Steve Forbes: “When We Have The Confrontation” With Iran, “The Price of Oil Will Come Down”
Steve Forbes: “When We Have The Confrontation” With Iran, “The Price of Oil Will Come Down”
Appearing on Fox News this weekend, Steve Forbes said the way to lower gas prices is to “have the confrontation with Iran.” Forbes warned Fox viewers that “the longer we let it fester, the higher the price of oil will stay.” Watch it:
(HT: Breaking Blue)
Transcript:
FORBES: Well, it’s interesting. And about $15 a barrel on the price of oil today is worry about Iran, that crisis.
HOST: So, without Iran, the price of oil would be $15 less per barrel is what you’re saying.
FORBES: Yes, it would. There is real uncertainty, huge producer. But the bottom line with Iran is, when we have the confrontation, which we will have, we can really deal with that crisis. Then the price of oil will come down. The longer we let it fester, the higher the price of oil will stay.
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Forbes is anther rich bumm that would benefit from a war in Iran.
April 17th, 2006 at 10:06 amIdiot.
April 17th, 2006 at 10:07 amPlease tell me he will be running in 2008 on a conservative independent platform with this nonsense. The Dems just might need his help.
April 17th, 2006 at 10:07 amI can’t wait to pay $5.00 a gallon gas. And another quarter of record oil company profits. Ah well. Let’s continue to rattle the markets with reckless provocations like Mr. Forbes suggests.
April 17th, 2006 at 10:09 amHey steve, that’s what you said about IRAQ!……LIER.
April 17th, 2006 at 10:09 amwow! fox news abandoned the question mark for an exclamation mark. it’s all but inevitable now.
April 17th, 2006 at 10:09 amWell, since you put it like that Mr. Forbes, let’s do it, but first, a word from our sponsors…
April 17th, 2006 at 10:10 amExxon Mobile, here to save the day.
Okay, now we’re back, and I just have one more question.
Steve Forbes, are you on crack?
We get to bomb Iran and my giant useless 4×4 costs less to run! Everybody wins!
April 17th, 2006 at 10:12 amit’s all but inevitable now.
Comment by pgw — April 17, 2006 @ 10:09 am
I saw the tagline for an online article that suggested the war had already begun in secret. I’m not that paranoid, so I didn’t read it. But, I wouldn’t at all be surprised if they are gearing up.
April 17th, 2006 at 10:13 amSteve Forbes is a nutball… If you watch him much on Fox, he really spouts some bizzare stuff. But, than again, for Fox, it isn’t that bizzare I guess.
April 17th, 2006 at 10:15 amHoo boy - this is a hard one to believe. The price of oil will stay nice and high - and the oil companies love it that way, as do Bush and Cheney (how do you think ExxonMobile managed to run its record multi-billion dollar profit scheme last year?).
The only worry the oil pigs have is that high prices will lead to a reduction in demand as people switch to fuel-efficient cars and/or biofuels. A delicate balancing act indeed.
April 17th, 2006 at 10:18 am“When We Have The Confrontation†With Iran, “The Price of Oil Will Come Down†- - That’s a permeating syllogism, Steverino.
April 17th, 2006 at 10:20 amThey wouldn’t have the nerve to go into Iran when our military are stretched so thin.
I guess I wouldn’t put anything past these jerks.
April 17th, 2006 at 10:20 amWhat is in the water that these guys drink?
April 17th, 2006 at 10:21 amSelling world war with the lower gas price advertisement.
April 17th, 2006 at 10:22 amSure effing thing, peoples lives in exchange for a lie.
As stupid as junior is, I doubt even he would bite.
Wow…what a genius. THen again, it is easy to be a genius when you completely block out all evidence to the contrary. Evidence like the fact oil prices started shooting up again when it was mentioned Bush is going to invade Iran no matter what. Evidence, such as, oil prices always go up when there is a new war in the middle east. Evidence such as people jumping on the bandwagon early and buying oil because they know it will be going up even higher, not because they want to buy oil expensive and see it go down.
April 17th, 2006 at 10:22 amSTFU Forbes…yeah and when you are wrong you will be saying
ITS GOOD THAT WE ARE AT WAR WITH IRAN BECAUSE GAS PRICES HAVE GNE UP AND IT HELPS THE ECONOMY
These people are all frauds……I bet he has NEVER fill a gas tank in his life!!!!
April 17th, 2006 at 10:23 amI swear Fox News looks more and more like the CARTOON NETWORK every day.
April 17th, 2006 at 10:26 amYes and dropping nukes on the oil fields will make the petrol we get from them that much more potent /sarcasm
April 17th, 2006 at 10:30 amInvading Iraq sure has done wonders for the price of oil……why not invade Iran and make it a twofer?
April 17th, 2006 at 10:30 amGeneral Motors will go out of business and all you will see on the highways will be Hybrid Toyatas when gasoline hits $5 a gallon.
What else would a fascist say. God bless the US dollar!
April 17th, 2006 at 10:39 amUsing this logic, we should invade / bomb / nuke (your choice) any country with goods we need. Obviously, the price of those goods will do down. Is there a slight logical breakdown in this argument? Steve must have missed logic 101 when he was off counting his millions in the bomb celler.
April 17th, 2006 at 10:40 amLet’s see. If fighting Iran will knock $15 off the price of a barrel of oil, what would a fight with Saudi Arabia do? Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, maybe Venuzela, Norway? Norway has North Sea oil. Pretty soon, we have this god damn thing down to zero. Who said repukes don’t have brains?
April 17th, 2006 at 10:45 amLet it fester.
The higher oil goes, the more people will change their habits and consume less.
Less consumption has got to be better.
$5.00/gallon might not be high enough.
April 17th, 2006 at 10:47 amFunny! It just hit $70 a barrel on the Asian market.
Do you love the sound of a paradigm shift in the morning?
April 17th, 2006 at 10:49 amI think some of Steve’s daughters are of fighting age.
April 17th, 2006 at 10:56 amForbes on Fox: Think the opposite and you’ll be closer to the truth.
April 17th, 2006 at 10:57 amThat’s what you assholes said about Iraq, Dickhead!
April 17th, 2006 at 10:58 amAND “Iraq’s oil will pay for the war”.
This is the guy that advocated the adoption of a flat tax during his presidential bids in 1996 and 2000. Please don’t tell me that anyone other than extreme right Republicans are going to even entertain the thought of taking him seriously.
April 17th, 2006 at 11:08 amThese guys are basically thick.
The Iranian chap is a dumbass and so is Bush, so is Thabo for that matter but at least he is sort of a sane dumbass. It is time for the world to stop listening to dumbasses.
We need to come to a new age, when people with common sense, you know, the sorts of people who don’t believe that war makes goods cheaper or that it takes zero capital to rebuild an oil field, start supporting other people with common sense. Right now, the whole world seems to be in the incapable hands of the dumbasses.
April 17th, 2006 at 11:09 amThis is idiotic crap but par for the course. The neocons went on a media blitiz last week selling Bush’s Iran war, which he has already started.
April 17th, 2006 at 11:22 amYes but Bruce look what it does for unemployment! Wow, thinking like a republican hurts my head!
April 17th, 2006 at 11:26 amIf brains were dynamite, Steve Forbes couldn’t blow his nose!!!
April 17th, 2006 at 11:27 amGosh gee whillikers, Steve. I can’t wait to pay six dollars a gallon. You must have some stock in a few oil companies including ExxonMobile. If the US nukes Iraq, does that mean new oil fields for you and your oil cronies? You and Lee Raymond must be hunted down like the dogs you are. If only Tony Soprano wasn’t a fictional character.
April 17th, 2006 at 11:29 amListen, Lee Raymond, head of ExxonMobil needs the money to pay for liposuction in that enourmously flabby double chin of his. The surgery is estimated at 399 million dollars. That leaves him with only 1 million dollars profit for this year!
Please, can we have some Christian compassion for this man.
-GSD
April 17th, 2006 at 11:35 amI guess $5+ per gallon gas isn’t much to you when you have half the money in the world. Get a grip, Forbes.
April 17th, 2006 at 11:37 amI think America would be much better off if Steve Forbes’ properties were bombed instead.
As far as I’m concerned, this extreme imperialist talk by Forbes is treasonous, and hanging isn’t a good enough response.
April 17th, 2006 at 11:38 amyeah that makes sense stevie boy. make war with part of the middle east, watch oil prices more than double. make war with another part of the middle east, watch oil prices fall…what better way to bring down oil prices than piss off the people who control it…it’s that kind of brilliant thinking AND A FAT INHERITANCE that made you a very rich man.
April 17th, 2006 at 11:43 amYou mean as with Iraq? Thank God!
Btw, Assclowns of the Week, Easter Uprising Edition, is up for your amusement or bemusement. I’m watching the Red Sox now.
April 17th, 2006 at 11:51 amHey! who took my tin foil hat??
flat tax anyone?
April 17th, 2006 at 11:53 amI translate Forbes comment as a proffered carrot: the marketeers will allow the price of oil to fall after the Regime does what it is going to do.
Resistance is futile, it will only cost you money.
April 17th, 2006 at 11:58 amWhat a disappointment Steve Forbes has become. From being something of an original thinker, he has not stopped thinking at all. This comment that the conflict with Iran is inevitable is nothing short of crazy.
April 17th, 2006 at 12:01 pmNothing like a nuclear first strike to bring low, low prices.
April 17th, 2006 at 12:01 pmWhen handed kool-aid and urged to drink it by the media giant Fox…we should all stand up and beware. Evil abounds in many forms, including “voices of reason” like Steve Forbes. Surely a man who has so much money must know, RIght?
Oh wait, he made it fooling the little people. Crooks, liars, thieves and charltons all. Now I understand how Rome could burn while Nero fiddled…. only a few were seated at the table of abundance, like today. The air there must be pretty heady.
April 17th, 2006 at 12:02 pmWhat a fool!
April 17th, 2006 at 12:06 pmThe Forbes’ NeoCon dogma; It is about a twisted ‘marxist’ type of social engineering in the mask of ‘democracy’. Forbes is a neocon with chaotic economic libertarian leanings. His GREED and desire for MORE MONEY and materialistic desires won’t be stopped by any human suffering. Nuke away NeoCons as we destroy the humanity and the earth…. oh well, time to go fill up the Hummer…
April 17th, 2006 at 12:08 pmWell, Mr. Forbes… when Iran attack back to Europe and the USA…Why do I want the oil at lower prices??? Will problaby be all dead, !!estupido capullo!!!
Greetings from Spain, man… stop this guys from tihnking out loud…!!!! :-(
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April 17th, 2006 at 12:13 pmWhy do you care steve, you’ll NEVER have to worry about the price of gas for your car,now will you. Does your limo run on bio-fuel?
April 17th, 2006 at 12:15 pmYep. And pigs will fly and the dinosaur will come back and Isreal and Palestine will become
April 17th, 2006 at 12:19 pmallies.
If you are not already aware, visit:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm
to know more specifically the intent of the ‘Project for a New American Century’ of which Forbes is an active member. Be sure to check out the membership and the memo to President Clinton re: actions that should be taken against Iraq, circa 1998 and the signees. We should be very concerned that these people are ruining (oops that should say, running) our country.
April 17th, 2006 at 12:24 pmFlat Tax steve who strongly supports the American Caste System ……
April 17th, 2006 at 12:26 pmNow, I guess, were REALLY trading blood for oil.
I’d rather have gas at $5.00-$10.00 per gallon so that buses, carpooling, vanpooling, trains (both commuter and light rail) and biking to work/school is the preferred method.
Then, FINALLY gas will go down to $1.00 per gallon or less, like it was in the summer of 1998.
April 17th, 2006 at 12:38 pmThis is the exact same thing Rupert Murdoch said would happen after Invasion Iraq.
April 17th, 2006 at 12:39 pmCan we send Steve Forbes to Iran instead? It’d be much cleaner and much less expensive…
April 17th, 2006 at 12:41 pmYeah, let’s take Iran’s oil supply offline with a protracted ground war and insurgency. GUARANTEED to bring the price of oil down. WORKED GREAT in Iraq.
April 17th, 2006 at 12:46 pmThis is Bush base.
April 17th, 2006 at 12:54 pmSteve should consider that Iran may nuke him,
who said that they do not have nukes.
Sure they have and means of delivery.
As You can see they just inviting these
idiots to strike
He always looked to me as if he was mentally challenged, now a I am convinced that he is warped.
April 17th, 2006 at 1:07 pmI thought the oil companies said it was the price of ethanol that was driving high prices…………hey Forbes, let’s think about nuking Nebraska
April 17th, 2006 at 1:08 pmHang them all!
April 17th, 2006 at 1:11 pmI just don’t even know what to say that hasn’t already been said on this thread. If Forbes thinks that bombing Iran will bring down the price of oil, then he is totally out of touch with reality.
I am going to shake my head, get a soda, and try not to worry about foriegn policy for a bit.
April 17th, 2006 at 1:12 pmHe always looked to me as if he was mentally challenged, now a I am convinced that he is warped.
He’s a robot. His steely gaze reminds me of the souless eyes of a shark.
April 17th, 2006 at 1:13 pmWith such high profile idiots on such high profile irresponsible TV channels where they display no balance, is there any wonder that the Americans are being systematically brain washed into believing that War and Bombs will always fix all their problems?
Has anyone in Fox or any other media researched or investigated mr. Forbes background, investment portfolio and affiliation of many organizations he supports?
Has every media in America been bought and paid for?
I look forward to the day that the ordinary intelligent, caring Americans take the rains at Whitehouse again! Unless this happens very soon, there maybe nothing left for our children but shame, poverty and misery instigated by this bunch of idiots!
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April 17th, 2006 at 1:20 pmWhat if Iran was to use some of those snazzy missiles they have to take out their own oil fields? It would keep the price of oil high, AND take away BushCo’s real motivation for attacking them. True, it wouldn’t do much for Iran’s economy, but they could rebuild, and Bush would be out of office by then. It would be better than Bush nuking them.
April 17th, 2006 at 1:25 pmain’t it grand when protected, isolated, blowhards with absolujtely nothing at stake come to cavalier conclusions to expend other people’s blood.
April 17th, 2006 at 1:50 pm.
LIKE IRAN’S FIRST RESPONSE WOULDN’T BE THE DESTRUCTION OF THE SAUDI AND IRAQI OIL FIELDS.
WHAT A POCKMARKED DOPE.
April 17th, 2006 at 1:58 pmBush won’t attack Iran because, true to the coward’s code, they won’t fight someone who will likely fight back.
April 17th, 2006 at 2:00 pmWhat did he say that isn’t true, exactly?
While the truth may not be pretty the guy is absolutely saying the truth and nothing more.
April 17th, 2006 at 2:03 pmRemember, Steve Forbes is the guy who was one of the Republican biggies who met in Crawford right after the 2000 Supreme Court election. When asked what they talked about, Forbes said “We’re going to get as much as we can as fast as we can.” This was quoted once, and dropped.
He was right on in that case. If he thinks oil prices will go down after an Iran-US confrontation then he is probably speaking for more than himself. They’re probably dead wrong, of course, but that doesn’t matter; it’s what they’re thinking that counts.
But who wants oil prices down, and do they carry the day in the Cheney-Bush circle? Do oil companies want lower crude prices? I don’t know.
April 17th, 2006 at 2:03 pm“when we have the confrontation, which we will have, we can really deal with that crisis. Then the price of oil will come down. The longer we let it fester, the higher the price of oil will stay. ”
Look at the bright side. With gas at $10/gallon there will be more room on the roads for my extra wide, 5000lb, 12 mi/gal. gas guzzling, 4X4 pickup with the “Easy Rider Rifle Rack”. Between the idiotic laws that require a blended gas determined by your location, the idiotic laws that prevent new refineries from being built. the idiotic Left Wing that will not get behind the war against Islamofascist Oil ticks and crazed religious leaders there is nothing to stop $10 gal gas whether we bomb Iran or not.
We might as well go on in there and take them over and this time not spend a lot of time trying to save lives, rebuild infrastructure and please the Europeans. Let’s just go in there and kill them and steal the oil. It’s what Thomas Jefferson would do.
April 17th, 2006 at 2:09 pmSTEVE suffered from oxygen depravation ! he cant think now!! personally i hope the gas prices go sky high!! maybe that will push people to start driving fuel efficient cars and trash the SUV’s and Hummers!! and force the auto industry to finally make the change!!
April 17th, 2006 at 2:10 pmWell, he said “confrontation” not war which could mean anything. Not that anything other than war has much of a chance when you’re dealing with religious fundamentalist radical muslims.
One way or another they’ll have to be dealt with. They’re calling for the destruction of Israel, they’re building nukes, and their figurehead leader is a radical fundamentalist. Of course we’ll have to deal with them. Anybody who thinks otherwise has their head up their ass.
April 17th, 2006 at 2:13 pmRight… I guess Mr. Forbes thinks the gas will flow out of Iran in the same huge outpours it is flowing now out of Iraq.
As of December 2005, Iraqi net oil production was averaging a modest 1,9-million barrels per day (bpd) according to the latest country report on Iraq compiled by the US government’s Energy Information Agency (EIA).
This is well below production levels of an estimated 2,3-million bpd in January 2003 just before the US-led military operation to bring down the Saddam Hussein regime.
The December number is also well below the near 3,5-million-bpd production level prior to Iraq’s 1990 invasion and seven-month occupation of Kuwait that led to the 1991 Gulf War.
Iraqi oil production choked for years
Do these people ever read the news? How exactly would a war have an immediate positive effect on oil supplies and prices?
What is interesting is that a warhawk is openly peddling another invasion of a sovereign country as a war over natural resources.
April 17th, 2006 at 2:13 pmI absolutly agree with him. The only way to bring down the price of oil is to remove the uncertainty from the market.
April 17th, 2006 at 2:16 pmAllah willing, we will crush the infidels all over the world. We have things that you can not even dream about. Holy islam is the only way.
April 17th, 2006 at 2:20 pmThis is just great. Not only will we get cheaper gas, but we can recycle the designation of a military operation—OIL (Operation Iraqi Liberation, changed to Operation Iraqi Freedom).
April 17th, 2006 at 2:26 pmLet’s hear it for Operation Iranian Liberation! The first op went so well….
IRI….. i bet you wear a wife-beater t-shirt too!!!
April 17th, 2006 at 2:29 pmHe’s right insofar as the (oil, or any) market buys the rumor and sells the fact. In the run up to the first gulf war, crude prices went from less than $20 to more than $40, but when the bombs fell the price dropped back to $20.
I’m sure that’s the basis of his argument. But, it’s a false argument. Had there been no war, the price wouldn’t have been up to later go down. Same thing now: No talk of Iran war, no increase in price.
The fact is that if the U.S. were to say it were ending the conflict in Iraq and pulling out of the Middle East entirely, the price of oil would drop at least in half over night.
April 17th, 2006 at 2:30 pmThe combination of ignorance, militarism and faschism is indeed high octaine fuel. Does Steve need some photos to see where that combination lead for Japan, Germany and Italy?
April 17th, 2006 at 2:31 pm#26 - “I think some of Steve’s daughters are of fighting age.” Comment by Quisp
****Excellent observation, Quisp!!! But allow me to take your point one step further. How’s this for a proposal? Unless you or an immediate family member (your WWII dad doesn’t count, boomers!!) have served in the armed services, you are prohibited from purchasing gasoline. Think of how much more room I-R-I will have on the road….
April 17th, 2006 at 2:41 pmWhat an idiot. He obviously has placed a wager (investment) on something tangentile. It doesn’t seem to make any economic sense. Possibly it could be good ol’ fashioned propaganda. What an idiot. My guess is the koolaid was grape.
April 17th, 2006 at 2:43 pmMIGHTY HYPOCRITE…. be carefull… your suggestion might actually lead to longer lives for us that walk and ride bikes and early death to those fat-asses who cant walk to the end of the drive-way to get their mail!
April 17th, 2006 at 2:50 pmi can see your butt getting bigger as we speak!
#83 - Thanks Meg - A very healthy reaponse indeed. But if all the past and present active duty personnel are dead, who will defend your ass???? White hankies, anyone???
April 17th, 2006 at 2:55 pmOhhh, Geeez.
Mr. Forbes should know that he is hardly what I would call a talented American. I don’t think that he would be enjoying the wealth he currently does if he did not have certain advantages. His father built just about all that this guy has. If he were from an average American household, he would be going to a community or state college and not doing exceptionally well. I don’t see him being talented enough to have picked up extroadinary skills (that his father posessed) all by himself.
Which is why most thinking people would ignore him. But those impressed with wealth, such as our current executive branch leadership, tend to pay attention to fools like Mr. Forbes.
As many others have pointed out, the facts have proven his premise to be wrong. If such a mission so miserably failed in Iraq (which was a secular, multi-tribal country that was never seriously unitifed except by dictatorship), then how could it ever succeeed in Iran? Iran is a fundamentalist religious government that is well unified against external pressures. It’s a real “You and me against the world” attitude there.
Forbes’ faulty statement is a serious attempt to buy public support for an Iranian conflict, and it’s totally irresponsible. This guy should be slapped. This is just stupid.
April 17th, 2006 at 2:58 pmMIGHTY HYPOCRITE… I nominate you!!!
April 17th, 2006 at 3:02 pm[…] UPDATE: Here is a Republican’s way to get prices under control. […]
April 17th, 2006 at 3:04 pmWasn’t invading Iraq supposed to bring down oil prices?
And to Michael who wrote:
How about fast-tracking a Brazil-scale biofuel program? Wouldn’t that remove some uncertainly from the market? On the other hand, we can also eliminate the uncertainty by first invading Iran, then take over Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Malaysia and Indonesia. Finally, we can take over all the South American countries with large oil reserves. Boy, we could really eliminate a lot of market uncerainties if we just put our minds to it!
April 17th, 2006 at 3:05 pmThe price of oil has gone up because of this administration’s saber rattling. Someone please duct tape their mouths SHUT. And remember all of this when it’s time to vote in November. with no checks or balances, this country is in big trouble. Another day, another new obcenity.
April 17th, 2006 at 3:05 pmThe price of oil will sky-rocket if we enter into a military conflict with Iran. More importantly it will most likely escalate into WWIII, just so this millionaire can save 50 cents a gallon at the pump. They will close off the Gulf and we will not be able to get oil out of Iraq or Iran.
April 17th, 2006 at 3:17 pmforbes on fox, forbes on crack,
April 17th, 2006 at 3:21 pmforbes on the war
to keep forbes in the black
Mr Forbes is speaking for the corporate socialist state that is the new USA. It’s “leaders” serve the fascist alliance of business/military/government. His comments are very, very clear.
April 17th, 2006 at 3:26 pmIt’s time for a tax revolt. We need to stop flow to this malignancy.
Appeasement of genicidal dictators has never worked. It did not work in case of Hiter, it will not in case islamofascist who are planing to build an islamic empire. Weak up and face the truth.
April 17th, 2006 at 3:28 pmHB… i think the US has done their fair share of appeasing dictators. in fact they have actually installed a few!!
April 17th, 2006 at 3:38 pmmeg_mac, I don’t recall any of them were planing to establish an Islamic khalifa (empire) on earth. Get to know your enemy! It’s very very important! Your own life depends on it!
April 17th, 2006 at 3:47 pmHB… you are paranoid! seek help! the only enemies I see are the repugs in power who are destroying the constitution. the enemy is within!
April 17th, 2006 at 4:01 pmGuys, cut Steve Forbes a little slack. It is just Spring Fever, when a neo-con’s fancies turns to killing Moslems for petroleum.
April 17th, 2006 at 4:02 pmmeg_mac, have it your way. My job was to let you know the threat that we are facing.
April 17th, 2006 at 4:07 pmHB…. can you let Goober know? seems like he is making way more enemies than friends. in fact HE is the threat we are facing!
April 17th, 2006 at 4:23 pmRight now Iran is not a real threat to anyone. Once they have a nuclear weapon (it could take even longer than 5 years), we should start negotiating with them about their terms. The important thing is to get the price of oil down RIGHT NOW. It’s killing us all.
April 17th, 2006 at 4:27 pmIT WOULD BE A HELL OF A NOTE IF A NUT LIKE STEVE FORBES WAS EVER PRESIDENT. OH, WAIT A MINUTE, G W BUSH IS NOW PRESIDENT IS PRESIDENT & W, W’s HANDLERS, SYCHOPHANTS ET AL. ARE CRAZIER THAN STEVE FORBES.
April 17th, 2006 at 4:27 pmWell it’s comforting to know that Mr. Forbes will be sending his own children and grandchildren into the armed services to fight this new war, along with the rest of our kids, yes? His kids ARE in the armed services, yes? Some of them are in Iraq, on patrol at this moment, yes? Of course they are! They’re following the Christian message, yes? Of course they are!
April 17th, 2006 at 4:36 pmmeg_mac, I do not agree with you. Although I have serious doubt about his competence, HE is not my enemy. Bush will be gone in couple of years and we will still have to deal with this ongoing threat. Our nation is facing a dreadful enemy who intend to bring about their vision of Islamic empire. Trust me on this one, I was raised among them and I know what I am taking about.
April 17th, 2006 at 4:38 pmWell, I sure hope Steve is right. If oil goes back down, then the GOP can win again, go right back to the stupid, short-sighted policies they love and then milk the NEXT oil crisis to start a war with, say, Venezuela.
April 17th, 2006 at 4:38 pmFitz has let us down completely - Please let people know about this:
http://www.house.gov/ hinchey/ FitzgeraldResponseToHinchey.pdf
One page pdf linked at Rep. Hinchey’s site. Why did it take Fitz SIX MONTHS to offer his REFUSAL TO INVESTIGATE THE NIGER FORGERIES as requested by Rep. Hinchey and 39 other Democrats last October?
Fitz is a smart man, he tells Congressman Hinchey that the letter empowering him to investigate does not include investigating lies in the run up to war and he refers Rep. Hinchey to the DOJ site BUT WHY DID IT TAKE SPECIAL PROSECUTOR FITZGERALD SIX
April 17th, 2006 at 4:48 pmMONTHS TO FIGURE OUT HIS MANDATE???
HB… maybe we should actually try reconciliation? or talking? why does fear have to be the answer. i believe that most muslims are just like us. they have families,go to work every day. they dont want to die. they want to live in peace just like us and be able to enjoy their grandchildren
April 17th, 2006 at 4:49 pmand their lives yes there are extremists! but most practice their religion in a responsible manner and would not opt for your vision! i have worked with many muslims. they were all kind and gentle people!
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[This Petition and signatures and comments will be delivered to the White House by many activists, including Cindy Sheehan.]
Dear President Bush and Vice President Cheney,
We write to you from all over the United States and all over the world to urge you to obey both international and U.S. law, which forbid aggressive attacks on other nations. We oppose your proposal
to attack Iran. Iran does not possess nuclear weapons, just as Iraq did not possess nuclear weapons. If Iran had such weapons, that would
not justify the use of force, any more than any other nation would be justified in launching a war against the world’s greatest possesor of nuclear arms, the United States.
The most effective way to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons would be to closely monitor its nuclear energy program, and to improve diplomatic relations — two tasks made much more difficult by threatening to bomb Iranian territory. We urge you to lead the way to peace, not war, and to
April 17th, 2006 at 4:51 pmbegin by making clear that you will not commit the highest international crime by aggressively attacking Iran.
Mr. Forbes,
April 17th, 2006 at 4:51 pmAs a political junkie I have witnessed your strange demeanour for a while now.
I credited it to bad genes. I am not pretty either. But you have always had a wild look in your eyes that spooked me.
But your suggestion that an attack on Iran will lower oil prices proves to me that you are not in full control of your faculties.
Leaving aside the moral and legal impications of what you purportedly suggest attacking Iran in the belief that it would somehow reduce the price of oil is one of the most astounding things that I have ever read.
If you really belive that then you are without a doubt one of the stupidest people I have ever heard of.
I am so glad for you that you inherited great wealth, because I doubt that you could hold down a job or find your way home at the end of the workday.
#106 - “….i believe that most muslims are just like us. they have families,go to work every day. they dont want to die….” –meg-mac
*****I believe you are absolutely right….except the ones who volunteer for those suicide bombing missions…and the b*^ch Muslim mothers who are soooo proud of their murdering spawn …..you ALSO forgot to mention the supposed 40K suicide bombers Iran president claims to have ready to strike Western targets. Come to think of it, those folks aren’t like ANYBODY I know - how about you?????
April 17th, 2006 at 5:09 pmmeg_mac… I agree with you that very large majority of moslems are peace loving people and as a nation we have no problem with them as thay have no problem with us. The ones that I call our enemy are the small minority in power in Iran who have the messianic beilief that their 12th Imam who went into hidding more than a thousnad years ago is bound to return and establish the Islamic controlled-world government. About talking with them, many countries including the Europeans have tried to ask them to give up their nuclear ambitions to no avail. They insist to develop their nuclear capability and to me this a clear and present danger to my family and to my country. We can not afford to let them have the bomb, I hope we can achieve that through diplomatic means but the time is running out.
April 17th, 2006 at 5:18 pmIRI….. i bet you wear a wife-beater t-shirt too!!!
Comment by meg_mac
I’ve never owned one but for the right woman I might consider the purchase. So…are you young, beautiful and semi-smart?
April 17th, 2006 at 5:22 pmMIGHTY HYPOCRITE… was that word ’supposed’ you used? ‘the only thing we have to fear is fear itself’ i dont think most muslim women want their children dead. better to try and understand what motivates the hatred of America and deal with that. im not scared. you sound terrified.
April 17th, 2006 at 5:46 pmHB… they are a long way from having a bomb! lets try to understand them before we have knee-jerk reactions. and there is a moderate force in Iran who were in favor but are now out of favor and i point to Goober for that!!!
April 17th, 2006 at 6:04 pm#112 - Of course you’re not scared meg-mooch. In post #86 - You nominate me to defend you because you heard what a good shot I am - but moving along…Meg says,
April 17th, 2006 at 6:18 pm“better to try and understand what motivates the hatred of America and deal with that. im not scared. you sound terrified.” I have already had heaps of “America’s foreign policy sucks” lectures here and elsewhere. Why don’t you tell your Muslim friends to try to understand what motivates Americans to dislike Muslims so much - AND DEAL WITH THAT!!
IRI- In reference to #71, You actually believe that if we bomb or nuke countries, committing genocide in the process, that the price of oil will go down. NO! The price will go up and drivers who like to actually be on the road will be pissed. Oh, and by the way, many of those countries will be pissed as well and bomb our asses. We do not want that to happen. To bomb countries with countless innocents including men, women and children will make us as bad and worse that Hitler.
Kindly rethink your post of #71 and stop thinking that Steve Forbes has the answers when he has no idea how we, not white collar Americans think.
April 17th, 2006 at 6:22 pmthe idiotic laws that prevent new refineries from being built.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — April 17, 2006 @ 2:09 pm
Bush boy found a great place to build a refinery… in your backyard!!
cool, isn’t it?
April 17th, 2006 at 6:29 pmForbes did a 4-way tab of cranberry Owsley before making that statement.
My god, these righty-conservatives are stupid people—-Unable to see past their huge & growing bank accounts–Except to spot the latest hallucination.
Water ain’t wet, and 2+2=13 with these folks.
It would be pitiful if they weren’t in power these days.
April 17th, 2006 at 6:30 pmMIGHTY HYPOCRITE…. i dont think ‘MOST’ americans dislike muslims. i think they hate ‘terrorists’ which we could actually be accused of also! i.e. abhu grahib,gitmo. hey if you are a good shot Donald could use you over there! why not volunteer? oh thats right Donald says we have enough troops over there to get the job done asap!
April 17th, 2006 at 6:33 pmJust another spoiled rich brat that doesn’t have a clue what you are talking about. I wish you had your money stuffed up your A–. It would be the best use I could think of for it.
April 17th, 2006 at 8:05 pmBut we thought Doug Feith was the f-ing stupidest man in America? He’d better look to his laurels.
April 17th, 2006 at 8:26 pmThe best policy would be to let the U.N. blabber on with Mr Ahmadinejad, see if it can take a stand on his nuclear proliferation, then get all the major allies on board and in full participation in a military activity; then, and only then!, make an ultimatum—which must not include the use of nuclear weapons by the West.
But if Iran wants to be a nuclear power, then it will be one someday no matter what happens. So I think the West should avoid bombing Iran pre-emptively if diplomacy fails. Bombing won’t change anything for the better, and it will kill tens or hundreds of thousands of innocents, create an humanitarian disaster that will rival several of the worse ones, and hasten a unified jihad where none, thank goodness, has yet arisen.
So if diplomacy fails—if Iran proceeds on its nuclear path—the West should not attack, but move immediately to a comprehensive Cold-War-type containment and deterrence of Iran, and plan for a long-term MANAGEMENT of the situation. The region will then have a Shiite Iran-and-Iraq in contention with their Sunni neighbors, and plenty of opportunities for diplomacy and learning by all sides. Indeed, if the Iranians gain a little pride by becoming a nuclear power, they may start to turn-around their psychology on more important matters, as all other nuclear publics in the world have done, and begin to think about how to get to a world in which everybody can survive, and begin that reformation of political Islam which we all hope for.
The idea that Iran is a bunch of crazies is itself crazy. Ahmadinejad is yanking our chains much as Mr Chavez is, down in Venezuela banging on the table in front of a television camera, and we shouldn’t fall for it. We should strongly resist those in the United States who suggest that Iran is some type of new “total suicide†country that will risk it all, by firing a rocket at Israel. The evidence of recent history is the reverse—they are very practical.
And it is unlikely that Iran is going to be expansionist. Going much beyond southern Iraq, if they make it that far, will put them into conflict with Sunni Arab states, causing an Islamic-internecine conflict that may redound to Western advantage. Some threatened Sunni states may acquiesce to basing Western troops and/or granting airspace.
Present U.S. policy is, however, asking the Iranians to act like cowards, from their point of view. We cannot suppose that much good will issue from this. Nor will it relieve our management of the situation. Their most rational response would then be to lie, and try to get the nukes anyway.
If Iran gets the bomb, we need strong deterrence and containment after that, promising to ensure their annihilation if they lob a rocket at anyone, or if they perpetrate a terror attack anywhere, — while making overtures of peace. And then if the Mullahs do not modify their exertions, I think all those Iranians dissatisfied with their government, seeing that they have become pariahs in the eyes of outsiders who would prefer peace, will have a much stronger impetus to change that government. Perhaps it will become the crisis which begins to change Islam. But there can be no concurrent exterior agitation, if you are to show your leaders the door. The Bush Administration in fact made it harder for Mr Khatami as well as the NGO reform groups by its rhetorical posturings. Certainly the Iranians will have a much greater opportunity to change their government, than if the West follows through on its threat to bomb them beforehand, kills lots of people, and makes the place unliveable.
April 17th, 2006 at 8:53 pmNuke Iran, and get a big discount on next year’s gas prices. Don’t worry about the death toll; it’s a price worth paying. Who cares about those dead Iranians, just think about those extra barbeques we’ll be able to have, with the money we’ll be saving on our utility bills.
Well done char-grilled Iranians anybody?
April 17th, 2006 at 9:59 pmLooney, just like the rest of the repug warmongers.
“So folks, if you want to afford gas for your SUV’s this summer, all we have to do is have that confrontation with Iran.”
And these are the type of people that are running our country. Feel safer now?
April 17th, 2006 at 10:34 pmOh and he’s goofy looking too. Orwell could never have dreamed up this cast of characters. Hate to see the world our grandchildren will inherit. Damn….I think I’ll go over to the right wing sites and just veg-out for a few months. Maybe it’s better to go the stupid route and not have all this anger…. NOT!!
April 17th, 2006 at 11:01 pmC’mon, people…what else do you honestly expect a member of PNAC to say??
April 17th, 2006 at 11:26 pmMaybe Forbes knows something we don’t know. Wait, wait, hear me out.
I read the other day that U.S. oil refineries have a surplus of crude oil in storage. The article didn’t mention if the oil refineries were refining at top capacity, with the surplus arising from more crude oil being imported than the refineries could process each day.
At the same time, I read that oil refineries are in the process of switching, as mandated by Congress, from refining with fuel additives to refining with ethanol added. This would indicate that the U.S. refineries are currently not processing crude oil at 100 percent, or close to 100 percent, but instead are operating at a much lower efficiency level. This could also explain the excess imported crude oil they have in storage…waiting to be processed once the refineries are back to running at maximum efficiency under the new Congressional guidelines.
But there could be another reason why this surplus oil is being stockpiled by U.S. oil companies. Ah, you see it. And this is why I say Forbes is looking at something that most people aren’t aware of, and predicting that gasoline prices will fall after Bush starts war in Iran.
In other words, no matter what the reason is behind U.S. oil companies having a surplus of crude oil on hand at present, when war breaks out, they will, over the short term, be able to tap into this surplus stockpile, pushing up oil refinery production, which will bring down the price of gas at the pump.
Now, when you combine this information (oil companies building up an artificial stockpile of crude oil in storage) with Bush ordering the filling up of the Strategic Petroleum Reserve several months ago, while increasing it’s capacity (per Congress) from 750 million barrels of crude oil to 1 billion barrels of crude oil, then one can only assume that Bush, similar to his preparations for war with Iraq in 2002/2003, has definitely decided to launch pre-emptive airstrikes against suspected Iranian nuclear sites…and soon.
Once the airstrikes begin and imported crude oil decreases sharply, both the U.S. oil companies and Bush will have a surplus of crude oil from which to draw.
In other words, just like Forbes is predicting, the price for gasoline at the pump will decrease (over the short term) as crude oil refining levels increase. And as long as crude oil imports are only temporarily disrupted by a war in Iran, then these artificial reserves will suffice in keeping gasoline prices down…at least over the short-term.
Of course, one only has to look at what has happened in Iraq since the neo-cons started war in March 2003 to question whether Forbes or the Bush administration really understand what the hell they are predicting or doing. Remember, Iraqi oil was going to pay for the Bush war and actually help pay for Iraqi reconstruction. However, current Iraqi oil exports are lower than they were under Saddam Hussein’s regime. Something about Iraqis bombing U.S. attempts to ship “their” oil out of “their” country.
Which is why Forbes and Bush live in a fantasyland. Sure, our artificially inflated oil reserves today, both at U.S. refineries and at the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, will cover short-term import losses, but if Iraq is any indication, the neo-con’s hoped for renewal of oil shipments through a U.S.-controlled Persian Gulf and Strait of Hormuz several months after the start of war with Iran might not work out the way they hope. Which means that over the long-term (or by the end of the year…AFTER the November elections), gas prices in the U.S. will skyrocket.
And this doesn’t even take into consideration the likelihood that Venezuela, in an act of solidarity with the besieged Iranians, will cut back on crude oil deliveries to the United States. Nor does this hare-brained neo-con plan take into account the strong possibility that some more Category 4 and 5 hurricanes will roar through the Gulf of Mexico, destroying or disabling oil rigs and refineries, thus decreasing oil production and processing, come hurricane season this year, which is only a couple of months away.
So, I figure the stockpiling that the Bush administration and the U.S. oil companies are currently undertaking is just meant to get the Republicans through the upcoming November elections. Thus, once again, their short-term political gain is all they are concerned about, while they could care less about the long-term hardships their insane actions will cause. Hey, they’ll be sitting pretty financially…screw everyone else.
Hasn’t anyone else noticed? The Bush administration, as well as many Republicans, aren’t just insane…they are dangerously insane.
April 17th, 2006 at 11:36 pmQuote:
What did he say that isn’t true, exactly?
While the truth may not be pretty the guy is absolutely saying the truth and nothing more.
Hey Richard. Do people sometimes call you Dick?
April 17th, 2006 at 11:39 pmSteve Forbes is a certified lunatic, so anything he claims is plain rediculous! An attack on Iran would shoot the price of gasoline in America to over 10 bucks a gallon, because it would cause shortages, or even have to be rationed! Forbes needs to be put into a mental institution > PERIOD.
April 17th, 2006 at 11:44 pmSteve Forbes was on Lou Dobbs’ In The Money Show on CNN 6-28-2002. The topic was corporate scandals and their effect on the stock markets which were plunging at the time. The topic was only that and not Iraq.
I got this transcript online the next day at cnn.com (Mark Morrison is from Businessweek):
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MORRISON: EBITDA, the ones that have pro forma accounting and have pushed that concept. Those — the market reacted more in a selective way than in a general, panicky way to the news.
DOBBS: Steve?
STEVE FORBES, EDITOR, “FORBES”: I think that’s generally right. I think the market is reaching a bottom. I think the more pessimism there is, the quicker this thing is going to turn around. But one of the things I think that’s weighing on the market, it’s not the spate of scandals about corporations, but a sense that perhaps we’re not waging this war on terror as vigorously as we should. I think if we went after IRAQ AND SEIZED THOSE OIL FIELDS, I think you’d see the market really move up.
DOBBS: It’s interesting that you would connect those two. We did have polls this week suggested only 1/3 of Americans believe that we’re actually winning this war. What do you think of that idea, Mark?
MORRISON: I don’t think that’s bearing a lot on the market right now. I think that the market is taking maybe some comfort from the fact that the government and corporate America seem to be taking seriously this mess that’s been going on in bookkeeping and in governance.
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In, I believe, December 2002 this whole show was purged from their transcripts section of their website.
April 17th, 2006 at 11:51 pmHow to get rid of islamofascist mullas once and for all:
April 18th, 2006 at 1:22 amhttp://news.yahoo.com/ s/ weeklystandard/ 20060417/ cm_weeklystandard/ targetiran_1
Someone obviously didn’t take an economics class. Of course we need to pay more and more for gas. How do you expect these rich ceos to live without their 800 ft. yatchs, and they need all the mistresses they can get.
April 18th, 2006 at 3:33 am…..gee , fuel will cost nothing at all…when we finally rub ourselves out!
April 18th, 2006 at 6:15 amI don’t know why everyone is so skeptical. After all, look what confronting Iraq did for the price of oil.[/sarcasn]
April 18th, 2006 at 7:09 amI don’t know why everyone is so skeptical. After all, look what confronting Iraq did for the price of oil.[/sarcasm]
April 18th, 2006 at 7:10 amAnd let me guess, Steve’s going to be on the first troop transport to lead the way to cheap gas. Don’t hold your breath!!!
April 18th, 2006 at 8:31 amLets look at one thing… once U.S. owned companies are controling the Oil in Iran, what makes any of us think they will WANT to bring the price of oil down? It’s a (black) gold mine of profit. There is no way any of these companies will give any consideration to the American people. They are only looking out for themselves and desguising the lust for profit with patriotic retorc and false promises. These aren’t humanatarians that are concerned with your well being. Thiey are business men, and business only cares about profit.
April 18th, 2006 at 9:03 amIdiot is right! Let’s face it; this is all part of the build up to an eventual attack on Iran. Israel’s declaration of an “axis of evil” today consisting of: (1) Hamas, (2) Syria, (3) Iran. Watch Bush-Cheney-Liberman feed off that one.
April 18th, 2006 at 9:07 amThe Palestinians democratically elect Hamas primarily due to the corruption of Fatah and what do they get? All aid cut off, starvation, more misery and targeted assassinations in the worlds largest concentration camp of Gaza. Point is, this was the democratic election the Bush-Cheney war machine pushed! And then they wash their hands off the result! Talk about psycholigical torture.
Big Money a la Forbes, AIPAC and the Evangofanatics hastening the second coming, can’t stop it. Iran will be attacked, Count one more for the perversion of American foreign policy for the needs of a few. Personally I’d like to see an AIPAC-billionaire-Evangofanatic brigade, staffed by AIPAC members plus their nutty cohorts, sent out to do some real fighting instead of having others fight their hypocritical wars for them.
Steve Forbes is living proof of the urgent necessity to hike inheritance taxes. Otherwise we are going to end up with a Political and Business elite consisting of morons and idiots. Ooops we already have that don’t we.
April 18th, 2006 at 10:18 amP.S. Didn’t his Daddy like to dress up in leather clothes and get it on with other guys? Not that there is anything wrong with that.
IRI- In reference to #71, You actually believe that if we bomb or nuke countries, committing genocide in the process, that the price of oil will go down. NO! The price will go up and drivers who like to actually be on the road will be pissed.
I didn’t say that, did I? Read it again.
Oh, and by the way, many of those countries will be pissed as well and bomb our asses.
They are bombing our asses now aren’t they? Yes they are.
We do not want that to happen. To bomb countries with countless innocents including men, women and children will make us as bad and worse that Hitler.
Since when did killing suicide bombers, baby killers and insane Muslim fanatics who chop off people’s heads qualify one as an equal to Hitler. That’s stupid.
Kindly rethink your post of #71 and stop thinking that Steve Forbes has the answers when he has no idea how we, not white collar Americans think.
Comment by JIMBO
What’s this “we” shit? Got a mouse in your pocket. You are a tiny minority inside a minority. The Iranians must be dealt with and severely. You might want to roll over and die but the MAJORITY of us do not and we understand that bombing the Iranian Islamofreaks back to the 2nd century may be the only way. Kindly do some homework will you?
Last year, it was after another khalvat that Ahmadinejad announced his intention to stand for president. Now, he boasts that the Imam gave him the presidency for a single task: provoking a “clash of civilisations” in which the Muslim world, led by Iran, takes on the “infidel” West, led by the United States, and defeats it in a slow but prolonged contest that, in military jargon, sounds like a low intensity, asymmetrical war.
In Ahmadinejad’s analysis, the rising Islamic “superpower” has decisive advantages over the infidel. Islam has four times as many young men of fighting age as the West, with its ageing populations. Hundreds of millions of Muslim “ghazis” (holy raiders) are keen to become martyrs while the infidel youths, loving life and fearing death, hate to fight. Islam also has four-fifths of the world’s oil reserves, and so controls the lifeblood of the infidel. More importantly, the US, the only infidel power still capable of fighting, is hated by most other nations.
According to this analysis, spelled out in commentaries by Ahmadinejad’s strategic guru, Hassan Abassi, known as the “Dr Kissinger of Islam”, President George W Bush is an aberration, an exception to a rule under which all American presidents since Truman, when faced with serious setbacks abroad, have “run away”. Iran’s current strategy, therefore, is to wait Bush out. And that, by “divine coincidence”, corresponds to the time Iran needs to develop its nuclear arsenal, thus matching the only advantage that the infidel enjoys.
Bush will not wait. We will destroy the Iranian capacity to wage nuclear war long before his term is up, with or without the UN. Take it to the bank and if you can’t afford $10.00/gal gas I suggest you make arrangements to do a lot of walking.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/ opinion/ main.jhtml?xml=/ opinion/ 2006/ 04/ 16/ do1609.xml
April 18th, 2006 at 10:20 amIRI… wow you must have made a bundle from the repugs for that last post. they are paying you by the word arent they?
April 18th, 2006 at 10:30 ammeg-mooch - We are paid handsomely “by the word”!!! Just think of those rambling, boring, tedious, and monotonous articles in The Nation and you’ll understand our money making principle of countering progressive socialism. Maybe you could teach the chronically illiterate to string sentences together with all of the other progressively proud posters (such good alliteration!!) who claim to be school teachers. You could help them off the public dole. (Writing or mouthing filthy hip-hop lyrics doesn’t count.)
April 18th, 2006 at 11:01 amIran is beneath the planet of the apes…
http://blogdebogs.blogspot.com/ 2006/ 04/ iran-beneath-planet-of-apes.html
April 18th, 2006 at 11:18 amThe most telling word in Forbes comment is the word “… whenwe go into Iran..”. Not “if”. this speaks volumes to what these war-mongering imperialistic, pigs have wanted all along. Buckle-up folks, we’re going in. As if the folly of invading one oil rich country and making a mess of it would have perhaps taught them something, now they want to repeat it by doing it again. These scum won’t be happy until the world is laid waste.
April 18th, 2006 at 11:22 amIRI… wow you must have made a bundle from the repugs for that last post. they are paying you by the word arent they?
Comment by meg_mac
Free cable for a year.
April 18th, 2006 at 11:34 amActually, it is stupid and racist to de-humanize your intended vitims by conflating them with “suicide-bombers” and “baby killers” and “insane Muslim fanatics who chop off people’s heads.” On this logic of yours, we could wash our hands of any moral obligations to civilians, including colatoraly-damaged babies, when we unilaterally bomb Israel back into the stone age. We will simply conflate every Israeli with the perpetrators of Deir Yassin, the mass murderer Baruch Goldstein, the bulldozer driver who crushed Rachel Corrie, the soldier who shot Thomas Hurndel, the jetfighters and gunboat operators who repeatedly attacked the USS Liberty killing 34 men, and of course, those five Israeli men who were celebrating the 911 attacks before being arrested and detained as “suspected conspirators.”
April 18th, 2006 at 11:47 amThe most telling word in Forbes comment is the word “… whenwe go into Iran..â€. Not “ifâ€. this speaks volumes to what these war-mongering imperialistic, pigs have wanted all along.
Comment by Gonnuts
I wonder if somewhere in your vast geopolitical experience you see some little bit of responsibility on Irans part to live as a responsible and peaceful world citizen and not threaten their neighbors with nuclear annihilation? Or in your estimation is this entirely the fault of the USA and the Evil Bush regime?
April 18th, 2006 at 11:49 amI wonder if somewhere in your vast geopolitical experience you see some little bit of responsibility on Irans part to live as a responsible and peaceful world citizen and not threaten their neighbors with nuclear annihilation? Or in your estimation is this entirely the fault of the USA and the Evil Bush regime?
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — April 18, 2006 @ 11:49 am
Oh my god, you actually made a valid argument! Without calling anyone a loser or commiemofo! I’m just gonna have to mark this one on my calendar!
Absolutely, Iran has a responsibility. WWII is a prime example of that expectation, and the consequences of failing to meet it. It’s just that most of us advocate war as a final step - not the first one.
April 18th, 2006 at 11:55 amForbes and all the rest of the Whites who have had a good run of illusional power, knows that when Iran change there selling Oil into euros instead of American dollars will evaporate his family’s fortunes. All of those white people who are considered filthy rich, will be standing in the lines for pyscho help. I hope that America do fight Iran. It will change the power structure of the whites all over the Planet.
Without Oil, the Whites are naked with weakness!
April 18th, 2006 at 1:12 pmForbes and all the rest of the Whites who have had a good run of illusional power, knows that when Iran change there selling Oil into euros instead of American dollars will evaporate his family’s fortunes. All of those white people who are considered filthy rich, will be standing in the lines for pyscho help. I hope that America do fight Iran. It will change the power structure of the whites all over the Planet.
Without Oil, the Whites are naked with weakness!
April 18th, 2006 at 1:12 pmWithout Oil, the Whites are naked with weakness!
Comment by Jerry
Only those who wear clothes made of synthetic material. The fact is all of us rednecks with guns wear cotton. That goes for the US military as well. Say goodnight Abdul.
April 18th, 2006 at 1:32 pmConfrontation will actually decrease our price? I would think that conflict and stressed relations with foreign countries will only hurt us. Why not work on becoming energy independent? We have sources of oil here in the US. Why not rely on those more and less on volatile foreign countries? Or if that’s not your cup of tea what about alternative energy? There are just so many options that seem like better alternatives than “having a conflict with Iran”.
April 18th, 2006 at 10:28 pmWhen will the nonsense stop? We have to stop blaming others for our looming energy crisis and we have to stop going to war over it. The only logical way to keep energy prices affordable is to maintain diverse energy supplies. We need the Exxon’s of the world to keep investing their huge profits into doing just that.
April 18th, 2006 at 10:33 pmYour naked and shameless hatred of non-Jews is on display for all the world to see.
For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God:
April 19th, 2006 at 1:57 amthe LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself,
above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
Deuteronomy 7:6
Your naked and shameless hatred of non-Jews is on display for all the world to see.
For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God:
the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself,
above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
Deuteronomy 7:6
Comment by bernadotte
So, I was right. You are some slack jawed, toothless, drooling white separatist’s girl friend. God only knows what you must look like but, tell me. What has Deu. 7:6 have to do with hatred of non-Jews? This should be good.
April 19th, 2006 at 9:01 amYea right, I remember another Neo-Con, Richard Perle, saying just before the start of Bush’s Big Blunder in Iraq that the best thing to come from the Iraq war would be $20 a barrel oil. That was when a barrel of oil was about $40 a barrel. A barrel of oil is now about $72 a barrel. Richard Perle was “way off the markâ€, as is Steve Forbes.
April 19th, 2006 at 12:03 pm“The only logical way to keep energy prices affordable is to maintain diverse energy supplies. We need the Exxon’s of the world to keep investing their huge profits into doing just that.” - Janie
I agree with you Janie. How about opening access to the ANWR or Rockies? And I know Exxon already invests in alternative fuels and cleaner energy sources, but the government needs to keep encouraging that instead of putting up barriers and regulations that hinder progress.
April 19th, 2006 at 12:21 pmThe government has more red tape than incentives for the oil industry. Then they have the audacity to bring the oil companies before Congress to tell them they are not doing enough. Congress are the ones not doing enough to bring oil costs down