Harry Reid: No Good Military Options in Iran
Harry Reid: No Good Military Options in Iran
Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) has joined the long list of national security officials, Iran experts, and others who argue that no good military options exist in Iran. (Read the full list HERE.)
Reid, D-Nev., said the administration should be taking the lead, but instead is relying on Germany, France and Great Britain to convince Iran to end its uranium enrichment program.
“It is hard to comprehend,” Reid said Tuesday in Reno. “We should be involved at trying to arrive at a diplomatic solution. … Not just these three countries.” …
“Our not being involved diplomatically in trying to solve the situation in Iran shows the Bush failure in foreign policy there and elsewhere.”
And he said the U.S. has no military option in Iran.
“We don’t have the resources to do it” because of the ongoing war in Iraq,” he said.
The right wing is already on the attack. Michelle Malkin:
The same bed-wetting Dem Senator–Harry Reid–who accused Bush of swaggering is swaggering about how the President isn’t doing enough to lead the way on Iran.
But Reid isn’t “swaggering” or calling for Bush-style unilateralism — just the opposite. For too long President Bush has ceded leadership and sat on the sidelines of the Iran negotiations, fundamentally weakening our position. The Iran nuclear crisis can likely be resolved using diplomatic, economic, and political power. Unfortunately, as Reid understands, the Bush administration has proved utterly incompetent at employing the full range of U.S. powers in the past.
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“No good military options in Iran” – No kidding. Impeach the “Decider” before he sets the planet on fire.
April 20th, 2006 at 12:32 pmBush is getting caught this time. Pretending to try diplomatic solutions when you are not actually trying won’t work anymore. And the nation is not ready for another pointless war.
April 20th, 2006 at 12:36 pmThe only word need be spoken here is PLAME. there was someone working on Iran and the proliferation. She and her team has been outted now!
April 20th, 2006 at 12:37 pmWhenever you find yourself taking Harry Reid seriously there’s just one question you have to ask yourself, punk: “Do I feel lucky?”
Well, do ya, punk?
April 20th, 2006 at 12:39 pmPlay the Malkin Game!
April 20th, 2006 at 12:40 pmhttp://www.sadlyno.com/archives/002609.html
Bush is planning a war. He has no intention of diplomacy, that would require intelligence, and he is dreadfully short on that in every sense of the word.
Glad to see Democrats with some huevos finally!
April 20th, 2006 at 12:41 pmThis is tangential, but how tired has Michelle Malkin become? “Bed-wetting Dem Senator?” I find it all too instructive that the spokespeople for the Right in this country uniformly and immediately descend into ad hominem attacks to make their points. Absent both the vision and the wisdom to engage real ideas, they have only juvenile name-calling remaining in their rhetorical arsenal. Pitiful.
April 20th, 2006 at 12:43 pmThe Chimp needs to be neutered.
April 20th, 2006 at 12:45 pmAgain the despicable little fascist Malkin gets it wrong.
April 20th, 2006 at 12:46 pmIsn’t Malkin young and fit enough (okay- not mentally fit) to enlist in the Army and fight her leader’s war in Iraq or soon-to-be war in Iran?
April 20th, 2006 at 12:49 pm“The Iran nuclear crisis can likely be resolved using diplomatic, economic, and political power.”
Yet Korea shows that its just as likely to fail if you only rely on those.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/kim/nukes/nukes.html
“Over the summer of 2002, mounting intelligence convinced the U.S. that North Korea was pursuing a covert uranium enrichment program. U.S. intelligence officials believe that Pyongyang may have traded ballistic missiles and their blueprints to Pakistan in exchange for gas centrifuges and other equipment. They also saw evidence that the North Koreans were seeking to obtain quantities of high strength aluminum — a key ingredient used to make gas centrifuges.”
“Apparently surprised by how much the U.S. had learned, the Pyongyang officials admitted to the existence of the HUE program, in direct violation of the NPT.”
April 20th, 2006 at 12:50 pmAs I’ve stated before, Bushco has no interest in diplomacy. Peace and stability aren’t as profitable.
Hello mother! (meg mac)
t-mac
April 20th, 2006 at 12:52 pm#7, not only juvenile/puerile but, more specifically and pathetically, scatological. It’s all pee-pee and poo-poo with such folks, since the merest breath of anything resembling real thought (or suggestions from folks like us’n’s that following the dictates of one’s glands — male OR female — might NOT ALWAYS be the best option) sends them scurrying to the safe folds of their own dank crotches, from whence they start babbling like the pre-potty-training things they are.
April 20th, 2006 at 12:53 pmSo Squgee does this mean you are going down to the recruiters office with Anvil? You borh seem to want this war so much, maybe you should try supporting our troops instead of talking them into another war.
April 20th, 2006 at 12:54 pmThanks God, Senator Reid.
Standing up and calling the President on his stupid posturing.
We need to stop the administration’s march of folly.
I think that this statement makes political sense, but I know that it’s in the long term interests of the country. And that’s much more important.
April 20th, 2006 at 12:55 pm#14 Jules, I don’t want war, but I have no issue with planning/covert actions now so in case of war we can be on the best possible footing.
“Squgee does this mean you are going down to the recruiters office with Anvil?”
Do I plan on signing up? Currently no, but if/when the time comes I won’t do it in the company of Anvil.
April 20th, 2006 at 12:56 pmI understand that Bush does not know the meaning of very many words and therefore must make up his own, so could someone please get him a dictionary and highlight important words like security, diplomacy, constitution…..
April 20th, 2006 at 12:57 pmWonder how long it will be before Reid caves back in and starts apologizing to Karl Rove…er, I mean “the Decider” Bush? It’s happened before.
I can’t believe the foolishness has been allowed to go on for so long. But that’s what happens when the greed/war party controls the executive & legislative branches, plus the shilling corporate media.
What a f*cking travesty for a country that was once a shining example for the rest of the world.
April 20th, 2006 at 12:57 pm#18, “What a f*cking travesty for a country that was once a shining example for the rest of the world.”
I agree … interesting to me, though, is the question of when it all started to change. For me everything patriotic pretty much died when I was still quite young, with the death of the Apollo space program, but that is a very personal thing (and I am not saying the President of that moment was anything to write home about, either).
Did it all start to go horribly wrong pretty quickly after WWII? With the dropping of the first atomic bomb? With the Cold War?
April 20th, 2006 at 1:00 pmComment by ANVILHEAD — April 20, 2006 @ 1:03 pm
Fra left side of teh keyboard, third row from the bottom, first button. Press it (Caps Lock).
April 20th, 2006 at 1:07 pmComment by ANVILHEAD — April 20, 2006 @ 1:03 pm
Far left side of the keyboard, third row from the bottom, first button. Press it (Caps Lock).
April 20th, 2006 at 1:07 pm#19 Glen “Did it all start to go horribly wrong pretty quickly after WWII?”
Pretty much once we took our place as a world power after WW2 instead of our traditional isolationism and started our role as world police. I would think that is where most people would place it.
April 20th, 2006 at 1:10 pmMalkin, Hannity, McClellan, et cetera seem to be available to join the military to increase the number of troops available to either lead the way into Iran, or fill in for some troops in Iraq to let those tuckered out soldiers do their fighting for them again, this time in Iran.
Swagger, indeed.
April 20th, 2006 at 1:11 pmSo Michelle Malkin has moved on from terrorizing private citizens by revealing phone numbers to making totally erroneous comments about Harry Reid. Wow! I never thought that a kindergarten dropout would get this far to write crap.
April 20th, 2006 at 1:12 pmReid, D-Nev., said the administration should be taking the lead, but instead is relying on Germany, France and Great Britain to convince Iran to end its uranium enrichment program.
A whole lot of people on this site think that Germany, France, Russia and Great Britain should be taking the lead on this.
Granted not a whole lot agree with my Ipod and chips theory, but I haven’t heard anyone say that the U.S should be taking the lead with Iran. Is that the official Democratic position? The U.S should be taking the lead in dealing with Iran?
April 20th, 2006 at 1:15 pmCompletly off topic, but to good not to share
http://money.guardian.co.uk/news_/story/0,,1757055,00.html
“The €500 notes are popularly known in Spain as “Bin Ladens” because like the al-Qaida leader, everybody knows they are around but hardly anyone has seen them.”
April 20th, 2006 at 1:17 pmGORE/FEINGOLD PRESIDANTIAL TICKET 2008
April 20th, 2006 at 1:19 pmGORE/FEINGOLD PRESIDANTIAL TICKET 2008
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yes’m, nothing says “I’m making an intelligent argument” quite like calling your opponent a bed-wetter.
April 20th, 2006 at 1:20 pm“The €500 notes are popularly known in Spain as “Bin Ladens†because like the al-Qaida leader, everybody knows they are around but hardly anyone has seen them.†Comment by squegeeboo
Good one, squeeze.
Was you thinking Karl Rove?
April 20th, 2006 at 1:25 pm“Thanks God, Senator Reid.”
Amen to that! It’s about time for some Democratic leadership on this Iran talk. It’d be nice if ALL the Senate Democrats made a statement that this Administration absolutely cannot be trusted to speak truthfully about the threat or competently execute any military action.
April 20th, 2006 at 1:25 pmTundra – if the US is the country that is willing to drop a nuclear weapon on Iran if it does not cease and desist shouldn’t the US first engage in some level of discussion with the leaders of Iran? Should the first option we take be to threaten war? Another war that we could not possibly win?
April 20th, 2006 at 1:27 pm#19, Glenn Becker: WWII created the first batch of billionaires and businessmen and politicians discovered anew how profitable war really was. You do the math. On the investment side you have tax dollars and the lives of poor young men; none of which belong to the investor. Of the income side you have billions of dollars for the few involved in the industries providing war supplies. Add to that the lucrative deals that the “liberated” people sign with our well-connected people. Profit percentile, infinite. Afghanistan and Iraq added something else on the profit side; lucrative reconstruction contracts. Now the few make money when destroy a country and even more when we rebuild the infrastructure we destroyed.
That is the reason, according to William Blum: “From 1945 to 2003, the United States attempted to overthrow more than 40 foreign governments, and to crush more than 30 populist-nationalist movements fighting against intolerable regimes. In the process, the US bombed some 25 countries, caused the end of life for several million people, and condemned many millions more to a life of agony and despair.”
The military industrial complex has spread into our system and now controls all our live-sustaining functions. The corporations that used to lobby the government to undertake lucrative wars now form the government. We have lost control and the country born in 1776 is now long dead. If the Pentagon budget is cut by any significant amount, a majority of the population will fall below the poverty line. The already weak dollar will not be worth the paper it is printed on. Even the Democrats know this only too well and that is the reason the Democratic Party may lament the way Bush has screwed up in Iraq but will not take an anti-war position.
Just my 2 cents and I apologize for the depths of hopelessness I am speaking from.
April 20th, 2006 at 1:41 pm33
shouldn’t the US first engage in some level of discussion with the leaders of Iran?
I’m not saying we shouldn’t talk, should the U.S take the lead as Senator Reid said. Is this whole Iran thing an international community thing or a U.S responsibility to take care of? If it’s a U.S must take care of because the rest of the world doesn’t want to then I have one idea on resolution. If it’s an international issue I have a completely different idea on how it should be resolved.
Should the first option we take be to threaten war?
April 20th, 2006 at 1:42 pmNever
In all this discussion of WMD and nuclear weapons I still find it ironic that the US is the only country ever to use them. You’d think we would have learned.
April 20th, 2006 at 1:42 pmwhen the charcoaled bodies of women and children begin to appear in the newspapers all over the world of America dropping nukes on Iran
It will be ironic and nobody to blame but yourselfs
April 20th, 2006 at 1:49 pm#35 Abby, your also forgetting that WW2 led to a substancial increase in the Income tax, as well as pulling it weekly from pay as opposed to quarterly/yearly.
This allowed the US Gov’t to fund all sorts of things they really shouldn’t have been funding once the war ended, and with the weekly as opposed to the yearly, we(americans, not me personally, too young for that) didn’t notice the increases in income tax as much, and looked forward to getting a refund at the end of the year.
Interesting side note, ask people at your work place how much they payed in taxes, and see how many say “I didn’t pay anything, I got X amount back” and then you’ll see what I mean.
April 20th, 2006 at 1:53 pmReid is defintely right here. Bush has been trying to downplay reports of possible military action by stressing diplomacy, while not actually engaging in any diplomacy.
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April 20th, 2006 at 1:53 pmhttp://griperblade.blogspot.com – grumblings from the heartland
So, Bush is going by the name “Anvilhead” now (#34)?
Must say, the nickname fits.
April 20th, 2006 at 1:53 pm#35, Abby,
Thanks. Food for thought and … more. Hopelessness? Yes, I’m there. I turn my eyes more and more from this spectacle and back towards the science and starry skies I loved as a child. It’s some kind of survival instinct: I don’t want my wonder to die. And the ineluctable fact that Dumbya and his cohorts and his policies seem to meet not only with approval from some but are actually claimed to be somehow inspiring … well, for me the universe and all good it contains implodes at the mere mention.
Thanks for the pointer to Blum, whom I will have to read if I can find the strength again.
April 20th, 2006 at 1:56 pmI heard Michelle Malkin liked being tied up in college.
Seriously.
April 20th, 2006 at 1:56 pmTundra – I understand your point. I do not want the US to be the big brother of the world.
I guess what it boils down to is this; If this administration would take it upon our country to go to war with Iran over this issue without the assistance of the rest of the world, then yes, we do need to take the lead.
April 20th, 2006 at 1:57 pm#42, I agree re: the nickname. And it seems to have fallen like the solid brick of matter it is right on the Caps Lock key.
The need to shout is a sign of the writer’s impotent rage.
April 20th, 2006 at 1:58 pmANVILLHEAD… you need to committed to a psychiatric institution ASAP!!
April 20th, 2006 at 2:03 pmI found this analysis and thought of sharing it with everyone here:
Slowly but surely, the grand strategy of the Bush administration is being revealed. It is not aimed primarily at the defeat of global terrorism, the incapacitation of rogue states, or the spread of democracy in the Middle East. These may dominate the rhetorical arena and be the focus of immediate concern, but they do not govern key decisions regarding the allocation of long-term military resources. The truly commanding objective – the underlying basis for budgets and troop deployments – is the containment of China.
April 20th, 2006 at 2:03 pmThis objective governed White House planning during the administration’s first seven months in office, only to be set aside by the perceived obligation to highlight anti-terrorism after September 11, 2001; but now, despite President George W Bush’s preoccupation with Iraq and Iran, the White House is also reemphasizing its paramount focus on China, risking a new Asian arms race with potentially catastrophic consequences.
Containing China: The US’s real objective
ANVILLHEAD… you need to be committed to a psychiatric institution ASAP!!
April 20th, 2006 at 2:05 pmThe Right Wing is on the march to counter conscientious objectors to a pre-emptive strike against ANOTHER sovereign Nation? Sounds like the Christian Compassionate Coalition Party (CCCP) can’t have their Armageddon with out war,
Hummz,
Let’s review…
Radical Islamists are Terrorists?
CCCP are liberator Warriors?
Either way, they endorse the same policy ~ DEATH and DESTRUCTION.
April 20th, 2006 at 2:06 pmIs Anvilhead some kind of crude parody troll?
As for Michelle, she’s become a parody of herself.
April 20th, 2006 at 2:07 pmThe only solution on Iran is for president Bush to send flowers and chocolates to Iran and an appology note on his behalf saying he has been a bit arrogant and ignorant and that He hopes Iran accepts his appologies with sincerety
cause anything short will make world matters a lot worse
April 20th, 2006 at 2:07 pmTwo things are possible:
1. Reid is lying, in which case he is misleading the American people and giving aid and comfort to the kook dictator of Iran; or
2. Reid is telling the truth, in which case he is revealing sensitive national security information and giving aid and comfort to the kook dictator of Iran.
Either way Reid is giving aid and comfort to the kook dictator of Iran. Way to go, Dirty Harry.
April 20th, 2006 at 2:08 pmBush is planning a war.
Yes, and the sky is falling, Chicken Little.
Why is war planning such a big deal? We do it all the time. It has been a full-time job for thousands of Pentagon civilian and miltary planners since the outset of the Cold War (which we won, by the way, by pushing forward on a war plan involving “Star Wars”).
Calm down, little lefty cheepers. Conservatives will protect Amercian interests, as and when necessary, while you fret and cower under your beds.
April 20th, 2006 at 2:13 pmGORE/FEINGOLD PRESIDANTIAL TICKET 2008
Please, God, may it be so.
April 20th, 2006 at 2:15 pmHave you noticed how ANVILHEAD always talks in all caps? I guess nobody told him not to talk with his mouth full, eh?
April 20th, 2006 at 2:22 pmReid is telling the truth, in which case he is revealing sensitive national security information and giving aid and comfort to the kook dictator of Iran.
Comment by Blue State Red — April 20, 2006 @ 2:08 pm
How is saying “We don’t have the resources to do it because of the ongoing war in Iraq” revealing “sensitive” security information?
Also, I didn’t realise it was a secret that the US is relying on other countries to put diplomatic pressure on Iran. I thought it was public domain.
It seems to me there is a third possibility: Harry Reid is stating the obvious. Obvious, that is, for anyone who reads the newspapers.
April 20th, 2006 at 2:27 pmThe Left is never satisfied. It either condemns the President as a “unilateralist” who ignores the diplomatic help of other countries or it condmens him as a failed leader who relies too heaviy on the diplomatic help of other countries. You can’t have it both ways.
April 20th, 2006 at 2:31 pmNico totally missed the point of Michelle Malkins article and chose to incite the passions of you liberal readers istead. All you liberals constantly claim that you think for yourselves, but you prove over and over again that you can’t even read an article with any objectivity–much less anything else.
April 20th, 2006 at 2:34 pmYou can’t have it both ways.
Comment by Blue State Red — April 20, 2006 @ 2:31 pm
Pres Bush unilaterally decided to invade Iraq despite opposition to military action from allies.
Pres Bush is rellying on the same allies he previously ignored to put pressure on Iran.
Two different events. Two different approaches. He has used both. Pears. Apples.
April 20th, 2006 at 2:35 pmWhen has anyone ever said this idiot,, er president, ever relied too heavily on the diplomatic help of other countries?
April 20th, 2006 at 2:35 pmIt’s your little twist at the end we don’t agree with. Your use of the word “dealing” is what is incorrect. Your question should be:
“Is that the official Democratic position? The U.S should be taking the lead in holding diplomatic talks with Iran?”
That is what the official Democratic position is.
April 20th, 2006 at 2:36 pmPeople, people, people.
Ignore fools. Spinnin’ our wheels on their delusions makes us the feeble.
Here’s the IMPORTANT piece the bushies won’t address:
Sure, we could bomb anyone in the world. It’s the: and then what? that bushies can’t answer. They can’t answer it cause we ALL know we don’t have the troops to entertain a ground war in Iran. bushies, wearing their adolecent ego/pride on their shoulders refuse to admit that. So what would bombing accomplish?
It’d SLOW but NOT STOP Iran’s uranium enrichment.
It’d make just about every Muslim on the planet think it’s OK to kill Americans, anywhere, anytime.
It would give Iran it’s first target for when it finishes enriching uranium(us).
Our military knows this, we all know this, the whole world knows it, the Iranian leadership knows it. bushies deny it (but they’re delusional anyhow, just look at bsr & anvilface).
So, stop worrying about our trolls. Call every elected official you’ve got and tell them!
April 20th, 2006 at 2:37 pmWHY DO YOU ALL HATE AMERICA?
Well, the traffic sucks.
April 20th, 2006 at 2:37 pmWhy are you so stupid. The US has not won Iraq.
April 20th, 2006 at 2:38 pmAnd, it’s hard to get good fruit in the winter.
April 20th, 2006 at 2:38 pm“Unfortunately, as Reid understands, the Bush administration has proved utterly incompetent at employing the full range of U.S. powers in the past. ”
Saddam says that’s not quite true and the Taliban concurs. In addition the Bush doctrine has created in the UN a sense of it’s own incompetence and irrelevance in the face of international terrorism where they just MIGHT stop fighting the USA and fight the Islamoheadchoppers. I’d say Bush has done quite well in the application of our full range of powers both militarily and economically. Really, what would a fool like Reid understand?
April 20th, 2006 at 2:39 pmThe point that we, the iberals , dirty word , for winnuts freaks, is we know Bush talks diplomaty and cooperation with europe , but means war , unilateral war .The neocons those who have never seen , never experienced war , talk with forked tongue , Vipers all.
April 20th, 2006 at 2:39 pmPerfect example of how you know this nimrod has never served in the military.
There is no such thing as a “gun” to a soldier. Besides, most likey that weapon wasn’t even made in America, so it isn’t an American anything.
April 20th, 2006 at 2:40 pmHow is saying “We don’t have the resources to do it because of the ongoing war in Iraq†revealing “sensitive†security information?
By asking this question you demonstrate the Left’s sheer ignorance and betrayal on national security matters. The Left hates President Bush so much that it will reveal any information, at any time or place, regardless of the consequences to our national security, so long as it provides an excuse to attack the President – during wartime, no less.
The most egregious recent example of this was the revelation of the NSA terrorist surveillance program. That story damaged our national security by alerting the terrorists to our intelligence tactics, and led to public calls by a U.S. Senator for the censure of the President – during wartime, no less. Yet the Left pats itself on the back, and awards itself another Pulitzer Prize, because it believes it took another piece of the President’s scalp on this issue.
You progs are a disgrace to this wonderful country, which is the only country in the world that so thoroughly protects your right to be wrong. Shame on you all.
April 20th, 2006 at 2:42 pmHa, Saddam laughs at us everyday. Iraqis want his authoritarian rule back.
The soldiers in Afgahnastan fight the Taliban everyday.
Saddam was the arch enemy of the Iranians, because he propped up Sunnis and tortured and killed Shias.
The Taliban was also an arch enemy of Iran.
So, by taking out Saddam and the Taliban, we HELPPED IRAN.
April 20th, 2006 at 2:43 pm#73 – you still have not said what information Reid revealed.
April 20th, 2006 at 2:45 pmBy asking this question you demonstrate the Left’s sheer ignorance and betrayal on national security matters.
Comment by Blue State Red — April 20, 2006 @ 2:42 pm
By answering the way you did, you have showed inability to stay on topic, answer a simple question, and substantiate your claim.
I will quote you again, since you seem to have forgotten your own statement: “Reid is telling the truth, in which case he is revealing sensitive national security information and giving aid and comfort to the kook dictator of Iran.”
You clearly mentioned Sen Reid. Now substantiate you assertion and explain how what he said revealed “sensitive national security information” to anyone.
April 20th, 2006 at 2:49 pm#66
I didn’t know it was possible to type in a sing-song voice, but you pull it off quite nicely. Are you one of those psychic ladies? You seem to know things that no one can know…Every Muslim on the planet will think it’s ok to kill Americans…Our military knows this, we all know this, the whole world knows it, the Iranian leadership knows it. bushies deny it (but they’re delusional anyhow, Who’s delusional? You may be a nice person, but you’re definitely out to lunch.
April 20th, 2006 at 2:49 pmHey dumbass, Iran doesn’t have a dictator. He was elected.
April 20th, 2006 at 2:52 pmBLUES STATE RED…. LOVE YOUR COUNTRY DISTRUST YOUR GOVERNMENT…..
April 20th, 2006 at 2:54 pm#76 Fudge boy,
It is the left the underestimates our enemies, in fact you don’t even acknowledge that there’s a threat–that’s why most of the country doesn’t trust the Democrats with national security. As for not serving our country, you are grossly misinformed. Are you retarded?
April 20th, 2006 at 2:57 pm78 – yea, clip and parse statements so they don’t say or mean what was originally written. Sure, you’ve got a lot of honor & class. Why don’t you put in for a job with bushco. You’d be a perfect fit. You’re already a lying asshole.
Try denying what i said though.
April 20th, 2006 at 2:57 pmWe acknowledge there is a threat dumbass.
Yes, there is a problem with terrorists. They do terrible things that needs to stop. But, attacking a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 is not how you stop them. You go after the terrorists. You know Osama bin Laden.
Which branch did you serve in?
April 20th, 2006 at 3:02 pm#66…. i agree with you. Invading Iran will only serve to amalgamate the muslims in the Middle East against the West. including some of the more moderate dictators (Jordan,Turkey,Saudi Arabia,Pakistan). The Bush admin is not interested in diplomacy. they jettisoned that when our foreign policy became one of confrontation and sabre-rattling! preemptive diplomacy does not have a spot for reason!!
April 20th, 2006 at 3:02 pmI like that. You weren’t talking about tanks numbnuts. You meant an American soldier aiming at an insurgent. But, now you change your story. Say what you mean and mena what you say.
April 20th, 2006 at 3:04 pm#24, squegeeboo,
I wonder why there can’t be something between isolationism and world police. :^| I mean, of course there /can/ be.
Plus the injection of messianic religious stuff into the equation makes it even more disturbing. To me.
April 20th, 2006 at 3:04 pmA**head- didn’t you say we would not need the Army? Didn’t you say we would just bomb them? Well, isn’t the Army the military service with tanks? and the last I looked a tank cannot fly!
So when are you going to join coward!
April 20th, 2006 at 3:04 pm#84
I used … to separate your comments. I was pointing out your broad sweeping statements like EVERY Muslim, and the WHOLE world. So where’s my lie? By the way, I love how you called me an asshole to avoid sounding like a kindergarten teacher.
April 20th, 2006 at 3:19 pmYeah trolls – your presidents policies are doing so well and good Americans think he is doing such a good job that even the republican news network, commonly known as Fox just released his new poll numbers – 33% and falling BABY!
April 20th, 2006 at 3:23 pmA**HEAD… did you know that Pakistan also has the ‘bomb’??? there are lots and lots of Muslims there and Musharaf is having a really difficult time keeping them pacified. Bombing Iran will only serve to amalgamate all muslims. please think!!! its not un-american to do that you know! one of the things i liked about Colin Powell was that he looked at the ‘BIG” picture! and that is the problem with the current myopic admin.
April 20th, 2006 at 3:25 pmno sense of the bigger picture!!!
#86
Air Force
April 20th, 2006 at 3:29 pmIf you think the terrorists didn’t know that phone lines were being listened to, then you’re just about as sharp as a marble.
April 20th, 2006 at 3:30 pmBLUE STATE RED… i am glad you are living in a blue state. You have been marginilized! thank the lord!!
April 20th, 2006 at 3:37 pmBUSHIES! You are making the same mistake we have already made in Iraq!
Bomb…….Then What?
April 20th, 2006 at 3:37 pmWhat’s Michelle’s phone number, anyway?
April 20th, 2006 at 3:43 pmNico totally missed the point of Michelle Malkins article and chose to incite the passions of you liberal readers istead. (…)you can’t even read an article with any objectivity–much less anything else.
Comment by Antagonist — April 20, 2006 @ 2:34 pm
The point of Malkin’s sorry piece was to find an excuse to smear Sen Reid and call him names.
Speaking objectively, it is inappropriate for a political commentator -such as Ms. Malkin fancies herself to be- to use scatological references when talking about a US senator.
Speaking objectively, as soon as a personality like Ms Malkin uses such terms, they show they have no real argument and choose to insult instead.
Open with strawman arguments, continue with potty-talk, and close with a rhetorical question does not an argument make -objectively speaking.
April 20th, 2006 at 3:49 pmGee, what wet beds has Malkin been in?
Certainly not Harry Reid’s. She needs to speak for herself.
April 20th, 2006 at 3:50 pmThere’s that word again, ‘incompetent.’
NEGLIGENCE IS NOT incompetence.
The PNAC plans on attacking Iran. Full stop. WHY IN HELL SHOULD THEY ‘NEGOTIATE’?
Since people can’t stand to think that the rightwing is setting off WWIII, even though they CONSTANTLY TELL THEM THEIR INTENTIONS, they keep falling back on the ‘incompetence’ myth.
Here’s the Skull And Bones Praxis, once again. Learn these steps:
1. Threaten to do something ‘unthinkable.’ “Mrs. Smith, you could lose all you money in this investment if you aren’t careful.”
2. DO IT. “Mrs. Smith, I’m calling to tell you that t the worst has happened. Your money is gone.”
3. Blame the victim; SHOW THEM YOUR ARSE. “You shouldn’t have talked with us, if you didn’t want to take the risk.”
4. GET THEM TO THANK YOU FOR IT (kiss it). “Mrs. Smith, you know that we only have your own benefit in mind. You should thank us for trying to save your money, since you really didn’t think it through before you invested. After all, we warned you. But you don’t take your money seriously enough. Easy come, easy go — cheer up!
Add in just enough malice in the tone of voice to trigger subconscious fears of being overwhelmed, and the rapist-bank robber-liars take their fill, and then the rest of what’s left.
Make sure you talk up how GREAT we’re doing now that Bush is doing so ‘badly.’ That will keep you from focusing on how the elections are being stolen through a COMPLETELY ILLEGAL Republican-run secret voting system, with NO RECOUNTS and no paper trail to do it with anyhow.
1. We’re going to nuke Tehran.
April 20th, 2006 at 4:00 pm2. We did it; we told you we would..
3. If you didn’t want us to nuke Iran, you should have stopped us. It’s a bit late now.
4. Since you didn’t stop us, you agreed with our policies.
#100
Ms. Malkins’ only fault is that she stooped to use the same methods the left had been using since Bush took office.
April 20th, 2006 at 4:05 pmWhy do republicans consistently try to rewrite history?
Trash talk has been the weapon of the right since Reagan was in office.
April 20th, 2006 at 4:14 pmMs. Malkins’ only fault is that she stooped to use the same methods the left had been using since Bush took office.
Comment by Antagonist — April 20, 2006 @ 4:05 pm
I don’t recall anyone calling Pres Bush a “bed-wetter”.
But I am happy we could agree her name-calling was inappropriate, that she has no actual argument to make, and that you tacitly admitted you were wrong when you said nobody in this blog can be objective.
April 20th, 2006 at 4:17 pmI would accept proof of god if one day michelle malkin, who is so insignificant and annoying that I don’t care to see how she really spells her first name, and anus coulter could somehow be so rapt in conversation with each other on a busy street in LA that they inadvertently stepped out into traffic and were both flattened by a bus simultaneously…and fox news got it all on film.
That would be proof that heaven may exist somewhere, even right here on earth, if only for a moment.
April 20th, 2006 at 4:17 pmnuke ther asses and take ther gasses. anyone here lend me 50$ to fill-up my pick -up? doe deee doe dodoe doe doe
April 20th, 2006 at 4:21 pmHey dumbass, Iran doesn’t have a dictator. He was elected.
Comment by Spudge_Boy
You’re right and that relieves the USA of any responsibility of killing “innocent” civilians. Thanks for pointing out that the Iranian electorate put an insane Muslim headchopping evil doer in office. I think they need a lesson in responsible voting don’t you?
April 20th, 2006 at 4:27 pmIRI…. if that is the case then maybe 9/11 was our lesson for allowing Goober to steal the election.
April 20th, 2006 at 4:41 pm$50? You must have a small tank. What ya got, a VW pickup?
April 20th, 2006 at 4:42 pmAnd, in honor of the Vote-fraud ‘Fallen,’ here’s some more news ThinkProgress has ignored:
“Amongst just some of the lawsuits and other legal proceedings now underway in light of HAVA implementation around the country…
ALASKA: Democratic Party files suit against state to release Diebold voting data from 2004 Election.
CALIFORNIA: Voters file suit against SoS and Election Registrars to decertify Diebold machines.
FLORIDA: Leon County Supervisor of Elections begins legal action against Diebold for breach of contract after machines found to be hackable; Attorney General subpoenas Voting Machine companies in investigation of possible collusion.
ILLINOIS: Republicans ask for 20% recount after Sequoia machines fail in Cook County Primary Election; Democrat says he may file suit on behalf of both Republicans and Dems across state.
INDIANA: Sec. of State announces hearings, possible civil fines against ES&S.
MARYLAND: Republican Governor declares “no confidence” in paperless Diebold systems; Democratic-run House votes 137 to 0 to ban them.
NEW MEXICO: Voters file suit against state to decertify Sequoia machines; Legislation enacted outlawing paperless touch-screen systems.
NEW YORK: U.S. Dept. of Justice threatens state with lawsuit for HAVA non-compliance.
PENNSYLVANIA: Voters file suit against Allegheny County, PA and US Dept. of Justice in re: ES&S machines
TEXAS: Statewide Election Contest filed by Republican Supreme Court Justice after ES&S, Hart InterCivic machines failed across state in March 7th primary.”
http://www.bradblog.com (no relation to me)
CAN WE PLEASE START COVERING THE VOTE-FRAUD? Hearing about Bush’s -3,000% approval ratings would be great IF WE ACTUALLY HAD LEGAL ELECTIONS ANY MORE.
Bush Must Resign.
April 20th, 2006 at 4:45 pmJudging by the bulk of your arguments, my guess is you have a lot of recent experience with kindergarten – as a student.
April 20th, 2006 at 4:47 pmSure there’s a good option for Iraq and Iran: Follow the law, and ensure the US meets its obligations — something this Congress and Senate leadership refuses to do.
April 20th, 2006 at 4:49 pmAmerica……once a great leader in the world of nations. Now, under BushCo, is nothing more than two bit followers.
April 20th, 2006 at 5:08 pmNico, Limp Harry’s “A” list of those with aggree about no good military solution in Iran include:
Chuck Hagel – the Lincoln Chaffee of the West
Iranian Nobel laureate??? That’s like being impressed by a Pulitzer Prize
Richard Clarke – Book sales lagging, Dick??
John Murtha – an embarrassment for active duty military
Carnegie Endowment? why not invite the ford Foundation and KPBS to participate???
Not an impressive compilation….as usual….
April 20th, 2006 at 5:11 pm#105 Gregor,
You said,
But I am happy we could agree her name-calling was inappropriate, that she has no actual argument to make, and that you tacitly admitted you were wrong when you said nobody in this blog can be objective.
I don’t think her name calling was inappropriate, I think she has a valid point–the mainstream meadia never points out the inconsistancies of Democrat politicians–it’s great that she did, and I never admitted I was wrong.
It is nice to hear your admission that the left has been engaged in inappropriate smear tactics of Bush though. I still think you’re an asswipe, incapable of objectivity and acknowledgement of the truth.
April 20th, 2006 at 5:13 pm#79 – “Hey dumbass, Iran doesn’t have a dictator. He was elected.”
Comment by Spudge_Boy
Hey, spudge – I think that was the same thing old fashioned Nazi’s said about Adolph Hitler – that doen’t make you a “dumbass” does it??????
April 20th, 2006 at 5:16 pm#113
…and you either sound like a junior high school girl, or a flaming homosexual frolicing with his “companion”– I would guess the latter. Tell me… is it pronounced Brooss or Bruth?
April 20th, 2006 at 5:21 pmPLEASE SIGN THE PETITION here
and / or HERE
thank you
April 20th, 2006 at 5:21 pmMIGHTY HYPOCRITE…. old fashioned Nazi’s??? who might they be?
April 20th, 2006 at 5:23 pmYep, definitely kintergarten. Tell me, how were the first ten years?
April 20th, 2006 at 5:27 pmMIGHTY HYPOCRITE… i think if you stop the name calling and check the history books you will see that the Rovian tactics used by Bushco is chillingly similar to the ‘propaganda’ techniques used by the Nazi’s in Germany. then as now if you ‘dissented’ you were an enemy of the state and due for extermination.
April 20th, 2006 at 5:27 pmI still think you’re an asswipe, incapable of objectivity and acknowledgement of the truth.
Comment by Antagonist — April 20, 2006 @ 5:13 pm
Well, you have proven my point: You have no real argument and so you have to resort to name-calling. Not to mention you regurgitated my post to you.
So sad…
April 20th, 2006 at 5:29 pm“We don’t have the resources to do it†because of the ongoing war in Iraq,â€
To do what? If the objective is to take out out Iran’s nuclear facilities…no problem.
April 20th, 2006 at 5:31 pmI have to agree with the rude pundit on the issue of Michelle Malkin.
click here
http://www.rudepundit.blogspot.com/
This seems to me to be pretty SOP for the neo-cons. If someone says something they don’t like, do a few ad hominen attacks, and hope the base agrees. Before I get all the trolls yelling about me being a hypocrite and the dems do it too, I agree that the dems do engage in ad hominem attacks, however the republicans are far more brutal and vicious then the dems have ever been. Think of McCains “black love child”, Or the swift vets for “truth”.
The savagery from the savagery and hatred from the right has helped to destroy american politics since the inception of Rush Limbaugh and others of his type. When you read rantings from Ann Coulter and Michelled Malkin and the other right wing nutcases out there, you have to wonder WTF?
Anvilnoggin, mighty aphrodite, and IrightI are very good examples of what is wrong with political discourse.
April 20th, 2006 at 5:34 pm#115
Don’t tell me that you’re another one of those dumbasses that believe the trolls are on someone’s payroll. You liberals live in a vacuum–you actually believe that everyone thinks like you, when the majority doesn’t. So when someone like me pops in here occasionally–you find it inconceivable that we can actually disagree with you. Conspiracy theories and liberalism go hand in hand though–so I’m not suprised.
April 20th, 2006 at 5:34 pmBruce,
I don’t think we can expect mature responses from Antagonist.
(S)he es obviosly projecting his/her own homosexual insecurities, and inabiliy to process information objectively…
April 20th, 2006 at 5:35 pmTracy,
short of using nuclear bombs, we would have to put troops on the ground for and extended period of time to ensure Iran’s cooporation with the dismantling of their uranium enrichment program. Air power is a great thing, but it has limits. Hell even with using nuclear bombs we may not destroy all of the facilities.
April 20th, 2006 at 5:38 pmHey, BlockHead (anvilhead), I-Wrong-I and the rest of the Trolls,
April 20th, 2006 at 5:38 pmIf you think Iran poses an imminent nuclear threat by having enriched uranium you are delusional. They used about 180 cascading centrifuges to enrich uranium to less than 3% U-235. That is a threat if you are scared of glow in the dark watch faces. To enrich uranium for nuclear energy you need to get to 3-5%. For weapons grade you need 85%. This would require 50,000 centrifuges. Even at the rate of 100 per week it would take a decade to even be able to produce weapons grade uranium. If you can’t solve a problem diplomatically in 10 years, get the f**k out of politics.
The only reason the Neocons don’t want Iran to have nuclear energy is then they would be able to export all their oil and be entirely self reliant.
TRACY…. if you have a couple of bucks pick up the NEW YORKER and read Sydney Hersch’s account of the Iran juggernaut. Not as simple as throwing a bunch of bombs down! Russia has sold them the technology for deep bunker facilities. If you use a nuclear bomb to do that you will amalgamize the other Muslim states that have the bomb. Pakistan in particular is close by and already has the technology in place. Thanks to us.
April 20th, 2006 at 5:39 pmChrist the reichtwingnutz got off work and are now freaking out.
128 – you guys are too dumb for the RNC to be paying you. I mean, we thing they are corrupt. We don’t think they’re STUPID! They know the lies they parrot are lies. They don’t care about that, they just want to win elections, at ANY cost.
April 20th, 2006 at 5:41 pmGregor
Seriously, I think this guy has to be some sort of repeat-fail preschooler. I mean, crap accusing me of being gay isn’t indicative of him being gay, its indicative of him being stuck at that developmental stage where everything he disagrees with is gay.
April 20th, 2006 at 5:41 pmYou do realize that unlike Iraq, Iran has an Air Force. Not only that, but they have they latest and greatest planes, thanks to our government.
April 20th, 2006 at 5:42 pmNope, because I unlike you realize what happens when a leader is given too much power. You guys are the backers of Unitary Executive, not us. Hitler was elected, just like George W. Bush.
The point is that a dumbass called the President of Iran a dictator, which he is not.
Hitler was a fascist right winger. His election was funded in part by money coming from Prescott Bush.
Nice try, but just another backfire.
April 20th, 2006 at 5:46 pmThat would explain it.
April 20th, 2006 at 5:48 pmFrom what I understand what’s his name in Iran is doing about the same in the polls as Bush is here. It may be that in a couple of years he will be gone completly and a more moderate government might be in place.
April 20th, 2006 at 5:48 pmBruce,
I agree… I could not have it said better myself ;-)
Now, on topic:
There is speculation that military action against Iran would not aim at controlling the whole country, just the southern part that borders with Iraq and where most of the oildfields are (I cannot remember where I read it, I will have to look up the reference).
From that perspective, the US is still very well capable of launching an attack against Iran, under the guise of a “preemptive strike” -which is why they need to hype the “issue’ of the Uranium enrichment.
April 20th, 2006 at 5:49 pmIt’s interesting that the Left, which was so enamored of French foreign policy in Iraq, has chosen a deafening silience for its response to Jacque Chirac’s nuclear sabre reattling on Iran. Clearly, the U.S. is no the only nation engaging in nuclear warplanning with regard to Iran.
Maybe Dirty Harry Reid should get John French Kerry to talk to his buddy Chirac.
April 20th, 2006 at 5:49 pmThanks for your support.
April 20th, 2006 at 5:49 pmAbove: “they” means the Bush administration.
April 20th, 2006 at 5:49 pmSeriously, I think this guy has to be some sort of repeat-fail preschooler. I mean, crap accusing me of being gay isn’t indicative of him being gay, its indicative of him being stuck at that developmental stage where everything he disagrees with is gay.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — April 20, 2006 @ 5:41 pm
The kids in high school stop calling everything ‘gay’ around their junior year. By then, they out grow it. I think you’re on to something with that one.
April 20th, 2006 at 5:50 pm#125
Don’t try to assume some morally superior position Bruth– it doesn’t become you. You go into a state of denial and then tell me I have no argument. How stupid are you? How can you not see the point of Michelle Malkins article? Did not the Democrats criticize Bush for leading the way into Iraq and not relying on other countries enough? Are the Democrats now criticizing Bush for relying too heavily on other countries regarding Iran? The answer to both of those questions is yes. Can you not see in this example that it’s impossible to please the Democrats? You’re damned if you do or damned if you don’t. Of course you can’t see any of this because you’re incapable of objectivity.
April 20th, 2006 at 5:53 pmIRI…. if that is the case then maybe 9/11 was our lesson for allowing Goober to steal the election.
Comment by meg_mac
There is no doubt that Muslim headchoppers the world over were pulling for Jane Kerry.
April 20th, 2006 at 5:57 pm#131
Have you forgotten that the Iranian president wants to wipe Israel off the map? Have you forgotten that the U.S. isn’t the only county concerned about Irans nuclear capabilities?
April 20th, 2006 at 5:58 pmAntogonist,
you are making the assumption that Michelles Malkin’s “column” (if by column you mean vile spewings of a hate monger) actually had a point. It seems to me her “column” was more the typical neo-con spin.
damn I need to link the sneaker pimps song spin spin sugar to this thread
April 20th, 2006 at 5:59 pmhere is a question:
April 20th, 2006 at 6:02 pmWhy are we allowing Isreal to determine US foriegn policy?
BLUE STATE RED…. i dont recall the left being enamoured of the French foreign policy in Iraq? can you post some examples? Please explain?
just wondering?
ANTAGONIST…. I think the dems complained because Bush lied to us and the world about WMD. The abscence of his involvement re Iran looks chillingly like Iraq!
April 20th, 2006 at 6:07 pmReid isn’t “swaggeringâ€
Not surprising. He’s got nothing to “swagger” with.
April 20th, 2006 at 6:08 pmIRI… well its a sad comment when they know whats best for us huh?
April 20th, 2006 at 6:10 pmBLUE STATE RED… unlike Dick Cheney who has a shot gun to ’swagger’ around with!
April 20th, 2006 at 6:12 pmhere is a question:
Why are we allowing Isreal to determine US foriegn policy?
Comment by Krazny — April 20, 2006 @ 6:02 pm
Because we’re a theocracy that puts religious beliefs ahead of our own safety.
Switzerland had a pretty brilliant concept with their position of neutrality. Makes you wish that Thomas Jefferson had come up with it first.
April 20th, 2006 at 6:13 pm#134
Bruce Bruce Bruce… You started in with me with your lame comments in #113 about kindergarten experience as a student. Remember? I know you were trying to be clever, but your comments were what I’d expect from a dork–someone who can’t pick up on social ques. You actually reminded me of Democrat Soldier who posts here regularly, and if I remember correctly, he said he was gay. His insults are usually lame, and always miss the mark. I was only teasing you about being gay… I don’t really think you are.
April 20th, 2006 at 6:16 pmI don’t think that WWII would have been a good time for us to be neutral. However Bush has so failed to execute a comprehensive and effective war on the terrorist thugs that attacked us, that we may fail, because of his actions.
April 20th, 2006 at 6:16 pm#125
Don’t try to assume some morally superior position Bruth– it doesn’t become you.
Comment by Antagonist — April 20, 2006 @ 5:53 pm
Since post #125 is mine, I think you meant “Gregor” -who is “Bruth”? And I think you meant “intellectually”; I didn’t even had to try. You lost by default.
Given your posts, you are not the best to judge what becomes me.
You go into a state of denial and then tell me I have no argument. How stupid are you?
Look in the mirror. Ask the question again. Repeat.
How can you not see the point of Michelle Malkins article?
She loses when she resorts to name-calling. You lost a few posts ago.
Did not the Democrats criticize Bush for leading the way into Iraq and not relying on other countries enough? Are the Democrats now criticizing Bush for relying too heavily on other countries regarding Iran? The answer to both of those questions is yes.
Pres Bush was criticised for not taking leadership to build concensus with traditional allies. The same is happening now. With Iraq alies were ignored, with Iran the US is simply sitting on the sidelines.
Of course you can’t see any of this because you’re incapable of objectivity.
Rich coming from someone who thinks calling a US senator a “bed-wetter” is more than appropriate.
April 20th, 2006 at 6:16 pm#149
Have you forgotten that we stand by our allies? We would even stand by France in a similar situation–even though they don”t deserve it.
April 20th, 2006 at 6:19 pmSpudge – Iran has our old planes, F-16’s mostly but with older electronics (70’s). Now I can’t say what they’ve bought on the world market in the last 25 years.
Iran isn’t invadable because the US doesn’t have ENOUGH army. Jesus reichties, look it up in Wikipedia. Iran is much bigger than Iraq, has 4 times the population, has a real army & has LOTS and LOTS of BIG mountains! It’s the mountains that’ll stop a tank blitzkrieg, and its the size that’d stop an army. They have facilities dug into hard rock mountains. Even if we used the nuclear “bunker busters”, they only penetrate 75 meters, so what do you all think?
You ain’t army, you ain’t air force. You’re just a bunch of idiot trolls trying to creep out the liberals. It’s working. You’re lil creeps. Now go goosestep down to your local Klan gathering and tell them all the fun you’ve had here today….
April 20th, 2006 at 6:21 pmANTAGONIST… i agree we should stand by our allies. but we are losing them faster than you can blink an eye so maybe we should rethink this stupid preemptive foreign policy that the neo-cons have foisted upon us!
April 20th, 2006 at 6:24 pm“Bedwetting” ?!?
Michelle Malkin really is the cheap little ho-bag mouth we all thought she was.
April 20th, 2006 at 6:25 pm“if that is the case then maybe 9/11 was our lesson for allowing Goober to steal the election.” – Comment by meg_mooch
****Dear megMooch – for the 100th time (I realize facts penetrating your cranium is something novel) but go back and see how EVERY re-count of FLORIDA came out. You wouldn’t look like such a Gooberette if you didn’t author such ignorant posts.
#136 – “The point is that a dumbass called the President of Iran a dictator, which he is not.” comment by Sponge_Boy
*****So Hitler was NOT a Dictator?? Your post was not very concrete. Try publicly disagreeing with the Iranian “president” or the mullahs, Spongey.
#141 – Gore/Feingold would be great in ‘08 – BUT Feingold/Hillary could be lots of FUN.
April 20th, 2006 at 6:25 pm#157
And what have you and your liberal pals been calling the President of the United States for years? How about the Vice President? How about the Secretary of State? How About Republican Senators? The list could go on and on. Your hypocrisy is astounding!
April 20th, 2006 at 6:27 pmi dont recall the left being enamoured of the French foreign policy in Iraq?
Your ignorance of recent events is truly astonishing.
Even before the war in Iraq began, the Left was pleqading for the Bush administration to adopt a policy of continued “containment” to give sanctions and diplomacy more time to work. At the time the chief international proponent of that view was French Foreign Ministewr (now Prime Minister) Dominique d’Villepin. Of course, we now know that the French were hopelessly compromised by the Oil-for-Food scandal. But that has never mattered to the Left, then or now.
After the war began the Left attacked Bush for his so-called “unilateralism,” despite the fact that dozens of countries were part of our “coalition of the willing” (you know, the countries Kerry described as the “coalition of the bribed and coerced”). One of the most prominent nations that excluded itself from the coalition forces was France.
Then, during the 2004 election, there was John Kerry’s famous “global test” for American military action. Again, one of the most prominent proponents of this viewpoint was France.
The Left never has said one critical word about all this French hypocrisy. Now, Chirac is in a tough re-election fight, so he wants to show how tough he is. He is ssaying mor belligerent things that President Bush, but the Left won’t say a single critical word about that. Being French means never having to say your sorry!
April 20th, 2006 at 6:27 pm#160
Who have we lost?
April 20th, 2006 at 6:29 pmI think the Bush strategy is to get Britain, France and Germany on board for a possible attack on Iran by first engaging them at the forefront of conventional diplomacy. If the diplomacy fails, its their failure; then they’re faced with the decision to take the blame and let Bush attack or take the next step and join a military coalition against Iran.
April 20th, 2006 at 6:33 pm#166
Still beating that drum? Try saying something original or meaningful for a change. Maybe someone else will talk to you besides me.
April 20th, 2006 at 6:34 pmI don’t think that WWII would have been a good time for us to be neutral. However Bush has so failed to execute a comprehensive and effective war on the terrorist thugs that attacked us, that we may fail, because of his actions.
Comment by Krazny — April 20, 2006 @ 6:16 pm
There are always expections – but they should be exceptonal and not the norm. Everyone should have their boundaries, or you just become a doormat.
If our legal system believes that you shouldn’t attack until attacked first, then why doesn’t our current international policy?
April 20th, 2006 at 6:35 pmAntagonist
Right; first off what the left was saying about Iraq.
“Do we have to do it? Is it neccessary? Can we get some coroberation? Do we really want to piss off the rest of the world? Surely there are more important things we need to worry about then some pissant dictator in the Middle East, who seems more enamoured with his own reflection then with any holy books?”
What the Left is saying about Iran
“Do we have to do it? Is it neccessary? Can we get some coroberation? Do we really want to piss off the rest of the world? Surely there are more important things we need to worry about then some pissant dictator in the Middle East, who seems more enamoured with his own reflection then with any holy books? Can we trust the president enough to tell us the truth, knowing that he lied to us over Iraq?”
Personally, I think Iran is a shitstorm waiting to happen. I think its leader is every bit the dumbass I think GW is, I think it is trying to get nuclear weapons, I think it is developing its own WMDs, and I think it does support terrorism. I also think that America right now owes way too much money to China to pull off an invasion in Iran (which supplies 50% of China’s oil) without destroying its own economy, and that Iran will, if it happens, lead to a unified middle east against America.
The time is wrong. If Bush was talking about invading Iran and Iraq had never happened, then this situation would be different, but the fact is that right now, the military option is likely to lead to disaster.
April 20th, 2006 at 6:35 pmBLUE STATE RED… I’m sorry. So because the left was urging the president to go slow and let inspections and let diplomacy work that means the left was somehow complicit with France?? Boy thats a pretty broad brush you are using. and can you please state your thoughts or position without first flinging and insult? It doesnt make your point any stronger and diminishes your thoughts. Dozens of countries?? HA! i think you are stretching to the point of breaking! like i said. im sure glad you live in a blue state.
April 20th, 2006 at 6:37 pm#157
And what have you and your liberal pals been calling the President of the United States for years?
Comment by Antagonist — April 20, 2006 @ 6:27 pm
Since post #157 is mine (and although I am not “Bruth”) I will respond.
I have never called Pres Bush a “bed-wetter”, or otherwise questioned his control over his own bodily functions.
How about the Vice President?
Ditto.
How about the Secretary of State? How About Republican Senators? The list could go on and on.
Ditto, ditto -I could go on too…
Your hypocrisy is astounding!
Look in the mirror. Say that outloud. Repeat.
April 20th, 2006 at 6:37 pmwingnuts here (mighty tripey, anilingushead, tundrat, dog-on-mantagonist, BSred, et al):
i can’t figure out if it’s hilarious in a macabre way or just extremely sad that you continue to blindly defend the hopeless actions of this administration and congress. what does another war get us — “security” or:
a) the threat of endless war and hezbollah terrorism in europe and america for the next 3-5 decades?
b) another round of borrowing by a so-called “conservative president who has already OUT-BORROWED EVERY PRIOR PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY — COMBINED? (that’s right- presidents 1-42 borrowed $1.01 trillion collectively in just over 200 years…president 43 has borrowed $1.05 trillion in just over 5 years! it’s a worn out phrase, but i’d call that one ‘heckuva job’!)
c) the threat that, if we do use those tactical nukes, we will officially be a pariah nation in the world, not even able to claim the British as our allies?
d) oil prices over $100/barrel, gas prices over $5/gallon, an instant recession (or worse, depression if china decides to divest in our bonds), and the collapse of the dollar?
e) all of the above.
you hate liberals so much you want this to happen just out of spite. you’re so afraid of being wrong you can’t even consider the possibility, to the extent that it’s turned you into radicals. i hate radicals who, by definition, are so ideological they can’t see the mistakes of ideology. so be it. i hope, if this current plan stays its course and inevitably fails, you can all do the honorable thing and finally either:
a) admit you’re wrong
or
b) have a nice face-to-face conversation with the barrel of your own american gun!
because what you advocate is truly treasonous; it’s the end of america.
April 20th, 2006 at 6:43 pm#170
Look Bruce,
No one wants to go to war–it’s always the last resort. You’re operating on the premise that George Bush is going to recklessly take us into another conflict. I know you probably believe that Bush lied abot WMD’s to take us into Iraq, but I don’t believe that. I believe he had the same intelligence that everyone else did–and if you remember we went into Iraq with a coalition force–not recklessly and not alone. In spite of all the partison politics, I have faith in our government. If it is truly wrong for us to engage Iraq in any kind of conflict, then congress won’t fund it. There’s enough checks and balances in our system to prevent reckless actions. If we do enter into an Iranian conflict, then you can rest assured that the decision was based on more information than you and I are privy to.
April 20th, 2006 at 6:51 pmdog-on-mantagonist:
we haven’t had “checks and balances” for 5 years! that’s such a farce. you’re willing to believe just about anything.
and btw, if you don’t believe the president (or the rest of the administration) would lie about intelligence, why did they continue to assert for almost a year after it had been disproved that the mobile labs found in iraq were for making wmd’s, when that was very assertively debunked?
is it:
a) because you’re a blind partisan loyalist?
or
b) because you hate liberals so much that every day for the rest of american history is going to be, in effect, “opposite day”, regardless of fact?
April 20th, 2006 at 6:57 pm#173
Then why don’t you chastise your liberal pals for their name-calling of the Bush administration? Oh I know—because you agree with them! Only when a Democrat senator gets called a name do you say something. Your double standards and your hypocrisy are obvious.
April 20th, 2006 at 6:57 pm#174
Thanks for the postcard from the edge…
April 20th, 2006 at 6:59 pmDEAR NRC;
PLEASE SEND US SOMEONE WHO CAN THINK???
REGARDS
April 20th, 2006 at 7:02 pm#177
Apparently you believe your own propaganda.
April 20th, 2006 at 7:02 pmGo to war without France – bad.
Have France take part in talks wit Iran – bad.
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. Good job guys.
April 20th, 2006 at 7:04 pmGiven that Bush’s popularity is sinking like a rock, I think your going to find yourself on the edge Antagonist. I too would like to believe that our government has our best interests at heart, and are working to help and protect the citizenry of the US. However the last 5 years have not show that to be true. You can claim until you are blue in the face that Bush had the same intelligence, etc, but why were the British told the exact date the war in Iraq would start? why was a special department set up to oversee the CIA, and intelligence reports concerning iraq, were “sexed” up to make Saddam appear to be an iminent threat?
Too many holes to try to fill in. Too many lies told, too much money spent, too many soldiers dead.
April 20th, 2006 at 7:05 pmKrazny
Well said.
April 20th, 2006 at 7:09 pmThen why don’t you chastise your liberal pals for their name-calling of the Bush administration? Oh I know—because you agree with them!
Comment by Antagonist — April 20, 2006 @ 6:57 pm
Logical fallacy: I don’t have to chastise with anyone even when I disagree.
And you remember things a little differently: I didn’t “chastise” Malkin. I said her use of potty-talk when referring to a US senator was inappropriate, and that her choosing to insult means she has no argument. Are you so insecure that even a mild criticism amounts to chastising to you?
Only when a Democrat senator gets called a name do you say something.
When a political commentator calls Pres Bush a “bed-wetter” I will say also say it is inappropriate, regardless of their political leanings.
Your double standards and your hypocrisy are obvious.
Your inability to string logical thought is painfully obvious. Not to mention your fondness for strawman arguments, and schoolyard name-calling.
April 20th, 2006 at 7:11 pm#180
…And I suppose your mindless Bush-bashing is considered thinking?
April 20th, 2006 at 7:11 pmPlaying Monday morning quarterback with every single policy is considered thinking? Acting like you have all the answers because you blindly accept what Harry Reid and the obstruct and oppose Democrats have to say is considered thinking? Believing every single negative thing every reporter has to say about Bush is considered thinking? Failing to acknowledge the successes in Iraq and in our own economy is considered thinking? WTF?
#186
Your comments were directed to me asshole, not Michelle Malkin. You derided me for agreeing with her. Are you some kind of ADHD poster child? Can’t remember what you said? Your comments are incoherent.
April 20th, 2006 at 7:17 pmANTAGONIST…. i think if you read my posts i’m pretty non-bashing. and after the fact there is not alot any of us can do but look at the results. the results being a huge mess in Iraq, most americans think the economy is bad ( quoting your own FAUX NEWS poll) world standing sub-zero,environment suffering,no one can afford health care,exxon report billion dollars surplus, and educational testing of children show scores that reveal we are not even comparable to the poorest of european countries! i think i just dont watch Faux News and then turn to watch American Idol. i read!! TV off! try it you might like it!
April 20th, 2006 at 7:22 pmCan’t remember what you said? Your comments are incoherent.
Comment by Antagonist — April 20, 2006 @ 7:17 pm
I didn’t chastise or deride you for disagreeing with me either -I pointed out your immaturity after you started insulting me.
Your passive-aggressive pathetic posts only highlight your lack of substance, and utter incoherence.
April 20th, 2006 at 7:24 pmPut down the romance novels meg, and look around. Our economy is booming! Our children are screwed up because of liberalism. The destruction of the family has taken a toll on our kids and you want to blame Bush.
April 20th, 2006 at 7:27 pm#191
See ya Gregor… I gotta go. Lots to do! I’ll pop in again some time in another thread.
April 20th, 2006 at 7:30 pmcan you please state your thoughts or position without first flinging and insult?
I’m sorry, you’re right. Ronald Reagan had the right idea: “The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they’re ignorant. It’s that they know so much that isn’t so.”
Have a nice day.
April 20th, 2006 at 7:33 pmGood, let the French handle it.
April 20th, 2006 at 7:36 pmdog-on-mantagonist (#187):
“Failing to acknowledge the successes in … our own economy is considered thinking?”
ok, let’s acknowledge the successes in our own economy:
1) Job growth over the last five years is the weakest on record. The US economy came up more than 7 million jobs short of keeping up with population growth.
2)Over the past five years the US economy experienced a net job loss in goods-producing activities. The entire job growth was in service-providing activities–primarily credit intermediation, health care and social assistance, waiters, waitresses and bartenders, and state and local government.
3) US manufacturing lost 2.9 million jobs, almost 17% of the manufacturing work force. The wipeout is across the board. Not a single manufacturing payroll classification created a single new job.
4) Communications equipment lost 43% of its workforce. Semiconductors and electronic components lost 37% of its workforce. The workforce in computers and electronic products declined 30%. Electrical equipment and appliances lost 25% of its employees. The workforce in motor vehicles and parts declined 12%. Furniture and related products lost 17% of its jobs. Apparel manufacturers lost almost half of the work force. Employment in textile mills declined 43%. Paper and paper products lost one-fifth of its jobs. The work force in plastics and rubber products declined by 15%. Even manufacturers of beverages and tobacco products experienced a 7% shrinkage in jobs.
5) The knowledge jobs that were supposed to take the place of lost manufacturing jobs in the globalized “new economy†never appeared. The information sector lost 17% of its jobs, with the telecommunications work force declining by 25%. Even wholesale and retail trade lost jobs. Despite massive new accounting burdens imposed by Sarbanes-Oxley, accounting and bookkeeping employment shrank by 4%. Computer systems design and related lost 9% of its jobs. Today there are 209,000 fewer managerial and supervisory jobs than 5 years ago.
these numbers are from the bureau of labor statistics…and there’s more accolades for bush’s impressive economic policies from Paul Craig Roberts, who was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration.
It’s all here:
http://baltimorechronicle.com/2006/021306Roberts.shtml
so, yea, whatever. you’re obviously an expert.
April 20th, 2006 at 7:40 pmWe don’t care about disagreement, it is the baseless insults we can do without.
April 20th, 2006 at 7:40 pmIsn’t it ineresting that both left at almost the same time? Maybe there is a Klan meeting.
April 20th, 2006 at 7:43 pmI gotta go. Lots to do! I’ll pop in again some time in another thread.
Comment by Antagonist — April 20, 2006 @ 7:30 pm
Please take your time….
April 20th, 2006 at 7:45 pm174
(mighty tripey, anilingushead, tundrat, dog-on-mantagonist, BSred, et al):
i can’t figure out if it’s hilarious in a macabre way or just extremely sad that you continue to blindly defend the hopeless actions of this administration and congress.
Does asking
Is that the official Democratic position? The U.S should be taking the lead in dealing with Iran?
Make me a wingbat?
Because you are too lazy (or is it blind) to research anything you think I love bush? I have been on record here saying what a chowderhead he is on numerous occasions. I was simply taking someone on here’s advice and asking a question when I didn’t understand the Democratic position.
extent that it’s turned you into radicals. i hate radicals
Lol, yeah OK.
Also find a post where I ever said bomb Iran, You will find ones that say the hell with them who cares or let someone else deal with it. You won’t find one that says to do a darn thing (But I’m the radical!).
b) have a nice face-to-face conversation with the barrel of your own american gun!
April 20th, 2006 at 7:45 pmAnd I am the radical here, suggesting your political opponents commit suicide, Good point (Which I don’t qualify as a political opponent to the left anyway)!
BLUE STATE RED….. i know you ran away but i will respond any way.
April 20th, 2006 at 7:51 pmi know a lot that IS so. but i have been telling you this and you wont listen. have a wonderful evening watching the boob-tube!
Wrong again!
Going to war in Iraq bad. The French saw that.
April 20th, 2006 at 7:56 pmSpudge_Boy: Good, let the French handle it.
Ehm, isn’t that exactly what Reid and Think Progress was deriding the Bush administration for doing? Man you guys can’t keep your message consistent for 2 seconds.
April 20th, 2006 at 7:59 pmSpudge: Wrong again!
Going to war in Iraq bad. The French saw that.
Eh, but according to Kerry, it was that we didn’t go with our allies to Iraq that was wrong. You guys are sending mixed messages. Get together and figure it out and then come back. Or else that whole “go it alone” jibberjabber doesn’t fly anymore. Decide, OK?
April 20th, 2006 at 8:01 pmHaha. Spudge, you are such a dodger.
Bush has been handling Iran diplomatically for years now, mostly by having the Europeans help him do it. Yet you and Reid and Think Progress attack him for… doing that! I mean, huh? Bush cooperates with France diplomatically on Iran – bad. Bush doesn’t cooperate with France on Iraq – bad. Huh???
Tell me, is there ever a time where Bush could do the right thing?
The French didn’t think Iraq should be invaded because they were up to their eyeballs in corruption from Daddy Hussein. This was also the entire reason why Kerry’s incessant “go it alone” jibberjabber was a bunch of complete BS. As you attest here, France never would have taken out Saddam Hussein, no matter what. Thus, Kerry attacking Bush for not bringing France aboard was a complete sham of an argument. I’m glad you finally agree to that, even though you dodge actually saying that.
Of course, you are stuck on the media frenzy about their being war planning for Iran, taking it to mean that were are seconds away from bombing Iran. Yeah, that’s what they were saying back about a year ago too. Didn’t happen.
I can read alright, I can read that you are leap-frogging like a hypocritical psychopath between inconsistent positions due feed your BDS.
Let’s face it, you “progressives” would be against anything Bush does, no matter what it is, no matter if you’d agreed to it in the past, no matter if it was the right thing to do, no matter if you’d had agreed had someone else said it. That’s your fundamental problem, and you need to get a cure for that BDS.
April 20th, 2006 at 8:12 pmSpudge_Boy, please. Look at the thread. Harry Reid. A Democratic leader. You say you don’t worship them, but Think Progress did exactly that in this post. Your lies are so transparent I can walk right through them. It’s not like Kerry was the only one saying it, either. I am pretty sure you have said the same exact thing at some point. It was on the lips of every anti-Bush person. Just like all the other talking points sites like Think Progress churn out like cheap butter.
April 20th, 2006 at 8:15 pmHas anyone read the article by Sydney Hersh in the New Yorker? concise and to the point. no crap! facts and quotes! please people lets talk not spew!
April 20th, 2006 at 8:18 pmSEIXON… just out of curiosity is this the only site you visit? it must be really frustrating to have to defend Bushco when you know in your heart he is not the president we need. i mean come on he has failed in business and now he is failng in government. but he will be gone soon and it will be up to us all to pick up the pieces and go on. I’m up for it are you?
April 20th, 2006 at 8:24 pmAlso find a post where I ever said bomb Iran,
Comment by Tundra — April 20, 2006 @ 7:45 pm
Does this one count? ; )
April 20th, 2006 at 8:28 pm212
Curses foiled again :)
*Shakes fist at Unbelievable*
April 20th, 2006 at 8:30 pmUNBELIEVABLE…. Girl where the hell were you when i needed you!!?? nice to see you! :)
April 20th, 2006 at 8:31 pmDo I work for Think Progress? Did I post this thread? Let’s check and see…..
Nope, somebody named NICO did.
Once again, I don’t like John Kerry, so everytime you mention his name, I don’t care what comes after it.
Here is why.
BECAUSE I DON’T THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE INVADED IRAQ WITH OR WITHOUT OR GOD DAMN ALLIES.
April 20th, 2006 at 8:33 pmI’m up for it are you?
Comment by meg_mac — April 20, 2006 @ 8:24 pm
He disappears when the debate really gets going. Don’t expect him to finish. He still owes me several responses I know I’ll never get.
Honestly, I don’t think there are any heavy conservatives who are capable of the kind of debate we want. Tundra and Squeegie are Right of Center. Not what I consider real opposition, though they’ve certainly been a refreshing change from some of the standard trolls like Mighty Medusa and the creepy guy typing in all CAPS. Most of the times the best debates on here have been between two Progressives with opposing views on something like gun control or economics. It’s all about intelligent debate without the petty insults or personal attacks.
April 20th, 2006 at 8:36 pm216
BECAUSE I DON’T THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE INVADED IRAQ WITH OR WITHOUT OR GOD DAMN ALLIES.
Quit sugar coating it Spudge, tell us what you really think :)
April 20th, 2006 at 8:36 pm*Shakes fist at Unbelievable*
Comment by Tundra — April 20, 2006 @ 8:30 pm
Shouldn’t you be picking flowers with both hands now? ;)
April 20th, 2006 at 8:38 pmGirl where the hell were you when i needed you!!??
She was shopping for vases
April 20th, 2006 at 8:40 pmUNBELIEVABLE…. Girl where the hell were you when i needed you!!?? nice to see you! :)
Comment by meg_mac — April 20, 2006 @ 8:31 pm
Tundra was flirting with me in another forum. Certainly I couldn’t leave him hanging could I?
But incase I drop off, it’s the result of the thunderstorms heading this way… My male cat has already been hiding in the closet for the last hour.
Besides, you don’t need me. You can beat these trolls down ten at a time. :)
April 20th, 2006 at 8:42 pm#55-AnvilHead–why is it you’re content to be the anvil, not the hammer? Wish to avoid the unfortunate association with Tom DeLay’s misconceived moniker (by the way, isn’t DeLay a gay Frenchy name?). Since when is it anti-Amer-ah-cun to stand up to the thuggish administration that’s driving us into the ground?
#56- ‘Blue State Red’: Wake up, cannon-fodder-for-brains. If conservatives are so busy protecting this country, how is it they managed to so badly bungle emergency management when a hurricane leveled an entire city. If conservatives to have the moral rectitude to run this country according to the religous principles so many of them spout on demand, why all the corruption scandals swirling around BushCorp, House of RepsCorp, SenateCorp and the SupremeCorp? How is it there came to be the organized crime ties to so many prominent Reptuglican funders and politicians? What about the increasingly well-documented and massive GOP-perpetrated voter frauds of 2000, 2002, 2004? Let’s throw in the two oil wars based on fabrications, lies, and deception. Perhaps also add the fact that virtually every White House staffer has either perjured him/herself, is under investigation, or will be found to have committed some variation of impeachable “high crimes and misdemeanors”?
#118 and #120–’Ant-agonist’: it’s “inconsistEncies”, not “inconsistAncies”; and you spell “frolicking” with a “ck”, you unschooled hoCKey puCK.
#119–’mighty’, the spelling is “Nazis”, not “Nazi’s”. Go back to middle school English class and review the grammer rules about “plurals” versus “possessive forms”.
To Antagonist, mighty aphrodite, Blue State Red, Anvil: you all display elements of the classic symptoms of every hyper-narcissistic failure who litter their posts with hit & run troll-flames against other posters. That you vastly overestimate yourselves, as many unsteady and under-nurtured egos do. Cloaking your rhetorical knifing of others’ comments as intellectual ‘thrust-and-parry’ does not disguise your pathetic need to elevate your status at the expense of others. If you actually had something of value to pass on from within your rather hollow psyches, it would be evident to the rest of us by now. You would have presented reasoned, thoughtful and civil debating points as you contested the points of view with which you disagree. Ah, well, adults arrested in pre-adolescent mental development often display these sorts of playground bullying tactics. It’s not a debate you want, you’ve come for the opportunistic smack-down. You’re intolerant people, which makes you insufferable buffoons, at least in the personas you display here, and ought to consider for a moment, the intra-psychic blowback your calculated mistreatment of others will produce–too late–already has produced, in your characters. Are you at all aware what personal feature it is that most clearly characterizes the misshapen, deeply dysfunctional, cartoonish personalities of Michelle Malfunktion, Sean Inanity, Reich Limbaugh, Anne Ghoulter, Shill O’Really, and the execrable neo-con ingrates they defend??? C’mon, it should be obvious; after all, your behavior typifies theirs. Oh, good, you figured it out. Yep, they project their self-loathing onto others, preferably safe targets they believe they can dominate, hoping that while gratifying their incessant need for attention from ANYONE, they will also buy temporary relief of the never-ending pressure they feel to explode in a psychotic rage against everyone and everything around them. Creatures such as yourselves, when not posturing as erudite thinkers who betray their fundamental ignorance with every uttered word, slink around threads like this one, spitting raw sewage at others as they spread their hate. Ah, but you perform a vital function in this society. You are the ones keeping Big Pharma busy and profitable; you shill mindlessly for miscreants like Bush/
Cheney/Rove/Gingrich; you consume media like Fox Sleeze; you filter the pollutants the rest of us would otherwise ingest as you huff and puff your way through the power structure’s hall of mirrors within which you contentedly conduct treadmill lives. Unless, of course, you go off your meds, or wander away from the GOP Good Citizen of Stepford Talking Points. Say, if you want to appear, um, intelligent, here’s a debating tip: ask questions that invite constructive responses, and engage your opponents in dialogue that forces them to reason through their arguments. That would build your reputations as posters with personal integrity (in low supply among neo-cons, I know) who prefer to elevate these conversations into an honest sharing of opinons, rather than seizing on the openings others provide to shellack them. Of course, this is “crazy talk”. Too much of that and we’ll end up with–gasp–a democracy. Now, how about doing the very tolerant progressives on this site a favor and choosing one of the following courses of action. 1) Take yourselves back to the pseudo-intellectual, unformed, loose-brained, mouth-
breathing, neo-Reptuglican babble-fests you usually frequent, and leaving peaceful, considered discourse to the grown-ups–you can frog-march/strut/preen all you want to once you get there. 2) Remember where it was you left your meds and take the pills the nice doctor has prescribed you, so that you can be self-regulated once more. Or, for God’s sake, KEEP the electro-shock therapy appointment–it’s clear you’re already culturally lobotomized, perhaps E.S. will enhance the result in some attractive ways. 3) Humbly admit that you’re as human as those you attack, and in your own unique ways fallible, suggestible, stressed out, overwhelmed, frightened, anxious, out-of-control (ok, you can do this in the safe confines of your own bathrooms). This third way might even redeem you, if not to the folks here, perhaps on your own terms. 4) bite reality–with all the egregious crap the US neo-fascists in the political, military and corporate worlds and their puppetmasters have pulled over the past 60+ years, current political, social and military trends are running you like a dogs in heat. But what really entertains the rest of us is that so many of you are completely oblivious to the fact there’s not a damn thing you can do to control the direction or speed of your train as it hurtles off the rim of your worst paranoid fantasies, whatever your “will-to-power” imperatives.
By the way, if Bush-brand conservatism is so attractive, why is the authentically and staunchly conservative “Harper’s Magazine” on the record as calling for BushCorp’s impeachment and removal from office?
And stop slinging around your soiled diapers while you rave at the rest of us–makes you look like unwashed toddlers. C’mon, overstimulated chimpanzees have more dignity.
Finally, proof your world-view is imploding: http://www.surveyusa.com/50State2006/06041850StatePOTUSNet.html
April 20th, 2006 at 8:44 pmI wish we could have more conservatives like Tundra.
April 20th, 2006 at 8:46 pmUNBELIEVABLE…. well i’m not surprised as Mighty Hypocrite and Blue State Red both owe me reply’s. I just have so much damn fun here!!
April 20th, 2006 at 8:47 pmBRING IT ON!! nothing like putting down a rightie to get the blood pumping! i saw Gary Trudeau (Doonesbury) on Charlie Rose. He was describing Goober at Yale (they were there at the same time). Bush was the kind of guy who laughed AT people not WITH them. If someone had an infirmity or a tic or something Goober would make them the butt of the joke. it sounds so much like the righties that come here. it really astounds me.
She was shopping for vases
Comment by Tundra — April 20, 2006 @ 8:40 pm
How many you think I need? Should a case of 50 be enough? ;)
Okay, serious question… :) Visual person that I am, I have this image of Squeegie. About 5′8″, 140 pounds, dresses like he’s still in college with the backwards ball cap and polo shirts, late twenties, constantly in motion, a little bit of a geek, but is bestfriends with all the women. Am I close?
April 20th, 2006 at 8:48 pmC’mon, overstimulated chimpanzees have more dignity.
Comment by EagleFury — April 20, 2006 @ 8:43 pm
Wow… You pegged those folks. Of course they’ll sling their feces at you now…
April 20th, 2006 at 8:51 pmtundra,
it’s nice that you selectively quote me, especially my ending comment, in order to try to illustrate your points. please continue to use comments out of context as long as it suits your message.
synopsis:
1) i did, in fact, say, “you continue to blindly defend the hopeless actions of this administration and congress” i did NOT say, “you love bush” — the difference would be the partisanship angle, not the bushophile angle.
2) as to what “the official democratic position” is, i don’t know. i’m not a democrat. until fairly recently i was a card-carrying member of the libertarian party. that is, until they became the ‘frustrated republican’ party (as to the reason for that, see the first letter b in post 174). what i do know is that for 8 years while clinton (for whom i never voted) was president, the far right wing smeared, complained, lied, griped, exaggerated, whined and bullied their way to heights of partisanship that i had never experienced in my lifetime. and furthermore they decided unilaterally that certain americans — liberals, gays, and many non-christians, for instance — were “bad” americans that didn’t belong and were fair game for demonization. i’m simply a person who can easily recognize that the balance of power has now tilted WAY too far to the right and that the situation needs to be rectified. thus, i will be voting democratic for the first time in my life in the ‘06 and ‘08 elections. hopefully after that things will re-center and i can return to voting for the third party of my choice.
3) rather than “suggesting my political opponents commit suicide” as you suggest, i did offer an alternative: admit you’re wrong, and only in the event that we launch yet another ill-conceived war on trumped-up and devious reasoning and suffer the consequences i enumerated previously (which are entirely plausible). you missed the entire point of my comment. my complaint isn’t against “political opponents”. I have no political opponents. i do, however, have ideological opponents. fundamentalist christians would qualify, as would fundamentalist muslims. heck, fundamentalist anythings will pretty much draw my ire. and the other ideological opponents i have are blind partisans.
the point of my comments is that i want moderation. i DO NOT want the country lead by a runaway right wing (as it is now) or a runaway left wing.
if your point was that you didn’t want to be lumped in with the other whackjobs like i-r-i, mighty tripey, dog-on-mantagonist, tracy, etc, you could’ve just said ‘hey, don’t include me in that list of freaks, i’m not one of them’. and if you aren’t, i apologize. but i do tend to notice that the overall tone of your posts is defensive of republicans (or more to the point, trying to reinforce the notion that “liberal” is a bad word).
funny how you didn’t have any comments as to the rest of what i said in that post. you only extrapolated what you thought made me look like..oh, what’s that word? oh yeah: a moonbat. that, sir, is a fairly partisan tactic.
April 20th, 2006 at 8:54 pmBush was the kind of guy who laughed AT people not WITH them. If someone had an infirmity or a tic or something Goober would make them the butt of the joke. it sounds so much like the righties that come here. it really astounds me.
Comment by meg_mac — April 20, 2006 @ 8:47 pm
Sounds like the same guy… laugh at the expense of others. Yet they are the first ones to whine like school children if it is done to them. People with low self-esteem really shouldn’t be running countries.
Yeah, I know what you mean, I’m pretty addicted to this place too. I think it’s because, aside from the majority of the trolls, where else do you find this kind of intellectual company? I go out of my way to read anything Gregor posts. The guy is brilliant. Like having our own resident Noam Chomsky.
And, well, at least those of us here understand that battles are better waged with words than weapons. Makes me hopeful that perhaps we can find leaders to do the same. And maybe all this turmoil going on now is waking some folks up to the urgency of being involved in politics. I don’t know. I guess we will see.
April 20th, 2006 at 8:58 pmOkay, serious question… :) Visual person that I am, I have this image of Squeegie. About 5′8″,(rgr) 140 pounds (A few extra here, got to be closer to 2 bills, not obese or anything though), dresses like he’s still in college (He is) with the backwards ball cap and polo shirts (more like sandles, long shorts and t-shirts with wierd sayings), late(Early) twenties, constantly in motion(Yuppers), a little bit of a geek (Well Yeah), but is bestfriends with all the women (If they have enough of a sense of humor to handle him, easily offended women need not apply). Am I close? (Looks alot like Lucky from Lucky Charms with long red sideburns)
Does that help?
April 20th, 2006 at 9:03 pmThe quality of right-wing trolls here is >much
April 20th, 2006 at 9:10 pmIt’s great to see how all the reich wingers here are busy proposing realistic military courses of action against Iran. All we need to do is BOMB THEM!Oh, wait, they lost track of the subject way back in the sub-100s. Pathetic.
April 20th, 2006 at 9:13 pmi was a card-carrying member of the libertarian party.
What I have said I am from day 1
the point of my comments is that i want moderation. i DO NOT want the country lead by a runaway right wing (as it is now) or a runaway left wing.
I am in the same boat, I don’t believe in the slamming republicans just because they are, same for liberals. On a left sided site any opposition will be considered far right. In order to make a counter argument, you have to side with Bush on occasion or better said along the right party line.
funny how you didn’t have any comments as to the rest of what i said in that post.
The rest of your post was for someone who wants war with Iran, I never said that or even thought that. My theory is let someone else deal with it. If we leave Iran alone and they build a missile we won’t be their first target (He already hates Israel more than us). At that point the international community can decide to do something or not. Either way it won’t be our millions that get fried in seconds.(Cold hearted sure, but I never advocated dropping a single bomb or sending 1 soldier in)
oh yeah: a moonbat. that, sir, is a fairly partisan tactic.
April 20th, 2006 at 9:15 pmIt was in response to calling me a Wingnut. I was sort of thrown over to the right by you on that one.
Does that help?
Comment by Tundra — April 20, 2006 @ 9:03 pm
Yeah, thanks. He reminds me of this kid I used to work with who was right out of college. Sounds like he looks a bit like him as well. Good to have the frame of reference.
Storms are picking up here, so I should get offline before I fry my modem… Ya’ll enjoy your evening. Tundra, at least go to bed at some point :).
April 20th, 2006 at 9:16 pmmeg_mac: SEIXON… just out of curiosity is this the only site you visit? it must be really frustrating to have to defend Bushco when you know in your heart he is not the president we need. i mean come on he has failed in business and now he is failng in government. but he will be gone soon and it will be up to us all to pick up the pieces and go on. I’m up for it are you?
No, Think Progress is not the only site I visit, thank goodness. I would be in a psych ward if I could only read TP, there is so much BS here every day that I honestly wonder how they manage to keep it up day after day. I’m not defending Bushco (wtf is that?), I am going after all the slanderous liars who make shit up about the administration day after day instead of actually doing anything constructive with their time to help the country. Bush is the president we have, and Kerry would have been a disaster. Obviously there are other people who could do Bush’s job better than him, but they’re not the president, and nor will they be for another couple years. So, what’s the use in even talking about that? Bush failed AND succeeded in business. Ever heard of the Texas Rangers? See, that’s an example of me seeing both sides of the truth, while you only chose one side.
I’m all for a Democratic Congress in 2006, as long as they don’t screw up everything we have accomplished so far in Iraq, and ruin the entire mission. However, I’d much rather that the entire Senate and House get wiped out and start with a brand new bunch of people. Most if not all of our politicians are complete morons who don’t do what is best for the country.
Spudge_boy,
I’m not buying it. I’m too tired to go dig up some posts by you from 2004, but I’m sure I would find things that aren’t consistent with what you are saying now.
Bush has been handling Iran diplomatically, by letting most of the process be done by Iran’s immediate neighbors and the EU. Involving the USA would not accomplish anything, as Iran sees us as the Great Satan, and there would be nothing to gain from dealing with them directly. Thus I find particularly hypocritical your stance that the Bush administration is doing something wrong by doing this.
As for Saddam, obviously there are bigger fish to fry than him, but here’s the thing – all of them have nukes and huge armies. You have to pick your battles wisely, and that’s precisely what we did. We prevented Saddam from becoming a big fish, because we’ve already got North Korea and Iran on our plate, and we really didn’t need another one popping up on us 5-10 years from now. Now we have got Iran surrounded with troops in Afghanistan and Iraq. I’m sure you don’t even see the strategy of that at all since you are too busy thinking about us magically blessing China, Russia, North Korea, Iran, and all the other fish with democracy and freedom. The rest of us who live in the real world will do all the real work, while you can dream away how things should be and should be done.
Finally, you say:
Don’t know where you get this from. You have proven time and again that you don’t listen to a thing we say and know nothing about us.
Are you kidding me? Every single post on TP, every single comment you make. You even said that Bush could only do something right by falling off a cliff. Doesn’t that prove that you cannot ever see Bush doing anything right, even if it is the right thing, even if it is something you previously supported, even if someone else suggests the same thing?
See, you are just pretending to be something other than what you are. All your words are right there for anyone to read. You can’t run away from your own words.
April 20th, 2006 at 9:23 pmGreat article in ‘The Sun’ ( a periodical) . Muslim scholar Ebrahim Moosa.
April 20th, 2006 at 9:27 pmon freedom, fundamentalism and the spirit of Islam. we really have to get to know these people better.
SEIXON… What exactly have we accomplished in Iraq? and I think he didnt really do much for the Texas Rangers either. wasnt he the one who traded Sammy Sousa? who then when on to way bigger things in Chicago? i’m starting to pity you now. Iran’s immediate neighbors?? who might they be? i dont think we have Iran surrounded dude. Most people agree we dont have enough troops in Iraq just to take care of Iraq!
April 20th, 2006 at 9:38 pmThe problem does not lie in the fact that you are too tired, the real issue is that you won’t find them.
I did not like the fact that George W. Bush became president, but I didn’t hate him then.
Then 9/11 happened. I saw Bush’s incompetence that day when he sat around for 7 1/2 minutes with a stupid look on his face. That is not what a real leader does.
As with most Americans who are patriotic, I was for going after the Taliban in Afgahnastan. They support terrorist. See, I agreed with Bush on giong there. He should have marched acrossed the Middle East in search of Osama bin Laden and killed any terrorist we found along the way.
Then, the bullshit was started about Iraq and WMDs. I didn’t believe it for a minute. Not once. I have always, always, always been against the US attack Iraq. From day one. That has never change. Bush only went there for oil.
The American people, myself included wanted Bush to destroy Osama, not get us involved in a never ending war over oil or “spreading democracy” throughtout the (hand picked) world.
Then Katrina hit and Bush sat around for 3 days before he did anything. This is not the type of thing that happens a lot. Hurricane Katrina was an event. Bush could have won over a lot of his critics if he would have acted like a leader, but he didn’t. I don’t give a flying fvck if you wanna blame everything on state and local officials, but I am watching Bush the man. He could have cut through the red tape and made shit happen, but he didn’t. I will never forgive him for not taking charge.
I started out not really being happy about Bush being president, to hating his guts. He is a useless leader. Hell, he isn’t a leader at all.
April 20th, 2006 at 10:09 pmGreat article in ‘The Sun’ ( a periodical) . Muslim scholar Ebrahim Moosa.
on freedom, fundamentalism and the spirit of Islam. we really have to get to know these people better.
Comment by meg_mac
Sure we do. You can start here…it’s also quite an eye opener if you think Liberals are interested in justice.
Leniency for ‘ignorant’ woman who hurt baby
By Steve Bird
A BANGLADESHI woman who shook a baby boy so violently that he suffered brain damage walked free from court yesterday because a judge conceded that she did not know how to behave in the West.
Rahella Khanom, 24, caused the five-month-old boy in her care to suffer fractures to his breast bone and ribs as she tried to rid him of evil spirits, Southwark Crown Court was told.
The injuries inflicted on the child over several weeks had caused one side of his brain to shrink. It was believed that the boy would have been screaming in agony for eight weeks because his injuries went untreated.
Khanom, from Poplar, East London, said that she had wanted to purge the baby of evil spirits as it cried and cried. She was not found to be mentally ill.
The court was told that Khanom, a Muslim, did not understand that shaking a helpless baby would not exorcise an evil spirit.
Judge Rodney McKinnon told Khanom: “Normal and right-minded people will be horrified by this. Everybody must recognise how serious it is to treat children in this way and to use violence.†But the judge said that Khanom’s strong cultural and religious beliefs, and the fact that she had been forced by her husband to live in isolation since coming to Britain from Bangladesh, meant that there were exceptional circumstances in her case.
He said: “You are a young lady who came from Bangladesh. You lived there in a rural community, adopting the customs and ways of the people there so that getting to know the ways of living in the West and in this country were not easy.
“I accept you were kept really quite isolated from our society by your community and it would seem to a large extent by your husband as well. Under these circumstances I do not feel it is in the public interest to pass an immediate custodial sentence.â€
Khanom was given an 18-month prison sentence, suspended for two years, after admitting one count of cruelty to a person under the age of 16.
Sailesh Mehta, for the prosecution, said that the baby was taken to the Royal London Hospital, in Whitechapel, on November 16, 2004, because he was refusing to eat.
“He had been vomiting and not eating and was having difficulty breathing with a bruise to his head,†Mr Mehta said.
“On examination, the doctor found the top of the head was bulging.â€
He added: “On the last occasion the prosecution accepted that the child was doing well and thankfully had passed the developmental milestones expected of him.†Kate Bex, for the defence, told the court that Khanom’s religious and cultural beliefs had led to her shaking the child.
She said: “She now knows that this was not an appropriate way to deal with her belief in manifestation of spirit.â€
April 20th, 2006 at 10:14 pmI started out not really being happy about Bush being president, to hating his guts. He is a useless leader. Hell, he isn’t a leader at all.
Comment by Spudge_Boy
I sounds to me like you just filled up your mini-van.
April 20th, 2006 at 10:16 pmtundra,
thanks for helping to restore my faith in conservative-types; the trolls around here really try my patience and belief that there is hope. sorry i mixed you in with them. you are obviously not a wingnut…
i also agree with what you say about iran and israel — notice that israel is ramping up its rhetoric also with the “axis of terror” and world war iii comments… sure, ahmadenijad (sp?) has his own share of nutty comments, but he’s not khatami, and that’s still who has the most power in iran behind the scenes.
truth is, i don’t want anyone to get nuked but we have a ridiculous double standard as far as other countries like india, pakistan and even north korea are concerned. how come we didn’t have this sabre-rattling before north korea got its program going? why are there satellite photos of the very same american c-130s we gave to pakistan in consideration for their efforts as a partner in the “war on terror”, on airstrips in north korea loading equipment that could only be used for uranium enrichment, in may of 2002? why did pakistan only get a slap on the wrist after is was discovered khan had given the nuclear secrets to other regimes? how come we STILL don’t know the extent of israel’s nuclear arsenal? they won’t give us that information, yet we make an awful lot of very important foreign policy decisions that seem to benefit israel and israel alone.
sure, israel is our “only ally in the region”, but it often seems they do as much to disrupt stability in the region (post-1973) as they do to promote it.
and please, before anyone wants to go screaming “anti-semite”, you should know that i regard israel as merely another country in the world, and not “a place where a bunch of jews live”. i do, however, find it ironic for people that deplore the holocaust (as i do also) to have chosen to live specifically in the one place in the world that is least tolerant to them and most likely to result in the abhorrent possibility of history repeating itself. sure, i understand the religious connotations, but the fact is most israelis aren’t orthodox or even religious at all. and don’t ask me where they “should” live. i don’t know. it just strikes me as odd that in 1948 it was decided to stick these two peoples, who obviously share a mutual disgust, right next door to each other. no one could see that this was going to be an ongoing problem, not just for the region, but for the world?
furthermore, despite the u.s. efforts to ‘protect’ israel, there sure has been some major bungling in the past with respect to our actions in iraq and iran; all i can say is, american diplomacy in the middle east has left israel decidedly less safe, all while drawing the antagonism of the mostly islamic countries in the region. of course, it’s always been about the oil!
sorry for the long post but this whole situation exemplifies an ongoing string of bad decisions that have gotten us to where we are now. and mostly for oil!
oil is the black blood of our planet and we are the myopic vampires sucking it dry.
April 20th, 2006 at 10:17 pmThen, the bullshit was started about Iraq and WMDs. I didn’t believe it for a minute. Not once. I have always, always, always been against the US attack Iraq. From day one. That has never change. Bush only went there for oil.
Comment by Spudge_Boy
No, I take that back. You’re not pissed you’re just a moron.
April 20th, 2006 at 10:17 pmoil is the black blood of our planet and we are the myopic vampires sucking it dry.
Comment by Progressaurus Rex
What kind of bike do you ride?
April 20th, 2006 at 10:19 pmMore Liberal idiocy…
Facilities in a prison are being built so Muslim inmates do not have to face Mecca while sitting on the toilet.
The Home Office said two new toilet blocks are being installed as part of a refurbishment at Brixton jail in south London.
Faith leaders had told prison bosses it was unacceptable for Muslim inmates to face Mecca while using the toilet.
“The refurbishment has been carried out with due consideration for all faithsâ€, a Home Office spokeswoman said. “Following consultation with faith leaders within the prison, various small adjustments were made to ensure the faith issues of all prisoners are taken into account.â€
April 20th, 2006 at 10:22 pmUnbelivable
Tundra and Squeegie are Right of Center. Not what I consider real opposition
Oh, from now on its ON!!! Pretty soon Pat Robertson and Fallwell are gonna be on my far left.
Yeah, thanks. He reminds me of this kid I used to work with who was right out of college. Sounds like he looks a bit like him as well. Good to have the frame of reference.
Yah, Tundra has it pretty dead on, 5′8-5′9 not quite sure, just over 200, but working on it, not quite out of college, but done with classes, on my last Co-Op from RIT, if I don’t get fired by may I graduate, allthough the addiction to this site dosn’t help the not getting fired bit.
Funny that you ask after I say I’m out for the night…..reminds me of that coward comment, but now it applies to you :)
Good luck on not getting anything fried in the storm, can’t wait till my first Thunderstorm, I enjoy watching them.
April 20th, 2006 at 10:22 pmThis reminds me of a joke….a Muslim once came up to Gene Rodenberry and asked him why there were no Muslims on the Star Ship Enterprise. Rodenberry replies: “Because the show is set in the future.”
Frankly, I don’t think Abdul will ever get off the ground even with the Russians help.
KUALA LUMPUR (AFP) – How do Muslim astronauts pray in space? Malaysia’s National Space Agency is holding a conference to consider such questions as the country prepares to send its first citizen into orbit.
A nationwide competition in the majority-Muslim country has narrowed the field to four astronaut candidates, three of whom are Muslims. Two will eventually be trained and sent into space by Russia, and Malaysia’s space agency — or Angkasa — said it had been scratching its head over how Muslim rituals could be carried out properly.
Performing ablutions for Muslim prayers with water rationing in space and preparing food according to Islamic standards will be among issues discussed, said Angkasa’s director-general, Mazlan Othman. …
The astronaut will also visit the International Space Station, which circles the earth 16 times in 24 hours, so another thorny question is how to pray five times a day as required by Islam, she said.
Muslims also have to turn towards Mecca to pray and working out which direction that will be while hovering above the earth might also be challenging.
April 20th, 2006 at 10:28 pmThe “Religion of Peace” is on board with nuclear proliferation. That’s a comforting thought when Muslim mothers pack their kids a C-4 lunch and send them out to die with little Jewish and Christian kids in ice cream parlors and pizza joints.
Most in the Arab world see the U.S. and European campaign against Iran as hypocritical, while Israel refuses to allow international nuclear inspections and is thought to have some 200 nuclear warheads.
“I want the whole region free of all nuclear weapons but if the West continues its double-standard approach on this issue then Iran has the right (to have them),†said Abdel-Rahman Za’za’, a 29-year-old Lebanese engineer. “This could provide some balance against Israel and help the Palestinians in their negotiations. We have to take our rights because they are not going to be given to us,†he added.
The Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt’s largest opposition group, said this week it saw no harm in Iran developing nuclear arms. “That would create a kind of equilibrium between the two sides — the Arab and Islamic side on one side and Israel on the other,†said deputy Brotherhood leader Mohamed Habib.
Arab League chief Amr Moussa said on Tuesday policies toward nuclear programs in the region needed thorough review. “These policies which are based on double standards will blow up and escalate this issue and this escalation will not include only Iran and Israel,†he said. The Arab League represents 22 Arab governments, from Morocco to the Gulf. …
“It’s amazing how encouraging people are of the whole thing. Some think the Iranians are on the way to acquiring it (nuclear weapons capability) and are quite excited,†said Hesham Kassem, editor of the independent Cairo newspaper Al Masry Al Youm. “There doesn’t seem to be any awareness that it might be a calamity,†added Kassem, who said he personally was afraid of an arms race bringing in Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Turkey.
Mohamed el-Sayed Said, deputy director of the Ahram Center for Political and Strategic Studies, a Cairo think tank, said: “People are very very warm about it (Iran’s nuclear program). Anyone who challenges the United States will find a great deal of support. That’s a very profitable enterprise in public opinion terms. Even if it takes an arms race, people don’t mind. What we have here is wounded dignity and revulsion about the lack of fairness and double standards.â€
April 20th, 2006 at 10:38 pmsure i-r-i,
i did say “we are the myopic vampires” and when i say “we” i do include myself in that equation. but for the record i own a trek and ride it in the city where i live as often as possible. however, i do own a van for long distance trips and going camping, etc. hence my inclusion of myself as a myopic vampire.
what kind of tricycle do you ride? or have you graduated to training wheels?
April 20th, 2006 at 11:14 pmIRI …. you have to be kidding me?? a bangledeshi woman? how about the English au pair who shook a child violently and the child died. she was acquitted and extradited back to England. dont start bringing up obscure stories about 1 muslim Bangladeshi woman to represent all Iranian women as if they all shake their babies senseless. thats just ridiculous!
April 20th, 2006 at 11:51 pmfrom the article in ‘The Sun’
When Saddam came to power the US gave him a long list of ‘communists
April 21st, 2006 at 12:10 ameliminate.He got rid of a number of them and slowly ingratiated himself to western powers, particularly the US.Later through go-betweens Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld-who are now respectively vice president and secretary of defense-the US supported Sadaam in his war against Iraq.But there is no way to switch off a tyrant like Saddam and he eventually started to cause trouble where we didnt want him too.
so for us to claim we had nothing to do with his tyranny is ludicrous.
on the contrary we knew everything he was doing,but as long as it was considered in our interest to let him do it ,we looked the other way.
typo…. war against IRAN……
April 21st, 2006 at 12:13 amI-RIGHT-I: What you’re saying is not new. Every fallen empire in the history of the world has considered its subjects too stupid to rule themselves. Of course, they are all gone (empires), and so will the one (empire) you are defending.
April 21st, 2006 at 12:57 amUnlike Iraq, Bush doesn’t seem to care if he has support for this war or not. He is just going in and bombing, consequences be damned and it is hardly making it in the news. We are about to nuke a country. I weep for the people who will be incinerated. This will be a very, very sad day for America. This country will be nothing more than a joke if we nuke Iran.
April 21st, 2006 at 2:36 amGivem hell, Harry!
April 21st, 2006 at 3:22 am236
I understand the knee jerk reaction!, I am guilty of it many times myself (As I demonstrated) Yeah I think we most likely will agree on many topics. I have had the joy of going to Isreal myself when I was stationed in Egypt.I will say I loved it and the feeling I got was wonderful, but I am more concerned with America.
Do we have a duty to help our allies, sure I’ll bite. But if our allies don’t want/will not step up, they are on their own. It’s not our job. The whole history in the region is pretty bad, noone can realistically track it all down and really find a suitable resolution. Plus being over there and dealing with several of the cultures has had a huge impact on how I feel toward them. I just don’t think the U.S can realistically sort it out. Plus It’s not our job. Sticking them there after WWII was a joint effort by many nations and they all act now like the situation was always f’d up and they had nothing to do with it.
I think Iran is one of the smaller problems we have to deal with when compared to getting Iraq and the homeland functioning again.
April 21st, 2006 at 4:04 amSane people have already commented on the insanity of nuking Iran, so I won’t say any more about that.
But somebody mentioned Turkey as being headed by a “moderate dictator”. I’m sorry, but Turkish leaders were elected, don’t you know. You could mention the power of the military on political life in the 80 odd years of the Turkish Republic, but in recent years, their influence is much much less, as Turkey strives to join the EU (not sure when/if that will happen).
I would like to think that this error was due to the commenter not being informed, rather than an assumption that any country with a Muslim majority must be a dictatorship, since they are sheep, don’t you know.
April 21st, 2006 at 6:29 amTundra and Squeegie are Right of Center. Not what I consider real opposition
I haven’t met many smart folks who are extreme on everything. And those who are extreme on everything are too irrational to debate anyway.
Oh, from now on its ON!!! Pretty soon Pat Robertson and Fallwell are gonna be on my far left.
They are so far on my far left that they are extreme right :)
Yah, Tundra has it pretty dead on, 5′8-5′9 not quite sure, just over 200, but working on it, not quite out of college, but done with classes, on my last Co-Op from RIT, if I don’t get fired by may I graduate, allthough the addiction to this site dosn’t help the not getting fired bit.
I thought you were younger than most people around here.
Funny that you ask after I say I’m out for the night…..reminds me of that coward comment, but now it applies to you :)
Oh please. It just came up. Wasn’t planned. Such paranoia and distrust from you righties. If it makes us even you can ask Tundra what I look like. Unfortunately he doesn’t know (yet), but, that’s your problem ;)
Good luck on not getting anything fried in the storm, can’t wait till my first Thunderstorm, I enjoy watching them.
Comment by squegeeboo — April 20, 2006 @ 10:22 pm
It was a really great one too. Not too intense, but obvious. Was enough to scare my scaredy cat. Lightning lit up the whole yard. Was cool. It’s probably heading north now… so you may get your wish if it survives that long.
April 21st, 2006 at 7:34 amI-RIGHT-I: What you’re saying is not new. Every fallen empire in the history of the world has considered its subjects too stupid to rule themselves. Of course, they are all gone (empires), and so will the one (empire) you are defending.
Comment by Joe Caribe
You just made that up. Empires fall for one reason and one reason only; the people become like the Democrats, the party of Treason, Abortion, Homosexuality and join themselves together into a “Cult of Malevolent Mendacity”.
http://theanchoressonline.com/2006/04/20/judas-and-cult-of-malevolent-mendacity/
April 21st, 2006 at 9:29 am#193, “Ronald Reagan had the right idea: “The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they’re ignorant. It’s that they know so much that isn’t so.’”
A soundbyte is not the same thing as an idea. Ronnie never had a single one of the latter. He had far too many of the former, before he thankfully slid into complete incoherence (was that in 1983? I forget).
April 21st, 2006 at 9:57 ammeg_mac:SEIXON… What exactly have we accomplished in Iraq? and I think he didnt really do much for the Texas Rangers either. wasnt he the one who traded Sammy Sousa? who then when on to way bigger things in Chicago? i’m starting to pity you now. Iran’s immediate neighbors?? who might they be? i dont think we have Iran surrounded dude. Most people agree we dont have enough troops in Iraq just to take care of Iraq!
1. Iraq is no longer run by Saddam Hussein; Iraq has had three democratic elections; we’ve begun restoring much of the failed infrastructure that Saddam hadn’t gotten around to fixing since his war with Iran; Iraq is being modernized with internet and cell-phones. Just for starters.
2. He didn’t do much for the Texas Rangers? LOL. Talk to anyone who knows anything about it, and you’ll see that he helped raise the value of that team tremendously and made a fair share of profit off of it. I’m not sure that Bush himself traded away Sammy Sosa, but in any case, it’s not like he could have foreseen that Sammy would be a huge slugger. Are we now to the point where we start saying that Bush is dumb because he isn’t psychic? Geez.
3. You don’t know who Iran’s immediate neighbors are, or that we have Iran surrounded? Try a map. Iraq. Afghanistan. Those are the two countries surrounding Iran on each side. We have troops in both. Thanks for playing.
April 21st, 2006 at 10:04 am258 – pull your head out of your asshole and read something other than the Washington Times or look @ Phaux Pnews. There’s a civil war going on in Iraq & we’re getting it from all sides.
Here’s a problem we all face on an “open” site like this. Some of the players like to send the train off the tracks. That’s their sole purpose. When we take their bait, we play THEIR game, and that isn’t our best game. Play on your own turf, not theirs. That way our points of view and opinions can be brought out in the best possible light w/o some troll reinterpreting our views as something they aren’t.
Now I can’t help myself but slam them. They send me over the edge. But I also know there are better ways than to deal with them than straight up. Example – a HUGE minority of republicans think the use of nuclear weapons is OK. So, all of those yahoos post here & we give them credence, acting like they represent anything. They don’t. They represent nobody. Don’t play their game. They won’t answer serious questions. They just want to get us to tie our knickers in knots.
Say your piece, let the rest go. They are professional trolls. Worse than shit on the bottom of your shoe cause they go out of their way to stick to our shoes.
It’s Friday. Go out and have a FABULOUS day & GREAT weekend.
April 21st, 2006 at 10:19 am#259
… They are professional trolls. Worse than shit on the bottom of your shoe cause they go out of their way to stick to our shoes.
Oh please… get over yourself. This little piss ant site with it’s same twenty or so regulars posting comments does not warrant the attention of “professional” trolls. I don’t know about the others, but I found this site by accident a while ago. I posted comments under another handle–all of which were polite. Like many here, I provided links and facts to support my arguments, and was always met with ridicule and vicious attack. That’s the way it is with you liberals–you preach tolerance and extend intolerance to opposing views. Every conservative knows this. People like Limbaugh, Hannity, and Anne Coulter all say the same thing about liberals tactics and sure as shit–they’re right. I only come here out of morbid curiosity and to read I-RIGHT-I’s comments. He’s right, he knows you guys are hopeless, and he’s funny. Nowhere else can I find such a collection of psuedo-intellectuals–trying to sound scholarly–while demonstrating your perpetual intellectual dishonesty.
April 21st, 2006 at 10:58 amLike many here, I provided links and facts to support my arguments, and was always met with ridicule and vicious attack.
April 21st, 2006 at 11:22 amThat’s the funniest thing I’ve seen yet. Sounds like you’re talking about the RW blogs, AM radio, and Rupert Murdoch’s Fox “News”. Let me scan up to find the links you posted from : Washington Times, RW blogs, discredited think tank reports, etc.
But damn, you must be bored if this isn’t your job. Does your boss know you never get any work done because you post all day and night on blogs such as this?
April 21st, 2006 at 11:23 am3. You don’t know who Iran’s immediate neighbors are, or that we have Iran surrounded? Try a map. Iraq. Afghanistan. Those are the two countries surrounding Iran on each side. We have troops in both. Thanks for playing.
These troops are, of course, currently occupied with other duties, which means that either (a) you pull them away from those duties to attack Iran, promoting further chaos in those nations, or (b) you leave them there as convenient targets-of-opportunity for Iranian retaliation. Which part of “no good military options” did you not understand?
April 21st, 2006 at 11:26 amIt was laid out pretty clearly to these trolls why there are no good military options in Iran way back up the list here. They have yet to provide any tenable ideas on a military solution except: “let other countries handle it” or “bomb them” – neither of which will work – but keep on suggesting – better yet, shut up and get a life.
April 21st, 2006 at 11:31 am#262
KC Dumbass you said–That’s the funniest thing I’ve seen yet. Sounds like you’re talking about the RW blogs, AM radio, and Rupert Murdoch’s Fox “Newsâ€.
You’re wrong you presumptuous bastard–I’ve often used the same sources used to propagate the anti-Bush stories on this site–except I mentioned the things that were convieniantly left out.
You can scan all you want, but I’m not going to tell you my old handle. It doesn’t matter anyway, you libs are never fair-minded. You make all kinds of wild accusations, and when you’re confronted–you change the subject or start introducing all kinds of nonsensical, obscure and irrelevant information. Face it–you guys are completely inacapable of even the most basic levels of fair-mindedness and honesty.
Did you ever notice how dull these comments are without us trolls? If we didn’t show up, these threads would dry up after about 20 or 30 comments. Then ThinkProgress would be forced to come up with a new story so you guys can keep regurgitating the same old shit over and over again. You guys have proved without any shadow of doubt that your position on the issues deserves no respect.
As for your other comment–But damn, you must be bored if this isn’t your job. Does your boss know you never get any work done because you post all day and night on blogs such as this?
First of all, it may take you all day and night to post roughly 10 comments in a day, but not me. I’m not here all day anyway. I’ll be in the mood to give you guys some shit throughout the day, for a day or two, and then I won’t be here again for a couple of weeks.
You should take your own advice to shut up and get a life, or is it to hard for you to face life without your little liberal support group here at ThinkProgress?
April 21st, 2006 at 12:21 pmEvery conservative knows this. People like Limbaugh, Hannity, and Anne Coulter all say the same thing about liberals tactics and sure as shit–they’re right.
Hahaha, you ARE a comedian! You are going to cite Limbaugh and Coulter as sources of true information? This being the Limbaugh with a drug addiction to a prescription medication for which he didn’t even have a prescription: Oxycontin? For which he employed the services of an undocumented maid from south of the border to procure for him? You’re a laugh a minute. I don’t have time to cite all of Rush’s LIES here so check this out for an out of date compilation:
Rush is a LIAR Rush thinks the ice caps are GROWING! HAHAHAHAHA. Doesn’t he also believe in “intelligent design”?
Anne Coulter: http://slannder.homestead.com/
More Coulter Lies
Go home little boy.
April 21st, 2006 at 12:23 pm“KC Dumbass ” – “…First of all, it may take you all day and night to post roughly 10 comments in a day, but not me.”
Dude, you are such a prototypical right winger. First you insult me by calling me a name “dumbass”, then you LIE and say you posted 10 COMMENTS. Try 29, idiot. Yesterday alone. I can count today’s for you if you want.
April 21st, 2006 at 12:32 pmOh, and BTW – since you asked: 29 comments at the time you left the thread yesterday was approximately 10% of all comments made, meaning one out of every ten comments was yours. You really do need to get a life.
April 21st, 2006 at 12:38 pmKC
Your comments in #268 about Rush are false. The only thing you have right is that he sought help for an addiction to pain killers. The rest of your claims are pure left wing crap. Besides, I never claimed to believe everything they say anyway. I just said they were right about liberals tactics. Once again you’re proving them right. Oh and If it’s really that important to you to see how many comments I’ve made–then I’m not the one in need of a life.
April 21st, 2006 at 12:51 pm#274
I was wondering how long it would take for one of you to notice that.
April 21st, 2006 at 1:00 pmCongratulations! You are the liberal fucktard of the day! (I-R-I’s word)
Ok, DUMBASS – i might have been wrong about the undocumented maid, but I was right about everything else. And no, he did not seek help -until he was investigated for criminal activity – endless right wing spin. Rush’s lies (the link) are well documented, and if you’re denying them, then you’re not worth having an agument with.
Rush and Pills
As for counting your comments AFTER YOU LIED, it’s pretty simple actually, IDIOT:
CTRL+F -> Find Next. Hit the button 29 times, catch a repug in a lie. Too easy.
April 21st, 2006 at 1:03 pm“Once again you’re proving them right.
I’m proving them right how? By using their own tactics against them? Except that when I do so, I research my facts and admit a mistake when I make one? Who started calling names here? Yep, it was you, Antagonist. Just like Limbaugh, O’Reilly, Hannity, and Coulter you’re a massive hypocrite.
April 21st, 2006 at 1:17 pm#278
First of all I said “roughly 10 times” in my comment in in #267 that’s not an exact number. You responded in #272 with Oh, and BTW – since you asked–I didn’t ask! Another liberal tactic–insert your own reality. Another liberal tactic is to focus on the wrong part of what’s said and totally miss the point. Keep going Dumbass! BTW I counted 24 comments that I made yesterday. Another liberal tactic–exagerate! You can’t count it when someone else mentions my name or copies one of my comments.
April 21st, 2006 at 1:27 pmThis is my sixth comment today in case you want to compare totals. I can’t believe how easy it is to document the dishonest liberal tactics!
Every liberal knows this. People like Limbaugh, Hannity, and Ann Coulter all say the same things about liberals’ tactics and sure as shit – it’s because they are mindless, unthinking robots mouthing conservative soundbytes.
April 21st, 2006 at 1:40 pmAntagonist,
Sorry – but your argument doesn’t hold water. First off, I might have miscounted by one – only weakening your argument that I have nothing better to do than count your comments – still MORE than 10% of all comments made yesterday. So is that “repuglican fuzzy math”? Roughly 10 equates to 24-29? Keep making a fool out of yourself.
Second, I was being facetious when I said “since you asked”, and you’re obviously either a) too obtuse to grasp that, or b) so concerned with being “right”, that the tiniest little inconsistency is enough to set you off. Either way, pathetic.
I couldn’t care less about comparing totals, but if you want to, please add your comments from yesterday. You really need a life, tool.
April 21st, 2006 at 1:51 pmTypical right wing tactic. I’m so sick of their bullshit.
April 21st, 2006 at 2:01 pmHe says “roughly 10″ when it’s really closer to 30. Then when called a liar he says “i said ROUGHLY 10! So there!!!”What a disingenuous way to communicate. Either he doesn’t REMEMBER sitting and trolling ALL DAY AND NIGHT yesterday, or he’s just lying. At this point, I’m leaning toward the latter.
Thank you for your professional opinion, DR. BECKER. Every conservative knows there has not been an original thought on the left since that ne’er do well leech, Karl Marx. You liberals just continue to WOW the rest of us with your sense of moral superiority (HA!!!) and “original” thinking….
April 21st, 2006 at 2:02 pm#284
You’re still focused on an insignificant detail of my earlier comment, and you’ve completely missed the point.
You insist on attempting to make your claims reality. I’ll spell it out for you because I know it’s impossible for liberals to be fair-minded—I posted 24 comments yesterday in the course of 4 hours and 56 minutes. That does not constitue ALL DAY. I was working from home yesterday, and again today. I was on the computer for 11 hours doing my job, and between tasks I posted some comments here–same thing today.
When I said “roughly 10 times” I was thinking in overall terms. Occassionally there are more, like yesterday, and you latch on to that like you’ve really found something.
Notice how it’s ok for you to use an EXACT number and be wrong, and how it’s not ok for me to use an APPROXIMATE number and be wrong. Another liberal tactic–double standards.
BTW this is my seventh comment today.
April 21st, 2006 at 2:59 pm#285 Your posts offer no value at all. You have nothing new or even clever or funny to say. You only berate. Wasted valuable time. Aren’t you trying to do anything to help out your crumbling party? Are you a moderate repub or a religious repub? Who is one of your favorite politicians these days? Who do you admire for their policies?
When you only rant you aren’t representing your party very well. When others come here they what you are all about and it doesn’t make repubs look very good or compassionate at all. Why do you write such counterproductive posts? You look dumb, mean, hateful and selfish. Have you no pride?
April 21st, 2006 at 3:08 pmEvery liberal knows this. People like Limbaugh, Hannity, and Ann Coulter all say the same things about liberals’ tactics and sure as shit – it’s because “monkey see, monkey do.”
April 21st, 2006 at 3:39 pmWhen I said “roughly 10 times†I was thinking in overall terms. Occassionally there are more, like yesterday, and you latch on to that like you’ve really found something.
Notice how it’s ok for you to use an EXACT number and be wrong, and how it’s not ok for me to use an APPROXIMATE number and be wrong.
No, I acknowledged that I might have used an inexact number. But I didn’t go back to fact check your statement, so I really don’t care.
Frankly, bereft of any substantial contribution to the discussion here (with your “current” handle or your “old” handle), you resorted to lame diversionary tactics, got called on them, and then STILL try to right your misleading statement. Tell me what 24 (or 29) is closer to: 30 or 10. Tell me that you didn’t spend almost half (assuming you are telling the truth on that one) of your day yesterday trolling this site, without offering anything substantive to the discussion. Hell, you’re still here today. Try to find a post by me yesterday.
April 21st, 2006 at 3:51 pmUltimately, though I’ve reached the conclusion that you are a hypocrite, prevaricator, and don’t know the difference between the words “to” and “too”.
That’s about all I need in order to ignore all of your subsequent posts.
And one more thing – it was YOU who indirectly quoted Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, et al in order to make some kind of point that “liberals” resort to the very name calling that you, yourself started with me. When confronted with facts regarding the lack of truthfulness as a general practice on the part of each person cited, you say you don’t believe everything they say. Just the things they say about “liberals” as a general rule, of which they themselves are guilty EVERY DAY. Again, go home, name calling little whiner.
April 21st, 2006 at 3:54 pm#287
You’re not worth anything of value. I’m not trying to be funny or clever. I’m not here to carry any politicians water. I’m not representing any party. I’m here to irritate you because I loathe liberalism. It fails every singel time it’s tried, but you’re all too stupid to realize that. In your rejection of God and traditional values—you’ve have no mooring. You’re all adrift in your psuedo-intellectual idealistic alternate reality. You have my pity.
For KC this is my eigth comment today, and I’m probably done.
April 21st, 2006 at 4:01 pm‘dya get much work done in those 5 hours? I didn’t think that computer labs at community colleges let you stay on for that amount of time. Oh, wait – that would explain the roughly 9 post gaps between yours.
Nevermind.
April 21st, 2006 at 4:01 pm#291, “In your rejection of God and traditional values—you’ve have no mooring.”
Wrong. Wrong yet again. Wrong forever.
We have the one and only mooring there is – true freedom.
April 21st, 2006 at 4:06 pmI’m here to irritate you because I loathe liberalism. It fails every singel time it’s tried, but you’re all too stupid to realize that. In your rejection of God and traditional values—you’ve have no mooring. You’re all adrift in your psuedo-intellectual idealistic alternate reality.
When can we expect the publication of your forthcoming treatise on what exactly “liberalism” is, and why it fails every singel [sic] time?
I’ve never abandonded God. Only the people who believe in the literal translation of the book to which they happened to have beeen indoctrinated, and all the fundamentalists of every religion.
But I guess we can expect to hear about all the mooring you’ve [sic] have, and how you think it annoys us. What is really annoying is that you’ve bought into all the winger talking points and bullshit about how the repugs are somehow the party of “morality” and “responsibility”.
I think that’s pretty good evidence that your “job” is exactly some posters here have postulated it to be. You’re a republican hack.
April 21st, 2006 at 4:07 pmOh, and by the way, Antagonist – you might want to work on those reading skills.
Post #287 was directed at post #285 – written by mighty aphrodite, not you.
April 21st, 2006 at 4:11 pmOr is THAT your “old handle”?
Hey… anyone noticing that Malkin is starting to sound like Goebbels? Her critique of Harry Reid is straight out of 1942 Berlin (”… dieses bettnässendes Arschloch von Churchill…”). Come to think of it, she always DID sound like Goebbels.
April 21st, 2006 at 5:40 pmyou communists should thank your president everyday for toppling the infidel saddam. the invasion of iraq will prove to be a great thing for both our countries. well, mine anyway. LOL
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April 21st, 2006 at 9:38 pmhell
#287 – Dear PP – Thank you for your constructive criticism. (That sounded fairly positive, did it not?)
You say, “Your posts offer no value at all.”
****I beg to differ – in noting the last original leftist thinker was Karl Marx, we are able to dismiss the long held contention that “progressives” are forward thinking.
You say, “You only berate. Wasted valuable time. Aren’t you trying to do anything to help out your crumbling party?”
****I guess you missed the progressive seminar of “clever” conservative/Republican name calling. Many of your fellows here have gotten that lesson down quite well and are a big hit with other progs. To assist my party, I have told them my dissatisfaction with the runaway spending on entitlements and pork barrel district “fatteners” What suggestions have you made to the Greens, Socialist Workers Party or Dems? I have not noticed concrete progressive suggestions regarding national security, immigration, or terrorism. Please enlighten us.
You ask if I am a moderate or Religious Repub. I am a conservative, religious Republican. Are you a moderate, atheist Democrat??
You ask, “Who is one of your favorite politicians these days? Who do you admire for their policies?” One of my favourite pols is Dem Senator Joe Lieberman. He understands that placating a murderous enemy is not possible. I admire Tom Tancredo of Colorado – he understands that a nation fails to exist unless that nation can control its borders.
Please re-read your second paragraph in #287 – I could address each and every point to YOU just as you have written it. Frankly, I have never met so many people with nothing positive to say. You conclude with “You look dumb, mean, hateful and selfish. Have you no pride?” Does the previous sentence make you look smart, kind, loving, and unselfish? I didn’t think so…..
But, again, I appreciate your input…..
April 22nd, 2006 at 7:09 pmHey… anyone noticing that Malkin is starting to sound like Goebbels? Her critique of Harry Reid is straight out of 1942 Berlin (â€â€¦ dieses bettnässendes Arschloch von Churchill…â€). Come to think of it, she always DID sound like Goebbels.
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I’m sure Malkin is laughing all the way to the bank thanks to stupid little kids like you that link to the Communist Party USA. But I guess you might have some insight concerning the German National Socialist Party (Nazi) since Hitler was only slightly to the right of Stalin and like all communists they were both world class mass murderers. They don’t teach you kiddies anything in school do they?
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