outside the Green Zone and not risk your life or risk kidnapping at a minimum to get the story. And it’s hard to blame the media for no good stories when the security situation is such that they can’t even go out and get the good stories without risking their lives. And you have to remember that it’s hard to dwell on the good things when the bad things are so overwhelmingly traumatic and catastrophic. So I think that’s an unfair blame that’s put on the media. I think that there probably are good things at the lower level, but are they balanced out by the bad things that are happening? All the good things happening out there will mean nothing if this unity government doesn’t come together.
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Zinni is right. The real problem is that at every fork in the Iraq road, Bush made the wrong turn.
April 2nd, 2006 at 1:44 pm“ZINNI: Well, I think the American media is being made a scapegoat for what’s going on out there. At last count, I think something like 80 journalists have been killed in Iraq. It’s hard to get outside the Green Zone and not risk your life or risk kidnapping at a minimum to get the story. And it’s hard to blame the media for no good stories when the security situation is such that they can’t even go out and get the good stories without risking their lives. ”
Now he’s an apologist for the Left Wing Media? That’s a good one. He’s standing up for the very people that lie about military operations, work hand in hand with the enemy in producing damaging propaganda and in some cases lie Al Jazeria ARE THE ENEMY. Typical Left Wing Fuckwit. He’s no warrior, he a damn politician through and through. No wonder Clinton put him in his last military position over the Mid East.
April 2nd, 2006 at 1:47 pmA tactical error is a artillery round hitting the wrong target.
A strategic error is send 165,000 Coalition troops in to do what 660,000 Coalition troops couldn’t in 1991.
Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney said this is regards to President George H. W. Bush’s deciding to not invade Bahgdad during Operation Desert Storm:
The problem here is that Cheney flipped from the right side of the arguement and flopped to the wrong side of the arguement.
April 2nd, 2006 at 1:56 pm#2. There is no left wing media. You can keep saying it, but just because the truth makes Bush and his cronies look incompetent doesn’t mean the media is liberal. Time to wake up to the failure of this administration and conservative policies in general.
April 2nd, 2006 at 1:57 pmThe Bush Regime tries to make anybody else the scapegoat for their hidious Iraq fiasco! The Media/Press shares some blame for being stooges at times for promoting the Iraq debacle!
April 2nd, 2006 at 2:06 pmHe’s no warrior, he a damn politician through and through. No wonder Clinton put him in his last military position over the Mid East.
Comment by I-RIGhT-I — April 2, 2006 @ 1:47 pm
Did you implode after you gave Clinton credit for doing something you deem as ‘positive’?
Really, IRI, the water is not over your head in the middle. Let go of the Right Bank and come join the majority in the center. It’ll feel better understanding that nothing is 100% absolute.
April 2nd, 2006 at 2:09 pmJust like Vietnam. The Pentagon blamed the press then for “losing the war”. quote me here; BULLFUCKINGSHIT!!!!
April 2nd, 2006 at 2:09 pmThe Bush Regime tries to make anybody else the scapegoat for their hidious Iraq fiasco! The Media/Press shares some blame for being stooges at times for promoting the Iraq debacle!
Comment by Jay Randal — April 2, 2006 @ 2:06 pm
Well, when you can blame the Devil for making you do it, then why not everybody else? There’s no basis for responsibility for your own actions on the far right.
April 2nd, 2006 at 2:17 pmHey IRI; this should be of particular interest to you; in today’s Detroit paper, reprinted from the LA Times by Mark Mazzetti: “Over the past year, the Army has begun accepting more recruits who score poorly on mental aptitude tests and more who don’t have a high school diploma. It has begun accepting more candidates with criminal records and histories of drug abuse, and has raised the maximum age at which a person can enter the army,” LOOKS LIKE THAT IF YOU EVEN SHOW UP AT THE RECRUITER’S OFFICE, YOU ARE IN. When I read it, I instantly thought of you. GO JOIN THE ARMY NOW SHIT-FOR-BRAINS; NO MORE EXCUSES!!!!!!!
April 2nd, 2006 at 2:22 pmBTW- the LA Times story by Mazetti was titled ‘Army redraws rules on tattoos as recruitment falls’. You can even join with that “mother” tattoo on you dick.
April 2nd, 2006 at 2:28 pmVery interesting comment on loyalty verses integrity and competency. Loyalty earns you the Medal of Freedom while integrity and competency gets your bags packed. Gen. Zini should be Secretary of Defense instead of the current fearmongering dinosaur. America is better than our present administration. Because the GOP controlled Congress has failed in its oversight responsibilities, George Bush thinks it’s his government to do as he pleases. The people giveth and the people will taketh away. Eventually!
April 2nd, 2006 at 2:30 pmI-Right-I, come on. Give it up. There is nothing factually wrong in what Zinni’s saying. Sometimes I really wonder how you guys can stand being who you are. You don’t even have the character to stop lying to yourselves.
Bush knew there were no WMDs; he ignored dissenting intelligence, and he let Osama bin Laden, the greatest mass-murderer in US history, go free.
George Bush is a criminal.
This will go down as one of the most shameful episodes in US history.
April 2nd, 2006 at 2:32 pmZinni is a trai…..ZZzzzzzzzzzz
April 2nd, 2006 at 2:36 pmIf only the liberal press corp in Iraq would carry weapons and kill a few terrorists while reporting the “good news,” this war on terror would have been only six days long! The most interesting aspect of the bush/cheney blame game is who will be the next responsible party for screwing up their perfect world. There simply aren’t too many others to blame ~ but that hasn’t stopped this failed leadership yet!
April 2nd, 2006 at 2:37 pmThis is a delusional fucktard off it’s medication. It puts the lotion in the basket or it gets the hose! IT PUTS THE LOTION IN THE BASKET!
April 2nd, 2006 at 2:39 pmAny time a person who knows what is talking about , with veracity and points to the lies and short comings of this administration , the paid apologists for little Dick,incompetent bush and moron neocons come to the attack . It;s called swiftboating .
April 2nd, 2006 at 2:55 pmLets give IRI a chance to factually back up what he says. Go for it big guy…
April 2nd, 2006 at 2:57 pmCome on i r i ,TELL US YOU ARE NOT PAID FOR ALL THE NONSENSE YOU WRITING.
April 2nd, 2006 at 2:58 pmWhen are FOX and others going to go walking around Iraq gathering feel good stories. Why wont they leave the green zone or newsroom? Is it because they fear that they will be killed?How dangerous could it be?Things are going swimmingly, arent they? How about a story from OLeilly on location in Baghdad?
April 2nd, 2006 at 4:20 pmPBR
How about this blast from the past, people?
On March 24 1999 Fox’s conservative commentator Tony Snow suggested: “You think Vietnam was bad? Vietnam is nothing next to Kosovo.”
Now THERE’S a guy who hates America!!
April 2nd, 2006 at 4:31 pmyea, and i’m STILL waiting for the results of the recently returned husband whose “job while serving was as a broadcast journalist. And he has brought back several DVDs full of wonderful footage of reconstruction, of medical things going on.”
April 2nd, 2006 at 4:40 pmwhatever happened to that, huh???
Zinni: Media being made a scapegoat…
From Former CENTCOM commander Gen. Anthony Zinni, appearing on “Meet the Press”:RUSSERT: Do you believe the American media is distorting the news from Iraq or presenting an accurate picture? ZINNI: Well, I think the American media is being made a…
April 2nd, 2006 at 5:24 pm“ZINNI: Well, I think the American media is being made a scapegoat for what’s going on out there. At last count, I think something like 80 journalists have been killed in Iraq. It’s hard to get outside the Green Zone and not risk your life or risk kidnapping at a minimum to get the story. And it’s hard to blame the media for no good stories when the security situation is such that they can’t even go out and get the good stories without risking their lives. â€
Now he’s an apologist for the Left Wing Media? That’s a good one. He’s standing up for the very people that lie about military operations, work hand in hand with the enemy in producing damaging propaganda and in some cases lie Al Jazeria ARE THE ENEMY. Typical Left Wing Fuckwit. He’s no warrior, he a damn politician through and through. No wonder Clinton put him in his last military position over the Mid East.
Comment by I-RIGhT-I — April 2, 2006 @ 1:47 pm
So the 80 dead reporters in Iraq lied about military operations?
Because he calls bullshit on ReichWing Propaganda his not a warrior?
Clinton put him in last? So are you a Clinton supporter now? Make up your mind Reichwinger.
I-RIGHT-I, Why aren’t you in Iraq? You talk real tough like you could handle it. I think you’d be shitting green all the way out of the C-141 after the Sergeant had to kick your yellow bellied ass out the door. You’re a typical right wing arm chair quarterback. Just sit back Mr. know it all from behind your TV screen and keep sharp shooting the people that actually serve this country you coward.
April 2nd, 2006 at 5:56 pmGeneral Zinni has been right out there as a major critic of this administration’s moronic Iraqi policy from day one. No one is more qualified than he is and he is yet to be proven wrong.
I-RIGHT-I, know what you’re talking about before you shoot off your mouth. He’s an American. The blind faith of those like you would have us all in chains.
April 2nd, 2006 at 6:05 pmKaty things are going sooo wonderful over there she won’t mind her husband returning to do on location pieces around Iraq which will be directally fed to the evening news, places like Samara, Monsul, Fallugha, Karbala, An Najaf, you know nice peaceful locations where all the nice schools are being built and the locals really love us………………………NOT
April 2nd, 2006 at 6:15 pmyep, you’d think so, cliff…
April 2nd, 2006 at 6:34 pmbut really, where are those stories??? i thought we’d get to see SOMETHING of them rather soon …seems that’s been forgotton… even at faux …
i did hear someone, franken or randi maybe, give the guy’s name, so he is not an “unknown”…
but “several CDs full” would be a LOT of video!
Here is an idea, let’s call Anderson Cooper and tell him to do a 30 minute expose on the good shit in Iraq. Let’s see if it can be done. I would mind seeing some good shit. After all, it is my tax dollars at work reconstructing Iraq.
April 2nd, 2006 at 6:48 pmKaty, tweety had the propogandist and his wife on “softballs” one night….(at least that was what he was tossing them)
April 2nd, 2006 at 6:55 pmDid you implode after you gave Clinton credit for doing something you deem as ‘positive’?
Comment by unbelievable
Positive my fuzzy red white and blue behind. The guy was a f’ing card punching loser from day one. Clinton wouldn’t hire anyone else. Bush people, the idiots, put him on staff as an advisor but the guy shouldn’t have held a post of any kind since he showed his true colors by siding with the Red Chinese, Russians and Euroweasels and the UN against his country. As it turns out he was wrong and he got fucked by his Leftist buddies….the ONLY reason they didn’t want war with Saddam was because of the money Saddam had to offer them. And, as we know Saddam not only offered THEY TOOK THE MONEY. My guess is this failed American warrior took the money too. Benedict Arnold was a true war hero before he turned traitor. Zinni? Fuck him.
April 2nd, 2006 at 6:57 pmTHERE IS NO LEFT WING MEDIA! If there was the right wingers would have their lies exposed on a minute to minute basis. All one has to do is listen to the radio and watch the cable news shows to see that the media leans to the right. The editorial pages of most newspapers are also controlled by the right.
What you are seeing (by blaming the media) is more of the Bush Admininstration failing to take responsibility for their mistakes. They have been wrong all along in Iraq and will continue to do so without anyone taking the blame.
April 2nd, 2006 at 7:00 pmI-RIGHT-I, know what you’re talking about before you shoot off your mouth. He’s an American. The blind faith of those like you would have us all in chains.
Comment by Clemsy
He’s an American? That’s your proof of his brains and loyalty? You know nothing, admit it. Blind faith indeed.
April 2nd, 2006 at 7:01 pmI.R.I YOU TRAITOR. YOU’RE NO BETTER THAN GOLBERG OR PODHORETZ.At last they have the courage to disclose their names . Come on unmask yourself and tell us how much you getting paid for your crap.
April 2nd, 2006 at 7:03 pmAnthony Charles Zinni (born 1947) is a retired general in the United States Marine Corps and a former Commander in Chief of U.S. Central Command. He was selected in 2002 to be a special envoy for the United States to Israel and the Palestinian Authority.
Zinni’s decorations include: the Defense Distinguished Service Medal; the Defense Superior Service Medal with two oak leaf clusters; the Bronze Star Medal with Combat “V†and gold star in lieu of a second award; the Purple Heart; the Meritorious Service Medal with gold star in lieu of a second award; the Navy Commendation Medal with Combat “V†and gold star in lieu of second award; Navy Achievement Medal with gold star in lieu of a second award; the Combat Action Ribbon; the Vietnamese Honor Medal; the French National Order of Merit; and the Order of Merit of the Italian Republic.
IRI is a founding member of homofobes-R-us and and idiot first class in racists of america
No known action or awards but duct tape second class and hiding under the bed endurance award with 15,000 seperate citations
April 2nd, 2006 at 7:08 pmI-R-I. Would you care to enlighten us as to which of Zinni’s statements are wrong and why?
April 2nd, 2006 at 7:08 pmI.R.I YOU TRAITOR. YOU’RE NO BETTER THAN GOLBERG OR PODHORETZ.At last they have the courage to disclose their names . Come on unmask yourself and tell us how much you getting paid for your crap.
Comment by leoger
Oooooh, here’s the scary part dipshit. I believe everything I say. Not only that but I have the brains, education, contacts and money to get things done. In fact I do. Unmask myself? There’s no mask loser; I’m an American who just happens to be on top of fuckwits like you. Shut up and mind your own business or I’ll give your job to a wetback.
April 2nd, 2006 at 7:14 pmPositive my fuzzy red white and blue behind.
My bad, I misread your statement.
As for that very disturbing visual of your rear end - I’m certain a doctor could help you with the red and blue parts, but the white, well, that is pretty much permanent. :)
The guy was a f’ing card punching loser from day one. Clinton wouldn’t hire anyone else. Bush people, the idiots, put him on staff as an advisor but the guy shouldn’t have held a post of any kind since he showed his true colors by siding with the Red Chinese, Russians and Euroweasels and the UN against his country. As it turns out he was wrong and he got fucked by his Leftist buddies….the ONLY reason they didn’t want war with Saddam was because of the money Saddam had to offer them. And, as we know Saddam not only offered THEY TOOK THE MONEY. My guess is this failed American warrior took the money too. Benedict Arnold was a true war hero before he turned traitor.
I can’t argue with you because I don’t know enough about this. I was a blind faith Republican at the time and didn’t pay much attention to what Clinton was doing. But I’m sure there are plenty of others who will be happy to do so in my place.
I’d would say, however, that you are seriously overdue for a vacation.
Zinni? Fuck him.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — April 2, 2006 @ 6:57 pm
He’s not my type.
Which reminds me… How was your ‘breakfast’?
April 2nd, 2006 at 7:16 pmI-R-I. Would you care to enlighten us as to which of Zinni’s statements are wrong and why?
Comment by appalled ally —
No I wouldn’t. But you can go back to his 2004 doom and gloom analysis of the war and see where he went wrong. For example he wanted us to involved ourselves in a UN sponsored coalition. As we now know France, Germany, Russia , China and others were in Saddams pocket. How did he miss that? Good question, I don’t think he did. I think he was blowing smoke and pocketing money just like the EuroLosers. Who know but the fact remains, never trust some dipshit with 20/20 hindsight and political aspirations.
You call yourself an appalled ally? Shame on you for overlooking the real situation and caving to the Filthy Left.
April 2nd, 2006 at 7:21 pmTHERE IS NO LEFT WING MEDIA! If there was the right wingers would have their lies exposed on a minute to minute basis. All one has to do is listen to the radio and watch the cable news shows to see that the media leans to the right. The editorial pages of most newspapers are also controlled by the right.
Comment by Gary Mellon — April 2, 2006 @ 7:00 pm
As far as I know, we’re the only animals that can speak. Look at all the trouble that has gotten us into. We label everyting, and as a result, it sets up so much controversy simply because it’s a flawed system since everyone has their own interpretation of what things mean.
Ultimately, I think 90% of us want the same end result. We just can’t agree on how to get there because we keep tripping over semantics and judgment.
April 2nd, 2006 at 7:21 pmIRI is a founding member of homofobes-R-us and and idiot first class in racists of america
Comment by Clif
Hey, I don’t mind if the queers that work in grade schools turn your kid and far be it from me to suggest that Mexico isn’t the rightful owner of your property and home town. Whatever you say Clif. You know I’m with you 100%.
Dimwit.
April 2nd, 2006 at 7:25 pmI-R-R I didn’t think you would. I understand though. It was an extremely difficult task I set you.
April 2nd, 2006 at 7:25 pmI have seen wet backs lot worthier than you i.r.i You’re nothing but a whore .You’ll sleep , suck on , with any one . I do not see any education in you , just greed and total dishonesty . As far as being an American .Good god , you nothing but a red coat , go back to the dirt farm you sorry arse , you wallow with the pigs of Bavaria.
April 2nd, 2006 at 7:28 pmHere is an idea, let’s call Anderson Cooper and tell him to do a 30 minute expose on the good shit in Iraq. Let’s see if it can be done. I would mind seeing some good shit. After all, it is my tax dollars at work reconstructing Iraq.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — April 2, 2006 @ 6:48 pm
So, did you? If so, what did he say?
April 2nd, 2006 at 7:29 pmIt PUTS THE LOTION IN IT”S RIGHT EYE OR IT GETS THE HOSE AGAIN!
If he’s a paid troll they are wasting our tax dollars or some rich white guy’s money, in which case…. good!
April 2nd, 2006 at 7:40 pmIt PUTS THE LOTION IN ITâ€S RIGHT EYE OR IT GETS THE HOSE AGAIN!
Comment by Zzzzzzzzzz — April 2, 2006 @ 7:40 pm
That is seriously creeping me out… I couldn’t watch that movie a second time because of that guy. Uhhhhh….
April 2nd, 2006 at 7:48 pmIRI; See post #9. S’matter asshole? Are you a coward as well as an idiot?
April 2nd, 2006 at 7:48 pmThis is what I sent off to Anderson Cooper. We will see if he responds. I sure hope so, all of this news showing the bad stuff is just proving us correct, even though the media completely missed the boat on the war being stupid in the first place.
Let’s here it for happy news.
April 2nd, 2006 at 8:22 pmDidn’t click my link did you IRI. Course not. Your just here to get everyone to take you seriously and actually respond to you.
Don’t argue with fools folks.
April 2nd, 2006 at 8:45 pmI-R-I is off his meds again > he needs increasing dosages of thorizine to keep him from completely slipping into madness and chewing the carpet like Adolf Hitler did > lol.
April 2nd, 2006 at 9:02 pmIRI is currently working on citation 15,001
April 2nd, 2006 at 9:05 pmThis is what I sent off to Anderson Cooper. We will see if he responds. I sure hope so, all of this news showing the bad stuff is just proving us correct, even though the media completely missed the boat on the war being stupid in the first place.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — April 2, 2006 @ 8:22 pm
Keep us posted. His show is on too late for me…
April 2nd, 2006 at 9:09 pm#36 Oooooh, here’s the scary part dipshit. I believe everything I say….
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — April 2, 2006 @ 7:14 pm
That is absoultely scary that you believe everything you say, because you have to be the most un American person I have ever been exposed to.
April 2nd, 2006 at 9:27 pmIt’s not trained, unless you mean it was brought up that way by idiot parents in an idiot town in an idiot red state full of red-neck white trash.
You know that “lotion guy” was a red state Republican, don’t you?
April 2nd, 2006 at 9:28 pmHey guys, IRI is always posting on how he’s such a bad-ass. I’m just calling him on his bluff. You see, I know what it’s like, been there, done that. I was going to go to college on a scholarship out of high school, but was drafted instead. So I got another “education”, from the viewpoint of a “grunt”. They drafted me as cannon-fodder for Vietnam. So I KNOW IRI doesn’t know mother f*cking shit.
April 2nd, 2006 at 9:29 pmImagine having any of these “things” as your parents….
April 2nd, 2006 at 9:31 pmSo I got another “educationâ€, from the viewpoint of a “gruntâ€. They drafted me as cannon-fodder for Vietnam. So I KNOW IRI doesn’t know mother f*cking shit.
Comment by Ho Chi Minh — April 2, 2006 @ 9:29 pm
I think that’s the part that gets me the most. I don’t believe we get anything but this life, and for somone to destroy someone else’s in the name of megalomaniacal violence is the real ‘evil’.
I used to work with a guy who drove a tank in Vietnam. We were at Dulles or Miami airport - I forget which because they blend after a while - after a meeting and he told me. Said he had to blockit all out to stay sane. Such a shame. Ruin this poor guy’s life over what? A dismal stain in the history books?
Also dated someone in the first Gulf War. He left a Colorado Republican and returned an anti-war, liberal atheist. I figure it’s gotta be worse than anything I could imagine to change someone that much in a matter of months. I think he permently lost his innocence. I don’t know how you could not. Thw war movies get to me and I know that’s no where close to the reality. And yet I grew up in a pro-military family. My father’s cousin was John Basilone, and his father and uncle were decorated war heros. Yet, I don’t get how a handful of angry people can create such havoc for so many. And I guess I never will.
By the way, don’t take IRi seriously. He gets to you guys because you let him.
April 2nd, 2006 at 10:00 pmYa FEckin THINK!!!?
April 2nd, 2006 at 10:16 pmSpudge (#3) - Cheney is always on the wrong side of events. He is only capable of making a mess of things.
Thank you Gen. Zinni for stating the obvious in clear language.
April 2nd, 2006 at 10:18 pmHow about the fact that Cheney used PMC up to 150,000 “Contractors” and not troops? Ya think that MIGHT have something to do with it?
Lemme see Contractor, OVERcharging, War Profiteering, and Well LAZY. Bad Water. Bad Food. No Armor. No Body Armor, NO WMD? NO OSAMA?Bumper crop of Opium 2004 in afghanistan![think $$ weapons]
Empty Trucks “sailing” across the Desert Billed to USA. YaY!
8 billion went missing in IRAQ, YA THINK? any of that Went to the Terrorists? Stay what COURSE? YEllow Cake, Tubes, Lies. Duh.
Yeh Its the “Medias” Fault
April 2nd, 2006 at 10:21 pmIRI is like a Fly.
April 2nd, 2006 at 10:24 pmHe eats Crap and bothers people.
one day IRI, will pro-create from that Crap, and his larvae shall also grow up to eat crap and bother people for he spaketh nothing but crap to them.
April 2nd, 2006 at 10:26 pmWe would not be having this arguement if Bush was correct about Iraq on WMD’s, ties to terrorism, the cost of the war only at 20 billion dollars, the insurgency, Iraqis throwing roses at us, “we are making great progress in Iraq” as he said, we only need 140,000 troops in Iraq to occupy it,etc, etc. This man lied, hyped and spinned the intelligence for personal reasons. He is a discrace to our country and all the fighting young men in Iraq. Is that AirCraft Carrier still sailing around with the infamous banner “Mission Accomplished”? Bush the idiot president.
April 2nd, 2006 at 10:28 pmSo Why would BUSH and Cheney LISTEN to the Liberal MEDIA anyway?
Yet the LIBERAL MEDIA is the HATED LIBERALS
Talk about blatantly STOOPID SPIN..Sheesh Rover, did you lose your GENIUS? Did that Big Forehead stop shining? Has the PIG sweat stopped flowing, have the Greenbacks ceased to flow to Rovers Office? Has Turdblossoms brown eye turned Blue? =)
George George Please Dont Rovers BROWN EYE BLUE!!
April 2nd, 2006 at 10:32 pm[wink wink]
its not turd blossom anymore!
April 2nd, 2006 at 10:35 pmSo nana nana boo boo!
George Calls Me “Chocolate Starfish” now and says thats what a terdblossom really is so Hah!
This is a delusional fucktard off it’s medication. It puts the lotion in the basket or it gets the hose! IT PUTS THE LOTION IN THE BASKET!
Comment by Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz — April 2, 2006 @ 2:39 pm
Thanks for the laugh Zzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!
April 2nd, 2006 at 10:46 pm#11 - QuALAr, It always comes down to Congress, which ultimately can never escape its responsibility for our predicament. The Democratic Congress of the late 70s ruined the progressive income tax forever and paved the way for Reagan. They’re even worse than the Republicans, if that’s possible, because they’ve never copped to it. People like Zinni never rise to the positions their talents may be so well suited for, because it would relieve those already in power of their cushy sinecures. Those who can, criticize—that’s the way it is in talk-show America.
April 2nd, 2006 at 11:19 pmThis sums up the case rather nicely. Republicans want newscasters to report on the “good news”–a school opening, etc–but in their usual top-down approach, they make no provision for the newscasters to “get” the story.
I guess it’s the reporter’s “personal responsibility” to risk their lives for a shred of good news.
April 3rd, 2006 at 12:47 amRe #67, I think that “Mission Accomplished” picture should be placed next to a picture of Bin Laden, who announced in January that he’s still alive. Mock George’s “dead or alive” nonsense.
April 3rd, 2006 at 12:52 amYou know these REICHWINGERS will DEMONIZE and VILLIFY anyone that doesn’t agree with their NAZI AGENDA. It doesn’t matter how much their victims have served the country. Kerry was actually in Vietnam whereas BUSH and ChickenshitCheney took deferments. Wesley Clark didn’t agree with Bush’s plan for Iraq either. But every single time a soldier disagrees with the policies of this corrupt administration, the REICHWING TRAITOROUS CRIMINALS come out with their smear tactics.
I want to personally thank I-RIGHT-I for staying true to form and proving to me what a great American Patriot and Soldier Gen. Zinni must be. Anyone I-RIGHT-I and the other REICHWING NAZI TRAITORS hate must really care about Americans.
April 3rd, 2006 at 1:21 amTo I -RIGHT-I;Limbo has a nice thick cigar for you.Go on along now ya Brownshirt ya.
April 3rd, 2006 at 1:53 amWe, the soldiers, knew 15 years ago that we’d be going back to Iraq because Stormin Normin wasn’t allowed to finish the job in the first place. Guess who’s watch we were under during that blunder? Answer: DaddyReichWingBush. But he was smart. He knew the only way to keep his dumber than snot Son of a Bush in office was to go back and attempt to finish what he failed to accomplish the first time around…a day late and a dollar short. Being in Iraq now is like kicking a three legged dog.
“If you remember the Vietnam war, we had no international legitimacy for what we did. As a result we, first of all, lost the battle of world public opinion and eventually we lost the battle at home” — General Norman Schwarzkopf
Stormin’ Norm rips Rumsfeld
April 3rd, 2006 at 3:15 amhttp://www.nydailynews.com/ 12-14-2004/ news/ story/ 261966p-224309c.html
GOOD
April 3rd, 2006 at 4:18 am“And it’s hard to blame the media for no good stories when the security situation is such that they can’t even go out and get the good stories without risking their lives. ” Well hold on there Pilgrim, I’ll bet if given the chance and a pearl handled revolver Bill O’Riley would get out of that old green zone to get the story.
April 3rd, 2006 at 6:15 am“And it’s hard to blame the media for no good stories when the security situation is such that they can’t even go out and get the good stories without risking their lives. †Well hold on there Pilgrim, I’ll bet if given the chance and a pearl handled revolver Bill O’Riley would get out of that old green zone to get the story.
Comment by Liberal Texas Democrat — April 3, 2006 @ 6:15 am
In 1989, O’Reilly joined the nationally syndicated Fox Network’s Inside Edition, a tabloid-style current affairs television program. In 1995, O’Reilly was replaced by former NBC News and CBS News anchor Deborah Norville on Inside Edition and enrolled at the John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University, where he received a Master’s Degree in Public Administration. Upon leaving Harvard, Roger Ailes, chairman and CEO of the then startup FOX News Channel, hired O’Reilly to anchor The O’Reilly Report, which aired weeknights. The nascent channel’s most popular show was renamed to The O’Reilly Factor when it moved to a later time slot in 1998 since the host was the main “factor” of the show.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_O‘Reilly_(commentator)
So in other words, Bill O’Reilly, gossip collumnist, went from selling lies about movie stars to selling lies for the ReichWingPoliticians after they properly educated him in ReichWingPropaganda. So you honestly think this glorified gossip collumnist, Bill O’Reilly, would ride into Iraq on his ReichWing white horse with guns blazing?
Wanna buy a bridge?
April 3rd, 2006 at 7:15 amExcellent post #81 Plunger! Once again it goes to show that the REICHWINGERS will deliberately VILLIFY and DEMONIZE ANYONE that so much as questions their agenda. This is how REICHWINGERS respond anytime there is a call for transparency in their actions, whether foreign or domestic. That proves one thing, REICHWINGERS are not to be trusted, period!
April 3rd, 2006 at 8:19 amWhich reminds me… How was your ‘breakfast’?
Comment by unbelievable
It turned out to be cold pizza.
April 3rd, 2006 at 9:11 amDidn’t click my link did you IRI. Course not. Your just here to get everyone to take you seriously and actually respond to you.
Don’t argue with fools folks.
Comment by Clemsy
I took a look,it’s his army record, so what? It’s full of the usual stops for politicians making they way up the ranks, nothing special. This did stand out though…
“From 1994 to 1996, he served as the Commanding General, I Marine Expeditionary Force. During early 1995, General Zinni served as Commander of the Combined Task Force for Operation UNITED SHIELD, protecting the withdrawal of U.N. forces from Somalia. ”
He commanded Clinton’s hasty and bloody retreat from Somalia. I bet he’s real proud of that. Zinni must be French or maybe Spanish. I’m glad he’s on your side, I wouldn’t want him watching my back.
April 3rd, 2006 at 9:28 amWhat I found disconcerting was…
…taht knowing all he knows about Bushiva and L’il Dick’s cherry picking of intelligence and lies to go to war…
…Zinni STILL wouldn’t say that Bushiva and L’il Dick should resign (be held accountable)…
April 3rd, 2006 at 10:03 amI wouldn’t want him watching my back.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — April 3, 2006 @ 9:28 am
You mean under your bed with you don’t ya boy
April 3rd, 2006 at 10:38 am“So in other words, Bill O’Reilly, gossip collumnist, went from selling lies about movie stars to selling lies for the ReichWingPoliticians after they properly educated him in ReichWingPropaganda. So you honestly think this glorified gossip collumnist, Bill O’Reilly, would ride into Iraq on his ReichWing white horse with guns blazing?
Wanna buy a bridge?
Comment by ExposingReichWingers — April 3, 2006 @ 7:15 am”
Hmmm, sarcasm, sense of humor, oh never mind!
April 3rd, 2006 at 10:46 amIt’s interesting that I-Right-I brings up Somalia.
There was only the noblest of intentions: To stop a famine which had killed hundreds of thousands of people, and to try to help tens of thousands who were in danger of dying. There was no material or strategic gain in it at all for the US.
You could say it was the Christian thing to do.
And that’s why the Right wingers hate it. It sticks in their craw because inside they only feel pettiness, vindicitiveness, anger and hatred. They are selfish and grasping. They are only Christians in the most perverted sense.
They grudgingly went along with Bush and then when Clinton had to extricate us from the mess, they gleefully used it to attack him (and continue to do so) and scream against the dangers of nation-building. All of which they conveniently forgot — no, they wilfully ignored it — in the runup to the illegal war in Iraq.
You trolls disgust me.
April 3rd, 2006 at 11:13 amRE: #30 and #89
I-Right_I
First, you are hereby renamed “Wrong-Always-Wrong”
Second, answer this question - is General Norman Schwarzkopf a “traitor?”
In addition to the post mention in #77 - you should also read the article “Desert Caution” ( 1/28/2003 ) http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A52450-2003Jan27
I will provide you with some excerpts. First, Schwarzkopf is described as a loyal Republican. ” He hunts with the first President Bush. He campaigned for the second … ”
However, regarding Rumsfeld … “Rumsfeld, by contrast, worries him. ‘ It’s scary, okay? ‘ he says. ” Let’s face it: There are guys at the Pentagon who have been involved in operational planning for their entire lives, okay? … And for this wisdom, acquired during many operations, wars, schools, for that just to be ignored and in its place have somebody who doesn’t have any of that training is of concern.’ ”
Schwarzkopf said this in early 2003. Essentailly the same thing Zinni is saying now. So is Schwarzkopf a “traitor” too?
Question #3 - You have a respected and battle tested general bluntly stating in this article that Rumsfeld is ” overly enamored of air power and high technology and insufficiently attentive to the brutal difficulties of ground combat. ”
Why do you continue to support G.W. Bush when he clearly ignored crystal clear, spot on advice from a respected general who is also a loyal member of his own party?
A real Commander in Chief would have done the proper thing and - at a minimum - respected Schwarzkopf’s insight and reigned Rumsfeld in, or more optimally - kicked Rumsfeld to the curb.
“Wrong-Always-Wrong,” we know that deep down inside you really don’t care about any of this stuff. You’re the type of guy who likes throwing a beer bottle into a crowd of people before dashing to your car and speeding away.
But if I am wrong about what I just said - put your life where your mouth is. The 501st Special Troops Battalion, 101st Airborne Division recently lost a man. Contact the recruitment office in Pikeville, KY and tell them that you want to take that man’s place. I look forward to you proving Generals Zinni and Schwarzkopf wrong about Iraq all by yourself.
Good Luck.
April 3rd, 2006 at 11:27 am#92,
he can’t answer anything. he’ll come back with some kindergarten tantrum throwing comment. he thinks he knows but has no idea.
April 3rd, 2006 at 2:47 pmA real Commander in Chief would have done the proper thing and - at a minimum - respected Schwarzkopf’s insight and reigned Rumsfeld in, or more optimally - kicked Rumsfeld to the curb.
Comment by Killer Whale
A real President and Fearless Leader of our armed forces listens to every credible source and makes a decision. You insist that he didn’t give Norman’s opinions their proper weight and do what the Filthy Left has always wanted to do about Saddam, Iraq and the Middle East…which is nothing. Storm’n Norman may be quite a commander himself, a hell of a warrior but that doesn’t make him the last word on the War in Iraq or a capable tactical in Realpolitik.
Like Zinni, Norman was wrong in 2003 to suggest that we should wait for the “allies” (who were stabbing us in the back at the time) to form a coalition. Basically Norm and Zinni were quite prepared to let Germany, France, Russia and Red China dictate our foreign policy and military strategy. It never crossed his mind that they would put their own economic considerations ahead of international security. My guess is Norman would not say the same things now that he did in 2003 but as we can see even with the benefit of hindsight Zinni would. Zinni the ninny. Zinni the jew hating left wing fucktstick. Zinni the would be running mate for the failed presidential bid of John Kerry, another left wing fuctard and traitor to his country.
I repeat, the article you quote is from 2003 and a lot has happened in the past three years to prove their insight wrong and Bush & Co right. I’d say Bush was correct in listening to his own advisors and not retired army generals who are on the liberal cocktail party circuit or looking for campaign contributions.
By the way, it’s left wing tumblefucks like you that use the methods of mindless violence and shun any real attempts of reasoned argument in favor os shouting down your opponents., not I. Neither do I throw beer bottles, even at losers but, I would like to put my size 12 ClueBoot upside your ass for suggesting such a thing.
April 3rd, 2006 at 5:33 pmI feel so sorry for you.
You are so lost.
Why do you even come here? You aren’t going to change anyone’s mind. Your arguments are usually irrational, often factually incorrect, and if anything just prove the dearth of your character and dented integrity over and over.
Such small people, you trolls.
April 3rd, 2006 at 6:01 pmIRI runs the typical rant of the person who enjoys the security of being out of range. One of the myriad assholes you meet who were disappointed they didn’t get a chance to fight because a) their number wasn’t called, b) their deferments were all approved, or c) they were in college or had other priorities that kept them, AND STILL PREVENT THEM from enlisting and acting like the patriots they want everyone to think they are.
You have the freakin’ nerve to criticize a Marine Corps general because he doesn’t agree with your little tin dictator? Where the fuck have you ever fought and what great thing have you done for your country? Nothing except playback the GOP talking points and slander a good soldier.
BTW, when we’re talking about all the money Saddam threw around, you might want to check the connections between the BUSH CRIME FAMILY and Saddam. Poppy took out Noriega to keep him quiet about old Wimpy’s complicity in Iran-contra drug deals, Dubya got rid of Saddam, and allowed looters to destroy records, to ensure his family’s connections to Saddam, which are more extensive than Saddam’s connections to Osama bin Laden, never see the light of day.
The only meaning national security has for these people is keeping secrets about what they are up to so the nation as a whole doesn’t lynch them.
April 3rd, 2006 at 6:19 pmGuys, I keep on calling on IRI to enlist, but he refuses. This proves that he’s just another cowardly chickenhawk who doesn’t have the balls to put his body where his mouth(asshole?)is. OK tough guy, since you are too much of a craven coward to enlist, go into a VFW and tell THEM they’re treasonous fucktards if they think we should get out of Iraq. They will tear you a new asshole.
April 3rd, 2006 at 6:56 pmRe: #94
Wrong-Always-Wrong
I know my size 12 McRaes will demolish your punk ass before your Cinderella slippers even leave the ground.
Anyway, you never responded to my invitation to join the Screaming Eagles.
Put your life where your mouth is.
Do you need me to provide the phone number for you?
April 3rd, 2006 at 7:05 pmFirst, us lefties are called ” tree hugging pacifists ” by certain memebers of the right for having problems with either the march to war or the execution of the war or the war itself.
Then this I-Right-I nut says the left frequently resorts to “mindless violence.”
It is almost like he is claiming the existence of left leaning skin heads.
Wow. What Bullshit.
April 3rd, 2006 at 7:21 pmDidn’t click my link did you IRI. Course not. Your just here to get everyone to take you seriously and actually respond to you.
Don’t argue with fools folks.
Comment by Clemsy
I took a look,it’s his army record, so what? It’s full of the usual stops for politicians making they way up the ranks, nothing special. This did stand out though…
“From 1994 to 1996, he served as the Commanding General, I Marine Expeditionary Force. During early 1995, General Zinni served as Commander of the Combined Task Force for Operation UNITED SHIELD, protecting the withdrawal of U.N. forces from Somalia. â€
He commanded Clinton’s hasty and bloody retreat from Somalia. I bet he’s real proud of that. Zinni must be French or maybe Spanish. I’m glad he’s on your side, I wouldn’t want him watching my back.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — April 3, 2006 @ 9:28 am
Hey I-REICH-I, get the hell out of our country you racist traitorous dirtbag. You have no loyality to anything even remotely American. You prefer to support a pack of lying, murderous, thieves i.e. George Bush and his cronies. You were born in the wrong day and age. Stalin, Hitler, and Mao would have appreciated your brand of loyalty.
April 3rd, 2006 at 11:33 pmI-R-I is a greaser like greasy Tom Delay.
April 4th, 2006 at 2:35 amZinni must be French or maybe Spanish. I’m glad he’s on your side,
Comment by I-RIGHT-I —
Of course, it’s only to be expected that our resident armchair warrior/chickenhawk , I-WRONG-I, would attack Zinni or any other person with bonafide military experience who criticizes his fellow chickenhawks AWOL-even from the “champagne unit of the National Guard Dumbya and 5-deferment Dickhead.
April 4th, 2006 at 4:05 amIncidentally, it’s easy enough to find out that Zinni is of Italian descent; the name doesn’t sound at all French to me. And in what is supposed to be a melting pot nation, such ethnic/national background shouldn’t mean of anything in the first place.
Hmmm, Let’s see. Zinni was in charge of Central Command for three years. Sounds like someone undeniably better qualified than, well, certainly everyone here, to have an opinion on the matter.
IRI, put the bong down.
April 4th, 2006 at 5:47 amHmmm, Let’s see. Zinni was in charge of Central Command for three years. Sounds like someone undeniably better qualified than, well, certainly everyone here, to have an opinion on the matter.
IRI, put the bong down.
Comment by Clemsy
Benedict Arnold was a graduate of West Point and a hero in the French and Indian wars. Anything else you’d like to discuss?
April 4th, 2006 at 10:11 pm#106 I-WRONG-I,
April 5th, 2006 at 6:48 amYour comment only proves that Benedict Arnold had military expertise. You have provided absolutely no information or proof that Zinni sold out to some enemy, and I’m afraid no one here except some of your fellow reichwing trolls believe that criticism of an administration ruled by chickenhawks with generally no military experience is treasonous. After all, Thomas Jefferson, a man much smarter and nobler than you, said, “Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.”
In any case, isn’t it about time that you put your fat ass where your big mouth is and join the military? And if, you’re deemed too old, how about your over-20 children?
[…] Actually, this may be the sixth general. Generals Newbold, Eaton, Zinni, and Batiste have gained prominent attention in calling for Rumsfeld’s resignation. But another less-noticed general, Ret. Army Gen. John Riggs, told the Washington Post recently: [Riggs] believes that his peer group is “a pretty closemouthed bunch” but that, even so, his sense is “everyone pretty much thinks Rumsfeld and the bunch around him should be cleared out.” […]
April 13th, 2006 at 5:17 pm[…] Van Riper follows the calls of Generals Swannack, Newbold, Eaton, Zinni, Batiste, Riggs, and Clark. […]
April 24th, 2006 at 3:14 pm