Right Wing Swiftboating Retired Generals: ‘Dangerous,’ ‘Encouraging the Enemy to Fight On’
Right Wing Swiftboating Retired Generals: ‘Dangerous,’ ‘Encouraging the Enemy to Fight On’
As ThinkProgress documented previously, right-wing commentators have wasted no time impugning the character and motivations of the seven generals who have spoken out against Secretary Rumsfeld. A new talking point has surfaced: the generals’ comments have endangered America by emboldening our enemies.
Conservative columnist Charles Krauthammer in today’s Washington Post:
[This] kind of dissident party within the military is alien to America. … [I]t is a disturbing and very dangerous precedent that even the left will one day regret.
Krauthammer suggests that foreign governments may “exploit” the generals’ comments to “force” our government to change policy:
That happens in places such as Hussein’s Iraq, Pinochet’s Chile or your run-of-the-mill banana republic. And when it does, outsiders (including the United States) do their best to exploit it, seeking out the dissident factions to either stage a coup or force the government to change policy.
Meanwhile, syndicated conservative columnist Cal Thomas charges that the comments will only “further embolden America’s enemies”:
By going public with their criticisms in the midst of the war, those generals are making victory more difficult. They are encouraging the enemy to fight on, believing we will ultimately surrender. There can be no good that will come from the comments of the former leaders of our volunteer soldiers, at least no good for what they once called “our side.”
Apparently, the key to defeating our enemies is stifling all dissent against administration policies.
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You know what would stop all this nonsense? If everyone started thinking for him or herself instead of looking to self-imposed ‘authorities’ to do it for them.
I know, I’m dreaming. It’s just that the spin gets deep, and smells really bad.
April 21st, 2006 at 12:31 pmi don’t even drink beer, but, i think this is worth a sip…
April 21st, 2006 at 12:34 pm
I got an idea–let’s stifle freedom at home so we can bring it to the heathens in other countries. We will just bomb that freedom right down their ungrateful throats.
By the way, Anvil–see you at the recruiting station. You still got one of those yellow “support China’s magnetic ribbon industry” ribbons on your vehicle?
April 21st, 2006 at 12:35 pmvehicle STUCK IN THE MUD:
Democrat: rock it back and forth and ease it out.
Republican: Put the F’n gas peddle to the floor, spin them wheels, and sink in deeper.
April 21st, 2006 at 12:36 pmWho knew that a life of service to this nation meant you surrenderd your First Amendment rights? Why does the Constitution hate our freedoms? Why does anyone think that Krauthammer and Cal Thomas have anything intelligent or worthwhile to say?
April 21st, 2006 at 12:37 pmAnvilhead: Why do you hate the constitution?
April 21st, 2006 at 12:38 pmRegarding this part taken from the article……”There can be no good that will come from the comments of the former leaders of our volunteer soldiers, at least no good for what they once called “our side.â€
I don’t know who this Cal Thomas is but what a doushebag. The statements by these generals and others has nothing to do with a hidden political agenda thought up by the Progs. Somehow the Progs brainwashed these generals into saying these things and come to “our side”. What crap is that? When something is wrong saying it is wrong means your not a good little soldier boy that does everything without question? These Cons really do want this to be a fascist country with them in sole control. Frightening.
April 21st, 2006 at 12:39 pmSOMEDAY YOU WONT HAVE BUSH TO PROTECT YOU.
Comment by ANVILHEAD — April 21, 2006 @ 12:33 pm
Thank God for that!
April 21st, 2006 at 12:39 pmSome idiots haven’t figured out the America won the battle, but has lost the war.
April 21st, 2006 at 12:39 pmSome idiots haven’t figured out that America won the battle, but has lost the war.
April 21st, 2006 at 12:40 pm#2
SOMEDAY YOU WONT HAVE BUSH TO PROTECT YOU.
Comment by ANVILHEAD — April 21, 2006 @ 12:33 pm
Like he protected all those people in New York and Washington on 9/11?
April 21st, 2006 at 12:43 pmThe only people who will be left to defend this administration will be behind bars.
April 21st, 2006 at 12:43 pmThe supporters of their cause, the few that remain will likely commit suicide in a fit of zealot rage so that they may live in the land of milk and honey.
Milk and honey = 72 virgins in Neoconochristofascist speak.
Awaken from the nightmare if you dare.
Apparently the key to defeating America’s enemies is not giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
April 21st, 2006 at 12:46 pmTranslation: “If only all opposition was crushed and we all wore the same brown shirts and armbands, we could have won this war.”
April 21st, 2006 at 12:46 pmSOMEDAY YOU WONT HAVE BUSH TO PROTECT YOU.
Comment by ANVILHEAD
Thankful for little miracles…
April 21st, 2006 at 12:46 pmGee, Anvil, thanks for contributing to our oil-dependency. I’ll bet that if you could afford to, you’d buy a Hummer.
If these courageous generals are not allowed to speak out against policy while they’re still in military service, and they can’t speak out when they leave, when ARE they allowed to speak out?
April 21st, 2006 at 12:48 pmThe generals are doing what they should have done before they retired. Georgie would not have listened, but a cascade of fired generals would have caught the public’s attention eventually.
April 21st, 2006 at 12:49 pmThe US is building four military bases as large as any in the world and a 104-acre embassy complex that has 21 buildings, its own water wells, an electricity plant and wastewaster-treatment facility that makes the huge compound completely independent of Iraq.
The military, congress and administration are waiting for a complete breakdown of Iraq, people and infrastructure. The US, in time, will rebuild their new commonwealth armed to the teeth and with a new satelite capitol.
The “news” are just noise making know nothings.
April 21st, 2006 at 12:49 pmRECRUITMENT IS DOING FINE. LET THE 20 YEAR OLDS FIGHT. IM ALMOST 31. THE ARMY DOESNT NEED ME.
Fucking pussy.
Pull on your bootstraps Francis, this is war.
-GSD
Yeah, Bush did a hechuva job on 9/11. He kept a room full of children at bay for 10 minutes and then flew around the country like a bat in a barn.
April 21st, 2006 at 12:50 pmAnvil,
April 21st, 2006 at 12:51 pmI think your caps key is stuck…just to let you know.
According to contemporary Republican conventional wisdom…..Freedom means never having to exersize your rights.
-GSD
April 21st, 2006 at 12:52 pmYou know, as a military vet I am seriously so disgusted with our government that I really am hoping for a civil war here in the states so we can take back our country from traitors.
When the time has come that people who have served this country with their lives for their entire lives are chastised, I think it’s time that the sound minded people take back this country from those non-thinking people.
When people support a man who has no knowledge of what he is doing and has failed at everything he has done, I hang my head in shame for this country. When they will believe and support this man over men who have served their whole lives serving this country is outright outrageous. What has this country come too when people choose a man, or a few select men, over the nation and men that have served their lives for this country.
I ask anyone who talks bad about these Generals to point out ONE thing that is false that they are saying? None of this lip service, provide proof! You can’t show the success of Iraq because there is none! You can’t show the success of capturing Bin Lauden, because he is still out there and YOUR president said “I really don’t think about him much, I’m just not that concerned about him”.
If you are one of those people who are calling these Generals as traitors or aiding the enemy, please tell me how many years of mililtary service you have that gives you the experience or right to talk bad about these men?
I await for your answer!
April 21st, 2006 at 12:52 pmThat’s right IronSkull, let some young kid die so you can keep your reservations at the “Hate everybody not like me” convention. At 31 you are not out of the woods when Bush flips again (and again and……) and starts a draft so we can spread that freedumb he thinks the world needs from us.
April 21st, 2006 at 12:52 pmApparently the key to defeating America’s enemies is not giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — April 21, 2006 @ 12:46 pm
Your pointing this out only emboldens the enemy. Traitor.
April 21st, 2006 at 12:54 pmAll dictatorships hate freedom of speech. However until our president’s ardor soldiers to fire on the citizenry, this country will have descent and maybe afterwards too.
April 21st, 2006 at 12:55 pm“By going public with their criticisms in the midst of the war, those generals are making victory more difficult.” Give me a fu*king break! The incompetent nincompoop chicken hawks lost the war a long long time ago. This is nothing more than a pathetic attempt at finding scapegoats. Their failures are always somebody else’s fault. That explains why they never learn – an essential part of the learning process is recognizing your mistakes.
April 21st, 2006 at 12:55 pm#21 – RECRUITMENT IS DOING FINE. LET THE 20 YEAR OLDS FIGHT. IM ALMOST 31. THE ARMY DOESNT NEED ME.
Fucking pussy.
‘Nuf said.
April 21st, 2006 at 12:56 pmOH REALLY ? AND WHY ARENT YOU HUMPING YOUR GEAR IN ANBAR PROVINCE AS A MARINE RIGHT NOW? COULDNT GET TIM OF FROM BURGER KING?
Comment by ANVILHEAD — April 21, 2006 @ 12:54
Pussy about sums it up. Illiterate pussy at that.
April 21st, 2006 at 12:56 pmCOULDNT GET TIM OF FROM BURGER KING?
Comment by ANVILHEAD — April 21, 2006 @ 12
The manager said he had to work an extra shift, but I’ll tell Tim you asked.
April 21st, 2006 at 12:59 pmI’m pretty sure Lincoln thought a key to defeating his enemies was to stifle all dissent against his policies.
April 21st, 2006 at 12:59 pmI am sure they (the write wing) said the same thing about the Gererals that spoke out against Clinton’s policies while they were STILL IN the service. Oh yah! That’s right they didn’t.
April 21st, 2006 at 1:01 pmI’m pretty sure Lincoln thought a key to defeating his enemies was to stifle all dissent against his policies.
Comment by C Storms — April 21, 2006 @ 12:59 pm
Yeah, for republicans stifling dissent is like breathing.
April 21st, 2006 at 1:01 pmAnvil,,,,
FOX POLL===57% say it was appropiate for the Generals to critize Rumsfeld…..Seems the American people are NO LONGER buying Rummy’s incompetence…Rumsfeld’s poor planning,,,,,,caused the problems that our Troops are facing in Iraq….I suggest you look to Rumsfeld for Aiding the Enemy….
The Generals served their country,,,,,,I’ll believe them alot quicker then I’ll believe ChickenHawks like Rumsfeld and Bush,,,,,,who have NO War Experience at all.
April 21st, 2006 at 1:02 pmBlah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
I can’t wait for the day when Bush is no longer “protecting us” We can’t afford his “protection” anymore.
April 21st, 2006 at 1:03 pmIM NOT IN THE ARMY — BUT I DID COME IN SECOND PLACE AT MY SHOOTING RANGE LAST SUMMER IN THE PISTOL COMPETITION. SO THERES THAT.
Comment by ANVILHEAD — April 21, 2006 @ 1:04 pm
And what prize did the carny give you? Kewpie doll?
April 21st, 2006 at 1:06 pm#2 – That was satire, right? Sometimes subtlties elude me.
April 21st, 2006 at 1:06 pmRecruitment is in the toilet. They do need and will take you. That is why they raised the aged limit and lowered the IQ level. You will be a perfect fit.
April 21st, 2006 at 1:07 pmIM NOT IN THE ARMY — BUT I DID COME IN SECOND PLACE AT MY SHOOTING RANGE LAST SUMMER IN THE PISTOL COMPETITION. SO THERES THAT.
Comment by ANVILHEAD — April 21, 2006 @ 1:04 pm
You should enlist. Right away. They could use a few sharp shooters like you.
April 21st, 2006 at 1:08 pm#38
April 21st, 2006 at 1:08 pmAnvil,
Wow, a pistol range competition. Say did you ever hunt deer. You can say that was some combat experience. I mean they do have antlers that are pointy and all.
Oh and your CAPS LOCK key is still on. The loudness of your words hurts my eyes when I read them.
At the end of This Week with George Stephanopolis (sp?), when they post the names of the soldiers killed in Iraq, Wayne and I keep an eye out for two things: the soldiers’ ages, and their hometowns. Most weeks, about 4 out of 5 of the war dead are in the 18-25 age group.
Anvil, you’re a pathetic excuse for a human.
April 21st, 2006 at 1:08 pm#27 – Dear Barfly – go have another drink. You might have a good “defense” for the “Islamic appeasement” crowd – if you can maintain a high BAC level, you probably won’t feel much pain if we are overrun by barbarians. Clever of you….
Zoopooper – I wouldn’t call 6 retired Generals a “cascade” – a miniscule trickle perhaps…but “cascade”? I don’t think so.
April 21st, 2006 at 1:11 pm[I]t is a disturbing and very dangerous precedent that even the left will one day regret.
I would respond this cornerstone of conservative ideology—updating institutions invariably leads to regret—is becoming a tad worn if that was indeed the intention of the generals that have come forward.
But, that’s not what conservatives like Krauthammer are concerned about. They’re concerned about saving face domestically at all costs, including the ruin of the people we set out to “liberate.â€
April 21st, 2006 at 1:11 pmSame song, same fucking verse. One of these days, I would like to see one of these “traitors” smack the living fuck out of one of their chickenhawk accusers. I would pay good money to see it.
April 21st, 2006 at 1:12 pmThe Kraut Hammer has outdone himself. Here’s my attempt at gutting the Kraut and his separation anxiety from reality.
April 21st, 2006 at 1:13 pmThe Rightwing is basically caught in the grip of groupthink, and it doesn’t realise that America is just begining to wake up to how much groupthink, and the inevitable screw-ups that come with putting unity before truth, can cost.
April 21st, 2006 at 1:15 pm#38 Did those pistol targets shoot back? No war cheering from you until they do.
Go to Iraq, follow some marines on patrol and cheer loud happy cheers for them. We’ll lay bets on how long it takes you to get fragged.
April 21st, 2006 at 1:15 pm#2 Our borders our wide open… Our ports our wide open… Parts of our country our falling apart and still flooded… Millions of people are displaced and homeless. We have ignored our own infrastructure for years. He has used nothing but fear to rule ever since 9/11.
April 21st, 2006 at 1:16 pm#1 is right, you need to take off the blinders and think for youself because blind faith will destroy you. We are occupying a foriegn country and people in the occupied country don’t usually like that, or put up with it for very long with out fighting back. I know it would never happen here because we would not put up with it at all. We’ve kick their asses long enough it’s time to focus our energy here to find alternative resources so we don’t have to be messing with other regimes so they will sell oil on our terms.
You sir are the same type of jackass who says that we’re fighting them for your freedoms and then you call people traitors when they exercise those freedoms.
You sir don’t sound like a patriot. You sound like a sheep being hearded.
President Bush doesn’t protect me the troops protect me, from him.
Dear Barfly – go have another drink. You might have a good “defense†for the “Islamic appeasement†crowd – if you can maintain a high BAC level, you probably won’t feel much pain if we are overrun by barbarians. Clever of you….
Overrun by barbarians! Lawsy, say it ain’t so! Shouldn’t you be putting on the houri costume? They’ll be here any minute!
April 21st, 2006 at 1:16 pm“YOU DONT NEED TO BE IN THE ARMY TO KNOW GW BUSH IS KICKING ARAB ASS .”
Really? Is that why we still are in Iraq for a war that “could take six day, six weeks, I doubt six months” (Rumsfeld)!
Is that why we have lost over 2,000 soldiers?
Is that why I am now paying $3.00 for gas? When before bush took office it was around $1.60.
Is that why I have paid more in Income taxes in the last 4 years then I ever have before, despite that I am suppose to have received these great tax cuts? OH wait! Thats because I’m not in the 1%.
And by the way!!!! You have no right at all, other than the ones that those Genterals have served to give you, to talk bad about them. You have NO (ZERO, ZILTCH) knowledge of what the hell your talking about!
April 21st, 2006 at 1:16 pmIts funny Anvilhead thinks buying Ford is buying American, wow this one must really be old and stupid.
Lets see….. buy Ford, all the steel comes from Japan, wiring harness from Taiwan, electronics from China or Japan, plastics from overseas, Oh yeah but its assembled here in the US by Americans. So are all the Toyotas that are assembled in this country by Americans.
April 21st, 2006 at 1:16 pmThe 6 former Generals: Should we talk these suicidal nuts down, or yell JUMP by saying nothing?! The 6 did the right thing for their country. PATRIOTS, ALL.
April 21st, 2006 at 1:16 pmAhh, the Mighty Aphrodite is here to share some knowledge with us. How many of the generals have spoken as forcefully in support of Bush? A mere “trickle.”
Consider aslo that 2 of the dissenting generals were former commanders of the U.S. Central Command which includes Iraq. Two of the dissenters were Army division commanders who served in Iraq.
I don’t give a good god damn about how many or how few generals criticize Bush- the fact remains that Iraq is a fucking debacle and you haven’t done a damn thing to make it better, you chickenhawk Bush cheerleader.
April 21st, 2006 at 1:17 pmThe right wing seems to forget that these retired generals are private citizens now, and are therefore free to criticize the government as much as they want.
This is quite an about-face from the crowd that was recently talking about how much the army supports Republicans, so we should support Republicans or we don’t support our troops.
Krauthammer’s punditry turned out to be wildly innacurate, so now he’s turning to comedy writing.
April 21st, 2006 at 1:18 pm#46
April 21st, 2006 at 1:19 pmMA,
That whole thing that Rumsfield saying that there are thousands and thousands of genreals and blah, blah, blah. The only thing that I have to say about that is if you take away all of the generals that never stepped foot in Iraq and then took away all of the generals that aren’t involved in combat or combat planning, than took away all of the ones that never had a chance to voice their opinions directly to the DoD then the small group of these 6 generals becomes pretty impressive. Save the spin for the ones that don’t think.
“Zoopooper – I wouldn’t call 6 retired Generals a “cascade†– a miniscule trickle perhaps…but “cascadeâ€? I don’t think so.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — ”
Really? Please enlighten me MA as to how many other times in history has generals ever spoke out like this? Please set us straight!
Also, just because other genterals do not come forward does not mean that they support the WH. I don’t hear them supporting the WH, and silence does not mean support.
April 21st, 2006 at 1:20 pmGeneral Dwight D. Eisenhower, President – Beware the Military Industrial Complex – guess Dwight was a liberal simpithiser too. Maybe you could go piss on his grave at ARLINGTON.
Don’t look now, but that All American Truck/SUV you have has about 40% Communist China made parts in it. Guess who’se supporting the Commies now…
On that note…..Why do any of us even reply to the trolls? I know they piss me off & my typing is quicker than my impulse to calm, but still. Let’s try to let them just be idiots. Why aren’t we talking amongst ourselves rather than grovelling in the mud with the scum of the earth? I’ll try if you all will.
April 21st, 2006 at 1:20 pmInteresting. He was a Whig/Republican. SO, it would make sense.
April 21st, 2006 at 1:22 pm#32 what Bar do you hang out at . i WANT to hang out with you!! :) ;)
April 21st, 2006 at 1:22 pm#59 I love that line about the thousands of retired generals not criticizing Bush. It’s hilarious. Next they’ll tell us that no civil war generals have criticized Bush, and Bush got more votes than Abraham Lincoln and George Washington combined, neither of whom have criticized the Iraq war.
April 21st, 2006 at 1:23 pmYeah but George Washington used electronic survaillence too.
April 21st, 2006 at 1:27 pmBig fvcking deal. Anybody can shoot at targets. They don’t shoot back.
April 21st, 2006 at 1:28 pmFarthammer is a bitter goon.
-GSD
April 21st, 2006 at 1:28 pmDEAR NRC;
CAN YOU SEND US SOMEONE WHO CAN THINK! YOU ARE BEING RIPPED OFF!
THANKS!
April 21st, 2006 at 1:30 pmOH REALLY ? AND WHY ARENT YOU HUMPING YOUR GEAR IN ANBAR PROVINCE AS A MARINE RIGHT NOW? COULDNT GET TIM OF FROM BURGER KING?
Comment by ANVILHEAD — April 21, 2006 @ 12:54 pm
Hey Onion-nuts. Guess who was agains this fools folly from the beginning?
-GSD
April 21st, 2006 at 1:30 pmThis amused me:
Did Krauthammer just call Bush a tinhorn, banana-republic dictator?
April 21st, 2006 at 1:31 pmANVILHEAD IS NOT IN THE ARMY, BUT HE DID SLEEP AT A HOLIDAY INN EXPRESS!
-GSD
April 21st, 2006 at 1:32 pm#60 :-)
April 21st, 2006 at 1:33 pmThe problem is that the political leadership of the military do not listen to the experts. They continue to degrade the military and destroy our economy at the same time. If george w. bush had told Americans, “This war will outlast my presidency and cost $10 BILLON a month for longer than anyone can imagine.” Would anyone in their right mind, other then the chicken hawk oil producers, have supported him? Of course not. It’s totally irrational. . . and the generals have no other option but to tell Americans that this president has and continues to make the worst decisions a “commander and chief” can make.
April 21st, 2006 at 1:33 pmBesides joining the Fighting 101 Keyboard Unit and having a stupid ribbon magnet, how have you supported the war? Simple question, let’s see if you have an answer.
April 21st, 2006 at 1:33 pmThey had no problems with the military complaining about Clinton’s “Don’t Ask, Don’t tell” policy with regards to gays. They have a problem now because the military is complaining about them.
April 21st, 2006 at 1:34 pmDRAFT REPUBLICANS.
April 21st, 2006 at 1:36 pmWHAT ABOUT CIVILIAN CONTROL OF THE MILITARY? IM A CIVILIAN AND MY OPINION IS AS VALID AS ANY ONE ELSES.
Comment by ANVILHEAD — April 21, 2006 @ 1:22 pm
Which would mean that the opinion of the retired generals, all civilians now, is at least as valid as yours. And since several of them were there and saw how disastrous the administration’s policies are, I tend to believe them. By contrast, you are sitting here in the USA all safe and sound. You are in no position to say that the retired generals are wrong.
Try to understand something simple: Thousands of people, some of them not even citizens of our country, have fought and died to protect the right to speak out against your government when you think they are wrong. How can you say you have this right if you’re not allowed to exercise it?
Rumsfeld supporteers like to put forth the idiotic idea that the generals should have said something when they were still generals. Some of them did give the SecDef the benefit of their experience and the SecDef overruled them anyway. Everyone agrees that it would have been wrong for them to publicly criticize the policy while they were in uniform. Now that they are not in uniform, are you and other Rumsfeld supporters going to tell them they can’t speak now that they are civilians? When will you allow them to exercise their right to petition the government for a redress of grievances? Or do you think we shouldn’t have that right?
April 21st, 2006 at 1:38 pmSPUDGEBOY…. ooooh ouch ;) !!!!!! your ascerbic wit continues to astound and please!
April 21st, 2006 at 1:38 pmAS IF YOU CANT SUPPORT A WAR WITHOUT GOING !?
Of course you can. George W Bush did. Dick Cheney did. And now you.
You can support a war without going, and I can call you a hypocrite. That’s the kind of free country we live in.
Of course, if you tried this in WWII, you would have been ostracized from society, spit upon, and called a traitor to your country for letting others do your fighting for you.
As it is, we just call you a chickenhawk for letting others do your fighting for you. I reckon you got off pretty easy.
April 21st, 2006 at 1:38 pm#14 RECRUITMENT IS DOING FINE. LET THE 20 YEAR OLDS FIGHT. IM ALMOST 31. THE ARMY DOESNT NEED ME. – NUTSHEAD -
Currently, the age to enter the military has been raised to 38. If you have a prize in pistol shooting, why aren’t you in the army already?
April 21st, 2006 at 1:39 pmI can’t decide what kind of sign to hold up at the Bush protest at Cisco today. Years ago it was just “let the inspectors stay in Iraq” Now it’s “No war in Iran”, “don’t spy on us”, “stop torturing”, “get out of Iraq”…..I could go on…
April 21st, 2006 at 1:39 pmmeg_mac,
Just pointing out the obvious. It’s tough for a guy named anvilhead to retain or gain new knowledge.
April 21st, 2006 at 1:42 pmThe recruitment aged has been raised to 42.
April 21st, 2006 at 1:45 pmJesus fucking christ stop feeding the fucking trolls.
April 21st, 2006 at 1:45 pmAs long as the military is missing its recruiting numbers and implementing stop loss and sending our national guard overseas, anvilhead doesn’t see the need to join.
#82 there’s no sign big enough for all the grievances we need to redress.
April 21st, 2006 at 1:49 pmThese generals, who now are mere civilians, started a civilian policy debate in the most political of terms – they called for the termination of the top civilian at the Pentagon, who serves at the pleasure of the President. Once that debate began, they became subject to the same “all’s fair” rules as any other political figure.
The trouble is, the Left doesn’t want a real debate. The Left just wants to listen to itself in an echo chamber. Consequently, these dissident generals – a whopping seven out of 7,000 retired generals – can say whatever they want, as long as they agree with the Left. No one is allowed to criticize them. No one is allowed to point out inconsistencies in their past statements or actions. No one is allowed to question their motives. No one is allowed to suggest that they might be hurting the troops, or helping the enemy.
And, of course, we have to ignore the other 6,993.
The only way the Left can win a debate is not to allow one. Well sorry, Nico, those aren’t the rules of the game. So either put up your best arguments or shut up and quit whining.
April 21st, 2006 at 1:49 pm#32 what Bar do you hang out at . i WANT to hang out with you!! :) ;)
Comment by meg_mac — April 21, 2006 @ 1:22
Thanks MM. I’m a fly; always checking out new joints. If you’re in San Diego bar and see a loudmouth in a straw Panama, it’s probably me.
April 21st, 2006 at 1:50 pm“It’s tough for a guy named anvilhead to retain or gain new knowledge.”
April 21st, 2006 at 1:51 pmComment by Spudge_Boy
****It’s even tougher for a boy named Sponge_Boy….
Jesus fucking christ stop feeding the fucking trolls.
Comment by Lollerskates — April 21, 2006 @ 1:45 pm
It’s Friday. Target practice free for all.
April 21st, 2006 at 1:51 pmThat is it? Weak!
Then you can never ever ever ever say that I don’t support the troops ever again, because I know for a fact that I pay more taxes than your dumbass.
April 21st, 2006 at 1:51 pmThese generals, who now are mere civilians, started a civilian policy debate in the most political of terms – they called for the termination of the top civilian at the Pentagon, who serves at the pleasure of the President. Once that debate began, they became subject to the same “all’s fair†rules as any other political figure.em>
Well then, according to republican rules, when do the smear jobs on the generals relatives begin? Hope none are currently in the CIA.
April 21st, 2006 at 1:53 pmThat would have worked if you didn’t use your pet name of Sponge_Boy.
You do know what sponges do right? They soak things up. In my case, that would be facts. You should have called me something else.
Another backfire. Try again.
April 21st, 2006 at 1:55 pm#78 – Try to understand something simple:
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
You’re too funny, Wayne.
April 21st, 2006 at 1:55 pm#95 Zookeeper,
Yeah, that’s what Jane says when I want sex. :)
April 21st, 2006 at 1:58 pmYou know what hurts or troops and aids the enemy? Giving them our main battle plan. You know, the one that has been blasted all over the newspapers, television and Internet? You know the one Bush and pals have been trumpeting forever.
“We are fighting them there, so we don’t have to fight them here.”
How many terrorists do you think have said to themselves. “Ackmed, we should go fight in Iraq instead of planning our next attack”
You republican sure are stupid. You are Bush’s base.
April 21st, 2006 at 1:59 pmI love how the trolls come here to whine about progressives whining.
And A**head…you said yesterday that the army was not goin into Iran, we would just bomb them. We do not have enough troops to be fighting in THREE countries, so I guess now you must join.
Oh yeah but you won’t because you are a COWARD!!!
April 21st, 2006 at 1:59 pmYeah, that’s what Jane says when I want sex. :)
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — April 21, 2006 @ 1:58 pm
Too much information Wayne ;)
April 21st, 2006 at 2:01 pmI love how the trolls come here to whine about progressives whining.
Comment by Jules — April 21, 2006 @ 1:59 pm
I think that’s the best part about them… :)
April 21st, 2006 at 2:02 pm#81 He, that makes even easier for EVILHEAD to join the military!
#87 You support the war effort “BY PAYING TAXES AND I HAVE EARMARKED MY TAXES TO GO TOWARDS PAYING FOR BUNKER BUSTING BOMBS. ”
Well, no Bunker Buster has been used in the Iraq War, yet, so your “effort” has been void, if any. In fact, your taxes are going to no bid contracts to Haliburton, who casually is paying a retirement to Cheney, actually.
April 21st, 2006 at 2:02 pm#98 I remember seeing Sy Hersh when he gave the report about how many generals are upset because we won’t take nuclear weapons off the table even internally. What the MSM forgot to notice was that he also said we already have ground troops in Iran.
April 21st, 2006 at 2:03 pm“Apparently, the key to defeating our enemies is stifling all dissent against administration policies.”
Well, let’s put it this way Nico, FDR would have your skinny little butt in Ft. Leavenworth 20 years for 1/10 of the content you’ve posted so far. You people don’t seem to understand the concept of war. It’s my sincere hope that the next president whomever HE is will start clamping down on anti-American fuckweasels that don’t mind at all they their “freedom of treason” kills Americans.
“Dissent” my rosy red ass.
April 21st, 2006 at 2:12 pmThe supporters and defenders of King George Bush II are traitors to America, so they can all drop dead for trying to smear patriot Generals who know that Bush is a dirty dictator fruitcake!
April 21st, 2006 at 2:16 pmI wonder if IRI would be so interested in a president clamping down on ” anti american fuckweasels” if that president is a democrat? I would imagine that he would be in leavenworth instead of Nico.
April 21st, 2006 at 2:17 pmWhy do you hate freedom?
April 21st, 2006 at 2:18 pmThe problem that trolls can’t overcome, no matter how much they scream. . . g w bush. Historians are already calling him the worst president ever…. Time will not be george’s friend. He can give ten speechs a day to his selected listeners and still he will be judged on his lack of accmoplishments. The man is a complete failure and trolls must attack because they can’t claim acheivements other than the very rich are now getting richer.
April 21st, 2006 at 2:18 pm#96 – It’s going to be a long weekend, Wayne. ;)
April 21st, 2006 at 2:18 pmI have never been able to understand how a citizen exercising his right to free speech can be considered “treasonous”. It seems to me that telling someone they can’t speak out against their government is treasonous, un-American, and a sign of cowardice in and of itself. What’s the matter? Afraid someone might convince you that you were wrong to support this president?
April 21st, 2006 at 2:19 pmYou people don’t seem to understand the concept of war. It’s my sincere hope that the next president whomever HE is will start clamping down on anti-American fuckweasels that don’t mind at all they their “freedom of treason†kills Americans.
Out of curiosity I-R-I, how does one win a war by maintaining a failed war policy approach? I am interested in learning how/why conservatives think appearances trump reality. If the dissenters came forward wearing little laurel pins declaring their support for the troops and stage pro-war rallies with a lot of flag-waving, would the dissenters still be giving comfort to our enemies?
Bonus question. If Rice and Hillary ran, would you vote for a third party?
April 21st, 2006 at 2:20 pm#108 I’m clear. She and some of her co-workers took one of their co-workers out to lunch today. And since she most likely won’t be back to the office until Monday, she won’t ever see it, because by then there will be other topics to talk about.
April 21st, 2006 at 2:22 pm#111
ROFL
April 21st, 2006 at 2:25 pmAnvilhead, it’s been said before. You, sir, are a pussy. You and your ilk are bottom feeders and I will laugh my Master Sergeant ass off when you either suddenly claim to be gay or run off to Canada when the inevitible draft occurs.
Draft the Bush Twins and All Young Republicans.
April 21st, 2006 at 2:26 pm“I HAVE EARMARKED MY TAXES TO GO TOWARDS PAYING FOR BUNKER BUSTING BOMBS.”
Seriously Anushead, you have to be the biggest tool that has posted to this site in a long time. Have you hit puberty yet?
“You people don’t seem to understand the concept of war.”
I-Right: The concept of war? Ok, I’m game, what’s the concept of war? I apparently don’t understand it.
“It’s my sincere hope that the next president whomever HE is will start clamping down on anti-American fuckweasels”
I-Wrong: What’s wrong with Bush? Why can’t he clamp down on us fuckweasels? Oh, that’s right, there’s the little incovenience of the Constitution of the US of fucking A that the has to contend with. You know, the piece of paper which grants us freedom of speech? You’ve heard of the constitution, right moron?
April 21st, 2006 at 2:26 pmAnd with your years of military service, you do?
Oh that’s right, you haven’t served, so not only are you NOT an expert, but you have no fvcking clue.
April 21st, 2006 at 2:27 pmUsually I-RIGHT-I talks about other guys asses. Now he is telling us that his ass is rosy. Is that because he has been visiting Jeff Gannon?
April 21st, 2006 at 2:31 pmThis is my favorite comment from Charles:
“If they felt so strongly about Rumsfeld’s disregard of their advice, why didn’t they resign at the time? Why did they wait to do so from the safety of retirement, with their pensions secured”
First of all, that is exactly what some of them did…Resigned because they disagreed and then, as a civilian, complained.
But what is even better is how Charles contradicts himself. He says “why didn’t they resign” instead of wating for “retirement”…Excuse me Charles, but when you “resign” as a General, it is called “retirement”.
April 21st, 2006 at 2:33 pm“a whopping seven out of 7,000 retired generals – can say whatever they want, as long as they agree with the Left. No one is allowed to criticize them. No one is allowed to point out inconsistencies in their past statements or actions. No one is allowed to question their motives. No one is allowed to suggest that they might be hurting the troops, or helping the enemy.
And, of course, we have to ignore the other 6,993.”
As I have already pointed out BSR, just because 6,993 other generals do not say anything does not mean that they support the WH. Silence does not signify support.
Please provide us with a list of those 6,993 generals who have come out and stood in support of Rumsfeld? Cummon! Provide us with a time in our history that this many generals have spoken out agains an administration?
Dont be affraid BSR or IRI, just give the list. Stop with the lip service. You have the list of the 7 generals that have spoken out against Rumsfeld, give us a list of those that support him.
April 21st, 2006 at 2:34 pmApparently the key to defeating America’s enemies is not giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — April 21, 2006 @ 12:46 pm
You mean like Bush telling the world that we can’t win the war on terror and telling the world that he really doesn’t care where Bin Laden is.
April 21st, 2006 at 2:34 pmHillary is a traitor and gets Americans killed.
Speaking to an Arab-language newspaper, Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., charged President Bush’s “stubborn” policies are endangering the stability of the Middle East.
The president does not fully understand the situation in Iraq and has no plan, Clinton told the London-based Arab-language daily Asharq al-Awsat, according to Agence France-Presse.
The Bush administration has not been “frank” with the American people about Iraq’s financial and human toll, she asserted.
The former first lady, whose remarks were published throughout the Middle East and Muslim world, said the “stubborn and arrogant” Bush administration has refused to admit mistakes which are endangering the lives of Iraqis and American soldiers and threatening stability in the region.
Clinton told the paper, according to AFP, the U.S. is in trouble because it can’t abandon Iraq but is unable to provide the necessary manpower to run the country because of its inability to garner international support.
After a December visit to Baghdad during which she sharply criticized the Bush administration, Clinton was accused of giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
Clinton insisted she had come to Iraq to tell the troops “Americans are proud” of them, but she said back home “many question the administration’s policies.”
She then criticized President Bush for having been “obsessed with Saddam Hussein for more than a decade.”
Al-Jazeera, the Qatar-based satellite news channel, broadcast her remarks immediately in Arabic translation.
The network also gave prominent play to comments by her traveling companion, Democratic Sen. Jack Reed of Rhode Island, who said the administration’s justification for the war was “tenuous at best” and Americans “could look back and see the decision to attack Iraq was one that ended up being very, very costly.”
Former police captain Anwar Ibrahim, Iraq’s deputy minister of interior, was asked about the effect of earlier blasts against U.S. leadership by Democratic presidential contenders.
“Our enemies all have satellite television and they are watching,” Ibrahim said, according to New York City police commissioner Bernard Kerik. “When they hear this kind of thing, they think they are winning.”
April 21st, 2006 at 2:35 pmI-RIGHT: Dear moron, you are changing the subject.
April 21st, 2006 at 2:36 pmIM NOT IN THE ARMY — BUT I DID COME IN SECOND PLACE AT MY SHOOTING RANGE LAST SUMMER IN THE PISTOL COMPETITION. SO THERES THAT.
Comment by ANVILHEAD — April 21, 2006 @ 1:04 pm
BB pistols don’t count.
April 21st, 2006 at 2:38 pmLet’s do some math.
Iran hated Saddam.
Iran hated the Taliban.
Iran is our enemy.
By taking out Saddam and the Taliban, George Bush and friend AIDED THE ENEMY.
WAKE UP YOU MORONS.
April 21st, 2006 at 2:40 pmHow do you know when your own ass is rosy?
April 21st, 2006 at 2:40 pm#60 – “Really? Please enlighten me MA as to how many other times in history has generals ever spoke out like this? Please set us straight!
Also, just because other genterals do not come forward does not mean that they support the WH. I don’t hear them supporting the WH, and silence does not mean support.” Remove Bush
****Really! 6 ain’t a cascade no matter how you try to spin it. Your supposition of what other might possibly think is an indication of …nothing. I guess your “argument” means nothing.
April 21st, 2006 at 2:41 pm“How do you know when your own ass is rosy?”
1. You stare at your naked ass in the mirror alot?
2. You visit a dominatrix regularly because you are a bad boy?
3. You have a bad rash?
Not sure?
April 21st, 2006 at 2:42 pmRecruitment is in the toilet. They do need and will take you. That is why they raised the aged limit and lowered the IQ level. You will be a perfect fit.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — April 21, 2006 @ 1:07 pm
I think that’s why Bush included a provision in the No Child Left Behind Act that requires local schools to provide student information (name, address, etc.) to the military for recruitment activities. Military recruitment and improving education have nothing to do with each other. This is a contingency plan, if you will. He new a war or 3 was coming, so this can only help round up warm bodies.
April 21st, 2006 at 2:43 pmIRI… i think they all watch American Idol. you know your favorite tv program??
April 21st, 2006 at 2:43 pmI guess quoting someone who shares your opinion means that whatever you say is correct.
April 21st, 2006 at 2:44 pmWhere is that long list of retired generals that support Rummy?
Dang crickets……
April 21st, 2006 at 2:46 pmThe problem is that the political leadership of the military do not listen to the experts.
One of our founding principles is civilian control of the military. Jefferson even opposed appropriations for standing armies and navies, a policy that eventually led to war. Today, polls show that a majority of Democrats prefer to have the military in control of itself. That’s just one more reason we should never trust them with power.
April 21st, 2006 at 2:46 pmPost 124 I-R-I sits naked over a mirror on the floor to see his ass I guess > lol. He seems to have a fixation on male asses which means he dreams of Gay sex, but denies it like Bush does!
April 21st, 2006 at 2:47 pm“****Really! 6 ain’t a cascade no matter how you try to spin it. Your supposition of what other might possibly think is an indication of …nothing. I guess your “argument†means nothing.”
MA, I noticed that you failed to provide a time in history that this many generals have spoken out at an Administration.
Cummon! Provide a time when this has happened like it is now! If this is not anything special, you should have 10’s or 100’s of examples to provide to us.
ENLIGHTEN US!
April 21st, 2006 at 2:48 pm“polls show that a majority of Democrats prefer to have the military in control of itself.”
BSR: Please point to this poll.
April 21st, 2006 at 2:48 pmIs it treason yet? Oh yeah, it certainly is and it’s making my stock in ACME Hemp and RazorWire Ltd. look better all the time. It won’t be long before you ratbastards will not be allowed to hind behind your twisted concept of patriotism and the First Amendment. I blame McCarthy for putting himself ahead of his country and blowing the chance he had to rid this nation of your ratbastard communist grandfathers and grandmothers.
Is It Treason Yet?
By Joe Mariani
December 9, 2005
Treason is defined, in part, as “giving aid and comfort” to the enemies of the United States, according to the Constitution (Article III, Section 3) (web site) and the United States Code (Title 18, Part I, Chapter 115, Section 2381). (web site) Yet the Constitution also states, in the First Amendment, (web site) that “Congress shall make no law … abridging the freedom of speech.” How do we distinguish between free speech and treason? Where do we draw the line? The answer may be found using that least-used resource: common sense.
I would submit that the elected leaders of this country have more responsibility than the rest of us to ensure that they give no aid and comfort to the enemy in time of war. With American troops risking their lives in daily battle on behalf of the nation, critical words from those in leadership positions carry greater weight than in peacetime, both with the enemy and with our own troops.
Yet the leaders of the Democratic Party consistently attack the war in Iraq with lies, from distorting the history of our confrontation with Saddam Hussein, (web site) to prevaricating about their own statements which led us to war, (web site) to defaming the character of every member of the Bush administration in turn. Worst of all, however, is the slander they spread about our troops.
The Chairman of the Democratic party, Howard Dean, said during a radio interview on 6 December (web site) that the “idea that we’re going to win the war in Iraq is an idea which is just plain wrong.” Does this statement not give “aid and comfort” to the enemy? The leader of a major political party, to which nearly half of all Americans belong, is telling the terrorists and insurgents in Iraq that they will win; that they will beat the United States.
Dean also said that, “this is the same situation we had in Vietnam,” and in a certain sense, he’s right. The beaten, demoralized North Vietnamese leadership was given new hope by certain American politicians and the press, to the point where they struggled on until America’s liberals turned public opinion against the war. America was forced to withdraw from Vietnam in disgrace, having never lost a battle, by people just like Howard Dean. With his defeatist statements, Dean is giving our enemies the aid and comfort they need to keep fighting. How many Americans will die because of Dean’s irresponsible remarks, made only to seek political advantage? Tell me why that’s not treason.
Senator John Kerry (D-MA), the Democratic Party’s most recent Presidential candidate, appeared on CBS’ “Face the Nation” on 4 December (web site) to deface the American military. Speaking to interviewer Bob Schieffer, Kerry said that “there is no reason, Bob, that young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children, you know, women, breaking sort of the customs of the — of — the historical customs, religious customs.” (And some people accuse GW Bush of being incoherent?) .
Does a United States Senator and former Presidential candidate accusing American soldiers of terrorizing women and children in the dead of night not give aid and comfort to the enemy? Just as he did during Vietnam, (web site) John Kerry is falsely accusing American troops of committing atrocities as a matter of normal course in an attempt to undermine support for the war among Americans. As a consequence — intended or not — he is yet again handing America’s enemies an immense propaganda victory. How many potential terrorists will have their hatred of Americans fueled by Kerry’s matter-of-fact statement that American soldiers are terrorising women and children in their homes at night, breaking cultural and religious taboos? Tell me why that’s not treason.
House Minority Leader (Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) fully supports and endorses the recent statements of Representative John Murtha (D-PA), the ranking Democrat on the House Appropriations Defense Subcommittee. Murtha has made a big splash among the anti-war faction by calling for an immediate — within six months — pullout from Iraq. On 1 December, Murtha told a group of leading Pennsylvania citizens (web site) that America would be forced to abandon Iraq within a year because the troops are “broken, worn out” and “living hand to mouth.” Murtha is hailed as a hero in the media for suddenly changing his mind about the war in Iraq, but called it “unwinnable” and stated that “we cannot prevail… with the policy we have today,” while urging President Bush to send even more troops in May 2004. (web site)
What a burst of enthusiasm Murtha’s words must have engendered among our enemies! How much hope will they take from his proclamation that they are, in fact, winning the war? Despite fantastic losses, and despite earning the enmity of the Iraqi people, the terrorists and Saddam supporters in Iraq can now believe that if they just find the strength to hold on a little longer, they can push the hated United States out of Iraq. How many of the enemy will fight rather than surrender, because Pelosi and Murtha have told them they’re winning? How does that not give the enemy aid and comfort? Is that not treason?
(Not all Democrats follow the defeatist, destructive path of their leaders. But those ARE their leaders — the Chairman of their party, their most recent Presidential candidate, their party leader in the House of Representatives. Some Democrat politicians have repudiated the statements of Dean, Kerry, Pelosi, Murtha and the rest… not because those remarks were vile, untrue and treasonous, but because the Democrats are afraid such openly anti-American statements might “harm efforts to win control of Congress next year,” according to the Washington Post. (web site) The only way they can regain power is to hide their true feelings, and they know it. Treason, it seems, is still considered malapropos by some Democrats.
But not all.
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Joe Mariani is a computer consultant born and raised in New Jersey. He now lives in Pennsylvania, where the gun laws are less restrictive and taxes are lower. Joe always thought of himself as politically neutral until he saw how far left the left had really gone after 9/11. His essays and links to articles are available at http://www.guardianwatchblog.com/
Wait until I find the stories about the Donk congresscritters that went hat in hand to Saddam to apologize to him for kicking his ass out of Kuwait and making it difficult to re supply his mass murdering army. I’ll post more reasons why Left Wing Fucktards are traitors and how it is exactly I-RIGHT-I stands to gain financially from that fact.
April 21st, 2006 at 2:48 pmSection 9528 of No Child Left Behind was designed as a recruiting tool, because Bush knew none of his base has the balls to join the military.
April 21st, 2006 at 2:48 pm#124 – All Gumbies know their asses are rosy, that’s why their brains hurt.
April 21st, 2006 at 2:49 pmfrom an article in ‘The Sun’
When Saddam came to power the US gave him a long list of ‘communists
eliminate.He got rid of a number of them and slowly ingratiated himself to western powers, particularly the US.Later through go-betweens Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld-who are now respectively vice president and secretary of defense-the US supported Sadaam in his war against Iran.But there is no way to switch off a tyrant like Saddam and he eventually started to cause trouble where we didnt want him too.
so for us to claim we had nothing to do with his tyranny is ludicrous.
on the contrary we knew everything he was doing,but as long as it was considered in our interest to let him do it ,we looked the other way.
WHO IS AIDING AND ABETTING WHO??????
April 21st, 2006 at 2:50 pmWhat poll? Proof? Link?
Or truly just more blather.
April 21st, 2006 at 2:50 pm“I have never been able to understand how a citizen exercising his right to free speech can be considered “treasonousâ€.” – comment by Wayne
****I understand your point. But rules are different in war time. I refer you to Lincoln’s suspension of habeus corpus during the Civil War.
As I see it, when an American says or does something that can be EXPLOITED by the enemy to emboldened enemy comabatants resulting in stepped up attacks and deaths of American service personnel, that is giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
A prime example is the perception many Americans have of a certain has-been Hollywood personality. When she went to Hanoi during the Viet Nam War, her statements and photos were used to inflate the pysche of the enemy NVA and deflate the morale of US troops. The washed up B*^ch should have been tried for treason – before they shot her…..
April 21st, 2006 at 2:50 pm#131: I’m really not familiar with the poll you are speaking about which says that Democrats prefer that the military is in charge of itself. Help me out with this one. Personally, I prefer civilian control. Sounds to me like you are making up shit.
April 21st, 2006 at 2:51 pm[...] Conservative columnists are outraged–outraged!–that people with intricate knowledge of the military, that is, former generals, are daring to use their knowledge to criticize its current operation, both in the military and the civilian sense. You see, they’re emboldening the enemy you unpatriotic, commy-worshipping bastards! Says Krauthammer: That happens in places such as Hussein’s Iraq, Pinochet’s Chile or your run-of-the-mill banana republic. And when it does, outsiders (including the United States) do their best to exploit it, seeking out the dissident factions to either stage a coup or force the government to change policy. [...]
April 21st, 2006 at 2:52 pmI-RIGHT-I is investing in hemp. How very hippy and liberal of you.
“Smoke up Johnny!”
April 21st, 2006 at 2:52 pmI-R-I, are you going to answer my questions on #110?
So you quoted Clinton. Okay, I’ll ask again. If she criticizes the policies of this administration while waving a flag, does it stop insurgents from believing they’re winning the fight?
Is this Marine Corps veteran giving aid and comfort to the enemy?
April 21st, 2006 at 2:53 pm
“I-R-I, are you going to answer my questions on #110?”
I think we are all waiting for IRI to answer the questions asked of him. But he cannot, so he will continue to ignore us. Moron Troll.
April 21st, 2006 at 2:54 pmYea! Another republican that took away the people’s rights. Good pull, but I wouldn’t try to use it as ammunition as he was one of you guys.
April 21st, 2006 at 2:55 pm“Another republican that took away the people’s rights.”
But they don’t think of Lincoln as a Republican because he freed the slaves.
April 21st, 2006 at 2:58 pmA civil war president? Now who has a pre-9/11 view of the world?
April 21st, 2006 at 2:58 pmYea! Now we get to fight all of our enemies in the middle east.
Yahoo! News
Arpil 21, 2006
Mideast ‘axis’ forms against West
I am sure this is Bill Clinton’s fault or the left.
I am sure it has nothing to do with Bush or our fvcked up foriegn policies.
April 21st, 2006 at 2:58 pmI should add that I’d be less critical of Bush apologists if the administration had any inclination of correcting its military missteps. As it is, we know the White House’s MO for political purposes is admit no mistake. Unfortunately a war hasn’t modified that MO. As far as I’m concerned if anyone is giving aid and comfort to the enemy it is the administration for dooming the careers of top brass like Shinseki for daring to speak out against Rumsfeld’s vision. They’re responsible for unnecessary deaths of our troops and a prolonged, unwelcome stay for the military in the desert.
April 21st, 2006 at 2:59 pmOh, so freeing the slaves to stop the South’s crazy antics makes Lincoln a liberal pot smoking hippy Democrat?
April 21st, 2006 at 3:01 pm#140 ma,
With all due respect before I leave for the weekend, I don’t buy that “in war time” crap. One of the main reasons that we liberals are speaking out against this war in Iraq is precisely because we feel that the president misled the American people about the danger Iraq posed to us. We do not feel that the justification is there to do what we did. And we do not accept the dismantling of our civil liberties in the name of “national security” just because we are “at war”.
When you let a president, any president, get away with lying to you about why it’s supposedly necessary to spend your money and kill your children, then you have not only the right but the obligation to speak up and say, “This is wrong!” But the real cowardly thing to do would be to tell people, “No,no. You can’t speak out against this illegal war. Don’t you know we’re at war?” Yeah, I know. We’re illegally in this war. And if you care at all about the US Constitution, you would be standing up here with the rest of us screaming for the President and Vice President to be impeached (in accordance with our constitutional system of government, something the President himself does not support.)
April 21st, 2006 at 3:08 pmAccording to the articles of UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice) these Generals were prohibited from speaking out against Ruinsfeld…
Here’s the articles:
888. ART. 88. CONTEMPT TOWARD OFFICIALS
Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.
889. ART. 89 DISRESPECT TOWARD SUPERIOR COMMISSIONED OFFICER
Any person subject to this chapter who behaves with disrespect toward his superior commissioned officer shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.
So why would they have said anything in uniform when they would lose everything they worked for? Now, as for those on the inside, they have NO CHOICE but to follow orders or risk all the years they put in for their commission…
BUSH IS AN IDIOT!!!
April 21st, 2006 at 3:10 pmIF these trolls post and we dont respond do they still get their money from the NRC??
April 21st, 2006 at 3:16 pmJust wondering since i dont want them to be able to pay for that frickin SUV they drive.
“Dissent†my rosy red ass.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — April 21, 2006 @ 2:12 pm
I think most folks would agree that a baboon’s ass is red, but spin it anyway you like IRI
April 21st, 2006 at 3:21 pmCentered on Iran, this alignment has hardened in recent months, analysts say, with Tehran shoring up old alliances and strengthening ties with countries (Syria and Iraq) and with groups (Hizbullah, Hamas, and Islamic Jihad) that share its hostility toward Israel and the US.
I am sure this is Bill Clinton’s fault or the left.
I am sure it has nothing to do with Bush or our fvcked up foriegn policies.
Comment by Spudge_Boy
The ragheads need to be taught a lesson Spudge and at this point it doesn’t matter who’s fault it is (cough-Carter-cough) sorry, got a peanut caught in my throat.
April 21st, 2006 at 3:22 pm#153 “According to the articles of UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice) these Generals were prohibited from speaking out against Ruinsfeld…
Here’s the articles:”- IraqVet
Just like those Senators who were forbidden to speak out in public against the violation of the FISA law or face legal action.Keep thinking we will bottom out eventually but we never do.
April 21st, 2006 at 3:23 pmJust wondering since i dont want them to be able to pay for that frickin SUV they drive.
Comment by meg_mac —
Oh quit complaining. I’ve a feeling a little walking would do you good.
April 21st, 2006 at 3:24 pmI-RIGHT: Dear moron, you are changing the subject.
Comment by Vaughn D. Taylor
Nonsense, for once I’m right on task.
April 21st, 2006 at 3:25 pmIRI…. you forgot Khadafi??? oh no thats right he’s our guy now!!
April 21st, 2006 at 3:25 pmif we stopped using oil, and built alternate forms of power, we would not be sending huge amounts of money to the ” ragheads” as you call them IRI. Seems to me a instead of making them rich, we should dump the whole reigion and become energy self suffecient. I think this would teach them a lesson. as it stands the US funds terrorist activities against itself everytime we fill up the tank at the gas station.
April 21st, 2006 at 3:26 pmPlease provide us with a list of those 6,993 generals who have come out and stood in support of Rumsfeld? Cummon! Provide us with a time in our history that this many generals have spoken out agains an administration?
Dont be affraid BSR or IRI, just give the list. Stop with the lip service. You have the list of the 7 generals that have spoken out against Rumsfeld, give us a list of those that support him.
Comment by RemoveBush
I know you’re not all that bright so I’ll keep it simple. It doesn’t matter what those six or six thousand generals think or say publicly. Why? Because this nation’s constitution calls for a civilian head of the military. Now, if you’d like to change that I think you’ll be sorely disappointed as those same generals that complain about how the war is being fought would be quick to trot your ass out in the middle of the night and hang you for treason. That’s what military dictatorships do. So, there ya go, now, STFU and get me a beer.
April 21st, 2006 at 3:31 pmWhy are you people spending the bulk of the thread talking to known trolls? Spinning of wheels is still spinning the wheels.
April 21st, 2006 at 3:31 pmHo hum. Note to self: avoid future arguments with I-R-I, an artful dodger.
I wonder if Bush apologists dodging questions now will be dodging the draft in the future. Hehehe. In Mighty Aphrodite’s case it’s a good thing Republicans think a vagina and pair of breasts exempt half the population from compelled service.
April 21st, 2006 at 3:32 pmSTOP FEEDING THE FUCKING TROLLS JESUS FUCKING CHRIST
April 21st, 2006 at 3:35 pmIRI…. you forgot Khadafi??? oh no thats right he’s our guy now!!
Comment by meg_mac
He’s off the reservation again but you know if it weren’t for that mass murdering thing he’d be my kind of raghead. Check out his all female body guard!
http://beautifulatrocities.com/archives/2005/02/gaddafis_amazon_1.html
April 21st, 2006 at 3:39 pmIRI… really c’mon!!!! i think you have rolled that Explorer one too many times and you are bitter about us that can actually stay on the road with our cars.. mine being 35+ mpg. but I digress. please stay on topic and stop slinging crap!
April 21st, 2006 at 3:40 pmSTOP FEEDING THE FUCKING TROLLS JESUS FUCKING CHRIST
Comment by Lollerskates
Translation: “I’M MELTIIIING, I’M MELTIIIIINNNNNNGGGGG!”
Shut up loser. Get with the program or go back to your DUmmy site.
April 21st, 2006 at 3:42 pmBack in 2004 Bin Laden stated he wanted to bankrupt America. See quotes below.
It would seem that by spending billions of dollars per month fighting in Iraq, coupled with tax cuts that Bush has given us, Bin Laden will get exactly what he wants.
Now tell me that this is not giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
The Arabic-language network Al-Jazeera released a full transcript Monday of the most recent videotape from Osama bin Laden in which the head of al Qaeda said his group’s goal is to force America into bankruptcy.
“We are continuing this policy in bleeding America to the point of bankruptcy. Allah willing, and nothing is too great for Allah,” bin Laden said in the transcript.
Source: http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/11/01/binladen.tape/
April 21st, 2006 at 3:43 pmbut I digress. please stay on topic and stop slinging crap!
Comment by meg_mac
You love me don’t ‘ya?
April 21st, 2006 at 3:43 pmIRI…. really get serious!!
‘More than once,Libyans asked me why President George Bush had chosen to invade Iraq,and yet decided to repair relations with Libya. Qaddafi is a far worse dictator than
April 21st, 2006 at 3:46 pmSaddam Hussein was,they said’
You know what really gives our enemies aid and comfort? Seeing this administration tear our country apart from the inside. Any enemy we have ever had is comforted by this administration and their ham fisted diplomacy. Our enemies, who the president and his simpleton minions continually say hate democracy and freedom, get the joy of watching democracy wither in America at the behest of the White House. They also get to see freedoms in our country eroded at the behest of the White House. On top of that they get to see that roughly 1/3 of our country will betray our ideals and the constitution simply to have things their way. Yep, that is what I see as giving aid and comfort to our enemies.
Hey Anvilhead, I have a buddy who is a recruiter, he would be more than happy to sign you up. There are two major division 1 colleges in the area and a multitude of smaller schools, yet he has had a 0% sign up rate when dealing with college republicans. They invite him to speak, they support the war, but like you they turn their backs on service. One of my acquaintances joined the navy after 9/11 he was 32 at the time. Another joined the marines after 9/11 he was 29 at the time. He died in Nasariyah (sp?) in March 2003. So don’t give me any of that I’m too old crap, just say that you are a pussy and leave it at that. I’m 46 and have probably given more thought to re-enlisting than you have given to enlisting, but I know I am too old. One more thing take a gander at the presidential oath of office. George Bush is not taking an oath to protect the American people, he is taking an oath to defend the constitution. Guess what? He is failing at that task and is actually committing treasonous acts every time he works to undermine the document. He is also violating his oath almost continually, which gives tremendous aid and comfort to our enemies.
April 21st, 2006 at 3:48 pmEat a dick.
April 21st, 2006 at 3:51 pmLOLLERSKATES… that serves no purpose! please !!
April 21st, 2006 at 3:55 pmMore than once,Libyans asked me why President George Bush had chosen to invade Iraq,and yet decided to repair relations with Libya. Qaddafi is a far worse dictator than
Saddam Hussein was,they said’
Comment by meg_mac
No doubt Omar is a lunatic but next time you see those folks ax them how many mass graves he has hidden. The fact is Libya is the least of our worries. Also tell them we’d love to go in and liberate their country but they are just going to have to wait their turn.
April 21st, 2006 at 4:04 pm#33
In fact, one of the greatest qualities of Lincoln was that he was anxious to have opposing viewpoints and sought counsel even from his detractors. Lincoln was also known to avoid cronyism and put in men in his cabinet who were formerly his bitter political opponents because Lincoln considered them capable men and an asset to the nation.
Lincoln also had several generals who criticized his administration. One of those, George McClellan, even sought to remove Lincoln from the White House in 1864.
“I knew Abe Lincoln (I read a lot), and you Mr. Bush, are no Abe Lincoln!”
April 21st, 2006 at 4:04 pmIRI… really c’mon!!!! i think you have rolled that Explorer one too many times and you are bitter about us that can actually stay on the road with our cars.. mine being 35+ mpg.
Comment by meg_mac
I don’t drive a Fucked Over Rebuild Dodge. I drive the biggest dang ricerburner you ever did see. 5000+ lbs and 310 HP of gas guzzling (12-15 mgp) 4WD Urban Assault Vehicle. The only thing missing is the .50 cal semi auto I’d like to have mounted in the bed. Since the Katrina “victims” hit Houston the place isn’t safe for man nor beastie.
April 21st, 2006 at 4:10 pm“I knew Abe Lincoln (I read a lot), and you Mr. Bush, are no Abe Lincoln!â€
Comment by SL Aronovitz
You’re right about that. Abe would send those Mexicans packing and I flat out guarantee you there’d be no Black Caucus in congress.
April 21st, 2006 at 4:13 pmWith humble acknowledgement to the original drafters, I present a contemporary revision:
April 21st, 2006 at 4:14 pm
IRI…. its Muammar Qaddafi… FYI. and i disagree. Did you get the point of the post? we did the same thing with Saddam Hussein. but then again if i ‘AX’ them it might put them to death. dont you see the connundrum?
April 21st, 2006 at 4:16 pmI’m not a guy, but isn’t the Explorer made by Ford?
April 21st, 2006 at 4:20 pmwe should dump the whole reigion and become energy self suffecient. I think this would teach them a lesson. as it stands the US funds terrorist activities against itself everytime we fill up the tank at the gas station.
Comment by Krazny —
If wishes were ponies we’d all be riding. We are at the very least 20 years away from commercial fuel cells and thanks to the tree huggers WE DON’T HAVE THE PEOPLE TO BUILD OR THE COMPANIES TO SUPPORT A NUCLEAR POWER INDUSTRY. So we’re going to have to start from scratch and build it again and that’s not counting the miles of paperwork it takes just to get ONE piece of new equipment certified for use in a nuke plant thanks to BIG GOVERNMENT BUSYBODIES.
In short, without oil this country will fall into chaos, poverty and civil unrest that hasn’t been seen since the Great Depression. Who’s fault is it? Why does that matter now? We’ve got to do what we’ve got to do. Fortunately Bush IS taking the correct steps (most of the time) Like it or not we are at war and it’s a war we did not invite and I don’t care who says differently.
April 21st, 2006 at 4:22 pm#153 – With ALL due respect Wayne, your argument has no merit as we are not involved in an ILLEGAl war. We are involved in a war you do not agree with, but the President utilized the accepted intelligence of the day, and relied on Congressional votes to re-start hopstilities with Iraq. After Hussein’s violation of the Gulf War Cease Fire, he should have been attacked IMMEDIATELY, but President Clinton had other political considerations – like polls.
You and Jane have a fun week-end.
April 21st, 2006 at 4:23 pmYOU GOTTA HEAR THIS!
April 21st, 2006 at 4:23 pmjust heard on randi rhodes show – earlier this week she interviewed the psy.doc. (franks) who wrote a book – bush on the couch (?) – VERY INTERESTING – she will play parts of that interview in “hour 3″ of her show – coming up soon – her show runs 3-7eastern time…
sorry i’ll miss it today, but i heard the original and it was enlightening, to say the least…
yep, bush is psycho – you’ll find out why!
gotta go – have a great weekend all!
A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
Which is exactly why the Filthy Left must be kept as far as possible from the reins of power.
April 21st, 2006 at 4:25 pmI-RIGHT-I, you may be the best example of why it’s so dangerous for America to remain the world’s only superpower.
7 years ago I never would have been caught dead even thinking such a thing. But Bush and you mindlessly reactionary right-wingers have proven that the old saying about absolute power corrupting absolutely is true.
Even if you have no moral qualms about throwing away American lives and all the civilian deaths that inevitably occur during war (which I assume you don’t), we just can’t afford another nut-job president.
We’re spending ourselves silly while the Chinese hold IOUs on us and save their money for a rainy day — which may come at our expense.
April 21st, 2006 at 4:26 pmHo hum. Note to self: avoid future arguments with I-R-I, an artful dodger.
I always answer non personal direct questions as long as I can understand it. It is often the case that coherency and reason are beyond the grasp of the typical leftwingfuckwit and I’m left scratching my head. Whadaya ‘gona do?
I wonder if Bush apologists dodging questions now will be dodging the draft in the future. Hehehe. In Mighty Aphrodite’s case it’s a good thing Republicans think a vagina and pair of breasts exempt half the population from compelled service.
Comment by Lesly
That vagina thing does seem to get in the way of making a proper killing machine doesn’t it? Hillary may be an exception.
April 21st, 2006 at 4:33 pm“With ALL due respect Wayne, your argument has no merit as we are not involved in an ILLEGAl war. We are involved in a war you do not agree with, but the President utilized the accepted intelligence of the day, and relied on Congressional votes to re-start hopstilities with Iraq. After Hussein’s violation of the Gulf War Cease Fire, he should have been attacked IMMEDIATELY, but President Clinton had other political considerations – like polls.
You and Jane have a fun week-end. -mighty aphrodite”
Thats right cherry picking intelligence and invading a sovereign nation under false pretenses isnt illegal.Spoken like a true Bush whore.
April 21st, 2006 at 4:34 pmIt is so funny to watch those who have NEVER worn the uniform because either they had hemmorhoids (Rush), got five deferments (VP), hid out in college, the ANG, or another country (99.9% of repuppetcans) or because “there were so many minorities volunteering there wasn’t enough room for a patriotic person like myself”- Tom Delay.
And for Charles Krauthammer, (a man who clearly has another country’s interest above the U.S. I wont name the country pssttt it’s the 51st state) and the rest of the 577th Chickenhawk Division to talk about generals GENERALS!!!
I have done two tours in Iraq and one in Afghanistan in the last three years, and would be going back if I wasn’t about to retire, and I was upset that the Generals were to worried about their careers instead of the Soldiers.
2300 plus deaths later they begin to talk. IT’S ABOUT TIME!!! But now is as good a time as any.
Gen. Shinseki (the ONLY General I have any respect for) stood up and yea he was retired, but so what he was (is) a General, he’ll do ok, and so will the rest of them.
SPEAK UP SIRS!!!!!
April 21st, 2006 at 4:36 pmMIGHTY HYPOCRITE…. i guess you dont bother to read previous posts so i will post in once again!!!
from an article in ‘The Sun’
When Saddam came to power the US gave him a long list of ‘communists
eliminate.He got rid of a number of them and slowly ingratiated himself to western powers, particularly the US.Later through go-betweens Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld-who are now respectively vice president and secretary of defense-the US supported Sadaam in his war against Iran.But there is no way to switch off a tyrant like Saddam and he eventually started to cause trouble where we didnt want him too.
so for us to claim we had nothing to do with his tyranny is ludicrous.on the contrary we knew everything he was doing,but as long as it was considered in our interest to let him do it ,we looked the other way.
WHO IS AIDING AND ABETTING WHO??????
April 21st, 2006 at 4:36 pmIRI…… i am sure you have a nice White cape and hood to go with that urban assualt vehicle!
April 21st, 2006 at 4:49 pmIRI…… i am sure you have a nice White cape and hood to go with that urban assualt vehicle!
Comment by meg_mac
Nope, that KKK thing was strictly for Southern Democrats. I do sometimes wear a golf cap though, does that count?
April 21st, 2006 at 5:02 pmIRI … ‘BIG GOVERNMENT BUSYBODIES’. ???? now that is definitely the pot calling the kettle black’!!!!!!
‘Fortunately Bush IS taking the correct steps (most of the time)’..
April 21st, 2006 at 5:03 pmcareful i see cracks in that levee you call belief!!
Whats steps would those be, that Bush has taken?
He has cut funding for alternate energy source research, He has fired scientists from government panels who were working on the energy problem, and his VP built an energy plan that almost no one but the oil companies have seen?
April 21st, 2006 at 5:10 pmI-R-I, Wow, I’m glad your arguments are so strong that you don’t need to resort to ad hominem attacks oh wai–
April 21st, 2006 at 5:11 pmFortunately Bush IS taking the correct steps (most of the time)’..
careful i see cracks in that levee you call belief!!
Comment by meg_mac
I am an outspoken critic of Bush’s failure to apply conservative measures to our country’s social problems as well as his failure in Iraq to kill the bad guys. Since I’m not a straight ticket registered Republican and because I don’t really care how much the price of gas goes up I can afford to be more honest and objective than most in my assessment of his performance. I’m probably one of two or three on this board that doesn’t have a political ax to grind with W. All I want are results. Oh, and the heads of the leadership of the Filthy Left in this country.
April 21st, 2006 at 5:12 pmI-R-I, Wow, I’m glad your arguments are so strong that you don’t need to resort to ad hominem attacks oh wai–
Comment by Lollerskates
Feeling a little guilty and stupid about the “eat dick” comment are you? Forget it. I have. You may proceed to dazzle us with your enlightened political and social commentary.
April 21st, 2006 at 5:15 pmIRI… I persoanlly hope the price of gas goes up alot! that will force people like you to pay more to fill up your Hummers and SUV’s. dont care if it doesnt bother you. just care that YOU pay more than me! and you will! but lets get back on topic okay. you seem to have a way of straying when you have no real response. and are you advocating assasination?? thats scary!! just kill all the people who disagree?? TSK TSK. you WILL be happier in IRAQ!
April 21st, 2006 at 5:20 pmyou seem to have a way of straying when you have no real response. and are you advocating assasination?? thats scary!! just kill all the people who disagree?? TSK TSK. you WILL be happier in IRAQ!
Comment by meg_mac
It’s not assassination when the government does it kiddo. Traitors should be hung. Oh, and it doesn’t matter about that gasoline bill, it’s pocket change and fully tax deductible too! Like my 5000+ lb gas guzzling Urban Assault Vehicle. If I want something that gets 35mpg I’ll buy a Harley.
April 21st, 2006 at 5:33 pmSo why would they have said anything in uniform when they would lose everything they worked for?
They’re retired, numbskull. The UCMJ no longer applies to their civilian conduct.
April 21st, 2006 at 5:35 pmIRI… what would those conservative measures to our countries social problems be? please enlighten us?
April 21st, 2006 at 5:36 pmWhats steps would those be, that Bush has taken?
He has cut funding for alternate energy source research, He has fired scientists from government panels who were working on the energy problem, and his VP built an energy plan that almost no one but the oil companies have seen?
Comment by Krazny
He cut funding for boondoggle crap that doesn’t work. I don’t know who he fired but the government has too many “experts” on the payroll doing nothing anyway and the energy plan (if there is one) is a matter of public record.
Bush has taken steps to bring the war against the Islamoheadchoppers and the Middle East Oil ticks who are trying to hold us up home to them. It was something that was long overdue. They. Are. Insane. If he doesn’t do anything else that alone will secure his place among the best presidents this country has ever had. Sorry but that’s the way it is.
April 21st, 2006 at 5:39 pmIRI … i guess that means whoever outed Valerie Plame is going to get hung! yeah!!!!!
April 21st, 2006 at 5:42 pm#188 – David didn’t get the Clinton, Gore, kerry, Hillary memo about the WMD’s in Iraq – I wouldn’t trust you with sensitive ifo either, traitor. Cleverly, David concludes his unintelligent argument with: “Spoken like a true Bush whore”….
April 21st, 2006 at 5:45 pm*****Dear David – You’re confusing me with your mother…..
IRI…. time to go…. make sure you drive that SUV over some protected dunes take out some endangered species or use it to visit some of the ‘wetlands’ FOUR!!!!
April 21st, 2006 at 5:48 pmMIGHTY HYPOCRITE…. please try to elevate YOUR response. it might make you just a tad easier to fathom!!
April 21st, 2006 at 5:50 pmIRI… what would those conservative measures to our countries social problems be? please enlighten us?
Comment by meg_mac
You mean what Bush has failed to do? He’s failed to secure our border. He’s failed to rein in outrageous Federal Spending. He’s failed to jump all over the Liberal Supreme Court who has destroyed the right to private property in this country via the eminent domain clause. He’s failed to cut the number of Federal employees in fact raised them by thousands and thousands. He’s acted exactly like a drunken Democrat when it comes to social spending and social issues. I could go on but I’ve got an appointment with a cold one. No, I don’t mean with Unbelievable.
April 21st, 2006 at 5:50 pmMeg-mooch, noted “Historian” stupidly asks:
April 21st, 2006 at 5:56 pmWHO IS AIDING AND ABETTING WHO??????
****Dear Meg- Mooch I guess you didn’t learn anything from previous posts – Saddam WAS THE ENEMY OF OUR MOST VICIOUS ENEMY, THE AYATOLLAH CONTROLLED IRAN. Your “point”, as well as the Sun is so stupid as to be embarrassingly ignorant. Mom and Dad didn’t pay for your education did they?
Meg _ Mooch – Sadly, you’ve not shown a great ability to “fathom much”. But to you and other Traitors’ I would like to ask one simple question:
When your words or actions or the actions of exalted Dem Congressional leaders, Murtha, Feingold and Kennedy are quoted (in or out of context) by Al Jezeera, Zarqawi, Zawahiri, do you feel a TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF PRIDE????
April 21st, 2006 at 6:01 pmYo, Mighty… that liberal SCOTUS…
Remind me who appointed 7 of the 9 justices? Thanks, bro.
April 21st, 2006 at 6:01 pmMIGHTY HYPOCRITE… the point was made by a professor with a PHD at Stanford University. care to share your pedigree?
and really i think GOOBER and his ‘Gang of Four’ are more often quoted by muslims to spur the masses on. probably much more than the dissenters in this country.
April 21st, 2006 at 6:13 pmiri….
‘could go on but I’ve got an appointment with a cold one. No, I don’t mean with Unbelievable.’
wow i could say something ‘really’ cold but not gonna do it! not gonna do it! suffice it to say you leave yourself way to vulnerable making statements like that!!!
April 21st, 2006 at 6:29 pmMeg_Mooch – Stanford PhD?? – WOW!!! So you’re impressed with former Stanford provost and current Secretary of State Rice???. Now answer the question – if it’s not too intellectually taxing, are you and your anti-Bush, anti-war “friends” happy being quoted in Al Jezeera and by Al Quada enemies?
April 21st, 2006 at 6:30 pmMeg-Mooch – No answer for US backing Saddam against Iran after impotent Jimmeh Carter sat on his thumbs following the Iranian regime’s taking of our hostages for 444 days??? I didn’t think so….
April 21st, 2006 at 6:36 pmMA, when, and what quotes were aired on Al Jazerra TV? Also if Al Qaida’s enemies are quoting the Anti-war crowd, I wonder what that means for popular support for the War in Iraq?
and lets see Reagan backed Saddam, until it looked like Saddam might succeed in conguering Iran, then quitely sold weapons to the Iranian’s. Of course good old Ollie took the fall for that one, and was promptly pardoned by the gipper.
I would suggest you take your blood pressure meds, and maybe have a drink. You get more and more incoherant when your angry. I am glad I don’t spend my life like you must spend yours. I would die by 40 or so I would think.
April 21st, 2006 at 6:42 pm#210 – Dear Dead aim Dick- Unfortunately, former Repub Presidents looked at judicial temperment, legal education etc. rather than politics. President Clinton did away with that concept and gave us ACLU’ers and Dem political hacks. Bush the Elder nominated Clarence thomas thinking that Dems would NEVER treat a black man the way in which they DID. Sadly their behaviour proved that Dems eat their own….Thank you GWB for Scalia and Roberts. Now let’s do something about that vile eminent domain ruling….
April 21st, 2006 at 6:49 pm#203 – “IRI … i guess that means whoever outed Valerie Plame is going to get hung! yeah!!!!!” – meg-mooch
April 21st, 2006 at 6:51 pm****You mean her hubby, Joe Wilson, ambassador extraordinairre????
Mighty Aphrodite who got her screen name from a movie about a whore,how fitting.
Im no fan of Hillary Clinton or Gore so nice try.At least President Clinton knew that invading Iraq would be a bad idea regardless.As far as whores you are the biggest one on this site.
You spend most of your time on a left leaning website spouting wingnut propaganda that a majority of Americans no longer believe.Someone must be paying you.Or you just arent wanted anywhere.Either way you are screwed.
You would make your skank mother proud.You suck up republican BS like the chrome off a tailpipe.She taught you well.Now go out and earn some money biatch Bush is getting angry.More posts about how great
April 21st, 2006 at 6:54 pmour President is and how he cares about the middle class and the troops and the environment come on Mighty Aphrodite earn your money…
MIGHTY APHRODITE…. you just dont read do you!! i SAID i think they probably quote
GOOBER and “GANG of FOUR’ alot more. so no it doesnt bother me when
al jeezeera quotes a dissenting opinion.
and as for the Carter administration… Shah was deposed, and seeking medical treatment in the US. The Iranians wanted to try him for the crimes he had committed there, but we refused to extradite him. So they took a bunch of Americans hostage. Jimmy Carter was working diplomatically to get them released, but Ronald Reagans campaign manager, William Casey was afraid that if Carter was successful, he might be re-elected. So Casey with with key Iranians in Paris, and offered them arms for their war against Iraq if they would hold on to the hostages until after the election. They did, Reagan was elected, and gave the Iranians military hardware (to include F-14s) as a reward. I don’t see that Jimmy Carter deserves much credit for the rise of the Islamists.
April 21st, 2006 at 6:55 pm#203 – “IRI … i guess that means whoever outed Valerie Plame is going to get hung! yeah!!!!!†– meg-mooch
****You mean her hubby, Joe Wilson, ambassador extraordinairre????
Comment by mighty aphrodite — April 21, 2006 @ 6:51 pm
Uh according to court documents, it was Scooter Libby via Bob Novak, or was it Judith Miller via Karl Rove? Hard to tell who is going to jail and who is leaving to “spend more time with their family” these days.
April 21st, 2006 at 6:56 pmMIGHTY HYPOCRITE… no I mean KARL ROVE!!!
April 21st, 2006 at 6:58 pmMIGHTY HYPOCRITE…. Casey was later appointed head of the CIA!
April 21st, 2006 at 7:03 pmKrazy – You remind me of the kid in third grade who was always looking at other kid’s spelling tests. Do your own homework. Ted Kennedy, Al Gore, Russ Feingold, John Murtha, and a host of other notorious Dems have been quoted on Al Jezeera – you do know how to use Google?? Be a good little prog and change the subject… oh you did…If the filthy Left (thanks I-R-I!) had not so viciously and vociferously backed that filthy Communist Daniel Ortega, who knows how the Middle East would look. For a true uinsight into a modern American traitor, Google Ron Dellums. Hanging is too good for that scum…..
Don’t you worry about my blood pressure 125/68 – but a drink sounds good!! Wine everyday keeps the doctor away…. I am waiting for a jury that’s out – but the longer they’re out might be better for my client. There are only a FEW things that make me angry: AT THE TOP OF THE LIST.
April 21st, 2006 at 7:07 pmTRAITORS AND INGRATES. (Unfortunately, the progressive left is littered with both.)
It’s such a great laugh to sit back and watch the comments of the Kool-Aid Drinking Republican bunch like MA, IRI, BSR, etc.
They come here and spew all sorts of dis-information, because that’s all they have. Facts just elude them. If they can’t find any facts about the subject, they simply go back 10 or 30 years and point at a Democrat.
I guess these people don’t live in the real world.
For example about dis-infromation:
“You mean her hubby, Joe Wilson, ambassador extraordinairre????”
It was the WH that outed a CIA NOC opperative. This is a Treasonist act, but they write it off like it’s nothing. Despite the fact that the company she was working with in a COVERT manner is no longer viable. Not to mention all the people who also worked for this company. To them this is just fine, but don’t you accuse their traitorist president with what he is or your a “terrorist loving” “or traitor” for pointing it out.
IRI – thinks that IRAQ was a great idea. I hope to god that we do attack Iran and they retaliate and bomb the city that he/she lives in. Then and only then will bozo’s like this will get the point. Of course they will never fight in the war because they are such chickenhawks. People who are so gungho are the ones who have NEVER served in the military, yet they are the ones who are the most outspoken about killing them terrorists. Isnt it funny how people who have no idea what they are talking about are the first to open their mouths? Perhaps they should take advice from that old saying: “it’s better to keep your mouth shut and have people think your an idiot, rather than open it and remove all doubt”.
April 21st, 2006 at 7:07 pmMIGHTY HYPOCRITE… wow i guess we all ought to feel priveleged that you took time out from your job to come and post. I bet if your client knew he’d really have preferred that you spend more time on HIS case and less time on ours!! dont advertise to loudly that you are a lawyer. in terms of who people trust in this world your profession is down there with the used car salesmen and the meth lab operator!
April 21st, 2006 at 7:13 pmDavid – You sound just like a third grader – pitiful.
Meg-Mooch – When the case is in the hands of the jury, there ain’t much my client can expect from me or the DA. But a laptop is a marvelous new invention – you should try it sometime. You’re right about some lawyers – there are a passel I don’t care for myself.
But since I don’t trust you, which one are you – the meth lab operator, the used car salesman or the sleazy left wing journalist??
Remove Bush – To a self-sbsorbed prog – ancient history is defined as “10 or 30 years”. I am glad my active duty brother said it better than you could ever imagine, “Piss-brain progressives shoot off their mouths while we shoot guns. They’d soil themselves if they ever had to do more than whine….but it’s a privelege to allow progs to make fools of themselves – on a world wide basis.” Well said….
April 21st, 2006 at 7:35 pmPerhaps, Ms. Aphrodite, you would care to put you legal mind to work analysing the United Nations Charter, then present your defense of Bush’s War in light of international law.
You claim to be a defense attorney. How would you present a case defending Bush & Co. against charges of international war crimes should they ever be brought before the International Criminal Court?
How would you argue before the International Court of Justice in The Hague that the United States did not violate international law when it attacked a sovereign country?
Please, cite the International Conventions, Treaties and Cases that support your position.
The only way you are going to convince me that you are not a FRAUD is to put on a reasonable case. Write it as if it were an Appellate Brief.
April 21st, 2006 at 7:40 pmSANTO… this will go down as the absolute lowest of low that we have sunken too! I am so ashamed of my government! but i try to remember my mantra at these times…
April 21st, 2006 at 7:42 pm‘Love Your Country Distrust Your Government’
Meg Mac, I realize you are speaking to Mighty Aphrodite who claims to be a lawyer.
Please don’t judge the entire profession by her. I will be graduating with distinction from an ABA accredited law school in a few weeks. I have spent two summers in Europe studying international law and human rights. Some of us in the legal profession really do care about people.
April 21st, 2006 at 7:47 pmMIGHTY HYPOCRITE…. why do i feel priveleged you dont trust me? you can call me a ‘concerned citizen’. and considering the time you spend here on this blog i’d have to say you are NOT giving your clients your full attention and that is sad for them. whether you are on a laptop or not is not matter… your MIND what little there is of it is NOT on your clients!! Keep to protecting them if you can. Goober has enough apologists.
April 21st, 2006 at 7:50 pmBRISEADH… I will try!! :). believe it or not i do try to keep a levell head about the repug posters here. but they just do NOT want to talk about issues. they want to sling crap! i’m sorry i have generalized so much about lawyers. i am sure there are good and bad as in any profession. this poster MA is the huge exception to the rule! and congrats on your distinction. the world needs some excellent thought!
April 21st, 2006 at 7:56 pmHey I-Right: There is no winning in Iraq, because the goal is so nebulous it defies explanation. “As they stand up, we’ll stand down” is the administration’s line, but when they stand up they stand up to shoot each other or us. Iraq will never have a functioning government until long after we leave.
Sorry to ruin your dateless Friday night, jackass.
April 21st, 2006 at 8:46 pmDear Braid Faire – Your ABA accredited night school – congrats!!! I suspect you appreciate a Supreme Court Associate Justice citing international law.
I am bound by the US CONSTITUTION and the laws of the State of California, and New York, where I am licensed. My defense of Bush would be based on US LAW, treaties, etc. – Hmmm….as I recall, juridiction was covered first year.
I have neither the time or inclination to prove ANYTHING to you – your opinion means LITTLE or nothing.
April 21st, 2006 at 8:48 pmMIGHTY HYPOCRITE… careful… you are bound by a higher authority and He is very ashamed of you!
April 21st, 2006 at 9:02 pmMIGHTY HYPOCRITE… i just hope we will see you in November here after we boot all
April 21st, 2006 at 9:06 pmthe Repug crooks out! but i doubt it!
Shall we bow to this imperial government?
April 21st, 2006 at 9:09 pmSANTO…. i kick her ass daily!! but she keeps coming back for more!
April 21st, 2006 at 9:10 pmFunny thing, MA says she is a licenced to work in New York and California as a lawyer per the thread, I think about Global warming. However I believe from what she has said she lives in South Dakota. So unless she is doing some serious telecommuting I sincerely doubt she is practicing law, unless it is as a research assistant.
MA,
My you still haven’t supplied any instances of Al Jazera quoting and democratic politicians. Reapeting it over and over again will not make it anymore true.
and while were hurling comparisons, you remind me of the bitchy chick that used to sit behind me in US history, who was unable to recognize a map of the US.
April 21st, 2006 at 10:28 pmto be honest I think MA comes here for attention. I am unsure why but I think she enjoys attempting to make everyone here angry.
April 21st, 2006 at 10:40 pmnight Santo
April 21st, 2006 at 10:48 pmKRAZNY… that was my thought. she said she was waiting for the jury to come out but when i looked at her time stamp it was after 7:00 and i dont know of any jury that deliberates after 5:00 pm!! She would like to THINK she makes us angry. But she doesnt me. i think she’s is pathetic.
April 21st, 2006 at 10:50 pmHello Santo, I stepped out for dinner.
Thanks, Meg I know you weren’t including me.
Mighty Aphrodite:
jurisdiction is covered second year: Constitutional Law and Civil Proceedure.
I do. I studied Fundamental Human Rights under him. In Europe.
And of course, jus cogens of international law, right Mighty Aphrodite?
Ms. Aphrodite, every time you take the time to write, you are proving something to me.
Santo:
About the manual you linked to, I draw your attention to these sentences:
I can offer no legal opinion on the above statements from the documents you cited, as I have yet to take and pass the bar. However, you may be aware that the United States Government held an “enemy combatant” (Padilla) for years without charges nor a trial. The same government is holding scores of “enemy combatants” in Guantanamo, again without treating them as criminals under the domestic laws of the United States. Instead, they are subjected to military tribunals.
April 21st, 2006 at 11:03 pmKrazy- I have no intention of making you angry…but this site would be so pathetically boring without your faithful trolls to liven it up a bit. As I mentioned on another thread, there has not been an original leftist thought put forth since the “ne’er do well leech, Karl Marx”. You might as well all get together for a big collective “ditto”. think of the trolls as doing a bit of volunteer work here at TP.
Leave it to Krazy to mix up South Dakota and San Diego – what a sense of humour you have!!!! But really progs, your opinion of me is none of my business. I hope you all have wonderful weekends – the Aphrodite’s will be busy at soccer and Little League, but perhaps I can drop by for the latest progressive offerings….
Meg-Mooch – to kick my a$$ you’d have to get off yours…what a sight!
April 21st, 2006 at 11:09 pmI doubt I would mistake South Dakota for San Diego but nice try. I am think this is more of your fantasy life. I live in Los Angeles and visit San Deigo regularly. I can’t see you living there and being very happy. Frankly MA you come across as a rather mean and singularly bitchy woman. The upside of course is that it is your stress and not mine.
April 21st, 2006 at 11:15 pmBraid Faire – Before I wish you a fine weekend, I showed Mr. Aphrodite your request. You didn’t hear him laughing???
As you will find out shortly, for most lawyers time is money. Normally, if I do work without compensation, I select a worthy pro bono client. It isn’t you…
Good night…
April 21st, 2006 at 11:17 pmBlue State Red: Still no word on those polls that say that Democrats prefer that the military is no longer under civilian control? It sounded like you were making up shit. I often wonder what it must be like to just go around lying about things. Tell me, how do you live with yourself?
April 21st, 2006 at 11:19 pmKrazy – I live in San Diego and have to go to Los Angeles all too often. There was a time when LA was mostly nice with pockets of crummy. Sadly, it’s become mostly a crummy Third World enclave with pockets of nice.
But the upside for you, you fit in PERFECTLY. I CAN see you being VERY happy THERE…
April 21st, 2006 at 11:26 pmMIGHTY HYPOCRITE….. lets hear some rebuttal from you!! Or are you the ‘if it didnt fit you must acquit’ type of lawyer??? you havent answered one challenge with an authoritative fact since i have been posting here! FACTS!! they will set you free! but Freedom isnt really what you are about huh? and again like BLUE STATE RED i am glad you live in California. you will be forever marginilized.! i bet you used to live in Orange County!! Better watch out those illegal immigrants could surround you at any minute!!!
April 21st, 2006 at 11:43 pmMIGHTY HYPOCRITE…. Be careful you might get your hands dirty ’selecting that WORTHY’ pro-bono candidate’!! TOM DELAY perhaps?
April 21st, 2006 at 11:49 pmMIGHTY HYPOCRITE?????? ARE YOU THERE?? oh thats right you are busy OVER scheduling your children so you dont have to watch them!
April 21st, 2006 at 11:54 pmMighty Aphrodite,
It was YOU who claimed Bush’s war was legal. I merely asked you to substantiate your claim. Alas, you either cannot, or choose not. Your claim must fail due to lack of evidence.
April 22nd, 2006 at 12:03 amSANTO…. i have this horrible compulsion…. i cannot let her be the last to post!! i’m sick i know!!! :)
April 22nd, 2006 at 12:05 am#260, Santo,
I read the manual. I noticed those particular documents did not discuss the waterboarding I have heard in mainstream media.
I can’t go into any further details at the moment, but I generally agree with your assessments.
April 22nd, 2006 at 12:10 amMighty Aphrodite, I did a three-rune spread for you. This is the message the Universe has for you:
What you do with this message is entirely up to you. I will no longer debate with you as long as you stay on your current path, for there is nothing more I can say to you until you are ready to listen.
Take care.
April 22nd, 2006 at 12:26 amBriseadh…. AMEN!! if i may say that? and a good night to you and yours!! Best Wishes!
April 22nd, 2006 at 12:38 amMeg,
yes, you may say that.
good night to you as well and thank you.
If you wish, you may contact me off the boards at myspammailbox at hotmail dot com. I am always happy to make new friends.
April 22nd, 2006 at 1:09 am#272- Briseadh, I am so happy for you! It is an amazing accomplishment! Your future clients will be fortunate to be represented by you. Best of luck on the Bar Exam, you’ll ‘ace’ it, I’m sure. :)
April 22nd, 2006 at 5:56 am“To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American Public.†– Teddy Roosevelt (FDR)
What a dumbfuk
April 22nd, 2006 at 6:10 amBack OT… a “dissident party within the military”? Get crucial!!!!! First of all, they are no longer “within”, they have retired. And calling it a “party”? Seems to me that inflating their membership numbers by implication is a dumb thing to do, if you are trying to lessen their impact. But I think the continued obstinate and stubborn way they are handling the whole invasion mess, ss,dd, the “enemy” has their ‘number’ and has them on “speed-dial. But Rummy has his plan, and he is sticking to it. But if it was worth a damn, the Generals would have nothing to be upset about, now would they? Details… Mr.Krauthammer, you are a “DingleBerry” on the “butt of humanity”. Yuck. Dangle on, mister!
April 22nd, 2006 at 6:31 amI will be graduating with distinction from an ABA accredited law school in a few weeks. I have spent two summers in Europe studying international law and human rights.
I’ve been to Paris and Brussels. You’ll fit right in there.
April 22nd, 2006 at 8:15 amThe generals are doing what they should have done before they retired.
Comment by Zookeeper #19
Zookeeper,
I’ve seen/heard this sentiment a lot…
…in defense of these generals, it’s very difficult to throw away one’s lifetime of commitment…
…and retirement pension…
…by getting onesself FIRED before one has all of one’s “ducks in a row”…
…who among us has such courage?
April 22nd, 2006 at 10:50 amZoopooper – I wouldn’t call 6 retired Generals a “cascade†– a miniscule trickle perhaps…but “cascadeâ€? I don’t think so.
Comment by mighty aphrodite #46
puny (ovaryless) hermaphrodite and resident Bushite who*e,
…whatever else you call it, the experts all agree…
…it’s UNPRECEDENTED…
April 22nd, 2006 at 11:15 amwow i could say something ‘really’ cold but not gonna do it! not gonna do it! suffice it to say you leave yourself way to vulnerable making statements like that!!!
Comment by meg_mac #212
meg_mac,
I’ll say it for you…
…IRI is a sick, perverted necrophile…
…with a dash of pedophilic, bestial tendencies…
…NO, make that a TON of pedophilic, bestial tendencies…
…after all, he IS a sexually frustrated (repressed) right wing conservative…
…and Fort Bend County Texas’ resident animal rapist…
…but I must admit…
…I didn’t know he liked to get busy with…eeeeew …road kill…
April 22nd, 2006 at 11:23 amSANTO…. i couldnt agree with you more! i know i am labeled all the time a bleeding heart liberal. but to me this issue of torture transcends government. it just goes against humanity. everything we were taught to believe about out country has been compromised by this torture. we have now become no better than the Nazi’s. we have NO moral authority in the world.
April 22nd, 2006 at 12:21 pmSANTO… you are so welcome! what really astounds me is how the ‘evangelical’ base that Goober panders to can square this ‘torture’ up with their beliefs. Where is the Catholic Church?? where are the Bible thumpers whose own book says ‘turn the other cheek’?? This is exactly why i prefer to talk to God on my own. Why should i listen to these morally corrupt religions??
April 22nd, 2006 at 12:41 pmWhile Cal Thomas is at it, he might want to tell General Boykins to shut his piehole and stop encouraging the ‘enemy.’ And then stop by the White House, use his conservative credentials to get in and tell the president to shut up with all the tough talk about “bring it on” and all that garbage. And stop Condi Rice before she goes shoe shopping and tell her to cool the rhetoric and stop catnapping at press conferences, even if they are boring-after all, she and her colleagues were so desperate for the jobs they had to steal and con the American people for them. And then, skip on over to the Pentagon and tell Rumsfeld to stop mumbling about ‘knowns and ‘unknowns’ and all the utterly stupid things a Secretary of Defense should not say as to appear weak, incompetent and stupid to the most weak, incompetent and stupid terrorist.And I could go on, and on, but I think you get the idea.
April 22nd, 2006 at 2:09 pm#276 – “I’ve been to Paris and Brussels. You’ll fit right in there.”
Comment by Blue State Red directed to Braid Faire
****I couldn’t agree with you more, BSR!!! Socialists of all stripes do well in the capitols of moldy “Olde Europe”. Paris WOULD be a beautiful city – except it’s filled with Parisians- ha!
But watching the spoiled, obnoxious Parisian students riot regularly (until spring break!!!) provided the perfect explanatin of why French unemployment is so terrible. Compassionate conservatives should gently explain to moronic French youth that the only thing they are guaranteed is death and taxes – and in a socialist paradise you can be assured the taxes will be huge.
An aside for Toilet Mouth Papa – A case of Palmolive soap might clean that filthy mouth and typing fingers a bit….Did you read the New York Times article discussing the positive improvement in many of the poorest survivors of Hurricane Katrina. By leaving the Democratically controlled dung trap of poor New Orleans neighbourhoods, the NYT (who knew?) noted that refugees were seeing and climbing rungs up the ladder which entitlement programs had never shown them. The goal of international progressives and socialists is for everyone to be uniformily bland and/or miserable. And Toilet Mouth, THANK YOU for the poorly typed, boldly enhanced type – I can generally ignore more of your garbage than conventionally typed tripe.
Happy weekend!!!
April 22nd, 2006 at 5:35 pmMIGHTY HYPOCRITE…. oh i see you dropped the chilins’ off for their over scheduled day so you could run back and do some hit and run! Again you prove you are the poorest excuse for a mother around. I only hope that they will be able to learn grace and caring from their teachers. they certainly wont get it at home!!
April 22nd, 2006 at 5:50 pmDear Santo – I apologize for being so blunt but I have never read any of your posts that I deemed worthy of response – I’m sure many here find your repartee intelligent and somewhat amusing. I don’t.
Dear Meg Mooch – You’ll be happy to know my darling little Aphrodites had alot of fun today at their respective games. (You poor thing – you seem to think each child having one game is overbooked – don’t get anything more strenuous or demanding than a cat – you would be in WAAAAY over your head if you had to attend to kids.) Happy weekend to you!!
April 22nd, 2006 at 7:23 pmiMIGHTY HYPOCRITE…. i nurtured my children. i only wish your would.
April 22nd, 2006 at 7:36 pmSanto…. further proof… just a sad bitter woman! i truly do feel sorry for her children.
April 22nd, 2006 at 7:58 pmthe kind of mean-spiritdness she shows here daily only serves to prove it. She is the epitome of what i detest in republican women. MEAN. i wonder if her children (if they can read) would be interested in the way she posts here. i think they would be embarrased and tell her to be quiet!
SANTO… i agree on MA… and i did send those links to some people. a few responded with horror. i have asked them to forward. the one email i got back that was negative was from someone i just met recently so i guesss i can cross her off my list. not a big thing. thanks for your dilligence in getting out the word! ps Joe Biden has a good site … UNITEOURSTATES.com. i will send it to them too!!
April 22nd, 2006 at 8:16 pm#207 You mean what Bush has failed to do? He’s failed to secure our border. He’s failed to rein in outrageous Federal Spending. He’s failed to jump all over the Liberal Supreme Court who has destroyed the right to private property in this country via the eminent domain clause. He’s failed to cut the number of Federal employees in fact raised them by thousands and thousands.
Comment by I-WRONG-I
To Iam-a-Wrong-Idiot
So you’re back at the “liberal Supreme Court” justices (seven of whom were appointed by Repugnancan presidents) and the eminent domain spiel again, eh? I’ve already posted at least three times previously how George W. Bush himself used eminent domain to confiscate land in Arlington, TX for a new Texas Rangers stadium, which made himself and his fellow investors millions. If this bit of information hasn’t sunk into your thick head by now, you must either have one of the worst memories of anyone under 80 or else are being paid by gay blade Ken Mehlman to keep repeating GOP talking points no matter what:
“This is not the first time that a group of well-connected entrepreneurs has persuaded a municipality to seize private property in order to facilitate their planned development project. It happened in Arlington — Arlington, Texas, that is, and one of the entrepreneurs, albeit a small bore one, was our nominal president, G.W. Bush, at the time a failed, would-be oil man, but one with a magic — in Texas anyway — last name.
Kevin Phillips, a long-time Republican strategist turned apostate, describes the deal in his book, American Dynasty.
“In 1988, George W. also began angling for a role in the acquisition of the Texas Rangers baseball team, which was being sold by oil man Eddie Chiles, an old friend of his father’s. The deal did not go through easily, despite Bush’s love of the sport, but it finally concluded in 1989 on three pivots of cronyism. The first was the help in arranging meetings and financing given to Bush by baseball commissioner Peter Ueberroth, a family friend. Number two was the investment participation of Texas billionaire Richard Rainwater, a major Reagan-Bush contributor.
“Last but not least was the arrangement by which the city of Arlington agreed to finance a new $191 million stadium for the Rangers with a bond issue paid for by a small sales tax increase. The stadium was to be deeded over to the baseball consortium in 12 years, after the Rangers group had paid $60 million in annual payments of $5 million.
“What sold investors was the highly rewarding stadium deal, which depended on the city of Arlington pushing the sales tax increase through in a special election and then stretching its power of eminent domain to seize the necessary land for what was mostly a private purpose.”
Bush and his cronies bought the team for $63 million. Bush’s contribution was a paltry $640,000, which got him 2 percent of the franchise. But the family name was his real contribution. His main function was not unlike that of retired baseball players who hire on as greeters at casinos in Las Vegas and Atlantic City.
In their book, Shrub, columnist Molly Ivins and Lou Dubose note that, “Not satisfied with the taxpayers picking up the tab on the construction of the (new) stadium, the ball team used its quasi-government sports authority to ‘take’ the 13 acres needed for the stadium complex at a price so low a state court had to step in on behalf of the unwilling ’sellers.’ ”
from the Press & Sun-Bulletin.
April 22nd, 2006 at 9:29 pmTo I-WRONG-I, BS Red, Mighty Hypocrite, Anvilhead, and other reichwingers,
You guys cherry-pick statements from those who criticize the Iraq just the way the Bush administration cherry-picked the pre-invasion (non)intelligence. Are you trying to tell us that if the terrorists and Al Qaeda are paying attention to anti-war statements from the left, they haven’t likewise heard statements like George W. Bush’s pronouncements that bin Laden isn’t much on his mind, that the war on terror can’t be won, that it will take another president to end the Iraq War, etc? I would think such statements from the US’s Commander-in-Chief would be even more encouraging than those from a party out of power.
April 22nd, 2006 at 9:38 pmTo I-WRONG-I, BS Red, Mighty Hypocrite, Anvilhead, and other reichwingers,
You guys cherry-pick statements from those who criticize the Iraq just the way the Bush administration cherry-picked the pre-invasion (non)intelligence. Are you trying to tell us that if the terrorists and Al Qaeda are paying attention to anti-war statements from the left, they haven’t likewise heard statements like George W. Bush’s pronouncements that bin Laden isn’t much on his mind, that the war on terror can’t be won, that it will take another president to end the Iraq War, etc? I would think such statements from the US’s Commander-in-Chief would be even more encouraging than those from a party out of power.
April 22nd, 2006 at 9:38 pm#273, Cyra, thank you!
So have I and you’re right, I did like it there. The Council of Europe is an amazing attempt at unifying a continent that has suffered centuries of warfare. So too is the European Union. It is amazing and inspiring to see once avowed enemies working together for peace.
Santo – the Universe has a message for Mighty Aphrodite, (#270) should she care to listen.
Peace be with you all. I’m gonna celebrate having completed my last law exam until the Bar!
April 22nd, 2006 at 10:54 pm