Comments on: Leading Neocon: ‘Biggest Lesson’ of War is the ‘Ingratitude of the Iraqis’ http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/04/pipes-iraq/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 14:09:49 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: MattyCee http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/04/pipes-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-510661 MattyCee Tue, 18 Apr 2006 19:19:32 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/04/pipes-iraq/#comment-510661 This imbecile, along with his overlord Preznit Cheney and the entire Shrub administration are perfect illustrations of the true banality of evil. This imbecile, along with his overlord Preznit Cheney and the entire Shrub administration are perfect illustrations of the true banality of evil.

]]> By: Chris http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/04/pipes-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-506250 Chris Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:28:28 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/04/pipes-iraq/#comment-506250 Thankful for what? Replacing one fascist regime with another? Imposed democracy is imposition all the same, and there is <em>nothing</em> remotely democratic <em>or </em>redeeming about what America has done to Iraq and/or itself: its era is <em>over</em>. Thankful for what? Replacing one fascist regime with another? Imposed democracy is imposition all the same, and there is nothing remotely democratic or redeeming about what America has done to Iraq and/or itself: its era is over.

]]> By: Bruxa http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/04/pipes-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-498090 Bruxa Thu, 06 Apr 2006 20:48:31 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/04/pipes-iraq/#comment-498090 OH, Thanks for the Tanks, Mr Pipes OH, Thanks for the Tanks, Mr Pipes

]]> By: mike http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/04/pipes-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-497860 mike Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:53:18 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/04/pipes-iraq/#comment-497860 I agree with pipes. THiese turd worlders need to say thankyou. Just because they are wretched murderers doesn't mean they should not atleast thank American armed forces for the sacrifice they have gone through to allow them some hope. The sad fact is these camel jockeys like repression & intolerance. They like living under despots. This is why they do not thank us. I agree with pipes. THiese turd worlders need to say thankyou. Just because they are wretched murderers doesn’t mean they should not atleast thank American armed forces for the sacrifice they have gone through to allow them some hope. The sad fact is these camel jockeys like repression & intolerance. They like living under despots. This is why they do not thank us.

]]> By: A Newer World » Blog Archive » Those Damn Ungrateful Iraqis http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/04/pipes-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-497654 A Newer World » Blog Archive » Those Damn Ungrateful Iraqis Thu, 06 Apr 2006 16:28:47 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/04/pipes-iraq/#comment-497654 [...] Apparently this is becoming a common theme among the Bushian war-mongers: Leading Neocon: ‘Biggest Lesson’ of War is the ‘Ingratitude of the Iraqis’ [...] [...] Apparently this is becoming a common theme among the Bushian war-mongers: Leading Neocon: ‘Biggest Lesson’ of War is the ‘Ingratitude of the Iraqis’ [...]

]]> By: FreeDem http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/04/pipes-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-497601 FreeDem Thu, 06 Apr 2006 15:54:39 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/04/pipes-iraq/#comment-497601 For a year after the invasion any questioning of the Chimpadent got an automatic response "would you really prefer Saddam still in power? No matter how bad things are at the moment it will be better without him a year from now" Now even some Neocons are realizing that their fantasy of a Vermont in Iraq is probably not going to happen, and while not a good thing, Saddam was not the worst of possibilities. Maybe enough of them will realize the fantasy of their other Ideas as well. I only hope there is enough of a world left to care. Our greatgrandchildren will still be suffering even if the stupidity stopped today. For a year after the invasion any questioning of the Chimpadent got an automatic response “would you really prefer Saddam still in power? No matter how bad things are at the moment it will be better without him a year from now”

Now even some Neocons are realizing that their fantasy of a Vermont in Iraq is probably not going to happen, and while not a good thing, Saddam was not the worst of possibilities.

Maybe enough of them will realize the fantasy of their other Ideas as well. I only hope there is enough of a world left to care. Our greatgrandchildren will still be suffering even if the stupidity stopped today.

]]> By: unbelievable http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/04/pipes-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-497055 unbelievable Wed, 05 Apr 2006 23:19:58 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/04/pipes-iraq/#comment-497055 <em>Just another example of why women shouldn’t be allowed to vote or drive with a cell phone attached to their ear. Comment by I-RIGHT-I — April 5, 2006 @ 9:51 am </em> Just another example as to why you should be neutered. Just another example of why women shouldn’t be allowed to vote or drive with a cell phone attached to their ear.

Comment by I-RIGHT-I — April 5, 2006 @ 9:51 am

Just another example as to why you should be neutered.

]]> By: Shirley http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/04/pipes-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-496914 Shirley Wed, 05 Apr 2006 21:01:00 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/04/pipes-iraq/#comment-496914 There are even some Iraqis who say that it was better with Saddam....at least they had water and electrity...Now they only get it for a few hours a day. Can anyone imagine that...? We will never be a success , because Saddam might have been better than being without. There are even some Iraqis who say that it was better with Saddam….at least
they had water and electrity…Now they only get it for a few hours a day. Can anyone
imagine that…? We will never be a success , because Saddam might have been
better than being without.

]]> By: Solitaire http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/04/pipes-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-496911 Solitaire Wed, 05 Apr 2006 20:56:12 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/04/pipes-iraq/#comment-496911 I agree with Sue. If we could chase down each neo-con that had a role in this Irag War drum-beating and hang them high, it would make this country safer than if we chased down every member of the Bath party in Iraq and tortured them to death. Not that I could personally place the noose around their necks. Ah, there's the rub. Will no one rid us of these meddlesome Neo-cons? I agree with Sue. If we could chase down each neo-con that had a role in this Irag War drum-beating and hang them high, it would make this country safer than if we chased down every member of the Bath party in Iraq and tortured them to death.

Not that I could personally place the noose around their necks. Ah, there’s the rub.
Will no one rid us of these meddlesome Neo-cons?

]]> By: hawkeye http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/04/pipes-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-496719 hawkeye Wed, 05 Apr 2006 18:39:14 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/04/pipes-iraq/#comment-496719 This country is getting scary. People like this idiot are turning the US into something that is far from the ideals America was built upon. Hitler would have loved this guy. This country is getting scary. People like this idiot are turning the US into something that is far from the ideals America was built upon. Hitler would have loved this guy.

]]> By: Claire L. Heron http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/04/pipes-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-496677 Claire L. Heron Wed, 05 Apr 2006 17:59:36 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/04/pipes-iraq/#comment-496677 Sadam did a better job of running his country than we are doing. Sadam was a bad hombre but other sheiks and Middle Eastern leaders are worse, we don't bother them, they play ball with us. Sadam wouldn't, therefore Iraq and it's people got out wrath. Iraqis hate us and there is NO GRATITUDE to get a worse life than you had before. Sadam did a better job of running his country than we are doing. Sadam was a bad hombre but other sheiks and Middle Eastern leaders are worse, we don’t bother them, they play ball with us. Sadam wouldn’t, therefore Iraq and it’s people got out wrath. Iraqis hate us and there is NO GRATITUDE to get a worse life than you had before.

]]> By: History Head http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/04/pipes-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-496658 History Head Wed, 05 Apr 2006 17:52:09 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/04/pipes-iraq/#comment-496658 Let us not forget that post-Gulf War we incited the southern shiites to rise up and that we would support them. After the insurrection started, we blithely refused the promised support and Saddam planted 20,000 of them in mass graves. To add insult to injury we were also instrumental in imposing and enforcing sanctions that killed 500,000 Iraqi children over 10 years. Moreover, we can never forget the cozy relationship we had with Saddam during the Iraq/Iran war, and that our government sanctioned the sale of WMD technologies to Saddam during the same period. Lastly, when one understands the muslim culture's long memory of history and inherent pridefulness, their reaction to our occupation/wholesale of their nation is a bit easier to comprehend. Best of luck in the coming storm. If you don't own a gun, get one soon. Let us not forget that post-Gulf War we incited the southern shiites to rise up and that we would support them. After the insurrection started, we blithely refused the promised support and Saddam planted 20,000 of them in mass graves. To add insult to injury we were also instrumental in imposing and enforcing sanctions that killed 500,000 Iraqi children over 10 years.

Moreover, we can never forget the cozy relationship we had with Saddam during the Iraq/Iran war, and that our government sanctioned the sale of WMD technologies to Saddam during the same period.

Lastly, when one understands the muslim culture’s long memory of history and inherent pridefulness, their reaction to our occupation/wholesale of their nation is a bit easier to comprehend.

Best of luck in the coming storm. If you don’t own a gun, get one soon.

]]> By: jericho http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/04/pipes-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-496647 jericho Wed, 05 Apr 2006 17:35:49 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/04/pipes-iraq/#comment-496647 Hahahaha, that dude's funny. Iraqi's should be glad the US made their country a hotbed for terrorist activity? Iraqi's should be glad their country was invaded for fraudulent reasons? I know what they want me to say: <em>Iraqi's should be glad they are freed from Saddam Hoessein, the evil dictator</em>. Ok, maybe. But soon they'll be under the <em>dictatorship of the majority</em> in the vote... When you look at the US, that's not a bright foresight. Iraqi's could end up with an absolut idiot at the helm of their 'democracy'. In a democracy the majority or <strong>most people</strong> decide what goals a country should aim for. But if you ask me, I think, <strong>if there's one group who shouldn't decide what goals a country aims for...it's <em>most people</em>.</strong> Hahahaha, that dude’s funny. Iraqi’s should be glad the US made their country a hotbed for terrorist activity? Iraqi’s should be glad their country was invaded for fraudulent reasons? I know what they want me to say: Iraqi’s should be glad they are freed from Saddam Hoessein, the evil dictator. Ok, maybe. But soon they’ll be under the dictatorship of the majority in the vote… When you look at the US, that’s not a bright foresight. Iraqi’s could end up with an absolut idiot at the helm of their ‘democracy’. In a democracy the majority or most people decide what goals a country should aim for. But if you ask me, I think, if there’s one group who shouldn’t decide what goals a country aims for…it’s most people.

]]> By: DBernstein http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/04/pipes-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-496598 DBernstein Wed, 05 Apr 2006 16:58:46 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/04/pipes-iraq/#comment-496598 #97 Jay Randaol wrote "All Neocons should either be arrested for war crimes or deported to Israel forever!" As a freedom loving, partriotic, left-wing liberal New York Jew, I have to take strong issue with the casual bigotry of the above statement. You want to deport them to Israel because they're all Jews? Do you even realize how racist your statement is, Jay?? You're clearly implying that 'all neocons' are Jewish! And whats this 'all neocons should be arrested'? ALL NEOCONS? Does that include the ones who haven't committed a crime? So we're arresting people for thought crimes, now? This douche-bag (Pipes) can believe whatever he wants. If he commits a crime, lets convict his immoral ass. But this is STILL America, and real Americans don't advocate arresting people simply for what they think, no matter how stupid it is. Pipes is obviously nuts and I hope he was involved in actually committing a crime in his work for the Bush gang, because it would be great to see a genocide-loving maniac like him in jail. But seriously Jay, and everyone else: THINK. #97 Jay Randaol wrote “All Neocons should either be arrested for war crimes or deported to Israel forever!”

As a freedom loving, partriotic, left-wing liberal New York Jew, I have to take strong issue with the casual bigotry of the above statement. You want to deport them to Israel because they’re all Jews? Do you even realize how racist your statement is, Jay?? You’re clearly implying that ‘all neocons’ are Jewish! And whats this ‘all neocons should be arrested’? ALL NEOCONS? Does that include the ones who haven’t committed a crime? So we’re arresting people for thought crimes, now?

This douche-bag (Pipes) can believe whatever he wants. If he commits a crime, lets convict his immoral ass. But this is STILL America, and real Americans don’t advocate arresting people simply for what they think, no matter how stupid it is.

Pipes is obviously nuts and I hope he was involved in actually committing a crime in his work for the Bush gang, because it would be great to see a genocide-loving maniac like him in jail.

But seriously Jay, and everyone else: THINK.

]]> By: big papa http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/04/pipes-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-496592 big papa Wed, 05 Apr 2006 16:54:04 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/04/pipes-iraq/#comment-496592 But, as I’ve told you before “some people don’t deserve the truth”. Comment by I-RIGHT-I #85 <strong>...have you found out who your father was yet? ...maybe you should start with THAT "truth"... ...then you can feel qualified to lecture the rest of us about... ...TRUTH...</strong> But, as I’ve told you before “some people don’t deserve the truth”.

Comment by I-RIGHT-I #85

…have you found out who your father was yet?

…maybe you should start with THAT “truth”…

…then you can feel qualified to lecture the rest of us about…

…TRUTH…

]]> By: big papa http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/04/pipes-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-496587 big papa Wed, 05 Apr 2006 16:48:55 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/04/pipes-iraq/#comment-496587 <strong>We need to employ SHOCK and AWE II... ...to liberate Pipes and all of his inbred Bushite ilk... ...and soon...</strong> We need to employ SHOCK and AWE II…

…to liberate Pipes and all of his inbred Bushite ilk…

…and soon…

]]> By: JG http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/04/pipes-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-496583 JG Wed, 05 Apr 2006 16:45:20 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/04/pipes-iraq/#comment-496583 If getting rid of Saddam was the measure of success and since Bush claimed that we were invading Iraq for a "regime change," why have we continued to stay there as a miltary presence responsible for more and more deaths and injuries? We should have pulled out months ago and set up a reconstruction force to repair the damage that we did. Of course, "regime change" was only a cover for our real intentions - establishing permanent bases there and getting our hands on the oil. What a farce! If getting rid of Saddam was the measure of success and since Bush claimed that we were invading Iraq for a “regime change,” why have we continued to stay there as a miltary presence responsible for more and more deaths and injuries? We should have pulled out months ago and set up a reconstruction force to repair the damage that we did. Of course, “regime change” was only a cover for our real intentions – establishing permanent bases there and getting our hands on the oil. What a farce!

]]> By: Pagan American http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/04/pipes-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-496412 Pagan American Wed, 05 Apr 2006 14:43:33 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/04/pipes-iraq/#comment-496412 <em>#61 gun toting liberal </em> Thank you for this post. I have been thinking a lot about dualistic thinking and how dangerous it is. Unfortunately it is how most people this. It is either one thing or the other, a simple choice. Reality doesn't work that way. The natural world is full of endless variety. Anture lives in the grey zone and I believe our thinking should as well. This is a little off topic but I seriously think that this is the huge difference between Conservatives and Progressive. Conservatives think dualistically and Progressives think in multiple possibilities. #61 gun toting liberal
Thank you for this post. I have been thinking a lot about dualistic thinking and how dangerous it is. Unfortunately it is how most people this. It is either one thing or the other, a simple choice. Reality doesn’t work that way. The natural world is full of endless variety. Anture lives in the grey zone and I believe our thinking should as well.

This is a little off topic but I seriously think that this is the huge difference between Conservatives and Progressive. Conservatives think dualistically and Progressives think in multiple possibilities.

]]> By: I-RIGHT-I http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/04/pipes-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-496370 I-RIGHT-I Wed, 05 Apr 2006 13:51:11 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/04/pipes-iraq/#comment-496370 Don’t hold anything back, Sue! How do you really feel? Comment by Martin Just another example of why women shouldn't be allowed to vote or drive with a cell phone attached to their ear. Don’t hold anything back, Sue! How do you really feel?

Comment by Martin

Just another example of why women shouldn’t be allowed to vote or drive with a cell phone attached to their ear.

]]> By: RAL http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/04/pipes-iraq/comment-page-3/#comment-496294 RAL Wed, 05 Apr 2006 10:08:59 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/04/pipes-iraq/#comment-496294 Perhaps we should murder another 150,000 Iraqi civilians and spray another few thousand tons of DU all over the place to help encourage that elusive gratitude impulse. These people should be tried for war crimes, and publicly executed by beheading for their crimes against humanity. See you at the Hague Mr Pipes. Perhaps we should murder another 150,000 Iraqi civilians and spray another few thousand tons of DU all over the place to help encourage that elusive gratitude impulse.

These people should be tried for war crimes, and publicly executed by beheading for their crimes against humanity.

See you at the Hague Mr Pipes.

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