White House Responds To Criticism of Bush’s Leak With More Leaks
White House Responds To Criticism of Bush’s Leak With More Leaks
In recent days President Bush has come under intense criticism for authorizing the leak of the National Intelligence Estimate as part of an effort to punish former Ambassador Joseph Wilson. How has the White House responded? More leaks. From today’s New York Times:
A senior administration official confirmed for the first time on Sunday that President Bush had ordered the declassification of parts of a prewar intelligence report on Iraq in an effort to rebut critics who said the administration had exaggerated the nuclear threat posed by Saddam Hussein.
But the official said that Mr. Bush did not designate Vice President Dick Cheney’s chief of staff, I. Lewis Libby Jr., or anyone else, to release the information to reporters.
…Moreover, the disclosure seemed intended to suggest that Mr. Bush might have played only a peripheral role in the release of the classified material and was uninformed about the specifics — like the effort to dispatch Mr. Libby to discuss the estimate with reporters.
It’s time for President Bush to stop spinning this story with “senior administration officials” and, as Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA) suggests, speak directly to the American people about exactly what happened.
More on this issue at Americablog.
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YOU’D THINK THE CORPORATE MEDIA WOULD FIGURE IT OUT BY NOW.
IF THERE’S AN ADMINISTRATION SOURCE SAYING GOOD THINGS ABOUT THE PRESIDENT OFF THE RECORD, THEY’RE PROBABLY BEING PLAYED.
I MEAN, WHY WOULD SOMEONE SAY GOOD THINGS OFF THE RECORD UNLESS THEY WERE LYING?
BAD THINGS OFF THE RECORD, I COULD SEE. THEY DON’T WANT RETRIBUTION.
BUT GOOD THINGS? IT’S A SCAM.
April 10th, 2006 at 9:46 amJudd - you are such a hypocrite. Bush declassified info - something he is allowed to do becasue John Kerry was a horrible candidate. Also, Joe Wilson is a proven LIAR. The White House had ever right to refute his claims that Cheney sent him to Niger.
I am sick of ThinkProgress’ lies.
April 10th, 2006 at 9:46 amWell, I didn’t say Bush wasn’t “allowed to do it.” I mearly pointing out that he did do it. And what he did was directly participate in an effort to punish Joe Wilson, an effort that included the outing of his wife.
Now the White House responding to criticism that he was involved with more leaks. You might not like it but it happens to be the truth.
April 10th, 2006 at 9:51 amHere is a great link regarding intent on the WHIG : http://rawstory.com/ news/ 2005/ Outed_CIA_officer_was_working_on_0213.html
April 10th, 2006 at 9:54 amJudd - Joe Wilson lied about who sent him to Niger. That is a HUGE story and brings into question the relevance of his attack and begs the question of how he got to go to Niger in the first place.
This is the criminalization of politics and will not stand with the American people. The President’s biggest problems right now have nothing to do with this two bit partisan attack, rather immigration and spending.
April 10th, 2006 at 9:55 am#2 Cheney requested the CIA to look into the possibility of Niger’s involvement. Mr. Wilson was brought up by the CIA (not by a referral of either Cheney or Wilson’s wife). There is a link but not specifically by name. You can twist all you want but you can’t change the facts. Chew on this as well, regardless of the exact information Bush decided to declassify, he did it as a political ploy. There was no national benifit to release what he did. it was done to try and take heat off of his trumped up charges for the war. Which, by the way have been PROVEN TO BE FALSE.
April 10th, 2006 at 9:55 am#5 UR4.saken, That’s like saying we can’t have dad not working just because he and his buddys beat the crap out of mom.
April 10th, 2006 at 10:00 amJoe Wilson didn’t lie about who sent him to Niger. For the facts that debunk that and other right-wing myths see our document: Right-Wing Myths About The Leak Investigation
April 10th, 2006 at 10:00 amGeez, all this leaking! The White House is starting to look like a “Huggies” diaper commercial.
50 Ways To Dump The Dubya
April 10th, 2006 at 10:00 amUnemployment,
Immigration is a big issue because the Repub’s are using it as a diversion away from all of their criminal acts.
Spending, yes, is an issue. The billions of pork in the budget. Bush’s ridiculous tax break - during wartime - to the top 2% of the population.
This IS a big deal. The President is LYING, and is trying to continue to lie his way out of this mess. Oh, and let’s not forget his lovely ILLEGAL SPYING program.
You need to open your eyes.
April 10th, 2006 at 10:02 amJudd - while you are focusing on this non-issue, the GOP will be piecing back together their shattered base on REAL issues. This left-wing witch hunt based on LIES from Joe Wilson will not stand. Don’t cry when we beat you again come November.
April 10th, 2006 at 10:03 amLies. Secrecy. Twisted facts. An agenda
April 10th, 2006 at 10:03 amthat had little to do with Iraq’s weapons status.
So, Mr. Bush…how does if feel to be
‘BETWEEN IRAQ & A HARD PLACE?
TrueBlue - let’s take that to the people. I dare you to run on an anti-wiretapping platform. You will be painted a terrorist sympo.
April 10th, 2006 at 10:04 amIt’s not time for the president to talk straight with the American people. It’s time for him to be fired. Enough said.
April 10th, 2006 at 10:05 amThe President’s new claims ring rather hollow.
Once the President declassifed the information there was technically nothing for him to be further concerned about. It was at the same level as something appearing in Time magazine. Why is he now aghast that Cheney released the information to anyone?
More to the point. Why was it critical that the information be declassified to begin with? At the point he declassified the information, what did the President think was going to happen to the information? It doesn’t take a genius to connect the dots here.
Ten days later, as I understand it, all of this information was released anyhow.
Bottom line, so we don’t the typical changing of the issue from the administration, since the President obviously knew that he was the source of the declassification AND that through Cheney the material was leaked, why was there this constant plea of innocence that the President didn’t know where the leak was coming from?
April 10th, 2006 at 10:05 amNo, I daresay people will simply think I’m following the Constitution.
April 10th, 2006 at 10:07 amHere is a great time line from TPM; Enjoy http://talkingpointsmemo.com/niger-uranium.php
April 10th, 2006 at 10:09 amHere is a great article by the LA Times on leaking. Enjoy. http://www.latimes.com/ news/ nationworld/ nation/ la-na-leakculture9apr09,0,7435898.story?coll=la-home-headlines
April 10th, 2006 at 10:12 amSomeone drag that lieing, scumbag, War Pig, thief out of his limo by his ear, dip him in some fairly soft road tar, then sprinkle heavily with buzzard feathers.
April 10th, 2006 at 10:15 amHe likes it!
I cannot wait until the mid-term elections show that the American people are sick and tired of the lies of the GOP and spin that White House is engaging in. Once the GOP begins to lose seats, the democracy will begin working in America again.
IF Pres. Bush “declassified” the information he approved for leaking, why did he continue to call it “leaking information”? Nobody seems to be willing to ask that question. IF Pres. Bush was responsible for what he called “a leak of classified information”, why doesn’t he just admit he did it?
It all boils down to the fact that Pres. Bush is trying to maintain his “honor” by calling the leak a bad thing, while engaging in political “pay-back” over Mr. Wilson telling the truth about the false case for war in Iraq.
April 10th, 2006 at 10:20 amGee, I thought this adminisration sunk as low as it could go, two more years and it
April 10th, 2006 at 10:21 amwill be a total disaster. True blue, you are in dreamland
So Bush&Co respond to leaks by leaking themselves.
April 10th, 2006 at 10:26 amBush&Co threaten to respond to nukes in Iran by nuking them.
War is peace. Up is down. Black is white. Ignorance is strength.
Iran is Eurasia or is it Oceania. What week is this? Winston?!
how so, Jane?
April 10th, 2006 at 10:26 amI thought telling Unemployment that being against spying would be following the Constitution and not being a terrorist sympo. You disagree?
Judd - while you are focusing on this non-issue, the GOP will be piecing back together their shattered base on REAL issues.
Comment by Unemployment Rate - 4.7%
What kind of a handle is Uemployment Rate? I’ll give you credit for pushing Bush’s bragging about the 5,000,000 new jobs he has created. Of course, most were in the low paying service sector and a HUGE majority were part-time and without any benefits so a good many of the Mexicans illegals will need two or three to make ends meet.
Correct me if I’m wrong, UR, but just what REAL issue will the Repugnacants be bringing out again this year: the Gay Marriage amendment? Keeping “In God we trust” on our coins? Keeping the Pledge of Alliegance in the School Systems across America? I think the issue I like the best is the one they drag out every 2 years about a Flag burning amendment.
I mean, all of these smokescreen issues are lame as hell and only the Republican sheeple see a REAL threat in any of them.
You need to get a clue, dipstick. Your thin-assed arguements sound just like mighty aphrodite’s.
April 10th, 2006 at 10:27 amBushCo = LIARS
April 10th, 2006 at 10:34 amProve me wrong now! HA!
Hillarious. Our righties try to claim a leak isn’t a leak if the president says so. But correct me if I’m wrong, but it appears that the status to declassified of the docs exposing the identity of Valerie Plame weren’t declassified for 10 days after first leaks authorized by bushco.
Then our righties go for the classic strawman, claiming the issue of who sent Wlison & why(again debunked) and finally, trying to change the threads issue and lastly lashing out by claiming future electoral bashing.
Yea, that’s how to see repubs at the polls come November…..Can you be stupider? Yea, you could. You could be posting the same bull at redstate and getting standing ovations.
April 10th, 2006 at 10:35 amJoe,
April 10th, 2006 at 10:35 amWouldn’t you like to find out what the real unemployment rate is?… ya know, the way they used to count it? Not only count those who are unemployment, but also those who have used up their benefits and still haven’t found a job.
Now that would be an interesting number!
Unemployment - 4.7%
April 10th, 2006 at 10:35 amFirst of all, I’m working, but making 2/3 of what I made two years ago, due to outsourcing.
Secondly, do you have anything to say about Wilson except repeating the claim that he lied? Joe Wilson never said Cheney sent him to Niger. Cheney did want the claims “investigated” by someone, and Wilson was chosen. When Cheney didn’t get the answer and Wilson went public, Cheney began the hatchet job. BTW, the hatchet job included the rhetoric that “Joe Wilson claimed Cheney sent him”, which he never, ever said.
What I want to hear from Bush is WHY he declassified an active agent. I bet he hasn’t come up with a lie to cover that aspect yet, because really, that’s a hard one to spin, even to the desperate television crowd.
April 10th, 2006 at 10:38 amDemocracy is often an untidy affair. In the early days of our country it even involved the resolution
April 10th, 2006 at 10:38 amof a dispute in a duel. Today we are somewhat more civil in our debates. It is important that we not
let our communication of issues be distorted by the distortion of facts into propoganda. Other than that let the insults fly!
Should have said when Cheney didn’t get the answer he wanted, he began the hatchet job.
My comment about pay is an answer to your 4.7% number. Low unemployment doesn’t matter if all the jobs are paying $5.75 an hour.
April 10th, 2006 at 10:39 am4.7 unemployement includes all the illegal aliens working in this country , the figures of unemployed and older americans is not included . Like everything else withe this administration , it is hype , propaganda , ming control and down right lies .
April 10th, 2006 at 10:52 amTo disguise the figures on inflation , they keep pour borders open so to lower wages and utilize slave labor , yes slave labor , exploitation pure ans simple. These masses of alien rightly so demand citizenship and will vote and wages will not be below minimum.
Tru blue, sorry my comment was meant for Unemployment, 4.7%
April 10th, 2006 at 10:54 amold Scotty McC can’t say that it’s “a few Democrats” just trying to gain political advantage when Specter is leading the charge!
April 10th, 2006 at 10:54 amHe doesn’t need to speak to me. I know what his actions have been. I require no explanation for preznecks criminal actions. Just send him to prison where he belongs for being awol. Screw this little man and his criminal cabal. Fucking dunces are runing things and other stupid vapid congress critters are asking for explanatios. No one stops this administration. Doom hangs high over our head.
April 10th, 2006 at 10:56 amNo problem, Jane :)
April 10th, 2006 at 11:04 amWhat a fucking idiot. Bush is answering questions on Iraq at Johns Hopkins Intl. Studies School and a woman asked him an “interesting question” in Bush’s words, about what laws apply to private contractors, and he admitted not only not KNOWING the answer, but admitted never even ASKING the question to his generals. Bush said it was a very important question, but of course he never asked it.
Sounds like the same Bush who was faced with Katrina. And the same Bush faced with 9/11.
Bush: No questions, no comments, no public knowledge, no public privacy, no intellegence.
April 10th, 2006 at 11:12 amAGAIN: “I’m not trying to dodge again”, “I don’t know”, “I’m gonna have to talk to my press secretary.”
Those are Bush’s responses to a question about prostitution in foreign countries.
April 10th, 2006 at 11:19 amBush is a certified pathological liar, so it is not possible for him to tell the truth about anything! He blatantly lied to the American people, and the Congress, about WMD in Iraq to swindle our nation into invading and occupying that nation to control its oil reserves! He told Libby and Rove to give classified information on Valerie Plame/Wilson to the press and then claimed to Americans that he had no idea who leaked the info! Dubya must either resign or be impeached!
April 10th, 2006 at 11:33 amBottom bottom line, ging to “WAR” is a BIG thing wouldn’t you want to be absolutely sure before sending humans somewhere to destroy humans and a civilization?
April 10th, 2006 at 11:36 amLet me ask you this how would YOU feel if your son or daughter was killed for a bogus WAR, and on top of that how should we all feel with huge amounts of radioactive material left in Iraq and Afghanistan that are sure to make their way around the world, then Bush even thinking of dropping a nuke in Iran tells me this administration is totally insane and so are we for standing by. A million people protest the immigration policy, We should have millions of people flooding the streets over this administration, this illegal, immoral “War” and the prospect of all out nuclear contamination is way beyond me.
# 37, Saw Bush as well painfully trying to answer the question about security contractors in Iraq. So pathetic. “I was just fixin’ to call Donnie and ask him” the question asker said she asked Dumsfeld the same question and he didn’t know either.
April 10th, 2006 at 12:03 pmHow pathetic! How many private security contractors are in Iraq? It’s quite a few. Neither the president or sec. of defense know who they answer too. Bush laughs at his own stupidity. Can’t wait to see that prick laughing in Nov. Impeach!!!!!
Why did “Ambassador” to Gabon (hahahahahaha) Joe Wilson tell such an amazing lie about having “debunked” documents as forgeries when he returned from his vacation to Niger when he had never seen the documents and the United States government did not obtain the documents until months after Wilson’s vacation to Niger? Also, what expertise did “Ambassador” Wilson have to be sent on vacation to Niger and who is the idiot who sent Wilson to Niger?
April 10th, 2006 at 12:14 pm#24 That’s NeD and that’s all he can come up with. He’s got deep maternal issues and self-hatred. He just doesn’t understand that his number is meaningless when folks are making half the money they did. He just hasn’t been educated very well. I feel sorry for him.
So, every once in a while I like to talk to him. He has nobody else. And really, aren’t we progressives caring of everyone? NeD is not retarded as his IQ is a high enough not to need hospitalization, but not high enough to understand what is going on. He just gets his info from others as he can’t really form his own opinions. And when he does, it is just letting us know that republicans are always going to win, they will tear our hearts out, they kill us, they will murder us, they will stomp on us. He is just a kid.
April 10th, 2006 at 12:40 pmWhy did “President” Bush lie about firing anyone involved?
Don’t you think presidential integrity means anything? If clods can get worked up over a blowjob shouldn’t they be equally incensed about lying to cover up the intentional outing of a CIA agent?
April 10th, 2006 at 12:43 pmReply to comment #2: No you are the hypocrite because you got the story all wrong. I know Fox New reported that the NIE was declassified, which is not true at the time to the leak. The NIE was parcially declassified 10 days laters and only reflected the parts the administration favored. You shoot from the hip republicans are all alike, short on truth and misled by Fox and talking points. I watch Fox, CNN and MSBNC and C-Span to get a cross section of reporting. If you check you facts with C-Span which is non-parisan, you’ll see that the NIE as de-classified 10 days after the fact as I said.
Second, although the President can declassify any classified material, there is a process which he must go through first. It cannot be done by merely giving a verbal order. Third if you get the true facts you’ll also discover that trying to silence political opponants isn’t a good reason to declassify a report. If everything was so above board, why didn’t they have a press briefing? Since when is the leak the official word of the US governent. I don’t know about you but I believe in open government, not a closed system that works on leaks. If the President wants me to know something as a citizen, then he should go a TV and tell me, not leak it to a reporter.
You really need to stop drinking the kool-aid and stop letting Fox twist you mind so much, that you don’t have enough brains to check multiple sources before drawing conclusions. People like you are what is wrong with this country, you sit around and make statements without all of the facts. I don’t listen to the democrats to get my news, as I said, I watch multiple sources including Fox to try to get a the real truth, because both sides are always spinning things. Neither the Democrats or Republicans tell the truth 100 percent of the time. Both parties lie to further their political aims, but if you can’t see that, then there is not hope for you.
April 10th, 2006 at 12:46 pmReply to comment #2: No you are the hypocrite because you got the story all wrong. I know Fox New reported that the NIE was declassified, which is not true at the time to the leak. The NIE was parcially declassified 10 days laters and only reflected the parts the administration favored. You shoot from the hip republicans are all alike, short on truth and misled by Fox and talking points. I watch Fox, CNN and MSBNC and C-Span to get a cross section of reporting. If you check you facts with C-Span which is non-parisan, you’ll see that the NIE as de-classified 10 days after the fact as I said.
Second, although the President can declassify any classified material, there is a process which he must go through first. It cannot be done by merely giving a verbal order. Third if you get the true facts you’ll also discover that trying to silence political opponants isn’t a good reason to declassify a report. If everything was so above board, why didn’t they have a press briefing? Since when is the leak the official word of the US governent. I don’t know about you but I believe in open government, not a closed system that works on leaks. If the President wants me to know something as a citizen, then he should go a TV and tell me, not leak it to a reporter.
You really need to stop drinking the kool-aid and stop letting Fox twist your mind so much that you don’t have enough brains to check multiple sources before drawing conclusions. People like you are what is wrong with this country, you sit around and make statements without all of the facts. I don’t listen to the democrats to get my news, as I said, I watch multiple sources including Fox to try to get a the real truth, because both sides are always spinning things. Neither the Democrats or Republicans tell the truth 100 percent of the time. Both parties lie to further their political aims, but if you can’t see that, then there is not hope for you.
April 10th, 2006 at 12:47 pmThe White House had ever right to refute his claims that Cheney sent him to Niger.
I am sick of ThinkProgress’ lies.
Comment by Unemployment Rate #2
Hey Unemployable Rat,
ask yourself ONE simple question…
…if- as you say- the criminal Bushite junta had every right to rebut Joe Wilson…
…why didn’t Bushiva just hold a press conference to do it?
…Why all the masquerading and feigned (that means “fake”) anger on Bushiva’s part…
…as he threatened to “fire the leaker”…
…Why cost taxpayers millions to investigate… HIMSELF?
Unemployable Rat, You need to stop worshipping at the altar of blood and corruption…
…of the criminal TREASONOUS Bushite junta…
Think sh*thead, THINK!
April 10th, 2006 at 12:53 pmYou remember what scooter was charged with?Perjury and obstruction of justice?Could all this hubbub be primary to the charges agaist him rather than proof that the WH leaked classified info from the NIE?Could scooter just be lying about being urged to leak?Could smirky be lapping this up as scooter takes a real tumble for the cons?Of course scooter’s testimony is so fractured and convoluted and pipe dreamy that it may just be another red herring to distract from the fact that the war mongers have a new surprise to kill more and more people.Never take anything at face value from this administration.
April 10th, 2006 at 12:56 pmAlso, what expertise did “Ambassador†Wilson have to be sent on vacation to Niger and who is the idiot who sent Wilson to Niger?
Comment by Tom #42
TomDumb,
…obviously Wilson had MORE qualifications than either TRAITOR Bushiva or L’il Dick…
…those documents were/ARE forgeries…
…there was NO purchase of uranium from Niger by Iraq/Saddam…
…NO WMD…
…and pig fu*king TRAITORS like YOU should be rounded up, rooted out and BOOTED OUT…
…of America…
…you’re useless, clueless, feckless, and have sh*t-for-brains…
April 10th, 2006 at 1:02 pmCould smirky be lapping this up as scooter takes a real tumble for the cons?
Comment by Mary #48
Mary,
Scooter Libby doesn’t plan to spend a day in jail…
Strategy 1: The judge will throw out the case bec the White House and criminal Bushite junta refuse to release documents Libby’s legal team have requested (PDBs) …
…a strategy perfected by Ollie North’s legal team (which just happens to be Libby’s now) called “gray mail”…
…Strategy 2: if convicted, the TRAITOR Bushiva will issue a “Presidential pardon” for Libby after this whole scenarion fades from public scrutiny, (after elections)…
April 10th, 2006 at 1:07 pmscooter or bushyboy or dicky will spend any time in jail or be persacuted for anything. that is why the supreme court was stacked the way it was. fricken peckerwoods anyhow,
April 10th, 2006 at 1:22 pmwill not spend any time, ooops.
April 10th, 2006 at 1:26 pmPeople who want to make this about Joe Wilson have their official Faux News blinders on (you can tell when they repeat catch phrases like “criminilization of politics”–that’s what you call a shibboleth).
It’s perhaps true (but not all law scholars agree) that the president can declassify information and then release it however he wants. But this president took classified information and distorted it to say just about the opposite of what it was saying. They took something labeled “highly dubious” and called it a “key finding”. It’s like taking a poll and finding 20% of Americans think the world is flat, then saying “We’ve discovered that Americans believe the world is flat!”
Then the administration surreptitiously distributed it to a handful of reporters rather than make a press release. All of this to discredit a person who dared disagree with the party line. To summarize, Joe Wilson criticized a position from a unique position of experience, and the administration lied to discredit him. These facts aren’t disputed by the Faux News watchers. They just want to talk about the semantics of Joe Wilson’s statements, which if you read them with bias sound like he claimed that the Vice President called him up and say, “Hey Joe, whyncha go to Niger and see what’s going on?”
Oh, yeah. Then they outed one of their own spies who happened to be married to this particular critic. Then they hired a special prosecutor and swore up and down that they had no idea how this happened and they wanted to get to the bottom of this. Then when the prosecutor started to get wise, they spread lies about his motives.
I was just reading Pinocchio to my daughter the other day, and the phrase “When you make a lie, it grows. It grows until it’s as plain as the nose on your face,” has never been truer to me.
April 10th, 2006 at 1:35 pm#2 NeD, you are sick all right.
April 10th, 2006 at 3:57 pm#2
you are so dead wrong, and that is what you get when listening to the reichwing propaganda channel faux news. please,wise up
April 10th, 2006 at 4:11 pmtTHE LEAKS ARENT REALLY LEAKS, THEY ARE DRIPS, LIKE THE KIND THAT GOES WITH GONNOREAH, THIS MESS NEEDS SOME STRONG MEDICIENE TO TAKE CARE OF IT, BUSH SHOULD HAVE BEEN NIPPED IN THE BUD, IN FLORIDAS FIRST ELECTION
April 10th, 2006 at 6:54 pmYes, there are some real dipshits posting here but, that isn’t the real problem.
We all know Bush is the puppet to Cheney’s crime syndicate (Project for the New American Century). What we all should all be concerned about is the probable upcoming “terrorist” attack to justify invading Iran because they fund Hezbollah whom the administration will blame.
It would be a good thing if we marched on Washington, D.C. demanding Bush and Cheney resign from office immediately the same way they congregated for immigration reform recently.
These people within and directly involved with this administration do not care about you or me. They do not care about our constitutional rights. They do not care about our freedom. They do not care about our future. Bush sees this as the end times and wants to have a (nuclear) blast before he floats up to heaven during the rapture. He is simply insane.
And to Unemployment Rate 4.7% (those numbers were probably crunced in a Diebold machine), that’s not dogshit on your shoes. It’s just your own shit emanating from your rectal database.
April 11th, 2006 at 12:54 am“Well, I didn’t say Bush wasn’t “allowed to do it.†I mearly pointing out that he did do it.” Judd, #3
*****Thank you Judd, for your clarification. I agree with you - progs and other “leftists” should be able to say WHATEVER THEY LIKE, WHENEVER THEY LIKE, HOW EVER THEY LIKE….and the damn President better just sit there….
April 11th, 2006 at 10:41 am“*****Thank you Judd, for your clarification. I agree with you - progs and other “leftists†should be able to say WHATEVER THEY LIKE, WHENEVER THEY LIKE, HOW EVER THEY LIKE….and the damn President better just sit there….
Comment by mighty aphrodite ”
Democracy is a b!tch - much like yourself. No wonder you Nazis don’t want a democracy. Remember, Diebold is a friend of the Nazi , ehr, Republican party.
And as for ‘free speech’, I notice there’s very little of it on the reichwing sites - based on your comment, that’s to be ‘expected’ isn’t it Nazi Boy.
April 11th, 2006 at 2:33 pm