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		<title>By: Lora</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#71
I read your link already.  I&#039;m glad the conservative &quot;National Review&quot; and &quot;Weekly Standard&quot; have shown interest in this issue; I regret that the Bush administration hasn&#039;t yet.
As for feasbility, isn&#039;t it at least worth try, rather than sitting back and allowing hundreds of thousands of hours of untranslated backlog to continue piling up?  Please note that I am a professional translator/interpreter of Asian languages; so I think I know what I&#039;m talking about here, even though the languages are different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#71<br />
I read your link already.  I&#8217;m glad the conservative &#8220;National Review&#8221; and &#8220;Weekly Standard&#8221; have shown interest in this issue; I regret that the Bush administration hasn&#8217;t yet.<br />
As for feasbility, isn&#8217;t it at least worth try, rather than sitting back and allowing hundreds of thousands of hours of untranslated backlog to continue piling up?  Please note that I am a professional translator/interpreter of Asian languages; so I think I know what I&#8217;m talking about here, even though the languages are different.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=505233', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#69

I am not saying I don&#039;t agree with setting up these programs I am just raising questions as to the fesability given today&#039;s global information climate.  I posted this link hoping you would read it.  It specifically talks about the shortage of translators and ways on how to increase the recruits.   

http://www.nationalreview.com/ comment/ boulet200310080856.asp</description>
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<p>I am not saying I don&#8217;t agree with setting up these programs I am just raising questions as to the fesability given today&#8217;s global information climate.  I posted this link hoping you would read it.  It specifically talks about the shortage of translators and ways on how to increase the recruits.   </p>
<p><a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.nationalreview.com/</a> comment/ boulet200310080856.asp<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=505218', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Lora</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#68
Stop changing the subject.  You have absolutely no idea how many Americans would be willing to learn Arabic, Farsi, or whatever, because there aren&#039;t such schools in the first place.  Secondly, the intensive Japanese language training schools set up by FDR after Pearl Harbor were mainly within units of the military and intelligence agencies.  In other words, certain members of the Navy, for example, who were judged to have an aptitude or interest in learning a foreign language were sent to the very excellent Navy Language School, which in reality produced some of the top-knotch Japanese translators/interpreters.
Whether or not the FISA law, which in fact allows for a warrant to be obtained retroactively, is changed, the US intelligence agencies don&#039;t have the capability of translating any intercepted messages into English for several months in the first place.  It is a well-documented fact that a call intercepted on Sept. 10, 2001 between the terrorists referring to &quot;tomorrow as our day of glory&quot; wasn&#039;t translated until months after the event.  Under the current situation, the same thing could very well happen again.  If you were really concerned with fighting terror, you would insist that this government do something about training linguists capable of understanding the potential terrorists&#039; messages.  It is the first and most basic step.  If you don&#039;t get that yet, please don&#039;t bother me with any more silly escuses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#68<br />
Stop changing the subject.  You have absolutely no idea how many Americans would be willing to learn Arabic, Farsi, or whatever, because there aren&#8217;t such schools in the first place.  Secondly, the intensive Japanese language training schools set up by FDR after Pearl Harbor were mainly within units of the military and intelligence agencies.  In other words, certain members of the Navy, for example, who were judged to have an aptitude or interest in learning a foreign language were sent to the very excellent Navy Language School, which in reality produced some of the top-knotch Japanese translators/interpreters.<br />
Whether or not the FISA law, which in fact allows for a warrant to be obtained retroactively, is changed, the US intelligence agencies don&#8217;t have the capability of translating any intercepted messages into English for several months in the first place.  It is a well-documented fact that a call intercepted on Sept. 10, 2001 between the terrorists referring to &#8220;tomorrow as our day of glory&#8221; wasn&#8217;t translated until months after the event.  Under the current situation, the same thing could very well happen again.  If you were really concerned with fighting terror, you would insist that this government do something about training linguists capable of understanding the potential terrorists&#8217; messages.  It is the first and most basic step.  If you don&#8217;t get that yet, please don&#8217;t bother me with any more silly escuses.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=505206', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#67

I think it&#039;s a huge part of the problem especially for Arabic or Muslim men and women and given today&#039;s easy access to personal information that was not even avaliable to anyone back in the 1940s.  As far as setting up public language schools, you assume that today&#039;s American citizen would feel the need to actually participate in these classes given that it could only be VOLUNTARY and considering that there are so many that don&#039;t actually even consider this &quot;war on terror&quot; to even be a war or anything like the the U.S was engaged in during WW2.

BTW if we are talking about using all the possible tools at our disposal to try and prevent terrorism, then why isn&#039;t the outdated and impractical FISA law not being dropped in favor of a new one that reflects the current threat?</description>
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<p>I think it&#8217;s a huge part of the problem especially for Arabic or Muslim men and women and given today&#8217;s easy access to personal information that was not even avaliable to anyone back in the 1940s.  As far as setting up public language schools, you assume that today&#8217;s American citizen would feel the need to actually participate in these classes given that it could only be VOLUNTARY and considering that there are so many that don&#8217;t actually even consider this &#8220;war on terror&#8221; to even be a war or anything like the the U.S was engaged in during WW2.</p>
<p>BTW if we are talking about using all the possible tools at our disposal to try and prevent terrorism, then why isn&#8217;t the outdated and impractical FISA law not being dropped in favor of a new one that reflects the current threat?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=505156', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Lora</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#66
That may be a very small part of the problem.  But what I have been pointing out several times is that shortly after the Pearl Harbor attack the FDR government set up schools for intensive Japanese language training for young AMERICAN CITIZENS--given the times--mostly Caucasian men.  This history should be known to some people in the current government, but 4 1/2 years following 9/11 no similar program has been developed for Arabic and other Middle Eastern languages.  And just in case you haven&#039;t figured it out, more time has now passed since 9/11 than between Pearl Harbor and the end of WWII.  Any more excuses?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#66<br />
That may be a very small part of the problem.  But what I have been pointing out several times is that shortly after the Pearl Harbor attack the FDR government set up schools for intensive Japanese language training for young AMERICAN CITIZENS&#8211;given the times&#8211;mostly Caucasian men.  This history should be known to some people in the current government, but 4 1/2 years following 9/11 no similar program has been developed for Arabic and other Middle Eastern languages.  And just in case you haven&#8217;t figured it out, more time has now passed since 9/11 than between Pearl Harbor and the end of WWII.  Any more excuses?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=505060', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#63

You don&#039;t think that they are having trouble recruiting because potential candidates are fearful of their own lives if it were revealed that they were helping the U.S. government...do you?</description>
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<p>You don&#8217;t think that they are having trouble recruiting because potential candidates are fearful of their own lives if it were revealed that they were helping the U.S. government&#8230;do you?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=504588', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Lora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#64 Walt,
Perhaps even worst or at least equally worst is that according to a surprisingly good article a few years back in the conservative &quot;Weekly Standard,&quot; which one of my cousins gets, even with American-born American citizens who apply to be work for the CIA, there tends to be suspicion towards those who have spent a lot of time overseas.  But, of course, those who have spent some time abroad are the ones who are most likely to be conversant in a foreign language or two, including its slang and perhaps some of its dialects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#64 Walt,<br />
Perhaps even worst or at least equally worst is that according to a surprisingly good article a few years back in the conservative &#8220;Weekly Standard,&#8221; which one of my cousins gets, even with American-born American citizens who apply to be work for the CIA, there tends to be suspicion towards those who have spent a lot of time overseas.  But, of course, those who have spent some time abroad are the ones who are most likely to be conversant in a foreign language or two, including its slang and perhaps some of its dialects.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=504260', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: WaltTheMan</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/10/thinkfast-april-10-2006/comment-page-2/#comment-503999</link>
		<dc:creator>WaltTheMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Apr 2006 00:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#63 - Lora,
Worst yet, I have dozens of Arabic speaking friends. At least three of them are multi-fluent, able to speak and translate all of the dialects. Problem is that they were born in the near east. One is in the Navy and took the CIA test and passed it without reference material (He did not realize that he could bring in cheat sheets and dictionaries.). Unfortunately he was born in Lebanon and still has kin there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#63 &#8211; Lora,<br />
Worst yet, I have dozens of Arabic speaking friends. At least three of them are multi-fluent, able to speak and translate all of the dialects. Problem is that they were born in the near east. One is in the Navy and took the CIA test and passed it without reference material (He did not realize that he could bring in cheat sheets and dictionaries.). Unfortunately he was born in Lebanon and still has kin there.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=503999', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Lora</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/10/thinkfast-april-10-2006/comment-page-2/#comment-503961</link>
		<dc:creator>Lora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2006 23:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#62
The news that the US State Department still has only 10 employees fluent in Arabic was on this site about two months ago.  I don&#039;t have newer links, but the fact is that shortly after Pearl Harbor the FDR government set up intensive Japanese-language training schools (the Navy one in particular produced top-notch translators/interpreters), and that the Bush administration has done nothing similar to produce more people competent in Arabic and other languages spoken in Muslim countries.  
Incidentally, both Kerry and Edwards brought up the matters of the hundreds of thousands of hours of backlog in untranslated interceptions from terror suspects, and both Bush and Cheney didn&#039;t deny it but simply avoided giving a proper answer.  Since the language schools like those set up for Japanese after Pearl Harbor simply don&#039;t exist, I have no reason to believe that the situation has improved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#62<br />
The news that the US State Department still has only 10 employees fluent in Arabic was on this site about two months ago.  I don&#8217;t have newer links, but the fact is that shortly after Pearl Harbor the FDR government set up intensive Japanese-language training schools (the Navy one in particular produced top-notch translators/interpreters), and that the Bush administration has done nothing similar to produce more people competent in Arabic and other languages spoken in Muslim countries.<br />
Incidentally, both Kerry and Edwards brought up the matters of the hundreds of thousands of hours of backlog in untranslated interceptions from terror suspects, and both Bush and Cheney didn&#8217;t deny it but simply avoided giving a proper answer.  Since the language schools like those set up for Japanese after Pearl Harbor simply don&#8217;t exist, I have no reason to believe that the situation has improved.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=503961', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/10/thinkfast-april-10-2006/comment-page-2/#comment-503937</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2006 23:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#61

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/boulet200310080856.asp

This article was posted in 2003.  What is the current situation now?  Do you have some links to recent articles citing this problem?</description>
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<p><a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/boulet200310080856.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/boulet200310080856.asp</a></p>
<p>This article was posted in 2003.  What is the current situation now?  Do you have some links to recent articles citing this problem?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=503937', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Lora</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/10/thinkfast-april-10-2006/comment-page-2/#comment-503909</link>
		<dc:creator>Lora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2006 22:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tracy,
You and your fellow reichwingers still haven&#039;t given a reasonable explanation of why 4 and 1/2 years after 9/11 the Bush administration still hasn&#039;t developed a program to increase the number of US intelligence agents capable of translating/interpreting the languages likely to be used by potential terrorists.  What&#039;s the point of collecting intelligence and intercepting calls/e-mails if they are going to remain untranslated for months and months?  Getting an adequate number of intelligence officers competent in Arabic, Farsi and other languages spoken in Muslim countries should be one of the most basic steps in fighting terrorism, but the Bush administration still hasn&#039;t taken it.  In reality, the Busheviks are all talk but ultimately very weak on terror.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tracy,<br />
You and your fellow reichwingers still haven&#8217;t given a reasonable explanation of why 4 and 1/2 years after 9/11 the Bush administration still hasn&#8217;t developed a program to increase the number of US intelligence agents capable of translating/interpreting the languages likely to be used by potential terrorists.  What&#8217;s the point of collecting intelligence and intercepting calls/e-mails if they are going to remain untranslated for months and months?  Getting an adequate number of intelligence officers competent in Arabic, Farsi and other languages spoken in Muslim countries should be one of the most basic steps in fighting terrorism, but the Bush administration still hasn&#8217;t taken it.  In reality, the Busheviks are all talk but ultimately very weak on terror.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=503909', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/10/thinkfast-april-10-2006/comment-page-2/#comment-503889</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2006 22:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#59

You need to read a little further than the first few of paragraphs.

&quot;After some deliberation the Saudi Monarch refused bin Laden&#039;s offer and instead opted to allow United States and allied forces to deploy on his territory. Bin Laden considered this a treacherous deed. He believed that the presence of foreign troops in the &quot;land of the two mosques&quot; (Mecca and Medina) profaned sacred soil. After speaking publicly against the Saudi government for harboring American troops he was quickly forced into exile to Sudan and his Saudi citizenship was revoked.

Shortly afterwards the movement which came to be known as al-Qaeda was formed.&quot;</description>
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<p>You need to read a little further than the first few of paragraphs.</p>
<p>&#8220;After some deliberation the Saudi Monarch refused bin Laden&#8217;s offer and instead opted to allow United States and allied forces to deploy on his territory. Bin Laden considered this a treacherous deed. He believed that the presence of foreign troops in the &#8220;land of the two mosques&#8221; (Mecca and Medina) profaned sacred soil. After speaking publicly against the Saudi government for harboring American troops he was quickly forced into exile to Sudan and his Saudi citizenship was revoked.</p>
<p>Shortly afterwards the movement which came to be known as al-Qaeda was formed.&#8221;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=503889', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: WaltTheMan</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/10/thinkfast-april-10-2006/comment-page-2/#comment-503812</link>
		<dc:creator>WaltTheMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tracy, read your link in #58. Can you read? From your link:

&quot;The origins of al-Qaeda can be traced to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, when a cadre of non-Afghani, Arab Muslim fighters joined the largely United States and Pakistan-funded Afghan mujÄhidÄ«n anti-Russian resistance movement. Osama bin Laden, a member of a prominent Saudi Arabian business family, led an informal grouping which became a leading fundraiser and recruitment agency for the Afghan cause in Muslim countries; it channelled Islamic fighters to the conflict, distributed money and provided logistical skills and resources to both fighting forces and Afghan refugees.

After the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan in 1989 many committed veterans of the war wished to fight for Islamic causes elsewhere. The invasion and occupation of Kuwait by Iraq in 1990 saw US and coalition troops sent to Saudi Arabia in preparedness for expelling Iraqi occupying forces from Kuwait. Al-Qaeda was strongly opposed to the secular regime of Saddam Hussein and bin Laden had offered use of his fighters&#039; services to the Saudi throne, but the deployment of &#039;infidel&#039; forces to Islamic sacred territory was seen as an act of treachery by bin Laden. He placed the grouping in militant opposition to the United States and its allies. Al-Qaeda came to claim the U.S. military presence in several Islamic countries (particularly Saudi Arabia), the U.S. support for Israel in the Arab-Israeli conflict, and more recently the 2003 invasion and occupation of Iraq as reasons for militant action.

Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri are senior members of al-Qaeda&#039;s shura council, and are believed to be in contact with some of al-Qaeda&#039;s other cells.&quot;

Why ever do you provide a link to a page that refutes your argument? Perhaps, you hope that others will not open the link.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tracy, read your link in #58. Can you read? From your link:</p>
<p>&#8220;The origins of al-Qaeda can be traced to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, when a cadre of non-Afghani, Arab Muslim fighters joined the largely United States and Pakistan-funded Afghan mujÄhidÄ«n anti-Russian resistance movement. Osama bin Laden, a member of a prominent Saudi Arabian business family, led an informal grouping which became a leading fundraiser and recruitment agency for the Afghan cause in Muslim countries; it channelled Islamic fighters to the conflict, distributed money and provided logistical skills and resources to both fighting forces and Afghan refugees.</p>
<p>After the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan in 1989 many committed veterans of the war wished to fight for Islamic causes elsewhere. The invasion and occupation of Kuwait by Iraq in 1990 saw US and coalition troops sent to Saudi Arabia in preparedness for expelling Iraqi occupying forces from Kuwait. Al-Qaeda was strongly opposed to the secular regime of Saddam Hussein and bin Laden had offered use of his fighters&#8217; services to the Saudi throne, but the deployment of &#8216;infidel&#8217; forces to Islamic sacred territory was seen as an act of treachery by bin Laden. He placed the grouping in militant opposition to the United States and its allies. Al-Qaeda came to claim the U.S. military presence in several Islamic countries (particularly Saudi Arabia), the U.S. support for Israel in the Arab-Israeli conflict, and more recently the 2003 invasion and occupation of Iraq as reasons for militant action.</p>
<p>Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri are senior members of al-Qaeda&#8217;s shura council, and are believed to be in contact with some of al-Qaeda&#8217;s other cells.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why ever do you provide a link to a page that refutes your argument? Perhaps, you hope that others will not open the link.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=503812', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/10/thinkfast-april-10-2006/comment-page-2/#comment-503712</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#53

&quot;The Mujahideen WAS a terrorist organization - they fought the soviets, much like they fight us in Iraq now.&quot;

A terrorist is someone who intentionally kills civilians for a political purpose.  The Mujahideen didn&#039;t  make a habit of killing civilians to advance their Soviet resistance cause in the 1980s.  Those in Iraq who engage U.S. forces, I don&#039;t consider to be terrorists; however, when they blow up mosques and markets killing innocent civilians, then they are terrorists.  

&quot;The modern Al Queda is in fact the SAME Mujahideen we TRAINED and FUNDED in Afghanistan&quot;

Bin Laden took various elements of the Mujahideen after the Soviets left and formed today&#039;s al Qaeda AFTER the first Gulf War in 1991.  This is when bin Laden adopted the use of blind civilian killing as a tool to wage his war against the &quot;infidels&quot;.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda

&quot;After speaking publicly against the Saudi government for harboring American troops he was quickly forced into exile to Sudan and his Saudi citizenship was revoked.  Shortly afterwards the movement which came to be known as al-Qaeda was formed.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#53</p>
<p>&#8220;The Mujahideen WAS a terrorist organization &#8211; they fought the soviets, much like they fight us in Iraq now.&#8221;</p>
<p>A terrorist is someone who intentionally kills civilians for a political purpose.  The Mujahideen didn&#8217;t  make a habit of killing civilians to advance their Soviet resistance cause in the 1980s.  Those in Iraq who engage U.S. forces, I don&#8217;t consider to be terrorists; however, when they blow up mosques and markets killing innocent civilians, then they are terrorists.  </p>
<p>&#8220;The modern Al Queda is in fact the SAME Mujahideen we TRAINED and FUNDED in Afghanistan&#8221;</p>
<p>Bin Laden took various elements of the Mujahideen after the Soviets left and formed today&#8217;s al Qaeda AFTER the first Gulf War in 1991.  This is when bin Laden adopted the use of blind civilian killing as a tool to wage his war against the &#8220;infidels&#8221;.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda</a></p>
<p>&#8220;After speaking publicly against the Saudi government for harboring American troops he was quickly forced into exile to Sudan and his Saudi citizenship was revoked.  Shortly afterwards the movement which came to be known as al-Qaeda was formed.&#8221;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=503712', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Lora</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/10/thinkfast-april-10-2006/comment-page-2/#comment-503128</link>
		<dc:creator>Lora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The question in November will be who(sic) do you trust to better protect America from terrorists? IT wonâ€™t be the party who wants to make it more difficult to wiretap terrorists and â€œkill the Patriot Act.â€

Comment by Unemployment Rate - 4.7% 

To Dubious Unemployment Rate,
Even if the Bush administration is wiretapping terrorists only (which I personally doubt), the undisputed fact is that the various US intelligence agencies
are sorely lacking in translators/interpreters capable of rendering their messages  from Arabic, Farsi, Urdu, etc. into English.  There are already hundreds of thousands of hours in backlog of intercepted messages that remain untranslated.  As long as the Bush administration shows no interest in developing a program to teach  intelligence agents Arabic and other languages likely to be spoken by Muslim terrorists the way FDR did with Japanese-language training almost immediately after Pearl Harbor, even if significant messages are picked up, they will probably get translated too late, like the message intercepted on 9/10/2001 that referred to &quot;tomorrow as a day of glory&quot; but which wasn&#039;t put into English until well after 9/11. 
I wish one of you reichwingers would offer a decent explanation of who is going to translate all those wiretapped messages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question in November will be who(sic) do you trust to better protect America from terrorists? IT wonâ€™t be the party who wants to make it more difficult to wiretap terrorists and â€œkill the Patriot Act.â€</p>
<p>Comment by Unemployment Rate &#8211; 4.7% </p>
<p>To Dubious Unemployment Rate,<br />
Even if the Bush administration is wiretapping terrorists only (which I personally doubt), the undisputed fact is that the various US intelligence agencies<br />
are sorely lacking in translators/interpreters capable of rendering their messages  from Arabic, Farsi, Urdu, etc. into English.  There are already hundreds of thousands of hours in backlog of intercepted messages that remain untranslated.  As long as the Bush administration shows no interest in developing a program to teach  intelligence agents Arabic and other languages likely to be spoken by Muslim terrorists the way FDR did with Japanese-language training almost immediately after Pearl Harbor, even if significant messages are picked up, they will probably get translated too late, like the message intercepted on 9/10/2001 that referred to &#8220;tomorrow as a day of glory&#8221; but which wasn&#8217;t put into English until well after 9/11.<br />
I wish one of you reichwingers would offer a decent explanation of who is going to translate all those wiretapped messages.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=503128', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: WaltTheMan</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/10/thinkfast-april-10-2006/comment-page-2/#comment-503010</link>
		<dc:creator>WaltTheMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2006 02:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daily show time. I&#039;m out for a while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daily show time. I&#8217;m out for a while.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=503010', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Zookeeper</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/10/thinkfast-april-10-2006/comment-page-2/#comment-502995</link>
		<dc:creator>Zookeeper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2006 02:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#52 - &lt;em&gt;Well you out did yourself this time. &lt;/em&gt;
I usually do.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#52 &#8211; <em>Well you out did yourself this time. </em><br />
I usually do.  Thanks.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=502995', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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