Rumsfeld: ‘The Implication That There Was Something Wrong with the War Plan is Amusing’
Rumsfeld: ‘The Implication That There Was Something Wrong with the War Plan is Amusing’
Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld has been doing a series of softball interviews with hosts like Rush Limbaugh in an effort to rehabilitate his image. On Monday, Rumsfeld appeared on the Bill Cunningham Show and had this to say about the retired generals criticizing his management of the Iraq war:
Of course the implication that there was something wrong with the war plan is amusing almost because of the fact that the war plan’s fashioned by the combatant commanders and it’s reviewed in great detail by the members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, then it’s recommended to me and the President.
In other words, Rumsfeld is arguing that there is nothing wrong with the Iraq war planning — but if there was anything wrong it wasn’t his fault. He’s blaming the combat commanders and the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
Rumsfeld doesn’t make these kind of statements in the mainstream media, probably because he knows a “pass the buck†strategy wouldn’t go over well. But this is the message he wants to deliver to his base of supporters.
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April 20th, 2006 at 11:27 amYou guys push the eject button a lot ; )
April 20th, 2006 at 11:30 amInadvertent keystroke, no doubt. Or was it…..?
April 20th, 2006 at 11:30 amRight when I had proved beyond a doubt how awsome bush is, which I can no longer remeber the specifics of. Conveinantly.
Also, wasn’t the war plan great, but the peace plan sucks?
April 20th, 2006 at 11:31 am“The implication that there was something wrong with the war plan is amusing…”
April 20th, 2006 at 11:33 amHowever, the implication that there was and is something wrong with you, Rummy, isn’t amusing.
Stand down, and take Limbaugh the lapdog with you.
Gee Sqeeg, I did not realize the war was over. Well then it is time for our boys and girls to come on home!!!
April 20th, 2006 at 11:33 amThe Bush Plan is going astray too. http://www.truthout.org has a piece saying may be hearing charges against Rove.
April 20th, 2006 at 11:36 amI guess it is easy for A**head to be pro-war when it is someone else being shot at!
Then again isn’t that the republican motto.
They are COWARDS!
April 20th, 2006 at 11:37 am[…] In an interview with Rush Limbaugh (yes, this adminstration regularly appears on Rush Limbaugh), Donald Rumseld explains “The implication that there was something wrong with the war plan is amusing“. […]
April 20th, 2006 at 11:37 amI would like to see him get interviews by Helen Thomas or Maureen Dowd. We will see what type of asinine statements he makes then.
April 20th, 2006 at 11:42 amHe left out the part where, after being recommended to himself and Bush they decide to ignore everything that was recommended (ie. troop levels, time frame, planning, amount of armour, etc.) and they just do whatever the hell they want.
April 20th, 2006 at 11:44 amI would pay to see Rummy in an interview with either of these women. That’s how we can pay for the war. Set up a pay-per-view for a real journalist to interview the idiot’s in this administration. How much should we charge?
April 20th, 2006 at 11:45 amWhy does the SecDef hate the Troops?
April 20th, 2006 at 11:46 amHe may as well be saying, “To say we were wrong about Sadam seeking Uranium is amusing because we send people to investigate and then they write up a reoprt and give it to us.”
The whole plan falls apart because the truly ridiculous thing is an administration that feels they know better than the experts. The amusing thing is the administration ignoring these reports and investigations and recommendations that come across their desks because they don’t match the lie going out to the public. You can’t blame reports when you ignore them and/or go out of your way to undermine them.
April 20th, 2006 at 11:51 amPlan? What plan?
We know these guys are devoid of reality.
And honesty and integrity, these guys chew it and spit it out because they are arrogant conman.
Rumsfeld himself told us it would be short. And Cheney, Bush, Rice, Powell, Perle, Wolfowitz, well, it was a matter of emphasis, to take us to war, for reasons I’m sure differ among them. They said it would not cost billions, that Iraq oil would pay for it.
General Zinni has said we threw out all the planning. And, “I think there was dereliction in lack of planning,â€.
These guys have gotten us into a terrible, corrupt, expensive, long war.
April 20th, 2006 at 11:54 amIf this was a plan, they should be fired from their job.
Rumsfeld is the absolut cynic . That he is amused by the deaths of americans and iraquis , the expenditure of half a billion in his misplaced adventure this is folly and down riight sick nazi arrogance . This is unamerican . There will be a day of reckoning and a Nuremberg type trial .
April 20th, 2006 at 11:54 amI’d like to see him interviewed by Maureen Dowd or Helen Thomas in a panel-type setting with Gen. George Shinseki and/or Gen. Anthony Zinni. They’d eat his lunch for him.
April 20th, 2006 at 12:01 pmI’m sure all the parents of dead military are amused as well, Don.
TOOL!
April 20th, 2006 at 12:02 pm#4 Yes the war plan worked great. Now we have lots of war. They have no plans for peace.
April 20th, 2006 at 12:05 pmdown riight sick nazi arrogance . This is unamerican . There will be a day of reckoning and a Nuremberg type trial .
Comment by Leoger
Yes there will be a day of reckoning. That will be the day the USA declares war on Iran and all the traitors working against the US and aiding our enemies will find themselves in those new camps we’ve built out in W. Texas.
The idea that there could be some kind of Nurenburg type trial for US officials, military or private individuals smacks of the One World Communist regime that the Transnational Progressives have wet dreams about. Here’s a hint Loeger, “We the People” and the US Military will never allow Americans to be tried by a World Court such as the ICC. Don’t believe it? Try it.
April 20th, 2006 at 12:09 pmI thought he was trying to say it was laughable because the plans go through so many approvals. Yes, this statement also says that he isn’t fully responsible, but I am not sure that was what he was deliberately hinting.
April 20th, 2006 at 12:11 pmTime to remove the tinfoil hat IRI.
on a more serious note, didn’t the original invasion plan almost stall until one an enterprising ground commander did and end run into Baghdad? Also doesn’t Rumsfeld have to approve the plans? I can’t imagine given his ego, that he did not insert at least some of his own ideas.
April 20th, 2006 at 12:15 pmpart of transcript………
CUNNINGHAM: I want you stay there, Donald, because I think you’re the best, you’re a hard nosed guy, you know where the bodies are buried in Washington, DC, you know how the department works. Normal Americans who live in Ohio, Kentucky and Indiana want you to stay there, and don’t listen to the clowns at the Washington Post and CNN. You know what I’m saying?
SECRETARY RUMSFELD: [Laughter]. Oh, you’re amazing.
Nice.
April 20th, 2006 at 12:21 pmMy grandfather, a WWII vet, who Rumsfeld doesn’t deserve to breath the same air as, has been questioning all this since the get go.
He is the embodiment of the BEST kind of “Normal American” - and in smalltown USA the questions are getting louder each day.
Yes there will be a day of reckoning. That will be the day the USA declares war on Iran and all the traitors working against the US and aiding our enemies will find themselves in those new camps we’ve built out in W. Texas.
Comment By I-Right-I
That’s right you nazi ****. Bring it on. But be aware, history has me enough to be able to promise you that I WON’T go willingly. We’ll see if any of you cowards are willing to back up all the hate mongering that you’re so good at.
April 20th, 2006 at 12:31 pmIRI sez:
… all the traitors working against the US and aiding our enemies will find themselves in those new camps we’ve built out in W. Texas.
Ahhhh, Pvt. IRI of the Dubya Sonderkommandos….
Cheers,
April 20th, 2006 at 12:36 pmI dont know if anyone saw the press conference Rumsfeld gave the other day but it was obscene.He was cracking jokes while the subjects of Abu Ghraib came up,the chaos in Iraq and the press corp for the most part was right there laughing along with him.
Words cant describe how low our country has sunk.These people are scum and most of the press corps treated the news conference like one big fing joke.Im ashamed to be an American right now.Hope I can be proud once again.
April 20th, 2006 at 12:46 pmThat’s right–GWBush, Cheney, and Rummy himself can do no wrong.
“The very thought that we are fallible is somewhat amusing.”
http://www.lcoliberal.blogspot.com
April 20th, 2006 at 1:10 pmGWB is drinking again!: Now on LCL
Amusing,no one but you is amused rummy, sick man.
April 20th, 2006 at 1:28 pmTHIS is someone who needs to resign ASAP! Scotty is small change, and a plump, sweaty sacrificial lamb… chop from the top!
http://blogdebogs.blogspot.com/ 2006/ 04/ libby-andy-scotty-its-start.html
April 20th, 2006 at 1:42 pm“You go to war with the Army you have…
April 20th, 2006 at 1:55 pmAnd not the Sec. DoD that you need.”
Napoleon once that said everywhere he went where there was enough water to float a boat, he found the Royal Navy in his way.
Everywhere the Bush Administration goes, it finds someone with the expertise and qualifications to show why the administration doesn’t know what it’s doing.
April 20th, 2006 at 2:02 pmThe word hubris was made for these guys. I mean, shit if you listen to Rumsfeld, he probably thinks he can walk on water.
April 20th, 2006 at 2:09 pm#30- “I dont know if anyone saw the press conference Rumsfeld gave the other day but it was obscene.” - - Comment by David
*****Funny David, I saw the news conference the other day….but you sure skipped a lot in your sketchy recollection. That was the news conference where Rumsfeld and Gen. Pace noted the “Monday morning quarterbacking” by a half dozen retired Generals after not mentioning their concerns in planning meetings, having their plans dismissed or having their plans partially incorporated. (See how much you missed??)
I read somewhere that President Lincoln had similar problems with a few Generals…Hmmmm….
P.S. You may want to re-think what you label as obscene….progressive credibility is not overly high in the area.
April 20th, 2006 at 2:17 pmP.S. You may want to re-think what you label as obscene….progressive credibility is not overly high in the area.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — April 20, 2006 @ 2:17 pm
You’re thinking of your credibility. It doesn’t exist.
April 20th, 2006 at 2:20 pmIRI sez:
… all the traitors working against the US and aiding our enemies will find themselves in those new camps we’ve built out in W. Texas.
Ahhhh, Pvt. IRI of the Dubya Sonderkommandos….
Cheers,
Comment by Arne Langsetmo
Nope, I’m just an investor. A company I have a steak in supplied some of the material the new “readjustment camps” will be requiring. Hint: It’s not A/C and not cable TV. I guess I should have said YOU are building. Your tax dollars at work and all that.
That’s right you nazi ****. Bring it on. But be aware, history has me enough to be able to promise you that I WON’T go willingly. We’ll see if any of you cowards are willing to back up all the hate mongering that you’re so good at.
Comment by Equality72521
Since when did the Feds ever care about willing prisoners Dillinger?
April 20th, 2006 at 3:01 pmYou are!
Comment by mighty aphrodite — April 20, 2006 @ 2:17 pm
No, you are!
Comment by unbelievable
‘Bout ready for that jello girls? Is black cherry OK? It’s my favorite.
April 20th, 2006 at 3:04 pm#38 - Bzzzz…Bzzzz.. Was there anyone trying to make a point?? Oh, no one important…..
April 20th, 2006 at 3:06 pmI-R-I - I love Black cherry or strawberry - but I think the unbelievable b*^ch will feel more at home in MUD.
April 20th, 2006 at 3:09 pmYou are!
Comment by mighty aphrodite — April 20, 2006 @ 2:17 pm
No, you are!
Comment by unbelievable
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Comment by mighty aphrodite — April 20, 2006 @ 2:17 pm
(Insert incredibly clever and witty repartee here).
Comment by unbelievable
‘Bout ready for that jello girls? Is black cherry OK? It’s my favorite.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — April 20, 2006 @ 3:04 pm
Ummm, IRI, you have a problem. You’re short one girl. I’m the only female in that equation. Unless, of course, you want to make it co-ed and wrestle me yourself ;)
April 20th, 2006 at 3:12 pmSo the criticism is amusing? Rummy and his band of reality-defying ideologues simply chose not to deal with an Iraqi culture and population that had been crushed under the foot of a ruthless dictator. Lots of us knew that when Sadaam was removed, old tensions would resurface, but Rummy chose to ignore the warnings. And of course the gang made matters worse by not having enough troops to secure the country after Sadaam was toppled, and then dissolving the Iraqi security forces.
The plan was a disaster and criticism of it is anything but amusing. It’s accurate and deserved. Anyone who is amused by the “implications” has no place in Defense, much less at the top. This man is sick.
April 20th, 2006 at 3:15 pmDear Beep-beep - Read #37 so as to expand your take on what others say….
April 20th, 2006 at 3:20 pmI-R-I - To get the unbelievable B*^ch to the contest, you might want to start practicing your swine call - Souie……souieeeeeee…..RyANNe’s “friend” will start waddling as fast as her fat, thick ankled legs will carry her.
April 20th, 2006 at 3:24 pmClueless is as clueless does.
50 Ways To Dump The Dubya
April 20th, 2006 at 3:27 pmDear MA… the proof is on the ground. According to Rummy himself, this wasn’t supposed to last more than 5-6 months, tops. We’ve gone a wee bit over that estimate with no end in sight.
April 20th, 2006 at 3:29 pmI think the war was planned perfectly. It is endless and it sucks all our tax money into the war machine. Really couldn’t have been better planned.
I missed the Rush interview - was he high?
April 20th, 2006 at 3:30 pm“A company I have a steak in”
Wow, IRI, it looks like those Republican-sponsored education reforms have really done you a world of good. Have you not gotten to the level where they cover homophones? Or have those been taken off the curriculum for including “homo”?
April 20th, 2006 at 3:32 pmI-R-I - To get the unbelievable B*^ch to the contest, you might want to start practicing your swine call - Souie……souieeeeeee…..RyANNe’s “friend†will start waddling as fast as her fat, thick ankled legs will carry her.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — April 20, 2006 @ 3:24 pm
I’m 5′-7″ and a Size 6. You? I’m guessing 5′-4, and a Size 36. I wouldn’t touch you with a ten foot pole. No telling what diseases you incubate in between all those rolls of fat.
April 20th, 2006 at 3:36 pm#47 - “… the proof is on the ground. According to Rummy himself, this wasn’t supposed to last more than 5-6 months, tops. We’ve gone a wee bit over that estimate with no end in sight.” - Comment by beep52
***** Proof and Citation, please!! I seem to recall both President Bush and Secretary Rumsfeld saying this would be a long, difficult war. I hate to break this to you, but THIS is a World War. You cannot make “friends” or “peace” with barbarians. Such agreements are possible ONLY when BOTH sides are willing to participate and uphold binding terms. How IS the weather in La-La Land????
April 20th, 2006 at 3:38 pmHow IS the weather in La-La Land????
Comment by mighty aphrodite — April 20, 2006 @ 3:38 pm
No one would know better than you.
April 20th, 2006 at 3:41 pmYeah, you miserabler piece of human trash . . . violent death is very amusing!
April 20th, 2006 at 3:43 pmI don’t think there was anything wrong with the “war plan” But as soon as the strategic locations were secured which was described by Bush as “Mission Accomplished” the “war plan” by definition was complete. At that point there needed to be a “Reconstruction Plan” something akin to the Post WWII Marshal Plan.
That is the plan that was not well thought out, no matter who you blame. This was a responsibility of both the Bush administration and to a lesser amount the Blair Administration.
The Pentagon and the military establishment is very good at what they did, which was win a military battle, which they did. They are not good at rebuilding things. That is where I criticize Bush, Chaney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfield, and a few others equally - There was apparently no plan at all that I can see.
You cannot expect the military to be good a policing. In the US it is unconstitutional for the military to be used for this purpose. So, there is no reason whatsoever for the military to be good at this skill.
That is the problem right now. Iraq needs a large scale police action, but there is no such force available.
Rumsfield & Co keep trying to lay all the blame on the military who have done a tremendous job, in my opinion, even though the circumstances are nearly impossible for them to accomplish the goal of “getting Iraq back on track” You have to give the military credit - this is a superhuman effort they are giving us, much the same as I experienced when I was fighting of the coast of North Vietnam, when I participated in Nixon’s “Linebacker” operation at the “end” of the Vietnam war.
April 20th, 2006 at 3:43 pmSize 6????? - in cheap clothes a “6″ is small and in better clothes you could be as big as a barn. SSSouie……souieeeeeeee……ta-ta, mudcrawler…… ’til later….
April 20th, 2006 at 3:44 pm1. It’s also amusing that when the U.S. military attacked bin Laden at Tora Bora that had 3 out
of 4 sides covered so that he and Al-Qaeda (read The White House covert operations group)
could find sanctuary in Pakistan.
2. I’ts also very amusing that the Iraqi oil pipelines continue to burn.
Case closed.
April 20th, 2006 at 3:49 pm1. It’s also amusing that when the U.S. military attacked bin Laden at Tora Bora 3 out of the 4 sides were covered so that he and Al-Qaeda (read The White House covert operations group)
could find sanctuary in Pakistan.
2. I’ts also very amusing that the Iraqi oil pipelines continue to burn.
Case closed.
April 20th, 2006 at 3:49 pm“… all the traitors working against the US and aiding our enemies will find themselves in those new camps we’ve built out in W. Texas.”
If we act like that, whats the point of even being America?
You DO understand that this America, not North Korea or China, right? You’ve heard of America, right?
April 20th, 2006 at 3:56 pmSize 6????? - in cheap clothes a “6″ is small and in better clothes you could be as big as a barn. SSSouie……souieeeeeeee……ta-ta, mudcrawler…… ’til later….
Comment by mighty aphrodite — April 20, 2006 @ 3:44 pm
Clearly you only shop in Plus Sized departments - for men - if you don’t know what a Size 6 equals in comparision to my height. Fat is not an option on any level. You’d know that if you were really a woman and not a weekend transvestite who picks up Good Will handmedowns.
Every time you open your mouth you prove yourself to be more and more of a stupid little boy. Grow up already.
April 20th, 2006 at 4:02 pmDBernstein - You’ve heard of Muslims who think the only good Jew is a dead Jew???? As my mother’s maiden name is Cohen - I am cognizant of THAT FACT…America, who in her generosity welcomes people of every religion and background, is being attacked and you defend her enemies?
April 20th, 2006 at 4:04 pmi hope rummy never resigns!! i hope the asshole in chief, never replaces him. he can only continue to fuck up.
April 20th, 2006 at 4:09 pmGenocide is amusing.
Killing 3-4 million Persians in the nuke attack that Bush is planning — HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT FROM AUSCHWITZ?
It is not.
America is not an animal. It does not have a single head and two eyes, or a tail. This plural society with its former-democratic government is not the result or property of the traitor and warcriminal George Bush. HE HASN’T BEEN TO A SINGLE MILITARY FUNERAL. Why should he? He’s too busy golfing.
Your mother may be a Cohen, but that doesn’t explain why you are a Schickelgruber, mighty.
April 20th, 2006 at 4:13 pmPlease! Someone tell me which is more frightening. That this egotistical, megalomaniacal, stubborn piece of debris would blatantly lie about matters as important as American blood being spilled….or that he actually believes that what he is saying is the truth. And how totally gutless is that he chooses as his podium the Rush Limpdick show, rather than risk the ire of a mainstream—(or sane)–audience? Like Dick “The Shootist”Cheney choose FOX “Pimp for Bush” NEWS to “explain” his shooting accident, this bag of crud runs to his own news pimp. God help us all. These idiots are destroying all that is good about America, while forcing “their” form of Democracy on others at gunpoint. To even think that a sane person would suggest that the planning for this ill-advised war was handled well merely proves that our Secretary of Defense is as out of touch with reality as his boss, The Great Decider, more commonly known as “The Smirking Idiot.”
April 20th, 2006 at 4:29 pmLets see how many more generals will speak out about this most blunderous of strategic military fiascos this country ever suffered, after Rummy’s comments percolate to the masses..Unbelievable!
April 20th, 2006 at 4:45 pmPaul - Your poorly held grasp of American history tells me you’re no mensch…but, I knew that….
April 20th, 2006 at 4:53 pmLook for generals’ comments. Yes, there was a plan, but he delivered 1/3 of the troops since the beginning of the war. One mistake.
April 20th, 2006 at 4:58 pm#52- MA
April 20th, 2006 at 4:59 pm“I can’t tell you if the use of force in Iraq today will last five days, five weeks or five months, but it won’t last any longer than that,.”
– Rumsfeld, Nov 14, 2002 Interview for Infinity Broadcasting
Actually, he is speaking the truth.
Their goal by starting war is not to execute some strategic plan with an ultimate notion of “winning”. The objectives of the US war apparatus are to use violence and terror to create chaos and destabilize other societies. Through these methods those in power use fear and patriotic jingoism to force people to accept tyrrany, while ensuring endless militarism, tax-based profit for Boeing and McDonnel Douglas, and Halliburton, and repression of dissent. It’s all about the money. Things are going to plan, as the continued destabilization of the middle east will allow more suffering, death, and open the window wide for a land and oil grab. These people from the “Commander in Chief” to every footsoldier that kills and rapes are all pure evil and will do nothing but perpetuate chaos, suffering, and terror. That is the plan, nothing more. Fine job, Rummy…fine job.
April 20th, 2006 at 5:00 pm67
You don’t have to be a mensch to disagree with torture, needless warfare, and the death of innocence. You just have to be humble enough to know your own humanity, and just enough to see it in others.
April 20th, 2006 at 5:03 pmthe war plan? what war plan?
a major part of the US plan was to invade Iraq from the north via Turkey, whose own legislators turned down bribe after bribe to let it happen. that left US combat army divisions stuck on ships as the main forces attacked from the south, further reducing combat vitale operations for weeks, critical weeks.
i have seen 6 year old retards play Candyland better than the US military enact their plan to invade iraq.
rumsfeld thinks the war is going well?
that is just plain insane.
April 20th, 2006 at 5:18 pmActually Bruce you can not be so humble as to lay down in the road in front of your enemies. It’s called a “survival instinct”……
Dear beep-beep - when I show you 19 references to support my premise, you’ll be convinced that Democrats are weak on terror and national security???? No??
April 20th, 2006 at 5:20 pmIn an op-piece in the WaPost yesterday entitled “A Case for Accountability”, retired General John Batiste said, “Civilian control of the military is fundamental, but we deserve competent leaders who do not lead by intimidation, who understand that respect is a two-way street, and who do not dismiss sound military advice. At the same time, we need senior military leaders who are grounded in the fundamental principles of war and who are not afraid to do the right thing. Our democracy depends on it. There are some who advocate that we gag this debate, but let me assure you that it is not in our national interest to do so. We must win this war, and we cannot allow senior leaders to continue to make decisions when their track record is so dismal.”
This is clearly a condemnation not only of Rumsfeld but of the President and Vice President, because General Batiste refers separately both to “civilian control” and “senior leaders” whose “track record is so dismal”. This would obviously include the President himself, since the President is the ultimate “decider” in all of this.
April 20th, 2006 at 5:30 pm73 MA
April 20th, 2006 at 5:34 pmYou’re changing the subject.
You’re changing the subject.
Comment by beep52 — April 20, 2006 @ 5:34 pm
He has severe ADHD and won’t take his meds. Not to mention the rest of his delusions, lunacy, paranoia, and general in ability to speak fluent English.
April 20th, 2006 at 5:40 pmSo sorry to hear that.
April 20th, 2006 at 5:45 pmYou’d know that if you were really a woman and not a weekend transvestite who picks up Good Will handmedowns.
Comment by unbelievable — April 20, 2006 @ 4:02 pm
That was funny stuff… LOL…
Now you know MA does not have a wife, or girlfriend with whom to go shopping for clothes -my girlfriends always wanted me to go with them. I knew their size.
April 20th, 2006 at 5:57 pmDon Rumsfeld is one of the Greatest Dirtbags in World History. I feel the capital letters are justified.
April 20th, 2006 at 6:04 pmGrgrrrrr - Unlike your girlfriend, ex-wife, or whatever, I don’t like Mr. Aphrodite to go shopping with me. I like to surprise him….he LIKES surprises!! Be careful when you jump in the mud with the “female mud wrestler” - I’ve heard she squeals like the pig she is…
April 20th, 2006 at 6:06 pm[…] Rumsfeld: The Implication That There Was Something Wrong with …Think Progress, DC - 7 hours agoSecretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld has been doing a series of softball interviews with hosts like Rush Limbaugh in an effort to rehability his image. … […]
April 20th, 2006 at 6:17 pmThat was funny stuff… LOL…
It’s like we always say about the truth and humor :)
Now you know MA does not have a wife, or girlfriend with whom to go shopping for clothes
I think it’s because all of his friends are imaginary :)
-my girlfriends always wanted me to go with them. I knew their size.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — April 20, 2006 @ 5:57 pm
I bet you did ; ) Plus, you clearly have taste. Your opinion is of value. However, I can’t imagine what Fredrick’sof Hollywood gold lame’ eye-sore MA would don. And really, I don’t think we wanna.
April 20th, 2006 at 6:21 pmBe careful when you jump in the mud with the “female mud wrestler†- I’ve heard she squeals like the pig she is…
Comment by mighty aphrodite — April 20, 2006 @ 6:06 pm
I didn’t jump in anything: I am a fan cheering from the comfort of my seat. I got my ticket, am allowed to.
Now if you would please direct me to the bar, I’d really appreciate it -I need a beer…
April 20th, 2006 at 6:22 pmUnbelievable,
Thanks forthe compliments. You make me blush like a schoolboy ;-)
April 20th, 2006 at 6:24 pmBe careful when you jump in the mud with the “female mud wrestler†- I’ve heard she squeals like the pig she is…
Comment by mighty aphrodite — April 20, 2006 @ 6:06 pm
Unlike you, Gregor has a spouse.
If anyone, it is you who should watch out, your jealousy is showing again. And it’s a very ugly sight. Like your upper thighs in shorts. Cottage cheese anyone? Gross…
April 20th, 2006 at 6:25 pmYou make me blush like a schoolboy ;-)
Comment by Gregor Samsa — April 20, 2006 @ 6:24 pm
Any time. That’s what friends are for :)
April 20th, 2006 at 6:27 pmRumsfeld has no integrity as a human being so this isn’t surprising. No matter how much he tries to rehabilitate himself, history will never forget him for the complete disaster he truely is for this nation.
April 20th, 2006 at 6:27 pmMA, you name the conservative site and I’ll go there with you. I bet all the men there like me better than you as well. You don’t scare me. You’re a between meals snack when it comes to debate partners.
April 20th, 2006 at 6:29 pmRumsfeld’s ability for denial is monumental. I think nearly insane, really. Rumsfeld came in and wanted a new faster, leaner army with quick strike war making. He was offered several plans by the miliatary staff which called for 300,000 or more troops and turned them down. At one time he wanted no more than 30,000 troops. Tommie Franks got him up to 150,000, which Rummy finally begrudingly approved. In addition to just the absence of troops, his post war planning was non-existant. The state department had meetings, which DOD was invited to, that Rumsfeld refused to let his subordinates attend. The meetings were about how to manage post war Iraq. Rummy and Cheney and Bushie all thought there would be cheering crowds and flower garlands, and Rummy said we would be out in “six days, six weeks, I don’t know, maybe six months.” James Fallows wrote a long article in Atlantic about all of this and more last year.
April 20th, 2006 at 6:59 pmNow, the SOB says there is nothing wrong with the plan, and if there is something wrong, it’s not my fault. Rumsfeld’s Fantasy lays out our current situation as Rummy dreamed it would be four years ago. Unfortunetaly, reality is quite different, not that he seems to have noticed.
Amusing, eh! I’m glad Rumpot can find something to smile about in this whole bloody mess he, Mad King George, and Tricky Dick Cheney got us into.
April 20th, 2006 at 7:12 pmAmusing is it? Amusing? 2500 Dead soldiers later and it’s amusing? Why you SOB, putting your ass in the federal pen along with the creeps you call boss, now that would be amusing. Hell, I’d be dancing in the streets.
April 20th, 2006 at 7:24 pm“You’ve heard of Muslims who think the only good Jew is a dead Jew???? ”
Comment by mighty aphrodite — April 20, 2006 @ 4:04 pm
hell, aphro - we’ve all heard plenty of CHRISTIANS that say the same thing…
April 20th, 2006 at 7:38 pmage old prejudices…keep ‘em going though - do your part…
Homepage archive for air america and progressive radio hosts, including Randi Rhodes.
http://www.whiterosesociety.org/
mike malloy show archive. Scroll down for “Rumsfeld on Acid”
http://www.whiterosesociety.org/Malloy.html
Rumsfeld is dubyah’s “Firewall”. Get it? Like his daddy, dubyah is going to say he was “out of the loop”. He’ll say he never read the torture memo. That’s what Gonzalez is for. Rumsfeld can’t go, cause how would Bush and Cheney instruct the new guy on how to torture? If Rumsfeld goes and the torture continues, that pretty much implicates Bush/Cheney. That’s why Rummy stays.
April 20th, 2006 at 7:57 pm“Our working budgetary assumption was that 90 days after completion of the operation, we would withdraw the first 50,000 and then every 30 days we’d take out another 50,000 until everybody was back. ( Planning for Postwar Iraq as ordered by Rumsfield)
April 20th, 2006 at 8:02 pmThomas E. White - Former secretary of the Army
What a Douche Bag
April 20th, 2006 at 8:11 pmThe Rummy/Bush/Libby Mantra:
Nothing wrong;
April 20th, 2006 at 8:12 pmIf there is, I didn’t do it;
and if I did, you can’t prove it;
Not that it matters, because we are in charge anyway.
I-R-I, Mr. Aphrodite just called on his way home from out of town - he said you were a clever capitalist. He thought you could have the gate at the jello wrestling and he’ll take the refreshment stand. He did understand my obvious reluctance to waste my time on the cruel B*^ch who would say such awful things about our loss. Practice your “hog calling” for the Queen of K-Mart. He thinks you have had ALOT of fun stirring the pot with RyANNe’s “friend”.
April 20th, 2006 at 8:16 pmAmusing? My God! Rummy’s smirking attempts at humor in this debacle are so inappropriate it makes me sick. People are dead and still dying because of the criminal lying and lack of planning. What an unfeeling clod!!! I’d like to see him pull this lightheared routine in front of the families of those killed while serving in Iraq. He’d be lucky to come out alive.
April 20th, 2006 at 8:40 pmOops! I meant lighthearted.
April 20th, 2006 at 8:42 pmDas Fuehrer is never wrong, only his incompetent generals.
April 20th, 2006 at 9:09 pmPractice your “hog calling†for the Queen of K-Mart. He thinks you have had ALOT of fun stirring the pot with RyANNe’s “friendâ€.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — April 20, 2006 @ 8:16 pm
I’m just curious as to how many times you will repeat yourself attempting to make a bad joke deliverable? You’re just not funny. Accept that and try something else. Perhaps shock therapy.
I’m tired of baby sitting for kindergarten, in fact. So, go ahead and keep milking your pretend tragedies. You’re boring and stale and I have found someone new and improved to spend my time with. Feel sorry for yourself all you want. I suppose someone has to.
April 20th, 2006 at 9:10 pmNoooooo…what could anyone say went wrong with the war? Give me a break!!
April 20th, 2006 at 9:28 pmIn the Army, I was taught that there were two basic steps in any battle plan. First, win the battle - second, secure the area and bring in the MP’s. Rummy ignored the second. If he had provided the post invasion forces to do it, Iraq would be pacified today. Making Infantry, Armor and Artillery act as peace enforcers is akin to using napalm to suppress forest fires. My experience is dated by 40 years, but it seems that 3000 years of human history still holds true.
April 20th, 2006 at 9:47 pmThe term ‘mensch’ has NOTHING to do with understanding US history, nor for that matter does MA provide any evidence of my supposed lack of understanding. He does present knowledge of HIS lack of understanding Yiddish.
But since he/she’s now decided to pretend to being of Jewish descent, he ought to at least learn the lingo.
Merriam Webster Collegiate Dictionary, Tenth Edition, says:
“Mensch (noun). See Senator Russ Feingold.“
April 20th, 2006 at 10:00 pm“If he had provided the post invasion forces to do it, Iraq would be pacified today.”
Had no intention of following that kind of sane battleplan, Walt.
• No sane government would put their troops into a theater, and then HAND OVER 380 TONS OF HIGH-EXPLOSIVES for IEDs, unless the true purpose was as it is in this case, namely a bloodbath, in order to instigate CIVIL WAR.
“There is NO MORE IRAQ. There WILL BE THREE TERRITORIES.” — H. Kissinger, arch-warcriminal, briefing his Saudi clients in early 2004.
April 20th, 2006 at 10:04 pmO mein Gott im himmel !
April 20th, 2006 at 10:10 pm#106 - Xlates to ‘Oh my God in Heaven’, if my Deutsch still holds. (Been ten years.)
April 20th, 2006 at 10:14 pmOops, 20.
April 20th, 2006 at 10:18 pmThat’s 20 years.
April 20th, 2006 at 10:22 pmThe end of the comments page prompts for a comment,but what good is a cohesive,intelligent post when I can enjoy the fractuous and juvenile personal repartee that is more suitable for a chat room? The more personal and frequent these tete a tete wars become,the less credible the posters.
April 20th, 2006 at 10:31 pmbush’s bane - Your # 110.
April 20th, 2006 at 10:55 pmIf I sparked this post, I am profoundly sorry.
Too much worry about Rumsfeld. Bush is the one we have to get out.
Rumsfeld, though stubborn and stupid about foreign affairs, doesn’t have his hand on the nuke button.
The simpleton in the White House has.
He is a sicko, a not-quite-recovered achoholic. Unstable. He has never had to pay for his multitude of failures. Dad and Dad’s $$$ friends have always bailed his ass out.
Now it’s all closing in on him, and you can see him getting more and more hot-headed. And no $$ friend of Dad has enough $$$ to bail him out this time, and he knows it.
The implications are staggering. So are the solutions. But we’re near the edge. Iran could tip us over.
April 20th, 2006 at 11:27 pm“Down right sick nazi arrogance . This is un-American . There will be a day of reckoning and a Nuremberg-type trial.”
Comment by Leoger
==========================
But after the trial & subsequent convictions, let’s get Bu$hCo to
the good part…
http://www.law.umkc.edu/ faculty/ projects/ ftrials/ nuremberg/ NurembergNews10_16_46.html
April 21st, 2006 at 12:06 amRummy is a war criminal, so whatever he says is tainted by his vulgar sinister actions! He must be forced out of the Pentagon and sent to the Hague to be tried and jailed for violating the Geneva conventions on torture!
April 21st, 2006 at 12:28 am“Rummy’s a rutheless little bastard, there’s no doubt about that….”
– Richard Nixon while President on Dick Rumsfeld
April 21st, 2006 at 1:15 amRumsfeld is lying. How many times did this magalomaniac declare he was reshaping the Army to be 21st century. Bragged about it.
The new military he was reshaping. Believing these people is now days a joke. Let them talk to themselves.
April 21st, 2006 at 6:41 amRumsfeld’s a Neo-Con so he’ll never admit he or the Administration made a mistake! He’s so clogged up and arrogant he needs a “lifetime supply” of ex-lax before he’ll ever get out of his “own shit!”
Charlie C.
April 21st, 2006 at 7:42 amDallas TX
What do you people care about bloodshed? You libs want us to fail, for you it’s good news when some of our troops die..
April 21st, 2006 at 8:12 amOf course there will be issues with the war when the media never reports anything good. I am in very close contact with a lot of folks over there, and now they know how the vets felt in the 60’s sad, sad. Nice job guys history will remember just who’s side you folks are on. If you hate this country so much by all means leave, but no you wont do that will ya? This whole Mid East issues is a reflection of Jimmy Carter that’s right Jimmy Carter is to blame, and of course can’t forget about Mr. good-time man Clinton.
Bad news for you guys, bad news all over the place, wow we have Wal-Mart stating they will be opening up 1100 more stores, wow I know that hurt, and also within a couple of months we will be in Iran ooohhhh, lookout doom and gloom!!!!
[…] From Think Progress http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/20/rumsfeld-amusing/ Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld has been doing a series of softball interviews with hosts like Rush Limbaugh in an effort to rehabilitate his image. On Monday, Rumsfeld appeared on the Bill Cunningham Show and had this to say about the retired generals criticizing his management of the Iraq war: […]
April 21st, 2006 at 8:23 amLet’s talk Iran shall we, they have been throwing jabs now for months. They are a real threat, they must be dealt with. I think even you guys agree with that correct?
April 21st, 2006 at 8:40 amNo I don’t think you do, see you rather wait until they blow someone up, rather than dealing with them prior, and even then you wont want to do anything.
In your eyes it’s all Bush’s fault, he’s the one that we must deal with, dude that is, in keeping with the worderful words of the great man Rummy, very amusing.
Personally, I don’t care who’s fault the plan was. All I know is that I now have two family members who have to adjust their lives forever. My brother lost a leg due to an IED and my cousin was injured in a humvee and lost his arm from the elbow down. Now you can say all you want about it was his fault or his fault, but none of that will get my loved ones their limbs back. Rumsfeld should be ashamed of himself for pretending to even care. Then to pass the blame is just disgusting. They had a plan in place for nearly 10 years and didn’t use it. They patched together a plan on the fly pretty much. I have no personal problem with Rumsfeld. I think he did what he thought was right, but in the end he made a mistake and needs to say so to the American public.
April 21st, 2006 at 8:48 amWar is never perfect I don’t care who plans it, It’s WAR, people die, that’s what war is designed for, and FREEDOM is worth it all.
Your family members Hollywood a TRUE, TRUE HEROS TO SAY THE LEAST!!
For the rest of you enjoying your freedom, ask yourself why can’t the people of Iraq enjoy their freedom. Like I said war is not perfect, but it’s better than living under the wrath of DICKtators……
April 21st, 2006 at 9:26 amThis is getting ridiculous. The evidence is so clear that Rumsfeld was too involved in operational planning so that he could use OIF to validate his vision of how the new, improved, transformed Army should fight. He used OIF to show those old fashioned Generals that HIS way would work. Anyone interested in doing research can, Bob Woodward’s book “Plan of Attack” offers a very good chronological review of how the campaign plan came to fruition. Rumsfeld claims that all of the Generals were in on the planning, but what he doesn’t tell you is how many times he sent them back to the drawing board to rewrite it. The initial campaign plan called for a prolonged air campaign similar to Desert Storm and the initial deployment of around 300,000 troops. Rumsfeld forced the adjustments to the plan untill it resembeld what he wanted in the first place. This allowed him to retain the autonomy to point the finger at General Franks and say, General Franks wrote the plan, and we gave him everything he asked for in the plan. But the plan morphed from what General Franks wanted into what Rumsfeld wanted through incrimental changes demanded by Rumsfeld.
April 21st, 2006 at 10:27 amIt must have been hard for Rush and then Hannity to talk audibly with their heads in Rumsfeld’s lap… All snarky remarks aside, it was their brand of “Cheerleader Journalism” at its most sickening. These press appearences do nothing to win hearts and minds. All they’re doing is preaching to the choir.
April 21st, 2006 at 10:34 amCJ since you like Bush and his vile wars for oil, then go join-up to fight in Iraq or the new suicide war on Iran soon! Unless you walk the walk and fight yourself, then if not shut your mouth on here, since many like Hollywood26’s family have suffered because of Bush & Rummy!
April 21st, 2006 at 11:14 amAll Volunteer brother, all. You don’t know me nor my military back-ground Jay. It makes me sick that people like yourself Jay, endore freedom from our blood! Actually abuse freedom, sorry let make that clear.
And I am sick of hearing war for oil, where is the oil, why are we paying so much for it, we should take it all, we earned it but we wont we don’t operate that way, and Jay since you hate living here why don’t you move out or shut your mouth on here….
Remember why you can bitch, and who granted that RIGHT to you!!!!
April 21st, 2006 at 11:28 amRummy is trying to do in five years what the Caraginians accomplished in 118 years. Iraq represents the second Punic war, Iran will be the third.
April 21st, 2006 at 12:05 pm[…] LINK […]
April 21st, 2006 at 12:17 pm…amusing, is it? Maybe to a dried up old fart without the brains he was born with! Although he’s one of the host of idiots in this administration, he’s still in a position of power that the American people let him have. We should not be putting up with him, or his minions — we should be impeaching and firing… and now!
April 21st, 2006 at 1:12 pmI say impeach him also,
He cost me my job,
this war for oil has killed my 2 sons,
and it left me home-less,
this President needs to be dealt with now,
before what happened to me happens to my neighbor!!
Sincerely yours,
April 21st, 2006 at 2:00 pmSadam H.
“#37 *****Funny David, I saw the news conference the other day….but you sure skipped a lot in your sketchy recollection. That was the news conference where Rumsfeld and Gen. Pace noted the “Monday morning quarterbacking†by a half dozen retired Generals after not mentioning their concerns in planning meetings, having their plans dismissed or having their plans partially incorporated. (See how much you missed??)-
mighty aphrodite”
Let me get this straight.You are comparing this administration to Lincoln’s??? Cocaine is a hell of a drug.I guess Gen Zinni testifiying
that we needed far more troops to invade Iraq was “monday morning quarterbacking” as well.
No wait, that was before the war even started.There is a pattern here but you and your fellow “dead enders” wont see it.Rummy is doing a heck of a job right?
No Rumsfeld laughing through questions about Abu Ghraib and the chaos in Iraq isnt obscene.Some tin foil conspiracy theory about the Generals are.
You chose your screen name well.If I remember correctly the lead in the film “Mighty Aphrodite” was a prostitute.You whore for this administration very well.How much do you charge?
April 21st, 2006 at 2:45 pmhave
HAVE U SEEN LOOK ON BUTTHEAD BUSH WHEN PRICE OF OIL RISES. LOOKS AT BARB AND SAYS UMMMMM GONNA GET ME SOME UMMMMMMMM. LOL
April 21st, 2006 at 4:02 pmall the traitors working against the US and aiding our enemies will find themselves in those new camps we’ve built out in W. Texas.
How ’bout this buddy. You Texans fork over the money for Halliburton to build a bunch of Abu-Graib style shit-holes in Texas. That’ll create a lot of service sector jobs for you and your cousins, torturing naked, blindfolded men. It’ll beat flippin’ burgers won’t it? You go man. Make your state proud.
April 21st, 2006 at 10:29 pmDavid - LOL - Your memory is poor and selective!
April 21st, 2006 at 11:34 pmNot surprisingly you are coarse and vulgar. Mr. Aphrodite doesn’t like to share - and besides I don’t go for mental or physical eunuchs - go grab a Playgirl magazine and pretend.
It’s simply amazing how many people still agree with this administrations plans. It’s down to 34%. when will the rest come around? They must be smoking the same crack as rush and rummy. Patriotism is one thing but plain stupidity is another. The colonist were considered traitors by the LOYALIST to King GEORGE
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