This tidbit about President Bush’s schedule was buried in today’s Washington Post:
Bush traveled Friday night to Stanford University, where he met privately with members of the libertarian Hoover Institution to discuss the war. He concluded the day with a private dinner held by George P. Shultz, a Hoover fellow and former secretary of state.
Why is this significant? The Hoover Institution is a think tank that has been aggressively promoting the viability of a preemptive military strike in Iran. Here’s just a couple of recent examples —
Thomas Sowell, a senior fellow at Hoover:
[Europe] will be able to think of all sorts of nicer alternatives to taking out Iran’s nuclear development sites. They will be able to come up with all sorts of abstract arguments and moral equivalence, such as: Other countries have nuclear weapons. Why not Iran? Debating abstract questions is much easier than confronting concrete and often brutal alternatives. The big question is whether we are serious or suicidal. [Creators Syndicate, 1/3/06]
Tod Lindberg, a research fellow at Hoover:
Whatever it is that Saddam was going to perpetrate in his remaining years in power, whatever he intended to bequeath to his sons and whatever in turn they would do to follow up on his legacy, this we have prevented… Which takes us back to Iran…I don’t think it would be a good idea to wait around in the hope that we never arrive at the moment when we realize we should have done something. [Washington Times, 4/18/06]
George P. Schultz, who hosted the event, was an “early defender of the use of pre-emptive force to deal with Saddam Hussein’s regime in Iraq.â€
King George Bush II is planning to attack Iran before the November elections, so his secret meeting has ties to his sinister plan most certainly! All Americans must contact their Senators and Representatives to NOT allow the Bush Regime to launch on attack on Iran!
April 22nd, 2006 at 7:59 pmPeople eagerly awaiting the end of America and the end of the American empire hope that America would attack Iran, and attack it now.
I hope everybody else is paying attention to the fact that Russia and China can afford an American-occupied Iran even less than they can afford a disruption of their Iranian oil supplies on which their current growth is so dependent. If we could not chew on bites of the size of Afghanistan or Iraq, how big do you think our next bite should be?
April 22nd, 2006 at 8:02 pmGreat catch. I spotted a photo earlier of students protesting @ Stanford while Bush was there and the purpose of his visit blew right by me. The photo — at first glance — I thought was Nepal!
April 22nd, 2006 at 8:14 pm> .. of the libertarian Hoover Institution…
Could someone explain what is “libertarian” about the policy of pre-emptive wars?
April 22nd, 2006 at 8:16 pmThis is horrible. God it’s hard watching this happen. It’s time to do something
April 22nd, 2006 at 8:18 pmPre-emptiv strikes could also involve navel blockad and air strikes.
This of course leaves open Iran tit for tat retalition. Most likey increased insugency attacks on US forces in Iraq and Afganistain.
A full scale “liberation” of Iran is extremey unlikey
April 22nd, 2006 at 8:20 pmBush Meets Think Tank to Promote Iran War…
Next up: Bush really, really promises that he’ll go to war only as a last resort……
April 22nd, 2006 at 8:25 pmdiscerning readers of fcuk bush would know about the Global Strike Chronology
This IS the October surprise:
they have a cool logo too!
oh, and please remember to ‘duck and cover, duck and cover’
April 22nd, 2006 at 8:31 pmIf this president is potentially putting our lives at risk with this shit, dont we have a right to defend ourselves against him…no matter what? I’d like to hear what others think.
April 22nd, 2006 at 8:34 pmWho is bush listening to, the palavers of doom?
April 22nd, 2006 at 8:37 pmhe is listening to god whom he contacts by holding his ear up to condi’s pudental region whilst she reads to him about goats and flowers…
just a guess.
April 22nd, 2006 at 8:39 pmCan someone tell me how Bush can entertain moving against Iran and at the same time claim that he is keeping us all safer? A first counter move would clearly be to strike at the US heartland via the t errorist network.
April 22nd, 2006 at 8:43 pm50 Ways To Dump The Dubya
Goper’s Lament (Hard To Be A Republican)
April 22nd, 2006 at 8:51 pm#12
hi. i’ll shut up after this post, but, a good read that may explain why bush is acting this way is in john dean’s most recent article…
i think it really goes far in explaining this beast….
April 22nd, 2006 at 8:51 pmWill the Hoovers give us the green light on North Korea too?
April 22nd, 2006 at 8:53 pmIt is our military commanders that will have to stand up to this self appoint King. They have a military duty to not follow illegal orders for a mad man.
April 22nd, 2006 at 8:53 pmIt is our military commanders that will have to stand up to this self appointed King. They have a military duty to not follow illegal orders for a mad man.
April 22nd, 2006 at 8:53 pmIran and Russia are becoming more friendly; China is gobbling up the world, but the crazed cowboy in the White House thinks he can still shoot first and ask questions later. Diplomacy is not a word used by cowboys.
April 22nd, 2006 at 8:58 pmThis is just too scary — someone has to stop the madness.
We need to pull the plug on the W, Rove and Co before they go willy nilly into another untenable war with Iran. At 10 Billion a month for Iraq, we can’t afford Iran too.
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April 22nd, 2006 at 9:13 pmIf this president is potentially putting our lives at risk with this shit, dont we have a right to defend ourselves against him…no matter what? I’d like to hear what others think.
Comment by Vance
Punk, you have the right to do anything you’re big and brave enough to do.
April 22nd, 2006 at 9:16 pm#1 Jay Randal: You’re pretty close. But the way I see it is that he’ll have Dick (head) Cheney orchestrate another terrorist attack here or in Israel. Blame it on Hezbollah because Iran is known to fund them and then attack. Part 2 of the Project for the New American Century’s agenda.
Gas will then sky-rocket to about $6-$7 per gallon and will usher in the beginning of the end of the American middle class as we know it. Bring in more Mexicans to be subserviant to the ultra-rich elite and the Bush people are soon to be on their way to their version of “paradise”.
Oh, don’t forget, there will also be a lot of use of the term “patriotism” during this insane debacle.
Sinister, demented and just plain sick and stupid.
April 22nd, 2006 at 9:17 pmWhy just call out Hoover for their war-mongering “fellows” urging “pre-emption” on Shrub…there’s at least 6-8 other DC-based so-called “think tanks” pushing the same line, they have direct access to the WH via OVP and The Cabal, and these types represent the only perspective on “dealing with Iran’s nuclear threat” that the half-witted clot hears these days.
April 22nd, 2006 at 9:17 pmThe Hoover visit was PR stuff, organised by Schultz, and included as part of Shithead’s CA liebefest with Da Arnie.
Interesting that Bush goes to the Hoover Institute which is named for President Hoover who was a horrible leader who loved the wealthy and caused the “Great Depression” too! George is following Hoover’s failed degenerate policies which will cause another economic collapse, and remember what followed Hoover’s depression > Adolf Hitler’s Germany and WWII!
April 22nd, 2006 at 9:22 pmAnybody find the Repug postings as hilarious as I do?
People who so loudly and proudly proclaim the virtue of death in so many slogans: “Death before Dishonor†“Better Dead than Red†“Give me Liberty or give me Death†are the same cowards who are so afraid of death at the hands of some terrorists that they will allow the rape of their country, mortgage their children’s future and give up all their freedoms in exchange for some chicken hawk’s promise to protect them from such an unlikely fate.
Someone should inform them of the fact that they have more chances of winning the Mega Millions lottery than dying due to an act of terrorism.
April 22nd, 2006 at 9:26 pmI-RIGhT-I …….You off your meds boy? Violence is a tool of the weak,like your child raping buddy rummy…it is WE who will find YOU and your ilk and expose you for the traitors retards you are. Dont bother responding, your posts carry no credibility just like your life.
April 22nd, 2006 at 9:26 pm#20 U-Wrong-U: I see you’re at the whiskey again. I bet you also have your little plastic Jesus statue superglued to your monitor so you can praise God for the great American Bush death march as you spew your fascist, juvenile, bully blather for the rest of us here to wonder in amazement as to how you could possibly lower yourself any further. Can you go any lower? Show us, fool.
Now go and regurgitate the booze along with what’s left of your brain and then go and pass out on your mother, shit-for-brains. She wants you!
April 22nd, 2006 at 9:27 pmOh, yes, Shithead took time out from his busy schedule today to issue a statement re: latest musical chairs in Iraq:
“There’s going to be more tough fighting ahead in Iraq and there’ll be more days of sacrifice and struggle,” Bush said. “Yet, the enemies of freedom have suffered a real blow today, and we’ve taken a great stride on the march to victory.
“This historic achievement by determined Iraqis will make America more secure,” he said.
What is this burbling bunghole saying, for God’s sake?
In the same news article:
Five U.S. soldiers were killed Saturday, including four whose vehicle hit a roadside bomb during a patrol in south Baghdad, the military said. Nearly 2,400 members of the U.S. military have died since the U.S.-led invasion in March 2003.
Also in the same news article:
Bush called Canada’s prime minister, Stephen Harper, to discuss the developments in Iraq. The president also offered condolences about the four Canadian soldiers killed Saturday by a roadside bomb in Afghanistan.
Hope Shithead enjoyed his dinner at Schultz’s bunker.
April 22nd, 2006 at 9:29 pmOh, yes, Shithead took time out from his busy schedule today to issue a statement re: latest musical chairs in Iraq:
“There’s going to be more tough fighting ahead in Iraq and there’ll be more days of sacrifice and struggle,” Bush said. “Yet, the enemies of freedom have suffered a real blow today, and we’ve taken a great stride on the march to victory.
“This historic achievement by determined Iraqis will make America more secure,” he said.
What is this burbling bunghole saying, for God’s sake?
In the same news article:
Five U.S. soldiers were killed Saturday, including four whose vehicle hit a roadside bomb during a patrol in south Baghdad, the military said. Nearly 2,400 members of the U.S. military have died since the U.S.-led invasion in March 2003.
Also in the same news article:
Bush called Canada’s prime minister, Stephen Harper, to discuss the developments in Iraq. The president also offered condolences about the four Canadian soldiers killed Saturday by a roadside bomb in Afghanistan.
Hope Shithead enjoyed his dinner at Schultz’s bunker.
http://news.yahoo.com/ s/ ap/ us_iraq;_ylt=ArQGkKyPTf0133YTUed6ju6s0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ–
April 22nd, 2006 at 9:29 pmbush didn’t need to go there, he should just look at the polls and see whe the American puplic want….no war with Iran. Schultz/Cheney are war mongers and always have been….because there is big money in it.
April 22nd, 2006 at 9:30 pmYes post 22 > If the Bush Regime attacks Iran, then gas shortages would occur, which means rationing and probably up to $10 a gallon eventually! Also it would cause an economic recession and massive unemployment > probably at least 20% jobless nationwide! Emergency draft would be needed because the attack on Iran would most likely set off global WWIII, so those unemployed would be forced into the military as cannon fodder troops!
April 22nd, 2006 at 9:36 pm#31 Jay Randal: Anyone or any entity that tries to kidnap my son for that kind of political insanity will be met with instant death by shotgun!
Pawns, that’s all we are to them. Expendable. This country is about to be bankrupted into oblivion just like the old Soviet Union. Splintered into quarrelling little factions with little or no power to do or accomplish anything.
I wonder what houses are going for in Brazil right now.
April 22nd, 2006 at 9:49 pmIf gas does go to $10 a gallon because of another Bush war and I lose my job and my ability to provide for my family, then the mantra “Fight them there so we dont fight them here” will have no meaning….I WILL fight for my family HERE!
April 22nd, 2006 at 9:50 pmRemember the part of the oath: to defend this nation against all enemies foreign AND DOMESTIC! We all know who the real enemy of America is. Nothing more than a coke-snorting, alcoholic, spoiled rotten, rich kid with daddy’s connections.
It’s amazing what the qualifications for the Presidency of the United States has been reduced to.
April 22nd, 2006 at 9:57 pmMr. Evil and Vance > that is WHY we all have to stop Bush NOW before he attacks Iran! If he does it, then it sets in motion all kinds of problems > Halliburton is supposedly starting construction on detention camps for Americans who oppose the Bush Regime, so this whole thing is turning sinister and very ugly! I do NOT want to see our America torn to pieces by Bush and old fat Cheney!
April 22nd, 2006 at 9:58 pmI-RIGhT-I
I think you owe Abby an apology; you’re bang out of order with the type of language you used in you personal attack. It is one thing to be passionate about your personally held beliefs, and to champion your political affiliations. But to be so obnoxious, crude in the use of the type of language that you use, it makes you sound like the type of person who encapsulates and embodies everything that is wrong with people from the right of the political spectrum. The charges that you laid at the feet of Abby, sound much more to do with your own personal hang-ups, there is some deep-rooted personal neurosis in your posts/rants, which are there for everybody to read. This makes you look like the redneck bigot that you so obviously espouse to be.
Try having an intelligent discussion on the points that are being raised, instead of resorting to vitriolic character assassinations. But then again being a right-winger this probably comes as second nature to you, as your role models are George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney and Karl Rove.
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April 22nd, 2006 at 10:12 pm#2 Abby: Don’t you find it a little disconcerting that Bush and his cronies would risk our future just so he and a few (mostly) old white men can reap all the benefits of war for oil?
Take a look around you and realize that most of the inventions and innovations you enjoy and we all take for granted were begun in America. When push comes to shove, human beings can accomplish most anything. We can already grow all the fuel we need for internal combustion engines. All we have to do to have cheap, renewable fuel basically forever is to build the refineries now to process it into ethanol.
We built the Empire State Building, the Golden Gate Bridge, the interstate highway system. We already make synthetic oil for lubrication. We can’t make ethanol to power our cars? Fuck the middle east and their oil. Bush is all talk when it comes to alternative energy. Where are the grants and government investments for actual, real time accomplishments?
Oil is not here forever, ethanol, methanol, hydrogen, etc. are.
April 22nd, 2006 at 10:20 pm>>hi. i’ll shut up after this post,
April 22nd, 2006 at 10:20 pmRemoveBush, I think your right, but I am shocked that people are so stunned that the don’t want to admit that it really happened. I also notice that over time it is sinking in. ‘Loose change’ woke me up,but yet I still find it hard to believe with the facts right in front of my face.
April 22nd, 2006 at 10:25 pmThe arrogance and ignorance of the Right Wing Nuts is astounding. They sincerely believe that we can just do what ever the hell we want and the world will just sit by and watch passively. That German guy thought the same thing. The totalitarian neo-cons forget that he also lost the war and ended up trapped in a bunker.
This country was built and defended by people who value freedom, not power. Unfortunately today’s neo-con idiots value only profit for themselves and they have an unquenchable thirst for power.
If I am not mistaken, they also wrap themselves in the mantle of Christianity. I guess they just forgot to read that stuff the carpenter said about “blessed are the peacemakers”?
I believe there was another passage about those who “live by the sword, shall die by the sword.” I think that was pretty good advice 2000 years ago and it’s pretty good advice now.
Bush and his power mad administration must resign, or they must be brought to justice and impeached. The world will not stand by and let them push civilization over the nuclear cliff.
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April 22nd, 2006 at 10:27 pmBush traveled Friday night to Stanford University, where he met privately with members of the libertarian Hoover Institution
Hoover is listed as a Republican think tank. CATO is decidedly libertarian. Sure there are libertarians there. They spring up all over the place like mushrooms on manure after a summer rain. There are far too many flavors of libertarianism to use the term in any meaningful sense.
April 22nd, 2006 at 10:29 pmI-R-I….too stupid to know he’s being played.
Only a complete moron or someone who is paid to support this administration would sactrifice their personal integrity and credibility, supporting the absolutely worst bunch of thieves who have stolen our government.
IRI, here’s your banana —> ( The Alpha-Monkey appreciates your brainless support.
April 22nd, 2006 at 10:40 pm#45 squegeeboo: Maybe they didn’t feel like being stranded in Topeka or Memphis or Lincoln or Billings or wherever they may have been close to when the FAA ordered all flights grounded. Unless they wanted to go to Saudi Arabia because the flights for the bin Laden’s were allowed to escape and fly unobstructed.
April 22nd, 2006 at 10:44 pm#38, Mr. Evil: You are absolutely right. There is no telling how much real progress can be accomplished by simply applying American ingenuity and treasure in the right places. Instead we are stuck with a few criminals who waste all that we have at our disposal in the pursuit of a few more bucks for themselves. How much money is enough or more than enough?
There should be so much more to man’s existence than the mere pursuit of money but man seems to have got himself stuck in a rut where mere purchasing power appears to be the pinnacle of the level of civilization man is capable of achieving.
There, now I have managed to depress myself. Oh well, tomorrow is another day with a brand new sun. There will be life tomorrow and as long as there is life, there is hope.
April 22nd, 2006 at 11:09 pm#58 Abby: Well, Abby I do remember a time when the term ‘American ingenuity’ meant something. Also I remember ‘good old American know how’. We had the confidence that we could solve any problem for everybody. That, to me, is what this country used to be about, at least in one very good sense.
Sorry to contradict you on one fact though. Not a new sun tomorrow, just the same one that happens to allow this planet to perpetuate the life upon it along with the 6 billion humans that sit back and allow about 1000 humans (especially 2) to ruin it for all.
April 22nd, 2006 at 11:21 pm#55 in either case they would be guilty of criminal behavior, as government officials they have a duty to defend the country and its people( from all enemies both foriegn and domestic) sound familiar…..
April 22nd, 2006 at 11:21 pmGood Gawd, would someone please wake me from this nightmare?
April 22nd, 2006 at 11:27 pmAmerica needs to wake up.
April 22nd, 2006 at 11:37 pmWhat can we do?
Have 300,000 protesters sit outside of White House demanding a stop to this insanity.
#64 Alidost: Why not 3,000,000?
April 22nd, 2006 at 11:39 pmI am happy to see a little more cordial exchange later in this blog. The language of he early stuff is offensive and not conducive to forming salient thoughts.
Also, thanks to #14. Every time I read John Dean, I am impressed with his introspective and political savvy. Because he knew the divisiveness of Nixon, he understands how cynical and desperate this president will become if he thinks he will lose any power or clout. It has been a big power grab for this administration since day one. Only some of the unwitting Republican Congressmen are catching on now….they have lost any effective oversight by Constitution, law, or any other function.
The choices that Dean lays out (except the capture of Bin Laden and international diplomacy) are all pretty depressing. Looking at the schemes, I have to say that the hardest to believe would be International Diplomacy. It’s hard to imiaging who would lead that effort. Must be someone new or a moderate from a previous administration.
April 22nd, 2006 at 11:54 pmI should have said moderate Rupublican Congressmen.
The more rabid neocons, fascist, or escatological leaning probably wouldn’t mind an American Dictatorship anyway.
April 22nd, 2006 at 11:59 pmThis damn think tank needs a frontal lobotomy. Schultz’s company were run out of boilivia. They bribed the dictator and got control of the country’s water and raised the price nationwide 40%. The people revolted and ran their leader and Bechtel out on a rail.
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:21 amThis damn think tank needs a frontal lobotomy. Schultz’s company were run out of Bolivia. They bribed the dictator and got control of the country’s water and raised the price nationwide 40%. The people revolted and ran their leader and Bechtel out on a rail.
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:22 amThe Hoover Institution *is* known for work outside of international policy issues. Milton Friedman (not the Friedman that probably pops to mind for most here) is a fellow as are a number of other economists that have retired from academia. Friedman is the only nobel laureate though.
Of course, I realize Bush went to Hoover to talk to the foreign policy people. They were probably the middle east/asia people as well.
It’s also to prop up this idea that he’s Reagan’s successor.
He’s not. If he was, we’d be in a lot less trouble than we are - and Reagan wasn’t an amazing President - he was just there at the right time (communism).
Bush is the complete opposite of everything Hoover Institute libertarians stand for. The problem with Hoover, however, is that not all of them are exactly libertarians. Alot of them are much more into state power through the military which entails higher taxes. The purpose is to free the people.:)
Hoover has some crazy folks, but also some bright ones who have nothing to do with Iran. I’d view this visit as more of a way to prop up his support among the fiscally responsible wing of his party.
He doesn’t need to go there to get support on Iran. He’ll do whatever he feels like and we all know it.
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:22 am#75
And they will soon have no water. They extended the network and charged market rates. If the government had wanted to subsidize the water rates - like they had done when they publicly owned it - they could have. The price would have been the same for water and it would have been run more efficiently. As it is Bolivia is a backward country that is paralyzed by street blockades whenever there’s some issue.
Oh, and lest we continue to malign all the foreign investors in Bolivia who are getting their contracts ‘renogiated’ it should be pointed out that Petrobras (Brazil’s state owned energy company - Lula, Brazil’s president, is close to Morales) won’t have anything to do with bolvia two weeks after announcing a 5 billion dollar investment.
Bolivia can help itself by exporting its natural gas and stop complaining about losing their coastline more than a century ago. That’s why they won’t export.
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:27 amHoover is decidedly Neocon. Condi comes from there.
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:32 amMilton Freidman is one most likely to self-identify as a libertarian at Hoover as he had his nose firmly planted up Ayn Rand’s boney little ass when he was a young pupster..
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:36 am[…] Bush Meets Privately With Think Tank Promoting Military Strike On Iran […]
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:44 amBush’s plan: When the Iranians finish their underground enrichment plant, we will use a really big non-nuclear bomb to blow it up. Operation Divine Strake should give us a good idea of what it will look like. These guys are so easy to read nowadays. So, what are we going to do about this? Hmmm.
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:45 amall this thanks to israel.. why not North Korea? im so mad…
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:52 amI think it is about even what the President will try before the elections are due. War with Iran or a crack down on illegals in the USA.
April 23rd, 2006 at 1:09 amWar with Iran would sure prove intersting but would it generate enough civil dissent in the USA to stop the election. Or cause more people to rally behind the repubs/WH for them to have a victory
A crack down on Illegals in the USA would for sure generate civil dissent, and the way the law is written those helping illegals are on their way to the cells also. It should cause enough civil dissent to cause the election the be cancelled/postponed, if that is what the WH would like to happen.
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April 23rd, 2006 at 1:33 amA think tank? Doesn’t that, like, require a brain? That would be like James Sensenbrenner waddling into a health food store.
Assclowns of the Week #36. I’m good but I think I outdid myself this week. So go get it while it’s still steaming on Ken Mehlman’s doorstep.
On the spit this week:
George “The Decider” Bush.
April 23rd, 2006 at 1:38 amCondi Rice
Rat Wrangler Michelle Malkin
Vice President Sleepy and much, much more!
#78
April 23rd, 2006 at 1:58 amThose contracts that you are talking about being renegotiated in Bolivia; are they the lopsided contracts that would have allowed US multinationals to steal Bolivia’s natural resources?
When are these evil and unhuman acts of bush going to stop??
April 23rd, 2006 at 3:25 amy’all heard about the stanford protests, right? they forced them to meet off campus!
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0422-03.htm
victory. focus on the positive. swagger and hubris ALWAYS lead to ruin. let’s remain ready to resist. and don’t ever get tagged with the mark.
April 23rd, 2006 at 4:16 amThe coming Bush conflict over Iran will be the turning point in America! If Dubya the Decider is allowed to launch an attack on Iran, then civil unrest most likely would engulf the United States and an economic collapse as well! This would lead to either Bush’s overthrow or Martial Law?!
April 23rd, 2006 at 5:31 amJay - Hoefully the USA citizens will have the adminstation dressed in orange jump suits, flex tied and dropped of at the Hague before an actual war starts.
April 23rd, 2006 at 6:28 amSomeone should inform them of the fact that they have more chances of winning the Mega Millions lottery than dying due to an act of terrorism.
Comment by Abby — April 22, 2006 @ 9:26 pm
We’ve tried. Many times. Logic doesn’t work on those governed by emotional fear. They are irrational. All they see is their animosity. It’s almost like trying to communicate with someone who only speaks a different language that you don’t understand. You’re just talking and nothing is getting through. I think it’s why most people who’ve been around a while don’t even bother. Less painful to beat your head against the wall actually.
I’d think it was funnier if it wasn’t running our government right now. George Bush is King Scaredy Cat of irrational fear against strangers in other countries. Easily the worst president ever. I was reserving judgment on that, ’cause there’ve been a couple others who were pretty bad - but he’s out done them all. And there seems to be no stopping him.
April 23rd, 2006 at 7:40 amhere we have our october surprise. if the people in this country are dumb enough to fall for it this time, then they truly deserve this president.
April 23rd, 2006 at 7:43 amHow typical of Chimpie to indulge in a mutual grooming session with an institution that sucks.
April 23rd, 2006 at 7:46 amHave 300,000 protesters sit outside of White House demanding a stop to this insanity.
Comment by Alidost — April 22, 2006 @ 11:37 pm
Just make sure we have the proper permits… Don’t wanna wind up in jail for asserting our First Amendment Rights or anything… Sheesh.
Well, if it doesn’t get stolen, the only thing we have left of any power is our vote. Start with the incumbents in 2006 - anyone Dem or Repug who has allowed this to occur and replace them with qualified Independents who are tied to neither party. And then again in 2008. As soon as we can get a free majority - have them repeal Corporate Personhood so that corporations do not have better rights than We The People. Get the money out of politics, so our elected officials are no longer owned by their donators, but by their electors.
I just don’t have faith in the average American to pull it off. So, we’ll probably wind up with a police state before the next election. And then what’s going on in Nepal right now will be going on here.
April 23rd, 2006 at 7:50 amWhen are these evil and unhuman acts of bush going to stop??
Comment by Prathap Rajamani — April 23, 2006 @ 3:25 am
When we do something.
April 23rd, 2006 at 7:57 amlet the rest of the world sort this out we dont need america and in future we will never need your ignorant UN vetoing idiots
April 23rd, 2006 at 8:04 am“I have no war plans on my desk”
“This is just wild speculation”
“The way to solve this is with diplomacy”
“The military option is one that need not even be discussed. The President believes in a diplomatic approach”
The idea that the President has decided to attack Iran is just ridiculous..where would anyone get such an idea?
It is preposterous to even suggest that such a decision has been made.
Americans…..go back to sleep…nothing to see here. Nothing going on….go back to American Idol. And, isn’t Survivior on tonight?
April 23rd, 2006 at 8:07 amSorry I meant to say will not strike.
April 23rd, 2006 at 9:03 amIt looks as though the bushies are deadly serious about getting us into another untenable position with Iran. Maybe this is Nixon’s madman theory in action, but somehow with the warmongers in the white house, I think we’re on the road to a third front in the war for control of the Middle East’s oil wealth. You know addicts would do anything for a fix. I
April 23rd, 2006 at 9:04 amHmmm. Iran is a decade from developing a device, assuming that’s the intention. The sabre rattling is just so much noise meant to distract everyone with a new imminent menace, and to prepare us for some October fisticuffs.
You’d think more people would be tired of the gross manipulation.
I mean really. There is already an unstable Islamic country with nuclear weapons. You know, the one that has an uncatchable, bearded diabetic hiding in the mountains on its border?
Also, please consider the following: Iran has had nothing but benefit from our screwy Iraq mission. Say Iran goes ahead with its nuke program. Iran wins.
Say the U.S. attacks Iran’s nuke sites… Iran wins.
Consider the consequences beyond things going boom. An American attack on another country timed for political gain.
If I were the rest of the world, I’d be completely out of patience.
And we’d probably be in a ground war in Iraq against a country that has already showed itself capable of throwing countless lives away as it did in the Iraq-Iran war.
Ready to start mowing down children?
April 23rd, 2006 at 9:07 amActually Kerry would have invaded Afghanistan, no doubt about it, and we MIGHT HAVE BIN LADEN IN CUSTODY BY NOW.
Iraq would still be militarily contained, weaponless, 2400 AMERICANS WOULD STILL BE ALIVE AND THE AMERICAN TAXPAYER WOULD HAVE SAVED 200 BILLION DOLLARS.
The American military woldn’t be stretched so dangerously thin AND WE COULD MEET IRAN’S CHALLENGE HEAD-ON INSTEAD OF RESORTING TO POISONING MILLIONS OIF INNOCENT PEOPLE WITH RADIOACTIVITY.
April 23rd, 2006 at 9:14 amSie haben schuld.
April 23rd, 2006 at 9:20 amWe all know about ths administration’s crimes, and they have been many.
But I am honestly beginning to wonder if Bush is fit to serve; Cheney either for that matter.
We do not have an army to invade Iran. The only way we can strike Iran is with missiles and bombs.
It would be just like Mr. Shock and Awe Bush to Nuke Iran just to teach everyone else a lesson, figuring that the world economy would collapse if any of the other Nuclear powers responded in kind. The thing is, the world economy is likely to collapse anyway if he pre-emptively attacks Iran, even if it is conventional.
Oh, and by the way, does any one believe that the “cold war” is really over. Russia is still armed to the teeth. How is that winning? Russia simply dropped the dead weight and went right on.
April 23rd, 2006 at 9:21 amOh, and by the way, does any one believe that the “cold war†is really over. Russia is still armed to the teeth. How is that winning? Russia simply dropped the dead weight and went right on.
Comment by Trammell — April 23, 2006 @ 9:21 am
When it comes to megalomaniacs (everyone running a contenting forceful nation in this world is one, by the way), there is no ‘over’. It’s all about one upping one another until eventually, they WILL blow up the planet. They’ve already build the arsenals to do it. It’s just a matter of time before we get one crazy enough to actually push the button. George Bush just might be that lunactic. He thinks he’s going to Heaven no matter what, so really, there is nothing to stop him. That make him far more dangerous than an of teh Atheist Dictators in power, becaue they know that it’s game over, and well, they like the game too much to want that.
April 23rd, 2006 at 9:29 am2389 yee haa troops dead, the messengers of mass murderer bush deserve to die, they live by the sword then die by the sword yee haa the rest of the world laughs in your faces of the dumb ass americans who 52% think like anvilhead and IRI
YeeeeeeeeeeHAAAAAAAAAAA
April 23rd, 2006 at 9:36 amSie haben schuld.
Comment by Vic Anderson — April 23, 2006 @ 9:20 am
Yes, they are responsible.
(http://translation2.paralink.com/)
April 23rd, 2006 at 9:38 amI see a post up the thread from someone who seems incapable of turning off the caps key. Maybe they think caps make for louder reading? Or gives more weight to their argument? Ha. Guess with a name like anvilhead the caps key is hard to find. As to the argument that america is somehow responsible for the worlds security…well thats a joke, right? We can’t even see to our own security because of the irresponsible misadministration we are stuck with. You are being used anvilhead, but you can’t see that for all the hate that fills your soul.
April 23rd, 2006 at 9:54 amI once got to fly a Naval flight simulator (my boyfriend was a Nay pilot at the time). Now, even with an education in architecture and engineering, it would have taken me the same two years of flight school that it took him to know how to fly the damn thing. No one was taking off in those jets without the ability to fly them. 9 months preparation was simply not enough to know how to fly the planes and manuever them so that they both hit those towers like that.
“How long does it take to achieve my pilot wings?
If all the phases were to run back-to-back, the program would take about a year and a half to two years to complete. However, there can be gaps in-between flight training phases during which time pilots-in-training will do On The Job Training (OJT) on Air Force bases around the country.”
http://www.airforce.forces.gc.ca/pilot/faqs_e.asp#6
April 23rd, 2006 at 10:07 amThis is particularly scary, because our President is not a deep thinker nor a critical thinker, nor a long-term thinker (very reactionary), and is easily sold, and then he becomes this huge saleman.
He had this great education at Yale, but he acts as if he knows nothing about the world and history.
April 23rd, 2006 at 10:13 amHe had this great education at Yale, but he acts as if he knows nothing about the world and history.
Comment by Jack — April 23, 2006 @ 10:13 am
Between the cocaine and nepotism, I’m convinced that he didn’t get an education at either Yale or Harvard. Just a free ride. Those two universities should be embarrassed of themselves. After all, his father is.
April 23rd, 2006 at 10:17 amstuff american troops there bloody indiots , if you asked me to kill for a living I would refuse point blank -
Ask any soldier there main job is to kill and destroy property - thats what they should know when they sign up - thank god europeans have brains before they think job and jump when asked too
Your country is as bin laden said - EVIL
April 23rd, 2006 at 10:27 amBush staged this long before he came into power ? moron
Comment by Tom the Republican — April 23, 2006 @ 10:23 am
Bush? The man who ran 3 companies into teh ground because he couldn’t find oil in Texas could have planned this in his spare time while playing Governor and running for election? You really should think this nonsense through before you spout it. It makes you look irrational.
‘Moron’ is not supporting evidence. It’s only what those who have none call others who’ve disassembled their wacky claims.
April 23rd, 2006 at 10:27 amYour country is as bin laden said - EVIL
Comment by Tom the Republican — April 23, 2006 @ 10:27 am
We’re so evil that we allow you the freedom to say so on our blogs using our technology. You’re welcome.
April 23rd, 2006 at 10:29 amof course Bush did not think the 911 plan up but was a part of the plan before he even got into power
Got Bush aint got the brains to think anything up - my dog knows more words than bush and has more human emmotions - in fact my dog seems very enlightened more than the avergage american
April 23rd, 2006 at 10:39 amWhy can’t Israel take care of the Iran mess?????????? We better start protecting the USA.
April 23rd, 2006 at 10:43 amPeople are going to come unglued here and all HELL will break loose.
in fact my dog seems very enlightened more than the avergage american
Comment by Tom the Republican — April 23, 2006 @ 10:39 am
Well, he is more enlightened than you,. so it’s not really as if you have much of a frame of reference for those more intelligent than you. Would be like asking a third grader to read Einstein’s Theory of Relativity and offer a critique. He can’t do it - it’s over his head.
You’ve not offered anything here but conjecture. Sorry, I don’t do conjecture.
April 23rd, 2006 at 10:45 amWhy can’t Israel take care of the Iran mess?????????? We better start protecting the USA.
People are going to come unglued here and all HELL will break loose.
Comment by Zola Daniels — April 23, 2006 @ 10:43 am
I agree that we have to stop being Israel’s crutch. Let them learn to run themselves. Other tiny nations do so just fine. Look at Monaco or Liechtenstein or Palau. They have to behave themselves because they don’t have a Big Brither there to fight their battles when they don’t.
April 23rd, 2006 at 10:54 amFor those arguing the 9/11 questions….wonder why you’re not simply screaming for an investigation into the events of that day. We have NEVER had one. The Kean Commission had to work with the ridiculous official story and only looked into the intel failures.
Here’s a MUST READ to wake you up about the cover up. Arguing among ourselves is a waste of precious time and energy.
Mr. Bush, We KNOW What You Did That Summer….
http://tvnewslies.org/blog/?p=351
April 23rd, 2006 at 10:57 amRESENDE, Brazil — As Iran faces international pressure over developing the raw material for nuclear weapons, Brazil is quietly preparing to open its own uranium-enrichment center, capable of producing exactly the same fuel.
Brazil, like Iran, has signed the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, and Brazil’s Constitution bans the military use of nuclear energy.
ALSO LIBYA too
April 23rd, 2006 at 11:01 amMr. Bush, We KNOW What You Did That Summer….
http://tvnewslies.org/blog/?p=351
Comment by Reg — April 23, 2006 @ 10:57 am
Guys, we do have real issues to debate. You want this to be true so badly that you are ignoring the simple fact that it’s nuts.
But knock yourselves out. I debated RemoveBush for long enough already. You can go back and read the archives. I’m not interested in repeating myself.
We need to instead discuss how to get the corruption out of Washington in November, so that we can turn this country back into the great nation it once was. Anyone wanna discuss that. let me know - otherwise, I have better things to do.
April 23rd, 2006 at 11:03 amthe world will be a better place when we all have nukes only then will we co-operate to ban them
April 23rd, 2006 at 11:05 amthe world will be a better place when we all have nukes only then will we co-operate to ban them
Comment by Tom the Republican — April 23, 2006 @ 11:05 am
Could you put your dog on here instead?
Are you insane? Do you not realize that there are already crazy peope blowing themselves up because they believe that they will go to a utopian after-life for doing so? I’m sure they’d love to have their hands on a nuke.
The world will be safer, as it once was, when NO ONE has the damn things.
April 23rd, 2006 at 11:10 amThey’re Staying in Iraq pictures inc
The message is clear. Indeed, it’s gigantic for all Iraqis, for the entire world to see. A 100 acre compound – ten times the size of the typical U.S. embassy, the size of 80 football fields, six times larger than the UN, the size of Vatican City. The US Embassy Compound, in the middle of Baghdad – the center for US domination of the Middle East and its resources.
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/zeese.php?articleid=8885
April 23rd, 2006 at 11:13 amTRUTH:
April 23rd, 2006 at 11:14 amIf you want to really know what is going on in the world…read the PROTOCOLS of the LEARNED ELDERS of ZION. It was their to do list written around 1884 in Basel Switzerland,head speaker was Rothchild of course. These PROTOCOLS were transcribed and distributed to the special heads of the Grand Lodges of Freemasonary in Western Europe.The secret societies have followed these plans to take over the world and they are NOW very close to compleation. THEIR NEW WORLD ORDER will be for the common people an ORWELLIAN nightmare. You had better hope they LOSE in their insane M.E. wars…as they plan to do the same thing HERE.
US wanted to swap Iraq for Saudi Arabia as permanent base in middle east
http://www.globalsecurity.org/ military/ facility/ iraq-maps.htm
bases above
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/zeese.php?articleid=8885
news
The infrastructure is being put in place for a long-term military presence in Iraq. Unless Americans get tired of footing the growing and expensive bill for occupying Iraq – now at nearly $10 Billion per month – or the Iraqis are able to force the United States to leave it looks like Baghdad will be the center of operations for the US presence in the Middle East. The US will be sitting on top of the Earth’s vast, but shrinking, oil resources.
April 23rd, 2006 at 11:18 amWhy the hell does he need to go to Stanford. He has the US Institute of Peace in his own back yard. Unless he would rather reap more cannon fodder for his “vital interests.”
April 23rd, 2006 at 11:31 amTOM… #131…… and a big fat target to lob bombs at!
April 23rd, 2006 at 11:32 amThe following Quotes are my response to ALL that back this regiem and their globe trotting beliefs; “Beware of the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry, [who] infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so.â€
April 23rd, 2006 at 11:35 amrainstormsong —— And, Sandra Day O’Connor, a Republican-appointed judge who retired last month after 24 years on the supreme court, has said the US is in danger of edging towards dictatorship—-”It takes a lot of degeneration before a country falls into dictatorship, but we should avoid these ends by avoiding these beginnings.”
#138 Unbelievable
You don’t ‘believe’ it? I thought we were discussing facts and logic? You haven’t offered any in response. Tell me how what I said isn’t valid using ‘facts’ andnot ‘emotions’, and then I will consider what you have to say. Until then, admit that you don’t know what you’re arguing about and just stop. It makes you look irrational to even liberals. Is that what you want?
Your pancake theory dosn’t hold up.
Fact: People use syrup on pancakes
Fact: No syrup was used to bring down the WTC
See, its all blatantly obvious once you open your eyes and stop believing everyting BushCo. feeds you.
now back to house work
April 23rd, 2006 at 11:40 amBest not to argue on this thread topic about the 9/11 attack, but building #7 in the WTC complex was never hit by a plane, so its free fall collapse was questionable! Owner of the complex also said “Pull building 7″ which in demolition lingo means > blow it up!
As for Bush being in office only 9 months, before the event, so how could they plan it so well? Back in the early 1960’s the CIA and Pentagon came up with a plan to have planes flown into buildings in New York, or other major city, and blame it on Cuba so Americans would demand an invasion of Castro’s island nation! Since Bush Senior may have been involved in that plan, that was rejected by President Kennedy as crazy, then not far-fetched to assume that old plan could have been taken off the shelf and upgraded in 9 months time! A real independent investigation is needed of what really happened on 9/11 and if our government was shown in any way involved that would mean capital punishment (hanging) of all involved?! Nonetheless 9/11 if not a conspiracy, then proved Bush incompetance!!!
April 23rd, 2006 at 11:44 amBUNCH OF FAT OLD RICH BASTARDS !!!!! Oh yeah they know whats best for us all. and that is to shut up and go to work at your minimum wage job and WE’ll take care of everything!! UNtil war time and then…. All you poor 18 and 19 year olds who dont have a direction because you’ve been beaten down by the system get your asses over there and protect that OIL!!!!
April 23rd, 2006 at 11:49 amMy take on 9/11
It was not a case of the towers being rigged to explode because the simple fact of the matter is, they could have saved American Airlines 2 planes by just letting the bombs off. It isn’t like a straight bombing would have had a different result. The conspiracy theory around 9/11 just makes its proponents sound nuts.
But, what must be noted is that I feel is that Bush being president made it that much easier to pull off. Through incompetence, arrogance, negligence, or some combination of the three, Bush ignored the information which was immediatley available to him upon assuming office, and further ignored the advice of the people who your country was paying to advise him on terrorism.
Further, Bush’s actions on the day, and those that followed showed not a strong leader taking the reigns in a time of troubles, but a positive weasel of a man trying to ride the tragedy for all it was worth, while striving to avoid anybody taking a serious look at his ability to lead in the face of such a dramatic failure.
While he is not directly guilty of planning, or even insuring the success of the 9/11 assault, I honestly feel that Gore, for all of his faults, would have handled it better.
April 23rd, 2006 at 11:52 amAnd when I say he I mean Bush, not Gore.
April 23rd, 2006 at 11:53 amCome on, how about a response to #137— we have S D O’Conner concerned about where we are going as a nation, and what i believe to be crazy people in charge of our (we the people’s) fate…they seem to be willing to scare us into complete submission.
April 23rd, 2006 at 11:54 amBest not to argue on this thread topic about the 9/11 attack,
But not until after you add your two cents, right?
Nonetheless 9/11 if not a conspiracy, then proved Bush incompetance!!!
Comment by Jay Randal — April 23, 2006 @ 11:44 am
I just think this makes the left sound crazy, because there is no concrete evidence. Just a lot of speculation. If someone wants to convince me theywill have to do it in terms that make sense to me, not by pulling out one item and saying how that one thing is not valid on its own. It has to be in context to everythng else. And that’s not the current theory.
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:02 pmSQUEGEBOOO…. i really have a problem with the ‘now back to housework’ comment.
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:04 pmPLEASE!!!! if you werent on a liberal blog i would say that you sure sound ‘chauvinistic’
regardless of what you believe, women can do house work and THINK!! we are great multitaskers. unlike some men who can only fart and sip beer at the same time but thats about it. please put your wife-beater t-shirt away and accept what she believes. it would make your posts more inviting to read. i too think there was some kind of conspiracy. most likely involving Israel. but i am willing to listen to unbelieveable and grant her her opionion. can you do the same? please???
Able danger, Able danger, Able danger…did any of you see or hear much about the outcome of those hearings???probably not
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:06 pmWhile he is not directly guilty of planning, or even insuring the success of the 9/11 assault, I honestly feel that Gore, for all of his faults, would have handled it better.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — April 23, 2006 @ 11:52 am
Considering terrorists had already tried to bomb the towers prior to 9/11, it makes much more sense that they would just blow it up again. No need to risk the Airline Industry’s financial bottom line, considering what 9/11 did to hurt teh very companies who help pay for our elected officials to get into office to begin wiith.
I agree with you. Bush didn’t plan it, but wasn’t competent enough to stop it. Considering that Clinton’s Administration probably would have communicated better with Gore’s, then there was logically a much better chance that if Gore had been in office, as elected, 9/11 never would have happened.
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:10 pmUNBELIEVABLE….. duplicity…stupidity… People died. i blame Goober either way!!!
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:15 pmit’s very hard NOT to believe in a conspiracy when the National Archives as we speak are being gutted of the ‘FACTS’. seems odd!
Of historical interest: At the turn of the century another American president wanted war on Spain, to take over several islands of economic importance in the Caribbean! “Remember the Maine” was the battle cry of the Spanish-American War > the US battleship the Maine was mysteriously sunk in Havana Harbor, off Cuba, and America claimed it was blown up by a mine planted underneath it by the Spanish. The war took place, which America won, and Puerto Rico was given to the United States, as well as control over Cuba and the Dominican Republic!
A few years ago a team of divers with National Geographic magazine explored the hulk of the Maine at the bottom of Havana Harbor > the metal was bent outwards at the explosion site, which proved the ship was blown up on the inside and NOT by a mine! Recently documents have come to light that the Maine was blown up by our government to facilitate that war!
This could be the case with 9/11 and the WTC towers, so a real investigation is required! If our government has nothing to hide, then they would allow a real investigation, but if they did it like the Maine, then no wonder they want the event covered up forever, or at least a hundred years like the Maine incident!
I respect “unbelievable” and “Bruce Gorton” in their opinions, even though our ideas differ on this! WE may actually never know the truth in our lifetimes > sad but true!
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:15 pmMeg,
I think Squeegie meant that he was going back to his house work. Could be wrong, but I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt in this case because a couple of irrational men around here is already more than enough for one today…
Can we get back on the subject of Iran?
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:17 pm#159… Perhaps Bush wasn’t smart enough to stop it. He took the event all the way to the bank, however.
And I don’t know there aren’t elements in there somwhere who turned a blind eye at the right moment.
What lengths will these people (and George is only one of them) go to to maintain power? I really don’t know anymore.
The most poweful nation in the history of the planet unable to find a diabetic hiding in a cave? I think not. Someone considers him of value as a piece on the board.
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:18 pmI am sort of a junkie on info…CNN,Cspan, Msnbc, Link Tv, FSTV, Randi Rhodes, Rush, ORiely, Air America, Oberman, and of course John Stewart, Colbertt, Al Franken,ect ect. Where the hell is there any info on Able danger? We all oght to be screaming about the lack of coverage on this SO important issue….
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:20 pmUNBELIEVABLE.. please see my comment #143.. that was my Iran statement about the Hoover Institute. :) just trying to cut through the angry rhetoric!
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:21 pmWhat are we going to do about it? Well as we speak, we are forming a protest in the Nevada Desert for June 1-3. If enough show up, then hopefully they will have to answer to “We the People”
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:22 pmSanto
I just read Northwoods. It has some common elements, such as the use of civilian planes to fake an international incident, but frankly the resemblance is mostly coincidental. The incidents described in Northwoods, beyond involving civilian airlines and perhaps hostages, aren’t really all that similar.
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:27 pmMeg,
That’s one of the bigger issues - these poor kids who are dying over there, fighting a war they thought was to defend their country when Iraq was never a real threat. And the civilians getting caught in the mix… I mean, we vrag about our state-of-the-art military, but then we have to cause all this mess and mayhem to remove one person? Doesn’t make sense to me.
I think it was, in part, a reaction to those on the right who believe a war is good for the economy.
I think Bush is short-sighted and inept and actuallybelieves he’s doing God’s work. He didn’t think this war through. Didn’t consider the casualities and had no exit plan. I don’t know why anyone is surprised that someone who couldn’t find oil in Texas with 3 different companies is bankrupting the nation and on the verge of igniting WWIII.
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:27 pmFOCUS: Senator John Kerry | The Right to Dissent http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/042306Y.shtml
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:28 pmSenator John Kerry, in a speech delivered in Boston on Saturday, reaffirms that it was right to dissent in 1971 from a war that was wrong. Kerry states that it is both a right and an obligation for Americans today to disagree with a President who is wrong, a policy that is wrong, and a war in Iraq that weakens the nation.
LYSIANA…. any details?? website??? i am in that neck of the woods and will show up!!!
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:28 pmunbelievable - for what it’s worth - i’m not a conspiracy theorist either - hurts too much to think any leader would actually conceive of such horrors - BUT … after watching “loose change” and the facts presented, it does appear that such people could exist … but we knew that after discovering the atrocities of hitler and pals… it’s a sick world and i put nothing past anyone these days … sad…
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:33 pmthat’s all about this from me … the iran thing is certainly THE big problem of the day - and the testing in nevada is, of course, related - WE NEED TO STOP THIS MADDNESS.
177 Randi Rhodes has been onto this for awhile now…she nailed CNN’s Lou Dobbs on it last week…he hasn’t mentioned it again as far as i know
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:33 pmLYSIANA….. i went to yur website. I saw the article on the protest in Nevada. also listened to the presidential address and laughed my arse off! thanks for that!
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:36 pmSanto, sounds like you 2 need a mediator
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:40 pmWhat are we going to do about it? Well as we speak, we are forming a protest in the Nevada Desert for June 1-3. If enough show up, then hopefully they will have to answer to “We the Peopleâ€
Comment by Lysiana — April 23, 2006 @ 12:22 pm
Can we do the same thing November 7th, at each person’s individual polling station?
Ballots are better than bullets!
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:41 pmHonestly, libertarians are dangerous anarchists and sociopaths, and any organization like this assisting in subversion of US and international law to create war should be arrested.
Conservatives live in constant fear and paranoia, it’s one of the many symptoms proving that conservatism is a mental illness, It’s time to stop playing nice with them and start punishing.
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:41 pmI am giong to leave this newly discovered sit for now. It was interesting……I REPEAT…ABLE DANGER ABLE DANGER ABLE DANGER ABLE DANDER ABLE DANGER
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:44 pmI just had to return for one more question for unbelieveable…What did you think of the Able danger hearings?
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:51 pmI just had to return for one more question for unbelieveable…What did you think of the Able danger hearings?
Comment by Inawh — April 23, 2006 @ 12:51 pm
Sorry I didn’t engage you. Sort of a Achilles Heel for me to have the last word over someone who makes personal attacks…
I actually don’t know much about it, and tend not to post on things I know nothing about - but instead read comment of those who do. I guess the people who can discuss the subject aren’t around yet. Usually, Sunday afternoons are when things pick up. And there’s more traffic during the week.
Welcome. It’s actually a great blog. Lots of really smart people here. You should find what you are looking for. Don’t let this mindless discourse between me and Santo impact your opinion of it. We normally agree on most stuff. I’m just not big on conspiracy theories without evidence….
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:57 pmCome ooonnn Unbelieveable, i am full of anticapition waiting on an answer to my question #197
April 23rd, 2006 at 1:01 pmCome ooonnn Unbelieveable, i am full of anticapition waiting on an answer to my question #197
Comment by Inawh — April 23, 2006 @ 1:01 pm
197 was Santo. Your question is 196. I answered it in 199. Unless all the numbers changed, which happens sometimes, and why I don’t use them anymore.
April 23rd, 2006 at 1:03 pmSANTO….. quit badgering! you are losing credibility. that makes me mad because you have a lot of GOOD things to say!! you have made your point and there are a lot of people who agree. lets talk about Iran and the spectre of atomic war.
April 23rd, 2006 at 1:03 pmSANTO…. NOOOO… dont be quiet!!! :) We need you!!!!
April 23rd, 2006 at 1:10 pmAble danger should scare the hell out of any true blooded American…..left, right or other it will not be easy but, you all should find all the info you can on it…..the hearings shed a lot of light on what has be going on, and will be going on if we all are kept in the dark about it…..
April 23rd, 2006 at 1:10 pmyou have made your point and there are a lot of people who agree. lets talk about Iran and the spectre of atomic war.
Comment by meg_mac — April 23, 2006 @ 1:03 pm
Actually, not many people do agree and I’ve been told that Judd thinks the whole 9/11 conspiracy theory makes the left look insane. Not hard to understand why.
When there is a choice between two possibilities, the one that is usually true is the one that is the simpliest. The 9/11 Theory is extremely complicated. There are more plausible and logical explanations that exist, and are therefore probably more likely. I personally think Bush should be removed from office. But I don’t thnk he masterminded 9/11. I don’t think he was capable.
April 23rd, 2006 at 1:12 pmDean’s closing sentence nails Bush:
“There is, however, the possibility of another terrorist attack, and if one occurred, Americans would again rally around the president - wrongly so, since this is a presidency that lives on fear-mongering about terror, but does little to truly address it. The possibility that we might both suffer an attack, and see a boost to Bush come from it, is truly a terrifying thought.”
April 23rd, 2006 at 1:13 pmSANTO and unbelievable > both of your opinions have merit, so stop the bickering > attack I-R-I if he comes on here or Seixon who claims he is Norwegian now > lol. 9/11 needs a real investigation to determine what really happened! If it happened as Bush claims, then he should want it to be proven, but he is scared the actual truth could come out! IF it was a conspiracy, then all those who died in WTC towers would demand prison for all government officials involved in it or hanging for them! Bush will never allow the truth out as long as he is alive!
Best to be concerned about what Dubya may do to justify a war on Iran?!
April 23rd, 2006 at 1:15 pmJay,
He’s trying to bully me, so I won’t back down. Sorry, that’s my issue, I know, but better than doing drugs or beating little children I would think.
Now, if we get attacked again, I would be willing to believe Bush ordered it, if the evidence supported it. Now, it’s a very, very different ball game, but back then, it just doesn’t make sense. Not with my education and professional experience.
Seixon from Norway? Clearly he’s never been. I was there in 1998, and they were pretty much left of center. The only thing he’s left of is evangelical neo-con.
April 23rd, 2006 at 1:20 pmSANTO…. good!!!! check out the current issue of The New Yorker’. Sydney Hersch again with a great article on Iran. also ‘The Sun’ has a really good piece on Iran plus some blogs that are coming out of Iran. soooo interesting and relevant. People really are alike all over the world. Too bad governments get in the way of us seeing this!!!
April 23rd, 2006 at 1:23 pmIt seems like you’all are beating a dead dog with this conspiracy stuff..(and i have seen Loose change,& Mike Moore’s movie)…there is a lot of info in all of it. But it is not like our goverment is going to let anything become of it…….START listening to me about ……ya know……ABLED DANGER….i hate sounding like a broken record..but i have been screaming about this ever since the Senate hearings— many many deaf ears…
April 23rd, 2006 at 1:26 pm