Rep. Bradley Leaves Missile Attack Out of Editorial Critical of Iraq Coverage
Rep. Bradley Leaves Missile Attack Out of Editorial Critical of Iraq Coverage
In January, Rep. Jeb Bradley (R-NH) traveled to Iraq with five other members of Congress. Upon his return, he described his experiences there in an editorial for the Manchester Union Leader — “Despite Difficulties, We are Making Steady Progress in Iraq†— in which he repeated the conservative talking point that the media is too negative in its reporting on Iraq:
One common complaint, though, is that Americans at home get too little news about the progress being made. These troops are concerned that the terror campaign and the media’s predominant focus on suicide bombs and IED attacks will do precisely what the terrorists want: undermine our nation’s confidence and resolve.
Here’s what didn’t make it into his op-ed. From today’s Boston Globe:
Rep. Jeb Bradley, R- N.H., and several other congressmen had a close call during a visit to Iraq this winter.
Word is just coming out that the military plane carrying the group had to dodge a shoulder-fired missile as it flew from Baghdad to Kuwait City in January.
Bradley told the New Hampshire Union Leader that shortly after takeoff from Baghdad, “the crew started taking evasive measures. They started swerving and diving the plane and sent off flares that distracted the missile.”
The C-130 was carrying Bradley, five other congressmen and four military officials.
Bradley said he kept the incident quiet because he wanted any news from his visit to focus on the troops. “The story was about them, not us,” he said.
That’s exactly the point. The story is about the troops. But their real problem is not slanted media reports, it’s the extraordinary dangers they face every day.
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Anothwr honest ,truth telling Repug .LET’S NOT TELL THE PEOPLE OF N.H they may turn against the war and be sorry they voted for GW .
April 13th, 2006 at 1:22 pmAnd I bet Bradley would have later appologized for being in the way of the missle had he been hit; taking the blame personally just so it wouldn’t reflect badly on the situation out there.
April 13th, 2006 at 1:23 pmThese assholes are unbelievable.
The definition of hypocrisy. He parrots the Republican talking point that the media isn’t reporting the truth in Iraq, then he purposefully hides a critical piece of information from his analysis of the situation.
“Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?”
April 13th, 2006 at 1:29 pmHe’s clueless. I’d call him an idiot, but I know some idiots, and I don’t want to insult them.
April 13th, 2006 at 1:29 pm“I almost got killed in Iraq…but its the media’s fault that Americans dont think everything is hunky dory over there”
Another fraud Rethug…who thinks they can go around and make their own reality in spite of the facts
April 13th, 2006 at 1:29 pmisn’t there an old joke…something about
‘other than that, mrs lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?…’
April 13th, 2006 at 1:32 pmDon’t you see, you are making his point for him. Rather than focusing on the “bad news” of the dire security situation in Iraq, we should be focusing on the “good news” that the plane was NOT struck by the missle due to the courage and competence of the military personnel that were operating the aircraft.
And in other “good news” from today, the majority of our troops will NOT be shot or blown up today. Also, although most Iraqis will not have adequate utility services or other such luxuries, the majority of them should survive the day. Freedom isn’t free, especially when it is being imposed by US.
April 13th, 2006 at 1:38 pm“We’re keeping I.E.D. attacks quiet over here so we don’t have to admit they’re happening over there.”
April 13th, 2006 at 1:40 pmIn other words: In order to get people to back the war, the Bush administration supporters willfully engage in lies and wanton propaganda, ignoring reality if it does not fall in line with their preconceived notions.
These are the same people who have been entrusted with policy setting, and resolving the country’s many problems.
Can we trust their solutions will be based on facts and reality? Methinks not.
April 13th, 2006 at 1:40 pmIt’s hard to think of a better example of a demonstrable lie.
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April 13th, 2006 at 1:43 pmhttp://griperblade.blogspot.com – grumblings from the heartland
I just read his article… if he wants good news presented then why didnt he present any? He didnt mention almost being shot out of the sky, but he also did not explain what these “good” things are? What is going on that is good? An election that resulted in nothing? Was he refering to the Kurds? They had their own area under control even while Saddam was in power. Does he mean the conditions are getting better for the American soldiers that shouldnt even be there? Is he talking about the Iraqi divisions that “will in the near future” (always getting nearer) be able to fight on their own?
He gave ZERO good news about any progress… he said there was progress and then didnt prove it. He said things WILL happen in the future, but how does he know that? We have heard that over and over…it is always wrong. This is a joke. If even these people can not find the “good news” when they are willing to make it up then how is the media going to find it?
April 13th, 2006 at 1:45 pm#10: It’s hard to think of a better example of a demonstrable lie. – - More like selective memory. I.E.D.s are the elephant in the room though, so with the Republicans, they think that just not getting caught in a lie is the same as telling the truth.
April 13th, 2006 at 1:47 pmSee, in Bush world if anyone focuses on the bombs and the attacks in Iraq that is just what the terrorists want. Yet, Bush has spent 5 years reminding every American of the terrorist attacks on 9/11. Isn’t that also wha the “terrorists want” too?
-GSD
April 13th, 2006 at 1:54 pmI dunno, people. Sounds to me like yet more Republican spin jobs to me.
April 13th, 2006 at 1:58 pmGood News from Iraq today:
Shiite mosque bombing kills 10 : Good news=could have been more.
65,000 Iraqis fleeing homes to avoid violence and death : Good news=Baghdad has surplus of affordable housing.
Formation of government still stalled : Good news=producers of “Survivor” in talks with Iraqi officials to turn Prime Minister search into reality series.
British air force doctor JAILED for being conscientious objector : Good news=Less doctors means less wounded (reverse application of the “If you build it, they will come” fantasy theory).
Coordinated mortar attack wounds 15 marines : Good news=none were reported to have died.
Three U.S. Soldiers die : Good news=MSM does not report on this negative nelly sort of stuff because they are focusing on the “good news”.
April 13th, 2006 at 1:59 pm#13 – Yes, GSD, exactly, the terrorist’s victory lies not in the remains of ruined buildings and marketplaces, but in the fear instilled in the hearts and minds of those left behind.
April 13th, 2006 at 2:00 pm#15:
Someone knows how to “Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V”
April 13th, 2006 at 2:02 pmI have more good news: We haven’t bombed Iran. Yet.
April 13th, 2006 at 2:03 pmThree U.S. Soldiers die : Good news=MSM does not report on this negative nelly sort of stuff because they are focusing on the “good newsâ€.
Comment by Optimist — April 13, 2006 @ 1:59
Touche’!
April 13th, 2006 at 2:05 pmPayson – I EXPECT war to be dirty, bloody, and awful – unfortunately, few are as clean and deliberate as a chess game. But the “progressive drumbeat” is designed to tatter the American will to fight AND win. (Good thing TP wasn’t around during the bloodiest battle of the Civil War, Antietam. With 28,000 casualties – including my great, great grandfather – the “good” folks at TP might not have seen the value of preserving the Union. Who are we to impose our way of life on “them”???)
But what else should we expect from a pacifist ideology that somehow evolved without a “fight for survival” gene?? The “flight” portion of your “fight or flight” instinct is doing just fine, I’m happy to report….
April 13th, 2006 at 2:05 pm#19 – More good news: Cheney hasn’t shot an old guy in the face today — and neither have I.
April 13th, 2006 at 2:05 pmCondi gets first hand experience of sucsess in Iraq.
April 13th, 2006 at 2:07 pmNot a happy camper.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/04/03/wirq103.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/04/03/ixnewstop.html
“We’re Making Progress” is now #6 on the Top 10 GOP Sound Bites.
April 13th, 2006 at 2:08 pmTalk about a hypocrite. He blasts the press for ignoring stories in Iraq anf then he fails to mention that he almost died from a missile attack. I wonder if he even told his family?
“It’s not good for the grandkids to hear negative news about Iraq. It might stunt their growth or something.”
http://www.lcoliberal.blogspot.com
April 13th, 2006 at 2:11 pmMike Brown hired by St. Bernard Parish, Lousiana?
Read it at http://www.lcoliberal.blogspot.com
#21 – You are correct, this is the most incompetent and corrupt administration ever.
April 13th, 2006 at 2:13 pm#21-Mighty Hermaphrodite,
“The meek shall inherit the earth” – Matthew 5:5
“Thou shall not kill” – 10 Commandments
“Vengeance is mine” – sayeth the lord
“Turn the other cheek” – Jesus of Nazareth
Golly, Hermaphrodite, are you saying that G*d doesn’t know what the f**k he/she is talking about?
April 13th, 2006 at 2:14 pmThe right has changed the definition of Jesus.
to see the new savior click here:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/horsey/viewbydate.asp?id=1113
April 13th, 2006 at 2:20 pmClassical Doublethink:
Ignorance is Strength
April 13th, 2006 at 2:20 pmIt’s a tragedy that the missle didnt hit this fascist.
April 13th, 2006 at 2:28 pmLike #21 would know what it is like to be in the line of fire. You would mess your pants!
April 13th, 2006 at 2:29 pm# 14 MrBlueSky, are you also Above the Clouds?
April 13th, 2006 at 2:30 pm“That’s exactly the point. The story is about the troops. But their real problem is not slanted media reports, it’s the extraordinary dangers they face everyday.”
What an idiotic statement. It’s a war dumbass.
April 13th, 2006 at 2:31 pm#21 You are wrong and hateful. Your sarcasm is really forced and not very clever. And why don’t you tell me — why all the needless puncuation? I cannot figure out why someone would be so inefficient. I hope you own your own company and don’t work for anyone because you waste a lot of precious time.
Can’t help it…management. I despise wasted time and jumbled prose.
April 13th, 2006 at 2:36 pmExcept IRI, our troops would not be facing those dangers if George Bush, and his administration had not pushed a number of verifiable lies to the american public. We could instead be fighting Osama Bin Laden, saved what is it now 200billion dollars? and thousands of american and Iraqi lives.
April 13th, 2006 at 2:36 pm#33 if you believe in this cause then why aren’t you there?
April 13th, 2006 at 2:37 pm#21
You are insane.
Here is an excerpt from the diary of R.W. Burt – a Lt. in the 76th Ohio Infantry during the Civil War.
” One day I was walking leisurely along the summit of the hill in rear of our works when a minie ball struck the ground only a few feet before me, raising the dust and causing me to seek a safer location before a another shot should follow, perhaps more to my discomfort.”
Note Found at Vicksburg National Military Park.
If Rep. Bradley, however, had written the note it probably would have read more like this: ” Went for a walk. Birds were chirping. Nice day. Decided later that I should get some exercise and go for a run.”
As you mention – the Civil War was a tough war. Lt. Burt was honest about what he encountered during his war. Rep. Bradley has chosen to be less than honest about this one.
April 13th, 2006 at 2:38 pm#21-Mighty Hermaphrodite,
“The meek shall inherit the earth†– Matthew 5:5
The meek shall inherit, the pussies and the cowards will be slaughtered like the dogs they are.
~ iRi
“Thou shall not kill†– 10 Commandments
Unless the sonofabitch is trying to kill you or yours then thou shalt cut him to pieces or be slaughtered like a dog.
~ iRi
“Vengeance is mine†– sayeth the lord
But preemptive strikes against your heathen headchopping enemy is cool.
~ iRi
“Turn the other cheek†– Jesus of Nazareth
After that, if he hits you again blow his knee cap off. You only have two cheeks, he only has two chances.
~ iRi
Golly, Hermaphrodite, are you saying that G*d doesn’t know what the f**k he/she is talking about?
Comment by Optimist
Why would a heathen bastard like you be asking about God in the first place? Mind your own business.
April 13th, 2006 at 2:42 pmwhen are we going to here positive results out iran, all of this negative news is no good for our intrests…oh Iraq, my bad, gettting ahead of myself
April 13th, 2006 at 2:43 pmPayson – I EXPECT war to be dirty, bloody, and awful – unfortunately, few are as clean and deliberate as a chess game. But the “progressive drumbeat†is designed to tatter the American will to fight AND win. (Good thing TP wasn’t around during the bloodiest battle of the Civil War, Antietam. With 28,000 casualties – including my great, great grandfather – the “good†folks at TP might not have seen the value of preserving the Union. Who are we to impose our way of life on “themâ€???)
But what else should we expect from a pacifist ideology that somehow evolved without a “fight for survival†gene?? The “flight†portion of your “fight or flight†instinct is doing just fine, I’m happy to report….
Comment by mighty aphrodite
Complete straw man.
IRAQ NEVER ONCE IN ALL ITS HISTORY ATTACKED AMERICA.
IRAN NEVER ONCE IN ALL ITS HISTORY ATTACKED AMERICA.
Saudi Arabia on 911 ATTACKED AMERICA. Lets see Bush decide to go after the people that attacked us on 911 and THEN we will see who supports war.
April 13th, 2006 at 2:43 pmhttp://www.ussliberty.org/
Hell Israel Attacked America and we did NOTHING about it.
April 13th, 2006 at 2:46 pmExcept IRI, our troops would not be facing those dangers if George Bush, and his administration had not pushed a number of verifiable lies to the american public. We could instead be fighting Osama Bin Laden, saved what is it now 200billion dollars? and thousands of american and Iraqi lives.
Comment by Krazny
I knew the absolute truth of why we are in Iraq before any of this WMD bullshit was even discussed and it’s suits me fine. George will go down in history as the President who saved the West from nuclear tipped Islamofascism and who gave America away to the Mexicans. He’s batting .500.
April 13th, 2006 at 2:47 pmPayson – our military has faced great dangers in the past and survived. We will prevail. I know that makes you sad, but America will win this war, in spite of all the cheering for failure from the left.
April 13th, 2006 at 2:47 pmIRAN NEVER ONCE IN ALL ITS HISTORY ATTACKED AMERICA.
Saudi Arabia on 911 ATTACKED AMERICA. Lets see Bush decide to go after the people that attacked us on 911 and THEN we will see who supports war.
Comment by Gerald Gibson
There is no difference between ANY of the Middle Eastern Muslim countries when you step back and look at the entire picture. I know that and THEY know that. Why haven’t you figured it out yet?
April 13th, 2006 at 2:50 pmDeleted by admin.
April 13th, 2006 at 2:52 pmPayson – our military has faced great dangers in the past and survived. We will prevail. I know that makes you sad, but America will win this war, in spite of all the cheering for failure from the left.
Comment by Katrina —
USA! USA! USA IS NUMBER 1!!!
(they hate like a soaked cat when I do that…HA!)
April 13th, 2006 at 2:52 pm44# There is no difference between ANY of the Middle Eastern Muslim countries when you step back and look at the entire picture. I know that and THEY know that. Why haven’t you figured it out yet?
I would not worry what you think of them but what they think of you. and the rest of the world think of america too …your all SHi_T heads
April 13th, 2006 at 2:52 pmhttp://www.ussliberty.org/
Hell Israel Attacked America and we did NOTHING about it.
The right are traitors against America. They would just move to Israel, but they are not done destroying America yet. We know what we got to do with them. It is just a matter of when we will finally do it. Then this will be America again.
Night of long knives.
April 13th, 2006 at 2:54 pmAnd what if the shoulder fired Stinger or Russian missile had hit his plane? Rep. Bradley and 5 other Congressmen would be dead for Bush’s folly in Iraq! Politicians in DC of both parties still do not get it, because now they are letting an attack soon on Iran to occur!
April 13th, 2006 at 2:57 pmDeleted by admin.
April 13th, 2006 at 2:57 pmGoodness Heavens, IRI…… thou art seeming exceedingly foul this day, hast though sinned against the temple of the lord and gotten a particularly nasty burr up yer ass? Thou shouldest be more mindful of thine purchases on-line since the state of thine residence has removed the toys of the flesh from yer neighborhood…..
April 13th, 2006 at 2:57 pmHow the fvck would you know who is religious and who isn’t. Wanting to make people think that the left aren’t religious won’t work here. Better go spin that drivel on a red site.
You will rot in hell for your transgressions against your fellow man.
April 13th, 2006 at 2:58 pmI-R-I: “There is no difference between ANY of the Middle Eastern Muslim countries when you step back and look at the entire picture.” – - Yeah, and they all look alike too. Just like them damn Chinks, Spics, Blacks and Gooks. (Can you smell the thick stench of sarcasm?)
April 13th, 2006 at 2:58 pmI bet he soiled himself
April 13th, 2006 at 2:58 pmDeleted by admin.
April 13th, 2006 at 2:59 pmSpudge_Moron – considering the base of the Democrat party has said they don’t believe in God, it’s fair to assume the left is not that religious. AND their actions of using the Supreme Court for the last 40 years to rip every reference to God from the public sphere tipped most of us off, too.
April 13th, 2006 at 3:02 pmIsrael did not attack America unless you consider every death by friendly fire to be an act of war. If that’s the case Canada, Britan, France, China and a whole lot of others we’ve accidently bombed and shot up should be hopping mad.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I
Click the link dumb ass… everyone from the NSA to the CIA the US NAVY Sailors that were there were very clear this was a sustained attack not a friendly fire accident.
April 13th, 2006 at 3:03 pm#55 – do you really beleive in hell?
April 13th, 2006 at 3:04 pmTROLL ALERT
Katrina is actually NeD
April 13th, 2006 at 3:04 pmDidn’t anyone bother to throw flowers at them and greet them as liberators.
April 13th, 2006 at 3:04 pmI knew the absolute truth of why we are in Iraq before any of this WMD bullshit was even discussed and it’s suits me fine.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — April 13, 2006 @ 2:47 pm
So IRI you supported the war even though you knew Bush was lying? What a patriotic american you are. I know my government is lying, but because I hate all non-whites, and most whites I want them to kill as many as possible.
what a piece of work you are, go take your meds, and have the nurses give you sponge bath.
April 13th, 2006 at 3:06 pmconsidering the base of the Democrat party has said they don’t believe in God,
Comment by Katrina — April 13, 2006 @ 3:02 pm
Pulling your facts out of the air does not make them true. No matter how much you wish they were.
April 13th, 2006 at 3:06 pm#56: “considering the base of the Democrat party has said they don’t believe in God…” – - You really need to stop getting your talking points and information from Rush Limbaugh.
their (Democrats) actions of using the Supreme Court for the last 40 years to rip every reference to God from the public sphere tipped most of us off, too. – - Church + State = Separate. Learn it, know it, live it.
April 13th, 2006 at 3:07 pmSpudge_Moron – considering the base of the Democrat party has said they don’t believe in God, it’s fair to assume the left is not that religious. AND their actions of using the Supreme Court for the last 40 years to rip every reference to God from the public sphere tipped most of us off, too.
Comment by Katrina
You do not have to be “religious” to believe in religion. This is how the founding fathers believed. They KNEW religiousness lead to evil priest and evil government doing evil deeds against the people. They talked about the inquisition alot. They believed RELIGION was needed to keep the unreasonable people (Katrina, I-R-I, MightyA) in a state of virtual calm, but that RELIGIOUS people were at best not likeable and at worst dangerous.
April 13th, 2006 at 3:10 pmIRI you talk much about religion. Yet even you seem to misunderstand the simple fact that written history simply does not go back to mans first thoughts.
As I understand your Judaism the VIS or Adonai or the YWHW is the Gods name. Yet Even the Rabbis cannot Describe what they Call Active Knowledge or “VIS” and thats Exactly why they Call it VIS because WORDS do not exist to explain that ‘Wisdom’ The Qubbalah is nothing more than Shamanistic Knowledge, Yet they call others ‘MOONBATS’ whom call that higher power ‘Z’. This Letter ‘Z’ is not a Spaceman IRI, It Comes from the Bible in John 1:1 AETZI the Moonbats call that Higher Power ‘Z’ Just as The Jewish Might say Adonai. Physicists Call this energy the God Particle, or ‘Z Zero’, a Zero Point energy.
April 13th, 2006 at 3:10 pmOthers call it Ying and Yang…A-Tom Adam Adom Brahman…
It matters not the skin Color or the religion IRI because thought comes from the energy in matter, not the matter itself.
Pride goeth before the fall.
When the first shall be last and the last shall be first.
America is Rome–the phony religious whackos who are following Bush–the false messiah–are Philisitnes and will bring ruin to this nation.
Karl Rove is the anti-Christ.
Look it up religious folks—you are the ones who will fall for the false messiah hook, line and sinker.
Thanks for ruining the country.
-GSD
April 13th, 2006 at 3:11 pm“Thou shall not kill†– 10 Commandments – Optimist
****the correct translation is “Thou shalt not MURDER..” I don’t think God appreciates you mis-quoting His Covenant with HIS Chosen People….Must be from those New Age “Liberation Theology” “Bibles”…..
Gerald Gibson – Israel attacked us???? Saudi Arabia attacked us?? Does the fact that Tim McVeigh blew up the Murrough Federal Building in OK City mean we were attcked by Ireland???? WAIT – he was an American of Irish descent – so there must have been an IRA/KKK conspiracy…. hmmmm…. Please don’t pretend to know what you’re talking about – conservatives are just LOL.
April 13th, 2006 at 3:11 pmMA wrote: “Please don’t pretend to know what you’re talking about – conservatives are just LOL”
LOL = “Loud Or Lying”
So, you’re saying that “conservatives are just Loud Or Lying”?
I agree with you!
April 13th, 2006 at 3:14 pmconsidering the base of the Democrat party has said they don’t believe in God,
Comment by Katrina — April 13, 2006 @ 3:02 pm
That is a False statement, Jesus turned over the tables of the money changers, he did not embrace and coddle them as todays evangelicals have ratiionalized. once again a christian nor a jew nor a muslim can explain to me that higher power. Can you?
April 13th, 2006 at 3:15 pm#60 – Krazny – Why, when Bush and the rest of the Western World agrees and posits the WMD theory is he a LIAR – while the rest (some from your camp) are just “misinformed”?
April 13th, 2006 at 3:16 pmPlease don’t pretend to know what you’re talking about – conservatives are just LOL.
Comment by mighty aphrodite
The ISREAL AIRFORCE (IDF) ATTACKED AND TRIED TO SINK A US NAVY SHIP… READ IT AND WEEP (You can read cant you?)
http://www.ussliberty.org/
Osama = Saudi
15 911 hijackers = Saudis
People that funded 911 = Saudis
Hmmmm …MightyA = a Saudi terrorist supporter… My opinion is you need to spend a couple years in Guantanamo
April 13th, 2006 at 3:16 pmI ask anyone here, atheist or otherwise to explain to me just what exactly the word ‘God’ instills in your mind? A huge man 80 miles tall? a single Atom? A spark of Light? The First breath? Energy? Time? Wisdom?
April 13th, 2006 at 3:18 pm#66. You’re a moron. The Bible wasn’t even written down for hundreds of years. It was translated into English. Thomas Aquinas himself said it should not be read literally. Again, we can see that conservatives put their politics ahead of their faith.
April 13th, 2006 at 3:18 pmDemSoldier – Hysterically laughing out loud at you and your bellicose friends…
April 13th, 2006 at 3:18 pmMcVeigh is proof that the religious right wing whackos hate America. Most of the right wing nuts on this site would blow up federal buildings full of children just like McVeigh.
Child killing, rightwing hate mongers.
-GSD
April 13th, 2006 at 3:19 pmI ask anyone here, atheist or otherwise to explain to me just what exactly the word ‘God’ instills in your mind? A huge man 80 miles tall? a single Atom? A spark of Light? The First breath? Energy? Time? Wisdom?
Comment by Uncle Togarma
The Matrix of coarse. I have proof. Its called Intelligent Design.
April 13th, 2006 at 3:19 pm#68 – Jesus would probably not be a fan of partially delivering a baby before sucking its brains out and ripping its skull in half, but hey it’s a woman’s right!
The left should NEVER talk religion. They know NOTHING about it except how to attack it.
April 13th, 2006 at 3:19 pmour military has faced great dangers in the past and survived. We will prevail. I know that makes you sad, but America will win this war, in spite of all the cheering for failure from the left.
Comment by Katrina — April 13, 2006 @ 2:47 pm
for a country as young as ours on the world stage – that is a mighty big statement.
HISTORY – not all of it was written by the winners.
April 13th, 2006 at 3:19 pmSo, 40 years would make it 1966. That means that the left started to get rid of the God referrences that had been put into place only 10 years before that, when the right decided to add God to everything.
“In God We Trust” added to currency in 1954.
US Treasury Fact Sheet
“One Nation Under God” added to Pledge of Allegiance in 1957.
CNN
June 27, 2002
Lawmakers blast Pledge ruling
Get your facts straight. Mine are.
April 13th, 2006 at 3:20 pm““Thou shall not kill†– 10 Commandments – Optimist
****the correct translation is “Thou shalt not MURDER..†I don’t think God appreciates you mis-quoting His Covenant with HIS Chosen People….Must be from those New Age “Liberation Theology†“Biblesâ€â€¦.. Mighty Aphrodite”
Wow, you’re STUPID. From the KING JAMES BIBLE
Exod 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
Who’s into NEW AGE – that would be you big but helga. You’re into the NEW AGE EVANGELISM which has rewritten the christian bible into a book of hatred and evil. You’re a FOOL AND A RELIGIOUS HYPOCRITE!
You’re as OPPOSITE of a Christian message as there is, and you’re a DISGRACE to both Judaism and Christianity. You’re a CURSE on humanity!
April 13th, 2006 at 3:20 pmThe left should NEVER talk religion. They know NOTHING about it except how to attack it.
Comment by Katrina
The millions of women burned at the stake took away your claim to Jesus…. go crawl back into your dark dark hole.
April 13th, 2006 at 3:21 pmKatrina,
So, Katrina. Remind us all of when and where you served in the military.
April 13th, 2006 at 3:21 pmand deary, Katrina – when exactly did you “find” religion? Excuse me, but I come from a very PROGRESSIVE AND CHRISTIAN family so F*ck off!
April 13th, 2006 at 3:21 pm“#60 – Krazny – Why, when Bush and the rest of the Western World agrees and posits the WMD theory is he a LIAR – while the rest (some from your camp) are just “misinformedâ€? Comment by mighty aphrodite ”
Fabricated and FIXING intelligence goes a long way to convincing the ‘western world’. And MUCH of it, including the French and German governments disagreed with this un-intelligence from your brownshirts. The Reichwing media spread themselves like a cheap HO (something you’re obviously familiar with) and spewed these lies daily. Many believed them – but all that shows is how desperate Reichwingers were for oil that they’d so viciously lie and attack others.
You’re a putrid bag of crap you lying fool.
April 13th, 2006 at 3:23 pmNone of these morons are really Christians. They try to use religion as a tools to control people, while going against EVERYTHING Jesus stood for. ANd it is why they are losing their base. The retards here are the lunatic fringe, not the real republicans. They are Neo-Con puppets.
April 13th, 2006 at 3:23 pm#81 – I am allowed to have an opinion on religion without serving in the war. Now, answer my question, would Jesus Christ support partial-birth abortion if he were alive today? The answer is clearly NO.
April 13th, 2006 at 3:24 pmkatrina – another thing – I pray to Jesus every day to protect me from followers like you.
April 13th, 2006 at 3:24 pm#68 – Jesus would probably not be a fan of partially delivering a baby before sucking its brains out and ripping its skull in half, but hey it’s a woman’s right!
The left should NEVER talk religion. They know NOTHING about it except how to attack it.
Comment by Katrina — April 13, 2006 @ 3:19 pm
Oh But I did not attack it you did, you see 90% of the people in this country consider themselves ‘christian’ and they say this is a christian nation, yet these Christians created these laws that allow that babies demise? First I did not say that I agree with Abortion, thus you have judged me, and that you as a Christian should not do. Rationalize to me, a non-Christian, in your sense, how the Christians created these Laws that you caterwaul continously about, that have nothing whatever to do with me?
April 13th, 2006 at 3:24 pmYou Cant Can you Katrina? =)
now, this said, be angry at yourself and your religion, not me.
Rep. Jeb Bradley, R- N.H., and several other congressmen had a close call during a visit to Iraq this winter.
Word is just coming out that the military plane carrying the group had to dodge a shoulder-fired missile as it flew from Baghdad to Kuwait City in January.
Any bets these are the same missiles Reagan sold Iran back in the eighties? Republican traitors.
April 13th, 2006 at 3:25 pmI ask anyone here, atheist or otherwise to explain to me just what exactly the word ‘God’ instills in your mind? A huge man 80 miles tall? a single Atom? A spark of Light? The First breath? Energy? Time? Wisdom?
Comment by Uncle Togarma — April 13, 2006 @ 3:18 pm
It used to be my Grandfather, and then I gave up religion. I’m an Atheist in context to the idea of an independent, Christ-nazied version of a jealous and angry god who punishes people for being exactly what he made them to be, but Agnostic to the notion that the difference between us and a corpse is that life force that connects the universe. Therefore, my image is the Grand Canyon. Billions and billions of years of evolution, the tranquil voice of Mother Nature, and one of the last places in America where you can still see a hazy arm of the Milky Way at night.
April 13th, 2006 at 3:27 pm“81 – I am allowed to have an opinion on religion without serving in the war. Now, answer my question, would Jesus Christ support partial-birth abortion if he were alive today? The answer is clearly NO. Comment by Katrina ”
It’s not clear at all. The old testament clearly states that abortion is not a CRIME, unless it is forced on a woman, and then it is only a PROPERTY not a MURDER crime.
Jesus had the opportunity to change that law/rule/value, and he didn’t.
The whole abortion MYTH is created by evangelicals looking for a wedge issue, and to CONTROL women’s bodies – PERIOD. It’s the white male fear of losing power that props up this issue.
And can you idiots please stay on topic? This is about IRAQ, not ABORTION!!!!!!!
April 13th, 2006 at 3:28 pmkatrina – another moronic statement – would Jesus Christ support partial-birth abortion if he were alive today?
so you’re saying that even if the baby had no brain or heart – it doesn’t matter to the MOTHER who is carrying it? DO NOT EVER SPEAK FOR ME OR MY GIRLS!
Pro child, pro family, PRO CHOICE
and as deeply personal as it is – NO ONE’S BUSINESS
April 13th, 2006 at 3:28 pmFor it was the Christians that after all created the Abortion laws is it not? 90% of America is Calls themselves Christians. yet these same Christians don’t follow the Bible? Can you Say Hypocrites Katrina? Yes Even Bill Clinton called himself a ‘Baptist’..In Fact Clinton Attends more Church than Bush, not to mention Scalias little “Finger” he gave to people at Church. That what Scalia Did was Blasphemous, yet hes a Conservative?
WOW, What blatant hypocrisy
April 13th, 2006 at 3:29 pmRyan – you are part of the scary fringe element in this country. You project when you spew comments like brownshirts. It is the left in this country that would murder conservatives if they could away with it.
April 13th, 2006 at 3:29 pmDemSoldier – Hysterically laughing out loud at you and your bellicose friends…
Comment by mighty aphrodite — April 13, 2006 @ 3:18 pm
I think you meant hysterically sobbing. And at least he has friends.
April 13th, 2006 at 3:29 pmRE: # 41
and all of the other IRI posts.
If this war suits you just fine – then here you go:
You can show up at this location -
4152 Ft. Campbell Blvd.
All American Center
Hopkinsville, KY 42240
This is a recruiting office for the U.S. Army. It is at Ft. Campbell, Ky. – the home of the 101st Airborne. If you join the 101st and get yourself over to Iraq – you will definitely see some action.
It is also a Special Forces base.
When and if you enlist and prove yourself to be a capable soldier – you can apply to join the Special Forces.
If going to Kentucky is too inconvienent for you right now – then go to:
http://goarmy.com/special_forces/find_a_recruiter.jsp
and simply type in your zip code.
There you go, IRI – you are good to go.
Good Luck.
April 13th, 2006 at 3:31 pmTroll alert, Think Progress is trying to tell the truth, go get’em. Nice work Spudge. We must have hit a nerve….lol
April 13th, 2006 at 3:31 pmIdiot?
April 13th, 2006 at 3:31 pmHmm.
Iraq was Caused by the same Katrina type Idiots, The Tangent can surely be seen? Good vs supposed Evil?
#93 – Katrina is projecting her thoughts onto the people she opposes.
It’s the ultra-radical right-wing-nut fringe that wants to make any disagreement with their positions a thought crime.
It’s the Republicans that came up with the so-called “free speech zone”.
Don’t blame your opponents for the statements of your crowd, sweetie.
April 13th, 2006 at 3:32 pmBush has created a ‘Religious War’, yet we are not supposed to discuss this Religion? Idiots?
I should go before I type what I do not mean.
April 13th, 2006 at 3:33 pmOh But I did not attack it you did, you see 90% of the people in this country consider themselves ‘christian’
Comment by Uncle Togarma — April 13, 2006 @ 3:24 pm
I think it’s actually 80% now. I just saw a study done by religious people, and if they say 80%, I figure it’s a maximum.
April 13th, 2006 at 3:34 pmmadashell – Pro-Woman, Pro-Freedom, Pro-Life.
AND I pray to Jesus to protect my children from women like you who indoctrinate our young girls with pro-abortion propoganda.
April 13th, 2006 at 3:35 pmOne more thing about religion, and I’ll stop. Has any woman ever stopped to think that all three major religions – are patriarchal? Do you suppose that was an evil Eve that gave that apple to adam?
April 13th, 2006 at 3:36 pm#100 – Yes, that was the beginning of the so-called “war on christians”. They went from 90% of the population to 80%, and had to blame it all on SOMEONE!
Heaven forbid they take responsibility for their actions which drove people away from their churches.
April 13th, 2006 at 3:36 pmkatrina – GO STUFF A SOCK IN IT – I DO NOT BUY INTO YOUR RHETORIC OR YOUR DOWNRIGHT IGNORANCE
April 13th, 2006 at 3:37 pmThe whole abortion MYTH is created by evangelicals looking for a wedge issue, and to CONTROL women’s bodies – PERIOD.
Exactly!
And can you idiots please stay on topic? This is about IRAQ, not ABORTION!!!!!!!
Comment by Ryan Neat — April 13, 2006 @ 3:28 pm
No, they can’t. It’s because they have nothing, so out comes the smoke machine and a box of mirrors…
April 13th, 2006 at 3:38 pmalso Katrina – it also appears to me you are a rapturer – so why bother even acknowledging me – you’ll get your chance to see all of us heathens suffer while you rise to heaven. WHAT A JOKE!
April 13th, 2006 at 3:39 pmAll,
Katrina is not a she, but a he.
This is either NeD or wwallace.
Don’t let him derail the thread, he can never stay on topic.
Resist temptation: Ignore the troll.
(Although I have to say his gender identity issues are creepy)
April 13th, 2006 at 3:42 pm#101 – “Then the LORD said to me, “The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries and the delusions of their own minds.”
- Jeremiah 14:13″
Exodus 21:22: “If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart [from her], and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman’s husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges [determine].”
“Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up. Hosea 13:16″
I think you need to read the whole Bible, sweetie, and not just the verses that support your prejudices.
April 13th, 2006 at 3:42 pmIt is the left in this country that would murder conservatives if they could away with it.
Comment by Katrina — April 13, 2006 @ 3:29 pm
I love how you know what other people are thinking. You should change your name to Miss Cleo.
We’re anti-Iraq-war, remember? That makes us against slaughtering people who are different.
You should think before you post.
April 13th, 2006 at 3:43 pmNow, answer my question, would Jesus Christ support partial-birth abortion if he were alive today? The answer is clearly NO.
Comment by Katrina
I agree.
You know what happens with every action?
An equal and opposite REaction.
ACTION:
Right: We add god to all Americas symbols during the 1950s. And put conservative pressure on the rest of America to make it appear to be “Leave it to Beaver” in happy America land.
REACTION:
April 13th, 2006 at 3:46 pmLeft: We want civil rights for all. BLACKS and WOMEN! We want privacy to be gauranteed! We want government answerable to the people!
Has any woman ever stopped to think that all three major religions – are patriarchal? Do you suppose that was an evil Eve that gave that apple to adam?
Comment by madashell — April 13, 2006 @ 3:36 pm
Yep. It’s why I gave up Christianity (the religion I was raised). Because, the reality is that all life begins as female (why men have nipples). The Y-chromosome was an evolution of the X. It was a survival evolution that allowed greater diversity of the species through “cross pollination” which recessed weaker traits. Man came from woman. Not the other way around.
And while I’m on Biology, I’ll remind the Christo-Nazis that you evolved from a single cell (your momma’s egg) to an adult in a matter of 18 years. Why is billiions and billions of them so much less plausible for change?
April 13th, 2006 at 3:48 pmRyan – you are part of the scary fringe element in this country. You project when you spew comments like brownshirts. It is the left in this country that would murder conservatives if they could away with it.
Comment by Katrina
Katrina you got cable?
April 13th, 2006 at 3:51 pmIf not get it.
Watch History channel… and alot of it. If you know the history of Germany you would not say things like that without feeling embaressed.
“Ryan – you are part of the scary fringe element in this country. You project when you spew comments like brownshirts. It is the left in this country that would murder conservatives if they could away with it. Comment by Katrina ”
Oh please, don’t project your secret desires on others, you hate spewing moronic fool. You’re the party supports the death penalty and pre-emptive strikes, and desiring to SUBJEGATE female bodies to be victims of rape, incest and carrying the resulting child. You’re a HATE FILLED FOOL, and a BROWNSHIRT NAZI SCARY FRINGE ELEMENT. I’ve never called for death, destruction or murder – the same can’t be said for you and your LUNATIC SELF!
April 13th, 2006 at 3:54 pm87
you see 90% of the people in this country consider themselves ‘christian’ and they say this is a christian nation
92
90% of America is Calls themselves Christians
Where did you get that figure please, it just seems really high to me?
April 13th, 2006 at 3:55 pmAND I pray to Jesus to protect my children from women like you who indoctrinate our young girls with pro-abortion propoganda.
Comment by Katrina
Lets have a contest Katrina. You indoctrinate with your vile lies. and madeashell can indoctrinate with her opinion and then we let everyone decide for themselves what they believe? Hell that is as American as Apple Pie.
April 13th, 2006 at 3:55 pmJews and Catholics don’t use the King James “Bible” – You Protestants can keep that one for yourselves….
April 13th, 2006 at 3:58 pmHeaven forbid they take responsibility for their actions which drove people away from their churches.
Comment by Democrat Soldier — April 13, 2006 @ 3:36 pm
Isn’t that their newest recruiting theme? Join us and you’re not responsible for anything. Just blame the Devil, or the liberals.
April 13th, 2006 at 3:58 pm#116 – I didn’t know you were a Jewish Catholic!
April 13th, 2006 at 4:01 pmMighty Hermaphrodite,
Murder = To intentionally kill without provocation requiring immediate self defense.
Inserting some appropriate (notes) we are offered prospective
Murder = To intentionally (and premptively) kill without provocation (factual, not implied or based upon falsehoods) requiring immediate self defense.
Either way the effort that you support and the message that you attempt to disseminate are based upon killing or, as you wish it to be called, MURDER.
However, your approach of arguing semantics is really quite petty and does not contribute to the conversation, and only serves to illustrate your desperation. Your effort to spin the discussion through diversion and blatant falsehoods is ironically apprapos to this thread in that it is a steller example of the application of the Representative’s approach of manipulating information and communications so as to control the message.
Of course, civilized and intelligent human beings know such to be “propaganda” and treat it accordingly.
April 13th, 2006 at 4:02 pmWith IRI’s logic we should be attacking the entire Middle East, (besides Isreal), so when do we go into Saudi Arabia IRI?
April 13th, 2006 at 4:22 pmWouldn’t you know it, another fvcking chickenhawk.
BTW: I don’t think Jesus would support partial birth abortions. In fact, he wouldn’t support any. Are you under the impression that I do? Once again, you should get out more. We are not all lefty tree hugging hippies that have had abortions and are anti-military. You need to learn who your enemy is or you will lose.
April 13th, 2006 at 4:23 pmProve to me that the domestic terrorists like McViegh and Rudolf were left wingers.
April 13th, 2006 at 4:25 pmJews and Catholics don’t use the King James “Bibleâ€
Comment by mighty aphrodite — April 13, 2006 @ 3:58 pm
Jews don’t use any Bible, period.
April 13th, 2006 at 4:28 pmMan I thought the subject was Iraq. It must have matured as a nation where people are ready to tear eachother heads off over an issue like abortion so quickly. I am impressed…..oh wait thats still us.
April 13th, 2006 at 4:28 pmWell, it’s been an interesting read, but…
Back on topic (somewhat)…
I want good news from Iraq!
There…just wanted to catch your attention. Please continue reading.
You know, with all the whining from the Bush administration and the rightwingers about the MSM not reporting the good news coming out of Iraq, I figured one outlet that would be the exception would be Fox News…the mouthpiece of the Bush administration. So a few weeks ago I decided to regularly check their web site to see what I could find.
I figured any good news stories would be posted on the main page, near the top, so as to catch the attention of visitors, so I haven’t bothered with digging deeper into other pages. I also figured that with all the bad news being reported, Fox would want to keep stories of good news posted for days at a time.
I decided to do this about 3 weeks ago, but sadly I have not been able to check on it on a more regular basis…I’ve scanned the main page 3 times since beginning this quest for good news. I would have done so more often, but due to illness and a death in the family last week my attention has been elsewhere.
I’m going to ignore the stuff about Iraqi forces “leading a raid on an insurgent stronghold while coalition forces patiently stand by and watch.” I want the really good stories…you know, the ones about new hospitals and schools opening, power being restored to neighborhoods, the opening of new bridges, sales of Iraqi oil starting to pay down the rebuilding effort…things of that nature.
Bottom line…out of the 3 visits I’ve made, I haven’t seen one good news story at all. None. Zip. Zilch. I think I’m going to solicit help with my quest for good news. I think this would make an excellent nightly segment on MSNBC’s Countdown. They could check Fox’s web site on a daily basis and report their findings each evening. I’m going to drop them an e-mail and submit this recommendation.
April 13th, 2006 at 4:31 pmActuall some good news came out of Pakistan today, as a top Al Queda operative was killed.
April 13th, 2006 at 4:36 pm#109 “It is the left in this country that would murder conservatives if they could away with it.
Comment by Katrina — April 13, 2006 @ 3:29 pm”
Really? Who? Where?
That is just plain horseshit. Unlike the neocon “intellectual” community (an oxymoron if I’ve ever heard one), people here don’t just believe bullshit, no matter how forcefully or assuredly you say it. Neocons are remarkable in that they lie to themselves and to each other, and KNOW they’re lying to themselves and each other, but that doesn’t fly here.
I defy you to give me a quote from a Democrat that has any standing that calls for murdering conservatives. And don’t say Ben Affleck saying someone who commits treason should be hanged, since I assume law-and-order conservatives believe the same thing, right?
But finding quotes from conservatives calling for murder or liberals, for example, are easy to find — in fact, they are an essential part of Regnery-published trash by well-known Republican authors.
So put up or shut up. Dance, monkey, dance.
April 13th, 2006 at 4:44 pm#127 They seem to think we are somewhat like them. Oh how painfully wrong they are.
April 13th, 2006 at 4:49 pm#123 Hahahahahaha
April 13th, 2006 at 4:51 pm“Jews and Catholics don’t use the King James “Bibleâ€
Comment by mighty aphrodite — April 13, 2006 @ 3:58 pm
Jews don’t use any Bible, period. Comment by Gregor Samsa ”
Exactly, and Mighty Moron claimed that “Thou Shalt Not Kill” was a NEW AGE bible, I merely corrected her IGNORANCE once again.
Mighty Moron always moves the goal post when he gets one in the ‘nads – figures…
April 13th, 2006 at 4:57 pmActuall some good news came out of Pakistan today, as a top Al Queda operative was killed.
Comment by For Truth
What the hell was he doing in Pakistan?
I thought Iraq was where the war on terror is?
Someone lied to me!
April 13th, 2006 at 5:20 pm#131 Oh shit. Are we at war with Pakistan now? Damn, just when I was gearing up for nuking China. Wait, did we nuke Iran yet?
April 13th, 2006 at 5:25 pmKatrina- Demonstrating the reason some species eat their young.
April 13th, 2006 at 5:44 pmJews use the Torah. Essentially the old testament of the Christian bible.
April 13th, 2006 at 5:50 pmClose, krazny (much closer than the self-proclaimed King James Bible scholar, Ryanne)- The Torah uses the first five books of the Bible.
April 13th, 2006 at 6:52 pmMighty Moron is SUCH A STUPID MORON (S)HE CLAIMS THE KING JAMES BIBLE IS A NEW AGE BOOK!!!!
BAahahaha, For some STUPID MORON who lives in the middle ages, perhaps…
Bahahah, now THAT’S RICH!
And it gets worse:
“The Torah uses the first five books of the Bible. Mighty Moron”
WRONG The bible’s uses ALL of the books from the TORAH, not the other way around. Judaism came first – IDIOT DINGBAT.
And the hebrew word for KILL in Exodus refers to any pre-emptive or pre-meditated attack – just like YOU PROPOSED. He who attacks first KILLS according to Jewish/Christian law. The hebrew word is ratsach if you want to ask your momma what it means. But if you got your brains from her, don’t expect a reliable answer. Reliability isn’t your strong suit – hatred, bigotry, ignorance, stubborn stupidity (much like GW) an an inability to admit that you’re WRONG seem to be the only traits you have to offer.
April 13th, 2006 at 6:59 pmMighty Moron probably doesn’t realize that Prov. 22:13 uses the same word to describe what a lion does to a slothful man. Animals kill humans, they don’t MURDER them. Murder is specific willful and malicious intent, but a Lion is neither – it eats instinctively.
Sorry Mighty Moron – but you’re WRONG YET AGAIN!!!!
I was trained in Christian Scholarship Mighty Moron – you sound like a 2 year old trying to describe particle physics. You’re in WAY over your head STUPID DINGBAT.
April 13th, 2006 at 7:03 pmAnd back to the thread at hand.
Rep. Jeb Bradley is just a Fascist Propaganda HACK that would prefer to lie to the american public to save his own political ass. What a SELFISH, DISHONEST, IMMORAL and HATE FILLED thing to do.
He’s definitely a republican, the lying sack of crap.
April 13th, 2006 at 10:37 pmWhat is really funny (in a sad sort of way) about Rep Bradley’s editorial, is that despite his best efforts to spread the “good news”, the grim reality on the ground in Iraq seeps through his text. He also has no choice but to acknowledge the opposition to the Iraq war and occupation. Here are a few jewels:
(…)the determination of Iraqi police recruits in Ramadi who defied suicide bombers by volunteering to join the police even after an explosion had killed many recruits that same day.
(…)but the military and defense industry have reacted to a very determined and adaptive enemy by making necessary improvements to body armor and vehicles.
High unemployment and infrastructure problems still plague the country.
Americans have the right to question the faulty intelligence regarding weapons of mass destruction, the military planning for post-war Iraq and the use of U.S. forces to overthrow a dictator.
It is not possible to predict exactly when stability in Iraq will occur, but the progress is significant.
Why is Rep Bradley focusing on the bad news? Why does he hate America? Why is he undermining our troops’ morale?
April 13th, 2006 at 11:46 pmRyan, thank you kindly for ridding us of the dead weight. You are good at that.
April 14th, 2006 at 10:07 am