I can not agree with you in 100% regarding some thoughts, but you got good point of view

I can not agree with you in 100% regarding some thoughts, but you got good point of view

I can not agree with you in 100% regarding some thoughts, but you got good point of view

I guess my whole thing about them (Iran) getting the bomb is, well, if they really want to have it, they will be able to get it. The nuclear bunker busters we have will only go down through 75 meters of hard rock. So, they could build their Cheyenne Mountain 250 meters down. Then what? My point is, we don’t have any way of stopping them outside of invasion & occupation. IMHO that is the absolute worst thing we could do( ie – see Iraq). So stringing it out by bombing above ground facilities will delay, but not deny. It would cause WWIII however & you shouldn’t deny that.

Me, I think we should talk to them as equals and take it from there. WWIII is what I don’t think should be an option.

respectfully….

However if it really will take them 5+ years to get to the bomb, I have no issue with continueing diplomacy, but that dosn’t mean we shouldnt have contigencies planned if diplomacy fails. Also, if it really will take that long, maybe we will have figured out the Iraq issues, which could then be used for a better plan towards Iran.

You, not any other bushie can make the same claims about Iraq & Saddam. He was contained. He is and was an asshole, but he didn’t threaten us. We’ve only kicked our own ass by going out and occupying Iraq. We helped out Osama and Al Queda so much by doing that, that I wouldn’t doubt that they are giving money to republican re-election campaigns as we speak (and back in 2004, trace the money….).

To suggest that we could further our cause by continuing on an insane course by attacking Iran….Jesus, you shoot yourself in one leg and you think the right “correction” of a bad situation is to shoot your other leg. That IS what we see. So sorry you insist on seeing delusions and fantasy. You sir, have chased the white rabbit down the hole. You ate the mushrooms, and you still only see the red queen (king dumbya really) screaming off with her head. I don’t get that. I never went there when I ate the mushroom. Whatever. Sure glad I’m not you.

Comment by squegeeboo — April 13, 2006 @ 8:57 am

Or… you could get to know the neighbor and be a person to him instead of a barking dog problem. Especially if you are a responsible person, perhaps unlike the guy accross the street, who doesn’t let your dog bark all night.

Peace, love and understanding doesn’t always work but, if you’ll notice, few of you conservatives call me names out of anger… I say, there’s a reason worth consideration…

If it was something important, like a family member, I would stand firm, but to risk the lives of my family over a pet just isn’t worth it. Although I could always do a pre-emptive strike on the neighbor, but then I could get stuck in a quagmire of managing two houses, and the other neighbors would sloganier me with things like “No Home Invasion for Extra Income thru Renting a secondary Domicle” or the such.

Comment by squegeeboo — April 13, 2006 @ 8:14 am

Really? You’re that easily manipulated by fear? Not me. I wouldn’t let some angry asshOle run my life.

Interestingly enough, that also Ryan more aptly then me, just take these for example
squishypoop-inability to use my name with out insult
Squishypoop is mentally retarded-insulting my intelegience due to different political views
extremist, fringe and psychopathic personality – some how being a conservative, something roughly 1/3 of the nation is, makes me all of these
And as I corrected and you ADMITTED PREVIOUSLY, we were already in an economic boom due to the new deal.- Straight out lying, I started out the depression debate stating we were in a recovery until the new deals ended, then anouther recession that the war pulled us out of, something the archives will back me up on.
And those are all just from one thread, all the rest are full of the same pettyness.

As for myself, I’m just here to learn the liberal/progressive position and debate against it with the my position, which tends to be conservative.

#117 Unbelievable-”That would be like saying that your nextdoor neighbors gave away their dog because you got into a fight with the guy across the street because his dog was barking all night. Doubtful.”

If during the fight, he had the neighbor arrested, shot his sons and took over his house, yes, that would make me get rid of my own dog, having a pet wouldn’t be worth the risk

That would be like saying that your nextdoor neighbors gave away their dog because you got into a fight with the guy across the street because his dog was barking all night. Doubtful.

Thanks for the compliments. You don’t do a shabby job yourself ;-)

Personally, I suspect some of the trolls are either allergic to rational thought, or simply frustrated, angry white males and ThinkProgress is the outlet for their anger. In the latter case it is no surprise they do not care to make sense: They are here to belittle in order to feel good about themlselves, and what’s been said in the past is of no importance. IRI is most definitely a very angry white male, bemoaning the loss of his white privilege… hence his putdowns of minorities, women, death threats to “leftists”, and genocidal fantasies. Freud would have a field day with the guy.

Anyway… gotta hit the sheets. g’nite mate.

Yes that is funny, great minds think alike – I consider it fantastic to be in the same class as you. You’re an extremely articulate and conscientious poster – keep up the great work!

As for ImaRedneckIdiot, yeah, I’ve had similar experiences with him/her. It’s been in recent weeks – so I think we might have a different troll filling in. (S)he didn’t even remember I was Hindu, hardly a small matter, and one that we’ve argued about frequently. Maybe he’s just a pentagon replacement brought in after the first troll that got banned by Judd. Or maybe (s)he’s just gone off the deep end.

But then you have squishypoop that when proven wrong adopts your argument as though that were his/her original argument. What a MORON. These trolls are just fools and sickly criminal.

I thought it was a very interesting coincidence -both our posts have the same timestamp and say pretty much the same thing in the same order.

I try to include as many links as possible because a)we were asked to help with the quality of the blog and b)I like to share the information I find with anyone who is interested.

As for IRI, I had the strangest exchange with that creature today: He denied ever saying that women should not have the same rights as men; strange, considering his has said consistently, repeatedly, and for months now that women should not vote. He denied ever defending, advocating torture after… well, I don’t need to tell you. Talk about psychotic.

Squishypoop is mentally retarded – but I’m glad you posted the host of resources for people that aren’t as socially and mentally crippled as (s)he is. (s)he’s a classic propagandist that expends a great deal of effort to ‘frame’ and ‘propagandise’ his/her arguments. It’s exactly the sort of extremist, fringe and psychopathic personality that (s)he cautions others of being. Classic projectionism, and sociopathic behaviors. In fact I’ve become increasingly convince (s)he’s I-RIGHT-I. The style and arguments are ridiculously similar to ones I’ve had in past monts with that whacko. Even much of the vocabulary and tactics are the same. If it’s not the same ‘troll’, it’s the same ‘illness’ underlying this freak.

Believing that Libya abandoned its WMDs program because of the US invasion of Iraq is a good example of the post hoc fallacy.

Truth is, Libya is a text book case of a successful application of political , economic, and diplomatic sanctions -what Iraq could have been if Pres Bush hadn’t decided to invade it. Khadaffi’s regime had been trying to get the UN sanctions lifted for years; the extradition of those involved in the Lockerbie bombing was one of such efforts.

Here are a few links for background information on Libya, and Khadaffi’s attempts at getting rid of the sanctions:

Back then [in 1999], Libya was facing a deepening economic crisis produced by disastrous economic policies and mismanagement of its oil revenues. United Nations and US sanctions that prevented Libya importing oilfield technology made it impossible for Mr. Gadaffi to expand oil production. The only way out was to seek rapprochement with Washington.
The Iraq War did not Force Gadaffi’s Hand

US President George W. Bush and other supporters of the Iraq War attempted to portray Gaddafi’s announcement [to dismantle Libya's WMD program] as a direct consequence of the Iraq War by claiming that Gaddafi acted out of fear for the future of his own regime if he continued to keep and conceal his weapons. (…) Many foreign policy experts, however, contend that Gaddafi’s announcement was merely a continuation of his prior attempts at normalizing relations with the West and getting the sanctions removed. To support this, they point to the fact that Libya had already made similar offers starting four years prior to it finally being accepted.
Wikipedia: Muammar al-Qaddafi

The Qaddafi regime has been trying to come in from the cold for more than a decade, as I detailed in a recent article, “Libya Is Not Iraq: Preemptive Strikes, WMD and Diplomacy,” published in the summer 2004 issue of The Middle East Journal (www.mideasti.org). Informal Libyan overtures, which began as early as 1992, were rebuffed by the first Bush administration and later by the Clinton administration. At the time, Libya indicated that it was willing to discuss a renunciation of terrorism and the abandonment of WMD programs in return for talks aimed at ending sanctions and normalizing relations.
Separating Libyan Facts from Bush Fiction

Far from a relatively brief “nine months of intense negotiations,” American, British and Libyan officials had been traversing the diplomatic channels concerning this, and other issues, for almost fifteen years in an effort to normalize relations between Libya and the rest of the world.
Credit Where It Isn’t Due

As for Syria, the Lebanese people started protesting, demonstrating to have Syrian troops leave after the assassination of former PM Hariri who had lead for years the opposition to Syrian troops in his country. The protests increased after it became clear Syria was behind the murder.

Any attempts from the Bush administration to take credit for these two events are disingenuous and opportunistic at best.

Here destroys your Libya claim from diplomats that KNOW – unlike you, who clearly KNOWS NOTHING.

STOCKHOLM – Contrary to recent US claims that its war on Iraq forced Libya to give up its nuclear weapons program, former UN chief weapons inspector Hans Blix said that diplomacy should be given most of the credit.

“I think the dialogue in Libya started before (the war),” Blix said, speaking in Stockholm at the first meeting of a new international commission on weapons of mass destruction, of which he is chairman.

“If the Iraqi affair injected a concern in Libya and Iran and North Korea… I really don’t know,” he added. “One could (instead) say that the Libyan case shows that you can through diplomacy and through sanctions and through other means obtain a voluntary renunciation of weapons.”

Blix’s comments were sparked by US President George W. Bush’s claims last week that the war in Iraq forced Libya to suddenly announce late last year that it was giving up its nuclear weapons program.

“Nine months of intense negotiations involving the United States and Great Britain succeeded with Libya, while 12 years of diplomacy with Iraq did not,” Bush said in his annual State of the Union speech to the US Congress.

Blix, a former Swedish diplomat who was charged with searching for weapons of mass destruction in the 15 weeks leading up to the US-led invasion of Iraq, was assigned to lead the new Swedish-financed commission on WMD last year.

The independent commission, funded by Sweden and made up of 15 members from 15 different countries, will work through 2005 on finding ways of limiting the spread of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons, as well as on ways of disarming countries that already have such weapons.

As for the Syria claim, it was the demonstrations and actions of the Lebanese that caused that. You ‘claiming credit’ for the work of the Lebanese is disgusting. A beloved politician was killed, and the Lebanese responded – PERIOD.

And Lebanon had/has its own elected government and NOT a dictatorship. And Syria’s government is a King, who inherited the kingdom and didn’t ’seize’ it as Saddam did. Your stupidity, overly simplistice and moronic view of history is typical of the ’shallow’ and ‘ridiculous’ claims you’ve made.

Like how you said the great depression was still going on even though the economic indicators were better than during the last 5 years of bush.

You’re a RETARD.

You’re reading too many reichwing blogs – both of those claims are non-sequitors and unfounded.

And as I corrected and you ADMITTED PREVIOUSLY, we were already in an economic boom due to the new deal. Only after it pulled back did we return to a recession that the war QUICKLY restored. Sorry, but you’re LYING AGAIN.

You make a GREAT NAZI PROPAGANDIST, you lie, forget the arguments you lose, misrepresent those losses as victories, and claim that anything good happens does so because of your pet policy without being able to show causality.

You’re a FOOL. What a MORON. Fvck you loser asshole.