Rumsfeld: War Critics Being Manipulated By Zarqawi and Bin Laden’s ‘Media Committees’
Rumsfeld: War Critics Being Manipulated By Zarqawi and Bin Laden’s ‘Media Committees’
Yesterday on Rush Limbaugh, embattled Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld said that those who criticize the Iraq war are being manipulated by terrorists, including Zarqawi and bin Laden, through the U.S. media:
There have always been people who have opposed wars…I think we just have to accept it, that people have a right to say what they want to say, and to have an acceptance of that and recognize that the terrorists, Zarqawi and bin Laden and Zawahiri, those people have media committees.
They are actively out there trying to manipulate the press in the United States. They are very good at it.
So, according to Rumsfeld, the media isn’t just failing to report the “good news” from Iraq, it is being actively manipulated by terrorists. Those that are critical of the war are simply buying into the propaganda.
The only way to circumvent the terrorist-influenced U.S. media, apparently, is to listen to Rush Limbaugh.
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Rumsfeldian Rhapsody
Bush wont fire Rumsfeld, even though everyone wants him to.
April 18th, 2006 at 9:55 amSung to the tune of Queen’s Bohemian Rhapsody.
http://www.thehollywoodliberal.com/comic_feature_links.htm
Quote of week (as reported in the Washington Post) Retired Marine Lt. Gen. Greg Newbold - Former director of operations for the Joint Chiefs of Staff:
… Adding these together, he concluded with the words that have come to constitute the definitive rebuke to the administration’s leaders: “My sincere view is that the commitment of our forces to this fight was done with a casualness and swagger that are the special province of those who have never had to execute these missions — or bury the results.”
April 18th, 2006 at 9:55 amThere have always been people who have opposed wars…I think we just have to accept it, that people have a right to say what they want to say, and to have an acceptance of that and recognize that the terrorists, Zarqawi and bin Laden and Zawahiri, those people have media committees.
They are actively out there trying to manipulate the press in the United States. They are very good at it.
Time to ask Scotty: “Does the President agree with this view?”
April 18th, 2006 at 9:57 amI guess Rush is back on his illegal prescriptions of oxycontin! It would take a drug-addled brain to come up with illogical “spin” of this nature!
April 18th, 2006 at 9:58 amThis proves it: Rumsfield is absolutely NUTS!
April 18th, 2006 at 9:58 amMan, what does that say for how incompetent the Pentagon is that they’re worse at manipulating the media than a bunch of dudes living in caves? If that’s not reason enough to can his ass, I don’t know what is.
April 18th, 2006 at 10:05 amWhat is worse than Rumsfield saying this is that there are people in the US who will believe it.
What will it take for some people to come out of their comas and see this administration for what it is?
April 18th, 2006 at 10:06 amsheesh… who can swallow this trite…
April 18th, 2006 at 10:07 amBushCo = LIARS
Because they are manipulated by smoke and mirros from self-prescribed authorities, they assume that we are. When will they get that we examine all sides to the story and then rationally think for ourselves? The fact that ration usually leads to liberal viewpoints doesn’t mean we have been seduced, just that liberal philosophies are more rational. Sheesh. These people really are shameless.
April 18th, 2006 at 10:08 amAccording to Rummy, six retired senior US generals are agents of Bin Ladin.
April 18th, 2006 at 10:09 amWell guess he got us. I got my talking points from Ben Laden this morning and was about to start spouting off how the “vengance of Allah will be upon the Great Satan.”
April 18th, 2006 at 10:14 amGuess I have to come up with something else. (For benefit of the NSA who is reading this no doubt, this was “sarcasm” laced with a liberal dose of “irony”. That means I am joking.)
Gee, media being the agents of propaganda…I guess we should all really listed to rush limbagh about that because he has a bit of experience in the area.
You know, Rush Limbaugh is really one to talk about being manipulated by propaganda….seeing as how his show is basically an acerbic version of the talking points from the RNC…or maybe I have that backwards.
April 18th, 2006 at 10:14 amWhat sort of Oxy flavored drugs is Rush sharing with the Sec Def?
April 18th, 2006 at 10:14 amDude, Rush lost a . . . . . . . . . couple hundred pounds !
April 18th, 2006 at 10:14 amDon ‘Skelitor’ Rommel Rumsfeld saying ‘I think we just have to accept it’, is comedy.
Guess what Rommey, err . . I mean Rummy, you have zero credibility.
So what you ‘think’, really doesn’t carry much weight.
Of course its terrorists who are behind the truth coming out on Rummy and the rest of the Hitler youth in the Administration. Saying “terrorists” has been the most effective method Bush has had for 5 years to scare people into believing his lies. Terrorists must be the ones leaving all the children behind - amazing we haven’t heard that one yet.
April 18th, 2006 at 10:15 amOf course its terrorists who are behind the truth coming out on Rummy and the rest of the Hitler youth in the Administration. Saying “terrorists” has been the most effective method Bush has had for 5 years to scare people into believing his lies. Terrorists must be the ones leaving all the children behind - amazing we haven’t heard that one yet.
April 18th, 2006 at 10:15 amIt seems that Rumsfeld is prating on mindlessly about el Qaeda media committees (this isn’t the first instance) but what he’s really doing is laying the groundwork for new Pentagon media initiatives, including the internet (look out).
recent news item:
Science Board to Study Internet’s Impact on Military Ops
By Donna Miles
American Forces Press Service
WASHINGTON, April 17, 2006 – The Defense Science Board will conduct a summer study on a topic that would have been inconceivable when the Defense Department established the board 50 years ago this year: the military implications of Internet search engines, online journals and “blogs.”
Kenneth Krieg, undersecretary of defense for acquisition, technology and logistics and a former Defense Science Board member himself, requested the study on “Information Management for Net-Centric Operations” to help evaluate the implications of the information network boom.
“Our increasing ability to leverage information and networking will be a critical enabling factor in developing better ways to work with others in the (U.S. government) and with both coalition and nontraditional partners as we, collectively, undertake the challenging missions of the 21st century,” he wrote.
http://www.defenselink.mil/ news/ Apr2006/ 20060417_4846.html
April 18th, 2006 at 10:21 amWhat? we’ve allowed al Qaeda to infiltrate our press?
Wow, we must SUCK at fighting terror!
No? We don’t? We’re winning the terror fight? Then how come the press is being infiltrated by al Qaeda?
:poking the rummy to watch it squirm:
April 18th, 2006 at 10:26 amYeah. I don’t know if I buy Rumsfeld’s reasoing either believe it or not, but recently even Comedy Central is backing down to the terrorists.
As for the generals, I still can’t get passed why they didn’t express this point of view privately when there were on active duty. The Bush administration is unquestionably pro-military. I could see if they had expressed those concerns and not been listened to, then it would be ok to be upset. But, to just come out and say Rumsfeld was wrong when you were part of the team helping make decisions is wrong in my opinion.
April 18th, 2006 at 10:27 amRummy and BushCo are manipulating the media, filling the airwaves with their propaganda. We are living in an extremely dangerous time. We must somehow endure another 1007 DAYS of this.
April 18th, 2006 at 10:28 amOh Snap! He just connected U.S. Citizens who disagree with the Chickenhawks to Zarqawi and bin Laden??
April 18th, 2006 at 10:30 amThat looks like a pre-alleged-Oxycontin photo of Rush.
April 18th, 2006 at 10:37 amRush STILL didn’t get the CBS chair. He is the only hope they have left to help rewrite history for these impotent old men who have abrogated the Government for their feeble plans. Elitist, Aristocratic Capitalists. I bet Rush owns a lot of stock in Roche too.
April 18th, 2006 at 10:38 amOf course Bushco doesn’t manipulate the press at all. Lies and deception define the Bushit presidency. Manipulation is rampant in our government. Fucking rummy is beyond belief, the sooner he dies the better for the world and the better for the ruination of hell. Fucking retarded beligerent stupid senile old fool.
April 18th, 2006 at 10:42 amI did not know my criticism of the Iraq war was the result of a Jedi mind trick.
April 18th, 2006 at 10:49 amI think Rummy did die. His soul is already burning in H-E-double toothpicks. What we see on our teevees now is a reanimated corpse, powered by some kind of positronic brain programmed solely for evil.
April 18th, 2006 at 10:50 amBush administration is unquestionably pro-military.
They are unquestionably militaristic. Not the same thing.
April 18th, 2006 at 10:52 amThis scumbag believes that because the GOP and the white house has lots of media commitees to twist the truth then some rogue terrorist in Iraq also have them. He is sooo out of synk with reality …
April 18th, 2006 at 10:55 amYeah. I don’t know if I buy Rumsfeld’s reasoing either believe it or not, but recently even Comedy Central is backing down to the terrorists.
Or they agreed to go with Matt Stone and Trey Parker’s joke since the entire episode was about censorship. After all, the supposed censoring of the image of Muhammed then “forced” Stone & Parker to mock Jesus once again.
But you go right ahead and believe that Comedy Central “backed down to the terrorists,” honey. I know it makes you feel better than believing that, once again, Matt and Trey fooled you.
April 18th, 2006 at 10:57 amAfter some mild criticism in late 2004, the Congressional GOP has been predictably silent about Rumsfeld:
“I said no. My answer is still no. No confidence. I have strenuously argued for larger troop numbers in Iraq…There are very strong differences of opinion between myself and Secretary Rumsfeld on that issue.”
- John McCain
“That soldier and those men and women [in uniform] deserved a far better answer from their secretary of defense than a flippant comment. I wonder what the parents of the men and women over there, sons and daughters who are fighting, I do not think that they appreciated that answer.”
- Chuck Hagel
Compare that to the GOP war on Les Aspin after the BlackHawk Down episode of 1993. For the details, see:
April 18th, 2006 at 10:57 am“General Agreement: Rumsfeld Fails the Aspin Test.”
GEE i guess Bin Laden and Al Zawahiri arent doing their job to well since they too are NOT reporting the ‘GOOD NEWS”
April 18th, 2006 at 11:02 amThis is coming from Mr. Rumsfeld who has rubbed shoulders with the worst of the worst.
Also, while you are at my site check out the comments of the Michelle Malkin readers.
April 18th, 2006 at 11:08 amI admit it. I get secret messages from Osama. He tells me to post here in an effort to tear down the legitimacy of the bushco administration.
Whew! that is sure a load off my mind.
April 18th, 2006 at 11:08 amSounds like Rummy’s hallucinating. He must have been drinking from Rush’s kool-aid cup. Its hard to say what might have been in the cup but the side effects are seemingly delusional and inoherent thoughts.
more observations here:
http://www.thoughttheater.com
April 18th, 2006 at 11:09 amPoor baby Bush was quite rattled on the tube this morning, nearly screaming mad and professing his solid stand for Rummy. Bushie does not like any one to challenge his kingly mandates. Clearly all this administration is either sharing drugs with Rush or totaly insane. I take that back they are both, drugged and insane. Keep the pressure on and watch the nut cases self distruct……..Blessings
April 18th, 2006 at 11:09 amRush Limbaugh is a fat blow hard with nothing to say, that’s why he comes up with these stupid remarks. This drug taking, doctor shopping overpaid under worked idiot needs to shut up and start using his pea sized brain before opening his pie hole. I can’t believe someone who thinks he’s soo intelligent could say something so dumb. I wish Rush could explain exactly how the war critics are beling manipulated by terrorist. I guess they wait to hear from the terrorist so they can get the talking points and then make a statement against the war. If we were winning the war then terrorist couldn’t be making any statements at all.
It way passed the time for Rumsfeld to go and idiots like Limbaugh can’t understand that the Defense Secretary can actually cost the lives of our soldiers by making stupid mistakes. Unlike Rush I served in the United States Army as an Infantryman and I know the kind of bull that the Pentagon and senior officials can order you to do. There were tens of times they had us doing things that didn’t make any sense at all. What Rush doesn’t understand is that quite often Defense Secretarys don’t have a clue. They just blindly give orders without all of the facts and some of the time even when they do, their orders don’t make sense. It’s the poor foot soldier standing there with the rifle in his hand who has to face the bullets and get shot because of the stupidy of his leaders.
It doesn’t take getting hit by a bullet for me as someone who as been there and done that to call for the Secretary to go. I’ve been calling for Rumsfeld to go for over two years. The thing that really upsets me is fat Rush critizing these former Generals when he never served a day. All he’s done is wrap himself in the blanket of freedom that former soldiers like the General and I provided and then has the never to critize those who provided the freedom in the first place. Stop the madness Rush! You are a fool Rush! Freedom means nothing if the ones who helped to maintain it can’t critize the Secretary of Defense.
April 18th, 2006 at 11:11 amBack in the days when Rumsfeld worked for Tricky Dick Nixon he was already showing symptoms of paranoia. His condition seems to have worsened over the years.
April 18th, 2006 at 11:11 amMy local paper today had a “Letter to the Editor” from a local Bush-hating, terrorist apologist. This idiot was wringing his hands over the family in Iraq killed by Iraqi and US military forces while being visited by a relative who was a member of al-Qaeda. He described the fire fight and ensuing battle which took the lives of people aged 6 months to 75 years. Did he blame the terrorist son of a b*^ch for putting his family in danger with his “visit”? Did he blame the idiot family for welcoming this dangerous relative with open arms?? Of course not. I guess it proves the old adage that those who play with fire might get burned…
For all of you appeasers of radical Islam and all of you “kindly sensitive”
types who just want to share a Coke and a smile with those who wish the West dead, I hear they have a few openings on the Christian Peaemakers Teams…..
Have a GREAT day - - ’til later today…..
April 18th, 2006 at 11:14 amWe’re being manipulated by terrorists…
Or so Donald Rumsfeld would have people believe. Here’s Rumsfeld speaking about war critics with Rush Limbaugh:There have always been people who have opposed wars … I think we just have to accept it, that people have a right to…
April 18th, 2006 at 11:17 amIt’s true…I was just reading an analysis yesterday ( can’t find any hard reporting anymore) by Joe Stalin too. The recipes were written by Idi Amin, and the Business section had contributions by Adolf Hitler. The travel section was dominated by Atilla the Hun. Damned liberal media!
April 18th, 2006 at 11:17 am#19 - CStorms,
How do we know that these men didn’t voice their opinions privately? One has to realize that, for these men, the chain of command is pretty small (in some of their cases, only 2 or 3 people before Rumsfeld himself) and individuals in senior command positions are notoriously tight lipped about any kind of dissention (they don’t want it filtering down to the troops beneath them). I have had occassion to know and work for many flag-level officers and the grand majority of them are very principled men and women. I would be willing to assure you that these men did not just decide to speak out as they have on a whim. There would have been careful deliberation as to the ramifications of their actions. I have seen many people here and elsewhere chastise them for not speaking out while they were still on active duty. What many without military experience fail to realize is that there are strict rules built into the UCMJ deliniating “political” behavior. Politics while in uniform is frowned upon (I don’t know if you remember the outcry during 2004 when many officers stood behind Sen. Kerry at a rally) and there are VERY strict rules governing speaking ill of one’s superior officers (it is a potentially jailable offense to do so while they are still under their commission). Personally, I applaud each and every one of these men. They have realized something that poses a threat to the safety of the men and women they commanded and have spoken up about it knowing full well that they would receive the “swift-boat” treatment. Believe it or not, to do so at all, takes immense courage…something most of these men obviously have in abundance.
As for Rummy’s assertion on LimpBalls’ show: He’s gone completely round the bend. Bars in the windows, truly gone fishin’, batshit insane is what you are Mr. Secretary.
April 18th, 2006 at 11:17 amter·ror·ism (n.)
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.
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That’s the dictionary definition. How is that not exactly what the Bush Administration is doing?
April 18th, 2006 at 11:29 amResponsibilty for one’s actions is like KRYPTONITE to Republicans……
Every problem in the world is the fault of the media, democrats, secularists, gays, minoritites, or muslims…….
They really are a disgrace to this nation……..
April 18th, 2006 at 11:29 amHEY “RUMMY!! PROJECT MUCH?
US military planting stories in Iraqi papers
April 18th, 2006 at 11:31 amhttp://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1201/dailyUpdate.html
Rumsfeld and Limbaugh are the lowest life forms on planet Earth! They both spew insidious propaganda and are criminal warmongers! We who oppose the Iraq war fiasco, and the Bush Regime lies, do so out of convictions that war for OIL is wrong! Osama has NO influence over me, and the American press is manipulated by the GOP, not Islamic terrorists! For Rumsfeld to insinuate that those who oppose their warfare are traitors goes beyong disgusting! Rummy must resign immediately from his position, as Secretary of Defense, for war crimes!
April 18th, 2006 at 11:35 amI guess if Rummy’s military was any good, they would have captured or killed OBL and Zarqawi a long time ago. Should have been pretty easy, since they just have AKs and RPGs, and Rummy’s boys have satellites, Predator Drones, B-52s, F-15s, F-16s, Apaches, Warthogs, Bradleys, Abrams, Tomahawks, long range artillery, etc., etc…….
April 18th, 2006 at 11:37 amfile this under w.t.f.
April 18th, 2006 at 11:40 amMIGHTY HYPOCRITE…. i was wondering when you were going to come to ‘work’. IRI already picked up his paycheck from the repugs for his previous post. you are late!! You are a cold and sad person if you cannot empathize with a man who lost his family! i dont care if he was Iraqi or a gorrilla, loss of life for anyone is tragic. im sure they dont mean anything in YOUR pleasant life but to switch the blame and somehow indict this man for having a visit from a ’supposed’ al qaeda member of his family shows just how cold and mean you really are. you are an embarrassment!!!!
April 18th, 2006 at 11:42 amJay - you would appreciate this I think. I saw a bumper sticker this morning that read:
“Killing for peace is like screwing for virginity”
April 18th, 2006 at 11:48 amMeg,
Considering Mighty Medusa pitched a serious temper tantrum when I scolded him last week about lying and joking about his supposed dead child to garner sympathy because Ryan had beaten him in a series of debates, it’s even more appalling when he cannot have sympathy for the grieving mothers of real dead children. And further proof that he is a he with an imaginary family. Pathetic.
April 18th, 2006 at 11:49 amBush et al have been the most propagandaizing bunch since Hitler’s crew. Terrorism and “9-11″ have been used as the rationale for a systematic destruction of American society and the erosion of freedom that we once held so dear.
April 18th, 2006 at 11:53 amI don’t think that the media realizes they are being used by the terrorists.
April 18th, 2006 at 11:53 amgeorge bush is the problem. I can’t help but believe that bush/cheney enjoy seeing the focus on rummy as it keeps it off of them. Rummy is simply the water carrier for bush/cheney ~ why don’t they get rid of him? Because he’s doing what they want!
April 18th, 2006 at 12:00 pmI don’t think that the media realizes they are being used by the terrorists.
Comment by Tracy — April 18, 2006 @ 11:53 am
Of course not. But Rumsfeld, Bush and Cheney like to use people in this manner.
April 18th, 2006 at 12:00 pmMr. Rumsfeld knows his audience and is preaching to the choir. Who, but the ditto heads buy into this nonsense? Mr. Rumsfeld needs to drum up support and the fact that the listeners are gullible works well for him.
April 18th, 2006 at 12:05 pmFor chrissake, stop blaming the media and take some PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY for administration actions in Iraq and the resulting chaos!
April 18th, 2006 at 12:05 pmRe: #40.
#19, this may help you.
Right wing pundit Larry Kudlow had John Fund of the Wall Street Journal on his show and Jonathan Alter from Newsweek to discuss the Rumsfeld thing. Kudlow noted ( accurately ) that this current push by so many prominent retired generals is unprecedented in American history.
I don’t remember which of his two guests made the following observation ( I will guess that it was Alter ). The way it usually happens is that the top generals make their opinions known to the White House when they are dissatisfied with the Secretary of Defense. This is debated back and forth and then the White House takes action and “reassigns” ( fires ) the Secretary of Defense.
Given that this administration has a reputation for not taking any advice that does not originate from within the “inner circle” - which includes Rumsfeld ( even if the advice comes from other Republicans like Colin Powell or Norman Schwarzkopf ) - I think you can imagine (a) that there is a good chance that these generals did not even get a sit down with the president - or - (b) they did get an audience and walked away with nothing more than a smile and a handshake - or - (c) they got some rendition of “Whoa, wait a minute guys ! Rummy is doing a heck of a job !!! …”
So, since this was not handled properly behind close doors, ( since the political fallout would never stay behind closed doors if Bush canned Rummy ) - you have to hear about it in this unprecedented way.
As far as this particular comment made on the Limbaugh show - it should not surprise anyone.
This is the same guy that said there was no insurgency back in November of 2005. At that time, close to 2000 U.S. Soldiers had already been killed.
So, #19 - there is a real good chance these generals tried to take care of things quietly.
But at the end of the day - if your Secretary of Defense appears to be mentally ill - and the president does not remove him - what does that make this
April 18th, 2006 at 12:06 pmpresident?
The Central Committee for Media Manipulation…
Oh was a deluded world Donald Rumsfeld lives in…
April 18th, 2006 at 12:07 pm#38 Nobody is buying the “lines” any longer, dude. Everybody can see the way you work and the way you go about distorting and diverting. An example:
1. You guys wait around until someone from the admin can think of a spin (in this case, General Meyers, who has a vested interest as he owes Bush for hiring his daughter).
2. You listen closely to exactly what they say and you repeat it, verbatim.
3. You then gather a list of all those that disagree and are vocal about it and smear them. Often, there are invented stories batted about and you want so badly to find some dirt, you will buy any story told and are more than happy to spread filth around.
4. You come here thinking you have some news for us and to try desperately to believe as you do. Which we never do because we do research and find the truth. You don’t want the truth, you want to hear what you want to be true. That is why you people have invented Fox. It is the only place you know they will only what you wish were true.
Do you never wonder why it is only Fox that has these “breaking” stories? Do you ever wonder why all of their reporters are unknowns or are from other stations that have ditched them because of their lack of objectivity?
Well, you also have no objectivity. That is why you have no credibility here. I’m guessing you don’t have too many folks to talk with about these issues as most, especially now, will find you ridiculous.
I know you need to blather and vent here as no one wants to hear it any longer. That is fine; we will use your silly little talking points as ammunition against you as we do daily. You post your nonsense as soon as you hear it from Rush or Bill without even doing any of your own investigating. You believe them lock, stock and barrel which is your downfall. You have listened to idiots so long that you have melded with them.
Most know now that their vote for Bush was a mistake. They understand that he has the blood of nearly 3,000 Americans and thousands of innocent Iraqis on his hands over a LIE. You hated that Clinton lied about sex and said that he disgraced the office. No one died because of it and many repubs got much needed publicity.
Some people get ahead by doing a good job and some get ahead by making others look bad. Like I said at first, no one is buying the one-liners and the spin. We need more as American voters than “hey look over there.” Try something new, think.
April 18th, 2006 at 12:08 pmFrom cnn:
Bush: ‘I’m the decider’
President Bush today forcefully defended his defense secretary, saying Donald Rumsfeld is doing a fine job. “I hear the voices, and I read the front page and I know the speculation,” the president said. “But I’m the decider, and I decide what’s best. And what’s best is for Don Rumsfeld to remain as the secretary of defense.”
(we know he means that he’s the dictator… :)
April 18th, 2006 at 12:13 pmTry something new, think.
Comment by progressive and proud — April 18, 2006 @ 12:08 pm
Great post! Touche’!
April 18th, 2006 at 12:14 pmUNBELIEVABLE… i prefer to call ‘he’ and ‘it’. :). i am just dumbfounded by the insensitivity in ‘its’ posts. this person seriously has a problem.
April 18th, 2006 at 12:16 pmto call ‘it’ mean spirited would be kind! im thinking more like ’sociopath’!
Media committees. That’s so damn cute.
#33 - I always wondered about you, kindness. ;)
#60 - GWB does ramble, doesn’t he? He hears voices?
April 18th, 2006 at 12:18 pmGee .. I wonder who is on the Zarqawi and Osama Media Committee? I wonder if it’s anyone I know? i wonder … if … could it be YOU? Are YOU on Osama’s Media Committee? Or YOU? Or you or you or you??!!!
Why am I getting flashbacks to the old “there are Communists in Hollywood” scare of the ’50s?
April 18th, 2006 at 12:19 pmMeg,
He and it are both appropriate, as in animate objects have zero feeling either. ;)
I think you’re right. Ryan had posted several descriptions of sociopaths and MA fits them all. Scary how much so.
I used to pity him, but as he has no soul, I stopped wasting my emotions. At some point, you may as well :)
April 18th, 2006 at 12:20 pm“There have always been people who have opposed wars…” Really? So, is this a “bad” thing opposing wars? Or just so frick’n obvious as to be ludicrous?
April 18th, 2006 at 12:20 pmYES, you frick’n moron, there are many people who oppose war, especially when they’re waged on a pack of lies!
And to suggest that the MSM is being manipulated by terrorists is simply the ultimate in scapegoating ever to be mentioned. There ought to be an award given for this utterance of lunacy. But, alas, bush will probably give rummy the “Medal of Freedom” award along with ex-CIA tenants “Slam-dunk” remark. (sigh)
GWB does ramble, doesn’t he? He hears voices?
Comment by Zookeeper — April 18, 2006 @ 12:18 pm
So he says… which he mistakes for the voice of God. Scary, huh?
April 18th, 2006 at 12:21 pmBush: ‘I’m the decider’
I saw that CNN clip. “I’m the decider. I decide things. That’s what I do here. I decide deshishuns.”
Blech.
April 18th, 2006 at 12:21 pmNotice that Bush no longer says anyone is doing “a heckuva job.” Now they do “a fine job.”
April 18th, 2006 at 12:23 pmPost 49 Jules > Thanks for the bumper sticker quote, I needed a laugh!
Did you notice how Rumsfeld over the weekend said the Generals asking him to resign did not bother him, but that was an act because his getting with Rush Limbaugh is to slime them all! Rummy shows his true self by calling us traitors for opposing his sinister sick warfare! I have called for his resignation for over 2 years, and he better pack his bags because he has insulted the entire nation now!
April 18th, 2006 at 12:23 pm#54 Enough with the stupid one liners. Geez you sound stupid. You crow like a parrot saying the exact same thing over and over. We are not buying it! Don’t you get it? You just sound silly. If you actually believe what these morons say, you deserve to be so angry.
If you believe this stupid shit, you are just uneducatable or just low IQ, like Bush, and don’t have the capacity to understand that you are being sold a ridiculous excuse. You are being used by fools to spread idiotic propaganda. You are a Bush apologist and must have to put in lots of hours if you actually believe someone who made sure he wasn’t going to fight for his country over six individuals who have fought hard because you didn’t want to.
Or, you don’t believe this horse puckey, but care so much more about winning as a party and not as a country, that you will do anything in your power to keep winning no matter what. This would make you a really sick person. If this is the case, you are doomed to be unhappy forever.
So which is it? Are you in denial or do you just want a republican in every office no matter how bad they are or how much they lie? Is it about power or saving face? You know it isn’t about what is good for America, or you wouldn’t be smearing lifelong generals. Which is really pathetic.
April 18th, 2006 at 12:25 pmHas anyone in the Right Wing Lemmingdompubbiehood realized how self-serving & narcissistic it is to believe that Zarqawi and Bin Laden act on the basis of the U.S. media & opinion polls ?!?!!!
Jeepers.
April 18th, 2006 at 12:28 pmSomeone explain to me why this administration paints anyone against the war as anti-american or un-partriotic.
In my eyes the exact opposite is true.
April 18th, 2006 at 12:32 pmI LOVE the follow up on this thread! Hey, at least we can civilly talk and joke about morbid/delusional leaders. Except of course Mighty A….tsk, tsk tsk. You’re gloating about a family that was killed cause they got caught in a firefight because a visiting relative? For the record…Mighty, you’ll make one sorry ass horrible Mom (MA’s a female folks, she’s posted referring to her husband previously). Your kid is gonna grow up to be a Terry Nichols Federal Building bomber cause you’re gonna feed it nothing but hate and bile. Please abort any pregnancies you come upon for America’s sake.
OK, that was a tad cold. Don’t abort your baby, give it up for adoption just like you think other women facing unwanted pregnancies should do. There, that’s better.
April 18th, 2006 at 12:35 pmWhat is really funny is how Rummy makes it sound like being against war just in general is a bad or immoral thing in and of itself. I’m trying to remember… What was it Jesus said again?
It’s pretty sad when an agnostic does a better job following the teachings of Christ than his supposed followers…
April 18th, 2006 at 12:37 pm“You just sound silly. If you actually believe what these morons say, you deserve to be so angry.”
You seem to be talking to yourself.
April 18th, 2006 at 12:42 pm#18 I know people (general officers) who were involved with the planning for the war. Tommie Franks (and for the life of me I cannot understand why he is protecting him) went to rummy with a plan for 350,000 men. Rummy said “no way.” So he came back with a plan for 300,000 and again Rummy said “no way.” After a number of these exchanges he asked Rummy “how many” Rummy gave him the number and he went back and they made the plan. The military is under civilian control. Rummy runs this ship like “it’s my way or the highway.” Many of the senior officers have put in 30 + years working for reasonable people. For the citizens to judge them wrong cause they didn’t come out while they were on active duty don’t have a clue as to what they are talking about. I know my career ended prematurely.
April 18th, 2006 at 12:44 pm#67 It is just so stupid it borders insanity. So, saying terrorists love our media is enough for someone? That’s it? Our media is giving solice to terrorists? So they sit around eating hummus and waiting to see what Katie Couric says? Give me a break, no one could be THAT stupid. It’s like saying eating crepes means you love France thus you hate America thus you must be communist. It is moronic and redneck. And I KNOW redneck, I’m in a red state where they all vote for Bush and guns. I refuse to continue to let the low IQ nonthinkers continue to make decisions for me that they are not mentally equipped to do.
April 18th, 2006 at 12:44 pm#54
Then the NY Times and the LA Times are truely clueless?
April 18th, 2006 at 12:45 pmI have to ask - is decider a word?
April 18th, 2006 at 12:47 pmPhilosophical mutual masturbation. Wonder if they washed their hands after???
April 18th, 2006 at 12:48 pm#67
Hey that’s Moussaoui’s BS defense! He is sure to get off now.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12371260/
April 18th, 2006 at 12:48 pmP & P - that was great!! What does hummas taste like?
Why can’t republicans be as funny as progressives? Is it that the kool-aide is so sour?
April 18th, 2006 at 12:51 pm[…] Think Progress catches Rumsfeld and Limbaugh talking about Zarqawi and Bin Laden’s “media committees”. Ridiculous and unbelievably patronizing… […]
April 18th, 2006 at 12:55 pmThese fooles constantly conflate Iraq to the “war on terror.” Coward chicken hawk bastard!
April 18th, 2006 at 1:02 pmThen the NY Times and the LA Times are truely clueless?
Comment by Tracy — April 18, 2006 @ 12:45 pm
Was making a sarcastic play off you saying ‘terrorists’. I consider the Bush Regime to be terrorists.
April 18th, 2006 at 1:05 pmI have to ask - is decider a word?
Comment by Jules — April 18, 2006 @ 12:47 pm
As a Science teacher to a Math teacher… :), I’m guessing it’s as close as he can come to calling himself a dictator, but not a real word.
April 18th, 2006 at 1:07 pmRummy rambling on CNN now……..Geeeeeees the shit just get’s to deep to scoop even with a giant Clydesdale scooper……Blessings
April 18th, 2006 at 1:15 pmJules and Unbelievable, the administration policy regarding the english language is that ‘if the president says it, it’s a word’. A great ’strategery’, no? Never ‘misunderestimate’ these folks
April 18th, 2006 at 1:20 pmThis kind of statement from the Defense Secretary is horrifyingly similar to the arguments made in Germany and Japan as they were losing the war.
When lies become so desperate and pathetic like these, you know the end is near.
The sad thing is that the dead are dead and Iraq is in ruins no matter how hard we fire Rumsfeld. Even if he goes to jail, the damage is already done, much like virtually everything this administration has done. Lasting damage that will still be there after American’s wake up and make a change.
Can’t say that we don’t deserve everything that has happened. We put these people in power and now we have to pay. I am guilty too, I voted for him twice.
April 18th, 2006 at 1:22 pmQuadrajet, thanks for the reminder. I forgot that Newspeak is now the official language in the United States.
April 18th, 2006 at 1:23 pmFuck off Don, you arrogant pile of dung. That is the lamest rationalization I’ve seen yet from this idiot and that’s saying a lot. The man does not have the character to take responsiblity for his poor management of the war…it’s as simple as that.
April 18th, 2006 at 1:25 pmQuadrajet, thanks for the reminder. I forgot that Newspeak is now the official language in the United States.
Comment by unbelievable — April 18, 2006 @ 1:23 pm
We call it ‘boobonics’ down here, but newspeak works too
April 18th, 2006 at 1:28 pm#76 Yet, it is you. Get a clue, you are being left out of reality. And really, nice retort genius.
April 18th, 2006 at 1:30 pm#72 There is always an idiot like Tracy around to buy whatever is being sold. Just look at her reply to me - ‘I know you are, but what am I?’ Really intelligent back and forth from those that listen to drug addicts and post what they hear. I expect no more from Tracy and her ilk.
It is nice to see how they work though. They form opinions on emotions, not education and thorough review. They let others do their thinking for them; they just repeat the lines.
#83 I love hummus.
April 18th, 2006 at 1:40 pmHow Cheney Operates
It isn’t Bush that’s keeping Rumsfeld on, … it’s President Cheney.
April 18th, 2006 at 1:44 pmThey are actively out there trying to manipulate the press in the United States. They are very good at it.
Maybe the Bushies could ask them for some lessons?
April 18th, 2006 at 1:47 pmThey have it ASS BACKWARDS!
U.S. military plays up role of Zarqawi
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12243324/
The U.S. military is conducting a propaganda campaign to magnify the role of the leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq, according to internal military documents and officers familiar with the program. The effort has raised his profile in a way that some military intelligence officials believe may have overstated his importance and helped the Bush administration tie the war to the organization responsible for the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.
The documents explicitly list the “U.S. Home Audience” as one of the targets of a broader propaganda campaign.
Osama bin Laden: A dead nemesis perpetuated by the US government
April 18th, 2006 at 1:50 pmhttp://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osama_dead.html
Abu Musab al-Zarqawi: The Dead Voice of “al Qaeda” in Iraq
i have to think Colin Powell is laughing his ass off right now!
April 18th, 2006 at 1:50 pm#75 I agree 100%. I am in NO way religious. Hell, Jesus said not to worship with the hyprocrites (republican evangelicals who want everybody to know they are religious because they surely do not act that way) but pray alone.
Look it up trolls, hurry now. Borrow one of Rush’s bibles and scurry.
April 18th, 2006 at 1:50 pm“They are actively out there trying to manipulate the press in the United States. They are very good at it.” — Isn’t he really just describing himself and the rest of the Bush Administration??? What a hypocritical liar and what a weak statement to make!
April 18th, 2006 at 1:52 pm[…] Think Progress is reported what is the most retarded thing I’ve heard from the Administration this week. (They always manage to top themselves, so expect something worse by Thursday!) Yesterday on Rush Limbaugh, embattled Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld said that those who criticize the Iraq war are being manipulated by terrorists, including Zarqawi and bin Laden, through the U.S. media: There have always been people who have opposed wars…I think we just have to accept it, that people have a right to say what they want to say, and to have an acceptance of that and recognize that the terrorists, Zarqawi and bin Laden and Zawahiri, those people have media committees. […]
April 18th, 2006 at 1:53 pmWe try to tell our kids how important education is and the importance of being well-spoken and this idiot comes along and makes up words to fill in the blank recess of his festering mind.
How did we come to this? It is terrifying that this person is in charge of our country.
April 18th, 2006 at 1:55 pm#103 How did we come to this? Ask Tracy.
April 18th, 2006 at 1:59 pmI have rarely read anything from any terrorist in the media… most complaints seem to be about the actions of this administration. We dont need to be told by some terrorists that being lied to by the administration to start a war is wrong… I think most Americans are perfectly capable of figuring that out for themselves.
April 18th, 2006 at 2:01 pm#95
Isn’t it obvious that you are the one who is ANGRY? You do read your own posts…don’t you?
April 18th, 2006 at 2:04 pmrumsfeld is long on rhetoric, short on evidence.
as usual from the right wing mouth breathers.
April 18th, 2006 at 2:05 pm#86
“I consider the Bush Regime to be terrorists.”
And Iran’s regime? Hamas the leaders of the Palestinians?
April 18th, 2006 at 2:07 pmThat picture of Rush looks like it was taken 20 years and 150 pounds ago.
April 18th, 2006 at 2:10 pm#106 Nice try fool but you look even dumber the more you post. I laugh when I write you and laugh harder when I read your itty bitty posts.
Once again, you cannot read emotions very well. I am not surprised.
BTW, I am smiling right now, you? I am happy to know that you are marginalized as what you really are - just another lemming for the president with the lowest IQ ever. How could you have thought for a minute that he would do anything intelligent? Silly troll, tricks are for kids.
Got anger? Not me.:-)
April 18th, 2006 at 2:12 pmTracy
Hamas was once supported by Israel to counter the PLO. Israel was itself created through terrorism, ie the King David Hotel Bombing. The US overthrew the Government in Iran in 1953 and from that you got the blowback of the Hostage Crisis. The best way to stop the terror is to stop screwing around with other countries. If we call the deaths of 3,000 Americans on 911 what the hell do you call the deaths of 250,000 Iraqis killed by smart bombs and dumb bullets? The entire US Governent are War Criminals. US Forces are a terrorist organization, the US Corporate Liberal Media is nothing but lies and propaganda. I look forward to all of them being brought to justice, Republican AND Demcrat. Fluff up the feather pillows, heat the tar, get rope
April 18th, 2006 at 2:12 pm#108 Do you have anything to say with any substance? It is really too easy here. C’mon, give us something with teeth in it. Give us any rational argument. We are dying here with your one liners and Pee Wee Herman inpersonations. We need a bit more than one sentence. Rush is on so listen to him and come back with his, er your thoughts.
Waiting patiently…
April 18th, 2006 at 2:14 pmwow. everything they know we can blame them for ( pentagon spends billions on domestic and foriegn PR.. .duh and have ”many” business relations with the bin laden family, not only the bush family in numerous ways but Thomas Kean and his famous conspiracy novel ).. they have twisted right back around on us.
same story again.
if you are against the war you are with the terrorists.
if we do business with the terrorists we are god.. i mean good.
time to buy your rifles because these people will never stop.
April 18th, 2006 at 2:15 pm#86
“I consider the Bush Regime to be terrorists.â€
And Iran’s regime? Hamas the leaders of the Palestinians?
Comment by Tracy
Iran = Revolutionaries that have turned to terrorism since they could not get help from the US/UN to stop the creation is Israel, nor could they destroy Israel through war.
Hamas = Freedom fighters that have turned to terrorism since 1) The zionists started the terrorism in the 1930s, 2) The US/UN would not block the creation of Israel, 3) They can not defeat American military equipment in zionist hands.
Should they have turned to terrorism? I think not. America did not turn to terrorism to win its freedom, however britian didnt see it that way because we did use gorilla tactics instead of just walking out in big lines to be mowed down by redcoats. Personally I would have chosen to do what the IRA did… assinate their leaders over and over. (The IRA did dabble in terrorism, but apparently they didnt feel it got them what they were after … which is why the arabs should stop)
But you are trying to make it look like they are just bored and so they go out and kill people. They have a very good reason to be pissed. I dont blame them for that… their tactics (terrorism) is dishonorable… Then again so is what has been and still is being done to them. If the west would make amends for what it has done and continues to do then that would take away their excuses they use to justify terrorism (in their minds).
April 18th, 2006 at 2:18 pmWhat Rumsfeld is really doing here is projecting. Since the military are very fond of spreading propaganda in Iraq by paying Iraqi newspapers to print news with positive content towards the occupation, he cannot think American media can have any other motivation to run the stories they do.
As part of an information offensive in Iraq, the U.S. military is secretly paying Iraqi newspapers to publish stories written by American troops in an effort to burnish the image of the U.S. mission in Iraq.(…)
The military’s effort to disseminate propaganda in the Iraqi media is taking place even as U.S. officials are pledging to promote democratic principles, political transparency and freedom of speech in a country emerging from decades of dictatorship and corruption.
U.S. Military Covertly Pays to Run Stories in Iraqi Press
The Los Angeles Times reported Wednesday that the U.S. military has been paying Iraqi newspapers to print pro-American stories written by U.S. information operations troops.
A Knight Ridder investigation has found that the American military’s information operations have been far more extensive.
In addition to the Army’s secret payments to Iraqi newspaper, radio and television journalists for positive stories, U.S. psychological-warfare officers have been involved in writing news releases and drafting media strategies for top commanders, two defense officials said.
U.S. military pays Iraqis for positive news stories on war
Once again, Sec Rumsfeld opened his mouth and revealed more about himself than about the people he tried to smear.
April 18th, 2006 at 2:29 pmIt’s come to the point where even the bravest, strongest, most reputable citizens in our country, the soldiers and the generals of soldiers, have to find safe ground before they tell the truth. Retirement, for the generals, is just that. So look for new legislation to be introduced to strip the pensions from any ex-soldier who speaks out against the admin.
April 18th, 2006 at 2:41 pmThey know how to deal with opposition… peaceful opposition, anyway. Suppression. Punishment. Fear. Works well for them. Anyone with anything to lose has to know it will be taken from them if they speak up, eh?
I heard today, that we are already infiltrating Iran. People…. it’s now or never!
April 18th, 2006 at 2:48 pmI confess, Don is right. And the next time Osama and I get together we’ll have a good laugh about how easy it is to fool the American people!
WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!!
All this talk about the press or Democrats or Republicans is so stale~~ let’s get to the basics~~~~Forget the silly notions about that Saddam killed X amount of people, let’s not compare bodycounts pre-action and post-Saddam. Forget women’s rights or propaganda about shredders or rape rooms. After all we torture people too. We killed innocents too. We support allies who are worse than Saddam. We shouldn’t care about everything.
So why did we have to remove Saddam?
By removing Saddam, we prevented a much larger war in the future since if he ever acquired WMDs, he would have been nearly impossible to remove. We cant allow a guy like that to become too powerful. Any problem in that region also makes oil prices go up - no-one wants that instability. It costs too much money.
Also now we have bases there, and a military port in the Persian Gulf. We are scaring Iran and Syria into behaving. If they dont, they will be bombed back into the stone age.
All in all, strategically the Iraq war was the best thing that could have happened to that region.
Invasion of Iraq with minimal casualties
Arrest of Saddam
Democratic election
Formation of new Iraqi government
Methodical destruction of insurgency
Only 2000+ casualties after three years
US Military bases in Iraq
US Military port in Um Qasr
Anyone who says this policy is not worth it, is simply ignorant
The world owes us a big thank you.
In short, the Saddam regime defied us so many times, making us look like fools. He even refused to get out of Kuwait and made us waste American lives in doing so. He tortured American pilots.
He was our puppet in the region to control Iran, and he thought he didnt need us anymore.
Well now he’s in jail and we took pro-active control.
You see we need to have that region safe and secure - its an important region because of the oil. The world turns on oil - we must make sure the region doesnt explode in some WMD war in the future. Now we prevented it
Support our effort
If you are a real American, you will definitely support our Iraq Policy. 1800 or even 3000 KIAs in return for having military bases in Iraq and pro-active control of the region at our fingertips, and a democracy installed in Iraq, are a windfall for the US economy and security.
The casualties suffered are very very light for having invaded a nation and occupied it for 2.5 years. It is incredible, so magnificent that so much has been gained with the deaths of so few.
Again, if you really are a REAL American, you would surely support the Iraq Policy to a tee.
I also believe this war was mismanaged and Rumsfeld made several key errors, not least of which was the small force idea and the lack of planning re: post-Saddam chaos. However, having said that, we still did great!
Hillary Clinton said the United States should remain in Iraq until peace can be maintained by the Iraqi people, and said the mission was part of the “long struggle against terrorism” by the U.S. And I think most Americans agree, except for the insane antiwar crowd.
So lets support our troops until those Iraqi soldiers can secure their own country
=) thanks
What did we accomplish?
We secured Iraq, make a statement to the muslims that we are in charge, we have military bases next to the oil fields, we will have the largest ever embassy in Baghdad, and we will stay there with a garrison forever.
These are issues of National Security and National Interests.
Dont be myopic, pan out, zoom out, and see the larger picture. If you are American, you should be proud!
Thank you for reading my long post.
~~~Lisa
April 18th, 2006 at 2:56 pmhttp://blog.360.yahoo.com/ blog-u9DXEy08Y77qGWgb5xBi?p=80
Was Rush wearing a tin foil hat when he said that.
The only manipulating being done is by Rush Limbaugh.
April 18th, 2006 at 2:58 pmStinky cheese man and Dr. aspartamine are both neocons.The definition of a neocon is Israel First.Remember that always whenever you are confronted with this sort of bs.Who benefits?The money laundering aid to Israel must end before we the people will ever have a chance.That country is at the center of all the strife.Add to that the oil barons greed and you have the administration’s agenda.
April 18th, 2006 at 3:00 pmYou see we need to have that region safe and secure - its an important region because of the oil. The world turns on oil - we must make sure the region doesnt explode in some WMD war in the future. Now we prevented it
And what is going to happen when only air is being sucked up out of those oil holes?
The answer is clear. You are an idiot. Bush is an idiot.
The answer is clear. We do not belong over there.
The answer is clear. We have the greatest potential of making use of technology compared to any other country (nuclear bombs were created by America). We should call for the collective brains of this nation to come together under a funded entity with the sole purpose to get America off the oil additiction.
Only an evil asshole goes into another mans house and kills his family and then blames it on the need for oil.
April 18th, 2006 at 3:14 pmLISA…. ‘Forget women’s rights or propaganda about shredders or rape rooms. After all we torture people too. We killed innocents too. We support allies who are worse than Saddam. We shouldn’t care about everything’ ???? are you on crack?.
‘We secured Iraq, make a statement to the muslims that we are in charge, we have military bases next to the oil fields, we will have the largest ever embassy in Baghdad, and we will stay there with a garrison forever’. i dont think so!
April 18th, 2006 at 3:18 pm#118
I can smell the fried baloney from here:
All in all, strategically the Iraq war was the best thing that could have happened to that region.
By installing a fundamentalist theocracy?
Hillary Clinton said the United States should remain in Iraq until peace can be maintained by the Iraqi people, and said the mission was part of the “long struggle against terrorism†by the U.S. And I think most Americans agree, except for the insane antiwar crowd.
You’re calling others “insane” for objecting to a war of choice that has actually made matters worse shows the paucity of your argument.
In short, the Saddam regime defied us so many times, making us look like fools. He even refused to get out of Kuwait and made us waste American lives in doing so.
You do not know much history if this is your assertion: the Kuwatis were slant drilling into Iraqi oil fields, and Saddam ASKED Reagan’s representative, April Glaspie about his invasion of Kuwait, and she said the US wouldn’t get involved.
He tortured American pilots.
Like the Bush administration you throw a bunch of crap on the wall and see what sticks - this isn’t a viable reason for invading other countries.
“Saddam tried to kill my dad” sounds as believeable as “You see we need to have that region safe and secure - its an important region because of the oil. The world turns on oil - we must make sure the region doesnt explode in some WMD war in the future. Now we prevented it ” So Bush was lying when he said it wasn’t about the oil? Pick one and stick with it.
Dont be myopic, pan out, zoom out, and see the larger picture. If you are American, you should be proud!
The “larger picture” is a bloody mural painted by warhawks with no experience in real world politics.
April 18th, 2006 at 3:20 pmLISA… a quick look (it’s all i could stand) of your blog reveals that you are a blatant racist so i guess your opinions are worthless here!
April 18th, 2006 at 3:25 pm[…] war dissenters are the dupes and tools of Zarqawi and al Qaeda There have always been people who have opposed wars…I think we just have to accept it, that people have a right to say what they want to say, and to have an acceptance of that and recognize that the terrorists, Zarqawi and bin Laden and Zawahiri, those people have media committees. […]
April 18th, 2006 at 3:26 pmThey had. The complaints of the general staff at the time of the war starting are well-documented. Look up General Eric Shinseki. It’s standard practice not to complain in public if you’re a serving (not retired) general; in fact, several serving generals have come out recently and said “We cannot say anything against the Defense Secretary, because we are serving generals.”
April 18th, 2006 at 3:26 pmlove your country distrust your government.
April 18th, 2006 at 3:27 pmBy removing Saddam, we prevented a much larger war in the future since if he ever acquired WMDs
Comment by MXXLENT — April 18, 2006 @ 2:56 pm
So by your ridiculous logic, we should just go ahead and throw you in prison because if you ever get a whole arsenal of guns in a Montana bunker, you could be difficlut to arrest for crime you might think about committing someday, in teh future, possibly.
Our law dictates that people are innocent until proven guilty. He had no WMD, so he was not guilty.
April 18th, 2006 at 3:31 pmAlso now we have bases there, and a military port in the Persian Gulf. We are scaring Iran and Syria into behaving
Comment by MXXLENT — April 18, 2006 @ 2:56 pm
Oh, you think so? Well, you might try opening your eyes when you read the news. Iran has blatantly stated that they have enriched uranium and that if we touch them, they will unleash a jihad on our soldiers in Iraq who are already struggling. That kind of scared are talking about? Cause really, if that’s scared, I hate to think what not scared is.
April 18th, 2006 at 3:35 pm#128
The Bush Doctrine regarding invading a country that might be a future threat is hauntingly similar to the premise of the movie “The Minority Report.” Did you see it? If not, I highly recommend it, not only for the excellent plot and acting, but for giving the viewer something to think about.
April 18th, 2006 at 3:40 pmI noticed some childish and slanderous comments aimed towards me, which reduces the debate to a schoolyard level.
There is no fundamentalist theocracy in Iraq - whoever said that just made that up. silly boy!
Saddam doesn’t fall under US Law - he went astray and we had to remove him. Just imagine the thousands and thousands of casualties if we had to remove him in 2010 for example. I am glad we did it now.
Iran needs to be treated with respect, not hostility. They helped us in Afghanistan in 2002, and we need a balance of power in the ME
April 18th, 2006 at 3:41 pmThe world owes us a big thank you.
Comment by MXXLENT — April 18, 2006 @ 2:56 pm
And yet, all the reasons Lisa lists in her long, inane rant are US-centric and benefit the US only. Why is the world supposedto be thankful, exactly?
In short, the Saddam regime defied us so many times, making us look like fools.
Wow. This warrants an invasion, an occupation, and the killing of thousands of innocent Iraqis? Killing thousands to save one’s face?
Good thing she doesn’t care much for Iraqis, so she doesn’t lose her sleep at night knowing the killing field their country has become.
April 18th, 2006 at 3:41 pmMichael Huffington - you are quite aggressive and low class with your replies to me. I hope you can raise the level of your discourse so I can reply to your replies. As is, replying to you in full is demeaning to me.
April 18th, 2006 at 3:43 pm[…] So Rummy hides like Osama in the fortress of the Pentagon until the right-wing pundits start dishing out the spinning talking points like ninja stars. When he feels the time is right, he grants an interview — with Rush Limbaugh. There have always been people who have opposed wars…I think we just have to accept it, that people have a right to say what they want to say, and to have an acceptance of that and recognize that the terrorists, Zarqawi and bin Laden and Zawahiri, those people have media committees. […]
April 18th, 2006 at 3:44 pmGregor - why should I care about Iraqis?
The world owes us a thank you because if we are safer and better off, then so is the world
If we’re not there - one day Russian and Chinese tanks will just roll into Europe - you get it?
The world needs us
April 18th, 2006 at 3:45 pmThe world owes us a big thank you.
Comment by MXXLENT — April 18, 2006 @ 2:56 pm
Hi little evil girl with fake big balls… these people would like to thank you… they died defending their home town from your friends and family members that murdered them…
Fallujah
But since they are dead they cannot thank you… but I bet their very VERY pissed off relatives would like nothing better than to sneak over to your house and murder you and your family out of revenge…
April 18th, 2006 at 3:46 pmyou are quite aggressive and low class with your replies to me.
Comment by MXXLENT — April 18, 2006 @ 3:43 pm
Not that you are one to talk about class; I did see your blog and your replies to Joey…
April 18th, 2006 at 3:47 pmI noticed some childish and slanderous comments aimed towards me, which reduces the debate to a schoolyard level.
Childish? Ever hear that saying “The pot calling the kettle black’? No one slandered you. Grow up. You come into a Progressive blog spouting Bill O’Reilly-style nonsense and expect us to what? Start bowing? You’re not very bright are you? You make me ashamed to be a woman.
Saddam doesn’t fall under US Law - he went astray and we had to remove him. Just imagine the thousands and thousands of casualties if we had to remove him in 2010 for example. I am glad we did it now.
Comment by MXXLENT — April 18, 2006 @ 3:41 pm
No, but we do. Hello?
Do you even know what the UN is? International law ring a bell? Didn’t think so.
April 18th, 2006 at 3:48 pmFIRE RUMSFELD
~~~For starters
~~I don’t like to write a hit piece on Rumsfeld because ~~I respect the elderly ~~ but after years of mindboggling mistakes on both planning and execution in Iraq ~~ and the torture scandal in Abu Graib as well as the abuses carried out in Afghanistan which even our troops in the field are deeply embarrassed and ashamed of ~~ it’s time for this old old man to sit down in his wheelchair and ~~ make his way to the museum ~~ His story is simply of a man who couldn’t get very far ahead in the Navy so he joined politics ~~ now he can feed his fossilized ego by overruling generals~~~ Bush Jr brought this old man out of retirement and rightaway ~~ he started talking about some missle shield and costly older Cold War weapons ~~ first sign of a problem ~~
~~This is the man who overruled 4 star generals to have a (too) small force to occupy Iraq (blaming generals for the small numbers now)
~~This is the man who refused to have generals plan for a guerrilla war
~~This is the man who was in favor of disbanding the Iraqi Army and de-Baathification
~~This is the man who told troops they should be happy with the army they have not the one they want, when confronted about armor ~~ (comments overruled by Bush a day later btw)
~~This is the man who presided over the Abu Graib scandal
~~This is the man who said he knew exactly where the WMDs were during the first weeks of the invasion ~~ that could only have been a lie
~~~This is a man who says this type of war could take 10-20 or even 30 years ~~ but it is also the same man who said it would take weeks or months rather than years ~~
~~This is the man who used a machine to sign letters notifying families of their loved ones DYING in battle because it hurt his wrist to use his own hand~~
~~This is a man who constantly tells us a rosy story about what is going on in Iraq ~~ while at the same time the top generals in Iraq tell a different story ~~
~~Currently ~~ I see us as being inbetween a rock and a hard place ~~ in Iraq ~~ withdrawing is not an option ~~ as Iraq will rapidly become an all-out chaos ~~ and staying implies staying for many more years ~~ with no progress ~~ Anyone claiming progress is either insane or gullible ~~ forget the press ~~ they are doing a great job reporting the reality in Iraq ~~ because the administration isn’t telling us the truth ~~ it’s that simple ~~ do we want to read feel-good stories about our soldiers handing out candy or playing soccer with Iraqi youths? ~~ I can do without that ~~ I want to know how the WAR is going ~~ and it seems Rumsfeld cannot speak in clear realistic terms ~~ I think we need a new Defense Secretary who can motivate the generals and troops with a better approach, a better tactical plan to redeploy without withdrawing ~~ and a person who can re-assemble some confidence from the American People in the mission we have ~~ Rumsfeld f-cked up just…too many times~~ I want him out~~ for the good of our troops in the field~~
April 18th, 2006 at 3:49 pmGregor - why should I care about Iraqis?
Comment by MXXLENT — April 18, 2006 @ 3:45 pm
Good question… only because they are human being, perhaps? And they are being killed, slaughtered, in a war that didn’t need to be?
The world owes us a thank you because if we are safer and better off, then so is the world
If the US is safer so is the world? What arrogance! </