In Europe, much the same would happen. Brazil’s ethanol program provides about 20% of the nations automotive fuel needs, including

If a person is in this country illegally, they are a Criminal. How can anyone possibly not see that.

EvnThght, the word “Innocense is the first victim” is true. but we’ll pray for that innocense is not one of our family member. (Yo, Bush may not have ill-imm. latino blood in his clan or even he has but by his power he can cover it up before this thing happen.THEN This is not Bush’s prob, It is citizen’s prob.)

Why don’t we buy Mexico to make one of USA’s state. This thing will solve all current probs.

The prob is not comming to live in my country but it is a sense.
Sense of loyalty. They are not love my country as mush as we do. They are a like a lice who come to take our blood ’till dry/die. and leave to find anothr victim(s)

Send them home is the best choice but which way that the prob. They may join your enemy or some profit maker to damage your country.

That was one of the few sensible comments I read on here. All this selfish, irrational zealotry is frightning. Perhaps you should consider the debilitating economic effect that the US has had on LA. The majority of immigrants have left their beloved homes & villiges b/c they have been forced into such miserable poverty due to the neoliberal policies imposed by our government, that they cannot survive in their homelands. They are forced to move or they will die. It’s as simple as that.

I see no consideration for the neoliberalism that has ravaged the economies of most third world countries; or how so-called “free” trade deals like NAFTA, and huge North American food subsidies have created “dumping” of cheap food, which has forced many farmers to lose their land and move to overcrowded cities where the only work available to them is in maquiladoras at slave wages.

I have seen no discussion about the privatization of natural resources in Central and Latin America, where alleged “sovereign” governments understand that they cooperate and allow companies like Coca-Cola to take over the water supply, or face being erased, killed, murdered. A mere inkling that the people may rise-up and resist is cause for retaliation by military death squads which have been trained in the USA at the School of the Americas; trained in suppression and torture techniques to make sure that there will be no uprising?”

Let us not forget that our tax money is paying this, which makes all of us just a little bit responsible.

I’m in Alpharetta. More of a melting pot in that area than one would think. It goes to show that Immigrants can be successful AND legal! :-)

If citizenship for illegal aliens passes US companies lower wages and American
will have to quit: then US companies say Americans don’t want the job and hire
illegal aliens for low or lower wage; instead of US companies paying a $l a day or $l an hour in Mexico or China be paying that to Americans right here; and with those low wages be no SS or pensions.

There are two men we need and they both come from different parties. But
voting for the man and his ideas are better than voting a long party lines
And a very good example is clinton/gore/bush/chaney who destroyed Americans
and America.

That is Edwards who is agaisnt NAFTA coming from the texite mills where his
father and he worked putting himself thorugh college. And hopefully stop
th jobs from going offshore. And the other iis Republican Hayworth of
Arizona who wants to secure the borders and is for the people and takes
no crap. Edwards did tell Kerry not to concede. And he is a successful trial
lawyer for children so he could stick up for us too.

Get together with the Republicans for power in numbers and believe me they are
just as angry as you if not more.

Time to make a law that our children are not the policemen of the world and
no more wars like Korea, Viet Nam, Gulf and Iraq. Also to make a law that
presidents cannot take Americans jobs offshore or have illegal aliens take
American jobs here. If they had their way all the companies here hire illegal aliens
and all would be in China for a $1 a day. But how do they expect us to buy
from them when all our jobs are outsourced and illegal aliens taking our
jobs here. How do they expect us to buy from them when we have no jobs
or low pay jobs.

Fight a long with the Republicans against those two paddies who went against us.

4th generation democrat no longer.

Took the computer programemr year to find another job and half the wages when he

did.

Those 48 US welfare jobs in India taking US social and case workers jobs.

And on this Dell computer all from India.

McCain is wrong after NAFTA, outsourcing and CAFTA which on TV said l7 million

service jobs going offshore because of CAFTA. Americans will take two or three

of those jobs to survive. McCain/Kennedy joined up agaisnt us with citizenship

for illegal aliens so join up with the Republicans against them. They are as

angry as you. I wish Perot would have won and wouldn’t be in this big mess.

And not only did clinton/gore start it all with NAFTA they put in one way

trade with Communist China with their slave prison who export, Christmas

trees and toys to US, gulags is that what they are called, slave wages of $1

a day, skin alive cats, dogs, rabbits and other animals and a lot of other

horrible things in northern China for their fur. Korea eat cat and dogs.

With Hillary’s legal background cannot claim ignorance. This is another

violation to the Americans by clintongore/bush/chaney who all planned together

and probably planned in some back room.

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Again, thanks for your posts. Another good one. (Although I’m not a big fan of Perot- I have friends that worked for his company in the 80’s…nazi-like company policies)

BTW- Perot wasn’t alone in his warnings. Union leaders had much a more accurate vision of things to come when NAFTA was passed. (Let alone others that followed- CAFTA, etc.) We’re living them now.

Unions have been horribly demonized- Most people believe that it’s unions that forced companies to move overseas. Not at all true. Propaganda against them has been very effective. People forget that it’s unions that made the “middle-class”. Like them or not- they are a necessary part of the economic “checks and balances” system. Evidence of this can be found in executive compensation vs “worker” pay.

Although not a union member myself, I come from a strong union family and hire union labor in my business. (I started out “non-union” in my mechanical contracting business.) When my shop was “organized” (at my encouraging)- I quickly found out the benefits of a strong apprenticeship program. The superior skills of the people hired through the respective union halls allowed me to bid on jobs that otherwise would have been out of reach. They made the business much more money than would have otherwise been possible. My business is suffering horribly- but it has nothing to do with its union affiliation. We don’t “do” houses. We do industrial work-which has become all but non-existent here in the mid-west “rust belt”.

I certainly cannot speak for all union structures- But I will say that the Building Trades unions are good and just organizations.

I challenge Professor Krueger to a debate to defend his study. The intellectually dishonesty used in putting his research together is why most of us no longer trust political pundit information that both parties use. Professor Krueger knows in the most basic research discipline is you can not plug and play with your variables to make your conclusions work. I give Paul Krugman and Paul Craig Roberts credit for putting their political differences aside and using their economic knowledge to come to the truth. You cannot fix a problem if you lie to yourself.

Columnist Paul Krugman Breaks Ranks With Liberals On Immigration

NORTH OF THE BORDER

March 27, 2006

By Paul Krugman, New York Times

“Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,” wrote Emma Lazarus, in a poem that still puts a lump in my throat. I’m proud of America’s immigrant history, and grateful that the door was open when my grandparents fled Russia.

In other words, I’m instinctively, emotionally pro-immigration. But a review of serious, nonpartisan research reveals some uncomfortable facts about the economics of modern immigration, and immigration from Mexico in particular. If people like me are going to respond effectively to anti-immigrant demagogues, we have to acknowledge those facts.

First, the net benefits to the U.S. economy from immigration, aside from the large gains to the immigrants themselves, are small. Realistic estimates suggest that immigration since 1980 has raised the total income of native-born Americans by no more than a fraction of 1 percent.

Second, while immigration may have raised overall income slightly, many of the worst-off native-born Americans are hurt by immigration — especially immigration from Mexico. Because Mexican immigrants have much less education … they increase the supply of less-skilled labor, driving down the wages of the worst-paid Americans. The most authoritative recent study … by George Borjas and Lawrence Katz of Harvard, estimates that U.S. high school dropouts would earn as much as 8 percent more if it weren’t for Mexican immigration.

That’s why it’s intellectually dishonest to say, as President Bush does, that immigrants do “jobs that Americans will not do.” The willingness of Americans to do a job depends on how much that job pays — and the reason some jobs pay too little to attract native-born Americans is competition from poorly paid immigrants. Finally, … our social safety net has more holes in it than it should — and low-skill immigrants threaten to unravel that safety net. … Unfortunately, low-skill immigrants don’t pay enough taxes to cover the cost of the benefits they receive. …

We shouldn’t exaggerate these problems. Mexican immigration, says the Borjas-Katz study, has played only a “modest role” in growing U.S. inequality. And … the disastrous Medicare drug bill alone does far more to undermine … our social insurance system than the whole burden of …illegal immigrants. But modest problems are still real problems, and immigration is becoming a major political issue. What are we going to do bout it?

Realistically, we’ll need to reduce the inflow of low-skill immigrants. …But the harsh anti-immigration legislation passed by the House…legislation that would, among other things, make it a criminal act to provide an illegal immigrant with medical care — is simply immoral.

Meanwhile, Mr. Bush’s plan for a “guest worker” program is clearly designed by and for corporate interests, who’d love to have a low-wage work force that couldn’t vote. Not only is it deeply un-American; it does nothing to reduce the adverse effect of immigration on wages. And because guest workers would face the prospect of deportation after a few years, they would have no incentive to become integrated into our society.

What about a guest-worker program that includes a clearer route to citizenship? I’d still be careful. … it could all too easily … create a permanent underclass of disenfranchised workers. We need to do something about immigration, and soon. But I’d rather see Congress fail to agree on anything this year than have it rush into ill-considered legislation that betrays our moral and democratic principles.

The solution is to renegotiate are trade deals to equalize labor and environmental standards, while at the same time enforcing our current immigration laws. Also we need to secure our borders.

Ross Perot on Immigration

NAFTA will encourage illegal immigration

[It is a myth that] NAFTA will reduce illegal immigration. As manufacturing in northern Mexico expands, hundreds of thousands of Mexican workers will be drawn north. They will quickly find that wages in the Mexican maquiladora plants cannot compete with wages anywhere in the US. Out of economic necessity, many of these mobile workers will consider illegally immigrating into the US. In short, NAFTA has the potential to increase illegal immigration, not decrease it.
Source: Save Your Job, Save Our Country, by Ross Perot, p. 72 Jan 1, 1993

NAFTA lets Mexican professionals work in the US legally
Today, foreign professional workers can enter the US labor market, but only “temporarily” & only if an employer gets a certification that a qualified US worker cannot be found. Also, the existing US immigration laws place a numerical limit on the number of temporary workers. Put another way, American workers have priority for American jobs.
NAFA radically alters this entire concept. Under NAFTA, Mexican and Canadian workers in 63 designated categories may be hired in the US, even if qualified American workers are available.

Under NAFTA, Mexican and Canadian entrepreneurs will be able to provide US drug stores with pharmacists, hotels with managers, and so on. As a result, hundreds of thousands of professional American workers are going to be put under intense pressure to cut their wages and benefits. [Lower-skilled workers] are going to lose their jobs to low-paid foreign contract workers. While no one was watching, US NAFTA negotiators radically revised the nation’s immigration laws.

Source: Save Your Job, Save Our Country, p. 90-2 Jan 1, 1993

And I could care less if I’m pegged a bigot. If I wanted to live in a stupid mexican culture, I’d move to mexico. Illegals are totally screwing up the racial balance of the nation and there isn’t a single latin american nation that I would see as a model for a future of america so we gotta fix this fast. A latin north america is screwed.

It is utter bullshit. The illegals “MAY” be paid to clean but the neighborhoods in which they ran out the middle classes look like skanky mexican border towns. Rich people don’t have to live near this garbage. I’mn sick of going into stores where no one speaks english…for crying out loud this is america not the third world! Line em up and take em out now!