Leading Neocon: ‘Biggest Lesson’ of War is the ‘Ingratitude of the Iraqis’
Leading Neocon: ‘Biggest Lesson’ of War is the ‘Ingratitude of the Iraqis’
Neoconservative commentator Daniel Pipes was among the most fervent cheerleaders for the Iraq war. In essays and speeches, Pipes consistently predicted the “war in Iraq will lead to a reduction in terrorism” and the spread of regional democracy. (For this, Bush rewarded Pipes with a controversial recess appointment to the U.S. Institute for Peace.)
Now — three years, $300 billion, 2,300+ U.S. lives, and one anarchic civil war later — Pipes has learned an important lesson.
Q: What is the biggest lesson you have learned from the Iraq war?
A: The ingratitude of the Iraqis for the extraordinary favor we gave them — to release them from the bondage of Saddam Hussein’s tyranny. They have rapidly interpreted it as something they did and that we were incidental to it. They’ve more or less written us out of the picture.
To be fair, in Pipes’ world view, this does make some sense. Iraqis should be gracious for what’s happened in their country, since it’s been such a “success.”
Q: How will we know when the occupation or the invasion of Iraq was a success or a failure?
A: Oh, it was a success. We got rid of Saddam Hussein. Beyond that is icing.
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Typical PNAC attitude–just get rid of Saddam, don’t bother helping the Iraqis.
April 4th, 2006 at 2:05 pmWould this be the same tyranny we were happy with, while it served our interests?
Just curious…
April 4th, 2006 at 2:08 pmOh Wow. I don’t think you could have picked a scarier photo of Him.
April 4th, 2006 at 2:10 pmI saw him speak, pretty good, now where near as loony as the drum circles out side tried to make him out to be.
April 4th, 2006 at 2:11 pmI’m sure we ‘mericans would be really grateful if some other country came in and “liberated” us with bombs ‘n’ stuff.
April 4th, 2006 at 2:12 pmWhen you’re stuck in your own ideology, you don’t bother with outside realities, such as what affect decades of repression and ethnic/religious differneces might have on the Iraqi’s ability to take advantage of Sadaam’s ousting.
April 4th, 2006 at 2:13 pmI think we have see Satan personified.
April 4th, 2006 at 2:13 pmThis blockheaded neo-con needs to get his little pink ass over to Iraq right this instant and demand a thank you from those ingrates. The Iraqis wil be happy to bathe him in the blood of thousands of innocent women and children who he helped murder.
April 4th, 2006 at 2:14 pmNot Loony? Tell this stupid son of a gun to crawl back into his cave and stay there. Make him live for three years in a lawless anarcy without running water, electricity, medicine, schools, jobs and very little food and see how grateful he is for the opportunity.!
By the way what is a PNAC? Is it an intelligent life form?
April 4th, 2006 at 2:15 pmIf the goal was to prevent any possible WMD program from developing in Iraq then our “plan” has been a major success. The Iraqis can’t even form a government, let alone set into motion a WMD program. Pity about the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis who have to die, though. Oh well. C’est la vie. Or, rather, c’est la mort.
Speaking of, we’ve also deregulated torture! No longer is Saddam a monopoly in that department. Free markets rule! I’m sure the Iraqis are enjoying their invisible handjob.
And small government folks can rejoice, too. Iraq is a libertarian paradise! Man, I wish I could live there instead of in this socialist nightmare we call the United States.
April 4th, 2006 at 2:15 pmReally now…This BOZO expects Iraqi’s to be grateful that we’ve bombed their country back to the middle ages, killed 50,000 to 100,000 of their fellow citizens….And they didn’t even have ANYTHING to do with 9/11!!!!
Go figure.
April 4th, 2006 at 2:17 pm“They’ve {Iraqis} more or less written us out of the picture.”
April 4th, 2006 at 2:17 pm– - Then apparently the Vanguard Group keeps editing the script and writing us back in because we not only are in the picture, we’re the frame too.
#10, the bon mot here is c’est le guerre.
April 4th, 2006 at 2:19 pmRubbish. Pipes is no “neo-con”. He’s a neo-con wannabe. He doesn’t hang with Wolfowitz and Perle and Cohen.
April 4th, 2006 at 2:21 pmJust when we think they (neocons) can’t sink to new depths… they lower the bar, yet again.
April 4th, 2006 at 2:22 pmSo far he’s been able to conceal his horns. Typical, another GOP puke never accepting responsibility for failure and misjudgments.
April 4th, 2006 at 2:22 pmTHE ICING ??
CIVIL WAR IS THE ICING ON THE CAKE ?
WHAT WAS THE MOSQUE BOMBING, BLOWING OUT THE CANDLES ?
THESE PEOPLE ARE UNHINGED FROM REALITY
IRAQ WAR PROVED THE NEO CON DREAM WONT WORK
LISTEN TO THESE STUPID BASTARDS MAKE EXCUSES.
April 4th, 2006 at 2:23 pmIngratitude?
April 4th, 2006 at 2:24 pmUm, Mr. Pipes, if you ever want to do me a favor — don’t — ok?
What this man and those like him don’t understand is that we have made the world so much more unsafe then it was on September 12, 2001. We have given the Iraqi people thousands of reasons to hate us. We have let down the world. I can only hope that the Iraqis understand the difference between your average citizen (me) and this smuck named Daniel Pipes. I hope they understand that he never has nor never will speak for me. I don’t know how we are going to make it right with the Iraqi people. I don’t know how we can take the leadership role we once had on the world stage.
April 4th, 2006 at 2:26 pm#13 Bah! Go back to Quebec, Surrender Monkey-lover!
Here in America we only speak foreign languages as well as Babelfish translates.
April 4th, 2006 at 2:27 pmDaniel Pipes must be removed from his “recess appointment” at the same time Bush et al are removed from office and prosecuted for war crimes, the same goes for Paul Wilfowitz at the World Bank and John Bolton at the UN.
It is quite obvious how delusioned the neocons are at this time. It must be awful to be constantly looking behind their backs to see if Fitzgerald is prying in their garbage….serves them right!
Impeach and imprison all….maybe we can keep them at Gitmo under the care of Fidel.
LMFAO
April 4th, 2006 at 2:27 pmThe US and even this idiotic neocon know the truth…and it isn’t the same as what they tell the public. The US is not interested in what is best for Iraq or the Iraqis. We are only interested in ourselves and wealthy US corporations.
The Iraqs know the truth. They have had one dictator replaced, which is good news…but the bad news is that they have been replaced by another dictator….the US. the US controls the government the elections and the military right now. How is that not a type of dictatorship? Nothing can happen without the Us’s permission no matter who the people elect. And even that is a problems because the US will not allow teh Iraqi people to elect anyone that will turn against the US forces.
So why should the Iraqis be greatful. As far as they are concerned they were invaded, bombed, a war was started in their front yard, thousands are dying in the crossfire and all so that they can vote an unknown number of times for a governmnet that the US has built anyway.
I don’t care what your political leanings are….if this happened to you would YOU be greatful?
April 4th, 2006 at 2:27 pmFreedom isn’t freedom if it’s forced on you by the town bully.
April 4th, 2006 at 2:29 pm“#
By the way what is a PNAC? Is it an intelligent life form?
Comment by Skeptic — April 4, 2006 @ 2:15 pm
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Project for the New American Century
April 4th, 2006 at 2:30 pmFreedom isn’t freedom if it’s forced on you by the town bully.
Comment by JP — April 4, 2006 @ 2:29 pm
Or, in this case, the global village idiot.
April 4th, 2006 at 2:31 pm“Yesss….anarchy, death, white phosphorussss, Fallujah, death squadssss, ssscivil war, dead US ssssservicemen, Abu Garib, breakdown of sssssociety. All just isssscing on the cake…..yessss….issscing.”
April 4th, 2006 at 2:31 pmPipes is plugged, man, he should go snort some Drano and loosen up the sh*t he’s got for brains…….
April 4th, 2006 at 2:31 pmHe is living in bizarro world
April 4th, 2006 at 2:32 pmReality, like the Constitution, The Bill of Rights, The Geneva Convention and the rule of law in general are just thorny little obstructions for these fanatics to overcome.
Their world view is fiction. Reality always bites back in the end.
This man is a liar and a fool.
April 4th, 2006 at 2:32 pmSo the Iraqis should be grateful to us for destroying parts of their country, killing their women and children, terrorizing them with nighttime invasions into their homes with weapons, torturing them and making their countryside a recruiting haven for terrorists–all in the name of spreading democracy and all those other excuses we’ve been given for the war.
I especially like the one about “fighting the terrorists over there so we won’t have to fight them here”. Apparently, we neglected to ask the Iraqis permission to become our sacrificial lambs. And we wonder why they’re not grateful.
April 4th, 2006 at 2:38 pmSD
He seems to be shooting for a Ming the Merciless look. He certainly has the right attitude.
A cape with a collar that toweres over his head would be appropriate attire for the jerk.
April 4th, 2006 at 2:40 pmIf they aren’t grateful, then perhaps we should take our guns and bombs and go home???
April 4th, 2006 at 2:43 pmWell, to be fair, he is a raving lunatic.
http://www.cair-net.org/misc/people/daniel_pipes.html
April 4th, 2006 at 2:47 pmWe knew this would be coming from the Neo-Con idiots
Its not us its
The liberal media, the Democrats, the troops, the Iraqis
Rethugs can never ever admit a mistake
April 4th, 2006 at 2:51 pmMethinks Pipes is a Zionist.The Jewish people are not the problem.This false prophet state of Israel is.It created six hundred thousand homeless refugees at its founding in 1948 alone;and many more since then.And we wonder why this war has failed.Zionist wanted to make Iraq safe for more of their kind.Iraqi’s know that.
April 4th, 2006 at 2:56 pmWait. Wait…I’m confused.
We want “democracy” but don’t want them to feel they built the government themselves? Hmmmm…how do they square that, exactly?
War does not redeem. It does not redeem people, countries or ideas. End of story.
April 4th, 2006 at 2:58 pmThe words of Daniel Pipes echo those of the colonial powers of yore, who would decry the natives’ “ingratitude”: Somehow these natives would never thank the colonial powers for teaching them the ways of “civilisation”, and were always restless and war-like.
Then as now, the irony of judging the natives as uncivilised, ingrate, and war-like was lost on the agents of the empire who were busy invading, torturing, slaughtering the natives, razing their villages, and raping their women.
The US has gone from being a colony to being a coloniser. This is the hubris of empire, yet again.
April 4th, 2006 at 3:01 pmThis guy could be Osama bin Laden. After a little Nip/Tuck? How tall is this guy?
April 4th, 2006 at 3:02 pm#39 cyra brown
April 4th, 2006 at 3:06 pmHa ha ha. Hiding in plain sight!
Pipes is a raging lunatic. His logic is illogical.
#39 Cyra; How long would this guy last in a room with Osama & Co? Heads would roll.
April 4th, 2006 at 3:08 pmEspecially ungrateful of them after Perle predicted they’d be so grateful (rose petals, etc.).
April 4th, 2006 at 3:09 pmNeo-Cons: Downfall of western civilization?
The neo-con steadfast adherence to beliefs in the face of facts may indeed be our downfall. Consider, if one believes in the absolute regardless of facts, one can leap to any conclusion by way of justification. What is their logical end? Their great leaps of conclusion know no bounds; therefore they have no bounds to tie themselves to our current civilized discourse. So, again where is their logical end? Dismantling the constitution? Dismantling foreign sovereignty? Overriding treaties? Ignoring global warming? One must conclude that this movement wants the downfall of western civilization, if fact they want to hasten it.
April 4th, 2006 at 3:18 pm[...] Oh man, you gotta see this story from thinkprogress.org. What did NeoCon Commentator Supreme, Dr. Daniel Pipes, say when asked by a Pittsburgh Tribune-Review writer what was the biggest lesson he’s learned from the Iraq war he promoted so strongly? The answer: “The ingratitude of the Iraqis for the extraordinary favor we gave them — to release them from the bondage of Saddam Hussein’s tyranny.” Just defies comment, doesn’t it… [...]
April 4th, 2006 at 3:27 pmthats some mighty costly icing.
April 4th, 2006 at 3:42 pm“Beyond that is icing.”
and cake. Sweet, sweet, triple layer chocolate cake. Yum.
April 4th, 2006 at 3:58 pmWhy doesn’t this fucking moron go over there himself to tell the Iraqis face to face? Maybe take all these ass-hole neocons with him and maybe an IED could blow all these fucks up.
April 4th, 2006 at 3:58 pmDanny Pipes is like the rapist who expects his victim to “thank” him.
April 4th, 2006 at 3:59 pmPipes does not speak for me…or for any American. He speaks for the Israeli government. In the old days putting the interests of a foreign government ahead of the interests of the American people was considered a form of treason.
April 4th, 2006 at 4:04 pmWe got rid of Saddam Hussein. Beyond that is icing.
Yeah, functioning hospitals, medicines, schools, electricity, running potable water, sewers, garbage collection, etc… all that is icing.
I wonder how long Mr Pipes could survive without the “icing”.
April 4th, 2006 at 4:05 pmThis is typical of the Neo-Con Right Wingers. Blame the victims, the Iraqi People, for the mistakes of Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, and all the Neo-Con intellectuals who blew it. They will never admit to a mistake. Their global strategy of pre-emption is the failure. They were asleep at the wheel for 9/11. They have strengthened our biggest enemy in the middle east, Iran. Soon there will be one huge Oil producing alliance Iran/Iraq, which will be ruled by Islamic Theocracy. Well done Neo-Cons! You Fools!
April 4th, 2006 at 4:12 pmThis man is a malignant narcissist to such a degree that he might as well be a sociopath. These neocons are enamored with themselves and their over-valued ideas. They believe no one else’s life has any meaning. They feel entitled to try out their destructive and grandiose plans on other people, consequences and reality be damned. They never have to pay for their mistakes and the havoc they have wreaked. As a result of their policies, the lives of hundreds of thousands of people who did them no harm have been ruined. People like this should NEVER have power. They are incompetent, inept, dangerous ideologues. If they want to try out their ideas for society, they should all move to an island and do to each other what they have done to the Iraqis.
April 4th, 2006 at 4:15 pmThis guy sounds as delusional as Cheney. Grateful for what? Bombed out cities with thousands of dead civilians, including babies? A civil war?
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April 4th, 2006 at 4:35 pmI am sure his neck fits the noose just as well as all the other Republiturds Traitor-fucks. Now point me to the hemp factory, we got some rope making to do, and alot of it.
April 4th, 2006 at 4:37 pmI CAN’T FUCKING WAIT.
I think that sociopathic narcissist about sums it up.
April 4th, 2006 at 4:37 pmThere are no more Neo Con “leaders”. There is only the Neo Con history of failure and the man they call the shrub trying to crawl out from under the Neo Con stone around his neck.
The Zionists are RACISTS, as they have proven over and over.
Pipes is a Zionist. As such, he is A FOREIGN AGENT.
Forget about waving flags, how about lying the country into wars for racists?
We should wave his head on the end of a pike.
He is guilty of fomenting genocide.
April 4th, 2006 at 4:40 pmappalling, the ingratitude of those Iraqi untermenschen, just appalling.
Never question the faultless wisdom of the Neocons.
April 4th, 2006 at 4:44 pmNever question the faultless wisdom of the Neocons.
Comment by Ron — April 4, 2006 @ 4:44 pm
That’s exactly it. The Delay-Jesus analogy is precise because Delay want sto be worshipped like people worship Jesus. Without question, and in utter blind faith with adulation for his every move no matter how egocentric or criminal. And damn those who dare offer anything but obedience.
You know, he must have serious self-esteem issues to need that.
April 4th, 2006 at 4:49 pmAgain Neo-Con-men prove to the world what a bunch of monkey jerk penis pullers they are. Why is it that the neo con jobs are so out of touch with reality?
April 4th, 2006 at 4:49 pm# 52
Right on, Lexie! The truth is that the Neo-Con movement is led by some very sick individuals with raging psychiatric “Axis II” disorders. They are all the spiritual offspring of Ronald Reagan, a psychologically damaged victim of childhood trauma who was incapable of personal insight or self-awareness, who externalized all difficult, painful, shameful or unwanted feelings into a mythical “other” – communism – and then set about proclaiming the Other to be the embodiment of evil in the world.
Not to be naive here. communism is a problematic form of government, not much fun to live under. But then, so is capitalism for most of the world. Is either “evil?”
His own official biographer got as deeply underneath his exterior as he could, found there was no “there” there, and had to fictionalize himself into Reagan’s life in order to even produce a book at all. More interesting is Reagan’s autobiography, “Where’s The Rest Of Me?”, published in 1963. Anybody out there read this? Pick it up. It gives a lot of unintended and undisguised raw material for the birth of the Neo-con mindset. No wonder it’s been suppressed since the 70’s!
Our beloved President is likewise a psychologically damaged man, traumatized in childhood. (If you don’t know what traumatized him, get thee to your local library and read “Fortunate Son.â€) He is also pathologically incapable of an interior life. Remember when he was asked how 9/11 changed him? He responded that he didn’t know, didn’t think that way, and if you wanted to know how he was changed, “ask [his] wife.”
People like this cannot exist outside of a duality with a mythologized evil Other. McCarthy, Reagan, the John Birch Society, J. Edgar Hoover, Dick “Bang!” Cheney, Nixon, Wolfowitz… James Dobson… if paranoia were currency they’d all be even richer than their spoils of war have made them…
Thanks for your ear. It’s great to be able to comment here after months of limbo (thanks to Adaware free spyware for freeing me and my humble machine from frozen web pages!)
April 4th, 2006 at 4:50 pmIs this comment by Pipes any less psycotic than Laura Bush saying she’s hurt that the Iraqis don’t appreciate our sacrifice?
April 4th, 2006 at 5:04 pmLet’s see…invade the country on the premise of claiming it houses nonexistent weaponry, impose a regime change on the peoples of a country without their request or approval (or without cultivating any modicum of internal revolution), fail to set up post-invasion security, block like-culture groups to assist in reconstruction (iun fact, fail to hire locals for the physical reconstruction), neglect to establish any democratic institutions and assume a group who have never self-governed will figure it out, un-employ over half the country, decimate the infrastructure, ignore and inadvertantly enflame socio-political infighting among the peoples…
yeah, dammit, how dare they not thank us…&%$in’ ingrates!
April 4th, 2006 at 5:07 pmHow would Pipes feel if tanks were parked on his street, his house reduced to a shambles by missiles, family members and friends killed either by American missiles or in random shootings, with unreliable or non-existent electricity, potable water and sewer service, and no job. I do hope he would show gratitude to those who caused the problem. This guy is a bumbling, evil idiot! Send him to Iraq for a long vacation in a wonderful, liberated country.
April 4th, 2006 at 5:08 pmHe looks like the Devil and that pic.
April 4th, 2006 at 5:12 pmAbsolutely every fibre in this “Pipes” being is vile and degrading.
What an unmistakable asshole.
April 4th, 2006 at 5:12 pmCStrut, you asked: ” Why is it that the neo con jobs are so out of touch with reality?”
Haven’t you heard? They create their own reality while we just sit on the sidelines.
We sit on the sidelines because no one else accepts this lie they call reality.
The real world is uglier for them.
April 4th, 2006 at 5:15 pmPIPES = IDIOTS R US.
April 4th, 2006 at 5:30 pmDo you think that ingratitude might have something to do with the fact that we have murdered 200,000 of their citizens and created a fucking nightmare for the survivors?
April 4th, 2006 at 5:42 pmPipes/PNAC just played their global scale version of the board game “Risk”, y’know a literal war game, with empty/backstory-less countries, no repurcussions, no collateral issues, and with easily definable wins and losses as determined by gained/lost ground.
Unfortunately the world is more complicated than that, Pipey. The world isn’t all black and white, ya gotta engage the shades of gray. Ass.
April 4th, 2006 at 5:47 pmPipes is a disgusting, hateful cocksucker.
April 4th, 2006 at 6:23 pmWould this be the same Daniel Pipes who’s reported to be a close associate of a certain Danish ‘cultural editor’ who published certain unflattering cartoons of Mohammed in his magazine, setting off a firestorm of protest in the Middle East? The same editor who just two years ago refused to publish cartoons portraying Jesus because he felt they were insulting, yet now carps on about ‘freedom of expression’? Yes, apparently it is.
April 4th, 2006 at 6:28 pmWe have to admit that he makes a very good point in that specific quote, no matter if you are on the left or on the right, as an american, people have to feel disgusted with the attitude of the Iraquis, BUT, the real reason of their rejection is that they don’t wanted the US to be there in the first place, so it’s up to the US goverment to answer why did it went to a war where the country to “liberate” really didn’t wanted to be liberated.
April 4th, 2006 at 6:45 pmSo he’s on the U.S. Institute of Peace? If all members are like him then it should be renamed to the U.S. Institute of War, Occupation and Mass Destruction. On a similarl (though off-topic) note, Rumsfeld’s title should be changed to Secretary of War and Occupation, or maybe even more appropriatly to the Secretary of Homicide and Mass Destruction.
April 4th, 2006 at 7:10 pmDaniel Pipes even chastised the Israelis for not going in and really punishing and “defeating” the Palestinians. The Israelis were not impressed and just shrugged him off. It appears that Pipes is a pain in the butt to everyone in the Middle East. But, Bush likes him.
April 4th, 2006 at 7:12 pmDaniel Pipes even chastised the Israelis for not going in and really punishing and “defeating” the Palestinians. The Israelis were not impressed and just shrugged him off. It appears that Pipes is a pain in the butt to everyone in the Middle East. But, Bush likes him.
April 4th, 2006 at 7:12 pmThe ingratitude is just the tip of the iceberg.
We allowed their museums to be looted of Iraq’s heritage, hospitals were destroyed, schools were destroyed, the electrical grid was destroyed, running water stopped. most businesses were destroyed, hundreds of thousands of homes were destroyed, just about all of the infrastructure was destroyed, innocent men, women and children were and still are being tortured, and over one hundred thousand innocent men women and children were slaughtered in Bush/Cheney’s illegal, immoral, imperialistic War OF Terror, so they could steal Iraq’s oil and steal U.S. tax dollars through fraud from no bid contracts illegally awarded to Halliburton and other war profiteers.
Ingratitude? We would be lucky if that’s all the Iraqis displayed toward us. The truth is, through our horrific actions, we have turned them into insurgents and terrorists. We have only ourselves to blame because, they learned how to be terrorists from us.
April 4th, 2006 at 8:02 pmThose UNGRATEFUL wretches. …. Let’s bomb them again!
April 4th, 2006 at 8:10 pmWhose “WE?”
April 4th, 2006 at 8:25 pm(Sorry if someone made this point already.)
So I guess the biggest surprise wasn’t that there were no W.M.D.s after all?
If they knew there were no weapons of mass destruction, and started a war anyway in which thousands of American died, isn’t that, uh, err, conspiracy to MURDER?!
How in God’s name can any troll come in here and say that Bush lied to the American people in order to invade Iraq, but that’s — somehow — OK?
Why is lying under oath about being an adulterer an impeachable offense but the needless deaths of 2,551 coalition troops; at least 33,821 Iraqi civilians; and a continuous cost of NINE BILLION DOLLARS A MONTH; all based on a fraudlent representation of the facts to the citizens of my country, not cause for this whole fucking administration to be put on trial for WAR CRIMES?????????
You neocons are sick. Sick in the head, and sick in the heart.
April 4th, 2006 at 8:30 pmIt sure is easy to be a tough talker with other peoples lives on the frontline.
Mr. Pipes, may I recommend a nice late-age enlistment so you can help carry out your agenda?
-GSD
April 4th, 2006 at 8:41 pmTake a look at this video:
Incident in Iraq
And this guy is saying the Iraqi people should be grateful? He should be strapped into a chair and forced to watch it.
By the way, blaming US soldiers for this is not conscionable- blame Bush and the other neocon crazies who sent them there.
April 4th, 2006 at 9:33 pmYeah, Pipes, go on over there and you tell those sons of bitches how ungrateful they are! Bring your own flak jacket.
April 4th, 2006 at 9:36 pmScar tissue for brains.
April 4th, 2006 at 9:38 pmA: Oh, it was a success. We got rid of Saddam Hussein. Beyond that is icing.
Nonsense. Pipes knows better than anyone that Saddam was not the main course at this banquet, nor does he care what the Iraqis think or do or whether or not they have the good sense to be grateful. What you have here is a classic example of neocon (Jooooo) misdirection. Of course you dumbasses are eating it up again. But, as I’ve told you before “some people don’t deserve the truth”.
April 4th, 2006 at 9:40 pmI used to think that the affliction beleaguring the neocons was a fascist view of society and ultimate control of all the resources of the world. The comments by Laura Bush that they don’t appreciate us and the latest by Pipes of Iraqi ingratitude borders on neurotic paranoia. After turning the country of Iraq into a killing field and money pit centering on war mongering and profiteering, it is amazing that any rational person would come to the conclusion that they don’t “appreciate us” or they are guilty of “ingratitude”. If any semblance of a society with a future remains in Iraq, it will be a miracle. It appears that the neocons are tiring of the three(3)years of war, waste of billions of dollars, pervasive destruction, killings and murder and the failure of shock and awe and the mismanagement of a meaningless war. The neocons have now turned their inept and incompetent foreign policy debacle into a blame game on the Iraqii people who had no choice but to accept the stupidity of an invasion that has destroyed their country and lives. “Appreciation” and “gratitude” should never be used by neocons in any discussion related to the Iraqii people. The Iraqis have had enough of our good intentions.
April 4th, 2006 at 9:54 pmI-Wrong-I,
April 4th, 2006 at 9:57 pmMuch of our outrage is directed at the continual lies told by the right wing, including those by Herr Pipes. Mostly we are mocking his ridiculous statement saying that the Iraqis are not grateful. You’re as stupid as Pipes for thinking we believe this horseshit.
What ever the intent of dimwit Pipes to issue his diatribe relating to the Iraqis is left to interpretation of the reviewer. The only thing you can be sure of is that when a neocon says something either it is a lie or he receives some benefit from its utterance. Usually financial. If #85 has an interpretation and analysis of the real meaning of Pipes’ convoluted comments, enlighten us with your wisdom. If ignorance is bliss, ’tis folly to be wise.
April 4th, 2006 at 10:18 pmI have heard of this guy but didn’t know much about him! I HATE ALL PNAC PEOPLE,PEIROD! And he was pro-war and Bush appointed him to U.S. Institute for Peace? Typical of asshole,PURE EVIL BUSH! Typical Orwellian! Yeah boy, the Iraqi’s have LOTS to be grateful for, right? Let’s make notes, shall we. 1. Our purely evil gov’t brought Saddam to power, knowningly, that he was dictator but hey,they didn’t care and even Rummie had his picture taken with him and Reagan and Bush Sr. even gave him some bad chemicals but hey, he was U.S. puppet then! Then he got out of control, so then our gov’t STARVES millions of innocent Iraqi’s because of the dictator OUR GOV’T PUT IN POWER, right? Then the EVIL,WAR MONGERING ZIONISTS, and who AIPAC who is NO.1 lobbists, who runs America AND BUSH REGIME, BLAIR AND EVIL PNAC GROUP,desides to lie to take U.S. and Britain to war again because hey, neither Blair nor Bush’s kids nor relatives have to fight, nor PNAC group either, who sit back in U.S. on their fat cat asses war profiteering off our dead and injuried G.I’s and innocent foreigners too, while Bush regime uses our poor troops, like Hitler used his to invade countries,etc. while slaughtering 250,000 innocent people in Iraq,while STEALING THEIR OIL FOR U.S. OIL COMPANIES AND RIPPING THEM OFF OF MILLIONS, AND THIS EVIL BASTARD SAYS THEY ARE INGRATEFUL!? THIS PURELY EVIL BASTARD NEEDS TO HANGED FOR TREASON, WAR CRIMES AND WAR PROFITEERING AS DOES ALL GODDAMN PURELY EVIL PNAC GROUP! THEY ALL NEED TO BE HANGED FOR TREASON, WAR CRIMES AND WAR PROFITEERING AND NOW! THE WHOLE GODDAMN EVIL PNAC GROUP AND NOW! I HOPE THEY ALL ROT IN HELL! AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEND THEM THERE! THEY HAVE WRECKED SOO MANY LIVES WITH THEIR GODDAMN EVIL PNAC PLANS! AND STILL ARE! FUCK DANIEL PIPES AND THE WHOLE GODDAMN EVIL PNAC GROUP WHO NEEDS TO DIE HORRORIBLE DEATHS! This piece of shit says Iraqi’s are ungreatful? I want ALL PNAC group members to be HANGED FOR TREASON, WAR CRIMES AND WARPROFITEERING AND NOW, PURE EVIL BASTARDS!
April 4th, 2006 at 10:29 pmWHY isn’t my post showing up? It said it accepted it? I HATE PNAC GROUP! TOTALLY! And this guy along with rest of PURE EVIL PNAC GROUP needs to ROT IN HELL! THE HELL the U.S. and others put the people of Iraqi, I wouldn’t blame them if they hated us! I HATE PNAC NEO-CONS PERIOD! They ALL need to be hanged for treason, war crimes and warprofiteering too! AND GET A DAMN f*cKING clue,sheep! IT IS NOT INCOMPENTENCE BY Neo-cons BUT by design! They are NOT going to get off scott free on this crap by saying they were “incompetent” Incompetent my *ss! Everything they do is by design! PURE EVIL BASTARDS! But then it isn’t THEIR KIDS or relatives dying for lies,lies and more lies! And this PURE EVIL JERK says Iraqi’s are ungrateful!? After ALL the U.S. and Britain has done to them? I HATE PNAC NEO-CONS AND WANT THEM PUNISHED FOR WHAT THEY HAVE DONE AND NOW! Send them all to Gitmo but first put them in toxic water up to their armpits in N.O. with alligators and snakes,with NO water NO food and NO help and if they get out of that mess, then send them to Gitmo for torture and then hang them, if they survive all that, for all the misery they have caused millions of people! THEY ARE PURE EVIL AND NEED TO BE HANGED!
April 4th, 2006 at 10:39 pmAmen Lexie! Right on! But they are NOT, I REPEAT NOT, incompetent! They have accomplished what they set out to do! STEAL Iraq’s oil for U.S. oil companies and they are attempting to put in power another leader over Iraqi’s who will be a puppet to D.C. ! Like Greg Palast said Bush regime DID accomplish what they wanted in Iraq! Our G.I’s and innocent Iraqi’s be damned! The PURE EVIL PNAC GROUP, ALL OF THEM need to be taken to an island somewhere and done the above mentioned stuff to ALL of them and NOW! And as poetic justice, have U.S. troops arrest them for TREASON, WAR CRIMES AND WAR PROFITEERING AND THEN DO ABOVE TO THEM! AND NOW! This lousy, pure evil S.O.B’s plans can wreck people’s lives, kill innocent people they don’t even know and they GET AWAY WITH IT! I DON’T THINK SO, OVER MY DEAD BODY! I WANT F*CKING JUSTICE! And them saying their SORRY, our plans didn’t work bye is NOT gonna cut it! I want them HANGED AND WORSE! AND NOW, BEFORE THEY TOTALLY FINISH DESTROYING AMERICA FROM WITHIN OR BOMB MORE INNOCENT PEOPLE LIKE THOSE IN IRAN!
April 4th, 2006 at 10:49 pmSue, nothing more to say–you’ve said it all. I “appreciate” your short essays and express my “gratitude”.
April 4th, 2006 at 10:53 pmWhat would be REAL poetic justice is for our U.S. troops to arrest these pure evil, aholes and first do above to them at N.O. like they did to our citizens on purpose in N.O. then torture them in Gitmo like they did that poor little 10 year old kid, who wasn’t guilty of nothing. then and ONLY after all that, take their asses over to Iraq with the bad flak jackets,that they purposedly give our troops and turn them loose and let not only Iraqi’s get ahold of them but have Iraqi’s joined by our U.S. troops over there too, BOTH get ahold of them! NOW THAT WOULD BE TRUE AND RIGHTEOUS JUSTICE!
April 4th, 2006 at 10:56 pmNova16, Thanks! I am sorry I was soo long but I ramble sometimes when I am venting! Were you joking? Sorry about being sooo long! Just venting, my extreme frustrations at ALL this total INJUSTICES!
April 4th, 2006 at 11:00 pmNo.9 Skeptic, PNAC stands for Project for New America Century! Who had plans to invade Iraq in year 2000, which includes the likes of Jeb Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz and Rummie among others! Their grand plan was to have MULTIPLE WARS OVER OIL AND NATURAL RESOURCES,and to basically run the world! Which Bush regime, Blair and others are STILL following that plan! Go here to read about them!They are PURE EVIL! PURE EVIL! It proves Bush, Blair had plans to invade Iraq long before Bush got into office! Which also helps prove Bush stole 1st election and also 2nd one too! Anyway, to get back to evil PNAC group. Here is link to it: http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf, go to pages 26 and 63 and READ! In there you will read where they say having troops in Iraq “transcends” the Saddam regime! Meaning they had plans to invade Iraq whether Saddam was there or NOT! PLus on page 63, they talk of needing a “New Pearl Harbor” or their evil plans would go slower! What was 9-11 BUT THEIR NEW PEARL HARBOR? I TOTALLY BELIEVE BUSH,CHENEY, RUMMIE AND CONDI AND OTHERS IN OUR GOV’T WERE INVOLVED IN 9-11! But read it in their OWN words! This along with other memo’s proves Bush regime had plans to invade Iraq for OIL and other nations too whether Saddam was there or NOT! And it also helps prove they were involved and behind 9-11, too! Please people research 9-11, too! These same EVIL PNAC GROUP where behind 9-11! I would bet MY LIFE on it! Google Loose Change, 2nd Edition and also go to http://www.911truth.org and read! And join the 9-11 truth movement too!
April 4th, 2006 at 11:13 pmNo.82, I don’t blame our troops! They are but pawns being used by EVIL COMMANDER IN THEIF! I do blame them if they don’t use their humanity to NOT slaughter innocent people, though, i.e. when they go on a killing spree! But they are being used by the U.S. Fueher, like Hitler used his troops! We MUST DEMAND and NOW ALL our troops home and NOW! And NO,NO MORE “multiple EVIL PNAC, unnecessary “pre-emptive wars, PERIOD! AND NOW! And NO war on Iran either! Hans Blix who was right about Iraq is saying Iran is 10years away from nukes! Stop letting Israel dictate U.S. foreign policy or the war profiteering aholes in W.H. and Congress, too, while our nation is destroyed from within and destroying other nations only to spread worldwide FASCISM!
April 4th, 2006 at 11:23 pmAll Neocons should either be arrested for war crimes or deported to Israel forever!
April 5th, 2006 at 12:27 am# 96 Sue: I concur.
April 5th, 2006 at 1:15 amDon’t hold anything back, Sue! How do you really feel?
April 5th, 2006 at 3:17 amOh come on Sue;
The real deal with 9/11 is that the administration ignored the warnings and likely allowed the attacks to take place. There are two facts to look at: The August 6th PDB which wasn’t acted on, and the FBI field agent warnings which were also ignored by the administration. Yes, that does amount to criminal negligence and grounds for impeachement, all by itself.
The 9-11 truth movement you quote is just a government disinformation program designed to discredit the antiwar movement; bombs in the WTC? missles in the Pentagon? FLight 93 vanishing when it was actually shot down over PA by US jet fighters out of desperation?
Be calm, be rational, and let these bastards have it – but stay cool, you gotta stay cool. Otherwise, I fear you are just another government agent spreading disinformation.
Oh, and check out this video on Iraq:
Welcome to the War Zone
Hey all you PR specialists working online: Go Straight to Hell!
April 5th, 2006 at 5:44 amMan, I wish I could highlight and delete my screw-ups as efficiently as the neo-cons can. Life must be peachy when you can never make mistakes.
Methinks some of the amateur psychoanalysis above is quite accurate.
April 5th, 2006 at 6:04 amPerhaps we should murder another 150,000 Iraqi civilians and spray another few thousand tons of DU all over the place to help encourage that elusive gratitude impulse.
These people should be tried for war crimes, and publicly executed by beheading for their crimes against humanity.
See you at the Hague Mr Pipes.
April 5th, 2006 at 6:08 amDon’t hold anything back, Sue! How do you really feel?
Comment by Martin
Just another example of why women shouldn’t be allowed to vote or drive with a cell phone attached to their ear.
April 5th, 2006 at 9:51 am#61 gun toting liberal
Thank you for this post. I have been thinking a lot about dualistic thinking and how dangerous it is. Unfortunately it is how most people this. It is either one thing or the other, a simple choice. Reality doesn’t work that way. The natural world is full of endless variety. Anture lives in the grey zone and I believe our thinking should as well.
This is a little off topic but I seriously think that this is the huge difference between Conservatives and Progressive. Conservatives think dualistically and Progressives think in multiple possibilities.
April 5th, 2006 at 10:43 amIf getting rid of Saddam was the measure of success and since Bush claimed that we were invading Iraq for a “regime change,” why have we continued to stay there as a miltary presence responsible for more and more deaths and injuries? We should have pulled out months ago and set up a reconstruction force to repair the damage that we did. Of course, “regime change” was only a cover for our real intentions – establishing permanent bases there and getting our hands on the oil. What a farce!
April 5th, 2006 at 12:45 pmWe need to employ SHOCK and AWE II…
…to liberate Pipes and all of his inbred Bushite ilk…
…and soon…
April 5th, 2006 at 12:48 pmBut, as I’ve told you before “some people don’t deserve the truthâ€.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I #85
…have you found out who your father was yet?
…maybe you should start with THAT “truth”…
…then you can feel qualified to lecture the rest of us about…
…TRUTH…
April 5th, 2006 at 12:54 pm#97 Jay Randaol wrote “All Neocons should either be arrested for war crimes or deported to Israel forever!”
As a freedom loving, partriotic, left-wing liberal New York Jew, I have to take strong issue with the casual bigotry of the above statement. You want to deport them to Israel because they’re all Jews? Do you even realize how racist your statement is, Jay?? You’re clearly implying that ‘all neocons’ are Jewish! And whats this ‘all neocons should be arrested’? ALL NEOCONS? Does that include the ones who haven’t committed a crime? So we’re arresting people for thought crimes, now?
This douche-bag (Pipes) can believe whatever he wants. If he commits a crime, lets convict his immoral ass. But this is STILL America, and real Americans don’t advocate arresting people simply for what they think, no matter how stupid it is.
Pipes is obviously nuts and I hope he was involved in actually committing a crime in his work for the Bush gang, because it would be great to see a genocide-loving maniac like him in jail.
But seriously Jay, and everyone else: THINK.
April 5th, 2006 at 12:58 pmHahahaha, that dude’s funny. Iraqi’s should be glad the US made their country a hotbed for terrorist activity? Iraqi’s should be glad their country was invaded for fraudulent reasons? I know what they want me to say: Iraqi’s should be glad they are freed from Saddam Hoessein, the evil dictator. Ok, maybe. But soon they’ll be under the dictatorship of the majority in the vote… When you look at the US, that’s not a bright foresight. Iraqi’s could end up with an absolut idiot at the helm of their ‘democracy’. In a democracy the majority or most people decide what goals a country should aim for. But if you ask me, I think, if there’s one group who shouldn’t decide what goals a country aims for…it’s most people.
April 5th, 2006 at 1:35 pmLet us not forget that post-Gulf War we incited the southern shiites to rise up and that we would support them. After the insurrection started, we blithely refused the promised support and Saddam planted 20,000 of them in mass graves. To add insult to injury we were also instrumental in imposing and enforcing sanctions that killed 500,000 Iraqi children over 10 years.
Moreover, we can never forget the cozy relationship we had with Saddam during the Iraq/Iran war, and that our government sanctioned the sale of WMD technologies to Saddam during the same period.
Lastly, when one understands the muslim culture’s long memory of history and inherent pridefulness, their reaction to our occupation/wholesale of their nation is a bit easier to comprehend.
Best of luck in the coming storm. If you don’t own a gun, get one soon.
April 5th, 2006 at 1:52 pmSadam did a better job of running his country than we are doing. Sadam was a bad hombre but other sheiks and Middle Eastern leaders are worse, we don’t bother them, they play ball with us. Sadam wouldn’t, therefore Iraq and it’s people got out wrath. Iraqis hate us and there is NO GRATITUDE to get a worse life than you had before.
April 5th, 2006 at 1:59 pmThis country is getting scary. People like this idiot are turning the US into something that is far from the ideals America was built upon. Hitler would have loved this guy.
April 5th, 2006 at 2:39 pmI agree with Sue. If we could chase down each neo-con that had a role in this Irag War drum-beating and hang them high, it would make this country safer than if we chased down every member of the Bath party in Iraq and tortured them to death.
Not that I could personally place the noose around their necks. Ah, there’s the rub.
April 5th, 2006 at 4:56 pmWill no one rid us of these meddlesome Neo-cons?
There are even some Iraqis who say that it was better with Saddam….at least
April 5th, 2006 at 5:01 pmthey had water and electrity…Now they only get it for a few hours a day. Can anyone
imagine that…? We will never be a success , because Saddam might have been
better than being without.
Just another example of why women shouldn’t be allowed to vote or drive with a cell phone attached to their ear.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — April 5, 2006 @ 9:51 am
Just another example as to why you should be neutered.
April 5th, 2006 at 7:19 pmFor a year after the invasion any questioning of the Chimpadent got an automatic response “would you really prefer Saddam still in power? No matter how bad things are at the moment it will be better without him a year from now”
Now even some Neocons are realizing that their fantasy of a Vermont in Iraq is probably not going to happen, and while not a good thing, Saddam was not the worst of possibilities.
Maybe enough of them will realize the fantasy of their other Ideas as well. I only hope there is enough of a world left to care. Our greatgrandchildren will still be suffering even if the stupidity stopped today.
April 6th, 2006 at 11:54 am[...] Apparently this is becoming a common theme among the Bushian war-mongers: Leading Neocon: ‘Biggest Lesson’ of War is the ‘Ingratitude of the Iraqis’ [...]
April 6th, 2006 at 12:28 pmI agree with pipes. THiese turd worlders need to say thankyou. Just because they are wretched murderers doesn’t mean they should not atleast thank American armed forces for the sacrifice they have gone through to allow them some hope. The sad fact is these camel jockeys like repression & intolerance. They like living under despots. This is why they do not thank us.
April 6th, 2006 at 2:53 pmOH, Thanks for the Tanks, Mr Pipes
April 6th, 2006 at 4:48 pmThankful for what? Replacing one fascist regime with another? Imposed democracy is imposition all the same, and there is nothing remotely democratic or redeeming about what America has done to Iraq and/or itself: its era is over.
April 13th, 2006 at 3:28 pmThis imbecile, along with his overlord Preznit Cheney and the entire Shrub administration are perfect illustrations of the true banality of evil.
April 18th, 2006 at 3:19 pm