Russert: A Source “Close to the President” Told Me Bush “Won’t Fire Rumsfeld Because It Would Be The Equivalent Of Firing Himself.”
Russert: A Source “Close to the President” Told Me Bush “Won’t Fire Rumsfeld Because It Would Be The Equivalent Of Firing Himself.”
Tim Russert revealed two very interesting pieces of information this morning on Don Imus regarding the future of Donald Rumsfeld and his standing in the Pentagon:
1. After Rep. Jack Murtha appeared on Meet the Press and advocated troop withdrawal several officials in the Pentagon called Russert to tell him “Murtha is right.”
2. A source “close to the President” told Russert that Bush “won’t fire Rumsfeld because it would be the equivalent of firing himself.”
Transcript:
IMUS: Is there anything going on with the Rumsfeld story that is – I mean, the President is pledging this support and all that, and that’s usually the kiss of death, but not always. But probably not with this guy. But what do you hear?
RUSSERT: Well, I knew something was happening when I had John Murtha on several months ago and he talked about his plan for a timetable. And I got several calls from people at the Pentagon and others and they said, “You know Murtha’s right.†And I was stunned because you don’t usually get those kinds of calls. They were obviously people who would not allow me to broadcast their names. And then it continued with General Zinni who came on “Meet the Press†and said that Secretary Rumsfeld should resign. So the last couple of weeks, as I talked to people, one former general said we have the equivalent of a civil war going on at the Pentagon. The generals are trying to reclaim control of the war because they do believe serious mistakes were made. That’s a very serious statement. And then, someone very close to the President said to me, you know, he won’t fire Rumsfeld because it would be the equivalent of firing himself. He can’t acknowledge that it was such a big mistake, in so many ways. And so Rumsfeld will stay. And that’s the decision that the President has made and I think Rumsfeld will stay and try to see this through.
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Has Russert realized that the dark side is crumbling, so he is jumping ship and returning to the light side?
April 19th, 2006 at 2:18 pmheh heh, I found this on Rummy’s Rules…
http://www.opinionjournal.com/wsj/?id=85000505
funny he would even write this one down. it must have been as a reminder to him of the problems with our form of government. But, hey, why not a mikado of sorts?
Don’t begin to think you’re the president. You’re not. The Constitution provides for only one.
April 19th, 2006 at 2:19 pmAh, there are those voices again.
April 19th, 2006 at 2:20 pmBush “won’t fire Rumsfeld because it would be the equivalent of firing himself.â€
And the problem with that would be?
Sounds like a win-win situation, really.
April 19th, 2006 at 2:20 pmThis is why no “real” change is going to happen. It would amount to bringing in new “co-conspirators” into the fold. Much easier to get insiders to go along with the plan and subsequent cover up than convincing a new somebody to but into it.
April 19th, 2006 at 2:20 pmOh Bush is totally going to go bomb Iran now… He needs a diversion.
April 19th, 2006 at 2:23 pmYou know, this way we could kill two birds with one stone…
April 19th, 2006 at 2:25 pmGOOBER you should have never let Colin Powell go! now you are stuck with Rummy like a stone collar around your neck!!
April 19th, 2006 at 2:27 pmI’m absoultely in favor of Bush firing himself, unfortunately that is not within his realm of possible actions because he can not recognize incomeptance, therefore he can not fir himself for incompetance.
April 19th, 2006 at 2:28 pmCitizen80203 sad, but oh so f*&%ing true.
April 19th, 2006 at 2:28 pmTim Russert says only the news that serves him best.
Nothing more, nothing less.
April 19th, 2006 at 2:29 pmRUMSFELD: STILL BLAMING 9-11 ON SADDAM AFTER ALL THESE YEARS
DIGGING DEEPER [A BLOG]
By Ivan Goldman
Rumsfeld’s adherence to The Big Lie Tactic is, if nothing else, relentless. Here it is April of ‘06, and while recently necking with Rush on the Limbaugh show he was still trying to tie Saddam to the Nine-Eleven attacks. How many times does that bullshit have to be discredited? It’s like asking how many times do you have to give more Lebensraum to the Third Reich before it lets you alone? The numerical answer is the same — infinity. I’d quote from the interview, but I can’t bear to look at his words anymore. Trust me. I guarantee it’s a safer bet than trusting Rumsfeld.
In that same interview we learned from raging Rummy that anyone who wants him out of there is doing Bin Laden’s work. You know what? Even if he’d been a success, even if his cockamamie ideas proved true and we’d found all kinds of nukes and nerve gas in the palaces and a letter from Bin Laden thanking Saddam for all the help with the you know what, and even if we’d created a shining light of a democracy in Iraq with no muss or fuss and paid for it with Iraq’s own oil, and then Rummy were to make that remark linking dissent to treason — the man would have to go. But not only is this twisted geek not a success, the guy couldn’t put together a cold salad without burning down the entire neighborhood — and then denying anything went wrong.
April 19th, 2006 at 2:29 pmRussert: A Source “Close to the President†Told Me Bush “Won’t Fire Rumsfeld Because It Would Be The Equivalent Of Firing Himself.†- - - - Well, duuuuuh. You don’t need a “source” to come up with that conclusion. Anyone with a room temperature IQ saw that long ago.
April 19th, 2006 at 2:33 pmIf I correctly understand the call for Rumsfeld to resign, it comes after these generals have concluded that so long as Rumsfeld remains in his position, the war strategy cannot and will not be changed. At the same time, Rumsfeld is executing the plan the President favors. Hence, if these generals have concluded that the strategy won’t work and must change, then calling for Rumsfeld to resign is simply acknowledging the only avenue available whereby the changes they support can be implemented. However, Rumsfeld can only leave if or when the President is ready to change directions. Checkmate.
This administration’s myopic view seems to simply meet criticism of policy with a revised political strategy. These efforts are demonstrated by the numerous talking heads that are attempting to undermine the remarks of former generals critical of the Secretary of Defense’s handling of the war. Rushing to announce a briefing with a group of military strategists is more of the same. The longstanding objections to Rumsfeld are primarily focused on his intransigence. Gathering a group of chosen military consultants is akin to hiring cheerleaders. They make for good photo-ops, they attract attention, but they can’t salvage a victory if the team doesn’t know how to execute a winning game plan.
This behavior merely adds an exclamation mark to the assertion that the need to vindicate the ideological leanings of this administration repeatedly takes priority over the troubling realities on the ground. The dangers of an administration of ideologues is that they are inclined to see all criticism as nothing more than an ideological push-back motivated by political considerations. There is an obvious irony to this situation. While the criticism is likely not about ideology, the consequences of interpreting it as so have implications far greater than political advantage. Perhaps it’s nothing more than the boy that cried wolf, when initiating this war, being unable to accept that others may be speaking words that are both sincere and factual. Regardless, reality trudges forward in this mire we call Iraq.
more observations here:
http://www.thoughttheater.com
April 19th, 2006 at 2:33 pmJudd, when are you going to stop quoting the right-wing media? I mean, are you some kinda fascist?
April 19th, 2006 at 2:36 pm[…] In a later post at Think Progress we learn from Russert: A Source “Close to the President†Told Me Bush “Won’t Fire Rumsfeld Because It Would Be The Equivalent Of Firing Himself.†[…]
April 19th, 2006 at 2:39 pmSo why does he not call for impeachment ? He certainly was quick to do do it for Clinton . For Russert sex is cardinal sex , not the wanton unnessary killings .
April 19th, 2006 at 2:41 pmYou talk of misplaced values . Probably thought in some religious schools.
7:
You know, this way we could kill two birds with one stone
Wow now it’s throwing rocks at fowl, I thought you had animal rights/environmental values :)
April 19th, 2006 at 2:43 pmPerhaps it is time for the Republican Senators to visit Mr. Bush and suggest that he retire. after all, he does need to spend more time with his wife and daughters and this President thing has been a terrible strain.
Seriously, for the good of the country, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Cheney all need to resign to stop the agony. Bush will be regarded by history much better if he resigns now than if he is either forced out or continues the expand on the disaster he has already created. Only by resigning can he avoid a permanent title of Worst Ever!
The Republican Senators should confer and decide who should be the new Vice Presicent for Bush to appoint. There must be some politician somewhere that deserves broad respect, though I am not sure at this point. Then the resignations should begin. First Cheney. Then after the new Vice President is confirmed, Bush followed by Gonzales, and finally Rumsfeld.
Nothing less will spare this country from the upcoming disaster of having to deal with a totally impotent, incompetent, and out-of-control Bush for the remainder of his term.
It is all necessary for the good of the country.
April 19th, 2006 at 2:43 pmWow now it’s throwing rocks at fowl, I thought you had animal rights/environmental values :)
Comment by Tundra — April 19, 2006 @ 2:43 pm
Yes, I suppose Bush and Rumfeld both qualify as “fowl’, though I prefer tp spell it ‘foul’ :)
April 19th, 2006 at 2:45 pmIt true….Look at bushco’s prevailing patterns. If a policy isn’t working and becomes politically (wildly) unpopular, bushco has without fail, killed a sacrificial goat and blamed the goat.
Bushies have always roared with approval of this tactic and have always agreed that the goat had to go & deserved what it got.
Firing Rummy is too close to home. Hell, I doubt they’d LET Rummy quit.
Damn goats.
April 19th, 2006 at 2:45 pmAs far as I am concerned Bush should be impeached on sex charges. Clinton orally copulated with one plump former intern. Bush as repeatedly sodomized every one in a nation of 300 million.
-GSD
April 19th, 2006 at 2:47 pm19
The Republican Senators should confer and decide who should be the new Vice Presicent for Bush to appoint.
Ummmmm, wouldn’t that be much worse? I mean now you are taking away the people choosing who is president and giving that right to a specific party’s senators. Personally I would rather keep things as they are than start letting senators decide the president of the United States.
April 19th, 2006 at 2:47 pmYea! One of them finally admitted that the media is right wing biased.
April 19th, 2006 at 2:49 pmThe Seante chose Bush for President in 2000 when they did not sign on to the black House Reps’ legislation to investigate the voter fraud. Both sides, democrats and republicans. Both are to blame for the crap we are in right now.
April 19th, 2006 at 2:52 pmIt’s one thing to be objective, another to flipflop. Russert is a flopper. Well, get ready for the “Swiftboaters,” they are coming after you, my friend.
April 19th, 2006 at 2:52 pm#23 - We had nine people decide who would be President in 2000, why not 55 people decide who should be Vice President? (My pardon, I couldn’t resist the jab!)
I recall when (VPres.) Cheney was tasked by (then Gov.) Bush to decide who had the best qualifications to be his running mate. I don’t think anyone was surprised when he chose himself. The word “hubris” comes to mind.
April 19th, 2006 at 2:57 pmTundra wrote, “Ummmmm, wouldn’t that be much worse? I mean now you are taking away the people choosing who is president and giving that right to a specific party’s senators.”
As with Nixon, retirement is necessary. Amendments XX and XXV provide for succession. We are not like a parliamentary system wherein a lost vote of confidence results in a new election. If we impeached Bush, we would get Cheney who is probably worse than Bush. Under Amendment XXV, the new Vice President must pass by a majority of both houses. If Bush resigns in 2006, it will be a Republican House. If he resigns in 2007, perhaps it may be a Democratic House. In either case, the People will have their input through their Congress Persons. I guess we have what we deserve as far as Congress goes. We elected them.
This is an orderly process and it needs to happen. We can vote again and elect a President in 2008.
Not good, but better than what we have.
April 19th, 2006 at 2:58 pmRe: This is why no “real†change is going to happen. It would amount to bringing in new “co-conspirators†into the fold. Much easier to get insiders to go along with the plan and subsequent cover up than convincing a new somebody to but into it.
Comment by Citizen80203 — April 19, 2006 @ 2:20 pm
You nailed it.
If Bush can’t fire Rumsfeld because it would be like firing himself, it sounds like Bush must be as culpable as Cheney and Rumsfeld for, Iraq, the torture rooms, losing Osama bin Laden, and any plans to bomb, even nuke Iran.
Since Bush was elected, there has been some debate about whether he was merely a puppet Prez who was lied to and manipulated by Cheney, or whether Bush was completely aware and complicit in all of BushCo’s actions.
I think this shows that the later theory is the correct one. Wouldn’t an innocent dupe fire, Rummy, once he understood that he’d been had? By the most objective standards, Rummy has been a disaster as Sect’y of Defense. The only logical reason to keep him on is that Rummy will do anything Bush asks him to, including nuke Iran. I think it’s fair to say that Bush would have a hard time replacing him.
April 19th, 2006 at 3:07 pmDavid Horsey put it best:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/horsey/
(http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/dayart/20060419/cartoon20060419.gif)
Do you realize how likely it is that someone will return the favor if this policy persists?
April 19th, 2006 at 3:07 pm25,
Both are to blame for the crap we are in right now.
Ok, we have identified a cause. is the solution giving up our right to choose our representatives?
Bush sucks, ok fair enough. Letting the government decide who should be in charge of me is even worse. That is like welcoming/asking for facism.
April 19th, 2006 at 3:08 pmPoor Rumsfeld~~
~~~~He had a Pentagon memo sent out defending him ~~ saying there are 8000 retired or fired ~~ generals and military personnel who DID NOT call for his ouster ~~:) Also he brought out Richard B. Myers~~ a lacklustre yes-man who stayed in the position since 2001 until last year ~~ exactly because he knew how to fawn cocky Rummy~~
~~It seems so childish to have this type of reaction ~~ In addition, from the 8000 or so ~~ God knows how many of them actually agree with the calls for the ouster ~~ just because they haven’t spoken up does not imply they support Rumsfeld ~~
~~~This is a sad state of affairs ~~ A civilian, a politcian who refuses to leave although he is damaging morale of the troops ~~ A disinterested Commader in Chief ~~ the whole chain of Command is in disarray ~~ a lot of unhappy faces ~~ civilians making key military decisions~~
~~and we’re expected to win this war??~~
April 19th, 2006 at 3:08 pmArore wrote, “If Bush can’t fire Rumsfeld because it would be like firing himself, it sounds like Bush must be as culpable as Cheney and Rumsfeld for, Iraq, the torture rooms, losing Osama bin Laden, and any plans to bomb, even nuke Iran”
Of course Bush is culpable. He just plays stupid. Most of this travesty is his idea. It will probably turn out in the end that he was a subscriber to the daily torture reports and personally approved and understood the techniques.
April 19th, 2006 at 3:11 pmI think Anvilhead speaks for the majority of americans and thats why other nation dont like americans ,,sad but true
Boycot american good for the sake of the planet
April 19th, 2006 at 3:14 pm~~and we’re expected to win this war??~~
Comment by MXXLENT — April 19, 2006 @ 3:08 pm
Go away XXLisa, no one here wants to play with you.
April 19th, 2006 at 3:14 pmUnbelievable - who made you moderator here?
April 19th, 2006 at 3:16 pmunbelievable - I have tried to ignore you but since I am posting around a bit before doing something meaningful, I will give you the time of day. I know you’re not lucky with ladies and you are here hating on me because of it.
I’m a woman you idiot. A smart and attractive woman who hates stupid bimbos because they lower our collective value. You are the proverbial bad apple.
I am not to blame for your lack of character or your poor looks.
You have to think that to compensate for the fact that I’m smarter than you. Unfortunatley for you, I’m also better looking.
You come across as a frustrated little man with nothing going for you, except this little blog.
Considering you can’t even get my gender straight after I already told you repeatedly prior, I’m not inclined to put much stock in anything else you ‘think’ (and I use the term loosely).
I recommend you stay here because you always say “weâ€, so it seems you feel accepted here as part of a group.
It’s a female trait to say we since we are inclusive and tend to be unilateral, not hierarchical. But, since you never research anything, other than yourself, you wouldn’t know anything about women. I’m wondering if you actually are one. Or another pathetic drag queen who can’t afford to have his winkie removed.
To me you’re an embarrassing nobody and so whatever you say here doesn’t matter to me.
The fact that you responded suggests otherwise. And the fact that you responded this much shows that it matters a lot.
However, I do feel sorry for you so I gave you something long to read. Did you enjoy it?
No. You are a twit. I’d rather read Rush Limbaugh
Ok, I really have to go so I won’t see your reply. Have a nice day little smurf
Comment by MXXLENT — April 18, 2006 @ 6:25 pm
Yes you will, (I love when I’m right)
What a serious loser!
Comment by unbelievable — April 18, 2006 @ 8:06 pm
April 19th, 2006 at 3:16 pmTundra wrote, “Bush sucks, ok fair enough. Letting the government decide who should be in charge of me is even worse. That is like welcoming/asking for facism. ”
That’s what we have with Bush already. There might be some hope that Congress can choose an interim leader who is good. At least they are subject to some local pressure to keep their offices.
If not, then our Republic is probably just finished.
April 19th, 2006 at 3:17 pmThe thought of Republican Senators making Bush and Cheney an offer that they can not refuse, is the sort of thing I would expect to hear from the Kool-Ade crowd. Off hand, I can not think of a single Republican Senator who would put the country’s interests ahead of his or her personal interests and absent a sea shift in November, Republicans will not figure out that their self interest and the country’s interest may be one and the same. Dumbya’s poll numbers would have to hit the low teens or upper single digits before those nitwits figure out what 60+% of the country are thinking. Still and all, if Dumbya keeps his perfect record of incompetence going we may yet see that day. So you know I am nonpartisan, Feingold is probably the only Democratic Senator who might put the country’s interests ahead of his or her own and there is a school of thought that even he does not qualify.
April 19th, 2006 at 3:17 pmUnbelievable - who made you moderator here?
Comment by MXXLENT — April 19, 2006 @ 3:16 pm
Intelligence and decency. Two things you’ll never possess XXLisa.
April 19th, 2006 at 3:17 pmThe reason Rummy won’t resign is that his ego is bullet proof. He thinks he’s doing a swell job, and Bush obviously needs him.
When you think of all the laws broken, the NSA sweeps, outing a CIA agent, secret torture rooms, lying to the American people in order to invade Iraq, and who knows what else, it would be close to impossible for Bush to fire Rummy. He knows where all the bodies are buried and he is apparently, Bush’s soul mate.
April 19th, 2006 at 3:18 pmThe Bush legacy can be visualised as a rabbit turd that begins rolling down a mountain made of crap.
April 19th, 2006 at 3:20 pmLeft Of Center
bush & rummy….Capt. Queeg and his strawberries
April 19th, 2006 at 3:20 pmThe amazing control Rummy has over the White House is evident in our atitude toward Iran. Rummy is itchin for another war, because he mistakenly believes this one is over.
My belief is that this war has already made all the quick profit it can for defense contractors, now they need another boost to the bottom line. A nuclear war would really reinvigorate their profits. Unfortunately these idiots will have no country left to sell stuff to after this one, but boy what a great quarterly report they will have.
April 19th, 2006 at 3:20 pmANVILHEAD: IF SOME TROOPS HAVE TO GET BLOWN UP SO BE IT - - I really do hate the internets. It’s exposed me to a whole sub-strata I would otherwise never interact with in any way, shape or form.
April 19th, 2006 at 3:20 pmok I see Unbelievable is the resident board troll here on ThinkProgress, meaning she/he/it now thinks she/he/it is the moderator here
So sad. Ok, best to ignore said troll.
April 19th, 2006 at 3:20 pmBye XXLisa, I can think of better ways of killing brain cells than speaking to you again. There are people I’d rather talk to than you. XXLoser.
April 19th, 2006 at 3:20 pm1. After Rep. Jack Murtha appeared on Meet the Press and advocated troop withdrawal several officials in the Pentagon called Russert to tell him “Murtha is right.â€
2. A source “close to the President†told Russert that Bush “won’t fire Rumsfeld because it would be the equivalent of firing himself.â€
If it weren’t for anonymity the Left Wing Ratbastards wouldn’t have any sources. Why is that? We haven’t hung anyone for lying in years.
April 19th, 2006 at 3:21 pmJWP - I agree. I have never bought into the argument that Bush was duped, he’s too sociopathic not be along for the ride.
Anyone who would hang out with Karl Rove for 20 years has to be as anti-social as he is. The idea that Bush is a Compassionate Conservative is the biggest laugh of them all.
April 19th, 2006 at 3:25 pmThe real underlying truth about the war is the supporters of the war have defended the Administration for it’s intent but when the outcome, which even up to this point has not been influenced in any way by it’s opponents,they have run out of people to blame. And now that the monkey is trying to put the cork back in the elephant’s ass he is looking for someone to blame, whether it’s the media or retired generals. The supporters are desperate, plain and simple. It’s their President and theirCongress and only they are to blame. Quick better run off and wreck another country.
April 19th, 2006 at 3:26 pmTerry wrote, “Off hand, I can not think of a single Republican Senator who would put the country’s interests ahead of his or her personal interests and absent a sea shift in November, Republicans will not figure out that their self interest and the country’s interest may be one and the same.”
Terry, sadly, you may be right. There may be no hope even if Bush’s polls fall to zero. If they do, he will be really, really dangerous. I just hope every day that some group of Senator’s and Representatives on both sides of the aisle will show some profile of courage and try to get Bush out.
Everyday, my hopes have been dashed. I worry greatly for my children.
Sometimes I wonder if the Senate is comprised of the hundred most stupid and selfish humans in the world?
April 19th, 2006 at 3:26 pm#36 Anvilhead doesn’t speak for most American. The war in Iraq was an unjust war. They only went into Iraq for the OIL and to make Old Bushie buddies richer. We do not need to go into Iran either. The ones that want us to go into Iran should go over there an fight this war. You are nuts along with the Right Wing Republicans.
April 19th, 2006 at 3:27 pmWhy is that? We haven’t hung anyone for lying in years.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — April 19, 2006 @ 3:21 pm
We could start with Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Frist, and Delay, then move on from their.
April 19th, 2006 at 3:28 pm#39 Unbelievable
“I’m a woman you idiot. A smart and attractive woman who hates stupid bimbos because they lower our collective value. You are the proverbial bad apple.”
Be nice to bimbos, with out them Tundra would be on a 10 year dry spell.
April 19th, 2006 at 3:29 pm#50 - In fact, if people tell lies in this country, we just call them “President Bush”, in honor of the liar-in-chief!
I knew it was too much to expect you to stop with the “ratbastard” references. What is it with you? Was it your upbringing that makes you like the term “bastard” or is it the personal qualities of most Republicans that makes you like the term “rat”?
Oh well, I guess “free speech” means we have to put up with ratbastardfascistRepubliscumtards such as you, “Right between the I’s”.
By the way, wasn’t it a supposed “anonymous” source for the leaking of undercover NOC Plame, until Libby rolled on his old boss? I guess the Right Wing ratbastardfascistRepubliscumtards have to have some source for their calumny and mendacity.
April 19th, 2006 at 3:29 pmIf firing Runsfeld is the equivalent of Pres. Bush firing himself, or so we learn from Russert, then it becomes clear that what the Generals are saying is that they want George Bush to go away but are unable to say so clearly because they are not allowed by tradition to critizise a sitting president in the middle of a war. I think they must know that some very scary things are in store for Americans if the Bush, Cheney, Runsfeld triunvirate is allowed to fulfill its plans for the future of our coutry!
April 19th, 2006 at 3:30 pmFrom thinkfast
Has anyone else noticed the threads being more civil then normal over the past few days?
Comment by squegeeboo — April 19, 2006 @ 10:08 am
I retract that statement after reading this thread. Back to the good old days, of last week I see. If we can’t ‘reach across the aisle’ how do you expect our representatives too.
April 19th, 2006 at 3:33 pm#50. Perhaps it’s because anyone who comes forward gets their character dragged through the mud with lies piled upon lies. For example, Bush commits acts of treason just to out undercover CIA agents in order to exact personal revenge on those who expose his lies. Or, we can look at what happened to a Vietnam hero, John Kerry. “Swift Boat Veterans for Truth” my a$$.
April 19th, 2006 at 3:33 pm#59 I think they must know that some very scary things are in store for Americans if the Bush, Cheney, Runsfeld triunvirate is allowed to fulfill its plans for the future of our coutry!
I’m sure that’s right. You could see the anguish on the general’s faces, the sense that they knew so much more than they felt they could tell. Coupled with Sy Hersh’s piece in which military sources figure heavily, it looks like we’re in deep trouble.
Despite the denials, I’m guessing we’ll be bombing Iran, if not this year, before Bush leaves office.
April 19th, 2006 at 3:37 pmJWP
That’s what we have with Bush already. There might be some hope that Congress can choose an interim leader who is good. At least they are subject to some local pressure to keep their offices.
We will have to disagree on this one (I’m a libertarian so we won’t agree on it :) Sadly we made this bed we have to lie in it, unless they impeach him (which I can see this being common talk for every president from here on out. There will be a decent size minority screaming for it all the time now) I think it’s really a bad precedent to start and will just start the eroding of our rights.
Be nice to bimbos, with out them Tundra would be on a 10 year dry spell.
Hey I’ve only moved to bimbos in the last year and a half, it’s just less work :)
Besides I am just sitting back and watching the cat fight (Wish I could have a beer in my hand at the same time)
April 19th, 2006 at 3:40 pm#60 - I agree. It’s sad how “Right between the I’s” can bring a post down and get me to respond to his name-calling with only one attribution.
Then again, if imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, he should be quite flattered in how quickly he’s gotten me to lower myself to his base level.
I believe that I’m quite civil to most of the conservative posters. It’s the ultra-radical neo-conservatives that encourage me to respond at the same low-level of conversation that they adopt right off the bat.
April 19th, 2006 at 3:40 pm#62 Let’s hope this does not happen. The Dems need to take both houses back in November and impeach Old Bushie and Cheney. Our America will not last another two years of Old Bushie and the Republican party. This is very scary.
April 19th, 2006 at 3:44 pm#64 “It’s the ultra-radical neo-conservatives that encourage me to respond at the same low-level of conversation that they adopt right off the bat.”
Hopefully its not the ultra-radical neo-conservatives, but rather the format that some people tend to use. Some of you guys debate me and it’s all sorts of fun, others are just plain insulting, and those are the ones I have a hard time not sinking to the same level as, but the insulting ones, as well as the nice ones go from being close to the center, all the way to the DU side of the spectrum.
But what else would I expect from a bunch of dirty hippies. :)
April 19th, 2006 at 3:45 pm#62 As Bush’s numbers plummet and as he sees he can thumb his nose at Congress becasue it is afraid of him, and as he packs the courts, Bush gets freer. He knows that the individual citizens can gripe on the blogs, but that the People have no power over him. After all, his power grows as his polls drop. The question is whether Bush will leave or cock-up some fright that stops the 2009 elections. Certainly his Supreme Court would rule that he could stay until a successor was “duly elected.” He really has the power. We should all be very aftraid.
I wonder how some of the right-wingers will respond if their leader really takes on the title of Dear Leader?
April 19th, 2006 at 3:45 pmPrescient? I wrote this yesterday.
I have psychoanalyzed the complete moron from afar. My conclusion is that Rummy is his surrogate father. This is why he blows a gasget when someone asks why he hasn’t sacked him.
April 19th, 2006 at 3:47 pmIT DOESNT MATTER IF IRAQ ISNT GOING AS SMOOTH AS GLASS…. WEVE CONQUERED THEM AND CONTROL THEIR OIL. IF SOME TROOPS HAVE TO GET BLOWN UP SO BE IT.
Comment by ANVILHEAD — April 19, 2006 @ 3:01 pm
How very chickenhawk of you. So cavalier with the lives of other peoples sons, daughters, husbands, wives, fathers, and mothers.
Tell me anvilhead are you active military? do you know any active military? do you plan to join this war you seem so fond of?
I have two friends who have returned form active duty in Iraq, and one who is over there now. I have seen the toll on the wives and families of the men who have gone. What are you Anvil? a typical punk coward is my guess.
April 19th, 2006 at 3:49 pmBut what else would I expect from a bunch of dirty hippies. :)
Comment by squegeeboo — April 19, 2006 @ 3:45 pm
I find this offensive. I bathe at least once a month. :)
April 19th, 2006 at 3:51 pmTim Russert is trying to raise his ratings.
That’s all it is.
April 19th, 2006 at 3:51 pm#66 - Hey! I take a bath every week if I need one or not! ;-)
Now THAT is an example of “witty repartee” that I enjoy on this site. Then again, I have never heard you (well, “read you” to be correct) refer to me or my political leanings as “ratbastardfucktard”. I guess it’s the potty mouth immature rants of the improperly behaved that fires me up.
“I guess that “Right between the I’s” should slap his mother in the face for not raising him correctly. I would caution him to make sure she’s not orally servicing an illegal immigrant when he slaps her face, because that would not be good manners.”
Now THAT is an example of how not to refer to people and remain civil.
“Right between the I’s”, I was only using your mother as an object lesson. I apologize if I’ve upset you for the reference.
April 19th, 2006 at 3:53 pm# 67. I think you’re right that the more unpopular Bush becomes, the less he has to lose by doing something really awful, like attacking Iran.
I’m not sure about your theory that Bush would be able override the 2008 elections, though I have no doubt he would do so if he could. But i can envision him starting WWIII, just before he leaves office, knowing that the next guy, probably a Dem, will have all of the responsibility for dealing with the blowback.
Visualise Impeachment.
April 19th, 2006 at 3:53 pmoh no, krazny - anvilheaded has “other priorities”…but if he WERE there he’d be officer material…riiiiight…
April 19th, 2006 at 3:56 pmoperation yellow elephant material…
We do seem to have a slightly higher level of civility, squeegee. That’s OK I hope.
unbelieveable - careful what you tell the masses. They don’t need to know some stuff. Plus, telling trolls their dumb, well, that isn’t news to anyone.
I-right-i - where’ve you been? Where’s the rest of your homies? MA was saying nice things about you on another thread. Then she kind of went off the deep end.
On thread - Russert - what a crock. I just don’t trust the guy. He’s a shitty interviewer. he won’t call epublicans on their lies, he supported the impeachment of President Clinton, asshat if we’ve ever seen one.
April 19th, 2006 at 3:58 pm#74 Just suppose there is a 9/11 type of attack on October 15 or even a Hurricane hitting, say washington, DC. There is a huge disruption of the ability to have operating polling. Buch goes to Court and says its unfair to have a vote until everyone can get to the polls. In the current situation, umpteen million cannot get their votes in. The Court looks at Bush v. Gore that was decided upon an equal protection argument and says, by George, you are right. We will just postpone the elections. Then things remain stirred up and no election is ever had.
What would happen. Probably nothing. Would I-Right-I get his gun and fight to have elections again?
April 19th, 2006 at 4:00 pmI agreed with Comment #19. The whole damn bunch should resign and, since we’re having a national election this Fall, we should also have a special Presidential election. After Bush stole the last two, maybe one special election could give us a new start. Decades of fumigation are needed after this horrendous mess Bush and cronies have made for our country and our world. It can’t begin soon enough!
April 19th, 2006 at 4:01 pmHey Anvilhead, what would you do if Bush crapped the election and appointed himself Dictator?
April 19th, 2006 at 4:04 pmhey IRI - something more offensive than you! whodda thunk it…
April 19th, 2006 at 4:07 pmor maybe the anvilheaded one is related? would you claim it?
my opinion of you would raise/rise (?) if you said “no”… eh?
No sympathy for Russert…he’s just abandoning the Titanic. Believe me, he’s a right wing whore forever…
April 19th, 2006 at 4:09 pm#
IF YOUR ARMY BUDDIES ARE SO BRAVE, WHY DONT THE ACT LIKE MEN AND SUCK IT UP. REAL MEN DONT HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THEIR WIVES. MAKE SURE YOU TELL YOUR VETERAN FRIENDS TO SPEND THEIR MONEY ON EDUCATION INSTEAD OF LIQUOR AND METH….AND TELL THEM TO STOP COMPLAINING TO YOU. ITS THEIR FAULT THEY SIGNED UP.
CRY ME A RIVER.
Comment by ANVILHEAD — April 19, 2006 @ 4:01 pm
Nice way to support the troops their Ace(hole). I think the reason you won’t enlist, is you would indeed be officer material, and promptly get fragged by your own men. I don’t even want to get into the educational backgrounds of my 3 friends, but I can assure you they have done more then you.
coward.
April 19th, 2006 at 4:09 pmAnvilhead, you did not answer the question. I hope we do have an election and you seem to think we will. The question again is: what would you do if Bush appointed himself Dictator for Life.
April 19th, 2006 at 4:10 pmRummy’s little torture problem.
Tuesday 18 April 2006
New York - A leading international human rights group is calling for the Bush administration to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate the alleged involvement of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and other senior Pentagon officials in the torture of a prisoner at Guanatanamo Bay some three years ago.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/041906A.shtml
April 19th, 2006 at 4:11 pmSome Tell Bush and AVILHEAD, (EVILHEAD) Bunker Nukes DO NOT WORK. AVILHEAD. Guess where the fallout BLOWS.
Check this out, but the TRUTH is ABOVE YOU!
http://www.ucsusa.org/ global_security/ nuclear_weapons/ nuclear-bunker-buster-rnep-animation.html
God Help these FOOLS
April 19th, 2006 at 4:11 pmREAL MEN DONT HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THEIR WIVES.
Comment by ANVILHEAD — April 19, 2006 @ 4:01 pm
Now there’s a real cave man attitude if I ever heard one. It’s exactly this kind of macho man bravado that makes some men do incredibly stupid things (like vote for Republicans.)
April 19th, 2006 at 4:14 pmAnvilhead, your all caps conviction to McCain being the next president is a bit confusing when it’s followed by or Jeb. Way too many unknowns right now wouldn’t you say.? Ie; The status of the VP, Mcains healing of bitter wounds with the Social Conservatives, George Allen’s Senate race, Mit Romney, Rudys campainging for Sen Santorum. Iran. It’s along way out to 08 and the administration has a long honey-do list from the PNAC they have to work on and I doubt gay marriage will be on anyone’s ballot initiatves. Give the GOP time they’ll screw it up.
April 19th, 2006 at 4:15 pmMore of the republicans supporting our troops.
April 19th, 2006 at 4:17 pmWell duh! Nantucket Tim is just stating the obvious. Move along, nothing to see here.
April 19th, 2006 at 4:17 pmLIKE WHAT? WALMART CASHIER? LINE COOK FOR APPLEBEES * , JANITOR?
Comment by ANVILHEAD — April 19, 2006 @ 4:11 pm
How about aviaton technicians, and helicopter pilots? Ever fix an airplane?
go join up little boy assuming your are old enough too.
yellow elephant punk coward.
April 19th, 2006 at 4:17 pm#77 JWP
I guess Lawerence Tribe would have to argue before the Supreme Court, that postponing the elections was proposed in Iraq too, but the Bush Administration wisely insisted that they be held on the scheduled date.
Not that BushCo wouldn’t do whatever they could to postpone the enevitable. It’s just that to assume that this country will offically become a dictatorship is too depressing to imagine.
April 19th, 2006 at 4:20 pmMcCain or Jeb will not be president in 2008. Heaven help us all. We will have a Dem in the white house in 2008.
April 19th, 2006 at 4:21 pmREAL MEN DONT HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THEIR WIVES.
Comment by ANVILHEAD —
Oh man. Either you’re not married or one night you’re going to wake up in a lot of pain just in time to see the dog run away with your penis that he found lying outside the bedroom window.
April 19th, 2006 at 4:25 pm98. Thanks for the laugh.
April 19th, 2006 at 4:27 pmBe nice to bimbos, with out them Tundra would be on a 10 year dry spell.
Comment by squegeeboo — April 19, 2006 @ 3:29 pm
Never. I detest bimbos.
Guess I’ll just have to help him out then ;)
April 19th, 2006 at 4:29 pm#67 congress is not afraid of Bush it is in league with him. Congress does not stand up to him because they don’t want to stand up to him due to near total agreement on how to ruin, oops, I mean run the country.
As to canceling the election due to terrorism, hurricane etc… Bush does not need an excuse, remember he can do anything he wants in fighting the war on terror. If it looks like Dems might take back house or senate or both you can be damned sure that there will be arguments made about continuity of leadership to fight the war etc… and that will be a major excuse to either suspend elections, cancel them, or refusal to seat the newly elected congress.
April 19th, 2006 at 4:30 pmThe next election will be about accountability and fear. The left will fear the government currently in control and the right will be concerned in theory only about the accountability part and stick with fear. Fear wins every time. The fear of gays, women who want abortions, and terror. It’s like a war on shit, it will always be there and floats to the top. Power is the crack pipe for the GOP and they can’t put it down and they will do anything to get more and keep their stash to themselves.
April 19th, 2006 at 4:31 pm#77 Although I do not dispute the possibility that your scenario could happen, think about this:
A) Even though the latest polls show the electorate preferring Democratic candidates over Republicans, that in itself is no guarantee that it will be reflected in the mid-term election results. The way the system is structured there are other variables (gerrymandering, e-vote fixing, etc) that can make a predetermined result happen.
B) If you were dishonest and had mastered the technique for stealing elections without getting caught, would you change your method? I don’t think so. Anyway, we’ll find out next November!
April 19th, 2006 at 4:32 pmBesides I am just sitting back and watching the cat fight (Wish I could have a beer in my hand at the same time)
Comment by Tundra — April 19, 2006 @ 3:40 pm
Sorry to disappoint you yet again, but that one isn’t up to par.
If you want a good laugh, check out her blog. She claims to do no research - just spouts crap off the top of her (empty) head. She makes IRI look like a Pulitzer Prize winner for excellence in peace and tolerance.
April 19th, 2006 at 4:35 pmAnvil,
I never said they complained. I have seen the effects of a long deployment on their wives and children. You are a sad little man. I hope whatever lunatic bin you in, they get you some better meds soon.
You are a fool and a coward.
Supporting combat ops as a black hawk pilot is a little more complicated then playing x-box. I am sure the only military experience you have is playing splinter cell or something similar.
PS look for the “caps lock” key on your keyboad, it should be next to the “A” key.
April 19th, 2006 at 4:36 pm[…] On the Imus show, Tim Russert called in and said that a source close to the White House said that the reason George Bush won’t fire Donald Rumsfeld is because that would equate to firing himself. See the video via Think Progress. […]
April 19th, 2006 at 4:37 pmunbelieveable - careful what you tell the masses. They don’t need to know some stuff. Plus, telling trolls their dumb, well, that isn’t news to anyone.
Comment by kindness — April 19, 2006 @ 3:58 pm
Such as? I have nothing to hide. Besides, if you’d been there yesterday when about ten of us encountered that freak, you’d understand the need to squash it like the bug it is before it takes up residency. That one is worse than wwallace on his worst day x10.
April 19th, 2006 at 4:40 pmUnbelievable, you got the URL for her site?
April 19th, 2006 at 4:42 pmSee there, a third thing I-RIGHT-I agree on.
April 19th, 2006 at 4:42 pmRe: Power is the crack pipe for the GOP and they can’t put it down.
Great line. Still, it doesn’t plausable that Bush will be able to suspend elections, unless there is a major terrorist attack a day or two before the 2006 elections. Since the terrorists seem to get that another attack on American soil only strengthens Bush, it’s unlikely they would do so.
For BushCo to do it themselves would take a conspiracy far beyond a few kool-aid drinkers in Pentagon. While I agree that Bush would probably like to do it, it’s a pretty complicated and risky thing.
In way one might think that even Bush would be tired of it all. He’s definately lost that swaggering, smug, bravado he had when he was first elected. He seems rather dark and depressed these days, as opposed to the happy, carefree, bully he was 3 years ago. Sort of like Hitler, post the battle of Stalingrad.
April 19th, 2006 at 4:43 pmCalling comment #79, #79!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/otroopview
For those soldiers with years left on their contracts, for young fathers, and newlyweds, the prospect of the war dragging on is disconcerting. Divorce rates in the Army have risen at least 25 percent since the war began.
Divorce rates have risen 25% in the Army. I wonder how comparable it is with the Marines? in any case, Bush and this war of his is turning out to be a breaker of families.
April 19th, 2006 at 4:45 pmUnbelievable, you got the URL for her site?
Comment by squegeeboo — April 19, 2006 @ 4:42 pm
I think you just click on her screen name where she posted something above.
Otherwise, it’s in the forum with Rush Limbaugh’s mug on it.
April 19th, 2006 at 4:45 pmKindness “careful what you tell the masses. They don’t need to know some stuff.”
Hopefully that’s sarcasm that I missed. Although stuff like feminine hygene is alright to leave out of my knoweldge base.
“We do seem to have a slightly higher level of civility, squeegee. That’s OK I hope.”
If your not frothing at the mouth reading my comments, then I’m not doing my job well enough, and no pay from the RNC for that Week.
April 19th, 2006 at 4:46 pmI think that the stress is getting to Bush. It is like a con man who is unsure why his con isn’t working anymore.
April 19th, 2006 at 4:47 pmRe: “This is why no “real†change is going to happen. It would amount to bringing in new “co-conspirators†into the fold. Much easier to get insiders to go along with the plan and subsequent cover up than convincing a new somebody to but into it” (Citizen80203):
April 19th, 2006 at 4:49 pmThis is the most accurate observation, but I have to qualify it: My take is that GBW CANNOT fire Goering, oops, I mean Rummy, because they had a blood pact and if he was fired, disgruntled Rummy would divulge all the dirt, you know, little things like how GBW orchestrated and engineered 9/11. Does anyone remember way way back when our president sat for 20 minutes in a classroom reading “My Pet Goat” after being told that the World Trade Center had been hit by a second plane? That was because he knew about it BEFORE it happened. Everything else makes sense too, including how the manufactured “war” on terror now allows him to do anything he likes. No Congress. No announcement. Attack. Arrest. Wiretap. Torture. Steal elections. Bomb.
#114 I think you just click on her screen name where she posted something above.
Can’t believe I missed her link there…me are dumb.
My reaction to her site:
GAH!!!! to many tildas, for the love of christ(thats not taking it in vain is it?), why…..
~~~~if~~~~you post things~~~~like this~~~~ or in other~~~~ annoying~~~~ formats~~~~your living~~~~privelages should be ~~~~~~revoked.
or at least your internet privelages.
April 19th, 2006 at 4:51 pm[…] On the Imus show, Tim Russert called in and said that a source close to the White House said that the reason George Bush won’t fire Donald Rumsfeld is because that would equate to firing himself. See the video via Think Progress. […]
April 19th, 2006 at 4:55 pmMistake? The mistake was made by American voters, who allowed the elections to get close enough for the repubs to steal.
April 19th, 2006 at 4:58 pm115
Although stuff like feminine hygene is alright to leave out of my knoweldge base.
Your dry spell is longer than mine, you don’t need to know :)
April 19th, 2006 at 4:59 pmMXXLENT
You do know that Clinton and Bush Sr. do not like Bush Jr., right?
The picture you have accompanying this post of yours is from the announcement of the Bush/Clinton Katrina Relief Fund. You know, when Bush Sr. wouldn’t even acknowledge his son being in the room.
Get informed, then correct your post.
April 19th, 2006 at 5:01 pm102
Guess I’ll just have to help him out then ;)
Watch it, comments like that will get you flowers :)
April 19th, 2006 at 5:01 pmGuess I’ll just have to help him out then ;)
Watch it, comments like that will get you flowers :)
Comment by Tundra — April 19, 2006 @ 5:01 pm
Its spring time and love is in the air. Best be careful or IRI might get jealous. I think he secretly digs Tundra.
April 19th, 2006 at 5:06 pmbush will not fire rummie, but
April 19th, 2006 at 5:08 pmmight rummie fire bush ?
~~~~if~~~~you post things~~~~like this~~~~ or in other~~~~ annoying~~~~ formats~~~~your living~~~~privelages should be ~~~~~~revoked.
or at least your internet privelages.
Comment by squegeeboo — April 19, 2006 @ 4:51 pm
Still want me to be nice to her? Didn’t think so ; )
For the record, despite your political affliation, I love your sense of humor (keeping in mind that my father, to embarrass us as teenagers in front of our friends would drive like his 4′ tall grandmother who watched the road between the dashboard and the steering wheel, and slammed alternatively on the gas and the break…). You and Tundra are a refreshing breath of fresh air from some of the serious wingnuts we used to have.
April 19th, 2006 at 5:11 pm#117 That George Bush must be the smartest man in washington if not the world. It could only take his evil genius to run everything in the world. He uses his evil powers to make the majority vote for him. He waves his evil magic wand and convinces the Dems to vote his way. I suppose his voodoo also made sandra oconnor retire and rehnquist die. The moon looked awfully large last night. maybe Bush is trying to change the tides to get the shoreline to extend to Crawford so he would have waterfront property. please list any additional plots .
April 19th, 2006 at 5:11 pmDivorce rates have risen 25% in the Army. I wonder how comparable it is with the Marines? in any case, Bush and this war of his is turning out to be a breaker of families.
Comment by Dave
Not that you really care about our soldier’s families. As***le.
April 19th, 2006 at 5:12 pmWatch it, comments like that will get you flowers :)
Comment by Tundra — April 19, 2006 @ 5:01 pm
Apparently I’m not allowed to tell you what flowers will get you ;)
(Actually, I’m not that easy, just couldn’t resist playing on your wordst. Though the intention of flowers is as good as flattery, and well, you know where flattery gets you… ooops, I did it again. Forget I said anything at all :)
April 19th, 2006 at 5:15 pm#122 I guess the 2 Bushes didnt speak while at Easter dinner either.
April 19th, 2006 at 5:17 pm#127 Still want me to be nice to her? Didn’t think so ; )
Ah, but I had the common curtesy to attack her after she left the thread instead of to her face.
Or does that just make me a coward?
#121 Your dry spell is longer than mine, you don’t need to know :)
I swear to god tundra, you keep that up, I will get up from this cubicle, walk the hundred yards to yours and smack the sh*t out of you :) Assuming the boss will give me a 15 min break that is.
April 19th, 2006 at 5:19 pmI JUST THINK HYPERPOWERS MUST ACT MILITARILY OR THERES NO POINT IN BEING ONE. IM A HAWK. NOT A FASCIST. I ***DONT*** WANT TO SEE BUSH PREZ FOR LIFE.
Comment by ANVILHEAD — April 19, 2006 @ 4:15 pm
Arrowhead, so, you don’t like monarchs for US here in the U.S., but you wholly approve of Dictatorships abroad controlled by US. Thus, being a “hyperpower” lets you justify theft of another nation’s wealth. Libertarian at home–Authoritarian Abroad. Is that what you really believe?
April 19th, 2006 at 5:19 pmOf course Murtha is right, the U.S. should withdraw the troops from Iraq and as soon as possible since this war was based all along on lies. It is the presence of the U.S. in Iraq that is causing the insurgency to constantly erupt. It is also rather hypocritical of these generals to criticize Rumsfeld and at the same time to make sure that the word withdrawal never passes their lips. One wonders how many Americans have to be killed- 10,000, 58,000, 10,000?- before they will consider that no more Americans should have to be blown up and maimed and wounded and crippled in that abbatoir known as Iraq.
April 19th, 2006 at 5:21 pm#48 You aren’t as clever as you think you are and obviously not capable of understanding the posts here. unbelievable told you her gender but you just don’t “listen” here do ya’?
BTW, you are the troll. We were having a nice cocktail party here and you have crashed it. Now, if you had intelligent comment and/or a good sense of humor, we would ask you to ‘have a drink’ with us. We accept everybody that is accepting. You just seem way too young to be here. Come back when you understand a little more about life and wish to think before you post. Needless rants are just that - needless.
April 19th, 2006 at 5:22 pm#105 “B) If you were dishonest and had mastered the technique for stealing elections without getting caught, would you change your method? I don’t think so. Anyway, we’ll find out next November!”
There seems little doubt that there is a dial-a-vote control over the voting machines that are in the control of someone who is not a Democrat and that the November election will be stolen.
The question is whether Bush love being President so much that he will not surrender power. In any case, the voters no longer have their votes counted fairly unless something drastic happens between now and November such as a whistle-blower coming forward and explaining how the votes are fixed, the Republicans will win again.
April 19th, 2006 at 5:26 pmAh, but I had the common curtesy to attack her after she left the thread instead of to her face.
Or does that just make me a coward?
Comment by squegeeboo — April 19, 2006 @ 5:19 pm
No comment ; )
April 19th, 2006 at 5:26 pm#135 Now, if you had intelligent comment and/or a good sense of humor, we would ask you to ‘have a drink’ with us.
I don’t have the intelligence, but I got the humor. Does my drink take 2-3 weeks to ship like most things? I’ll take a vodka gimit, stoli or better please.
Anyone see this yet http://www.cnn.com/ 2006/ POLITICS/ 04/ 19/ mckinney.report/ index.html
The report said that “C-1 (the complainant, McKenna), while performing his official duties as United States Capitol Police officer and in full uniform, stated that he was physically assaulted by S-1. S-1 struck C-1 in his chest with a closed fist.”
April 19th, 2006 at 5:27 pmNo Kenny Bush is not evil, he is just not interested in the details of how to get things done. The details of , say, selectively declassifying documents, feeding major newspapers bogus information, the details about what to do with a country after he invaded it, what to do during a major Natioanl disaster. He’s not evil he’s just plain incompetent. Now his PR machine was better than the Democrats , even though it might have been a little dishonest, but you are right he was elected, at least once. You are right about that.The only plot is straight out of the PNAC manual, he is a simple man and he likes simple plans. He doesn’t bother with the details that’s all. Maybe we’ll do better next time. I for one don’t like my Government on cruise control with a frat boy driving, some people do.
April 19th, 2006 at 5:27 pmNeedless rants are just that - needless.
Comment by progressive and proud — April 19, 2006 @ 5:22 pm
Amen! : )
April 19th, 2006 at 5:27 pmSqueegee and Tundra,
if you two ever get down to SoCal let me know I would like to meet up and have a drink with you two, even if you are facist right wing thugs. Not sure if you would want to have a drink with a commie leftist hippie like me though.
April 19th, 2006 at 5:29 pmAnyone seen Ryan? It’s been 4 days…
April 19th, 2006 at 5:30 pm#141 Sounds like fun, except for us having to pay, what with being employed and all, unlike you moonunist hippies.
After all, I’d be liberal, but my job keeps me from the best protests.
#142 I’m assuming spring break somewhere that he dosn’t have easy access to the interwebs.
April 19th, 2006 at 5:32 pm#128 Kenny: If what you’re saying is that you don’t believe in conspiracy theories, then we are on the same side. Now, what part of the Iraq debacle are you willing to defend; which of the pictures from Abu-Ghraib doesn’t make you want to puke; how many of the children in Fallujah deserved to die; how long should people who were at the wrong place at the wrong time be held in Guantanamo; did you like W’s response to Katrina; should he listen to private conversations without a court order? Reality based questions Kenny……. please answer.
April 19th, 2006 at 5:33 pmAssuming the boss will give me a 15 min break that is.
Comment by squegeeboo — April 19, 2006 @ 5:19 pm
I’d tell you to feign femalel problems because it freaks most men out to the point of letting you do damn near anything to stop talking about it - but I know how you are about that sort of subject…
Do you live in New York too? I’m supposed to visit my friend in Long Island this summer.
April 19th, 2006 at 5:34 pmyeah the whole job thing sure cuts into my free time.
April 19th, 2006 at 5:35 pmnot only would he be firing himself but he would be firing his protection in the case of a coup in which rummy would be the key willing and cheerleading player.
April 19th, 2006 at 5:40 pm#139 - Good post, I agree with some of what you say. It seems pretty clear Bush is incurious and mentally lazy, but I don’t think that means he isn’t evil. Remember, the story about when George Bush was Gov of Texas, he loved to mock the woman (I’ve forgotten her name) who was due to be excuted and pleaded for clemency. He is evil, alright.
The author M. Scott Peck writes in his book, The Road Less Travelled about the evil of the lie. There is no bigger liar in the country, no man who purposely lies in ordr to go to war, to torture, to steal elections, give to the rich and steal from the poor the way Bush does. By buying into the meme that poor Georgie just isn’t as smart as the other boys, lets him off the hook.
His very closeness to Karl Rove, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld ought to tell us everything we need to know about Bush; that he’s a sociopathic, neurotic, and narcisistic man who has no conscience and he will always put his own interests ahead of the country’s.
April 19th, 2006 at 5:42 pmSquegee - Yea we saw the Mckinney report. Didn’t you see the McKinney apology? It was a week ago or more.
On your earlier post - no, I don’t like everything you say &/or think, but you don’t get on my last nerve much.
April 19th, 2006 at 5:46 pmBefore the U.S. invaded Iraq, their were at most a few thousand folks spread around the globe who hated us. Now, after Bush, Cheney, Rummy and the rest have done their dirt work, we’ve made blood enemies out of millions upon millions. The numbers of our enemies, under this administration, have increased as much or more as our national debt. China, Russia, Iran, for God’s sake, has profited by the Bushies idiocy - surely not the middle-class American worker.I simply cannot understand anyone of anywhere near normal intellegnce, who is not in the higher reaches of the oil industry, or super rich, of a religious nut, who could back our present government.
April 19th, 2006 at 5:50 pm141
if you two ever get down to SoCal let me know I would like to meet up and have a drink with you two
Heck I’m going to Georgia :)
I don’t think I could travel with Squegeeboo that long, as annoying as he is on here, he’s worse in person. (Notice no smiley face)
Not sure if you would want to have a drink with a commie leftist hippie like me though.
April 19th, 2006 at 5:52 pmIt’s amazing how the mention of the word drink can get past such things :)
Here’s the info on Karla Faye Tucker, the first woman to be executed in Texas in over a hundred years, and George Bush.
…
President George W. Bush Publicly Mocked Karla’s Clemency Plea
In early August 1999, then Presidential candidate Governor George W. Bush mocked Karla Tucker’s plea for clemency during an interview with Talk Magazine. Bush mentioned that he had watched Larry King’s interview with Karla Tucker from Texas Death Row.
“I didn’t meet with Larry King either when he came down for it,” Bush told the magazine. “I watched his interview with (Tucker), though. He asked her real difficult questions, like, `What would you say to Governor Bush?’ ”
The Talk reporter asked how she answered.
” `Please,’ Bush whimpers, his lips pursed in mock desperation, `don’t kill me,’ ” according to the magazine.
Here’s the relevant clip of the interview from the September 1999 issue of Talk Magazine.
GOP Presidental Primary Opponent Gary Bauer critisized Bush for these comments.
“I think it is nothing short of unbelievable that the governor of a major state running for president thought it was acceptable to mock a woman he decided to put to death,” Bauer said of Bush.
Houston Chronicle, August 11, 1999
http://www.geocities.com/ rainforest/ canopy/ 2525/ karlamain.html#Plea%20for%20Clemency
April 19th, 2006 at 5:56 pmI think that would be okay with a lot of people. Actually it sounds a little schizo, but we already knew that.
Dave Letterman does a segment, “Great Speeches in History”. It ends, showing our babbling President.
April 19th, 2006 at 5:58 pm#15 - “Judd, when are you going to stop quoting the right-wing media? I mean, are you some kinda fascist? - Comment by Seixon
*****Excellent point, Seixon!! (I can almost feel the love!) TP could provide a truly valuable service for the usual suspects if they would analyze the Nation, and other “geniuses” like Mother Jones, the Washington Spectator, Bob Herbert, Maureen Dowdy, etc. But come to think of it, if TP didn’t critique Fox or MSNBC to a lesser degree, this whole place would collapse like a house of cards.
#27 - “We had nine people decide who would be President in 2000, why not 55 people decide who should be Vice President?” Comment by Dim Soldier
****** Wrong again, Dim. EVERY re-count of Florida (even liberal northeastern papers, Dimmy) showed Bush won Florida. Choke on it…..
Has that vulgar, pitiful little RyANNe been bounced AGAIN?? What a shame….
April 19th, 2006 at 6:01 pmUnbelievable “Do you live in New York too? I’m supposed to visit my friend in Long Island this summer.”
Im up in rochester NY, its roughly 6 hours to NYC from me.
April 19th, 2006 at 6:01 pmOkay, perverbial drinks all around. Hey squeqee, I’ll buy your first round. But you will have to come to a republican dominated state, sorry.”-)
You just HAVE to join us unbelievable. Pretty girls get good drinks. I fancy cosmopo