In 2005, Exxon CEO Raked in 190K a Day
In 2005, Exxon CEO Raked in 190K a Day
Average Americans are struggling to keep up with persistently high gas prices, now approaching $3 a gallon. Testifying before Congress last November, Exxon CEO Lee Raymond blamed the problem on “global supply and demand” and assured the public that “we’re all in this together.”
Last year, Raymond made do with “a total compensation package” of just $69.7 million or $190,915 a day, including weekends.
After his haul in 2005, Raymond has decided to retire. It’s seems that, for Raymond, not working is even more lucrative than working:
Exxon is giving Lee Raymond one of the most generous retirement packages in history, nearly $400 million, including pension, stock options and other perks, such as a $1 million consulting deal, two years of home security, personal security, a car and driver, and use of a corporate jet for professional purposes.
Exxon is now facing several “shareholder resolutions this year that criticize the company’s level of executive pay and seek to rein it in.”
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I saved $.18 today at the store,with my advantage card.
April 14th, 2006 at 10:19 amThe gap widens…very sad.
April 14th, 2006 at 10:21 amAn annual salary of $70 million. Did he piss out all of the oil for Exxon?
April 14th, 2006 at 10:24 amThey (that mysterious “they”) are already saying gas prices are going to be the highest ever this summer. Hmm… I wonder why.
April 14th, 2006 at 10:25 amHey all you bible thumper wingers, greed is also a sin. As a matter of fact Jesus was much tougher on the greedy money lenders and the insolent powers that be than he was on the gays.
Republican morals=the best morals money can buy.
-GSD
April 14th, 2006 at 10:28 amIt is theft, but legal theft as long as the shareholders do not band together to rein these folks in. I guess if the owners of the company want to piss away their profits so be it, but I sure would like to see the government tax the hell out of them
April 14th, 2006 at 10:34 amhe makes enough to buy over 73,000 gallons of gas per day
April 14th, 2006 at 10:34 amAw, the poor wittle oil bawwon!
April 14th, 2006 at 10:37 am“he makes enough to buy over 73,000 gallons of gas per day” – - Yeah, but by Memorial Day that number will be all the way down to 72,863. He’ll have to garage the Hummer.
April 14th, 2006 at 10:39 am$23,864 per hour and yet the congress refuses to raise minimum wage. Earning Minimum wage an American would make $10,712 a year before taxes and Social Security.
It is a wonder we don’t have a full blow revolution in this country. This kind of disparity between rich and poor is what brought about the Russian Revolution.
I guess we have successfully dumbed down out education system to produce passive idiots who never examine their situation with anything approaching critical thinking. Ooops! I just described the President!
April 14th, 2006 at 10:49 amIf I were Lee Raymond I’d spend a pittance of my fortune on a good plastic surgeon.
April 14th, 2006 at 10:50 amaren’t these the mofos who still haven’t taken care of that Alaska disaster?
April 14th, 2006 at 10:51 amTalk about unearned income! Just what on Earth did this guy actually do to justify compensating him that much in both cash and prizes? A recent report showed that those that took in over ten million dollars per year have gotten an average of $500,000 from the president’s oh-so-important tax cuts for the wealthiest among us. That half-million dollars is more than my wife and I took home combined in the eleven-plus years we’ve worked at our company. I have absolutely no sympathy for these rich people if their huge unnecessary deficit-busting tax cuts are taken away. It can only do Americans good.
April 14th, 2006 at 10:51 amMy advice is to fill up your SUV at an Exxon station, then park out on driveway and let the motor run all day and night just to show ‘em we won’t be intimidated.
April 14th, 2006 at 10:52 amWhich oil company was it a week ago that was blaming the high price of gas on the ethanol they now have to use?
Yea, right.
Why did this administration strip all funding for research into better batteries for autos/trucks? Because bushco IS the oil & mineral extraction business. They hardly deny it anymore.
April 14th, 2006 at 10:56 amThe ’shareholders’ are likely Calpers etc. They won’t get much out of Exxon because unlike GE Exxon is doing fairly well (he’s not Welsh for sure). The most generous was Welsh though and it’s similar to this.
Ultimately if the shareholders feel that it is in their interest to reject any proxies about this then that’s basically how it is. The only other way to get him to give some of it up would be if politicians started highlighting it…:)
He’s been CEO for awhile though and has been successful. He’s definately not running a company defrauding its investors – whatever you think of what they’re doing to their customers, ie, the public. The 400mil is a bit inflated though because the stock options are only play money until they can be exercised, if ever. Their stock would have to hit the strike price which is dependent on oil staying above 50 probably to sustain an upward trend. I doubt the strike price is much more than 10-20 percent above the current price (multiple strike prices of course).
So if your pension fund/iras/mutual funds/etc are holding Exxon stock support any proxy that rips into his pension. Vote.
April 14th, 2006 at 10:57 amHoly toledo! That’s insane.
April 14th, 2006 at 10:57 amJudd,
As a side note, you need to do a story on Rumsfield’s promotion policies for generals. The latest general alluded to it in a CNN telephone interview. Rumsfield personally selects all generals that will be promoted to 4 star, ie, have to go before Congress. He micromanages the 2 and 3 star promotions as well.
It’s sort of like the Supreme Court. He’s packing the Pentagon with people who either think like him or won’t stand up to him. I don’t think that’s great for security.
April 14th, 2006 at 10:59 am“We’re all in this together.”…
That’s what now-retired Exxon CEO Lee Raymond said last year when testifying before Congress about exploding gas prices. Think Progress, however, begs to differ:Last year, Raymond made due with “a total compensation package” of just $69.7 million or…
April 14th, 2006 at 11:00 amLook at that pic of the Exxon CEO > he is hidiously ugly! What a vile and evil man he has! He gets 400 million to retire for screwing over our entire nation > he deserves prison for what he did! Americans must demand that all the ugly Oil Cartel CEOs get life in prison or publicly hanged! They are gross monsters!
April 14th, 2006 at 11:00 amCorrection: What a vile and evil man he IS! (has is typo >lol.)
April 14th, 2006 at 11:02 am#21 Oh, he probably also has his own vile and evil man. :)
April 14th, 2006 at 11:05 amLOL #22 you are probably right > he would have to pay a female/male hooker a million an hour to do him!
April 14th, 2006 at 11:11 am#11 – If he did that he wouldn’t have the appropriate look for his Vogon poetry readings.
April 14th, 2006 at 11:11 amInsanity. This country is insane.
April 14th, 2006 at 11:12 amThe evil you out out into the universe will come back to haunt you….karma.
I cannot wait to see what Bush gets!
April 14th, 2006 at 11:12 amCapitalism is healthy and good for everyone!
April 14th, 2006 at 11:12 am190,000 a day. Now thats a Corporate Whore if ever there was one. Thats about 63,000 gallons of fuel a day
I wonder if we can get Bill O’Rielly to call Mr. Raymond and lower the price of fuel again.
April 14th, 2006 at 11:14 amBut with his education, personal connections and his business acumen, I think he deserves every penny….NOT.
April 14th, 2006 at 11:14 amHmm – 190K/day – must be really tough to deal with those bills like a mortgage, utilities, etc. It’s sad that people like this make more in an hour than many people make in a year. Of course, this raises the broad rhetorical question – what do these people do with all of that wealth? You can only sleep in one bed, poop in one toilet, etc. No one is “worth” that kind of insane salary – what’s sad is that so many people think they’re worth it and are willing to pay.
April 14th, 2006 at 11:17 amLET’S DO OUR OWN PROTEST AND DO NOT, I REPEAT DO NOT BUY GAS FROM EXXON-MOBILE. GO TO YOUR LITTLE RINKY DINK JOINTS THAT HAVE AS GOOD AS GAS AS THE MAJOR DEALERS AND USUALLY CHEAPER. FOLKS WE CAN HURT THEIR POCKETS IF THIS IS PASSED ON. SO WHAT DO YA THINK.
April 14th, 2006 at 11:19 amSee the fat little piggie gorge and gorge his way to roasting day.
April 14th, 2006 at 11:19 amI’m ready for a revolution. These people don’t deserve their $400 million retirement while the average man works his a$$ off for $24,000 a year. It’s sickening.
April 14th, 2006 at 11:20 amOn second thought if a OIL Cartel CEO swindler like this EXXON guy cannot find a desperate hooker to do them, then they call up Bush Boy to give them a hummer > he does anything for them > lol.
April 14th, 2006 at 11:22 am#24 Ah, yes. Those Vogon poetry readings. Almost like the president’s speeches. Incredibly painful to listen to, if only because of their incomprehensibility. So when will the Administration announce that Earth is being destroyed to make way for a new hyperspace bypass? (Was that what it was? It’s been a while since I read the books and I haven’t seen the movie.) I’ll have my pack of peanuts handy just in case.
April 14th, 2006 at 11:22 amRaymond the EXXON swine looks like he needs dental work badly > or does he just like to eat caviar all day and not brush his teeth > lol.
April 14th, 2006 at 11:28 amYou all are a freakin riot…who says liberals don’t have a sense of humor!!
Actually, I think it is because if we weren’t laughing we would all be crying. I feel overwhelmed by the atrocities this administration has perpetrated to enrich themselves and their friends.
You know what is really sad about this….these rich folk give less as a percentage of income to charity than less fortunate people.
April 14th, 2006 at 11:29 amGoodness, I just hope it’s enough that he’ll be able to feed his children.
/sarcasm
April 14th, 2006 at 11:30 amit’s crap like this that birthed Madam le Guillotine … when the gap between the have-nots and the have-way-the-frick-too-much becomes this wide, that’s when revolutions are born.
April 14th, 2006 at 11:31 amJules to think these Oil Cartel ugly dudes think they are the “Super Race Elite” >lol. Do they even look in mirrors? EXXON Raymond looks like “Jubba the Hut” from the Star Wars Movie!
April 14th, 2006 at 11:33 amRemember, this is one of the most heavily subsidized industries in America. Thats right, our tax dollars are going to subsidize the most profitable industries. What about good old free market economics? Not for the energy industry, they need corporate welfare.
I dare any of the resident trolls to defend this bullshit. Poor people (or average middle class people for that matter) who vote Republican have got to be the stupidest motherfuckers in the world.
April 14th, 2006 at 11:34 amWhat happened to all of the small refineries that were working in the 1980s? Oh, thats right! They were bought out and closed down by the big oil companies because it created an excess of refining capacity. America deserves to have high gas prices considering that the people didn’t care about the continuing consolidation of the oil industry to the point where their is no competition. They have even been subsidized in the last energy bill.
Didn’t these guys lie to congress, but not under oath, that they did not influence or visit Cheney and his energy policy?
April 14th, 2006 at 11:35 am#31 – Buy gas from CITGO, their oil comes from a state owned venezuelan company.
April 14th, 2006 at 11:35 am#35 – Don’t forget your towel. ;)
April 14th, 2006 at 11:38 amOBSCENE
April 14th, 2006 at 11:40 amIf I-Right-I comes on this thread to defend Raymond the fat slug Hut, then he has to be paid big bucks to do it > or it will prove his insanity > lol.
April 14th, 2006 at 11:41 amOh boy! If I wasn’t so fat, lazy and stupid from growing up in America. I’d be out in the streets doing something about this. Woe is me.
April 14th, 2006 at 11:42 am#31 and #43, those boycott tactics don’t work. The different brands trade with one another at the refinery level, they won’t lose a dime. The only immediate answer is to reduce demand. Take public transportation or buy a more fuel efficient vehicle. Long term, demand alternatives to fossil fuel.
April 14th, 2006 at 11:42 am#43 Dang, you beat me to it. :) Oh well, buy Citgo. It’s recommended by a guy that
April 14th, 2006 at 11:42 amBush wants assassinated
#43
that is where i’m going. and the president i gotta give kudos to for not being scared of getting whacked by bushyboy and calling the resident of the u.s. what he is…….A TERRORIST
April 14th, 2006 at 11:42 amRoyalty did not go away after the French Revolution, they merely went into hiding and morphed into the punks ruining our world today.
Our society these days seems to be about how much can be gotten away with, and what tools are necessary (a compliant media, for one,) to keep the masses from banding together to rise up and regain control.
It’s the masses, stupid. Clinton knew how to talk to us while doing the bidding of his masters. That was clever. Now we might have Clinton 2! Just think how awful THAT’S gonna be.
The current administration says we can all go to hell. Not in so many words, but they appear to be laughing at our laws and scorning what little truth escapes their filter.
I remember back in the early 90’s when American Airlines, one of the first to do so, “restructured” the company. They laid of people, eliminated positions, reduced employee reimbursement packages. It seemed a test. Were we all supposed to get upset?
There was lots of talk in the reservations office where I once worked about joining a union, for bargaining power, but the masses in the office were subject to relentless propaganda, and they acted as though anyone who dared bring up the subject deserved to be fired.
The next year, Chairman Crandall and his goons in headquarters made huge year-end bonuses, based on the savings generated from “restructuring”. The only ones who suffered were the people, the masses. They, we, in many cases happily complied with something we should have fought tooth and nail.
Since that time, companies are eliminating pension plans right and left, people are being laid off while their jobs are sent overseas.
And we have a lying administration that seems intent upon ruining the world for the masses, while they, the CEO-kings, make a killing.
The “haves” have, so that others may not. That is the truth. Look at the cost of cars, and look at our roads! Everyone drives an enormous, overpriced vehicle. The rich get a taste and want more, and have standards to live up to.
And the masses paid for it all.
April 14th, 2006 at 11:45 amhe sure would look good on a skewer slowly roasting as we all sat around and drank beer and talked shit.
April 14th, 2006 at 11:46 amOil is at 71 dollars a barrel. There are some two hundred million suckers out there who continue to pay for gas to get to where they want to go.
Don’t blame Lee, he’s got you all fooled.
All you have to do is quit driving everywhere all of the time. If you don’t buy gas, Exxon doesn’t make any money.
Stop being ’socially engineered’ human chattel, American style. It’s stupid. Become a person.
April 14th, 2006 at 11:49 am#52. That’s very funny. Very.
If we could get him on a spit next to Jesse Helms, we might have some tender barbecue.
I like mine southern-style, on a bun with cole slaw and hot sauce.
April 14th, 2006 at 11:49 amDoes it matter where you buy your oil? I imagine that most oil companies, if not all, are making astronomical profits.
April 14th, 2006 at 11:50 amThat just makes me sad.
April 14th, 2006 at 11:51 amIf life were a thing that money could buy,
April 14th, 2006 at 11:52 amthe rich would have it and the poor would die.
Lol Post 52 > Raymond the EXXON swine is very fat, but like a wild pig his body is filled with worms from eating truffles, caviar, filet mignon steaks, and swilling expensive champagne! Cook him, but feed his body to ravenous wolves or a white shark > lol.
April 14th, 2006 at 11:52 am#44 And I just washed it when I did laundry yesterday. Well, while it’s certainly more warm and fluffy than it was before, it’s now had all the nutrients washed out of it. But there are no holes in it, so I can still stay safe with the Ravenous Bug Blatter Beast of Traal (i.e. Rumsfeld) in the room. (I say Rumsfeld because he would answer, “If you’re asking me if I see anybody raising their hands to object, the answer’s No, I don’t!”)
At this point, I think our military would be better served with marvin at the helm. (”You don’t really want me to invade that country, do you? Okay, but there are seven hundred and fifty trillion other things I could be doing in the meantime.”)
Time to get back on topic.
April 14th, 2006 at 11:55 amWhat business is it of yours how much the man makes? Do you own stock in his company? If not STFU. Stockholders are the only ones with any right to question what he makes. All else is cowardly envy and the self-righteous indignation of lazy, stupid losers.
If you’re that unhappy with your lot in life you have two choices; work harder and smarter like an American or riot in the streets and steel what you want like the French losers and ghetto negroes do. If you choose option number two you’ll be shot down by S.W.A.T. and the National Guard.
April 14th, 2006 at 11:55 am“Does it matter where you buy your oil?”
Probably not. This is from Snopes.com:
A boycott of a couple of brands of gasoline won’t result in lower overall prices. Prices at all the non-boycotted outlets would rise due to the temporarily limited supply and increased demand, making the original prices look cheap by comparison. The shunned outlets could then make a killing by offering gasoline at its “normal” (i.e., pre-boycott) price or by selling off their output to the non-boycotted companies, who will need the extra supply to meet demand. The only person who really gets hurt in this proposed scheme is the service station operator, who has almost no control over the price of gasoline.
April 14th, 2006 at 11:56 amWhat will Exxon reduce it to, $150,000? At least all of these jerks are going to crash and burn within 5-10 years when oil runs out. But they’re going to bring everybody down with ‘em.
http://www.lcoliberal.blogspot.com
April 14th, 2006 at 11:56 amI’d rather eat crow and cry crocodile tears for Mr. Raymond.
The fat would burn for days.
April 14th, 2006 at 11:57 amLol Post 52 > Raymond the EXXON swine is very fat, but like a wild pig his body is filled with worms from eating truffles, caviar, filet mignon steaks, and swilling expensive champagne! Cook him, but feed his body to ravenous wolves or a white shark > lol.
Comment by Jay Randal
He’s no bigger than any number of welfare mommas I’ve seen scarfing down the KFC.
April 14th, 2006 at 12:00 pmLol I-Right-I is defending the fat ugly gross swine Raymond the EXXON CEO swindler! How much do you get paid to defend filth like Ray? Or are you just simply insane?
April 14th, 2006 at 12:01 pmEvery once in a while, I like to be reminded of why I’ve always thought it a good idea to round up the conservatives and vaporize them.
April 14th, 2006 at 12:02 pmIRI is a whacko, but his first paragraph in #60 is right on. After all, we, the CONSUMERs, enable the price of gas to be where it is. If the demand for oil was lower, the price would be lower.
April 14th, 2006 at 12:02 pm“The decadent international but individualistic capitalism in the hands of which we found ourselves after the war is not a success. It is not intelligent. It is not beautiful. It is not just. It is not virtuous. And it doesn’t deliver the goods.” (John Maynard Keynes)
April 14th, 2006 at 12:05 pmConsidering there are 24 hours in a day, and everyone must sleep, eat, and hopefully bathe, there’s hardly any rationality in suggesting that someone can work that much harder than someone else to get paid 100,000 times more. It is mathematically impossible.
People like this clearly do not understand that when you take more thna you need, you are taking someone else’s portion of money, space, and food. There’s no other word for it than selfish greed.
April 14th, 2006 at 12:16 pm#67 Mikey,
With all due respect, I disagree. I don’t think he’s “right on” at all. Oil and gasoline have become so intricate a part of our everyday lives that to simply say we should reduce our demand for it is unrealistic. Saying that if the demand for oil was lower, the price would be lower would be like saying if the demand for oxygen was lower, the air would be cleaner. Nice idea, but no longer practical in our day and age. If the greedy, money-hungry oil companies and their investors cared in the least about the humans of the world, they would have seriously heeded the call to reduce oil consumption back in the ’70s when we had the temporary oil embargo. Instead, they took the opportunity to compel the government politicians to keep fossil fuels as the number one (and practically only) source of energy in this country. They could have shifted the focus of their own companies, but they chose to protect and preserve the status quo. Those of us who weren’t millionaires had little choice in the matter.
If you have any need at all for your fellow human beings, you will recognize that Milton Freidman style free-market economics is an extremely inhumane system. It does not have to all be a zero-sum game. There can be a lot more win-win scenarios if the big companies were willing to accept a reasonable profit instead of insisting on trying to collect obscene profits.
April 14th, 2006 at 12:23 pmComment by I-RIGHT-I — April 14, 2006 @ 12:00 pm
I-Right just admitted that he spends time in KFC trolling for welfare mommas. I bet you proposition them for a blow-job for a drumstick exchange.
Typical creepy rightwinger, hates the welfare folks while he sits around ogling them.
Perv deluxe.
-GSD
Also, shop anyone but ExxonMobil.
April 14th, 2006 at 12:25 pmHe’s no bigger than any number of welfare mommas I’ve seen scarfing down the KFC. Comment by I-RIGHT-I
Now RIGHT, better not talk about about people’s mammas or someone might be tempted to bring up yours. Still, your remark in #60 asking us “What business is it of yours how much the man makes?” deserves to be answered.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but to put it in a nutshell, its my business because the government is supposed to protect me from a communistic monopoly of powerful energy companies who have the manipulated the politicians into placing their profit and interests ahead of the welfare of the nation.
For a guy who prides himself on historical facts about the Nazi movement, I assumed you were aware of that.
April 14th, 2006 at 12:27 pmNice retirement package.
Go choke on it.
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April 14th, 2006 at 12:30 pmhttp://griperblade.blogspot.com – grumblings from the heartland
here’s an idea – forward it to everyone you know!
GAS WAR – an idea that WILL work
This was originally sent by a retired Coca Cola
executive It came from one of his engineer buddies
who retired from Halliburton. It’s worth your
consideration.
Join the resistance!!!! I hear we are going to
hit close to $ 4.00 a gallon by next summer and it might
go higher!! Want gasoline prices to come down? We
need to take some intelligent, united action.
Phillip Hollsworth offered this good idea. This makes
MUCH MORE SENSE than the “don’t buy gas on a certain
day” campaign that was going around last April or May!
The oil companies just laughed at that because they
knew we wouldn’t continue to “hurt” ourselves by
refusing to buy gas. It was more of an inconvenience
to us than it was a problem for them. BUT, whoever
thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can
really work. Please read on and join with us!
By now you’re probably thinking gasoline priced at
about $1.50 is super cheap. Me too! It is currently
$2.79 for regular unleaded in my town. Now that the
oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us
to think that the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at
$1.50 – $1.75, we need to take aggressive action to
teach them that BUYERS control the marketplace..not
sellers. With the price of gasoline going up more each
day, we consumers need to take action. The only way we
are going to see the price of gas come down is if we
hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their
gas! And, we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves.
How?
Since we all rely on our cars, we can’t just stop
buying gas. But we CAN have an impact on gas prices if
we all act together to force a price war.
Here’s the idea: For the rest of this year, DON’T
purchase ANY gasoline from the two biggest companies
(which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL. If they are not
selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce their
prices. If they reduce their prices, the other
companies will have to follow suit. But to have an
impact, we need to reach literally millions of Exxon
and Mobil gas buyers. It’s really simple to do! Now,
don’t wimp out on me at this point…keep reading and
I’ll explain how simple it is to reach millions of
people!!
I am sending this note to over 30 people. If each of us
send it to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300) … and
those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 =
3,000)…and so on, by the time the message reaches
the sixth group of people, we will have reached over
THREE MILLION consumers.
If those three million get excited and pass this on to
ten friends each, then 30 million people will have
been contacted! If it goes one level further, you
guessed it….. THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!
Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people.
That’s all!
(If you don’t understand how we can reach 300 million
and all you have to do is send this to 10 people….
Well, let’s face it, you just aren’t a mathematician.
But I am . so trust me on this one.) :-)
How long would all that take? If each of us sends
this e-mail out to ten more people within one day of
receipt, all 300 MILLION people could conceivably be
contacted within the next 8 days!!! I’ll bet you
didn’t think you and I had that much potential, did
you! Acting together we can make a difference.
If this makes sense to you, please pass this message
on. I suggest that we not buy from EXXON/MOBIL UNTIL
THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $1.30 RANGE AND KEEP
THEM DOWN. THIS CAN REALLY WORK.
Lyle Klein, Director, Research Coordinator
Thanks for your support,
“The secret to success is to know something nobody else knows.”
April 14th, 2006 at 12:32 pm#72 Good point, Joe. And when the taxpayers are subsidizing the oil companies to the tune of BILLIONS of dollars a year, it is our business when they decide to pay their CEO almost $70 Million. So, perhaps if people realized that his $70 million came out of your billions, maybe they will understand how much it is their business what the CEO gets. It’s YOUR tax money. Because you know damn well they aren’t spending all those billions we taxpayers (not consumers) gave them to do what they were supposed to do with it. If they did, they would have used it to help reduce the price we consumers pay. Ultimately that is why they are given the money in the first place.
April 14th, 2006 at 12:35 pmand another bit of information
711 stores sell CITGO gas!
April 14th, 2006 at 12:35 pmA must read book by John Bogle “The Battle for the Soul of Capitalism” Two other good books are “Bull” by Maggie Mahar and “The Number : How the Drive for Quarterly Earnings Corrupted Wall Street and Corporate America”.
Although, unlike Bogle, I don’t have the same faith in the individuals or shareholders. They blindly throw their money into stocks, and as long as the stock goes up, they don’t care, or they are so overwhelmed they don’t know where to start. Most of them don’t have a clue what their investment expenses are or annualized return is. This is orgasmic for Wall Street.
Most stock is owned by mutual funds, “intermediaries”, and the fund managers and their corporations feel they have no fiduciary responsibility.
Corporations today are CEO’s piggybanks, taking money away from the shareholders and/or diluting their shares. They don’t run the corporation for the shareholders, but for themselves.
And it doesn’t stop there. With the $190,915/day, this CEO can buy very good lawyers, tax preparers, financial assistance, health care, other insurances, houses, limited hard assets (unlike dollars which are excessively printed), with great ease. And this $190,915/day CEO will receive preferential treatment from all those places. He’ll get higher rates (i.e., interest rates) for his investments, lower fees, and offered lower borrowing rates (i.e., loans, mortgages). So much for the melting pot analogy. The $190,915/day CEO he’ll be able to buy security services, live in a gated community, send his kinds to the best schools and anything else the kids may want, and basically isolate himself from the common people and their problems.
We are all shareholders whether through defined benefit or defined contribution retirement plans, IRA, ROTH or one of the other 20+ options are Representatives have created over the years. And no matter whether you use individual stocks, mutual funds, or indexes in those plans.
And just think, this is our new American retirement plan.
This impacts our Universities too. Universities are saying they need good people, and they compete with corporations for people. So now Chancellors at Universities and other University administration are receiving very large compensation packages.
April 14th, 2006 at 12:44 pmI wonder are these guys exporting refined gasoline like they did during the last shortage? NOW on PBS had an excellent show on how this happened and how our gas prices were hitting $3.00 a gallon at the same time these CEO were claiming they were running at capacity and putting as much as possible into the market.
April 14th, 2006 at 12:44 pm#78 Was that NOW show on this week or was it just recently from a few weeks ago?
April 14th, 2006 at 12:49 pm#74
i recieved that same e-mail so it shows it is circulating
April 14th, 2006 at 12:51 pm#5 “Hey all you bible thumper wingers, greed is also a sin.” – GSD
****Hey all you Bible-trashing moonbats, envy is also a sin.
April 14th, 2006 at 12:52 pmIt’s only a sin if you follow a religion which says it is.
April 14th, 2006 at 12:56 pmo’shoot, iri, he is nuttier than crack house rat. i think i saw a few reichwingers sucking off of a 15 watt bulb. that might explain some of the incompetance.
April 14th, 2006 at 1:03 pmThat amount of pay is crazy..I’m sad for our country. the good jobs are all gone the price of every thing is going up and up. It’s the old “the rich get richer and the poor get screwed”. We are all just working to pay the rent,talk on the phone, watch TV and drive like hell.If this keeps up a lot of us will be living in shacks and eating from the garbage dump,while the rich live in some gated homes with the army and police protecting them….,.or may be we will just nuke some other poor county and steal their oil….
April 14th, 2006 at 1:05 pm#70 (Wayne), “Those of us who weren’t millionaires had little choice in the matter.”
We have a right to vote don’t we?
“Nice idea, but no longer practical in our day and age. If the greedy, money-hungry oil companies and their investors cared in the least about the humans of the world, they would have seriously heeded the call to reduce oil consumption back in the ’70s when we had the temporary oil embargo.”
I never said they cared or what they do is the “right” thing. That said, if people are dumb enough to keep paying, then why should I bitch about the CEO when he makes obscene money. The people are enabling this to happen. I can assure you that there is no way the oil company will try to reduce consumption, that doesn’t make business sense. You’re not going to change capitalism. Consumers need to demand alternatives. Do it at the ballot box and write your representatives. And stop buying 400hp daily drivers, and 10mpg SUV’s. Why not a hybrid? Why not public transportation? We can’t do that you say? It’s not that simple? Well, we’re screwed then so we should give up. I think not.
Last year I looked around the hills in my neighborhood and noticed all the new houses going up. Lots of consumers I thought. Where I live, we typically get 300 days a year of sun, mostly full sun. Why doesn’t the State require a percentage of all new houses to be solar power equipped?, I thought to myself. Well, I wrote my representative and asked the same question. Yesterday, the governator introduced his solar initiative which, on the surface, addresses exactly what I wanted. So, I’d like to think that some people in government still listen to the people and hear our complaining.
April 14th, 2006 at 1:05 pm#74, variations of that “idea” have been around on the internet for years. Check it out on snopes.com – it won’t work. What would work though is for everyone to take public transportation or carpool to work one day a week instead of driving alone. Try it.
April 14th, 2006 at 1:12 pm****Hey all you Bible-trashing moonbats, envy is also a sin.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — April 14, 2006 @ 12:52 pm
Coming from the ‘goddess’ who slept with her brother. Guess you didn’t do that research before you selected your screen name, eh Madga?
April 14th, 2006 at 1:14 pm#59 – I love you, Wayne. *sigh*
April 14th, 2006 at 1:18 pm#88 Thank you. The feeling is mutual. (It’s okay, Jane understands what I mean.) I was very saddened at his passing because I thought we lost yet another wonderful perspective on Life, The Universe, and Everything. Whenever I go into my boss and say, “I have a question”, he often immediately responds, “42.” Once I think it turned out to be the actual answer, but neither of us knew that at the time.
So, let’s all get together for lunch at Milliways. See you on the other side of time.
April 14th, 2006 at 1:27 pm“It’s only a sin if you follow a religion which says it is.” – Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
April 14th, 2006 at 1:35 pm******You’re absolutely RIGHT, Wayne. ** Note to atheists and “atheists-lite” (agnostics) – do whatever you want, whenever you want – unless it’s codified in law. ** But as one of my brother-in-laws noted, to hedge his “bet”, he is of the Rene Descartes mindset. To be frank, I admire the COURAGE of people SO certain that this is all there is….I would wish you and Jane a Happy Easter, but as I don’t wish to offend you – I’ll simply wish you two a “nice weekend”.
#79 What is this asking questions all about? I had to go and look up my source. It was a lot of work…………. but well worth it.
Here is an excerpt from the NOW transcript: ( http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/transcriptNOW145_full.html )
It is an outstanding and stunning show on the practices of these oil tycoon crooks.
April 14th, 2006 at 1:38 pmJust putting this out there — Don’t you agree that one’s net worth is the new penis size? What is it with these people? What can you possibly do with all that money?
http://www.haloscan.com/comments.php?user=atrios&comment=112796178986703636#6609272
April 14th, 2006 at 1:39 pm“#5 “Hey all you bible thumper wingers, greed is also a sin.†– GSD
****Hey all you Bible-trashing moonbats, envy is also a sin.
Comment by mighty aphrodite ”
So is wealth, but the difference is that according to the CHRISTIAN bible, wealth a lack of charity will prevent you from going to heaven, but envy won’t.
I sure am glad you’ve chosen your own path, but from a KARMA standpoint, if Christianity is the correct religion – then your KARMA will give you exactly what you deserve – HEHEHE
April 14th, 2006 at 1:41 pmZookeeper, you and Wayne go ahead and have fun!
April 14th, 2006 at 1:41 pmCEOs and the government are in the process of making it impossible for shareholders to rein in their excesses.
April 14th, 2006 at 1:42 pm
Just putting this out there — Don’t you agree that one’s net worth is the new penis size?
That’s hysterical! And pretty much true.
What is it with these people? What can you possibly do with all that money?
Comment by Joe Bua — April 14, 2006 @ 1:39 pm
I asked this question already and the answer was $5,000 hookers, $6,000 shower curtains, millions on mansions, lear jets and sports teams. You know, the essentials in life.
Greedy, greedy pigs.
April 14th, 2006 at 1:42 pmLol I-Right-I is defending the fat ugly gross swine Raymond the EXXON CEO swindler! How much do you get paid to defend filth like Ray? Or are you just simply insane?
Comment by Jay Randal
The problem: He’s an educated highly sought after manager of international business, you’re a burger flipper who thinks you should have what he has.
Solution: Improve yourself. If you do that you’ll improve your life and won’t have time to produce all this left wing loser dreck for the consumption of the walking dead.
Freebee: Life isn’t fair. If it were you’d be the half naked savage in Africa trying to scratch enough to eat out of drought parched earth and he’d be you with all the advantages of being born in the greatest country on earth making every minute count. Laugh that one off numbnuts.
April 14th, 2006 at 1:44 pmSo is wealth, but the difference is that according to the CHRISTIAN bible, wealth a lack of charity will prevent you from going to heaven, but envy won’t.
Comment by Ryan Neat — April 14, 2006 @ 1:41 pm
Isn’t it funny that we’re more Christian than she is? They really should consider who they allow to call themselves a Christian. It’s bringing down their ratings as a religion overall.
April 14th, 2006 at 1:45 pmHey, Aphrodite, how’s everything? Didn’t the bible also say (and correct me if I’m wrong, since I’m SOOO lapsed Catholic) that it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into heaven?
April 14th, 2006 at 1:45 pm“Coming from the ‘goddess’ who slept with her brother. Guess you didn’t do that research before you selected your screen name, eh Madga?”
April 14th, 2006 at 1:47 pmComment by unbelievable
***** Go back to ignoring me – Your phony concern for victims of child molestation and incest is nauseating and is belied by your “clever comment”……
“***** Go back to ignoring me – Your phony concern for victims of child molestation and incest is nauseating and is belied by your “clever commentâ€â€¦â€¦
Comment by mighty aphrodite ”
Go back to ignoring our threads. Your glib comments ignoring the stupidity and hypocrisy of a supposed Christian picking an IMMORAL goddess as your name is nauseating and patethic – just like you are.
And how’s that HEBREW lessong coming that I gave yesterday. Did you finally learn that your comment was an immoral puss bucket, just like you are?
And how’s that lesson on sociopaths coming, because you answer all the questions with a big fat yes. Get some help SICKO!
April 14th, 2006 at 1:51 pm***** Go back to ignoring me – Your phony concern for victims of child molestation and incest is nauseating and is belied by your “clever commentâ€â€¦â€¦
Comment by mighty aphrodite — April 14, 2006 @ 1:47 pm
Ah-ha! I’ve struck another chord! That would be me 120,000 and you 0.
Choosing to sleep with your sibling is not the same as child molestation. Don’t try to spin it Madga O’Reilly. You can’t keep pace with me, so don’t try.
April 14th, 2006 at 1:53 pmI didn’t think that the devil would be so fat. I pictured him as being more of a tall lanky guy with a British accent.
April 14th, 2006 at 1:53 pm“Choosing to sleep with your sibling is not the same as child molestation. Don’t try to spin it Madga O’Reilly. You can’t keep pace with me, so don’t try.
Comment by unbelievable”
Unless your sister, and your mother is also your Aunt as is the case with Mighty Moron :)
April 14th, 2006 at 1:54 pm#94 – I love you, too, Jane. *smile*
So, let’s all get together for lunch at Milliways. See you on the other side of time.
I’m SO there.
April 14th, 2006 at 1:55 pmAphrodite, thanks for the Easter wishes. We’re not doing Easter this year, none of the holidays are the same without my parents around. But you have a good combo holiday (do you celebrate both?) anyway!
April 14th, 2006 at 1:55 pmHi Jane – - You’re right Jesus did say that. I wonder if he was speaking literally or figuratively, since He was given to speaking in parables. (I don’t think I’ve felt like a mustard seed since I was a zygote – ha!) Hope you two have a great weekend!!
April 14th, 2006 at 1:55 pm“Hi Jane – - You’re right Jesus did say that. I wonder if he was speaking literally or figuratively, since He was given to speaking in parables. (I don’t think I’ve felt like a mustard seed since I was a zygote – ha!) Hope you two have a great weekend!! Comment by mighty aphrodite ”
The entire statement is a parable you retarded GOON. Wow, you are so stupid your mom has to be your aunt.
April 14th, 2006 at 1:59 pm#90 M-A,
May the holidays and religious holy days bring you and yours the joy they were meant to bring. And because, like Christmas, Easter has a secular side to it, I won’t take offense.
Not to spoil the “good moment” we seem to be sharing, but I feel I should point out that one does not have to have religion to be moral. I have heard some claim the opposite but I disagree. I believe one must have a conscience to be moral, and I do believe I do. I don’t need laws or Gods to tell me what the right thing to do is. Like most major religions, my main tenet is to treat other people the way I would like them to treat me. I wouldn’t want anyone to kill or harm me, so I don’t do that either. And if I am unable to leave up to my ideals (and who among us does) and if we’re not talking about an actual crime, then I have my conscience to keep me honest. I don’t like being dishonest, but when I am, I am bothered by it. A lot. Sometimes to the point of having to go make up for my transgression in some way. For the most part, this works for me and most atheists. But it doesn’t work if you don’t have a conscience, like many members of the Bush family.
April 14th, 2006 at 2:00 pm“I wonder if he was speaking literally or figuratively”
Why don’t you tell us. Isn’t that how it works? You interpret the bible whichever way supports your beliefs.
April 14th, 2006 at 2:01 pmUnless your sister, and your mother is also your Aunt as is the case with Mighty Moron :)
Comment by Ryan Neat — April 14, 2006 @ 1:54 pm
Would explain the retardation.
April 14th, 2006 at 2:02 pmWayne,
Mighty Moron is just project his own lack of self control. Without ‘laws’ from his country and/or religion, he’d be a murdering thief (actually he probably is anyway). It’s a foreign concept for a whacko like that to have their own moral compass. It’s why he’s always looking for the loophole around ‘killing’, including his support for the death penalty despite PROOF that it many time kills the innocent.
I corrected him on his bible scholarship yesterday, but he’s too much of a psycho and a coward to admit he was wrong and acting immorally.
And that’s exactly what I mean about him not having a conscience, or a moral compass. He’s nothing more that an evil psycho looking for an excuse and justification to feel good about his ‘values’. He’s a FREAK.
April 14th, 2006 at 2:04 pmYou gotta love the people who invariably want to give this issue a left vs right slant when, in fact, conservative publications have been ringing the alarm of discomfort for years at what they call “runaway executive compensation”, and say it’s a matter of ethics. Even respected economists say an economy that doesn’t distribute its gains is “poorly performing”:
First a firestorm erupted that threatened to lump Welch and GE into the same class of corporate malefactors as Enron, WorldCom, Tyco, and other scandal-ridden companies. Next came Welch’s defense of his perks as perfectly legal and well-deserved — along with an offer to nonetheless reimburse his former company for use of a corporate jet and New York City apartment, a Mercedes, golf club memberships, and theater and sports tickets, among other things.
Even in Retreat, Jack Welch Leads
“I don’t know if CEOs are any smarter or more ethical than the rest of us,” says Michael Hoffman, executive director of the Bentley College Center for Business Ethics in Waltham, Mass. “But I do know that they’re being paid a lot to be smarter and to be better leaders, and I don’t see that happening.”
If Only CEO Meant Chief Ethical Officer
American workers have rarely taken home a smaller share of the nation’s prosperity, a condition that is undermining bipartisan support for free trade and creating friction between President George W. Bush’s administration and the Federal Reserve.
After 16 consecutive quarters of economic growth, pay is rising at a slower rate than in any similar expansion since the end of World War II. Companies are paying less of their cash gains in the form of wages and salaries than at any time since the Great Depression, according to government figures.
Bush’s Expansion Leaves Workers Behind, Sparking Fed Friction
A 2003 study of 1990s mobility by two economists at the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston found that the chances that poor Americans would stay stuck in their strata had increased vs. the 1970s. Given the economy’s strong showing in the ’90s, that’s a concern. “If current trends persist, a greater and greater share of wealth will keep going into the hands of the few, which will destroy initiative,” worries James D. Sinegal, CEO of Costco Wholesale Corp., which offers above-average pay and benefits in the retail sector. “We’ll no longer have a motivated working class.”
April 14th, 2006 at 2:06 pmWorking…And Poor
Jane
Hey, Aphrodite, how’s everything? Didn’t the bible also say (and correct me if I’m wrong, since I’m SOOO lapsed Catholic) that it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into heaven?
Two things about this passage
1) Jesus and all the Jews spoke Aramaic … the word “gamla” meant either a camel or a large rope. Just as we have words which are spelled the same, but have different meanings. Some of the earlier translators or copyist may have taken the wrong meaning here, for no one would ever talk about a camel going through a needle’s eye. But every Jewish house had several large ropes, that were used to tie bundles on the backs of men and animals.
2) It has been common teaching that there is a gate in Jerusalem called the “eye of the needle” through which a camel could not pass unless it stooped and first had all its baggage first removed. After dark, when the main gates were shut, travelers or merchants would have to use this smaller gate, through which the camel could only enter unencumbered and crawling on its knees. This story seems nice but is, unfortunately, unprooved.
I think the key refers to the presumed self-sufficiency of those who are rich … Jesus was remarking that the rich may not see the need for God (and some astutely point out that he wasn’t only talking about the financially wealthy). My two cents ….
April 14th, 2006 at 2:12 pmJane – Yes, we ALWAYS celebrate both holidays. I can empathize with you about your parents – my mom’s birthday is Monday and she loved the holidays. Your weather in the NE sounds wonderful, maybe you and Wayne can do something fun and different. Our Passover seder includes one of my uncles, an 80+ year old rabbi, and LOTS of family. (I think everyone is afraid “this” is his last Passover, but he keeps on going! Ha!)
But this year Easter will be a bit harder – five years ago this Easter Sunday, one of my children passed away. We are taking our kids to the San Diego Zoo Sunday – it was her favourite place. I am looking forward and we shall CELEBRATE her life.
April 14th, 2006 at 2:12 pm“[O]ne does not have to have religion to be moral.”
Although morality, like religion, is a human construct.
And interestingly enough these constructs are often most vigorously stressed by those who, like Lee “Chins” Raymond, seem least inclined to embody them. GWB, for example, does not live religion – he simply uses it, like the (I’m sure unconscious) Machiavellian he is.
April 14th, 2006 at 2:12 pm#109 – “….my main tenet is to treat other people the way I would like them to treat me. I wouldn’t want anyone to kill or harm me, so I don’t do that either.”" – Comment by Jane
April 14th, 2006 at 2:22 pm***** You are absolutely correct – if people treated each other as they themselves wished to be treated, we would have very FEW problems.
#85 Mikey (I didn’t forget about you, I just needed to compose my thoughts on this),
In theory we do have a right to vote, but that is of little comfort. I mean, you don’t actually have a right to vote for the president and vice president. You only get to choose electors who are not bound by the popular vote. When they finally amend the Constitution to eliminate the electoral college and determine the president by straight popular vote, more people will actually turn up to vote. I’ve heard the explanation about how the electoral college is like a World Series, but unless your candidate actually won the final electoral count, then your vote really didn’t mean anything.
But I do take exception to the idea that we are “dumb” because we pay the high prices they charge. Where I live, there were only four gas stations that weren’t out of the way to my office, to and from which I do most of my driving. One of them closed down last year. Considering that it was located at the end of an exit ramp off a well-used interstate highway, it had to be due to incompetence. Of the other three, only one is open 24 hours a day. I could drive around to try to find a Citgo or some other cheaper place, but this is the “country” part of New York State, and I could easily add 15-20 miles to my trip jusy to look for cheaper gas. Unless the gas I find is cheap enough to offset the use of 1/12th of my gas’s tank (I have a Ford Taurus – The Tauri vehicle – that my deceased father-in-law gave us, and it only gets about 20 MPG) it is not economically feasible for me to look for cheaper gas. Others may have that option, but not us. And there is not enough public transportation in this area, so I am stuck paying what they charge.
By the way, this is how the debate should be framed. In fact, this is how the health care debate should be framed as far as money is concerned. The question shouldn’t be “Why do these things cost so much?” The question should be, “Why do they charge us so much?” Once we get the right perspective on the problem, the solution will come sooner.
But I do want to seriously applaud you for taking action and, it seems for now, getting results. I hope that works out for the people of your state. And as long as there is somebody influential enough in poilitics to convince your governor that there’s good money to be made doing this, it should sail through. But if nobody can figure out how to make money off an idea, sadly the idea often dies out, no matter how good it was.
April 14th, 2006 at 2:22 pmSorry Jane – I meant Wayne….
April 14th, 2006 at 2:24 pm“Some of the earlier translators or copyist may have taken the wrong meaning here, for no one would ever talk about a camel going through a needle’s eye. Giacomo”
Why is it you Christians are ALWAYS so ignorant of your own religion.
The eye of the needle refers to the small entrance of walled cities that a camel can only crall through entirely on its belly and with a great deal of pushing and struggle.
This ‘parable’ refers to the fact that unless wealthy people are prostrate, and struggle they have little chance of reaching heaven.
In otherwords arrogant aholes like mighty moron who hates poor people surely is doomed.
April 14th, 2006 at 2:25 pm#110 – “Why don’t you tell us. Isn’t that how it works? You interpret the bible whichever way supports your beliefs. – Comment by Mikey
April 14th, 2006 at 2:26 pm****Mikey, you won’t learn anything if we tell you all the answers….
“But this year Easter will be a bit harder – five years ago this Easter Sunday, one of my children passed away. We are taking our kids to the San Diego Zoo Sunday – it was her favourite place. I am looking forward and we shall CELEBRATE her life.
Comment by mighty aphrodite ”
Wait a second, we’re to believe you had 5 children (not 4) in 15 years, as well as 12 years of military service, 3 years of college 4 years of law school, the bar, and multiple years in private practice?
Sorry butthead, but the more you talk, the less your ‘bio’ makes sense.
April 14th, 2006 at 2:27 pm#117 Actually that was me, not Jane. We really are two different people.
Two things, M-A,
Just out of curiosity, and building on the mutual areement we seem to share, do you think we would like it if some other country decided to invade ours and forcibly remove our leader from power? (I’m talking generally here, not this particular president, whose removal from power I know would please many of us).
And second, I hope you all enjoy your day at the zoo. I’ve never had the good fortune to visit that particular one, and I think the idea of celebrating your child’s life is a wonderful one. I think that the loved ones we’ve all lost would really enjoy a celebration of life over a somber memorial over what we lost. Laugh and be merry for what you’ve been given, not sad at what you’ve lost. That’s the way to go through life. And I am truly sorry that you’ve had to endure one of the worst things a parent could. You’re doing the right thing to appreciate what your daughter gave to you. So go see her favorite animals and tall stories about the fun you’ve had.
And, as usual, peace on Earth to all.
April 14th, 2006 at 2:34 pmThat’s okay, Aphrodite, Wayne and I both try to live the same ethical way. 99% of the time we agree on what is right and fair.
I wish I could come out to the San Diego Zoo with you, I love that place. Hope your celebration goes well.
I’m cutting out for now–everyone have a good holiday/weekend/whatever!
April 14th, 2006 at 2:36 pm#114 – Thank you, Giacomo!! I enjoyed your post – sure beats the h*ll out of some “psuedo-scholars” of the Bible….
April 14th, 2006 at 2:37 pm“****Mikey, you won’t learn anything if we tell you all the answers….
Comment by mighty aphrodite ”
I’m glad you used the word “we”, becuase like most BAD STUDENTS, we both know you don’t know the answers.
You are the WORST CHRISTIAN behind MizzWrong who comes to post here. You’re such a hate filled hypocrite.
How does it feel to have to learn christianity from a Hindu all of the time Mighty Moron?
And I’m still waiting for you to admit you were wrong in the “thou shalt not kill”. Sorry, but I PROVED you were wrong, only your psychotic ego prevents you from acknowledging it.
April 14th, 2006 at 2:37 pmYou know mighty aphrodite, you could start by not calling all of us names and making up lies about us and who we are.
Live by your own words.
April 14th, 2006 at 2:38 pm“#114 – Thank you, Giacomo!! I enjoyed your post – sure beats the h*ll out of some “psuedo-scholars†of the Bible…. Comment by mighty aphrodite ”
You mean like YOU.
Too bad Giacomo and you were BOTH WRONG.
You claim to both be Christians, but you’re as ignorant of those topics as you are EVERYTHING ELSE you write about.
You’re both pathetic.
April 14th, 2006 at 2:39 pmWhy is it you Christians are ALWAYS so ignorant of your own religion.
The eye of the needle refers to the small entrance of walled cities that a camel can only crall through entirely on its belly and with a great deal of pushing and struggle.
Ryan,
Did you actually read my entire post, or did you just get all excited after just the first part believing that you had a genuine “gotcha” moment. Please note, my post referenced exactly what you said and added that this “small entrance” is not a verifiable story. Sheesh.
April 14th, 2006 at 2:42 pmYou claim to both be Christians, but you’re as ignorant of those topics as you are EVERYTHING ELSE you write about. You’re both pathetic.
Wow, Ryan, who crapped in your cornflakes? What’s with all the vitriol …… ?
April 14th, 2006 at 2:47 pmAs for the actual topic of this thread, while Exxon has been a well-managed company (strictly from a profitability point of view, mind you) and stock performance is a large component of executive compensation … these packages, golden parachutes, and perks are WAY beyond reasonable.
April 14th, 2006 at 2:53 pm#118 Wayne, my apologies, I shouldn’t have generalized. I live in a SF ’suburb’ of 70K people with a station on every corner and traffic nightmares. The dumb people I was talking about are the ones who have a far greater choice to change their habits but choose not to for convenience or laziness reasons. Like in the large cities like SF, LA, NY, etc., where the majority of commerce (and therefore the majority impact to demand) takes place.
When I agreed with IRI’s first paragraph in #60, I think he was basically saying that we have a choice (although his delivery is curt). I strongly believe that. I could be an oil executive if I wanted it bad enough, anyone could if they wanted it bad enough. With the same logic, I could use less fossil fuel if I wanted to. Personally, I have better odds at the latter.
Your last comment was interesting to me: “And as long as there is somebody influential enough in poilitics to convince your governor that there’s good money to be made doing this, it should sail through. But if nobody can figure out how to make money off an idea, sadly the idea often dies out, no matter how good it was”
Right or wrong, this is exactly how capitalism works, but I also look at it from the other side – if there is demand, somebody will figure out a way to make money from it.
April 14th, 2006 at 3:05 pmthese packages, golden parachutes, and perks are WAY beyond reasonable.
Comment by Giacomo — April 14, 2006 @ 2:53 pm
Which is exactly what BusinessWeek, the Wall Street journal, Bloomberg, and other conservative, pro-business outlets have been saying for years.
And yet, when this issue is raised at ThinkProgress -or in any other “left-leaning” forum- all of the sudden it becomes a “leftist” issue and akin to advocating communism. Puzzling to me, considering Christian teachings always talk about helping the poor, while chiding excessive wealth and ostentation.
More puzzling still to see the same people berate “Third World sh!t h0les” (IRI, where are you?) for their levels of poverty, ignoring the fact that it is the same kind of concentration of wealth in a few hands that makes those “Thid World sh!t h0les” precisely what they are.
April 14th, 2006 at 3:08 pm#131 I agree. I see the whole embracing of Friedman-style economics as the cause of this particular idiocy. Milton Friedman said (something to the effect of), “A corporation cannot have compassion. Its sole responsibility is to show a profit.” This is why many of the larger (and more profitable) companies act so inhumanely. If cleaning up toxic chemical spills would cost more money (even with lawsuits and government fines) than actually cleaning up the toxic stuff, then that company would choose paying the fines and leaving the toxic stuff laying around. Because to them, there is noting but the bottom line, and anything that works to hurt that bottom line is, inherently, a bad thing. We need to move away from this type of corporate thinking. As I said before elsewhere, it doesn’t have to be a zero-sum game; it could be a win-win for everyone IF the corporations are willing to do with a little less in profits.
April 14th, 2006 at 3:11 pm“Did you actually read my entire post, or did you just get all excited after just the first part believing that you had a genuine “gotcha†moment. Please note, my post referenced exactly what you said and added that this “small entrance†is not a verifiable story. Sheesh. Comment by Giacomo ”
That’s true, and I apologize Giacomo.
In this case I was wrong about my response to you – but not to mighty moron the fake scholar and all around IDIOT.
By the way, while the eye of the needle is the generally ‘accepted’ interpretation, in the Talmud there’s a similar reference that’s a interesting.
“They do not show a man a palm tree of gold, nor an elephant going through the eye of a needle.”
So it’s just as likely that this phrase demonstrates the infeasible nature of a rich man entering heaven as anything.
“Wow, Ryan, who crapped in your cornflakes? What’s with all the vitriol …… ?
Comment by Giacomo ”
You obviously haven’t seen my recent interchange with that FAKE personna mighty moron. The vitriol is well deserved, and in fact it’s a RESPONSE to the psychotic things mighty moron and other trolls have posted. She had the nerve to claim that a pre-emptive nuclear bombing of Iran is not immoral or anti-christian. What a hate filled b!tch.
April 14th, 2006 at 3:18 pm“… these packages, golden parachutes, and perks are WAY beyond reasonable.
Comment by Giacomo ”
Be careful, the Mighty Ho might call you a communist for that kind of reasonable thinking…
April 14th, 2006 at 3:20 pm#132 No problem, Mikey. I often catch myself saying things I didn’t mean when I generalize.
Being a Liberal libertarian, I am not always in favor of capitalism being the only way to solve problems. Sometimes you do what needs to be done even if there is no profit in doing so. At some point, we are all going to have to live our lives in different ways than we do today. But does making money have to be the motivation for all we do? Why can’t our government take the taxes we all pay and find solutions that benefit all of our lives, instead of trying to pigeon-hole solutions into only those that make money? Sure, making lots of money is nice (I imagine), but what good does it do you if you’re dead? And how much can you make if your customer base is dead? If we all started thinking less about ourselves and what’s best for us as individuals (like the conservatives do) and started thinking more about what’s best for all of us collectively (like we liberals do), then we can all think about finding solutions to the world’s problems that bring benefit to everyone, including the greedy money-loving businessman (though he won’t get as much as he would like, but tough darts, he’ll still get more than he needs.)
April 14th, 2006 at 3:21 pm#136 Well then, Ryan, she’ll have a field day with me after what I just posted. But we have to start the dialog somewhere if we ever want to solve the problem.
April 14th, 2006 at 3:24 pm“Just out of curiosity, and building on the mutual areement we seem to share, do you think we would like it if some other country decided to invade ours and forcibly remove our leader from power?” – Wayne
**** Dear Wayne – If the US had a “leader” similar in nature and behaviour as, say Saddam Hussein…or Pol Pot….or Idi Amin (not to mention the “usual suspects”) I not only think we “would like it” – I think the vast majority would be thrilled! (Similar to the liberation of France and Italy at the conclusion of WWII.) Many confuse liberation with imperialism, If the US “acquired” Iraq, Afghanistan, etc, I think your point would be excellent – and understandable. The mass graves uncovered in all of the countries of the evil despots I named lends morality to the concept and implementation of liberation. Helping terrorized people by removing horrifying leaders is, in my opinion, a good thing.
April 14th, 2006 at 3:49 pmGotta run but I just wanted to leave everyone with one of my favorite “religious” quotes from SCTV:
“May the Good Lord take a liking to ya and blow you up real soon!”
Seriously, Happy Holidays to all and Peace on Earth for everyone.
April 14th, 2006 at 3:50 pmWait a second, we’re to believe you had 5 children (not 4) in 15 years, as well as 12 years of military service, 3 years of college 4 years of law school, the bar, and multiple years in private practice?
Sorry butthead, but the more you talk, the less your ‘bio’ makes sense.
Comment by Ryan Neat — April 14, 2006 @ 2:27 pm
Ryan,
She is either flat out lying to play the sympathy card, or she is talking about goldfish or hamsters.
I just gets more and more outrageous.
One of my brothers lost a child 13 years ago. I’ve seen a grieving parent. She does not qualify. Not the way she jokes about abortion and pediphilia. She’d be far more sensitive to any harm of a child. And she wouldn’t be spending a single minute in here when she could be spending it with her other children, because once you’ve lost one, you value the others 100 times more, and wouldn’t squander time that could be spent with them.
April 14th, 2006 at 3:51 pm***** You are absolutely correct – if people treated each other as they themselves wished to be treated, we would have very FEW problems.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — April 14, 2006 @ 2:22 pm
This could just be the most hypocritical thing you’ve ever uttered. You are NOT one to talk.
April 14th, 2006 at 3:53 pmDid you actually read my entire post, or did you just get all excited after just the first part believing that you had a genuine “gotcha†moment.
Comment by Giacomo — April 14, 2006 @ 2:42 pm
I thought you only accused me of that :). But, I read your entire post (as always), and Ryan’s entire post, and they were not identical. So, he clearly read yours.
April 14th, 2006 at 3:58 pmperhaps he can have 5 of his chins removed now.
April 14th, 2006 at 3:58 pmunbelievable,
(s)he’s a classic sociopath, one of the profiles of a sociopath is to tell these stories of ‘personal sympathy’ as an effort to manipulate and control the situation. Here’s just a few of the very clear traits Mighty Moron exhibits. (S)he’s ONE SICK WHACKO:
Glibness and Superficial Charm
Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.
Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.
Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.
Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.
Callousness/Lack of Empathy
Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others’ feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.
Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.
Grandiose Sense of Self
April 14th, 2006 at 4:00 pmFeels entitled to certain things as “their right.”
Or, I guess not. Sounded different to me. Oh well…
April 14th, 2006 at 4:01 pmunbelievable,
And if you ever wonder why Mighty Whacko hangs out with Progs that clearly have no use for him/her there’s this sociopath characteristic.
Need for Stimulation
Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.
(S)he’s already talked about the physical abuse she applies to her own children (spanking) as well as the punishments she received as a child. She even says that what’s wrong with liberals is that we aren’t BEATEN as children. She’s a SICKO.
April 14th, 2006 at 4:02 pm“If the US had a “leader†similar in nature and behaviour as, say Saddam Hussein…or Pol Pot….or Idi Amin”
Well, you opened a door with that question…
Where have you been? We DO have a leader “similar in nature”. All of those people you mentioned killed innocent people for personal gain. Granted, Bush isn’t cutting off heads on the Whitehouse lawn, but murder is murder. And if you believe we invaded Iraq for humanitarian reasons, then I feel sorry for you.
April 14th, 2006 at 4:03 pmGrandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as “their right.â€
Comment by Ryan Neat — April 14, 2006 @ 4:00 pm
That is her to a T. Scary how much so.
I think it would be interesting if she could raed her posts without her name attached, as if they were spoken twoard her and see how she’d respond. My guess is much less intellectually than you… :)
April 14th, 2006 at 4:04 pm(S)he’s already talked about the physical abuse she applies to her own children (spanking) as well as the punishments she received as a child. She even says that what’s wrong with liberals is that we aren’t BEATEN as children. She’s a SICKO.
Comment by Ryan Neat — April 14, 2006 @ 4:02 pm
To me, one of the biggest contradictions of the far Right is their obsessive fanaticism about abortion control, and yet they are all for beating children and other nasty forms of corporeal punishment. We think life is so precious that we beat it into submission? Hello… that’s not Pro-Life. Not on any level.
April 14th, 2006 at 4:08 pm#127 – “You know mighty aphrodite, you could start by not calling all of us names and making up lies about us and who we are. Live by your own words.
Comment by Spudge_Man
****Great idea, Spudge-Man!!!! But I think you meant this for your friend, that “independently wealthy Hindu camel” – I’ll forward it. Happy Holiday!
April 14th, 2006 at 4:08 pm“****Great idea, Spudge-Man!!!! But I think you meant this for your friend, that “independently wealthy Hindu camel†– I’ll forward it. Happy Holiday!
Comment by mighty aphrodite”
Ah, yet again a GLIB PSYCHOTIC response – surprise surprise.
Mighty Moron won’t admit his lies, immoralities, and distortions – instead he makes glib remarks about how everyone else is wrong.
You’re the most classic example of a sociopath on the web Mighty Moron – you should be locked in a well padded lab for study.
April 14th, 2006 at 4:16 pm“To me, one of the biggest contradictions of the far Right is their obsessive fanaticism about abortion control, and yet they are all for beating children and other nasty forms of corporeal punishment. unbelievable”
Or how they support the death penalty which has PROVEN to kill innocent people. Or how they support war and torture that kills innocent people.
The extreme right is riddled with people who are outright sociopaths. Mighty Moron is just such a pure and unmuddied example of it.
(s)he probably share’s Tom Cruise’s hatred for psychiatry like Right between the eyes does – heck they’re probably the same psycho.
April 14th, 2006 at 4:19 pm“****Great idea, Spudge-Man!!!! But I think you meant this for your friend, that “independently wealthy Hindu camel†– I’ll forward it. Happy Holiday!
Comment by mighty aphrodite ”
And I DO live by my own words MIGHTY MORON. There’s nothing more Hindu than stating the truth in the face of lies, and bringing an honest eye to the dishonest soul. See, I’m doing you a service – you’re welcome mighty psycho.
April 14th, 2006 at 4:21 pm[...] I wonder why gasoline is almost $3 a gallon. Oh… [...]
April 14th, 2006 at 4:22 pm#148- “Granted, Bush isn’t cutting off heads on the Whitehouse lawn, but murder is murder.” comment by Mikey
****Oh come on Mikey, I’ll bet you and your friends spend your spare time hunting for the mass-graves filled with patriotic Dem/prog dissenters. Have you heard??? The ONLY news outlets to be tolerated by the Evil Bushco are Rupert Murdoch controlled!!! I’ll teach you the secret handshake which will keep you from being picked up by the military/police in the middle of the night – but the secret handshake and password change every 3 weeks – so stay up to speed….
April 14th, 2006 at 4:23 pm“****Oh come on Mikey, I’ll bet you and your friends spend your spare time hunting for the mass-graves filled with patriotic Dem/prog dissenters. Have you heard??? The ONLY news outlets to be tolerated by the Evil Bushco are Rupert Murdoch controlled!!! I’ll teach you the secret handshake which will keep you from being picked up by the military/police in the middle of the night – but the secret handshake and password change every 3 weeks – so stay up to speed…. Comment by mighty aphrodite”
Yet another Glib Remark from the resident Psychotic Sociopath.
You never fail to dissappoint us with the consistency of your mental illness Mighty Moron.
April 14th, 2006 at 4:28 pmSorry, MA, you lost me on that one. I sense the sarcasm but don’t have a clue as to what you’re trying to say. How about a translation.
April 14th, 2006 at 4:28 pmToo bad for the world that Mighty Moron’s mother didn’t believe in abortion for children of incest. It would have spared the world of her suffering and psychosis.
April 14th, 2006 at 4:31 pmRyan, was there a meaning behind that puke or was he just babling incoherently?
April 14th, 2006 at 4:33 pm(s)he probably share’s Tom Cruise’s hatred for psychiatry like Right between the eyes does – heck they’re probably the same psycho.
Comment by Ryan Neat — April 14, 2006 @ 4:19 pm
Yeah, the extreme right seems to value only other people’s frozen embryos, all white fetuses, their own offspring when it comes to anyone else but them beating or criticizing it, and themselves. Egocentricity and lack of accountability at the depreciation of real morality and society as a whole.
Funny that people who need help the most are the first ones to reject it. I can’t stand the sight of Tom Cruise. He could REALLY use a good shrink, that one! What a nut.
I’m sure that they (IRI and MA) aren’t the same. Wishful thinking on your part, as that would mean one less in the world :).
April 14th, 2006 at 4:34 pmMeanwhile, more than 1 in 10 Americans live below the poverty line.
April 14th, 2006 at 4:47 pm“Ryan, was there a meaning behind that puke or was he just babling incoherently? Comment by Mikey ”
(S)he was just making a non-sequitor GLIB remark. It’s a classic response of a Sociopath who’s lost an argument, and looks like a fool. (S)he’s desperate to recast the conversation to avoid the embarrassment of everyone staring, pointing fingers, and laughing at her stupidity.
Sociopaths like Mighty Moron live in their own fantasy world. (S)he doesn’t record emotions, defeats or losses in the same way a sane person does. It’s a kind of emotional ADD.
What Mighty Moron was trying to say is aren’t you glad the country isn’t 100% Nazi at this point – but it’s already too Nazi for my tastes. We already know of 3 dozen prisoners who were MURDERED through interrogation. It may not be a mass grave, but it’s the same values that produces them. Mighty Moron just wants us to be thankful that they haven’t come after liberals yet (it’s a psychotic passive aggressive veiled threat). But we already know that liberals have been monitored by the FBI, Pentagon and NSA for peace activism and civil rights activism. So in fact we already have the SS, they just haven’t started the MASS roundups that Mighty Moron refers to.
So in brief, Mighty Moron was being GLIB, as (S)he always does – it’s how Sociopaths ‘cope’ with their failures and embarrassments. If (S)he ever does this, it’s a clear sign that she knows she’s lost a debate and is desperate to reclaim her self damaged self esteem.
April 14th, 2006 at 4:58 pm“I’m sure that they (IRI and MA) aren’t the same. Wishful thinking on your part, as that would mean one less in the world :). Comment by unbelievable ”
You could be right, but I believe there’s a strong chance it’s Multiple Personality Disorder. The first time Mighty Moron appeared on the site was when I was trashing MizzWrong severely. And she arrived by attacking me as her first entry on the site. It was just a little too ‘convenient’.
April 14th, 2006 at 5:01 pm#5 “Hey all you bible thumper wingers, greed is also a sin.†– GSD
****Hey all you Bible-trashing moonbats, envy is also a sin.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — April 14, 2006 @ 12:52 pm
So we know of TWO sins you admit to being guilty of MA
April 14th, 2006 at 5:04 pmThese guys gave about a million dollars to GOP candidates and another million to the president…
April 14th, 2006 at 5:13 pmAnd got 5 billion dollars of favorable bills.
Damn, thats quite the return on an investment!
And Mighty , this is not a parable but a good quote which Directly applies both to the greedy (in the quotes eye Exxon executive) and most repugs;
Matthew,
6:19 “Do not accumulate for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal. 6:20 But accumulate for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and thieves do not break in and steal. 6:21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
And GOD has a “you can’t take your bank account with you policy”
April 14th, 2006 at 5:18 pm#163 Thanks for the translation Ryan. What’s scary is that there are at least three people in my office who act as you described.
April 14th, 2006 at 5:22 pmMikey,
Wow, it sounds like you need a new job :)
April 14th, 2006 at 5:28 pmRyan, I know it. And…you’ll love this…I work for a government agency! No joke!
April 14th, 2006 at 5:30 pmYou could be right, but I believe there’s a strong chance it’s Multiple Personality Disorder.
Comment by Ryan Neat — April 14, 2006 @ 5:01 pm
Anything is possible… :)
April 14th, 2006 at 5:44 pmCould you live on minimum wage? Can anyone?
Here is one scenerio, the rich will duplicate services, and more will get poorer, the middle-class smaller. Oprah showed an EMT that gets $8/hour. She makes life and death decisions. Say Mr. Raymond has a heart attack at home and calls 911 and this EMT worker goes out. That won’t happen because what Mr. Raymond will do is call a private company that serves the rich. There are doctors that are already providing boutique or concierge medicine, and hospitals turn away the poor.
I don’t believe Mr. Raymond is any smarter than Warren Buffett. We meet people everyday that impact our lives on some level, and contribute to society. The ramifications of the compensation gap are so many.
Instead of guns, gays, and abortion, healthcare, education, jobs, families, etc., should be the priorities of our Representatives. Those other things will take care of themselves, if people are treated like human beings, and have jobs, clean food and water, healthcare, can spend some time with their kids, etc.
April 14th, 2006 at 5:47 pmIt is very interesting to see immigration, excessive CEO compensation, and liveable wages (and all that goes with that) all converging at the same time. Well, I guess when our Representatives don’t really solve anything for years, spend like drunken sailors, it is to be expected.
Have you been watching the janitors protest at the University of Miami. I guess we’ll see where Democrats really stand on this issue, what solutions they may have, since Donna Shalala, Clinton’s former Health and Human Services Secretary, is the head of the University.
April 14th, 2006 at 6:19 pmAnd we are concerned about the “illegal” alien making $5.00 an hour (or less)! Corporate America is running the largest “skimming” scheme today!
April 14th, 2006 at 7:23 pmI say yes to sin taxes, and let’s start with greed. as I recall, greed is one of the seven cardinal sins.
For every dollar corporate officers make, over and above the amount paid to the janitor, they should be taxed at 50% and there can be no breaks of any kind, period!
April 14th, 2006 at 7:51 pm“I-Is-so-frightened” and “Mighty Cellulite-y” Once again demonstrating how fucking stupid and mean-spirited the “mainstream” has become. Lay awake in fear tonight, popping your pills, ’cause we’re coming to get you…..
April 14th, 2006 at 9:11 pmBut this year Easter will be a bit harder – five years ago this Easter Sunday, one of my children passed away. We are taking our kids to the San Diego Zoo Sunday – it was her favourite place. I am looking forward and we shall CELEBRATE her life.
Comment by mighty aphrodite
I guess every Easter is tough, but possibly no tougher than any other day for you. So sad to hear and I’m sorry for you loss.
We call it Resurrection Sunday rather than Easter. Not that there’s anything wrong with the tradition but it helps to focus on those things adults really should be thinking about on that day. Easter is for Presbyterians and kiddies. I guess it’s the bunny thing that gets them. For the rest of us it’s a celebration of the first man’s victory over death and the grave and of course it’s the all in all of what it means to believe in Christ.
I have children waiting for me as well. It’s an amazing thing to think about. All children who didn’t make it to an age where their Creator deemed them accountable for their choices are in His care, waiting and I think hoping for our return. It’s a promise that Christ has made to all who will listen.
To all…Have a blessed Easter Bunny Day if you wish. I don’t think Christ will care one way or another what you call it. He Is Risen!
April 14th, 2006 at 9:40 pmAnd I just read (or heard) somewhere that they say that Exxon-Moble can only afford to fund around 62% of their pension fund.
April 14th, 2006 at 9:50 pmLOL after all the insults, trash talk, and slander I-Right-I wishes us all blessed Easter? After he calls us Homos and such, he thinks he can slink away under the cover of Christianity? Hypocrisy is I-R-I’s middle name, but I do hope maybe he will find the real Christ this Easter Sunday and repent for wishing harm on people!
April 15th, 2006 at 12:13 amThat is why I drive a VW Jetta TDI that gets 51 miles per gallon. Don’t now why we put up with this, but then I do remember the gas shortages of the ’70s when you could only fill up on even or odd alternate days depending on the last number of your license plate. And sometimes they limited the gallons you could get. Maybe the good people of Boston will treat him to a Gas Party the next time he visits there! Well, its a thought.
April 15th, 2006 at 12:57 am[...] Think Progress passes along news that makes you want to hurl (or riot): Average Americans are struggling to keep up with persistently high gas prices, now approaching $3 a gallon. Testifying before Congress last November, Exxon CEO Lee Raymond blamed the problem on”global supply and demand” and assured the public that”we’re all in this together.” Last year, Raymond made due with”a total compensation package” of just $69.7 million or $190,915 a day, including weekends. [...]
April 15th, 2006 at 1:55 amMy F-350 truck now runs on VEGETABLE OIL…KISS MY ASS, Exxon!!!
April 15th, 2006 at 2:04 am[...] Five years of doubletalk and bullshit from Bushco and… Cheney gets a $2 million dollar tax refund and guys like this get all the tax breaks. Poll: Most Americans Say Tax System Unjust [...]
April 15th, 2006 at 10:11 amSORRY TP…
guess I should’ve known you’d be on top of this one…
…anyway, THIS is a more appropriate place for this post…
…even if it is redundant…
Lee R. Raymond is the former Chairman and CEO of Exxon Mobil. He was one of the Chairmen who testified before the criminal TRAITOR Alaskan Senator Ted Stevens’ Energy Committee, who all lied to that committee- but because Stevens REFUSED to have them sworn-in got away with a felony. The New York Times now tells us of Mr. Raymond’s reward for GOUGING the American people:
“Mr. Raymond, who retired in December, was compensated more than $686 million from 1993 to 2005, according to an analysis done for The New York Times by Brian Foley, an independent compensation consultant. That is $144,573 for each day he spent leading Exxon’s “God pod,†as the executive suite at the company’s headquarters in Irving, Tex., is known.â€
-NYT-
…the rats are beginning to ride off into the sunset with their ill-gotten gains…
…and the dumb a*s American people bicker about immigration and same-sex marriage, and fret about Bushiva’s scary boogeyman- “a nucular (sic) Iranâ€â€¦
…What a criminal country/government!
…What a sh*t-for- brains “conservative” electorate!
April 15th, 2006 at 10:27 am“I have children waiting for me as well. Comment by Right Between the Log Cabin Republican Eyesâ€
I’ll call social services and have the watch out for you at the kiddie parks.
Comment by Ryan Neat #183
Ryan,
…plenty of right wing “conservative” pedophiles will be on hand at Easter egg hunts…
…nationwide…
…most however will be at the White House…
…Do you think CPS would answer a call at the White House?
April 15th, 2006 at 10:32 amFor the rest of us it’s a celebration of the first man’s victory over death and the grave and of course it’s the all in all of what it means to believe in Christ.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I #177
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!
…man that hypocrI‘tical-R‘acist-I’dolator
…is one “FUNNY” guy…
April 15th, 2006 at 10:37 amMeanwhile, my husband made $14 too much at his part time job (he’s on social security disability at age 42 and has been since age 35) and SSA took away his ENTIRE benefit for those months. So we OWE them and believe me, they TAKE it. Right out of your check they take it. Does that make sense? $1000 for being accidentally overpaid during a three paycheck month by $14?! Oh way, Mr. Raymond elects those officials who encourage SSA to hit us HARD because we’re abusing the system. Right. I forgot about that.
April 15th, 2006 at 1:09 pm#158 – “Sorry, MA, you lost me on that one. I sense the sarcasm but don’t have a clue as to what you’re trying to say. How about a translation.”
April 15th, 2006 at 2:25 pmComment by Mikey
****Sorry, Mikey – no time for ror remedial classes for the paranoid. Maybe the one or two kindhearted progs who reside here can translate….
#177 – “I have children waiting for me as well. It’s an amazing thing to think about. All children who didn’t make it to an age where their Creator deemed them accountable for their choices are in His care, waiting and I think hoping for our return. It’s a promise that Christ has made to all who will listen. ” – - I-R-I
*****Thank you, my friend! All I can say is “Amen!” So many happy, funny memories ease our suffering. But a funny thing happened on her last birthday – I was outside gardening and two of my children came up. I had been crying and they could see my eyes were a mess. One of my sons said, ” You know Mom, I know you’re sad because it’s our sister’s birthday…but maybe it’s better she died early – I mean what if she grew up and became a bank robber and was not allowed to go to heaven??” His sister just ahead of him, chimed in, “Or worse, Mom,…what if she grew up to be a DemoRAT???” I went on to tell them I was a recovering DemoRAT….Aren’t some kids just too precious????
Wishing you and yours a wonderful Easter!!
April 15th, 2006 at 2:38 pmOne of my sons said, †You know Mom, I know you’re sad because it’s our sister’s birthday…but maybe it’s better she died early – I mean what if she grew up and became a bank robber and was not allowed to go to heaven??†His sister just ahead of him, chimed in, “Or worse, Mom,…what if she grew up to be a DemoRAT???â€
Comment by mighty aphrodite — April 15, 2006 @ 2:38 pm
Anyone who still believes your blatant LIE after this bit of fabricated garbage is naive. Children do not talk a like that. If you’d ever spent time around any, you’d know. And, you would not make a joke about it.
You’re obviously making this up to gain sympathy. That makes you mentally deranged, because it’s no different than the woman who cried rape when she wasn’t. You are why some people think women are the weaker sex. You are why women like Erme Bombeck said she was ashamed of modern women. You would make me ashamed of women if I actually believed you are one. That grows less and less likely every day.
What a perverted person you are to joke about children dying. I watched my nephew die. I saw that tiny little coffin. I still see my brother mourning that loss that he will NEVER get over. His ex-wife never re-married or had other children because the loss scarred her permantly. His name is whispered still because it still hurts. And my mother, 13 years later, still goes to the grave site to bring holiday decorations for her first grandson. You make me sick lying about such a horrible, horrible situation.
You should be ashamed of yourself, but you clearly do not know now. You are not even human.
April 15th, 2006 at 3:41 pmDear unbelievable B**ch – Apparently, unless EVERYONE FEELS the way YOU or YOUR FAMILY DOES – that feeling is illegitimate. You egocentric, b!^ch. Lucky for the good people of Georgia that you will no longer be imparting your supposition and bias on their defenseless children. You’re not fit to be in the classroom with kittens let alone children. I will not bother to waste another byte on you -
April 15th, 2006 at 5:26 pmI will not bother to waste another byte on you –
Comment by mighty aphrodite — April 15, 2006 @ 5:26 pm
Yep, I was right. You just validated that 100%. There is no dead child.
I’ve known others who’ve lost a child. Unlike you, I leave my living room and talk to people. NONE of them joke about it. All of them are sad. All of them become advocates for children. And all of them comment about the haunting, lingering visual of that grotesquely small child’s coffin. All of them. All except you.
You’re a fraud and you’ve been exposed. And so all you can do now is call me names.
April 15th, 2006 at 6:07 pmI will not bother to waste another byte on you –
Comment by mighty aphrodite — April 15, 2006 @ 5:26 pm
Yep, I was right. You just validated that 100%. There is no dead child.
I’ve known others who’ve lost a child. Unlike you, I leave my living room and talk to people. NONE of them joke about it. All of them are sad. All of them become advocates for children. And all of them comment about the haunting, lingering visual of that grotesquely small child’s coffin. All of them. All except you.
You’re a fraud and you’ve been exposed. And so all you can do now is call me names.
April 15th, 2006 at 6:08 pmRyan,
This is outrageous. I know sociopaths feel zero remorse, but this is insane and disturbing. I CANNOT believe someone could be so flippant about the death of a child.
I guess we can thank Ronald Reagan for labeling psychiatric conditions as ‘unworthy’ so that people like this, who blindly kowtow to the Republiscam Party will never seek the treatment they do badly need. Too bad.
April 15th, 2006 at 6:19 pmYeah, it’s kind of shocking when you realize exactly how disturbed some people are isn’t it. They really don’t feel remorse or complex emotions. They’re emotionally stunted to early childhood levels, which is why they come across so primitive, crude and non-real when pressed on. They really aren’t a fully developed human.
My 5 1/2 year old niece likes to make up stories, as all little kids do. If you ever question her on the really outrageous ones, she gets defensive. So I usually drop it, which she mistakes for disapproval, so she then resorts to sympathy tactics. It’s exactly what MA has done. You decimated her in several debates, so she attacked you. And when that didn’t make you flinch, she started the fake sob story to get attention. A couple people gave it to her, and she, like my 5 year old niece, practically skipped around the room that she was the center of attention. MA must be a child. Only young children ‘play dead’ because they don’t understand the seriousness of teh subject.
Well the party did boom after that act :)
You’re so funny… But, as we’ve said, humor is based on reality ;)
And yes, way too many people on the far reichwing are clearly emotionally and mentally disturbed. It’s why we should have nationalized health care, and mandatory psyche evaluations. That would clean up the republican party faster than anything.
Comment by Ryan Neat — April 15, 2006 @ 6:29 pm
I’m usually not big on manditory anything, but in this case, I might easily be convinced. I think it’s probably up there with making people put their kids in safety seats and wear seat belts. I just don’t trust the Capitalistic greed of those in power to run the system properly anymore… They’ve proven themselves, repeatedly, incapable of leadership.
I’m with you on National Healthcare. Aren’t we the only Industrial Nation that doesn’t have it?
April 15th, 2006 at 6:42 pmThis is outrageous. I know sociopaths feel zero remorse, but this is insane and disturbing. I CANNOT believe someone could be so flippant about the death of a child.
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Jews are fatalists. It doesn’t surprise me in the least that someone could look upon premature death as a blessing in disguise. If I’m not mistaken THAT is exactly the position many Liberal take when arguing for abortion.
This little exchange was not one of your finer moments. In my opinion of course. I’m sure Ryan would disagree.
April 15th, 2006 at 9:03 pm#204 Well, I think you might be mistaken about that, sir. I support a woman’s right to determine for herself whether or not she wants to be enslaved by a man and forced to bear his child against her will. And my position, like MOST of the people I know, has NOTHING to do with some fatalistic attitude that premature death is a blessing. I don’t know where you got that theory, but I suggest you rip it up and try again.
Enjoy your Easter.
April 15th, 2006 at 9:45 pmPost #60 Must be getting big bucks to defend these guys because he doesn’t know how to spell either. It steal not steel. Maybe thats what you are also doing.
April 15th, 2006 at 10:24 pmThis little exchange was not one of your finer moments. In my opinion of course. I’m sure Ryan would disagree.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — April 15, 2006 @ 9:03 pm
You have got to be kidding me. This psychotic lunatic jokes about a dead child to manipulate people and you think it wasn’t one of MY finer moments? You go spend an entire day in the hospital watching your nephew die from something no one can save him from while the brother you helped raised gets to, at 20, lose a child. And then you get back to me over whether or not I had a right to be angry about some self-absorbed freak playing games with such a serious issue.
April 15th, 2006 at 10:30 pmDo not buy oil from Exxon or Mobil! Buy from anyone but these pukes!
April 16th, 2006 at 12:12 amRyan, You have out done your self. Way to go. Notice that geometro drops out when drop in? Seems to have a fairly decent mind but, a neocon and confused.
April 16th, 2006 at 1:25 amRyan,
I suppose, in terms of Karma, that the resident homophobe defending the imaginary family of a transgendered man is pretty appropriate. :)
I’ve been here for about 6 months now and the entire time, MA has gone out of his way to be exceptionally nasty to everyone, but especially those who see through his charade. To me, his nonsense finally crossed the line of human decency. And someone in addition to you needed to stand up to the bully on this horrific abuse of people’s sympathy. So that it wasn’t just you questioning the lie.
Really, having known a lot of people in my life, I understand that there must be extreme frustration in being a woman trapped inside a man’s body and not being able to do anything about it. But to direct that anger at a group of strangers day after day, well, sorry, I too have lost any sympathy for his inability to be a real girl. I didn’t have the fairytale childhood myself, but you don’t see me over at any right-wing websites intentially inflicting vitriolic insults at others to assuage my personal pain. It’s because I accept responsibility for myself, inspite of the hand I was dealt. And, as if it’s my fault that I was born with a uterus and he wasn’t. The women at this site are not his punching bags for being something we did not control. As opposed to a misogynist or liar or bully, which are choices.
I still think they (MA and IRI) are two different people. Just with the same sources for misinformation that makes them sound so much alike. There are just so many ways to paraphrase Rush, O’Reilly and Hannity, you know :).
But, I’m sure next week, there will be a new crisis in MA’s life to eclipse this one. And I have little doubt that it will be just as transparent, outrageous and crass as this one.
Well, hopefully he won’t be around today. Even we heathens need a break ; )
April 16th, 2006 at 7:41 amI support a woman’s right to determine for herself whether or not she wants to be enslaved by a man and forced to bear his child against her will.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — April 15, 2006 @ 9:45 pm
Wayne, I’m at a loss for words. That was brilliant. Thank you. I’m learning that anyone who defends their own interest is seen as biased and usually dismissed as such, but when someone else who has no vested personal interest speaks out, it is much more pointed and real. Well said.
In countries where women are treated with respect and equality, abortion rates are actually low. Logically it all makes sense. That if a woman isn’t defined in terms of something other than her personal defintion of herself, then she won’t get pregnant unless it’s her choice to be pregnant the majority of the time.
This is why I detest organized religion. It turns logical people into illogical lemmings.
April 16th, 2006 at 7:50 amIt must really toast her cookies that I have a better memory for her stupid and retarded stories than (s)he does. What a STUPID PSYCHO.
Comment by Ryan Neat — April 15, 2006 @ 11:40 pm
MA should find a new website where no one knowns him and start over. But this time, keep a pencil and notebook handy to jot down the stories he tells for reference.
April 16th, 2006 at 7:56 amMr. Raymond might spend some of his money on a diet.
April 16th, 2006 at 12:36 pmsupport a woman’s right to determine for herself whether or not she wants to be enslaved by a man and forced to bear his child against her will.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — April 15, 2006 @ 9:45 pm
Wayne, I’m at a loss for words. That was brilliant. Thank you. Comment by
unbelievable
I don’t think Wayne has a penis. If he does I bet he hasn’t seen it in 20 years. My guess is his (wife?) makes him sit down to pee. The dipshit isn’t brilliant, he’s a pandering little twerp with some real issues with his masculine mother.
Here ya go Wayne…here’s some additional quotes for the self-loathing male of the species….you make me physically ill, do you know that?
“I believe that women have a capacity for understanding and compassion which a man structurally does not have, does not have it because he cannot have it. He’s just incapable of it.” — Former Congresswoman Barbara Jordan
“All men are rapists and that’s all they are” — Marilyn French, Author, “The Women’s Room”
“I feel that ‘man-hating’ is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them.” — Robin Morgan, MS. Magazine Editor
“I claim that rape exists any time sexual intercourse occurs when it has not been initiated by the woman, out of her own genuine affection and desire.” — Robin Morgan
“And let’s put one lie to rest for all time: the lie that men are oppressed, too, by sexism–the lie that there can be such a thing as ‘men’s liberation groups.’ Oppression is something that one group of people commits against another group, specifically because of a ‘threatening’ characteristic shared by the latter group–skin color, sex or age, etc. The oppressors are indeed FUCKED UP by being masters, but those masters are not OPPRESSED. Any master has the alternative of divesting himself of sexism or racism–the oppressed have no alternative–for they have no power–but to fight. In the long run, Women’s Liberation will of course free men–but in the short run it’s going to cost men a lot of privilege, which no one gives up willingly or easily. Sexism is NOT the fault of women–kill your fathers, not your mothers.” — Robin Morgan
“My feelings about men are the result of my experience. I have little sympathy for them. Like a Jew just released from Dachau, I watch the handsome young Nazi soldier fall writhing to the ground with a bullet in his stomach and I look briefly and walk on. I don’t even need to shrug. I simply don’t care. What he was, as a person, I mean, what his shames and yearnings were, simply don’t matter.” — Marilyn French, in “The Women’s Room”
“Heterosexual intercourse is the pure, formalized expression of contempt for women’s bodies.” — Andrea Dworkin
“And if the professional rapist is to be separated from the average dominant heterosexual [male], it may be mainly a quantitative difference.” — Susan Griffin “Rape: The All-American Crime”
“The institution of sexual intercourse is anti-feminist” — Ti-Grace Atkinson “Amazon Odyssey” (p. 86)
“[Rape] is nothing more or less than a conscious process of intimidation by which all men keep all women in a state of fear” — Susan Brownmiller (Against Our Will p. 6)
“When a woman reaches orgasm with a man she is only collaborating with the patriarchal system, eroticizing her own oppression…” — Sheila Jeffrys
FROM ‘A Feminist Dictionary’, ed. Kramarae and Treichler, Pandora Press, 1985
*MALE: … represents a variant of or deviation from the category of female. The first males were mutants… the male sex represents a degeneration and deformity of the female.’ *MAN: … an obsolete life form… an ordinary creature who needs to be watched … a contradictory baby-man … *TESTOSTERONE POISONING: … ‘Until now it has been though that the level of testosterone in men is normal simply because they have it. But if you consider how abnormal their behavior is, then you are led to the hypothesis that almost all men are suffering from “testosterone poisoning.”
Letter to the Editor: “Women’s Turn to Dominate” “To Proud Feminist, (Herald-Sun, 7 February). Your last paragraph is shocking language from a feminist. You use the entrenched, revolting male stereotypes of women and rationalize your existence by saying you are neither “ugly” nor “manless”, as though either of these male-oriented judgments matter.
“Clearly you are not yet a free-thinking feminist but rather one of those women who bounce off the male-dominated, male- controlled social structures.
“Who cares how men feel or what they do or whether they suffer? They have had over 2000 years to dominate and made a complete hash of it. Now it is our turn. My only comment to men is, if you don’t like it, bad luck — and if you get in my way I’ll run you down.” Signed: Liberated Woman, Boronia Herald-Sun, Melbourne, Australia – 9 February 1996
“Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometime gain from the experience,” said Catherine Comins, Vassar College Assistant Dean of Student Life in Time.
“Ninety-five percent of women’s experiences are about being a victim. Or about being an underdog, or having to survive… women didn’t go to Vietnam and blow up things up. They are not Rambo,” said Jodie Foster in The New York Times Magazine
“If the classroom situation is very heteropatriarchal — a large beginning class of 50 to 60 students, say, with few feminist students — I am likely to define my task as largely one of recruitment…of persuading students that women are oppressed,” said Professor Joyce Trebilcot of Washington University in “Who Stole Feminism: How Women Have Betrayed Women.”
“We are, as a sex, infinitely superior to men.” Elizabeth Cady Stanton, quoted in ” One Woman, One Voice “, Wheeler, page 58.
“No woman should be authorized to stay at home to raise her children. Society should be totally different. Women should not have that choice, precisely because if there is such a choice, too many women will make that one.” Simone de Beauvoir, author of _The Second Sex_, the book that is credited with launching the mainstream of the modern feminist movement —
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The simple fact is that every woman must be willing to be identified as a lesbian to be fully feminist.” (National NOW Times, Jan.1988).
“Since marriage constitutes slavery for women, it is clear that the women’s movement must concentrate on attacking this institution. Freedom for women cannot be won without the abolition of marriage.” (radical feminist leader Sheila Cronan).
“Being a housewife is an illegitimate profession… The choice to serve and be protected and plan towards being a family-maker is a choice that shouldn’t be. The heart of radical feminism is to change that.” (Vivian Gornick, feminist author, University of Illinois, “The Daily Illini,” April 25, 1981.
“In order to raise children with equality, we must take them away from families and communally raise them.” (Dr. Mary Jo Bane, feminist and assistant professor of education at Wellesley College and associate director of the school’s Center for Research on Woman).
For more, see ” The Myth Of Male Power ‘, Warren Farrell, ” Not Guilty; The Case In Defense Of Men “, David Thomas, ” Divorced Dads; Shattering The Myths “, Sanford Braver, ” Who Stole Feminism; How Women Have Betrayed Women “, and ” The War Against Boys; How Misguided Feminism Is Harming Our Young Men “, Christina Hoff Sommers, ” Stiffed; The Betrayal Of The American Man “, Susan Faludi, ” Professing Feminism; Cautionary Tales From The Strange World Of Women’s Studies “, and ” Heterophobia; Sexual Harrassment And The Future OF Feminism “, Daphne Patai, and ” Spreading Misandry; The Teaching Of Contempt For Men In Popular Culture “, Paul Nathanson, Katherine Young.
Our demand is not for equality. Who wants to be like men! We are trying as women to define ourselves. We not only reject the definitions that men have given us, but reject becoming like men. –From WOMEN OF THE WORLD UNITE — WE HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BUT OUR MEN! [In] Notes from the First Year. New York: The New York Radical Women, 1968.
[T]okenism – which is commonly guised as Equal Rights … yields token victories … –Mary Daly. Gyn/Ecology: The metaethics of radical feminism. The Women’s Press, London, 1979, p.375
[E]quality of rights … is the idea that each citizen is entitled to equal protection before the law. Contrary to conventional wisdom, however, the equal-protection doctrine does not offer any broad guarantees of equality except to people who are “similarly situated.” Thus, equality of rights can keep women and minorities in subordinate positions because they are “different.” –Joan Hoff. Law, Gender, & Injustice: A Legal History of U.S. Women. New York University Press, 1991, page 27-28
The issue is not freedom to be treated without regard to sex –Ann C. Scales. The Emergence of Feminist Jurisprudence: An Essay [in] Feminist Legal Theory: Foundations (ed. D. Kelly Weisberg) Temple University Press, 1993, page 50
I hate being in a room where we’re made to feel like everybody has an equal voice. –Bell Hooks. Let’s Get Real about FEMINISM: The Backlash, The Myths, The Movement, from Ms. Magazine, September/October, 1993.
Women will run the 21st century. –Bella Abzug in an interview on 4/24/97 [http://www.netaxs.com/~gem/abzug.html]
When the University of California Regents met do discuss removing race and sex as admission standards the feminist protests were immediate, loud and protracted and ended only when CA Prop 209 made that issue moot. The feminist opposition to 209 was nationwide and N.O.W.’s anti-209 rally drew 200,000 bigots opposed to equality under the law. Wanna know what caused all these feminists to piss their panties?
1 (a) The state shall not discriminate against, or grant preferential treatment to, any individual or 2 group on the basis of race, sex, color, ethnicity, or national origin in the operation of public 3 employment, public education, or public contracting.
“The simple fact is that every woman must be willing to be identified as a lesbian to be fully feminist.” -U.S. National organization for Women Times.
“The end of the institution of marriage is a necessary condition for the liberation of women. Therefore it is important for us to encourage women to leave their husbands…” -Declaration of Feminism
“The patriarchy understands the power of women’s studies. And one of the most effective weapons against women’s studies is gender studies. Time after time, I have encountered women’s studies professors who have been under attack because women’s studies is “sexist.” They are pressured to convert their programs to gender studies – which, of course, is alright because it includes men.
If left unchallenged, gender studies programs will usher in the end of women ’s studies, as well as lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) studies. And it also will open the door for men’s studies courses to be taught in the name of fairness. How long before we see Wade Horn or some other misogynist fathers’ rights leader teaching gender studies courses? By embracing gender, academia is poised to weaken or annihilate already struggling women’s studies programs throughout the country.”
Excerpted from: National NOW Times Fall, 2001
“A good part-and definitely the most fun part-of being a feminist is about frightening men.” –Julie Burchill (b. 1960), British journalist, author. Time Out (London, 16 Nov. 1989).
ITEM. _Parade_ magazine announces that 40 million Soviet men were killed between 1914 and 1945. The magazine’s headline reads “Short End of the Stick.” Because men died? No. The women were seen as getting the short end of the stick because they were stuck with factory and street-cleaner positions the men weren’t around to do.
Warren Farrell, _The Myth of Male Power_, Berkley Books mass market edition; page 138.
“Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat. ” [Ed: Women's grief is more tragic than men's deaths] Hillary Clinton, Feminist – First Ladies’ Conference on Domestic Violence in San Salvador, El Salvador on Nov. 17, 1998
“Women’s liberation, if it abolishes the patriarchal family, will abolish a necessary substructure of the authoritarian state, and once that withers away Marx will have come true willy-nilly, so let’s get on with it.” –Germaine Greer (b. 1939), Australian feminist writer. The Female Eunuch, “Revolution” (1970).
“All societies on the verge of death are masculine. A society can survive with only one man; no society will survive a shortage of women.”
–Germaine Greer (b. 1939), Australian feminist writer. Sex and Destiny, ch. 3 (1984).
“There has come into existence, chiefly in America, a breed of men who claim to be feminists. They imagine that they have understood “what women want” and that they are capable of giving it to them. They help with the dishes at home and make their own coffee in the office, basking the while in the refulgent consciousness of virtue. . . . Such men are apt to think of the true male feminists as utterly chauvinistic.” –Germaine Greer (b. 1939), Australian feminist writer. “Eternal War: Strindberg’s View of Sex,” in Spectator (London, 3 June 1978; repr. in The Madwoman’s Underclothes, 1986).
“Men are the enemies of women. Promising sublime intimacy, unequalled passion, amazing security and grace, they nevertheless exploit and injure in a myriad subtle ways. Without men the world would be a better place: softer, kinder, more loving; calmer, quieter, more humane.” –Ann Oakley (b. 1944), British sociologist, author. Taking It Like a Woman, “A French Letter” (1984).
Quotes from Robin Morgan (current editor of MS magazine) “I feel that ‘man-hating’ is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them.” — Robin Morgan,
From her “The Demon Lover” (NY: Norton & Co., 1989 Morgan doesn’t hide her bigotry ):
p. 138-9: The phallic malady is epidemic and systemic… each individual male in the patriarchy is aware of his relative power in the scheme of things…. He knows that his actions are supported by the twin pillars of the State of man – the brotherhood ritual of political exigency and the brotherhood ritual of a sexual thrill in dominance. As a devotee of Thanatos, he is one with the practitioner of sado-masochistic “play” between “consenting adults,” as he is one with the rapist. p. 224: My white skin disgusts me. My passport disgusts me. They are the marks of an insufferable privilege bought at the price of others’ agony. p. 229: Sex to this point in my life has been trivial, at best a gesture of tenderness, at worst a chore. I couldn’t understand the furor about it. p. 316: Did she die of the disease called “family” or the disease called “rehabilitation”, of poverty or drugs or pornography, of economics or sexual slavery or a broken body? “I claim that rape exists any time sexual intercourse occurs when it has not been initiated by the woman, out of her own genuine affection and desire.” — Robin Morgan, in 1974
…rape is the perfected act of male sexuality in a patriarchal culture– it is the ultimate metaphor for domination, violence, subjugation, and possession. — Robin Morgan
“I haven’t the faintest notion what possible revolutionary role white hetero- sexual men could fulfill, since they are the very embodiment of reactionary- vested-interest-power. But then, I have great difficulty examining what men in general could possibly do about all this. In addition to doing the shitwork that women have been doing for generations, possibly not exist? No, I really don’t mean that. Yes, I really do.” — Robin Morgan
“And let’s put one lie to rest for all time: the lie that men are oppressed, too, by sexism–the lie that there can be such a thing as ‘men’s liberation groups.’ Oppression is something that one group of people commits against another group specifically because of a ‘threatening’ characteristic shared by the latter group–skin color or sex or age, etc. The oppressors are indeed FUCKED UP by being masters (racism hurts whites, sexual stereotypes are harmful to men) but those masters are not OPPRESSED. Any master has the alternative of divesting himself of sexism or racism–the oppressed have no alternative–for they have no power–but to fight. In the long run, Women’s Liberation will of course free men–but in the short run it’s going to COST men a lot of privilege, which no one gives up willingly or easily. Sexism is NOT the fault of women–kill your fathers, not your mothers.” — Robin Morgan
“I claim that rape exists any time sexual intercourse occurs when it has not been initiated by the woman, out of her own genuine affection and desire.” – From Robin Morgan, “Theory and Practice: Pornography and Rape” in “Going to Far,” 1974.
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From Marilyn French
[The quote below is from a novel by Marilyn French. Feminists often say "it is only a quote from a fictional character. Yet this notion is seen throughout feminist so called scholarship. -AG]
“All men are rapists and that’s all they are” — Marilyn French Author, “The Women’s Room”
“My feelings about men are the result of my experience. I have little sympathy for them. Like a Jew just released from Dachau, I watch the handsome young Nazi soldier fall writhing to the ground with a bullet in his stomach and I look briefly and walk on. I don’t even need to shrug. I simply don’t care. What he was, as a person, I mean, what his shames and yearnings were, simply don’t matter.” — Marilyn French, in “The Women’s Room”
From Andrea Dworkin “Heterosexual intercourse is the pure, formalized expression of contempt for women’s bodies.” — Andrea Dworkin
“Rape is the primary heterosexual model for sexual relating. Rape is the primary emblem of romantic love. Rape is the means by which a woman is initiated into her womanhood as it is defined by men. … Rape, then, is the logical consequence of a system of definitions of what is normative. Rape is no excess, no aberration, no accident, no mistake–it embodies sexuality as the culture defines it.” Andrea Dworkin “The Rape Atrocity and the Boy Next Door” Our Blood
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Susan Griffin “And in the spectrum of male bahavior, rape, the perfect combination of sex and violence, is the penultimate (sic) act. Erotic pleasure cannot be separated from culture, and in our culture male eroticism is wedded to power.” Susan Griffin Rape: The Politics of Consciousness “And if the professional rapist is to be separated from the average dominant heterosexual [male], it may be mainly a quantitative difference.” — Susan Griffin “Rape: The All-American Crime”
Germain Greer When asked: “You [Greer] were once quoted as saying your idea of the ideal man is a woman with a dick. Are you still that way inclined?” Dr Greer (denying that she said it): “I have a great deal of difficulty with the idea of the ideal man. As far as I’m concerned, men are the product of a damanged gene. They pretend to be normal but what they’re doing sitting there with benign smiles on their faces is they’re manufacturing sperm. They do it all the time. They never stop.
“I mean, we women are more reasonable. We pop one follicle every 28 days, whereas they are producing 400 million sperm for each ejaculation, most of which don’t take place anywhere near an ovum. I don’t know that the ecosphere can tolerate it.”
- Germaine Greer, at a Hilton Hotel literary lunch, promoting her book “The Change– Women, Aging and the Menopause”. From a newsreport dated 14/11/91.
Other Assorted Quotes “The institution of sexual intercourse is anti-feminist” — Ti-Grace Atkinson “Amazon Odyssey” (p. 86)
“[Rape] is nothing more or less than a conscious process of intimidation by which all men keep all women in a state of fear” — Susan Brownmiller (Against Our Will p. 6)
“When a woman reaches orgasm with a man she is only collaborating with the patriarchal system, eroticizing her own oppression…” — Sheila Jeffrys
Sharon Stone:
On David Letterman presenting a top ten list of ways to keep your man. “Number 10: Regularly beat him on the head with your shoe.”
“The more famous and powerful I get the more power I have to hurt men.” “Politically, I call it rape whenever a woman has sex and feels violated. You might think thats too broad. I’m not talking about sending all of you men to jail for that.” — Catherine MacKinnon “A Rally Against Rape” Feminism Unmodified
“I believe that women have a capacity for understanding and compassion which a man structurally does not have, does not have it because he cannot have it. He’s just incapable of it.” — Former Congresswoman Barbara Jordan
MALE: … represents a variant of or deviation from the category of female. ‘The first males were mutants… the male sex represents a degeneration and deformity of the female.’ MAN: … an obsolete life form… an ordinary creature who needs to be watched … a contradictory baby-man … TESTOSTERONE POISONING: … ‘Until now it has been though that the level of testosterone in men is normal simply because they have it. But if you consider how abnormal their behavior is, then you are led to the hypothesis that almost all men are suffering from “testosterone poisoning.”‘ — from A Feminist Dictionary”, ed. Kramarae and Treichler, Pandora Press, 1985
—————————————————————– ————— Letter to the Editor: “Women’s Turn to Dominate” “To Proud Feminist, (Herald-Sun, 7 February). Your last paragraph is shocking language from a feminist. You use the entrenched, revolting male stereotypes of women and rationalise your existence by saying you are neither “ugly” nor “manless”, as though either of these male-oriented judgments matter.
“Clearly you are not yet a free-thinking feminist but rather one of those women who bounce off the male-dominated, male-controlled social structures.
“Who cares how men feel or what they do or whether they suffer? They have had over 2000 years to dominate and made a complete hash of it. Now it is our turn. My only comment to men is, if you don’t like it, bad luck – and if you get in my way I’ll run you down.”
Signed: Liberated Women, Boronia Herald-Sun, Melbourne, Australia – 9 February 1996
“All sex, even consensual sex between a married couple, is an act of violence perpetrated against a woman.” Catherine MacKinnon
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“You grow up with your father holding you down and covering your mouth so another man can make a horrible searing pain between your legs.” Catherine MacKinnon (Prominent legal feminist scholar; University of Michigan, & Yale.)
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“In a patriarchal society, all heterosexual intercourse is rape because women, as a group, are not strong enough to give meaningful consent.” Catharine MacKinnon, quoted in Professing Feminism: Cautionary Tales from the Strange World of Women’s Studies.
April 16th, 2006 at 3:41 pm
“All men are rapists and that’s all they are†— Marilyn French, Author, “The Women’s Roomâ€
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — April 16, 2006 @ 3:41 pm
You are certifiable. This is pure bullshit meant to make you feel better about yourself. All men are NOT rapists, nor are most men. This comment makes me ill. That any one would say it and that you would think it an appropriate weapon to use against others who advocate EQUAL (NOT better than) rights for women. But you only see things in absolutes and that anyone who sees something as 51% over the middle is automatically advocating emasculating you. It’s not about YOU. It’s about a woman’s right to be a human being and not a baby oven. Why don’t you get that?
And for the record, Wayne has a wife. My guess is that he’s getting laid more than you.
April 16th, 2006 at 4:13 pmIt’s not about YOU.
Comment by unbelievable
No, it’s not about me, it’s about that loser Wayne. I know he’s married. And from his feminist perspective on child murder I’d say and do say that the little bastard squats to pee. End of story.
April 16th, 2006 at 4:53 pmNo, it’s not about me, it’s about that loser Wayne. I know he’s married. And from his feminist perspective on child murder I’d say and do say that the little bastard squats to pee. End of story.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — April 16, 2006 @ 4:53 pm
You know, IRI, they are called zygotes, embryos and fetuses prior to birth. They aren’t babies or children until they are born. Get you facts straight before you start slinging allegations. And in this country, abortion is legal. Until you start adopting unwanted children out of foster care, I don’t wanna hear about it. End of story.
Go eat some chocolate. It’s filled with endorphines that make you happy. Why are you always so nasty after coming from church?
April 16th, 2006 at 5:00 pm[...] In the words of ex-Exxon executive Lee Raymond, who just retired with a $400 million compensation package, including pension, stock options and other perks, such as a $1 million consulting deal, two years of home security, personal security, a car and driver, and use of a corporate jet for professional purposes, (last year Raymond made $69.7 million or $190,915 a day if you included weekends, enough to purchase 63,638 gallons of gas a day) while over-taxed middle Americans are forking over half their paychecks by spending $3 a gallon at the pumps so they can visit their relatives this Easter weekend…“We’re all in this together.†[...]
April 16th, 2006 at 5:05 pmYou know, IRI, they are called zygotes, embryos and fetuses prior to birth. They aren’t babies or children until they are born. Get you facts straight before you start slinging allegations.
Comment by unbelievable —
God says that He knew us even when we were in the womb. In fact He says He knew us before the foundation of the earth. What can I say sugar? I believe that.
April 16th, 2006 at 7:01 pmGod says that He knew us even when we were in the womb. In fact He says He knew us before the foundation of the earth. What can I say sugar? I believe that.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — April 16, 2006 @ 7:01 pm
Let’s say you are right. Then what if the abortion (cause you know they can happen a number of ways from naturally to intentionally to accidentally) was his will? By stopping the abortion, you might have stopped his will. And what is someone had stopped Puntious Pilot from crucifying Jesus as was his intention? Then what?
April 16th, 2006 at 8:58 pmDear I-R-I – The zoo was great yesterday – the giraffe’s (my special little angels favourite) were wonderful!!
How you can be so nice to that vicious, moronic B*^CH unbelievable shows you are a MUCH bigger person than me!! (Every conservative or independent thinking liberal KNOWS what a dogmatic bit of sewage Ryan Neat is.) To suggest that I would joke about the death of my child – or ANY child, is so FAR off the mark as to be UNBELIEVABLE. Simply relating what two small kids said in trying to alleviate their mother’s pain and TWISTING those words is CRUEL, AND SICKENING. i shall never respond to one of her lies or innuendo again….
April 17th, 2006 at 2:28 pmi shall never respond to one of her lies or innuendo again….
Comment by mighty aphrodite — April 17, 2006 @ 2:28 pm
I’d prefer if you’d stop making reference to me at all as well. I cannot stand what you represent.
You know you lied. And you hate me because you know that I know you lied.
A child would never linguistically mispronounce Democrat as DemoRAT.
Children copy the emotions of their parents. If you were sad and crying, they would be sad and crying. Not making stupid Little House on the Prarie style jokes.
If this were true, you’d have brought it up at Christmas, the biggest holiday – the ‘children’s’ holiday. It’s a new story.
I can’t stand people who manipulate others through the use of dead children. You are despicable.
April 17th, 2006 at 2:39 pm[...] Trickle Down This, Suckas! by Ryan @ 12:55 pm. Filed under corporate corruption ThinkProgress: Average Americans are struggling to keep up with persistently high gas prices, now approaching $3 a gallon. Testifying before Congress last November, Exxon CEO Lee Raymond blamed the problem on “global supply and demand†and assured the public that “we’re all in this together.â€Last year, Raymond made due with “a total compensation package†of just $69.7 million or $190,915 a day, including weekends. [...]
April 17th, 2006 at 4:31 pmApril 17th, 2006 at 6:44 pm
Highly recommend the book, “Corporate Governance“, by Robert Monks and Nell Minow.
April 18th, 2006 at 1:40 amDue Compensation at Exxon? …
Although he has been taking some flak from a few pundits who have squawked that his $400 million retirement package is excessive, when you crunch the numbers it turns out that Raymond is grossly underpaid….
April 18th, 2006 at 9:02 amHow you can be so nice to that vicious, moronic B*^CH unbelievable shows you are a MUCH bigger person than me!!
Yes, it’s true, I am a wonderful, caring, moderate and sexy person. Actually, I think it’s pretty hot when you two girls fight so please, carry on. What do you guys think about jello wrestling?
(Every conservative or independent thinking liberal KNOWS what a dogmatic bit of sewage Ryan Neat is.)
Comment by mighty aphrodite
Yep, he’s something else all right. I’ve never met a Hindu transvestite before. “Think Communist” really rocks!
April 18th, 2006 at 10:43 amDid you watch Jon Stewart last night? He ragged on Lee Raymond by showing the insides of his jowl. Plus his teeth look cruddy. He can spend his “hard earned” money on 2 pounds of food a day, but he can’t spend any of it on either a dentist or Weight Watchers.
April 18th, 2006 at 5:04 pmPeople, stop wasting your time writing your thoughts and opinions here. Write your congressmen and women, your house representatives. Voice your concerns and outrage to them and insist on their immediate action. Most are coming up for re-election, make it clear what you expect for your continued support. Bush said it in his first term state of the union address “a child born today may be driving and alternative fuel vehicle when they become of age to driveâ€. I think for most states that’s 16 to 18 years. Note: He said MAY, not, most likely, should, will or must. I think he was very clear that he wants the 15 plus year obsolete combustion engine to remain our primary means of transport for another 16 plus years. Ever think that if the US or even world were to free itself of Oil dependence that nobody would real have to worry about the middle east anymore. Because if they could not sell their oil they would not have all that money to buy weapons. Of course since we didn’t need their oil we would not have to have our troops over there getting killed by those weapon that they wouldn’t have. Sure everyone cries about the natural gas, electric, and gas price increases but what are we really doing about it. Start watching and reading news from other countries and what they are doing (like the BBC). Of course they are going to be bias, and promote their own country as better than others, but if you but that aside and just listen you will find out a whole lot that our news just seems to omit from their presentation of the events. Other countries are facing similar issues but they are working to solve their problems not cover then up with ignorance and greed. Good example is Sweden, they are using all types of alternative energy sources. Wind, Solar, Geothermal, Biomass, Nuclear, Hydro Electric, and other sources. They have reduced their Oil dependence by 70% and are planning hit 0% by 2010. They have gotten laws passed that taxed pollution, the more you pollute the more tax you pay. What does United States do?, we give Oil companies massive tax breaks to build more refineries to process more oil and creates more pollution in and effort for them to reduce fuel prices to us. All, while they are making record profits in the tens of billions. Why does the government even allow auto manufactures to produce and market vehicles that can’t even barely get 10MPG. Because they want you to buy them and use more gas so that the Oil corporations get rich and line everyone’s pockets with money except for us dumb down public. Leave no child behind, that hysterical, there is a reason that our children are not being educated properly and the US news stations fill us with stupid news stories (you know the ones..OJ, M Jackson, Shivo) for weeks at a time. Its called a diversion, and we talk about other countries with Political propaganda and miss-information. We need to find, explore and implement alternative energy sources and reduce our dependence on oil now, not in 5, 10 or 15 years. Has anyone of you possibly ever wondered exactly how much oil is left, and what happens if it runs out tomorrow? So look around, educate yourself, carefully examine what your elected officials are doing for you or for the person lining their pockets. It’s public record of the bills passed and how they voted. Personal I think the longer these elected officials remain in office the more likely they are to be enticed into wrong doings. They learn how to work the system to their benefit. I believe that is exactly the reason it is required for them to be re-elected, you remember learning in school the checks and balances in government. If they are not doing what you want put someone new in there, stop voting for them just because they are already in there and you know their name. Everyone’s vote matters make you voice heard out the not in here on this bulletin.
April 19th, 2006 at 1:32 amEveryone’s vote matters make you voice heard out the not in here on this bulletin.
Comment by Andre —
Two things Andre; first, your vote doesn’t mean squat in this country. Second please learn to use paragraphs. Thank you.
April 19th, 2006 at 9:05 am#229 – Damn I-R-I, Mr. Aphrodite said the SAME thing – but he knew the Unbelievable b*^ch didn’t stand a chance. He gave me the whole “mother bear” and “aderenaline and lifting the car” line – not surprising, he was right again….
April 19th, 2006 at 12:09 pmDamn I-R-I, Mr. Aphrodite said the SAME thing – but he knew the Unbelievable b*^ch didn’t stand a chance. He gave me the whole “mother bear†and “aderenaline and lifting the car†line – not surprising, he was right again….
Comment by mighty aphrodite — April 19, 2006 @ 12:09 pm
I knew you couldn’t go two days without saying my name. You have no spine, it’s to be expected.
You really are sick. Wayne doesn’t go around speaking about Jane like a hand puppet, or vice versa. Not only do you NOT have children, there is no husband. If there were, and he were a conservative, he would be in here speaking for himself. Republican men don’t let women speak for them. You’re a terrible liar.
For once and all, you said that your imaginary husband thought there was a real chance for me and IRI. So, are you lying now or then? Either way, you’re a liar, and delusional, and insane.
#215
FYI, Mr. Aprodite says he thinks you have a real chance with unbelievable. He says, “I married a liberal – and look – she’s a card-carrying Aphrodite.†He said you should be so lucky – wink,wink…
Comment by mighty aphrodite — February 2, 2006 @ 7:41 pm
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/02/dont-take-bush-literally/
April 19th, 2006 at 1:47 pmWhat do you guys think about jello wrestling?
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — April 18, 2006 @ 10:43 am
About the same as you would of the idea of you and Ryan doing it.
April 19th, 2006 at 1:50 pmI’m not here.
April 19th, 2006 at 3:13 pmNeither is MA…
April 19th, 2006 at 5:41 pmThe people that hold the oil contracts control the cost per barrel of crude.
April 20th, 2006 at 12:50 amIf the cost per barrel goes down the oil companies will loose money. congress needs
to go after the trust, and break it like we did with getty oil.
The government should have never let Exxon ,and Moble oil merge together, because that is in direct conflict with anti-trust laws previousley established.
We need to let the people that we voted for Know that we will not tolerate monopolies.
[...] From Think Progress: [...]
April 22nd, 2006 at 2:56 pmExxon will not get another penny from me! Gonna buy all my gas from companies that purchase only domestic oil!!
Taking about Rumsfield on this website???
Why do you whiny ass liberals post your B.S. everywhere it is inappropriate
April 22nd, 2006 at 5:58 pmI haven’t bought gas from Exxon or any other company in 3.5 years. Sold my car and moved to Tokyo. Can take the trains, subway, bus or bicycle to anywhere I wanna go.
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:14 pmWe can blame ourselves… Hell, when gas hit $3/gal last time, I saw poor rednecks driving like bats-outta-hell in their jacked up 4X4’s doing 75 mph on highways posted with 55mph… ALL THE TIME… I guess if they can afford to drive gas-guzzler vehicles like that, then gas maybe isnt too high????
April 24th, 2006 at 5:32 amWhat would happen if one morning we decided to stay home and not show up for work, school, or any of our other activities and parked our vehicles for 2 days. also the citizens of this country didn’t purchase any gasoline or diesel fuel what so ever for these 2 days. Do you think this would show them we wont stand for their bull crap anymore? Maybe someone could get something organized, to shut down the pumps for a few days. I realize most Americans ( myself included) can’t afford to miss work, but we cant afford even more to pay the rediculous rising of fuel. where will it end? It wont.
April 24th, 2006 at 8:02 pmdb/wv
This is really getting ridiculous. Why doesn’t he use some of that 190K to pay to lower gas prices? Honestly, I don’t care what he’s got to say. The fact that he makes mre in one day than normal people do in a lifetime is enough to make me want to hit him.
April 26th, 2006 at 3:38 pmThis is really getting ridiculous. Why doesn’t he use some of that 190K to pay to lower gas prices? Honestly, I don’t care what he’s got to say. The fact that he makes mre in one day than normal people do in a lifetime is enough to make me want to hit him.
April 26th, 2006 at 3:39 pmThis is really getting ridiculous. Why doesn’t he use some of that 190K to pay to lower gas prices? Honestly, I don’t care what he’s got to say. The fact that he makes mre in one day than normal people do in a lifetime is enough to make me want to hit him.
April 26th, 2006 at 3:39 pmUgh. Almost makes me wish we could go back to the horse-and-buggy days.
It’s high time big corporations were held accountable for their actions. This kind of excess is just sickening.
April 26th, 2006 at 6:00 pm[...] Think Progress has more on this, and even The New York Times weighed in on the issue. [...]
May 16th, 2006 at 9:52 pm[...] Dutifully, Burnett recently wrote an editorial defending former Exxon CEO Lee Raymond’s lavish compensation (which amounted to $190,000 a day in 2005). He failed to mention his financial connection to the company. [...]
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:08 pm[...] Dutifully, Burnett recently wrote an editorial defending former Exxon CEO Lee Raymond’s lavish compensation (which amounted to $190,000 a day in 2005). He failed to mention his financial connection to the company. [...]
May 28th, 2006 at 10:29 pmHOG’S GET “FAT” PIGS GET “SLAUGHTERED” LEE RAYMOND’S DAY WILL COME!!!
June 3rd, 2006 at 11:44 amf it wasn’t for empowering women, the government wouldn’t be so powerful.
See, it all started with empowering women, first they got to vote, then they started working (they have actually lowered the wages of the middle class by flooding the market with females). Then along came socialist, Marxist feminists, to take women out of the family, to divorce the fathers of their children and diminish his influence on them. 90% of the time the children go to the mother, and the father supports his expulsion from the family, by paying them money. He is a once a weekend father if he is lucky.
Then in 1980 an unexpected thing happened in this egalitarian, communist utopia where men and women, women and women, men and men are all interchangeable (not really feminist utopia dream, GI Jane entertainment etc), crime started going through the roof. See, 85% of today’s criminals are byproducts of the bastardization and fornication of society. The fruit of fatherlessness is poverty and crime. 75% of single American mothers live below the poverty line! Where is the empowerment in that? Why should men be forced to fund womens empowerment from them? Shouldn’t the all powerful manly woman be able to fund herself, without welfare, child support and alimony checks? I mean, if she is superwoman and all.
(Remember it was the female vote that got Hitler into power)
So now we need a bigger government than ever to make women feel safe again. What does the liberal media do about the problem? They drive women away from the very men that are suppose to protect them, by over emphasing domestic violence (studies show women are just as violent as men, men just do more damage, if women hit men should be able to defend themselves and hit back, as long as there is no bruising or a hospital visit and it must be open handed, never treat a woman like you would treat a man, but a man should be able to let a woman know when she has crossed the line, I have had women throw dishes at me, scratch me until I bleed, spit in my face, hit me in the face, scream at me, belittle me, what can I do? Just stand there and take it? I sure did) 50% of the time the woman starts the fight. Women are more likely to physically abuse their children, studies have shown. 1 in 4 women have not be raped, that is a myth, that would mean their is 90 million rapists in America today, when there are only 15,000 rape convictions in America, with 80,000 accusations. Rape has the lowest conviction rape of any of the major crimes.
Now the government is the largest employer of Americans in America, thanks to women. It is only that they vote for this taxathon to feel safe, safe like when a good husband is there to defend her with his life and limb. In fact to protect the whole family, empowered sniveling women forget to remember. A man in the house decreases a rape in the house by 99%. A murder by 85% percent. Child abduction by 99%.
Please don’t forget there for every 11 men with an IQ over 170, there is 1 woman. In 8th grade 13 boys for every 1 girl qualify for advanced math. Why are we empowering the middle of the pack? It is actually hurting us. I have heard of female engineers graduating with d’s, are now supervisors of men that excelled and got honors and A’s. She makes more than them aswell and knows nothing hardly about what she is doing. Political correctness gone berserk.
In my estimate the other 15% that are from the two parent system, made the mistake of becoming friends with those from single mother households and got lead astray. Or from abusive two parent systems, being poor is also a contributor.
http://www.fathers.bc.ca/feminist_quotes.htm
This website will tell you what feminists think about men, and their designs to destroy marriage, and to create a global village, where taxation is the means by which children are raised to serve the global agendacide.
Studies have shown that women are happiest married with loving husbands, why are feminists trying to ruin that? To keep their jobs, and their book contracts, and their agenda?
So in the end we can safely blame the problems with big government, big debt (9 trillion dollars), huge corporate machine (big government and back room deals), on women’s empowerment.
What did the elite get from this windfall? Lower wages, as women are now in the workforce competing for the same jobs, now they can afford to pay three women to do a job that would pay nicely one man.
What did the government gain? Reduction in population, as they are worried about the environment of too many mouths to feed, (not the rape of the earth by the Corporate Machine) as women that work, focus on that and not breeding. (smaller population easier to control) Larger tax base, now they can borrow more money to keep us in debt to the puppet masters, the international bankers. They have not a county, no allegiance, their only motive is gain.
So in the end, we need a small government, interested in “WE The Peopleâ€, not “We the Bankers.†Remember it took feminists 52 years from the time women got the vote, until they began the (now) 3,000 a day slaughter of the unborn, to protect a job in a cubicle on the 33th floor making 22k a year. Nothing short of legalized murder. (for profit)
Empowering men, empowering the middle class Patriarchy, not the Elite White Men, will bring balance and harmony to a world set to the polices of those global interests, that are not in the best interests of America. Empowering the average man, to instill the values needed to be a leader, can bring about change on every level.
Children’s contact with their fathers actually brings down crime, drug use, teenage pregnancies, and improves grades. Let us stop destroying America, let us all be Pro-Life and Pro-Family. The other way was not working, let us make a change!!!! God bless you all!!!!
July 4th, 2006 at 6:11 pmhttp://www.verlch.blogspot.com for more info…
Ole Patriarch is at it again! We gotta put the women down! Grab ‘em by the hair, pull ‘em into the dirt and rape ‘em good…then they will be humbled and all will be right with the world!
August 8th, 2006 at 12:49 pmWOW!!!
August 19th, 2006 at 7:06 pmDUDE
Bredon get real. Rape is not cool, neither is false rape allegations, there are as many rapes as there are false allegations by attention whores and other.
I believe women should stay home, as working women do not have enough babies to sustain the human race.
August 24th, 2006 at 1:04 amPlease spare me…he makes his views about women pretty clear…and I quote: “I have no problem with women working. Although I do have a problem with paying child support and alimony to ex-wives that no longer put out, or do anything for their ex husbands. It is a waste when that money should go to support the new children and wife in the next relationship. Children should automatically go to the father, and our famous feminist bitches would figure out a way to save the marriage. Perhaps she would cook more, put out more, do the duties of a good wife, more, etc.
Nowadays having the children go to those who can least afford it, is, well a complete disaster. Men are being treated like sperm donors and wallets, I’m sick of it. I want a bitch that is loyal to me, and the family. Not a woman that just needs a sperm donor, or a wallet. To me that is heartless, despite the fact said behavior happens with reckless abandon.”
August 25th, 2006 at 2:45 pmYou can read about it all there, sure.
http://www.verlch.blogspot.com
Come join the fun!!!!
August 29th, 2006 at 9:14 pmJoin the fun at ihatewomenandamaclosethomosexual.com !
August 29th, 2006 at 9:28 pmIs it brenda or Brenden, I cannever remember.
I didn’t know your were a homo and hated women. Wow dudette, I’m worried about you!
September 8th, 2006 at 3:28 pmI didn’t know your were a homo and hated women. Wow dudette, I’m worried about you!
Comment by Patriarch Velrch — September 8, 2006 @ 3:28 pm
Dude…now you know thats YOUR website. I’m a straight woman- loving man…
October 15th, 2006 at 2:49 amLET’S DO OUR OWN PROTEST AND DO NOT, I REPEAT DO NOT BUY GAS FROM EXXON-MOBILE. GO TO YOUR LITTLE RINKY DINK JOINTS THAT HAVE AS GOOD AS GAS AS THE MAJOR DEALERS AND USUALLY CHEAPER. FOLKS WE CAN HURT THEIR POCKETS IF THIS IS PASSED ON. SO WHAT DO YA THINK.
Comment by bs — April 14, 2006 @ 11:19 am
I, personally, think “bs” has a good idea…
December 7th, 2006 at 10:50 pm