Land war planning in Iran.
By on Apr 11th, 2006 at 6:36 pm
Land war planning in Iran.
Washington Post defense analyst Bill Arkin: “The public needs to know that the train has left the station on bigger war planning, that a ground war — despite the Post claim yesterday that a land invasion ‘is not contemplated’ — is also being prepared. It is a real war plan; I’ve heard CONPLAN 1025.”
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WE MUST NOT ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN… whatever it takes.
April 11th, 2006 at 6:45 pmI don’t agree with the land war in Iran, but I do think it is good to have a contigency plan.
April 11th, 2006 at 6:46 pm#2 – Krazny, I get the feeling that this plan is not a “contingency plan.”
#1 – I agree. We should be marching in the streets.
April 11th, 2006 at 6:54 pmThere’s pretty much planning for all types of contingency’s all around the world, as well there should be. I’m not sure this is anything out of the ordinary…..but our political world is highly partisan right now.
richb
April 11th, 2006 at 6:54 pmIf what Seymour Hersh said this past Sunday is accurate (and I believe him even if Hugh Hewitt doesn’t), then we have sent regular army troops (not special forces) into Iran already. If Congress had declared war on Iran, I think even our pathetic MSM would have picked up on it and we would have heard about it. I didn’t.
So, if Mr. Hersh is right about the troops in Iran, then our President has committed an Act of War, and without the consent of the Congress or of the people. This would make for yet another impeachable offense that the Republicans in the House (like my Congresswoman, Sue Kelly) will ignore. Shame on them for not living up to their oaths to defend the Constitution against all enemies, even the ones in the White House.
April 11th, 2006 at 6:54 pmNot really Wayne, the president is allowed to use troops for 30 days?? not sure on the over all time, before having to go to congress to ask for money, or authorize war.
My hope is; the plans are simply in place in case this has to be dealt with in a military manner. I am worried as zookeeper brought up, that this is going to be the plan. Not a contigency plan but the plan. It is obvious that Bush was planning on Iraq, and didn’t care about any other options. If a decision has been made by the president, and his cabinet to go to war with Iran, and this is all smoke and mirrors, then we are in big trouble.
April 11th, 2006 at 7:03 pmI’d like to believe Mr. Hersh more than I do, there are any number of postings about Mr. Hersh’s previous statements. As an example his detractors site previous statements
http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/11280
this from over a year ago where he claimed pretty much the same thing about advance troops being in Iran.
I dunno….I wish we had someone else as the face of the dialogue.
April 11th, 2006 at 7:05 pmThis is not a contingency plan. This is a battle plan.
A contingency plan is used “just in case” This plan will be used.
April 11th, 2006 at 7:07 pmi think its a great idea… this time we put 500,000 troops in…. start a draft, and go full speed ahead. now were getting serious. this time it CANT go wrong. make it 1 million men on the ground. that will show Iran whos boss. and i dont want to hear any worrying about WW 3 …… Were the GOOD guys !!
April 11th, 2006 at 7:11 pmI’m glad that I’m an American, I’m glad that I am free, but I wish I were a little doggie, and W. were a tree.
April 11th, 2006 at 7:15 pmThis is sarcasm right?
Because 500,000 is NOT enough troops. Just ask Dick Cheney. WHen he was Secretary of Defense under George H. W. Bush he said that the reason we did not go into Bahgdad during Operation Desert Storm was because th 660,000 Coalition troops, 540,000 which were American, were not enough to occupy Bahgdad, let alone Iraq. Now, we are tring to do it with 165,000. That is why Iraq is a failure.
April 11th, 2006 at 7:21 pmrichb, perhaps you should pick more reliable resources:
To call benador associates an ‘unreliable resource’ is a MAJOR understatement. Sorry, but Mizzzz Benador is part of the Reichwing Nazi Spin machine that is NeoConservatism. She’s as jingoistic and propagandist as they come.
Open your eyes.
April 11th, 2006 at 7:30 pm#9: Comment by anvilhead – - Indeed.
April 11th, 2006 at 7:40 pm>If what Seymour Hersh said this past Sunday is accurate (and I believe him even if Hugh Hewitt doesn’t), then we have sent regular army troops (not special forces) into Iran already
I believe the phrase Hersh used was “combat troops”, a broad enough category to include special operations forces. If we’ve had troops on the ground in Iran, they almost certainly weren’t regular army.
April 11th, 2006 at 8:09 pmThe Bush people did everything to sabatoge diplomacy efforts in the Middle East and waited just long enough for the Iranians choose their own hard line nutcase to provoke outrage over its nuclear program. Way too many strange things have occured with Iran. First the Iran-Contra mess. Free hostages for weapons, missiles to be exact. John Poindexter indicted and years later under another Republican President (Bush) gets the nod to head some type of data mining agency. The Iranian president who former hostages swears resembles one of the captors in Tehran. the U.S. aid Iraq in war against Iran to keep theocrats out-only to see them ruling the roost in Iraq. Strange. Other ironies exists, I’m sure, I’m just too tired to figure all this stuff out.
April 11th, 2006 at 8:15 pmSeems the WH admin is scaring its allies as well in the mid east.
RIYADH – Saudi Arabia, fearing that US military action against Iran would wreak further havoc in the region, has asked Russia to block any bid by Washington to secure UN cover for an attack, a Russian diplomat said on Tuesday.
But the world will probably be treated with another “bring it on” statement.
April 11th, 2006 at 8:15 pmSo, if Mr. Hersh is right about the troops in Iran, then our President has committed an Act of War, and without the consent of the Congress or of the people.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — April 11, 2006 @ 6:54 pm
Wayne – Respectfully you don’t get it do you?
King George can do what ever the fuck he wants. He has said so and congress has agreed with him when they allowed him to get away with signing statements on the Torture Bill and The Patriot Act, and when they let him spy on Americans without warrants.
U.S. Constitution 1778 – 2001… R.I.P.
April 11th, 2006 at 8:26 pmSEC. 2. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.
(a) IN GENERAL- That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.
The wording is so broad with the AUMF your president just needs to determine who is friend or foe. No need for debate.
April 11th, 2006 at 8:33 pmI’d like to believe that any war plans would actually be kept quite secret, and all of this is nonsense. Of course, this would be what one would expect of a competent administration. ‘nuf said?
April 11th, 2006 at 8:36 pmSince Suadi Arabia is now siding with Iran, does that mean they are the enemy?
Do we have to go to war with them also?
April 11th, 2006 at 8:39 pmAnother invasion, war, and occupation?
That is a frightening prospect. Of course, I wouldn’t put anything past this administration; there is a reason why Ray McGovern, former Bush Sr.’s CIA Briefer, called them the “crazies”.
From the Project for the New American Century’s web site:
Over the long term, Iran may well prove as large a threat to U.S. interests in the Gulf as Iraq has. And even should U.S.-Iranian relations improve, retaining forward-based forces in the region would still be an essential element in U.S. security strategy given the longstanding American interests in the region.
REBUILDING AMERICA’S DEFENSES
Also:
We cannot allow North Korea, Iran, Iraq or similar states to undermine American leadership, intimidate American allies or threaten the American homeland itself. The blessings of the American peace, purchased at fearful cost and a century of effort, should not be so trivially squandered.
REBUILDING AMERICA’S DEFENSES
“American Peace” -sounds a lot like the Pax Romana, that was also attained after much bloodshed.
Ave imperator, morituri te salutant!
April 11th, 2006 at 8:41 pmFolks,
I’m not sure about BushCo having to have congressional approval in dealing with Iran militarily. (This is a question more than anything else.) He may already have it. If Iran can be tied into the war on “terra” does he have carte blanche in attacking them? I’m not sure. Ryan?
April 11th, 2006 at 8:42 pmSpudgeboy.. i hope they do not carry out any more regime change, WMD wars or humatarian work or whatever is flavour of the month…
It of course all dependent on the luntic fringe currently installed at the White House, because of the wording in the AUMF their is no limit to what they can do.
I have got no idea as to how the AUMF could/can be changed.
April 11th, 2006 at 8:48 pm#22+
Sorry…I didn’t read #18 before posting.
April 11th, 2006 at 8:49 pmWith a land invasion plan in place, perhaps this is why Iran announced today that they have enriched uranium. One of my friend’s son has just returned from Iraq and he is waiting for his next deployment. She doesn’t think that he is going back to Iraq – she thinks he may be going somewhere else. He is a Marine Reserve. I hope that he is not headed for Iran.
April 11th, 2006 at 8:52 pm“If Iran can be tied into the war on “terra†does he have carte blanche in attacking them? I’m not sure. Ryan? Comment by WiscoDuk ”
You’re right. The Reichwingers say that the Authorization of Force on the war on terror permits them to do ANYTHING – George is now King in their eyes. That’s why they’ve been calling Iran a terrorist state, and making claims that they’re supplying terrorists in Iraq with arms. It won’t matter whether or not there’s proof of state sponsored terrorism, this administration will Plamegate anyone who stands in their way and just go to war. And congress will rubberstamp king george, as they always do…
April 11th, 2006 at 9:26 pmPreznit Numbnuts has shredded the Constitution. Congress let him get away with it.
Preznit Numbnuts has lied repeatedly. Congress let him get away with it.
Preznit Numbnuts has spied on the citizens of the USA. Congress let him get away with it.
All hail Emperor Numbnuts!
U.S. Constitution 1778 – 2001… R.I.P.
April 11th, 2006 at 9:49 pmYet when asked to support this claim- Rummy tripped all over himself. I believe the exact question he fielded had to do with components for making IED’s. (Which he stated that Iran was supplying components for.)
The question that came to my mind at the time was- why would Iran do anything to support the Sunni’s? (Who’s primary weapon seems to be IED’s.)
Well…the answer just became obvious.
Thanks Ryan (and koalablue)
April 11th, 2006 at 9:53 pmis there going to be a draft? let me guess, that’s what the guest worker program is all about?
hmm.
April 11th, 2006 at 9:58 pmIt’s not CONPLAN 1025, it’s OPLAN 1002-04 AKA The Khuzestan Gambit.
April 11th, 2006 at 10:05 pmhttp://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/oplan-1002.htm
banana,
That thought has crossed my mind more than once.
Great way to make the illegals citizens- join the military and you and your family are “inâ€. This way they might not have to resort to a draft. The last thing “they†want to do is impose conscription. They know that would create an uproar they couldn’t deal with.
BTW- My grandfather became an American citizen by joining the American army during WW1. (While in Europe {Belgium}- he spoke both german and english fluently- useful enough to make him an American soldier/citizen)
April 11th, 2006 at 10:22 pmwhat i don’t understand is why we are not seeing more retaliation scenarios explicitly discussed in the press? if we want to talk about airstrikes, why don’t we talk about what we expect iran will do to retaliate? americans ought to know that attacking iran does not mean flowers in gunbarrels and a victory parade down streets of tehran.
April 11th, 2006 at 10:24 pmThe crazed Bush will do whatever he wants; and the Repub toadies will defend him. That is to say, WHEN Bush informs them. Bush has repeatedly showsn he takes no advice from anyone who might contradict him; so he shoots first and asks for validation later.
April 11th, 2006 at 10:24 pmAfter he starts or precipitates a war in Iran, the congress will be informed. At that point, what will be done? They will say, Mr. President, you shouldn’t have done that without our permission, but now that you’ve done it, we will stand behind you because we are patriots. Some will wring their hands and say “I object” but their patriotism will be called into question. There will be a draft and anyone who tries to get out of it will be sent to one of those deserted army camps around the nation, where they will be joined by citizens who protest the war.
Military Troops have been in Iran for a long time now. Trucks have been deliverying supplies. Tennesseans who have been and are station near the Border have come back talking about it. One solider who is now in Iran texts to a friend in NY who is sending down word that things are happening but no one can talk but everyone see and no one over there likes it and would like it to stop.
Its not about Nukes Its about control of OiL and Natural Gas and Other resources bush is taking over the world with the help of the neo cons in Washington.
The world thought Hussien was evil but not as evil as we’re seeing now. The draft will have to be brought back for ground troops , A war on 3 fronts bush and cheney are very dangerous men.
April 11th, 2006 at 10:29 pm#34
Are they actually fighting Iranian troops or are they doing covert ops?
April 11th, 2006 at 10:34 pmWiscoDuk, the difference between your grandfather and what we have today, is that those were wars fought for the PEOPLE. This is a war fought for the shareholders of OIL companies.
Now that I look at it like this, I get real sad when I see the pictures of the mexicans waving American flags. They’re going to be used as cannon fodder for the oil companies and for Dick Cheney, doing a job that Americans don’t want to do.
It’s really really sad.
April 11th, 2006 at 10:38 pm#34
Thot’s,
If you don’t mind me asking, what part of TN are you in? I’m in the Tri-Cities area.
April 11th, 2006 at 10:39 pmI used to think that the primary responsibility of the President of the United States is to defend and protect the rights of American citizens. Big mistake! The primary responsibility of the President is to defend and protect the interests of the AIPAC/Likud lobby.
April 11th, 2006 at 10:43 pmNo doubt- I interjected that comment about my grandfather to show that it has been done before. I fully understand what this BS war(s) is being fought over. It’s not only oil- it’s also about domination…which I’m sure you’re also aware of.
April 11th, 2006 at 10:49 pmwisco
i wasn’t trying to insult you. I just wanted to spell it out as the reason why i think it’s sad that the mexicans are going to be thrown to the wolves
it’s upsetting. american corporations starved indigenous people out of their ancestral homelands in central america, and now they come here for a better life (Karma) and now what? they’ll be toting guns for Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld
April 11th, 2006 at 10:59 pmI just took a poll regarding a possible Iranian invasion. Those FOR an invasion: Dems.– 09% Repuglys — 29% Indys. — 19%
April 11th, 2006 at 11:46 pmYou figure a little saber-rattling, some strong words in some Bush speechs, Bush will LIE again & make up some story about this being an imminent danger. There will suddenly be enough support for it FEAR WORKS !! End result : The U.S. invades Iran. The waroholic imposter in the White House has already invaded 2 countries. What the heck, make it 3.
Ring the alarm…
This is getting serious, folks……
April 11th, 2006 at 11:48 pmDo we have enough troops to invade Iran?
General Peter Pace, today: “To put it in gross terms for you, we have just over 200,000 U.S. servicemembers in the Gulf region right now. We have 2.4 million U.S. servicemembers available to the country — active, Guard and Reserve. So you’ve got about 2 million U.S. servicemembers who are not currently involved directly in the Gulf region. We have sufficient personnel, weapons, equipment, you name it, to handle any adversary that might come along.”
http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2006/tr20060411-12800.html
April 12th, 2006 at 12:26 amHey George you d man,
April 12th, 2006 at 1:02 amCan’t do it? yes he can.
On this runaway train,
What can we gain.
Such fun, let’s nuke Iran.
We are not going to invade the whole country, only the part of Iran with the oil that happens to be situated on the border with Iraq. It’s called OPLAN 1002-04. Iraq was about oil and so is Iran. Nukes are the excuse to control the oil because it is running out. Control the oil, you have major influence on the worlds economy.
April 12th, 2006 at 1:11 amWe won’t be fuc*ed again.
April 12th, 2006 at 1:48 amRed state’ers need to understand that if there is a draft,you have to go.
April 12th, 2006 at 2:18 amThose who voted for the Chimp in 2004, should be drafted if the most stupidest President, I mean Dictator in the Universe pulls off another war.
April 12th, 2006 at 3:36 amI,m not going to be wearing my cute bow ties anymore.I’m free baby!
April 12th, 2006 at 3:52 amTheir last words will be:
All that oil is there and it is OURS.
April 12th, 2006 at 5:52 am#45 What a great plan. Thus, Iran can concentrate his milions people army, missile and chemical attacks in a tiny slice of terrain, or simply pour in Afghanistan and Iran to cause (more) havoc. Those warplanners are really keen.
April 12th, 2006 at 6:40 amRichB is a hoot!
Here’s the definitive word on benador, Ryan…
What others say
So there are these peculiar archipelagoes of opaqueness in the world of news, where journalists are at the mercy of single sources that appear solid. It is very dangerous for the US cable news channels to depend so heavily for analysis of things like Iraq and the war on terror, on retired military officers and on well-connected cyphers like Walid Phares. (Hint to cable news personnel departments: if an academic has a spotty publication record and is at some small place or doesn’t have a proper university post, but you get a call pushing him from some rightwing think tank in Washington or from the Benador Agency, be suspicious).
Juan Cole, Psy-Ops and News (http://www.juancole.com/2004/12/psy-ops-and-news-los-angeles-timess.html), Informed Comment, Dec. 3, 2004.
Don #47 is actually listening to and believing Peter Pace? Is that a good idea?
Besides, real men go to Khuzestan
Digby points us to Grand Moff Texan
April 12th, 2006 at 7:04 amRational folks say this will never work. Trouble is, we are not dealing with rational actors here… and I don’t mean the mullahs in Iran, either.
April 12th, 2006 at 7:10 amThe NeoCons want to bring about regime change in Iran…but the President of Iran recieved a much larger share of the vote than Bush recieved in 2000 or 2004. What’s the rationale for regime change? Don’t the Iranians have the right to select their own leaders? Why should George Bush decide who should be the President of Iran or any other country? I believe we should stop obsessing about Iran and focus instead on addressing some of the serious problems in our own country. Building levees in New Orleans to cope with Category 5 hurricanes should be a higher priority than nuking a country half way around the world.
April 12th, 2006 at 7:53 amI have heard that BushCo has put troops into Iran, but they are not Special Forces, because if they were, BushCo would be required to inform Congress. So by using regular army, they get around that requirement. And non-specialists are being put at risk so that BushCo can push their plans forward, without oversight, yet.
April 12th, 2006 at 7:57 amThe thing about this war on terror…..it starts in one country, then moves to the adjacent country…because the enemy/terrorists will always be in the next country over. So here’s the Republican gameplan…every 2 years, around August, we invade a new country!
In 70 years, after we run out of countries, then Republicans have to start running on their record. Or maybe they start thinking about the terrorists on Alpha Centuri…..
April 12th, 2006 at 7:59 amLast news: the new elected italian PM, Prodi, pledges to withdraw the italian troops from iraq as soon as possible. One less for the Coalition of the Willing, or one more for the Coalition of the Enlightened. Bye, bye, Bush.
April 12th, 2006 at 8:10 am“#
I have heard that BushCo has put troops into Iran, but they are not Special Forces, because if they were, BushCo would be required to inform Congress. So by using regular army, they get around that requirement. And non-specialists are being put at risk so that BushCo can push their plans forward, without oversight, yet.
Comment by Cyra Brown — April 12, 2006 @ 7:57 am”
I think there’s a much better way to avvoid that…use Blackwater! Privitize destabilization. True, it won’t really stop 2MM Iranians who have shown their willingness to die to repel the infidels, but it won’t be that kind of war. It will be all air attack.
Channeling George here: “See, we got this hi-tech military.” Course, they have some of that too. Plus, it’s their neighborhood. Plus, they can wait our attacks out…..wonder if George has thought through what our troops in Iraq will be doing to survive?
Seems pretty simple…the Republicans and Democrats in Congress have a choice. Side with us or be complicit in rubber stamping the war crimes of this criminal administration. This is one vote that counts, like their lives depend on it.
April 12th, 2006 at 8:12 am# 37 Middle TN and I didn’t mind you asking and these are Regular Troops in Iran close to the Border. The Persian Gulf is very important piece of property with Natural Gas and Oil . Nuclear Power/NukeI and Israel is just Red Herrings as the plan is to take over all Natural Resources in that Region.
If this is allowed to go on we will see more than WW3.Russia,China ,North Korea and other Countries will be brought into play. If the Saudi’s have asked Russia to help block the bush cabal which I don’t buy as the Saudi’s stand to profit if Iran is Nuked but then again hopefully the Arab blood lines will be stronger than the greed for seeing Iran Hit.
bush and co’s greedy ego have put a grave danger on this world and has created America as a Rogue Country.
Pace is a rummy stooge ,There is a string leading from rummy’s hand to Pace’s mouth.
A military Amerika and aren’t we proud to be the Old Russia . I bet ms rice is proud since she has a PHD in Russian History.
April 12th, 2006 at 8:15 amSignificantly, the new US budget calls for additional funds to special operations and psy-ops (psychological operations) in Iran, in addition to the US$75 million the administration of President George W Bush wants to spend to advance “regime changeâ€. #53 dick cheney oldest daughter is in charge of that dept planning.
April 12th, 2006 at 8:18 am#53 dick cheney oldest daughter is in charge of that dept planning.
Something this important, you can’t trust ANY outsider. This is family business.
April 12th, 2006 at 8:38 am#61 Yes. The same reason for what Caligula put his horse as first counselor. Or maybe because he beheaded the former ones.
April 12th, 2006 at 8:52 amI’m sorry Cyra. Bushco answers to no one. In point of fact, none of them do. My son was in the (branch and unit deleted to protect the innocent) during the Clinton admin. Elite troops, if not SF, and he never told me this or he would have had to kill me, and you, just for me repeating what he never told me. One one occasion his unit was “vertically inserted” into someplace at night, (night drop) even he did not know where, and a vicious and heated firefight ensued that lasted for some time. Someone smuggled a vid cam in and I saw the video (think Abu Ghraib, which came as no surprise to me. Ain’t digital tech great?) This kind of thing goes on all the time and you and I never hear about. Just like we never did and I made this all up.
April 12th, 2006 at 9:22 amAh yes, this is another hump day, like all the rest since 2000 when the war lords took office…..It is plane to me and has been for several years the continious Bush wars are in the begining stages. The Bushies will march all over the world and here to accomplish their end dream. Total control…..TOTAL CONTROL. Done one tiny step at a time so the sleepy apathetic don’t notice untill it is to late to change back. FREEDOM IS NOT FREE. OUR FREEDOM HAS BEEN SOLD TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER. The highest bidder’s are war building and war profiteers. This has been the plan long before this Bush was installed…These sick basterds, all of them and their inabelers that have been fooled and voted with them need to be out of office. Not much time left folk’s..Do what ever we have to do to clean the whore house, house, senate and judicery……Blessings
April 12th, 2006 at 10:01 amPat Buchanan of all people seems to have his thumb on what Bush is up to in regards to Iran.
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