Comments on: VIDEO: Gen. Zinni Calls on Rumsfeld and Others to Resign for ‘Disastrous Mistakes’ in Iraq http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/02/zinni-rumsfeld/ Fri, 27 Nov 2009 00:51:44 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: IntoxiNation » Blog Archive » When Generals Speak The Truth http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/02/zinni-rumsfeld/comment-page-2/#comment-650312 IntoxiNation » Blog Archive » When Generals Speak The Truth Fri, 30 Jun 2006 19:29:06 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/02/zinni-rumsfeld/#comment-650312 [...] The former head of US Central Command had some great things to tell Tim Russert this morning. Now if anyone will listen it will be a first: (Video and transcript available at Think Progress) Zinni, who headed the US Central Command from 1997 to 2000, was asked if anyone should lose their job over how Washington has managed its Iraq policy. [...] [...] The former head of US Central Command had some great things to tell Tim Russert this morning. Now if anyone will listen it will be a first: (Video and transcript available at Think Progress) Zinni, who headed the US Central Command from 1997 to 2000, was asked if anyone should lose their job over how Washington has managed its Iraq policy. [...]

]]> By: The Great Society :: U.S. Military Shifting from “Victory” to “Containment” :: May :: 2006 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/02/zinni-rumsfeld/comment-page-1/#comment-568933 The Great Society :: U.S. Military Shifting from “Victory” to “Containment” :: May :: 2006 Tue, 23 May 2006 07:33:14 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/02/zinni-rumsfeld/#comment-568933 [...] As the situation on the ground in Iraq deteriorates, history will reflect on this war as a strategic failure. That responsibility rests solely on the shoulders of the civilian leadership and their poor planning, management and lack of real leadership. Our armed forces fought bravely in a war that evidence continues to suggest was based on lies and deception. America’s fighting men and women did the job they were sent to do and did so courageously. General Anthony Zinni remarked on NBC’s Meet the Press on April 2nd: There’s a series of disastrous mistakes. We just heard the Secretary of State say these were tactical mistakes. These were not tactical mistakes. These were strategic mistakes, mistakes of policies made back here. Don’t blame the troops. They’ve been magnificent. If anything saves us, it will be them. [...] [...] As the situation on the ground in Iraq deteriorates, history will reflect on this war as a strategic failure. That responsibility rests solely on the shoulders of the civilian leadership and their poor planning, management and lack of real leadership. Our armed forces fought bravely in a war that evidence continues to suggest was based on lies and deception. America’s fighting men and women did the job they were sent to do and did so courageously. General Anthony Zinni remarked on NBC’s Meet the Press on April 2nd: There’s a series of disastrous mistakes. We just heard the Secretary of State say these were tactical mistakes. These were not tactical mistakes. These were strategic mistakes, mistakes of policies made back here. Don’t blame the troops. They’ve been magnificent. If anything saves us, it will be them. [...]

]]> By: mcoats1 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/02/zinni-rumsfeld/comment-page-1/#comment-510970 mcoats1 Tue, 18 Apr 2006 22:07:25 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/02/zinni-rumsfeld/#comment-510970 Hey, he’s an opportunist and a pussy. What can I say. Thirty five years of service doesn’t mean shit. One day you’ll have thirty five years of service and trust me when I say…it won’t mean shit. Why? Because you’re a loser, just like Sinni. Sounds like Sunni doesn’t it. I think what we have here is a home grown traitor like Taliban John and Teddy Kennedy. Comment by I-RIGHT-I — April 2, 2006 @ 7:32 pm Thirty five years of service doesn’t mean shit. Yeah, support those troops I-RIGHT-I. You have gotta have 15 of those little yellow ribbon magnets with that attitude. You are a super patriot. When did you say your enlistment date was again? Come on guys...we ALL know people like I-RIGHT-I. All mouth...no heart. Hell...the president and the vast majority of his staff are like I-RIGHT-I. Big 'ol pussies...no balls...neutered. You know...real worthless peices of crap when it comes time to step up. Just look at the rest of the crew.....Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, Cheny, Ferle, Fife,...it goes on forever. Not a one o these "heros" ever picked up a gun to defend the country they CLAIM to love....and every damn one of 'em had the chance. Most of 'em bent over backwards to AVOID service when called. And yet the hard right follow these people. Why? Birds of a feather flock together is why. These pussies would rather talk tough, and then let others fight the fight. If our shores ever are invaded, I'll take one Zinni, Kerry, Glenn, Cleland, Murtha, or their "liberal" pals fighting beside me over thousands of the I-RIGHT-I Pussy types. Cause you Just KNOW when the fighting starts and THEY are in danger, you will look beside you and they will be gone......other priorities don't ya know. Hey, he’s an opportunist and a pussy. What can I say. Thirty five years of service doesn’t mean shit. One day you’ll have thirty five years of service and trust me when I say…it won’t mean shit. Why? Because you’re a loser, just like Sinni. Sounds like Sunni doesn’t it. I think what we have here is a home grown traitor like Taliban John and Teddy Kennedy.

Comment by I-RIGHT-I — April 2, 2006 @ 7:32 pm

Thirty five years of service doesn’t mean shit.

Yeah, support those troops I-RIGHT-I. You have gotta have 15 of those little yellow ribbon magnets with that attitude. You are a super patriot.

When did you say your enlistment date was again?

Come on guys…we ALL know people like I-RIGHT-I. All mouth…no heart. Hell…the president and the vast majority of his staff are like I-RIGHT-I. Big ‘ol pussies…no balls…neutered. You know…real worthless peices of crap when it comes time to step up. Just look at the rest of the crew…..Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, Cheny, Ferle, Fife,…it goes on forever. Not a one o these “heros” ever picked up a gun to defend the country they CLAIM to love….and every damn one of ‘em had the chance. Most of ‘em bent over backwards to AVOID service when called.

And yet the hard right follow these people. Why? Birds of a feather flock together is why. These pussies would rather talk tough, and then let others fight the fight. If our shores ever are invaded, I’ll take one Zinni, Kerry, Glenn, Cleland, Murtha, or their “liberal” pals fighting beside me over thousands of the I-RIGHT-I Pussy types. Cause you Just KNOW when the fighting starts and THEY are in danger, you will look beside you and they will be gone……other priorities don’t ya know.

]]> By: Rob http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/02/zinni-rumsfeld/comment-page-1/#comment-506973 Rob Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:07:28 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/02/zinni-rumsfeld/#comment-506973 I do hope Rummy gets kicked out or walks out, but cutting off the rotting limb does not kill the body. In other words the administration will still be there and they will go ahead with whatever they want to do regardless. As for democracy in Irak, it can't happen. The islamic countries culturally and historically cannot be democracies. This is not a light switch that you turn on and instantly you have a democracy. The Irakis don't even know what one is. I do hope Rummy gets kicked out or walks out, but cutting off the rotting limb does not kill the body. In other words the administration will still be there and they will go ahead with whatever they want to do regardless. As for democracy in Irak, it can’t happen. The islamic countries culturally and historically cannot be democracies. This is not a light switch that you turn on and instantly you have a democracy. The Irakis don’t even know what one is.

]]> By: Cloudy Thinking » Blog Archive » Gen. Zinni: no solid proof Saddam had WMD http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/02/zinni-rumsfeld/comment-page-1/#comment-496185 Cloudy Thinking » Blog Archive » Gen. Zinni: no solid proof Saddam had WMD Wed, 05 Apr 2006 05:02:22 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/02/zinni-rumsfeld/#comment-496185 [...] Zinni recently appeared on Meet the Press. [...] [...] Zinni recently appeared on Meet the Press. [...]

]]> By: I-RIGHT-I http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/02/zinni-rumsfeld/comment-page-1/#comment-496016 I-RIGHT-I Wed, 05 Apr 2006 02:26:03 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/02/zinni-rumsfeld/#comment-496016 Regardless of what you think about the justifications to invade Iraq ( I think we were lied to) when you read about the planning the Bush administration ignored the phrase criminally negligent springs to mind. Comment by Chicago 1234 You try to fight an enemy that poses the struggle as a holy war without enflaming what little moderation and reason exists among the billions of adherents and see how you do. You were lied to and that's a fact. "You" were lied to in ever war of life and death that has ever been fought. The fact that you didn't see through it and understand only mitigates for the correctness of the lie. As I've said a hundred times to you losers..."There are some people that don't deserve the truth." Regardless of what you think about the justifications to invade Iraq ( I think we were lied to) when you read about the planning the Bush administration ignored the phrase criminally negligent springs to mind.

Comment by Chicago 1234

You try to fight an enemy that poses the struggle as a holy war without enflaming what little moderation and reason exists among the billions of adherents and see how you do. You were lied to and that’s a fact. “You” were lied to in ever war of life and death that has ever been fought. The fact that you didn’t see through it and understand only mitigates for the correctness of the lie. As I’ve said a hundred times to you losers…”There are some people that don’t deserve the truth.”

]]> By: ReidBlog http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/02/zinni-rumsfeld/comment-page-1/#comment-495013 ReidBlog Tue, 04 Apr 2006 05:23:51 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/02/zinni-rumsfeld/#comment-495013 <strong>Russert's one-two punch...</strong> I've been critical of MTP's Tim Russert in the past. He has a tendency of being way too soft on the GOP. But maybe getting fingered as the guy who "really" outed Valerie Plame (by Karl Rove) has lit a fire under him.... Russert’s one-two punch…

I’ve been critical of MTP’s Tim Russert in the past. He has a tendency of being way too soft on the GOP. But maybe getting fingered as the guy who “really” outed Valerie Plame (by Karl Rove) has lit a fire under him….

]]> By: Chicago 1234 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/02/zinni-rumsfeld/comment-page-1/#comment-494933 Chicago 1234 Tue, 04 Apr 2006 03:22:54 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/02/zinni-rumsfeld/#comment-494933 First I was surprised to read a comment expressing surprise the US military had been war gaming for a possible invasion of Iraq. War gaming is a big part of what generals and senior level officers do. My main comment though is if you want to read how the current administration ignored all the professional advice from the generals etc on what it would take to occupy Iraq I suggest you read Blind into Baghdad by James Fallows from the Atlantic Monthly of February 2004. Not sure if non subscribers can read it but here is the link. http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200401/fallows Regardless of what you think about the justifications to invade Iraq ( I think we were lied to) when you read about the planning the Bush administration ignored the phrase criminally negligent springs to mind. First I was surprised to read a comment expressing surprise the US military had been war gaming for a possible invasion of Iraq. War gaming is a big part of what generals and senior level officers do.
My main comment though is if you want to read how the current administration ignored all the professional advice from the generals etc on what it would take to occupy Iraq I suggest you read Blind into Baghdad by James Fallows from the Atlantic Monthly of February 2004. Not sure if non subscribers can read it but here is the link.
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200401/fallows

Regardless of what you think about the justifications to invade Iraq ( I think we were lied to) when you read about the planning the Bush administration ignored the phrase criminally negligent springs to mind.

]]> By: Ross http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/02/zinni-rumsfeld/comment-page-1/#comment-494834 Ross Tue, 04 Apr 2006 00:26:13 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/02/zinni-rumsfeld/#comment-494834 Now that it's obvious that the USA is setting up 'permanent' airfields in Iraq, inside heavily fortified compounds & using ground troops as a defence shield the size of a smaller city, we (the rest of the world) can see not only that Iran is next, but that you will then control the oilfields in those two countries.....for your own standard of living. So, although there are 300 million of you, there are 6 300 million of us, and you'd better believe your foreign policy is losing friends and colleagues 'out here' pretty fast. Not to mention how badly the locals are going to take being occupied until the [oil] well runs dry....which could be up to 100 years. I mean, use the Palestinians as a possible profile of people who have had their land taken by force by people of another religion. It's clear that the more selfish and less educated Republicans don't give a rat's butt about anyone else, so the question is - what are the normal humans in the USA going to do, now that the gorilla has got loose and is destroying things? Please don't tell me that this was about removing that moron Hussein - there are now as many deaths, tortures, secret police actions as before his retirement, and there are more damaged hospitals, schools, electricity and water plants, and a whole shitload more terrorists than when he was dictating. It's up to you folks, I cannot vote in your elections. R. Now that it’s obvious that the USA is setting up ‘permanent’ airfields in Iraq, inside heavily fortified compounds & using ground troops as a defence shield the size of a smaller city, we (the rest of the world) can see not only that Iran is next, but that you will then control the oilfields in those two countries…..for your own standard of living.

So, although there are 300 million of you, there are 6 300 million of us, and you’d better believe your foreign policy is losing friends and colleagues ‘out here’ pretty fast.

Not to mention how badly the locals are going to take being occupied until the [oil] well runs dry….which could be up to 100 years. I mean, use the Palestinians as a possible profile of people who have had their land taken by force by people of another religion.

It’s clear that the more selfish and less educated Republicans don’t give a rat’s butt about anyone else, so the question is – what are the normal humans in the USA going to do, now that the gorilla has got loose and is destroying things?

Please don’t tell me that this was about removing that moron Hussein – there are now as many deaths, tortures, secret police actions as before his retirement, and there are more damaged hospitals, schools, electricity and water plants, and a whole shitload more terrorists than when he was dictating.

It’s up to you folks, I cannot vote in your elections.

R.

]]> By: Bill Wertman http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/02/zinni-rumsfeld/comment-page-1/#comment-494635 Bill Wertman Mon, 03 Apr 2006 19:43:06 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/02/zinni-rumsfeld/#comment-494635 Amazing how many Republicans and "conservatives" who never put in one day in uniform will trash the service of any one who actually was there. John McCain, Max Cleland, Kerry, Gore, Clark, Shinsheki, Zinni and counting. As with Joe McCarthy -- at long last, have you no shame? Amazing how many Republicans and “conservatives” who never put in one day in uniform will trash the service of any one who actually was there. John McCain, Max Cleland, Kerry, Gore, Clark, Shinsheki, Zinni and counting.

As with Joe McCarthy — at long last, have you no shame?

]]> By: bs http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/02/zinni-rumsfeld/comment-page-1/#comment-494575 bs Mon, 03 Apr 2006 18:55:19 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/02/zinni-rumsfeld/#comment-494575 http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Rothschild.htm just would like to post this again. i've been mentioning rothchilds for sometime and the power they have. with noone commenting back wasn't sure if anyone was up to date on these zionists. http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Rothschild.htm

just would like to post this again. i’ve been mentioning rothchilds for sometime and the power they have. with noone commenting back wasn’t sure if anyone was up to date on these zionists.

]]> By: bs http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/02/zinni-rumsfeld/comment-page-1/#comment-494570 bs Mon, 03 Apr 2006 18:52:28 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/02/zinni-rumsfeld/#comment-494570 zinni, murtha need to get together and just rip these folks a new one without holding anything back.. first get an underground bunker (private) to stay away from faux security,lol and the possibility of getting whacked by bushco. zinni, murtha need to get together and just rip these folks a new one without holding anything back.. first get an underground bunker (private) to stay away from faux security,lol and the possibility of getting whacked by bushco.

]]> By: Draft Zinni! http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/02/zinni-rumsfeld/comment-page-1/#comment-494373 Draft Zinni! Mon, 03 Apr 2006 15:57:28 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/02/zinni-rumsfeld/#comment-494373 <strong>Anthony Zinni on Meet the Press...</strong> I'm going to write something a little more substantive in a little bit on Zinni's appearance on Meet the Press, but I wanted to quickly say two things. 1) Zinni's outspoken opposition to the war is not new and neither are his calls for Rumsfeld's r... Anthony Zinni on Meet the Press…

I’m going to write something a little more substantive in a little bit on Zinni’s appearance on Meet the Press, but I wanted to quickly say two things.
1) Zinni’s outspoken opposition to the war is not new and neither are his calls for Rumsfeld’s r…

]]> By: George Matus http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/02/zinni-rumsfeld/comment-page-1/#comment-494176 George Matus Mon, 03 Apr 2006 11:20:15 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/02/zinni-rumsfeld/#comment-494176 <strong>In my opinion Rumsfeld, Cheny, Wolfowitz, Armitage and Bremer are mostly responsible for this fiasco. But, on a larger scale the war should never have been. The person most responsible is George W. Bush. He should be impeached and then put on trial for war crimes/and or crimes against humanity. George Matus, Munhall, Pa. 15120</strong> In my opinion Rumsfeld, Cheny, Wolfowitz, Armitage and Bremer are mostly responsible for this fiasco. But, on a larger scale the war should never have been. The person most responsible is George W. Bush. He should be impeached and then put on trial for war crimes/and or crimes against humanity.
George Matus, Munhall, Pa. 15120

]]> By: Moderates from South Dakota » Blog Archive » Former General Calls for Rumsfeld’s Resignation http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/02/zinni-rumsfeld/comment-page-1/#comment-494174 Moderates from South Dakota » Blog Archive » Former General Calls for Rumsfeld’s Resignation Mon, 03 Apr 2006 11:12:02 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/02/zinni-rumsfeld/#comment-494174 [...] Former Generals are usually not in the habit of calling out their bosses but by the tone of the interview, Zinni sure didn’t seem impressed with those calling the shots. See the transcript and video on Think Progress. [...] [...] Former Generals are usually not in the habit of calling out their bosses but by the tone of the interview, Zinni sure didn’t seem impressed with those calling the shots. See the transcript and video on Think Progress. [...]

]]> By: Bruce Gorton http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/02/zinni-rumsfeld/comment-page-1/#comment-494134 Bruce Gorton Mon, 03 Apr 2006 06:22:23 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/02/zinni-rumsfeld/#comment-494134 WMD http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shockwave/wh_rock.htm WMD

http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shockwave/wh_rock.htm

]]> By: snewp http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/02/zinni-rumsfeld/comment-page-1/#comment-494085 snewp Mon, 03 Apr 2006 04:11:05 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/02/zinni-rumsfeld/#comment-494085 i drop into T.P. once in awhile and on every thread is the same troll. you guys all keep him well nourished. stop feeding him. even banning him would be good. i dont mind an ideological or even doctrinaire conservative who is civil, but this guy is just purely trolling, why keep him around? i drop into T.P. once in awhile and on every thread is the same troll.

you guys all keep him well nourished. stop feeding him.

even banning him would be good.

i dont mind an ideological or even doctrinaire conservative who is civil, but this guy is just purely trolling, why keep him around?

]]> By: Eargy Earpp http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/02/zinni-rumsfeld/comment-page-1/#comment-494083 Eargy Earpp Mon, 03 Apr 2006 04:07:39 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/02/zinni-rumsfeld/#comment-494083 Zinni must have said something accurate. The attacks are on him and not what he said, because there is nothing that he said that can be refuted. Thereby, the name calling and personal attacks from the trolls and others. What a tantrum! Zinni must have said something accurate.

The attacks are on him and not what he said, because there is nothing that he said that can be refuted. Thereby, the name calling and personal attacks from the trolls and others.

What a tantrum!

]]> By: mparker http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/02/zinni-rumsfeld/comment-page-1/#comment-494069 mparker Mon, 03 Apr 2006 03:27:01 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/02/zinni-rumsfeld/#comment-494069 Resignation is far too good for these criminals. War Criminals that is. They should have been impeached years ago for their treason. Resignation is far too good for these criminals. War Criminals that is. They should have been impeached years ago for their treason.

]]> By: I’m insecure. - Brokekid.net http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/02/zinni-rumsfeld/comment-page-1/#comment-494021 I’m insecure. - Brokekid.net Mon, 03 Apr 2006 01:57:30 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/02/zinni-rumsfeld/#comment-494021 [...] Gen. Zinni Calls on Rumsfeld and Others to Resign for ‘Disastrous Mistakes’ in Iraq [...] [...] Gen. Zinni Calls on Rumsfeld and Others to Resign for ‘Disastrous Mistakes’ in Iraq [...]

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