National Review’s Kurtz: The Goal in Iraq is ‘Proof of Resolve Against Iran’ Not ‘Peace and Democracy’
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National Review’s Kurtz: The Goal in Iraq is ‘Proof of Resolve Against Iran’ Not ‘Peace and Democracy’
This morning, The National Review’s Stanley Kurtz explained the real purpose of U.S. operations in Iraq:
We need to see peace and democracy in Iraq is icing on the cake. The real goal is the proof of resolve against Iran and others. If the public sees that, it might change its view of what’s important and what success means.
So 2377 U.S. troops (and tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians) have died, not to accomplish anything meaningful in Iraq, but to “prove” something to Iran and other countries.
This is the kind of warped perspective that’s necessary to justify the President’s approach. It doesn’t matter how unsuccessful the strategy is, “staying the course” is an end unto itself.
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So 2377 U.S. troops (and tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians) have died, not to accomplish anything meaningful in Iraq, but to “prove†something to Iran and other countries.
WORST. PRESIDENT. EVER.
April 18th, 2006 at 11:52 amWe will be shamed by this throughout history.
WORST. PRESIDENT. EVER.
We will be shamed by this throughout history.
Comment by Zookeeper — April 18, 2006 @ 11:52 am
Hard to wage a valid argument about that one anymore. Even my mother has begun to bash Bush and she’s a pretty loyal person.
April 18th, 2006 at 11:58 amGee, I thought our goal was to intimidate Iran with threats of “if you build a nuke–we’ll nuke ya!”
April 18th, 2006 at 12:00 pmActually, the Shia’ dominated Iran being incited to radical martyrdom should work well for our efforts in Iraq…won’t it? Idiots!
A disgrace. These men have absolutely no honor.
April 18th, 2006 at 12:01 pmDouchebag….What is up with the bushies that they are using such weak arguments?
The Iranian people are not our enemy, not yet at least. They may not like some of the things our government has done to their nation over time, but the Iranians I know, generally like America and americans. They say it is much the same with their family back in Iran.
Now, I admit, the current President of Iran, is a couple of sandwiches short of a picnic….I’m not going to defend him. But the whole point of saber rattling isn’t fooling anyone in the world, least of which is the current Iranian leadership.
They can see we are bogged down on 2 fronts already and not making any headway in Afganistan, and losing headway and polical will in Iraq. They can see that we could bomb their facilities, but they have to know, as we do, that we aren’t capable of any land war to speak of right now.
With that in mind, Is bombing an effective deterrent? I don’t think it is. It’d just piss off everyone over there, and they would just build their next workshops under hundreds of feet of hard rock. They’d still get their weapons in the long run and have a reason to want to use them on us! Darth Cheney, King dumbya & Rummy may feel this is a win/win scenerio (armageddon anyone?), but I think most others would take pause and think about what you want the future to be like.
Just my ramblin’ mind going, that’s all.
April 18th, 2006 at 12:03 pmHow do we show resolve re: Iran when the incoming government in Iraq is hella-friendly with Iran? Some quick math: add up the correct pronouncements and predictions from National Review writers on Iraq. Oh wait, it’s zero.
April 18th, 2006 at 12:05 pmDon’t forget the trillion dollars. We’re beggaring everyone but the wealthy here at home in order to show some foreign policy cojones. We are the only nation which will proceed from a period of extended adolescence directly to our national dotage without an intervening period of adult maturity.
April 18th, 2006 at 12:06 pmfinally, the high school jock mentality has creeped all the way up to the highest echelon of power…wonderful.
April 18th, 2006 at 12:09 pmWhat it’s been proving to the Iranians so far is that one act of terrorism on American soil will panic George W. Bush into committing a substantial portion of its military and a trillion dollars to some unwinnable adventure, even if it had little or nothing to do with the original terrorists.
April 18th, 2006 at 12:15 pm“Everything I need to know I learned from my peers during recess one day in the sixth grade.”
April 18th, 2006 at 12:19 pmCan’t wait for the Naval exercises off the coast of Formosa this summer–that should send a real message…wonder what it will be? Get the feeling they’re also pickin’ a fight with Hugo Chavez, of oil rich Venezuala? Psuedo-christianity/democracy/capitalism on the march…how’s it workin’ so far?
April 18th, 2006 at 12:20 pmConservatives are finally saying that this is a complete and utter mess.
“Everyone is agreeing we botched this,” says Michael O’Hanlon, a military analyst with the Brookings Institution. “We’re all agreeing this is not going to go down as one of the nation’s great accomplishments. It’s bad for the Bush administration’s place in history…
[from: http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_8489.shtml ]
Someone, QUICK!, give George W. Bush a blowjob so we can impeach him!!!
April 18th, 2006 at 12:26 pmWe must invade Iran to pay them back for all of the Iranian 9/11 hijackers.
Osama. Iran. 9/11. Tehran.
It’s only a matter of time before we hear tht excuse.
April 18th, 2006 at 12:28 pmNeocon filth like Kurtz are so blinded by Bush baloney, that they do not even think before they spew nonsense! The real and only reason for being in Iraq is to control and steal all their OIL!
April 18th, 2006 at 12:31 pmwhat’s insane beyond by capabilities is that both iran and the u.s.a. fundamentalists have this “we’ll be rewarded in heaven” attitude!! WTF! it’s rapture for the so called christians and 72 virgins for the islamic believers. maybe i’m not reading this correctly, but both visions are incredible! the world could end and these folks are celebrating each others demise. what a world we live in!
April 18th, 2006 at 12:31 pmIf Stanley Kurtz is serious, he strap on a suicide belt and prove his resolve against Iran and others.
April 18th, 2006 at 12:36 pmThe war in Iraq was never really about WMD or spreading democracy or any of the rest of those excuses — it was always about kicking some raghead ass, to show the Muslims not to mess with us.
April 18th, 2006 at 12:36 pmSo, according to this clown we’re “staying the course” to show Iran how big America’s johnson is?
Couldn’t we have just bought a Porsche instead?
April 18th, 2006 at 12:37 pm14: The real and only reason for being in Iraq is to control and steal all their OIL!
Well, actually, the defense contractors are feeding like hogs at the trough.
April 18th, 2006 at 12:37 pmWe’ve really shown them Iranians a thing or two! We ousted their worst enemy and put in power a Shiite government dominated by people friendly with Tehran. Yes sir, they’ll be SORRY!
April 18th, 2006 at 12:38 pm[...] Atrios links to this Think Progress post about Stanley Kurtz claiming: We need to see peace and democracy in Iraq is icing on the cake. The real goal is the proof of resolve against Iran and others. [...]
April 18th, 2006 at 12:39 pmThis is the kind of warped perspective that’s necessary to justify the President’s approach. It doesn’t matter how unsuccessful the strategy is, “staying the course†is an end unto itself.
Judd
As I’ve said a number of times, we didn’t go into Iraq for Oil and we didn’t go into Iraq for democracy. We went into Iraq to put the worlds greatest killing machine smack dab in the middle of the growing cancer of radical Islam. The choice of peaceful coexistence with the West or apoctolyptic destruction is up to them.
Any person capable of rational thought knows we can not allow the insane followers of a death cult to acquire the nuclear means to murder millions or the blackmail the rest of the world into submission. They will be given a choice between life and death but it will be on our terms. Failure to put an end to fundamentalist Islam is not an option.
April 18th, 2006 at 12:39 pm17: to show the Muslims not to mess with us.
Well, I would say that *inadvertently* fathering a burgeoning extremist Islamic republic with long standing and extremely close ties to Iran is not the way to show Muslims not to mess with the USA.
Right, to show the Muslims not to mess with us Bush (and his supporters like you) has fathered a second Shiite republic.
9/11 + Iraq = Bush’s extremist Islamic Republic?
Where’s the outrage?
April 18th, 2006 at 12:42 pm17: to show the Muslims not to mess with us.
Well, I would say that *inadvertently* fathering a burgeoning extremist Islamic republic with long standing and extremely close ties to Iran is not the way to show Muslims not to mess with the USA.
Right, to show the Muslims not to mess with us Bush (and his supporters like you) has fathered a second Shiite republic?
9/11 + Iraq = Bush’s extremist Islamic Republic?
Where’s the outrage?
April 18th, 2006 at 12:42 pmYeah, let’s just keeping moving those goalposts. Has any rationale for this war lasted more than a few monthes?
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April 18th, 2006 at 12:44 pmhttp://griperblade.blogspot.com – grumblings from the heartland
Where’s Formosa, beav? You mean Taiwan? If so, why use the old Portuguese colonial name? I understand your point to be that the Bush administration is picking ill-advised fights in order to ensure that the world is more dangerous and requires a massive U.S. military budget that ensures handouts to allies in the Military-Industrial Complex. Valid point.
Still, FYI, although the Taiwanese people are divided as to whether their country should be independent or unified with the PRC, nobody considers their home to be “Formosa.”
April 18th, 2006 at 12:46 pmI-Troll-I, sadly, we do have “insane followers of a death cult” with their mitts on nucular bums. We call them “the Bush Administration”.
April 18th, 2006 at 12:46 pmTheir our goals posts, damnit, and we can move them whenever we want.
This reminds me only by its very absurdity of Mark Steyn’s comment in October 2004 that the Iraq war was just about cleaning up leftover pre-911 business.
Oy, these people. Some days it just makes me think they may have some kind of hidden agenda.
April 18th, 2006 at 12:46 pmI-RIGHT-I: Failure to put an end to fundamentalist Islam is not an option.
How does fathering an extremist Islamic republic with extremely close ties to Iran, a so-called axis of evil, a way of putting an end fundamentalist Islam?
Do you thing the fathering an extremist Islamic republic with extremely close ties to Iran is good for US national security?
Do you thing the fathering an extremist Islamic republic with extremely close ties to Iran is the right response to the most horrific attacks on US soild on 9/11?
April 18th, 2006 at 12:46 pmi told george, i said, ‘george, just whip out that big dick of yours and show that iranian fellow that you win’ take it from me, i been sucking on that thing for years and that boy has a big ol’ dick… beat an iranian anyday….
that will prove it all.
god bless me,
tom ‘cell block d’ lay
April 18th, 2006 at 12:47 pmOkay, so HOW MANY reasons for the war does this makes? I lose count so easily.
April 18th, 2006 at 12:55 pmGive me Christ or give me Hiroshima?
April 18th, 2006 at 1:00 pm#23. WTF makes you think I’m a Bush supporter? Jeez Louise. “Kicking some raghead ass” was their stupid idea, not mine. Think before you assail.
April 18th, 2006 at 1:03 pmI APPLAUD THE USA’S STAYING THE COURSE IN IRAQ. I LOOK FORWARD TO THE SWIFT REMOVAL OF THE INSANE ISLAMIC FUNDIES IN IRAN.
SOMEDAY THE ENTIRE MID-EAST WILL BE A PEACEFUL U.S. PROTECTORATE. THE WHOLE REGION IS GROWING INTO A LAND OF DEMOCACY AND FREEDOM. THEY JUST NEED A FEW TACTICAL KILOTON BABY STEPS OF HELP.
ONCE THE CRAZYBEARD IRANIAN PRESIDENT IS INCINERATED, THE IRANIAN PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE A CHANCE — WELL, WHATS LEFT OF THEM.
April 18th, 2006 at 1:05 pmThe secular state of Iraq under Sadam had been a committed enemy of Islamic Iran for years, waging a horrific and bloody 8 year war in the 80’s. So, as I understand it, the logic being put forth is that the U.S. is showing the Iranians that we are bad ass and serious by…taking out their neighboring enemy state?
Hmmm. Somehow that doesn’t make sense, but I am sure that has something to do with the public education that I received growing up.
April 18th, 2006 at 1:07 pmAmazing.
It’s the plot of the movie “Twilight’s Last Gleaming” (damn fine moviem BTW): we’ve decided to feed America’s youth into a meatgrinder to prove to Those People how tough and ruthless we are.
Of course, “Twlight’s” was fiction. And seemed SO over-the-top thirty years ago.
April 18th, 2006 at 1:07 pmRepug tolls: Got Osama?
I didn’t think you did. Fools.
April 18th, 2006 at 1:10 pmDude, their reason(s) for invading Iraq seem to change to suit whatever works for them at any particular moment.
April 18th, 2006 at 1:11 pmThey think if they say it on their best friend (cnn, fox, etc.), that makes it reality.
People need to start talking to these War Pigs . . . . . by hand.
#32 – Holy shit, that’s scary, Bruce.
April 18th, 2006 at 1:25 pmSo, you are calling the United States “the worlds greatest killing machine”?
You are sick in the head and need to be put in a rubber room.
April 18th, 2006 at 1:28 pmFor your consideration: 2377 American troops killed in action in Iraq vs. 450,000-957,000 Iranian casualties during the First Persian Gulf War. I’m sure the Iranians are quaking at the “resolve” America has so far shown.
April 18th, 2006 at 1:31 pmSo, you are calling the United States “the worlds greatest killing machine�
You are sick in the head and need to be put in a rubber room.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — April 18, 2006 @ 1:28 pm
Actually, he’s right. Just not for the same reasons that he means. But for Bush’s means.
April 18th, 2006 at 1:32 pmThis does:
Because it makes you sound just like:
If you don’t want to be called a troll, don’t talk like a troll.
Just because some idiot moron calls Arabs “rag heads” doesn’t mean you should, unless you wanna be labeled a troll.
April 18th, 2006 at 1:32 pmWe need to see peace and democracy in Iraq is icing on the cake.
This is a new reason for the invasion and occupation. Quite frankly, I am having trouble keeping up with the ever changing logic and rationale.
Not even a month ago Pres Bush was talking at length about how helping Iraqis succeed in building a democracy was central in his vision for Iraq:
Today, I’m going to discuss the stakes in Iraq and our efforts to help the Iraqi people overcome past divisions and form a lasting democracy, and why it is vital to the security of the American people that we help them succeed.(…)
The Iraqi government is still in transition, and the Iraqi security forces are still gathering capacity. If we leave Iraq before they’re capable of defending their own democracy, the terrorists will win. They will achieve their stated goal. This is what the terrorists have told us they want to achieve. (…)
We’re pursuing a clear strategy for victory. Victory requires an integrated strategy: political, economic and security. These three elements depend on and reinforce one another. By working with Iraqi leaders to build the foundations of a strong democracy, we will ensure they have the popular support they need to defeat the terrorists.
President Discusses Democracy in Iraq with Freedom House – March 29, 2006
Maybe Stanley Kurtz knows better than Pres Bush himself what is the actual goal for Iraq. I think his guess is as good as anyone else’s…
April 18th, 2006 at 1:33 pmAmerica needs more than ever to change its foreign policies you are making more enemies than Hitler did
April 18th, 2006 at 1:47 pm(The door flies open and in come three evil types — Boosh, Feith, and Rumsfeld, dressed in rented military costumes.) Commander-in-Chief Boosh: NOBODY expects the Neocon Impostion! Our chief rationale is WMDs! …WMDs and Saddam…Saddam and WMDs…. Our two rationales are Saddam and WMDs…and “proof of resolve against Iran”! Our three rationales are Saddam, and WMDs, and “proof of resolve against Iran”…and an almost fanatical devotion to power…. Our four…no… (Reid and Senator Feingold look boredly at these loonies. They have obviously blown any chance at a dramatic entrance.) Amongst our rationales…. Hmf… Amongst our rationales…are such elements as WMDs, Saddam, and nice stuffed flightsuits… I’ll come in again.
April 18th, 2006 at 1:50 pmSo, you are calling the United States “the worlds greatest killing machine�
You are sick in the head and need to be put in a rubber room.
Comment by Spudge_Boy
I called the US military the worlds greatest killing machine, and it is. You need an enema.
April 18th, 2006 at 1:57 pmwonder what mouthpiece fed him this line of crap?
April 18th, 2006 at 2:00 pmSampling of Deaths From US Military Interventions & Propping Up Corrupt Dictators (using the most conservative estimates)
http://www.robert-fisk.com/robert_elias_25sept2001.htm
America is by far the biggest killing machine ever
Comment by Monkey Knut Wrench
That looks to me to be the number of people the communists killed in the last few decades. You forgot to add in the 40-60 million reported dead in the Soviet and Red Chinese purges. Leave it to Robert Fisk to not give credit where credit is due.
My country saved your ass. Your country surrendered without firing a shot. It’s why we’re better than you and why we win.
April 18th, 2006 at 2:04 pmIRI – do you just write the first thing that pops into your head? Is that really how you want the US to be viewed, like Hitler? If you caanot add anything intelligent to the conversation could you just please refrain from posting?
April 18th, 2006 at 2:05 pmWhy are you always talking about other guys asses?
April 18th, 2006 at 2:08 pmRemember the Iran-Iraq war? It’s going to take a lot more than 2,377 deaths to impress them.
April 18th, 2006 at 2:10 pmI told everybody I-RIGHT-I thinks hes the sun and everything revolves around HIM
April 18th, 2006 at 2:10 pmAnd what have we proven? That we are a bunch of incompetents who can neither plan for nor accomplish anything meaningful under the leadership of a collosal idiot and a grumpy old man. Oooooo…they’re quakin’ in their boots.
April 18th, 2006 at 2:17 pmMy country saved your ass. Your country surrendered without firing a shot. It’s why we’re better than you and why we win.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — April 18, 2006 @ 2:04
Like you had anything to do with it. Pathetic coward.
April 18th, 2006 at 2:19 pmI have it on good authority that the reason Bush attacked Iraq was to protect the Easter Bunny from oil-consuming terrorists. How else can we stop these violent criminals from driving cars right into our precious cotton-tailed patriots from NY to CA? We have to starve them of the very gas they need to run over bunnies. It is somewhat unfortunate that the war in Iraq has not completely irradicated these bunny hating madmen, but you have to admit, it worked! I mean, it sure has reduced the amount of gas in this country, except, of course, at the White House where hot gas abounds.
April 18th, 2006 at 2:31 pmCan’t argue with success. I’ll bet Iran has a bunch of oil we can avoid too!
Wrap junior, dickski and rumatiod in some tin foil so that
April 18th, 2006 at 2:35 pmthey look like ‘bunker busters’, then it’s ‘bombs away’ with
the ‘three amigos’.
When you engage bigots and racists you only stoop. Tracy and the like are just begging for education, but IRI is just a kid. You can tell by the posts. He is just a kid evicted from high school and no parental control. I just skip over them. If I am going to engage the retarded, I will do it from a volunteer standpoint, which ironically, I will be doing these next 3 Saturdays. They have much stronger powers of deduction than IRI anyway.
April 18th, 2006 at 2:36 pmWow, Kurtz’s reason for the invasion is even stupider than Bush’s. Seriously, this isn’t the 18th century, the great powers of the world can’t just invade countries in order to look tough to their adversaries. People will not stand for that in today’s world.
April 18th, 2006 at 3:09 pmIran-o-mania…
I might be able to get the clip from last night’s show and if I do, I’ll post it. But I want to bring everyone up to speed on Iran and provide y’all with some background links. I’m pretty convinced by the conversation I had last night with another …
April 18th, 2006 at 3:13 pmThe reason for the Iraq war is a mystery. What did Wolfwitz say, it was convenient, or was it a matter of emphasis. You know whatever worked to take us to war. That kind of thing. It was an iimminent threat, mushroom cloud, or was it Cheney’s Energy Task Force and oil, control of oil reserves as the world demand grows, or a son’s revenge for his father, or Israel, or Democracy, etc., we’ve heard them all. And they continue to say whatever works at the time. One minute Bush is the War President, then he turns around to be the Peace President. Quite frankly, I don’t think he knows what the heck he is and how do do his job.
Is this what they told us we were going there to do?, by By Joan Chittister, OSB
Sister Joans continuing story from a delegation of Iraqi women.
April 18th, 2006 at 4:03 pm
2,377 dead.
2,377 explanations of why we’re there.
Nice symmetry.
April 18th, 2006 at 4:06 pmThe new Constitution, the one crafted after the fall of Saddam and guaranteed to guarantee democracy, does not guarantee it for women.
Comment by Jack
They took one look at Hillary and her squad of Left Wing men haters and decided they weren’t quite ready for that much democracy. It’s hard to argue with that kind of reasoning.
April 18th, 2006 at 4:22 pmCan you please stop linking to the IBC count as the definitive number of Iraqis who have died from the war? That’s a ridiculous underestimate. The Lancet figure of 98k, which weak-kneed folk like to avoid like the plague, is the best estimate we have. And, in all probability, that’s a rather significant underestimate, as well.
Elaboration, here.
April 18th, 2006 at 6:01 pmIf the public sees that, it might change its view of what’s important and what success means.
April 18th, 2006 at 6:27 pmStanley Kurtz needs to be dropped of in downtown Fallujah, he might change his view on what is important also.
Yeah, if you are insane. But, we already know you’re insane. And a racist. The two great taste that taste like shit together.
April 18th, 2006 at 6:54 pmYup, the sad part is that not only did we get no oil. We are spending the money we borrow from China to buy oil at $3 a galllon from Iraq’s neighbor, and sell it to Iraqis for 27c a gallon. We took 1M barrels of oil per day off the market when dropping Saddam, which is a big contributing factor to the current high oil prices. The nutjobs will tell you it’s all OPEC’S fault. Beleive me, while OPEC might have a policy to limit quotas, every member nation is pumping beyond their quotas to cash in on the current chinese growth, and US continuing guzzle. But we already KNEW Bush was incompetent andf clueless. I honestly believe he had no intention of causing an oil supply crisis. But I also honestly believe that he is so incompetent to the bone that intentions and outcomes have nothing to do with each other in his universe.
April 18th, 2006 at 8:13 pmSick, sick, sick.
April 18th, 2006 at 10:05 pmThe whole damn bunch of them and their apologists are just twisted.
What a lousy excuse for nearly 3000 dead Americans and 20,000 wounded. Not to mention the tens of thousands of Iraqis who died so they could be an example.
Let us know when you run out, chicken-hawks. We’ve got plenty of lame excuses for you to use.
#434 Saddam is actually an alien, and those lookalikes are actually his clones, and there’s a thousand Saddams that were getting ready to spread all over the world.
#435 The sky-fairy demanded a sacrifice, so he talked to Dubya and requested somebody with a beret and moustache, please.
#436 Saddam actually had plans to help the spread of bird-flu by breeding the worlds largest flocks of long-range super-pigeons.
#437 Saddam invented new coke.
#438 Saddam is responsible for all of the really bad pornography on the internet, with the bad focus and cheesy soundtracks.
#439 Saddam stole Bert from the Sesame Street cast, and Bert is actually the one who turned Saddam evil.
#440 Saddam kept telling people about the time he walked in on Rumsfeld jacking off over the Iraqi Aerobics television show back in the eighties.
#441 Saddam always put the toilet paper on the holder the wrong way around.
# 442 Saddam took the last beer from the fridge and then left most of it on the coffee table to go warm and flat overnight, that sick, twisted son-of-a-bitch.
#443 Saddam got Jenna Bush preggers, and then wouldn’t pay for her ‘visit to another state’.
#444 Saddam called Dubya and told him everything that was going to happen in the next series of 24.
#445 Dubya saw the South Park movie and Babs wasn’t there to tell him it was all make-believe.
#446 Saddam convinced intel to release the 486 SX 6 months before the DX.
#447 Like the French, many Iraqis find Jerry Lewis to be incredibly funny. That shit just won’t stand.
#448 Dick, Donald, Karl and Dubya used a Ouija board, and when Dubya asked ‘Who does Condi like the most?’, the glass moved BY ITSELF and spelt ‘iraq’!
#449 Pure Zen Logic. Dubya silently contemplated the nature of evil while blindfolded and then threw a dart at a desk-globe. He accidentally hit the Iraqi ambassador instead, and after that it was ON.
April 18th, 2006 at 10:13 pmTo # 16: Stop the blasphemy,Asshead,or no one will take you seriously.
April 19th, 2006 at 2:38 amHey, Spudge_Boy, next time I’ll put stuff in quotes so simpletons like you can recognize the sarcasm. Sheesh.
April 19th, 2006 at 7:36 amIf the public sees that, it might change its view of what’s important and what success means.
Stanley Kurtz needs to be dropped of in downtown Fallujah, he might change his view on what is important also.
Comment by koalablue
Had it not been for the seething whining Filthy Left who love the headchopping terrorists and their bastard children more than our troops there would BE NO downtown Fallujah. We are in the position we are in not only in Iraq but in the entire middle east because of cowardly women like Jimmy Carter. It makes me sick to think our Marines are dying going house to house in terrorist strongholds like Fallujah when an F-16 or C-130 could do the job required in seconds without one American getting a scratch. The Democrats are responsible for nearly every death of an American Soldier in Iraq because they will not allow the use of irresistible force.
April 19th, 2006 at 9:12 amYes, we had to show the world that we are big and bad once again, and don’t think that we can’t last as log it might take to wage another war…as long as the money lasts I mean.
April 19th, 2006 at 10:27 amGlobal Corporations are traitorous by their very charter. The Should NEVER be allowed to serve ins ANY capacity to protect or defend something they have NO ALLEGIANCE to. This will truly bring down capitalism to the slimy nether world of greed from which it came.
Conservatism – Possibly Dead, might be in suspended animation
Republicanism – Presently being tortured, but will commit suicide before the Christo-fascist brigade kills it
Christo-Fascism (Fundamentalism) – unfortunately will continue as long as religion can hide behind the veil of freedom of speech, and tax evasion. Bring those two together under the umbrella of a regulator who forces each to account for their “religious” doings with the money they want keep from taxation, and then things might start turning around for the world. Otherwise, you will have mindnumbing acceptance of a story, that has been perverted over centuries to continue a ponzie scheme run out of the Vatican, or out of Mecca, or Jerusalem, it is all the same bullshit.
This is why testosterone is a dangerous drug and should be outlawed.
April 19th, 2006 at 10:33 amThis is why testosterone is a dangerous drug and should be outlawed.
Comment by Glenn Becker
Wrong, there should be a test for it and anyone found lacking should not be allowed in the military, in public office or teaching above the sixth grade level. If there is a problem in this country it’s the problem of spineless twerps without the guts to take care of business the old fashioned way.
April 19th, 2006 at 11:24 amChristo-Fascism (Fundamentalism) – unfortunately will continue as long as religion can hide behind the veil of freedom of speech, and tax evasion. Bring those two together under the umbrella of a regulator who forces each to account for their “religious†doings with the money they want keep from taxation, and then things might start turning around for the world.
Comment by Thomas Paine
Better to leave the Christian churches alone unless you want to end up like the Real Thomas Paine. What’s true is that we should audit all these tax exempt Left Wing Fucktard charitable trusts to get the full picture of how they are sheltering billions and funding organizations that are destroying our country. Then hang the people responsible. It wouldn’t surprise me a bit if you’re one of them. “Christo-Fascism” indeed. The ONLY reason you have the freedom to show your ass like this in public is because of our Christian fundamentalist forefathers…. Dipshit.
April 20th, 2006 at 2:51 pmThis “proof or resolve in Iraq to show Iran we are serious” is a manufactured excuse.
If the “real goal” of Iran was X, then that goal should have been asserted, not say something else.
Just like the NSA illegal activity, this White House is making up non-sense to retroactively “justify” something that is illegal.
April 26th, 2006 at 1:10 pm