While most lawmakers and lobbyists are disavowing the K Street Group, right-wing activist Grover Norquist is seeking a trademark on it, saying the group has been given a bad rap. “We will jealously guard the real phrasing the way Kleenex and Coca-Cola do. We will sue anyone who says it wrong and make lots of money.”
33: Number of American troops who have died in Iraq so far this month, exceeding the 31 killed in all of March.
A year after John Negroponte became the first director of national intelligence, key lawmakers worry that the spy agency is not fulfilling its vital mission. The office is “not adding any value†by enlarging the bureaucracy, said House Intelligence Committee Chairman Pete Hoekstra (R-MI). “They’re lengthening the time to make things happen.†(Maybe that has something to do with the 3 hours a day Negroponte spends at a health club?)
Unnamed “insiders†believe new White House Chief of Staff Josh Bolten is “leaning toward selecting an outsider†as the new head of the Office of Management and Budget. One person “even suggested that retiring Rep. Tom DeLay was being considered.â€
Iran announced yesterday it had enriched uranium to 3.5 percent purity. For weapons-grade material, “they need to kick it up to about 80 percent and do so on an industrial-scale, all of which will likely take years.” Analysts suggested the announcement had more to do with political theater than technological advancement.
President Bush’s health-care initiatives, which he showcased as his top domestic priorities in his most recent State of the Union address, “are stalled in Congress, with little chance for passage.†Bush’s congressional allies say there is little hope any legislation will be passed this year.
The current national surveillance system for work-related injuries and illnesses may miss two-thirds of the total number of occupational injuries and illnesses, according to a new study by Michigan State University.
57: The percentage of Americans who believe the estate tax should be reformed or left as is, according to a new poll. Only 23 percent of those polled backed full repeal.
In May 2003, President Bush pointed to “mobile bio labs” found in Iraq and declared, “We have found the weapons of mass destruction.” But two days prior, a secret U.S.-U.K. mission had reported that the labs weren’t banned weapons, but rather “the biggest sand toilets in the world.”
Devastated by Hurricane Katrina, St. Bernard Parish is turning to the man who provided them no help during the hurricane: former FEMA director Michael Brown. “I’ll talk to the devil himself if I thought he could help us,” said parish president Henry “Junior” Rodriguez, who may hire Brown as a consultant.
And finally: “Italy’s most famous porn star” Cicciolina has “offered herself” to Osama Bin Laden. “I am ready to make a deal, he can have me in exchange for an end to his tyranny,” she said at an “erotic fair.” “My breasts have only ever helped people while Bin Laden has killed thousands of innocent victims.”
If Osama says no to Cicciolina, I’ll take his place this one time.
April 12th, 2006 at 9:21 amThe weapons issue gives Congress a pretty strong case for censure in my opinion.
April 12th, 2006 at 9:24 amWe don’t need Tom Delay as NEW HEAD OF THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET.
This man is the biggest crook of all.
Maybe the Republicans had this plan before he decided to leave Congress. I can’t believe they would every consider this man.
April 12th, 2006 at 9:27 amOK, I got dibs on “Republican Syndicate”……I’m gonna have my lawyers file frivalous lawsuits if anyone uses this phrase in any publication, with written permission from me.
April 12th, 2006 at 9:36 amLOL, I always said, the conservatives hate trial lawyers until they need one.
And Grover’s utter hypocrisy, the irony, the utter frivolousness, oh baby. . . mm-mm-mm, deeee-lish!
April 12th, 2006 at 9:40 am#3 Actually, the weapons will make a great case to attack Iran. Probably in October.
Iran has to be stopped. We cannot let them develop uranium. Remember what we did when we thought Sadam was doing that.
The poor, radical left. YOU DON’T MATTER. We will win the WOT without you.
April 12th, 2006 at 9:43 am#6, UR a tool:
Don’t you ever get sick of the drivel you write?
April 12th, 2006 at 9:50 am#7 - Do you ever get sick of hating democracy?
April 12th, 2006 at 9:56 amIQ 4.7 - Yes, I agree with you that Tom Delay is corrupt and that warrantless domestic wiretapping is against the law. I also believe that you are correct when you tell us that this is the most incompetent administration ever.
April 12th, 2006 at 9:56 am#6 If you believe we should attack Iran maybe you should enlist in the military.
The war in Iraq was an unjust war. We went there for OIL and to make Old Bushie buddies richer.
9-11 was an inside job. This government plan this so he would have an excuse to go to war in Iraq.
April 12th, 2006 at 10:00 amGeorge Bush,Grover,Negroponte,DeLay,Cheney,Bolton…..All are my type of people.Good people.
April 12th, 2006 at 10:01 amDespite repeated assurances to the contrary, the recent redeployment of U.S. troops to secure the dangerous streets of Baghdad raises some serious questions about the progress in Iraq. We are regularly told that the Iraqi military and security forces are increasing in numbers and preparedness to deal with the general security of the country as well as the growing sectarian violence. The Associated Press report today raises doubts as to the actual progress being made.
Baghdad, Iraq - American soldiers have again hit the streets of dangerous neighborhoods in western Baghdad that had been handed over to Iraqi forces, trying to keep a lid on sectarian attacks that have raged since the February bombing of a Shiite shrine in Samarra.
The U.S. military has refocused its mission to confront death squads that have tortured and killed hundreds, a tacit acknowledgment that Iraqi troops have not been able to control violence between Shiites and Sunnis on their own.
Fewer attacks are now directed against Americans, soldiers say. At the same time, the number of Iraqis found slain, apparently in tit-for-tat killings by Shiite and Sunni extremists, has sharply increased in western neighborhoods.
Unfortunately, I interpret this to mean two things…one, Iraq is increasingly closer to full-fledged civil war…and two, Iraqi military and security forces are not standing up to the growing conflict so that American troop presence in the country can soon be reduced. It’s hard to accept the “good news†when the majority of the news seems to paint a much gloomier picture. Polls seem to demonstrate that the American public sees the same thing.
read more here:
http://www.thoughttheater.com
April 12th, 2006 at 10:03 amAnd by the way,I’m not going to be wearing my bowtie anymore.I’m liberated,baby,just like Iraq.
April 12th, 2006 at 10:07 amI just posted an article on my site about the choices facing the United States vis a vis Iran. It surveys our weak position in this crisis. It also suggested a way back from crisis by examining how Kennedy dealt with the Cuban Missle Crisis. Please read and offer comment.
April 12th, 2006 at 10:09 amOnce again, incompetence and corruption rule the day in Katrina relief:
http://www.nola.com/ news/ t-p/ frontpage/ index.ssf?/ base/ news-5/ 114482414730910.xml
Instead of awarding public contracts to local firms that can actually employ locals who can then fund their own rebuilding efforts, awards go to large firms in other states.
April 12th, 2006 at 10:15 amThink I’ll start a blogsite called “K-Street Group”. I’ll retire at an undisclosed location in the Carribean, kick the shit outa stray dogs, scare little kids, yell at old people…an’ just let the money roll in.
Oh yeah…un’ start a television ministry–just in case they get wise to me.
April 12th, 2006 at 10:17 amNorquist said he founded the K Street Project in 1989 to bring ideological balance to lobbying firms.
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AM I supposed top believe that Lobbysists really care about “Ideological Balance” What kind of Double Speak is this?
Lobbysists, as Grover Just Said, WE are about the ‘Money’.
Thats a Singular Idea. Peddle Influence. Corporations Don’t much care about whos Democrat or Republican, they only want to screw the People for as much as they can, Grover is Un-American because he helps to create “IMBALANCE”, not Balance in any way shape or form. Why do People listen to such Cockamamie Polticians and Lobbyists?
April 12th, 2006 at 10:19 amGrover the Terrorist Appeaser
April 12th, 2006 at 10:20 amQuadrajet, good one–keep it up!
Chuker Tarlson, I actually DID see you on something recently without your bowtie–in fact, you had your shirt unbuttoned (well, just one button unbuttoned.) You sure are liberated!
April 12th, 2006 at 10:21 am#15 What do you expect? When in the history of governments has there not been waste/graft/etc?
April 12th, 2006 at 10:23 amOK #6 - I will engage you.
Iran has nuclear reactors (that we sold them back in the days of the Shah). They have uranium ore in their own country. They have the technology to refine and the brainpower. So long as they are refining, strictly for reactor fuel purposes, why should we stop them? What right does anyone have to tell another country what they can and can’t do within their borders.
I don’t want them to have the bomb. But they will, no matter what we do.
My point is that it seems that what you think is OK for the US to do isn’t OK for other soverign governments to do. How do you reconcile that? You would NEVER allow other governments to the us what to do but you seem to think it’s OK for us to do so. Do you understand the definition of the word hypocracy? I’d say, you don’t or you are a proud hypocrite. I’ll just add that to the long list of idiotic character flaws that you possess.
chao.
April 12th, 2006 at 10:26 am#7 - Do you ever get sick of hating democracy?
Like the REPUBLICAN operatives that deliberately kept elderly and disabled voters from calling for rides in the 2002 NH election?
While Bush promotes democracy abroad he is dismantling democracy at home.
Why do REPUBLICANS want to prevent people from voting by hiring brownshirts to keep the elderly and the infirm from voting?
-GSD
April 12th, 2006 at 10:27 amThe Kstreet Proj. sucks balls!!!
Sue me, sue me!
April 12th, 2006 at 10:27 amKindness, you are exactly right. One main problem is this administration and their total mind control attempt on the american people. They have made us a society of lazy evil viewers, thinking our government is doing the right thing by overthrowing and assisting other dictators. What the vast public do not understand is we are the war creators. Look how many people think it is our oil under these foreign countries and how dare they think they can sell it to the highest bidder instead of a Bushie corporation. We are being controled by a bunch of evil, insane, waramongers that intend to do what ever they want to any one in the world. Besides their waring, soon it will be their relegion or we are locked up. Freedom of speach is rapidly becoming an extreme risk…..Blessings
April 12th, 2006 at 10:38 amWhile most lawmakers and lobbyists are disavowing the K Street Group, right-wing activist Grover Norquist is seeking a trademark on it, saying the group has been given a bad rap. “We will jealously guard the real phrasing the way Kleenex and Coca-Cola do. We will sue anyone who says it wrong and make lots of money.â€
… Well, gosh … I thought Grover supported tort reform…?
April 12th, 2006 at 10:39 amuncle t. - “Corporations Don’t much care about whos Democrat or Republican, they only want to screw the People for as much as they can…”
April 12th, 2006 at 10:39 amseems to me that would be the reason to hire a repug…i think it’s inherent to the species…”screwing the people” that is…just sayin’…
#20. I expect people to get enough of it and demand better.
April 12th, 2006 at 10:43 amIf the war in Iraq teaches us anything about how the war in Iran will work, it’s that the Republicans in power have:
No plan for winning the war
No plan for picking up the pieces after the war
No exit strategy
Basically, the Republicans that are yammering for more war just don’t care about the security of our troops in the field, and are only looking for a political hot-potato to distract from the rampant corruption and continuing splintering of the GOP.
If they actually gave more then a single crap about the security of our/other nations concerning Iran and nuclear weapons, then they’d be at the UN talking about a TRUE coalition of nations to find a peaceful solution to Iran trying to build nuclear weapons.
Since the Republicans only seem care about trying to maintain power at the expense of out troops lives and the continuing restriction of the freedoms of our Constitution, they will lose and lose badly this coming mid-term election.
April 12th, 2006 at 10:44 amI think we should trademark “The Korrupt Street Project.”
April 12th, 2006 at 10:45 am#21 Kindness
“My point is that it seems that what you think is OK for the US to do isn’t OK for other soverign governments to do. How do you reconcile that?”
I reconcile it by saying I live in the US, I want the US to stay as the world super power. I put us above anyone/everyone else, just like I put my family above my friends who are above people I don’t know.
April 12th, 2006 at 10:46 amI’m sure that we will soon hear about how 3.5 percent purity of “enriched uranium” means that Iran will suddenly have missiles that could reach the US, how they’ve got unmanned drones that can carry dirty-nuclear bombs, how they’ve got mobile chemical weapons labs, and how they’ve been kicking puppies and slapping women.
Lies are all we’ve gotten from Pres. Bush and his cabal, and more lies are all we’ll get from him. It’s the only consistent Republican trait that they seem to value.
April 12th, 2006 at 10:48 amIQ 4.7 - Yes, I agree with you that Tom Delay is corrupt and that warrantless domestic wiretapping is against the law. I also believe that you are correct when you tell us that this is the most incompetent administration ever.
Comment by Quadrajet — April 12, 2006 @ 9:56 am
Awesome!
I had no idea about the corruption of Tom Delay, the illegality of domestic wiretapping, and the incompetence of the administration.
This stuff sounds important… thanks for the 411.
April 12th, 2006 at 10:49 amI think we should trademark “The Korrupt Street Project.â€
Comment by ann — April 12, 2006 @ 10:45 am
How about the “KY Street Project”?
Bend over America - here cum the lobbyist.
April 12th, 2006 at 10:55 am# 19 Jane: Thank you for the compliment.I love my bow ties but I’m trying to appeal to more libs,like you.I’m trying to look progressive,but still spew my Bushlove propaganda.See,I’m not anal,and this proves it.I’m liberated baby.
April 12th, 2006 at 10:56 amDear Democrat Soldier, I hope you are right about us taking back the house and senate and maybe bringing back sanety to our country, but I am skeptical. To tell you that I am upset with the Dems. in general almost as much as I am with the Repubs would be an understatement.. Many of us have worked very hard and to no avail. Our representatives or atleast mine have abandoned our old base and become Rep. lite., waramongers just like the bunch in office. At the very least they have become silent enablers voting with the right in the most important issues…..I do try to remain hopeful but still see very little real work being done. Only a small handful stand up and are counted………Blessings
April 12th, 2006 at 10:57 amSo I guess it’d be okay for Kimberly-Clark Corp. to sue Norquist for using the word “Kleenex” without mentioning that it’s trademarked?
April 12th, 2006 at 10:59 amPoor bastard’s got a bit of a problem then. *I* just registered “thekstreetgroup.com” and “kstreetgroup.com”
They’re yours, Grover, for $50,000 each!
April 12th, 2006 at 11:03 amYou’re welcome GWSC, but the credit really has to go to IQ 4.7 and his hard hitting posts. I too hadn’t heard any of this until 4.7 laid it all out for us. His insightfulness has been a real eye opener for all of us I think.
April 12th, 2006 at 11:05 amPost 35 the Democrats cannot take back the Senate, because the DLC keeps supporting Lieberman who is a traitor and actually a Trojan Horse Republican! Also Sen. Ben Nelson of Nebraska votes for everything Bush does as well! So if the Dems keep those two guys, then even so-called winning back the Senate becomes baloney! The Democrats have a real chance to take back the House of Representatives, as long as Pelosi does not follow any advice from Sen. Reid!
April 12th, 2006 at 11:06 amwhy not get some phrases under our belt:
“Liberal Media Newsgroup”
“Moonbats for American Justice”
“Tax & Spend Global Economic Assoc.”
“Clinton Did It for Peace”
take Rush’s, Bill’s, and every other whackos talking points and brand ‘em
April 12th, 2006 at 11:07 am#35 - Sharon, I agree with you that the Democratic party has disappointed me as well.
Could you imagine what it would be like if they took a “political card” from the Republican spin-machine and hammered Pres. Bush for his lies like pres. Clinton was hammered for his lie? Pres. Bush would’ve been impeached and “Pres. Cheney” would’ve been arrested for shooting a man in the face!
While the Dem’s haven’t fought as much as I would prefer they did, they’re the only viable alternative to offsetting the extremist neo-cons that have hijacked our country.
We need a return to fiscal sanity that existed under Pres. Clinton. The surplus could have gone towards paying of our debt, but the fiscally irresponsible Republicans had to pay off their “rich†base.
There are a number of policies that Democrats have supported that I disagreed with, but there are WAY more policies that neo-cons and the corrupt Republicans have introduced that will destroy the American way of life. We need to get rid of the entrenched corrupt Republican spin-machine, and replace them with responsible politicians.
I’m just hoping that when Pres. Bush is done crapping on the Constitution, driving our debt into the stratosphere, and killing our soldiers in war-for-oil, that there’s enough of America left to pick up the pieces and return our country back to American control.
April 12th, 2006 at 11:12 amWhat Mr. Norquist really means when he touts the ‘K Street Group’ is the ‘K Street Dupe.’
Or, does he mean the ‘K Street Group Grope.’
Also, you can’t use the ‘K Street Dupe’ without first asking permission. It’s mine, and I’ll sue ya if ya do.
April 12th, 2006 at 11:12 amIf Osama says no to Cicciolina, I’ll take his place this one time.
Comment by squegeeboo — April 12, 2006 @ 9:21 am
How terribly heroic of you.
April 12th, 2006 at 11:13 am#43 How terribly heroic of you.
Sounds like someones jealous
April 12th, 2006 at 11:16 am“How about the “KY Street Projectâ€?”
Ahhh, sorry Mr. Superchrist, but Jeff Gannon and I-R-I have already formed a joint venture and moved to trademark this already. They are debriefing Scotty at the WH now on their merger.
April 12th, 2006 at 11:16 amquestion mark at the end of ‘Or, does he mean the ‘K Street Group Grope.’’
That’s how he wants to make money? Shame on him.
K Street Group K Street Group K Street Group
K Street Group K Street Group K Street Group
K Street Group K Street Group K Street Group
K?
April 12th, 2006 at 11:17 amPost 35 the Democrats cannot take back the Senate, because the DLC keeps supporting Lieberman who is a traitor and actually a Trojan Horse Republican! Also Sen. Ben Nelson of Nebraska votes for everything Bush does as well!
Comment by Jay Randal — April 12, 2006 @ 11:06 am
These guys just like being on the winning team. If the Dems take back the Senate, which they unfortunately won’t, these two idiots will rediscover some of their ling lost liberal values.
April 12th, 2006 at 11:22 am#1. Sounds like someone can’t get laid within his own species.
April 12th, 2006 at 11:24 am#39 - Jay, I don’t think that Sen. Lieberman is going to coast to re-election.
http://www.democrats.com/met-lamont
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0315-25.htm
It’s not going to be easy for Lamont to beat Sen. Lieberman. With the way that Sen. Lieberman has been whoring himself to the Reps, and his statement that he would run as an independent if he didn’t win the Dem primary points to a man who’s in love with political power more than he is with the Democratic party.
April 12th, 2006 at 11:25 amSounds like someones jealous
Comment by squegeeboo — April 12, 2006 @ 11:16 am
Of Osama? I’m not into chicks. Sorry to disappoint you, but I’m a flaming heterosexual :)
Or of the porn star? Hardly. Think Ron Jeremy… seriously gross. Some male stripper in college who was in my Statics class had a crush on me, and was pretty vocal about it. I was rather mortified. You can imagine how well that goes over at an Engineering college.
But I’ll let you have your little fantasy. Because, really, I don’t think Osama will be stepping up.
April 12th, 2006 at 11:29 am“How about the “KY Street Projectâ€?â€
Ahhh, sorry Mr. Superchrist, but Jeff Gannon and I-R-I have already formed a joint venture and moved to trademark this already. They are debriefing Scotty at the WH now on their merger.
Comment by Innocent Bystander — April 12, 2006 @ 11:16 am
Jeff and I-R-I sitting in a tree - doing it like closeted republicans with the KY Jelly.
April 12th, 2006 at 11:29 amMr K St Group.
Congradulations. Now you have to do something with those domain names or someone will be able to sue you and take them from you without paying you a dime.
I think you could just have a page for each, linking to the corruption that the K St group has brought us. They would pay you bank to silence that.
April 12th, 2006 at 11:35 amYou’re welcome GWSC, but the credit really has to go to IQ 4.7 and his hard hitting posts. I too hadn’t heard any of this until 4.7 laid it all out for us. His insightfulness has been a real eye opener for all of us I think.
Comment by Quadrajet — April 12, 2006 @ 11:05 am
WOW! Who knew? This IQ 4.7 character sounds like he might actually have an IQ of 5.7 or maybe even 6.
April 12th, 2006 at 11:37 am#53 - I agree with Kindness’s statement. If you let the domain names gather dust then you can quite conceivably lose them in a court.
If, as K suggested, link to credible sources that prove how corrupt the “K Street Project†is then you have an argument for keeping them.
Good luck in your corner of the fight against the corrupt Republicans!
April 12th, 2006 at 11:40 amGWSC, I’d be willing to go even higher than a 6 after reading the post where he cautioned us to be skeptical of Bush’s denial that he’s already decided to take military action against Iran and pointing to the lies we’ve be told regarding Iraq. Calling attention to the item in today’s Think Fast about Bush’s 2003 claim that “we’ve found WMD in Iraq†when he knew it was false was spot on and I’m with 4.7 100% on that as well.
April 12th, 2006 at 11:46 amI wish y’all would stop talking about KY jelly,Jeff Gannon and all that stuff.I’ts indecent and it’s making me HOT.And I’m not wearing my bow tie anymore.I’m not anal,I’m liberated,baby.
April 12th, 2006 at 11:47 amMr K St Group.
If you ned some ideas on what to do with the domain names - Rent the “Yes Men.”
It is a must see!
April 12th, 2006 at 11:52 amUnfortunately for Mr. Norquist, the K Street Project does not qualify for a trademark. Not unless he wants to show how he is making money with the trademark and then keep doing business with that mark. I wonder if we can find out if he really applied and when the application was rejected. Or maybe it’s just more Republican posturing without a clue.
April 12th, 2006 at 11:55 amLet Norquist have it! Staking a claim to “K-Street Project” is akin to tying a steak around a baby’s neck so the dog will play with it. NOBODY wants to play with Grover Norquist anymore.
http://www.thoughttheater.com
April 12th, 2006 at 11:56 amI.Q. 4.7 - Thank you for all bringing all of this incredibly important information to our attention.
It is not easy to speak truth to power in this venomous hate-filled political environment - but you sir have done it.
I.Q. 4.7 - You are a true Patriot!
April 12th, 2006 at 12:04 pmDid 4.7 post these comments in anouther thread? because the stuff you guys seem to think he said show up in none of his comments.
April 12th, 2006 at 12:08 pmExcellent, Quadrajet & GW SuperChrist, excellent.
Don’t engage the trolls!!
April 12th, 2006 at 12:10 pmTom Delay heading the OMB? For goodness sakes!!
the man has been indicted for mishandling of money and such!!
this is just another example of the right wing goal towards bankrupting America
I don’t think a person that has been indicted for felonious crimes should be considered for a job until the matter has been fully resolved.
this is so ingrained in American law I can’t believe there’s even talk of this man being considered?
April 12th, 2006 at 12:12 pm#62″ Excellent, Quadrajet & GW SuperChrist, excellent.
Don’t engage the trolls!! ”
Instead just put words in their mouth and attack them for statements that were never made?
April 12th, 2006 at 12:18 pm#64 - I agree, this is the most incompetent administration ever.
April 12th, 2006 at 12:19 pm#65 touche
April 12th, 2006 at 12:20 pmWow!
You too Squishypoop?
The patriotic truths that you and I.Q. 4.7 are speaking to this corrupt and incompetent administration are breathtaking.
God Bless You and God Bless America!
April 12th, 2006 at 12:35 pmI reconcile it by saying I live in the US, I want the US to stay as the world super power. I put us above anyone/everyone else, just like I put my family above my friends who are above people I don’t know.
Comment by squegeeboo — April 12, 2006 @ 10:46
How very fake christian of you. So for you it’s “the white man’s burden” to rule the world? I’ll bet your family and friends sleep well knowing you care about them over all others - especially those filthy wogs, eh?
April 12th, 2006 at 12:38 pmI have no use for Iran or the Iranians at all, however, it is my firm belief that they can be contained withoutBushco spouting off about nukes.
What is wrong with this picture?
Israel has nukes supplied by us. Pakistan has nukes. India is being sent nuclear technology although our government knows they have a pact with Iran to share that technology.
Anything wrong there? As usual, it is the same old and tired bullshit. We gave Saddam millions of dollars of WMD equipment, and then wanted to him account for it at the end of a gun barrel.
This is all bullshit. Leave the damn Iranians alone for now, we can seal them up so that when their prez lets a fart, horn will go off.
April 12th, 2006 at 12:39 pm#68 what? What does my comment have to do about christianity or the white mans burden? I support America because I am an American, and I support the status que because we are currently at the top. I could care less about helping/hurting other areas unless it is in the interests of America to do so.
Pulling a SuperChrist, Zookeeper, or Quadrajet and trying to put words in my mouth?
April 12th, 2006 at 12:43 pm#70 - Yes, once again you are correct, Tom DeLay is disgustingly corrupt, and should never show himself in public again.
April 12th, 2006 at 12:54 pmWhy aren’t we discussing that right wing inbred Bushite in New Hampshire…
…who made two dozen calls to the White House just before and after the ‘04
elections…
…when he and his TREASONOUS Republiscum co-conspirators blocked the Dems phone bank…
…ACCOUNTABILITY must be the rallying cry for Dems in November!
…if the TRAITORS Bushiva, L’il Dick and their TREASONOUS conservative hordes are not brought to justice…
…America’s (good) karma is doomed…
…already there’s a 400% increase in tornadoes…
…and hurricane season is just around the bend…
…God’s “shock and awe”!
April 12th, 2006 at 12:56 pmI put us above anyone/everyone else, just like I put my family above my friends who are above people I don’t know.
Comment by squegeeboo — April 12, 2006 @ 10:46 am
Does this include kicking your neighbor’s door down at night, torturing his sons, raping his wife & daughters, and taking over his farm?
April 12th, 2006 at 12:59 pmI support America because I am an American, and I support the status que because we are currently at the top.
Comment by squegeeboo #70
queasyfool,
…you’re “on top” of NOTHING but a corrupt, mass murdering cess pool of human garbage…
…If you’re a self professed “conservative, then you’re nothing but a selfish, self-centered, unevolved, uncivilized fool!
…and you’re probably going to die that way!
America will ONLY be great when the promises made in our constitutional rhetoric become REALITY…
…and as long as TREASONOUS, corrupt, vile right wing inbreds are in charge…
…(return to top)
April 12th, 2006 at 1:04 pm#30 - Squeegeeboo,
Jingoistic nationalism tends to be the order of the day these days. It’s time for us as a people to realize that, in order to remain a super-power, we need the assistance of other nations (our, heretofore, allies). It’s all well and good to root for the home team but, personally, the hypocracy inherent in the actions of our government is much more troubling than the prospect of Iran potentially getting a nuclear weapon 10 years from now.
How do you reconcile the fact that our President just offered FULL access to the majority of our nuclear technology to the Indian government; a country which is NOT a member of the nuclear non-proliferation treaty. At the same time, we are telling Iran, a country which has followed the non-proliferation treaty to the letter, that they can’t develop that technology. This comes on top of the fact that we could have dealt with Iran over the last 5 years (they have made, I believe 2 or 3 offers of unilateral talks to flesh out a deal) but the Bush administration chose to ignore the problem and let the Europeans handle it because we refused to even talk to Tehran. This problem is one of our own making (as every problem we’ve had in Iran since ‘53 when we installed the Shaw has been) and diplomacy is the ONLY viable solution. We have painted ourselves into a corner by attacking Iraq when and how we did and we’re going to have to figure out how to deal with the rest of the world from another perspective than down the barrel of a gun or we aren’t going to remain a super-power for much longer.
April 12th, 2006 at 1:06 pm#73 Is the farmer or his family a threat to me? Do I gain anything from not attacking them, such as a friend if needed down the line, or some kind of symbiotic relationship where we help each other in one manor or anouther? Do I have the equipment/time to run his farm as well as my own or does letting his farm go fallow help me? Will I be punished by the authorities for my action or will it be ignored or encuraged? What is my current relationship with them, good or bad? Do I feel that my mental state could withstand such actions or would it possibly cause a break down for me if I did?
All questions that would need to be answered before I could weigh the options and let you know if your proposed action, or parts of it, are worthwhile or not.
April 12th, 2006 at 1:09 pmSqueegeboo, you’re correct of course when you say that considering DeLay for the head job at OMB is yet another example of right wing arrogance and stupidity and we appreciate your valuable insight.
April 12th, 2006 at 1:10 pmDon’t forget the boyband ‘The K Street Boys’. Teengirls swoon, forget to lock their zippers, alas. Metaphorically, of course. A commenter over at DailyKos beat me to the idea that he should trademark ‘The Culture of Corruption’ and license it to the repugs. Somebody please do it.
April 12th, 2006 at 1:13 pmAll questions that would need to be answered…
Comment by squegeeboo — April 12, 2006 @ 1:09 pm
Let’s suppose he has insulted you, and told you he is going to kick your sorry behind. He has never acted on his words, and you know the biggest weapon he has is a kitchen knife -you know this, a mutual acquaintance has been there and told you.
He has a nice farm, though, full of fruit trees and cows. Your cousin has told you he wouldn’t mind working it…
April 12th, 2006 at 1:18 pm68 what? What does my comment have to do about christianity or the white mans burden? I support America because I am an American, and I support the status que because we are currently at the top.
Pulling a SuperChrist, Zookeeper, or Quadrajet and trying to put words in my mouth?
Have I put words in your mouth? Your words do a better job of demonstrating your fake christian beliefs than I could ever do.
em>I could care less about helping/hurting other areas unless it is in the interests of America to do so.
Your comments reference the United States do they not? A supposedly Christian country? Remember “what you do to the least of my children, you do to me?” Apparently not. The “white man’s burden” (I wasn’t quoting you, or trying to put words in your mouth) is the excuse the British used to justify the horrors of colonialization. And it sounds just like the rationales wingnuts use today to justify intervention - when we feel like it (because truth be told, there was no threat from Iraq, was there?). So, lets review: fake Christian, imperialist and isolationist, (a truly kooky combination), who believes in projecting America as the beacon of freedom to the rest of the world, as long as there’s something in it for him. Have I gotten anything wrong? Please tell me, I wouldn’t DARE think of mischaracterising you.
April 12th, 2006 at 1:18 pm68
Does this include kicking your neighbor’s door down at night, torturing his sons, raping his wife & daughters, and taking over his farm?
I think Squegee meant that if he had to choose between saving his daughter and his neighbors daughter he would save his.
Followed with if he had to save his neighbors daughter or a strangers he would save his neighbors.
Followed by if he had to save a member of his communities daughter over someone from a different state etc.
at least that’s the way I took it
April 12th, 2006 at 1:22 pmSelf-interest uber alles, eh?
April 12th, 2006 at 1:44 pmC’mon - lighten up on squegeeboo. He’s OK.
Like any of us have never said something the rest don’t like. That is the beauty of progressives. We’re allowed to come in more than one flavor AND we get to pick our own flavor. Compare that with the top down philosophy of Darth Cheney’s administration.
Funny thing is, it wasn’t too many years ago when it was republicans that stood for individual rights and freedoms. Now the coin has turned. I mean, look at all the lil Rovebots spouting exactly what they’ve been told to think & say.
You don’t have to like what someone says, but don’t write ‘em off as a troll cause they disagree with you on an issue or two.
April 12th, 2006 at 1:48 pm#82 not uber alles, but close enough
#80 A supposedly Christian country? If supporting Christianity in the world helps out the US I’m for it, if it dosn’t I’m against it. Basically, I’m nearly 100% macheivellian.
“So, lets review: fake Christian, imperialist and isolationist, (a truly kooky combination),”
Not Christian, neither imperialist or isolationist, I support which ever decision is in the best interests of the US, if ignoring an area helps us, ignore it, if invading an area helps us, and is worth the cost, invade it.
#79 Nope, but Id make sure to keep a loaded gun by me and would have no issues with putting a hole in him if needed.
April 12th, 2006 at 1:58 pmKindness,
Thanks for your Kindness.
Sorry about the bad pun, couldn’t resist.
April 12th, 2006 at 1:59 pm#83 - Right again, kindness. Squeegy actually said something I agree with on another thread. I’m dizzy from the cognitive disonance.
April 12th, 2006 at 2:06 pmZoo, just take a deep breath, repeat Bush is Evil for 10 minutes, and you’ll be fine.
April 12th, 2006 at 2:07 pm#87 - Thank you! I’ll quit picking on you for the rest of the day.
April 12th, 2006 at 2:23 pmI support which ever decision is in the best interests of the US, if ignoring an area helps us, ignore it, if invading an area helps us, and is worth the cost, invade it.
Comment by squegeeboo — April 12, 2006 @ 1:58
How telling that you can smugly type this after 2300 dead servicemen from a war of choice. Ask their families if they appreciate your cold calculations.
The British also supported decisions that their leaders deemed “in the best interests of the empire” - so how does your position differ? Do you think the ghastly and horrific decisions that British leaders made to protect their empire any different than the formulations we currently use? Hello, White Man’s Burden.
All this talk of “I support which ever decision is in the best interests of the US”, seems awfully vague. Do you support selling weapons to terrorists (Iran) while publicly claiming “we do not negotiate with terrorists” (Reagan) if your leaders deem it necessary? Will you accept their lies as being “in the best interests” of America, and so, unworthy of punishment? How about tapping the phones of political opponents and civil rights leaders (Nixon)? If they judge this to be “in the best interests” of America - is it jake with you?
“I support which ever decision is in the best interests of the US”
Too vague by half; please illuminate me further.
April 12th, 2006 at 2:57 pmDano, lets try this again:
White Mans Burden:The supposed or presumed responsibility of white people to govern and impart their culture to nonwhite people, often advanced as a justification for European colonialism.
My view: I do/support whats best for my family, then my friends, then my county, then my countries friends. If any thing affects a closer area, I don’t care about the effects to a further area. If bringing american culture to others helps us, do it. If helping them in their plight/suffering costs us more then its worth, don’t help them.
I could care less about governing them, all I care about is them not being a threat, and hopefulyl being an ally, to the US.
“Do you think the ghastly and horrific decisions that British leaders made to protect their empire any different than the formulations we currently use?”
No, whats your point? Some one has to be on top, might as well be us, instead of China, or a resurgent Russia, or anyone else. The only other alternative is some sort of functional world body, with an actual army, as opposed to something like the UN that we completly prop up, or ignore as needed due to its inablility to stand up for itself.
Kennedy also wiretapped civil rights leaders, if both parties felt the need, sounds like there could be a good reason for it.
Regan selling arms? Welcome to realpolitik, he was busy dealing with the USSR, and had many decisions he might not have liked, but had to make, so he could deal with the biggest threat first.
“If they judge this to be “in the best interests†of America - is it jake with you?”
April 12th, 2006 at 3:18 pmIt is if their reasoning/evidence appears to be valid, and I agree with the conclusions they draw from it. I’m not a company man who blindly supports republicans at the expense of dems.
Fossil connects human evolution dots
Wednesday, April 12, 2006; Posted: 1:06 p.m. EDT (17:06 GMT)
University of California
WASHINGTON (AP) — The latest fossil unearthed from a human ancestral hot spot in Africa allows scientists to link together the most complete chain of human evolution so far.
The 4.2 million-year-old fossil discovered in northeastern Ethiopia helps scientists fill in the gaps of how human ancestors made the giant leap from one species to another.
That’s because the newest fossil, the species Australopithecus anamensis, was found in the region of the Middle Awash — where seven other human-like species spanning nearly 6 million years and three major phases of human development were previously discovered.
“We just found the chain of evolution, the continuity through time,” study co-author and Ethiopian anthropologist Berhane Asfaw said in a phone interview from Addis Ababa. “One form evolved to another. This is evidence of evolution in one place through time.”
http://www.cnn.com/ 2006/ TECH/ science/ 04/ 12/ fossil.evolution.ap/ index.html
April 12th, 2006 at 4:14 pmI too agree with you Squishy Poop that Iran is unable to be a threat for a number of years and we should maintain other options besides military at this time.
April 12th, 2006 at 4:24 pm#91
Yes I saw it too, CNN didn’t have it, but MSN did. I wonder if other major news outlets will pick it up? The Right will be sure to discredit, ignore, and deny it at all costs.
April 12th, 2006 at 4:27 pm#90 - Damn, Squeegy, you’re making it difficult to keep my word to you. It’s on tomorrow.
April 12th, 2006 at 4:52 pmI urge everyone to call Governor Rounds office in South Dakota and tell the person who answers, that until the South Dakota legislature repeals the abortion ban you will not go see Mount Rushmore, nor will you do business with any company in South Dakota.
Then join the campaign for progressive legislation. http://www.boycott-republicans.com
The Republican Party appears vulnerable and weak at the cash registers of the companies that give money to them. Make legislative demands of these companies that give money to the Republican party and boycott them until the CEO of the company gets the Republican party to pass a progressive agenda.
I also urge people in South Dakota to call their local Dominos Pizza restaurant and tell the manager that they will not patronize their business until they get their CEO to call upon the SD legislature and get the legislature to repeal the abortion ban.
April 12th, 2006 at 5:01 pm#94 Hey Zookeeper, sorry about that, but in general, I lack feelings(empathy, if you will) towards the majority of the world that I don’t know personally, which I know makes me a cold hearted bastard, but meh, thats why I vote republican.
Anyways, as for tomorow:
April 12th, 2006 at 5:07 pmBRING IT ON!!!
The other 3% are millionaires and billionaires that hate our government and country. And the other 20% don’t care, 20% are misinformed. Warren Buffett is right on this one.
Well, maybe Brown is trying to redeem himself after the monumental mistakes in handling the original disaster, or we’ve hit a new low with politicians/government appointees creating jobs for themselves by manipulating and abusing our system of government.
April 12th, 2006 at 5:20 pmYes I saw it too, CNN didn’t have it, but MSN did. I wonder if other major news outlets will pick it up? The Right will be sure to discredit, ignore, and deny it at all costs.
Comment by For Truth — April 12, 2006 @ 4:27 pm
I have little doubt that this too will go the way of ‘faked dinosaur bones’ and ‘false lunar landings’…
I’ve begun to understand why there is a dire shortage of Science teachers. At least a dozen kids answered “How did the solar system form’ with the answer ‘God’ on their last test. And then one challenged me by saying the he’d prove it was God by bringing in his Bible. I seriously need to move.
Thought it was interesting that CNN didn’t exactly call it what it is - The Missing Link. They are after all, here in Georgia. Where Evolution is a bad word…. Sheesh.
April 12th, 2006 at 5:58 pmRegan selling arms? Welcome to realpolitik, he was busy dealing with the USSR, and had many decisions he might not have liked, but had to make, so he could deal with the biggest threat first.
How does selling weapons to terrorists (the same that held Americans hostage) translate in “realpolitic” to “dealing with the USSR?”
I asked for an explanation, not “realpolitic” gobbledygook. Unless your thoughts are really this vague and shifty. A scary thought! Please answer the question in English this time, for those who don’t understand republican “realpolitic.”
April 12th, 2006 at 5:59 pmDamn, Squeegy, you’re making it difficult to keep my word to you. It’s on tomorrow.
Comment by Zookeeper — April 12, 2006 @ 4:52 pm
He’s like you’re own personal whack-a-troll, huh? Too addictive to stop :)
April 12th, 2006 at 6:00 pmin general, I lack feelings(empathy, if you will) towards the majority of the world that I don’t know personally, which I know makes me a cold hearted bastard, but meh, thats why I vote republican.
Comment by squegeeboo — April 12, 2006 @ 5:07 pm
Then maybe you should put down the remote control and get out and meet more people who don’t look and think just like you, eh? Scary, I know… I used to be a Republican. Now, i frequently laugh at the inane stuff that used to terrify me. Not much in life to fear actually. :)
April 12th, 2006 at 6:03 pmYea, I will respectfully disagree with Squegeeboo on this one. We should treat others like we expect to be treated ourselves. My Ma taught me that one.
This isn’t king of the hill where the biggest asshole gets their way, ya know….Well, apparently some here - squeege, ya listening? - think it should be. What century/millenia do you think humans finally attain civilization?
April 12th, 2006 at 6:23 pmDano “I asked for an explanation, not “realpolitic†gobbledygook. ”
Realpolitik is the explination, do the research to learn what it is, and see how people view politics/scenerios from my perspective, which I have explained above several times.
By selling weapons to Iran, we hoped to influence the hostages being held in lebanon by hizzbolah, which was mostly funded thru Iran. In addition, it could have at least softened relations between the US and Iran, and helped bring them into our camp against the soviets.
#102 Kindness: “This isn’t king of the hill where the biggest asshole gets their way, ya know”
April 12th, 2006 at 6:50 pmIn democratic circles/nations I agree with you, however when dealing with despots/dictators etc. they only seem to understand power, at which point being the biggest asshole at the top of the hill can help you out quite a bit.
#100 - He’s like you’re own personal whack-a-troll, huh? Too addictive to stop :)
Comment by unbelievable
Whack-a-troll! I like that name, unbelievable, may I use it? It IS addictive.
#96 - No empathy, not an excuse. Tomorrow, then.
April 12th, 2006 at 6:51 pmWhack-a-troll! I like that name, unbelievable, may I use it? It IS addictive.
Comment by Zookeeper — April 12, 2006 @ 6:51 pm
Can’t take credit. Someone else around here came up with it. I thought it was clever. Some very witty folks running around in here.
I try not to pay attention to how much time I spend in here. But, really, where else in your neighborhood could you find such a congregation of bright, intelligent, educated people? I figure this is far better than the idiot box or a conversation with most of my neighbors…. :)
April 12th, 2006 at 8:10 pm“By selling weapons to Iran, we hoped to influence the hostages being held in lebanon by hizzbolah, which was mostly funded thru Iran. In addition, it could have at least softened relations between the US and Iran, and helped bring them into our camp against the soviets. squishypoop”
Some might call that a ransome. Others just call it STUPID. And still others call it recklessly dangerous. I just call it republican values.
“In democratic circles/nations I agree with you, however when dealing with despots/dictators etc. they only seem to understand power, at which point being the biggest asshole at the top of the hill can help you out quite a bit. Comment by squishypoop”
Actually they only understand how to USE force, they don’t necessarily understand it being used against them. This fundamental ‘flaw’ in the ‘logic’ of reichwingers always causes your assholes to do stupid things.
A dictator doesn’t tend to back down from force, they tend to do reckless and dangerous acts in order to avoid or respond to it. Think cornered animal. The reason they ARE a dictator is because they aren’t intimidated by force. If they were, they’d be the guy grovelling on the floor for their lives.
This just yet another example of the RETARDED NONREALPOLITIC of Reichwingers that’s based on ridiculous and INCORRECT preconceptions. There’s a reason you crapholes do poorly in school AND government. You don’t pay attention to details, you don’t learn, and you don’t research! You’re FOOLS!!!!
April 12th, 2006 at 9:03 pmUnbelievable, Zookeeper - the whack-a-troll is becoming an increasingly popular term on blogs. I’ve seen posts several years old that use it. And I like it ;)
Especially as more ‘(un)professional trolls’ join the fray.
April 12th, 2006 at 9:07 pmRyan “A dictator doesn’t tend to back down from force, they tend to do reckless and dangerous acts in order to avoid or respond to it.”
So Libia gave up its WMD program, and Syria left Lebanon after we invaded Iraq, but we had nothing to do with it….sounds like you just can’t ever admit force is necissary or useful, which isn’t that supprising seeing how you can’t even admit that WW2 lifted us from the great depression.
April 12th, 2006 at 10:08 pm“So Libia gave up its WMD program, and Syria left Lebanon after we invaded Iraq, but we had nothing to do with it….sounds like you just can’t ever admit force is necissary or useful, which isn’t that supprising seeing how you can’t even admit that WW2 lifted us from the great depression. Comment by squishypoop”
You’re reading too many reichwing blogs - both of those claims are non-sequitors and unfounded.
And as I corrected and you ADMITTED PREVIOUSLY, we were already in an economic boom due to the new deal. Only after it pulled back did we return to a recession that the war QUICKLY restored. Sorry, but you’re LYING AGAIN.
You make a GREAT NAZI PROPAGANDIST, you lie, forget the arguments you lose, misrepresent those losses as victories, and claim that anything good happens does so because of your pet policy without being able to show causality.
You’re a FOOL. What a MORON. Fvck you loser asshole.
April 13th, 2006 at 2:03 amHey Squishypoop,
Here destroys your Libya claim from diplomats that KNOW - unlike you, who clearly KNOWS NOTHING.
As for the Syria claim, it was the demonstrations and actions of the Lebanese that caused that. You ‘claiming credit’ for the work of the Lebanese is disgusting. A beloved politician was killed, and the Lebanese responded - PERIOD.
And Lebanon had/has its own elected government and NOT a dictatorship. And Syria’s government is a King, who inherited the kingdom and didn’t ’seize’ it as Saddam did. Your stupidity, overly simplistice and moronic view of history is typical of the ’shallow’ and ‘ridiculous’ claims you’ve made.
Like how you said the great depression was still going on even though the economic indicators were better than during the last 5 years of bush.
You’re a RETARD.
April 13th, 2006 at 2:15 amSo Libia gave up its WMD program, and Syria left Lebanon after we invaded Iraq, but we had nothing to do with it….
Comment by squegeeboo — April 12, 2006 @ 10:08 pm
Believing that Libya abandoned its WMDs program because of the US invasion of Iraq is a good example of the post hoc fallacy.
Truth is, Libya is a text book case of a successful application of political , economic, and diplomatic sanctions -what Iraq could have been if Pres Bush hadn’t decided to invade it. Khadaffi’s regime had been trying to get the UN sanctions lifted for years; the extradition of those involved in the Lockerbie bombing was one of such efforts.
Here are a few links for background information on Libya, and Khadaffi’s attempts at getting rid of the sanctions:
Back then [in 1999], Libya was facing a deepening economic crisis produced by disastrous economic policies and mismanagement of its oil revenues. United Nations and US sanctions that prevented Libya importing oilfield technology made it impossible for Mr. Gadaffi to expand oil production. The only way out was to seek rapprochement with Washington.
The Iraq War did not Force Gadaffi’s Hand
US President George W. Bush and other supporters of the Iraq War attempted to portray Gaddafi’s announcement [to dismantle Libya’s WMD program] as a direct consequence of the Iraq War by claiming that Gaddafi acted out of fear for the future of his own regime if he continued to keep and conceal his weapons. (…) Many foreign policy experts, however, contend that Gaddafi’s announcement was merely a continuation of his prior attempts at normalizing relations with the West and getting the sanctions removed. To support this, they point to the fact that Libya had already made similar offers starting four years prior to it finally being accepted.
Wikipedia: Muammar al-Qaddafi
The Qaddafi regime has been trying to come in from the cold for more than a decade, as I detailed in a recent article, “Libya Is Not Iraq: Preemptive Strikes, WMD and Diplomacy,†published in the summer 2004 issue of The Middle East Journal (www.mideasti.org). Informal Libyan overtures, which began as early as 1992, were rebuffed by the first Bush administration and later by the Clinton administration. At the time, Libya indicated that it was willing to discuss a renunciation of terrorism and the abandonment of WMD programs in return for talks aimed at ending sanctions and normalizing relations.
Separating Libyan Facts from Bush Fiction
Far from a relatively brief “nine months of intense negotiations,” American, British and Libyan officials had been traversing the diplomatic channels concerning this, and other issues, for almost fifteen years in an effort to normalize relations between Libya and the rest of the world.
Credit Where It Isn’t Due
As for Syria, the Lebanese people started protesting, demonstrating to have Syrian troops leave after the assassination of former PM Hariri who had lead for years the opposition to Syrian troops in his country. The protests increased after it became clear Syria was behind the murder.
Any attempts from the Bush administration to take credit for these two events are disingenuous and opportunistic at best.
April 13th, 2006 at 2:15 amGregor,
Squishypoop is mentally retarded - but I’m glad you posted the host of resources for people that aren’t as socially and mentally crippled as (s)he is. (s)he’s a classic propagandist that expends a great deal of effort to ‘frame’ and ‘propagandise’ his/her arguments. It’s exactly the sort of extremist, fringe and psychopathic personality that (s)he cautions others of being. Classic projectionism, and sociopathic behaviors. In fact I’ve become increasingly convince (s)he’s I-RIGHT-I. The style and arguments are ridiculously similar to ones I’ve had in past monts with that whacko. Even much of the vocabulary and tactics are the same. If it’s not the same ‘troll’, it’s the same ‘illness’ underlying this freak.
April 13th, 2006 at 2:25 amRyan,
I thought it was a very interesting coincidence -both our posts have the same timestamp and say pretty much the same thing in the same order.
I try to include as many links as possible because a)we were asked to help with the quality of the blog and b)I like to share the information I find with anyone who is interested.
As for IRI, I had the strangest exchange with that creature today: He denied ever saying that women should not have the same rights as men; strange, considering his has said consistently, repeatedly, and for months now that women should not vote. He denied ever defending, advocating torture after… well, I don’t need to tell you. Talk about psychotic.
April 13th, 2006 at 2:39 amGregor,
Yes that is funny, great minds think alike - I consider it fantastic to be in the same class as you. You’re an extremely articulate and conscientious poster - keep up the great work!
As for ImaRedneckIdiot, yeah, I’ve had similar experiences with him/her. It’s been in recent weeks - so I think we might have a different troll filling in. (S)he didn’t even remember I was Hindu, hardly a small matter, and one that we’ve argued about frequently. Maybe he’s just a pentagon replacement brought in after the first troll that got banned by Judd. Or maybe (s)he’s just gone off the deep end.
But then you have squishypoop that when proven wrong adopts your argument as though that were his/her original argument. What a MORON. These trolls are just fools and sickly criminal.
April 13th, 2006 at 2:58 amRyan,
Thanks for the compliments. You don’t do a shabby job yourself ;-)
Personally, I suspect some of the trolls are either allergic to rational thought, or simply frustrated, angry white males and ThinkProgress is the outlet for their anger. In the latter case it is no surprise they do not care to make sense: They are here to belittle in order to feel good about themlselves, and what’s been said in the past is of no importance. IRI is most definitely a very angry white male, bemoaning the loss of his white privilege… hence his putdowns of minorities, women, death threats to “leftists”, and genocidal fantasies. Freud would have a field day with the guy.
Anyway… gotta hit the sheets. g’nite mate.
April 13th, 2006 at 3:14 amCheers.
April 13th, 2006 at 3:22 amSo Libia gave up its WMD program, and Syria left Lebanon after we invaded Iraq, but we had nothing to do with it….
Comment by squegeeboo — April 12, 2006 @ 10:08 pm
That would be like saying that your nextdoor neighbors gave away their dog because you got into a fight with the guy across the street because his dog was barking all night. Doubtful.
April 13th, 2006 at 7:17 amGregor:
“They are here to belittle in order to feel good about themlselves, and what’s been said in the past is of no importance.”
Interestingly enough, that also Ryan more aptly then me, just take these for example
squishypoop-inability to use my name with out insult
Squishypoop is mentally retarded-insulting my intelegience due to different political views
extremist, fringe and psychopathic personality - some how being a conservative, something roughly 1/3 of the nation is, makes me all of these
And as I corrected and you ADMITTED PREVIOUSLY, we were already in an economic boom due to the new deal.- Straight out lying, I started out the depression debate stating we were in a recovery until the new deals ended, then anouther recession that the war pulled us out of, something the archives will back me up on.
And those are all just from one thread, all the rest are full of the same pettyness.
As for myself, I’m just here to learn the liberal/progressive position and debate against it with the my position, which tends to be conservative.
#117 Unbelievable-”That would be like saying that your nextdoor neighbors gave away their dog because you got into a fight with the guy across the street because his dog was barking all night. Doubtful.”
If during the fight, he had the neighbor arrested, shot his sons and took over his house, yes, that would make me get rid of my own dog, having a pet wouldn’t be worth the risk
April 13th, 2006 at 8:14 amIf during the fight, he had the neighbor arrested, shot his sons and took over his house, yes, that would make me get rid of my own dog, having a pet wouldn’t be worth the risk
Comment by squegeeboo — April 13, 2006 @ 8:14 am
Really? You’re that easily manipulated by fear? Not me. I wouldn’t let some angry asshOle run my life.
April 13th, 2006 at 8:18 am#119 Really? You’re that easily manipulated by fear? Not me. I wouldn’t let some angry asshOle run my life.
If it was something important, like a family member, I would stand firm, but to risk the lives of my family over a pet just isn’t worth it. Although I could always do a pre-emptive strike on the neighbor, but then I could get stuck in a quagmire of managing two houses, and the other neighbors would sloganier me with things like “No Home Invasion for Extra Income thru Renting a secondary Domicle” or the such.
April 13th, 2006 at 8:57 amAlthough I could always do a pre-emptive strike on the neighbor, but then I could get stuck in a quagmire of managing two houses, and the other neighbors would sloganier me with things like “No Home Invasion for Extra Income thru Renting a secondary Domicle†or the such.
Comment by squegeeboo — April 13, 2006 @ 8:57 am
Or… you could get to know the neighbor and be a person to him instead of a barking dog problem. Especially if you are a responsible person, perhaps unlike the guy accross the street, who doesn’t let your dog bark all night.
Peace, love and understanding doesn’t always work but, if you’ll notice, few of you conservatives call me names out of anger… I say, there’s a reason worth consideration…
April 13th, 2006 at 9:41 amLook Squeege, I didn’t like that we invaded Afganistan, but I wasn’t against it, cause we HAD to. Their government was in cahoots with the bums who carried out 9/11.
You, not any other bushie can make the same claims about Iraq & Saddam. He was contained. He is and was an asshole, but he didn’t threaten us. We’ve only kicked our own ass by going out and occupying Iraq. We helped out Osama and Al Queda so much by doing that, that I wouldn’t doubt that they are giving money to republican re-election campaigns as we speak (and back in 2004, trace the money….).
To suggest that we could further our cause by continuing on an insane course by attacking Iran….Jesus, you shoot yourself in one leg and you think the right “correction” of a bad situation is to shoot your other leg. That IS what we see. So sorry you insist on seeing delusions and fantasy. You sir, have chased the white rabbit down the hole. You ate the mushrooms, and you still only see the red queen (king dumbya really) screaming off with her head. I don’t get that. I never went there when I ate the mushroom. Whatever. Sure glad I’m not you.
April 13th, 2006 at 10:07 amKindess, I don’t want us to attack Iran, but I also don’t want them to have nukes, even more so with the retoric that comes from their leaders towards Israel and the US. (nuclear power I have no real issue with assuming the UN has a hand managing it)
However if it really will take them 5+ years to get to the bomb, I have no issue with continueing diplomacy, but that dosn’t mean we shouldnt have contigencies planned if diplomacy fails. Also, if it really will take that long, maybe we will have figured out the Iraq issues, which could then be used for a better plan towards Iran.
April 13th, 2006 at 10:46 amYou and I agree & disagree there. I don’t want them to have nukes either. I don’t want ANYBODY (including us) to have nukes. But we both probably agree that it is way harder to put toothpaste back in the tube after you’ve squeezed it out.
I guess my whole thing about them (Iran) getting the bomb is, well, if they really want to have it, they will be able to get it. The nuclear bunker busters we have will only go down through 75 meters of hard rock. So, they could build their Cheyenne Mountain 250 meters down. Then what? My point is, we don’t have any way of stopping them outside of invasion & occupation. IMHO that is the absolute worst thing we could do( ie - see Iraq). So stringing it out by bombing above ground facilities will delay, but not deny. It would cause WWIII however & you shouldn’t deny that.
Me, I think we should talk to them as equals and take it from there. WWIII is what I don’t think should be an option.
respectfully….
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