Bush Meets Privately With Think Tank Promoting Military Strike On Iran
Bush Meets Privately With Think Tank Promoting Military Strike On Iran
This tidbit about President Bush’s schedule was buried in today’s Washington Post:
Bush traveled Friday night to Stanford University, where he met privately with members of the libertarian Hoover Institution to discuss the war. He concluded the day with a private dinner held by George P. Shultz, a Hoover fellow and former secretary of state.
Why is this significant? The Hoover Institution is a think tank that has been aggressively promoting the viability of a preemptive military strike in Iran. Here’s just a couple of recent examples —
Thomas Sowell, a senior fellow at Hoover:
[Europe] will be able to think of all sorts of nicer alternatives to taking out Iran’s nuclear development sites. They will be able to come up with all sorts of abstract arguments and moral equivalence, such as: Other countries have nuclear weapons. Why not Iran? Debating abstract questions is much easier than confronting concrete and often brutal alternatives. The big question is whether we are serious or suicidal. [Creators Syndicate, 1/3/06]
Tod Lindberg, a research fellow at Hoover:
Whatever it is that Saddam was going to perpetrate in his remaining years in power, whatever he intended to bequeath to his sons and whatever in turn they would do to follow up on his legacy, this we have prevented… Which takes us back to Iran…I don’t think it would be a good idea to wait around in the hope that we never arrive at the moment when we realize we should have done something. [Washington Times, 4/18/06]
George P. Schultz, who hosted the event, was an “early defender of the use of pre-emptive force to deal with Saddam Hussein’s regime in Iraq.â€
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King George Bush II is planning to attack Iran before the November elections, so his secret meeting has ties to his sinister plan most certainly! All Americans must contact their Senators and Representatives to NOT allow the Bush Regime to launch on attack on Iran!
April 22nd, 2006 at 7:59 pmPeople eagerly awaiting the end of America and the end of the American empire hope that America would attack Iran, and attack it now.
I hope everybody else is paying attention to the fact that Russia and China can afford an American-occupied Iran even less than they can afford a disruption of their Iranian oil supplies on which their current growth is so dependent. If we could not chew on bites of the size of Afghanistan or Iraq, how big do you think our next bite should be?
April 22nd, 2006 at 8:02 pmGreat catch. I spotted a photo earlier of students protesting @ Stanford while Bush was there and the purpose of his visit blew right by me. The photo — at first glance — I thought was Nepal!
April 22nd, 2006 at 8:14 pm> .. of the libertarian Hoover Institution…
Could someone explain what is “libertarian” about the policy of pre-emptive wars?
April 22nd, 2006 at 8:16 pmThis is horrible. God it’s hard watching this happen. It’s time to do something
April 22nd, 2006 at 8:18 pmPre-emptiv strikes could also involve navel blockad and air strikes.
This of course leaves open Iran tit for tat retalition. Most likey increased insugency attacks on US forces in Iraq and Afganistain.
A full scale “liberation” of Iran is extremey unlikey
April 22nd, 2006 at 8:20 pmBush Meets Think Tank to Promote Iran War…
Next up: Bush really, really promises that he’ll go to war only as a last resort……
April 22nd, 2006 at 8:25 pmdiscerning readers of fcuk bush would know about the Global Strike Chronology
This IS the October surprise:
they have a cool logo too!
oh, and please remember to ‘duck and cover, duck and cover’
April 22nd, 2006 at 8:31 pmIf this president is potentially putting our lives at risk with this shit, dont we have a right to defend ourselves against him…no matter what? I’d like to hear what others think.
April 22nd, 2006 at 8:34 pmWho is bush listening to, the palavers of doom?
April 22nd, 2006 at 8:37 pmhe is listening to god whom he contacts by holding his ear up to condi’s pudental region whilst she reads to him about goats and flowers…
just a guess.
April 22nd, 2006 at 8:39 pmCan someone tell me how Bush can entertain moving against Iran and at the same time claim that he is keeping us all safer? A first counter move would clearly be to strike at the US heartland via the t errorist network.
April 22nd, 2006 at 8:43 pm50 Ways To Dump The Dubya
Goper’s Lament (Hard To Be A Republican)
April 22nd, 2006 at 8:51 pm#12
hi. i’ll shut up after this post, but, a good read that may explain why bush is acting this way is in john dean’s most recent article…
i think it really goes far in explaining this beast….
April 22nd, 2006 at 8:51 pmWill the Hoovers give us the green light on North Korea too?
April 22nd, 2006 at 8:53 pmIt is our military commanders that will have to stand up to this self appoint King. They have a military duty to not follow illegal orders for a mad man.
April 22nd, 2006 at 8:53 pmIt is our military commanders that will have to stand up to this self appointed King. They have a military duty to not follow illegal orders for a mad man.
April 22nd, 2006 at 8:53 pmIran and Russia are becoming more friendly; China is gobbling up the world, but the crazed cowboy in the White House thinks he can still shoot first and ask questions later. Diplomacy is not a word used by cowboys.
April 22nd, 2006 at 8:58 pmThis is just too scary — someone has to stop the madness.
We need to pull the plug on the W, Rove and Co before they go willy nilly into another untenable war with Iran. At 10 Billion a month for Iraq, we can’t afford Iran too.
April 22nd, 2006 at 9:00 pm[deleted by admin}
April 22nd, 2006 at 9:13 pmIf this president is potentially putting our lives at risk with this shit, dont we have a right to defend ourselves against him…no matter what? I’d like to hear what others think.
Comment by Vance
Punk, you have the right to do anything you’re big and brave enough to do.
April 22nd, 2006 at 9:16 pm#1 Jay Randal: You’re pretty close. But the way I see it is that he’ll have Dick (head) Cheney orchestrate another terrorist attack here or in Israel. Blame it on Hezbollah because Iran is known to fund them and then attack. Part 2 of the Project for the New American Century’s agenda.
Gas will then sky-rocket to about $6-$7 per gallon and will usher in the beginning of the end of the American middle class as we know it. Bring in more Mexicans to be subserviant to the ultra-rich elite and the Bush people are soon to be on their way to their version of “paradise”.
Oh, don’t forget, there will also be a lot of use of the term “patriotism” during this insane debacle.
Sinister, demented and just plain sick and stupid.
April 22nd, 2006 at 9:17 pmWhy just call out Hoover for their war-mongering “fellows” urging “pre-emption” on Shrub…there’s at least 6-8 other DC-based so-called “think tanks” pushing the same line, they have direct access to the WH via OVP and The Cabal, and these types represent the only perspective on “dealing with Iran’s nuclear threat” that the half-witted clot hears these days.
April 22nd, 2006 at 9:17 pmThe Hoover visit was PR stuff, organised by Schultz, and included as part of Shithead’s CA liebefest with Da Arnie.
Interesting that Bush goes to the Hoover Institute which is named for President Hoover who was a horrible leader who loved the wealthy and caused the “Great Depression” too! George is following Hoover’s failed degenerate policies which will cause another economic collapse, and remember what followed Hoover’s depression > Adolf Hitler’s Germany and WWII!
April 22nd, 2006 at 9:22 pmAnybody find the Repug postings as hilarious as I do?
People who so loudly and proudly proclaim the virtue of death in so many slogans: “Death before Dishonor†“Better Dead than Red†“Give me Liberty or give me Death†are the same cowards who are so afraid of death at the hands of some terrorists that they will allow the rape of their country, mortgage their children’s future and give up all their freedoms in exchange for some chicken hawk’s promise to protect them from such an unlikely fate.
Someone should inform them of the fact that they have more chances of winning the Mega Millions lottery than dying due to an act of terrorism.
April 22nd, 2006 at 9:26 pmI-RIGhT-I …….You off your meds boy? Violence is a tool of the weak,like your child raping buddy rummy…it is WE who will find YOU and your ilk and expose you for the traitors retards you are. Dont bother responding, your posts carry no credibility just like your life.
April 22nd, 2006 at 9:26 pm#20 U-Wrong-U: I see you’re at the whiskey again. I bet you also have your little plastic Jesus statue superglued to your monitor so you can praise God for the great American Bush death march as you spew your fascist, juvenile, bully blather for the rest of us here to wonder in amazement as to how you could possibly lower yourself any further. Can you go any lower? Show us, fool.
Now go and regurgitate the booze along with what’s left of your brain and then go and pass out on your mother, shit-for-brains. She wants you!
April 22nd, 2006 at 9:27 pmOh, yes, Shithead took time out from his busy schedule today to issue a statement re: latest musical chairs in Iraq:
“There’s going to be more tough fighting ahead in Iraq and there’ll be more days of sacrifice and struggle,” Bush said. “Yet, the enemies of freedom have suffered a real blow today, and we’ve taken a great stride on the march to victory.
“This historic achievement by determined Iraqis will make America more secure,” he said.
What is this burbling bunghole saying, for God’s sake?
In the same news article:
Five U.S. soldiers were killed Saturday, including four whose vehicle hit a roadside bomb during a patrol in south Baghdad, the military said. Nearly 2,400 members of the U.S. military have died since the U.S.-led invasion in March 2003.
Also in the same news article:
Bush called Canada’s prime minister, Stephen Harper, to discuss the developments in Iraq. The president also offered condolences about the four Canadian soldiers killed Saturday by a roadside bomb in Afghanistan.
Hope Shithead enjoyed his dinner at Schultz’s bunker.
April 22nd, 2006 at 9:29 pmOh, yes, Shithead took time out from his busy schedule today to issue a statement re: latest musical chairs in Iraq:
“There’s going to be more tough fighting ahead in Iraq and there’ll be more days of sacrifice and struggle,” Bush said. “Yet, the enemies of freedom have suffered a real blow today, and we’ve taken a great stride on the march to victory.
“This historic achievement by determined Iraqis will make America more secure,” he said.
What is this burbling bunghole saying, for God’s sake?
In the same news article:
Five U.S. soldiers were killed Saturday, including four whose vehicle hit a roadside bomb during a patrol in south Baghdad, the military said. Nearly 2,400 members of the U.S. military have died since the U.S.-led invasion in March 2003.
Also in the same news article:
Bush called Canada’s prime minister, Stephen Harper, to discuss the developments in Iraq. The president also offered condolences about the four Canadian soldiers killed Saturday by a roadside bomb in Afghanistan.
Hope Shithead enjoyed his dinner at Schultz’s bunker.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_iraq;_ylt=ArQGkKyPTf0133YTUed6ju6s0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ–
April 22nd, 2006 at 9:29 pmbush didn’t need to go there, he should just look at the polls and see whe the American puplic want….no war with Iran. Schultz/Cheney are war mongers and always have been….because there is big money in it.
April 22nd, 2006 at 9:30 pmYes post 22 > If the Bush Regime attacks Iran, then gas shortages would occur, which means rationing and probably up to $10 a gallon eventually! Also it would cause an economic recession and massive unemployment > probably at least 20% jobless nationwide! Emergency draft would be needed because the attack on Iran would most likely set off global WWIII, so those unemployed would be forced into the military as cannon fodder troops!
April 22nd, 2006 at 9:36 pm#31 Jay Randal: Anyone or any entity that tries to kidnap my son for that kind of political insanity will be met with instant death by shotgun!
Pawns, that’s all we are to them. Expendable. This country is about to be bankrupted into oblivion just like the old Soviet Union. Splintered into quarrelling little factions with little or no power to do or accomplish anything.
I wonder what houses are going for in Brazil right now.
April 22nd, 2006 at 9:49 pmIf gas does go to $10 a gallon because of another Bush war and I lose my job and my ability to provide for my family, then the mantra “Fight them there so we dont fight them here” will have no meaning….I WILL fight for my family HERE!
April 22nd, 2006 at 9:50 pmRemember the part of the oath: to defend this nation against all enemies foreign AND DOMESTIC! We all know who the real enemy of America is. Nothing more than a coke-snorting, alcoholic, spoiled rotten, rich kid with daddy’s connections.
It’s amazing what the qualifications for the Presidency of the United States has been reduced to.
April 22nd, 2006 at 9:57 pmMr. Evil and Vance > that is WHY we all have to stop Bush NOW before he attacks Iran! If he does it, then it sets in motion all kinds of problems > Halliburton is supposedly starting construction on detention camps for Americans who oppose the Bush Regime, so this whole thing is turning sinister and very ugly! I do NOT want to see our America torn to pieces by Bush and old fat Cheney!
April 22nd, 2006 at 9:58 pmI-RIGhT-I
I think you owe Abby an apology; you’re bang out of order with the type of language you used in you personal attack. It is one thing to be passionate about your personally held beliefs, and to champion your political affiliations. But to be so obnoxious, crude in the use of the type of language that you use, it makes you sound like the type of person who encapsulates and embodies everything that is wrong with people from the right of the political spectrum. The charges that you laid at the feet of Abby, sound much more to do with your own personal hang-ups, there is some deep-rooted personal neurosis in your posts/rants, which are there for everybody to read. This makes you look like the redneck bigot that you so obviously espouse to be.
Try having an intelligent discussion on the points that are being raised, instead of resorting to vitriolic character assassinations. But then again being a right-winger this probably comes as second nature to you, as your role models are George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney and Karl Rove.
April 22nd, 2006 at 9:59 pm[deleted by admin]
April 22nd, 2006 at 10:12 pm#2 Abby: Don’t you find it a little disconcerting that Bush and his cronies would risk our future just so he and a few (mostly) old white men can reap all the benefits of war for oil?
Take a look around you and realize that most of the inventions and innovations you enjoy and we all take for granted were begun in America. When push comes to shove, human beings can accomplish most anything. We can already grow all the fuel we need for internal combustion engines. All we have to do to have cheap, renewable fuel basically forever is to build the refineries now to process it into ethanol.
We built the Empire State Building, the Golden Gate Bridge, the interstate highway system. We already make synthetic oil for lubrication. We can’t make ethanol to power our cars? Fuck the middle east and their oil. Bush is all talk when it comes to alternative energy. Where are the grants and government investments for actual, real time accomplishments?
Oil is not here forever, ethanol, methanol, hydrogen, etc. are.
April 22nd, 2006 at 10:20 pm>>hi. i’ll shut up after this post,
April 22nd, 2006 at 10:20 pmRemoveBush, I think your right, but I am shocked that people are so stunned that the don’t want to admit that it really happened. I also notice that over time it is sinking in. ‘Loose change’ woke me up,but yet I still find it hard to believe with the facts right in front of my face.
April 22nd, 2006 at 10:25 pmThe arrogance and ignorance of the Right Wing Nuts is astounding. They sincerely believe that we can just do what ever the hell we want and the world will just sit by and watch passively. That German guy thought the same thing. The totalitarian neo-cons forget that he also lost the war and ended up trapped in a bunker.
This country was built and defended by people who value freedom, not power. Unfortunately today’s neo-con idiots value only profit for themselves and they have an unquenchable thirst for power.
If I am not mistaken, they also wrap themselves in the mantle of Christianity. I guess they just forgot to read that stuff the carpenter said about “blessed are the peacemakers”?
I believe there was another passage about those who “live by the sword, shall die by the sword.” I think that was pretty good advice 2000 years ago and it’s pretty good advice now.
Bush and his power mad administration must resign, or they must be brought to justice and impeached. The world will not stand by and let them push civilization over the nuclear cliff.
April 22nd, 2006 at 10:25 pm[deleted by admin]
April 22nd, 2006 at 10:27 pmBush traveled Friday night to Stanford University, where he met privately with members of the libertarian Hoover Institution
Hoover is listed as a Republican think tank. CATO is decidedly libertarian. Sure there are libertarians there. They spring up all over the place like mushrooms on manure after a summer rain. There are far too many flavors of libertarianism to use the term in any meaningful sense.
April 22nd, 2006 at 10:29 pmI-R-I….too stupid to know he’s being played.
Only a complete moron or someone who is paid to support this administration would sactrifice their personal integrity and credibility, supporting the absolutely worst bunch of thieves who have stolen our government.
IRI, here’s your banana —> ( The Alpha-Monkey appreciates your brainless support.
April 22nd, 2006 at 10:40 pm#45 squegeeboo: Maybe they didn’t feel like being stranded in Topeka or Memphis or Lincoln or Billings or wherever they may have been close to when the FAA ordered all flights grounded. Unless they wanted to go to Saudi Arabia because the flights for the bin Laden’s were allowed to escape and fly unobstructed.
April 22nd, 2006 at 10:44 pm#38, Mr. Evil: You are absolutely right. There is no telling how much real progress can be accomplished by simply applying American ingenuity and treasure in the right places. Instead we are stuck with a few criminals who waste all that we have at our disposal in the pursuit of a few more bucks for themselves. How much money is enough or more than enough?
There should be so much more to man’s existence than the mere pursuit of money but man seems to have got himself stuck in a rut where mere purchasing power appears to be the pinnacle of the level of civilization man is capable of achieving.
There, now I have managed to depress myself. Oh well, tomorrow is another day with a brand new sun. There will be life tomorrow and as long as there is life, there is hope.
April 22nd, 2006 at 11:09 pm#58 Abby: Well, Abby I do remember a time when the term ‘American ingenuity’ meant something. Also I remember ‘good old American know how’. We had the confidence that we could solve any problem for everybody. That, to me, is what this country used to be about, at least in one very good sense.
Sorry to contradict you on one fact though. Not a new sun tomorrow, just the same one that happens to allow this planet to perpetuate the life upon it along with the 6 billion humans that sit back and allow about 1000 humans (especially 2) to ruin it for all.
April 22nd, 2006 at 11:21 pm#55 in either case they would be guilty of criminal behavior, as government officials they have a duty to defend the country and its people( from all enemies both foriegn and domestic) sound familiar…..
April 22nd, 2006 at 11:21 pmGood Gawd, would someone please wake me from this nightmare?
April 22nd, 2006 at 11:27 pmAmerica needs to wake up.
April 22nd, 2006 at 11:37 pmWhat can we do?
Have 300,000 protesters sit outside of White House demanding a stop to this insanity.
#64 Alidost: Why not 3,000,000?
April 22nd, 2006 at 11:39 pmI am happy to see a little more cordial exchange later in this blog. The language of he early stuff is offensive and not conducive to forming salient thoughts.
Also, thanks to #14. Every time I read John Dean, I am impressed with his introspective and political savvy. Because he knew the divisiveness of Nixon, he understands how cynical and desperate this president will become if he thinks he will lose any power or clout. It has been a big power grab for this administration since day one. Only some of the unwitting Republican Congressmen are catching on now….they have lost any effective oversight by Constitution, law, or any other function.
The choices that Dean lays out (except the capture of Bin Laden and international diplomacy) are all pretty depressing. Looking at the schemes, I have to say that the hardest to believe would be International Diplomacy. It’s hard to imiaging who would lead that effort. Must be someone new or a moderate from a previous administration.
April 22nd, 2006 at 11:54 pmI should have said moderate Rupublican Congressmen.
The more rabid neocons, fascist, or escatological leaning probably wouldn’t mind an American Dictatorship anyway.
April 22nd, 2006 at 11:59 pmThis damn think tank needs a frontal lobotomy. Schultz’s company were run out of boilivia. They bribed the dictator and got control of the country’s water and raised the price nationwide 40%. The people revolted and ran their leader and Bechtel out on a rail.
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:21 amThis damn think tank needs a frontal lobotomy. Schultz’s company were run out of Bolivia. They bribed the dictator and got control of the country’s water and raised the price nationwide 40%. The people revolted and ran their leader and Bechtel out on a rail.
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:22 amThe Hoover Institution *is* known for work outside of international policy issues. Milton Friedman (not the Friedman that probably pops to mind for most here) is a fellow as are a number of other economists that have retired from academia. Friedman is the only nobel laureate though.
Of course, I realize Bush went to Hoover to talk to the foreign policy people. They were probably the middle east/asia people as well.
It’s also to prop up this idea that he’s Reagan’s successor.
He’s not. If he was, we’d be in a lot less trouble than we are – and Reagan wasn’t an amazing President – he was just there at the right time (communism).
Bush is the complete opposite of everything Hoover Institute libertarians stand for. The problem with Hoover, however, is that not all of them are exactly libertarians. Alot of them are much more into state power through the military which entails higher taxes. The purpose is to free the people.:)
Hoover has some crazy folks, but also some bright ones who have nothing to do with Iran. I’d view this visit as more of a way to prop up his support among the fiscally responsible wing of his party.
He doesn’t need to go there to get support on Iran. He’ll do whatever he feels like and we all know it.
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:22 am#75
And they will soon have no water. They extended the network and charged market rates. If the government had wanted to subsidize the water rates – like they had done when they publicly owned it – they could have. The price would have been the same for water and it would have been run more efficiently. As it is Bolivia is a backward country that is paralyzed by street blockades whenever there’s some issue.
Oh, and lest we continue to malign all the foreign investors in Bolivia who are getting their contracts ‘renogiated’ it should be pointed out that Petrobras (Brazil’s state owned energy company – Lula, Brazil’s president, is close to Morales) won’t have anything to do with bolvia two weeks after announcing a 5 billion dollar investment.
Bolivia can help itself by exporting its natural gas and stop complaining about losing their coastline more than a century ago. That’s why they won’t export.
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:27 amHoover is decidedly Neocon. Condi comes from there.
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:32 amMilton Freidman is one most likely to self-identify as a libertarian at Hoover as he had his nose firmly planted up Ayn Rand’s boney little ass when he was a young pupster..
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:36 am[...] Bush Meets Privately With Think Tank Promoting Military Strike On Iran [...]
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:44 amBush’s plan: When the Iranians finish their underground enrichment plant, we will use a really big non-nuclear bomb to blow it up. Operation Divine Strake should give us a good idea of what it will look like. These guys are so easy to read nowadays. So, what are we going to do about this? Hmmm.
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:45 amall this thanks to israel.. why not North Korea? im so mad…
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:52 amI think it is about even what the President will try before the elections are due. War with Iran or a crack down on illegals in the USA.
April 23rd, 2006 at 1:09 amWar with Iran would sure prove intersting but would it generate enough civil dissent in the USA to stop the election. Or cause more people to rally behind the repubs/WH for them to have a victory
A crack down on Illegals in the USA would for sure generate civil dissent, and the way the law is written those helping illegals are on their way to the cells also. It should cause enough civil dissent to cause the election the be cancelled/postponed, if that is what the WH would like to happen.
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April 23rd, 2006 at 1:33 amA think tank? Doesn’t that, like, require a brain? That would be like James Sensenbrenner waddling into a health food store.
Assclowns of the Week #36. I’m good but I think I outdid myself this week. So go get it while it’s still steaming on Ken Mehlman’s doorstep.
On the spit this week:
George “The Decider” Bush.
April 23rd, 2006 at 1:38 amCondi Rice
Rat Wrangler Michelle Malkin
Vice President Sleepy and much, much more!
#78
April 23rd, 2006 at 1:58 amThose contracts that you are talking about being renegotiated in Bolivia; are they the lopsided contracts that would have allowed US multinationals to steal Bolivia’s natural resources?
When are these evil and unhuman acts of bush going to stop??
April 23rd, 2006 at 3:25 amy’all heard about the stanford protests, right? they forced them to meet off campus!
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0422-03.htm
victory. focus on the positive. swagger and hubris ALWAYS lead to ruin. let’s remain ready to resist. and don’t ever get tagged with the mark.
April 23rd, 2006 at 4:16 amThe coming Bush conflict over Iran will be the turning point in America! If Dubya the Decider is allowed to launch an attack on Iran, then civil unrest most likely would engulf the United States and an economic collapse as well! This would lead to either Bush’s overthrow or Martial Law?!
April 23rd, 2006 at 5:31 amJay – Hoefully the USA citizens will have the adminstation dressed in orange jump suits, flex tied and dropped of at the Hague before an actual war starts.
April 23rd, 2006 at 6:28 amSomeone should inform them of the fact that they have more chances of winning the Mega Millions lottery than dying due to an act of terrorism.
Comment by Abby — April 22, 2006 @ 9:26 pm
We’ve tried. Many times. Logic doesn’t work on those governed by emotional fear. They are irrational. All they see is their animosity. It’s almost like trying to communicate with someone who only speaks a different language that you don’t understand. You’re just talking and nothing is getting through. I think it’s why most people who’ve been around a while don’t even bother. Less painful to beat your head against the wall actually.
I’d think it was funnier if it wasn’t running our government right now. George Bush is King Scaredy Cat of irrational fear against strangers in other countries. Easily the worst president ever. I was reserving judgment on that, ’cause there’ve been a couple others who were pretty bad – but he’s out done them all. And there seems to be no stopping him.
April 23rd, 2006 at 7:40 amhere we have our october surprise. if the people in this country are dumb enough to fall for it this time, then they truly deserve this president.
April 23rd, 2006 at 7:43 amHow typical of Chimpie to indulge in a mutual grooming session with an institution that sucks.
April 23rd, 2006 at 7:46 amHave 300,000 protesters sit outside of White House demanding a stop to this insanity.
Comment by Alidost — April 22, 2006 @ 11:37 pm
Just make sure we have the proper permits… Don’t wanna wind up in jail for asserting our First Amendment Rights or anything… Sheesh.
Well, if it doesn’t get stolen, the only thing we have left of any power is our vote. Start with the incumbents in 2006 – anyone Dem or Repug who has allowed this to occur and replace them with qualified Independents who are tied to neither party. And then again in 2008. As soon as we can get a free majority – have them repeal Corporate Personhood so that corporations do not have better rights than We The People. Get the money out of politics, so our elected officials are no longer owned by their donators, but by their electors.
I just don’t have faith in the average American to pull it off. So, we’ll probably wind up with a police state before the next election. And then what’s going on in Nepal right now will be going on here.
April 23rd, 2006 at 7:50 amWhen are these evil and unhuman acts of bush going to stop??
Comment by Prathap Rajamani — April 23, 2006 @ 3:25 am
When we do something.
April 23rd, 2006 at 7:57 amlet the rest of the world sort this out we dont need america and in future we will never need your ignorant UN vetoing idiots
April 23rd, 2006 at 8:04 am“I have no war plans on my desk”
“This is just wild speculation”
“The way to solve this is with diplomacy”
“The military option is one that need not even be discussed. The President believes in a diplomatic approach”
The idea that the President has decided to attack Iran is just ridiculous..where would anyone get such an idea?
It is preposterous to even suggest that such a decision has been made.
Americans…..go back to sleep…nothing to see here. Nothing going on….go back to American Idol. And, isn’t Survivior on tonight?
April 23rd, 2006 at 8:07 amSorry I meant to say will not strike.
April 23rd, 2006 at 9:03 amIt looks as though the bushies are deadly serious about getting us into another untenable position with Iran. Maybe this is Nixon’s madman theory in action, but somehow with the warmongers in the white house, I think we’re on the road to a third front in the war for control of the Middle East’s oil wealth. You know addicts would do anything for a fix. I
April 23rd, 2006 at 9:04 amHmmm. Iran is a decade from developing a device, assuming that’s the intention. The sabre rattling is just so much noise meant to distract everyone with a new imminent menace, and to prepare us for some October fisticuffs.
You’d think more people would be tired of the gross manipulation.
I mean really. There is already an unstable Islamic country with nuclear weapons. You know, the one that has an uncatchable, bearded diabetic hiding in the mountains on its border?
Also, please consider the following: Iran has had nothing but benefit from our screwy Iraq mission. Say Iran goes ahead with its nuke program. Iran wins.
Say the U.S. attacks Iran’s nuke sites… Iran wins.
Consider the consequences beyond things going boom. An American attack on another country timed for political gain.
If I were the rest of the world, I’d be completely out of patience.
And we’d probably be in a ground war in Iraq against a country that has already showed itself capable of throwing countless lives away as it did in the Iraq-Iran war.
Ready to start mowing down children?
April 23rd, 2006 at 9:07 amActually Kerry would have invaded Afghanistan, no doubt about it, and we MIGHT HAVE BIN LADEN IN CUSTODY BY NOW.
Iraq would still be militarily contained, weaponless, 2400 AMERICANS WOULD STILL BE ALIVE AND THE AMERICAN TAXPAYER WOULD HAVE SAVED 200 BILLION DOLLARS.
The American military woldn’t be stretched so dangerously thin AND WE COULD MEET IRAN’S CHALLENGE HEAD-ON INSTEAD OF RESORTING TO POISONING MILLIONS OIF INNOCENT PEOPLE WITH RADIOACTIVITY.
April 23rd, 2006 at 9:14 amSie haben schuld.
April 23rd, 2006 at 9:20 amWe all know about ths administration’s crimes, and they have been many.
But I am honestly beginning to wonder if Bush is fit to serve; Cheney either for that matter.
We do not have an army to invade Iran. The only way we can strike Iran is with missiles and bombs.
It would be just like Mr. Shock and Awe Bush to Nuke Iran just to teach everyone else a lesson, figuring that the world economy would collapse if any of the other Nuclear powers responded in kind. The thing is, the world economy is likely to collapse anyway if he pre-emptively attacks Iran, even if it is conventional.
Oh, and by the way, does any one believe that the “cold war” is really over. Russia is still armed to the teeth. How is that winning? Russia simply dropped the dead weight and went right on.
April 23rd, 2006 at 9:21 amOh, and by the way, does any one believe that the “cold war†is really over. Russia is still armed to the teeth. How is that winning? Russia simply dropped the dead weight and went right on.
Comment by Trammell — April 23, 2006 @ 9:21 am
When it comes to megalomaniacs (everyone running a contenting forceful nation in this world is one, by the way), there is no ‘over’. It’s all about one upping one another until eventually, they WILL blow up the planet. They’ve already build the arsenals to do it. It’s just a matter of time before we get one crazy enough to actually push the button. George Bush just might be that lunactic. He thinks he’s going to Heaven no matter what, so really, there is nothing to stop him. That make him far more dangerous than an of teh Atheist Dictators in power, becaue they know that it’s game over, and well, they like the game too much to want that.
April 23rd, 2006 at 9:29 am2389 yee haa troops dead, the messengers of mass murderer bush deserve to die, they live by the sword then die by the sword yee haa the rest of the world laughs in your faces of the dumb ass americans who 52% think like anvilhead and IRI
YeeeeeeeeeeHAAAAAAAAAAA
April 23rd, 2006 at 9:36 amSie haben schuld.
Comment by Vic Anderson — April 23, 2006 @ 9:20 am
Yes, they are responsible.
(http://translation2.paralink.com/)
April 23rd, 2006 at 9:38 amI see a post up the thread from someone who seems incapable of turning off the caps key. Maybe they think caps make for louder reading? Or gives more weight to their argument? Ha. Guess with a name like anvilhead the caps key is hard to find. As to the argument that america is somehow responsible for the worlds security…well thats a joke, right? We can’t even see to our own security because of the irresponsible misadministration we are stuck with. You are being used anvilhead, but you can’t see that for all the hate that fills your soul.
April 23rd, 2006 at 9:54 amI once got to fly a Naval flight simulator (my boyfriend was a Nay pilot at the time). Now, even with an education in architecture and engineering, it would have taken me the same two years of flight school that it took him to know how to fly the damn thing. No one was taking off in those jets without the ability to fly them. 9 months preparation was simply not enough to know how to fly the planes and manuever them so that they both hit those towers like that.
“How long does it take to achieve my pilot wings?
If all the phases were to run back-to-back, the program would take about a year and a half to two years to complete. However, there can be gaps in-between flight training phases during which time pilots-in-training will do On The Job Training (OJT) on Air Force bases around the country.”
http://www.airforce.forces.gc.ca/pilot/faqs_e.asp#6
April 23rd, 2006 at 10:07 amThis is particularly scary, because our President is not a deep thinker nor a critical thinker, nor a long-term thinker (very reactionary), and is easily sold, and then he becomes this huge saleman.
He had this great education at Yale, but he acts as if he knows nothing about the world and history.
April 23rd, 2006 at 10:13 amHe had this great education at Yale, but he acts as if he knows nothing about the world and history.
Comment by Jack — April 23, 2006 @ 10:13 am
Between the cocaine and nepotism, I’m convinced that he didn’t get an education at either Yale or Harvard. Just a free ride. Those two universities should be embarrassed of themselves. After all, his father is.
April 23rd, 2006 at 10:17 amstuff american troops there bloody indiots , if you asked me to kill for a living I would refuse point blank –
Ask any soldier there main job is to kill and destroy property – thats what they should know when they sign up – thank god europeans have brains before they think job and jump when asked too
Your country is as bin laden said – EVIL
April 23rd, 2006 at 10:27 amBush staged this long before he came into power ? moron
Comment by Tom the Republican — April 23, 2006 @ 10:23 am
Bush? The man who ran 3 companies into teh ground because he couldn’t find oil in Texas could have planned this in his spare time while playing Governor and running for election? You really should think this nonsense through before you spout it. It makes you look irrational.
‘Moron’ is not supporting evidence. It’s only what those who have none call others who’ve disassembled their wacky claims.
April 23rd, 2006 at 10:27 amYour country is as bin laden said – EVIL
Comment by Tom the Republican — April 23, 2006 @ 10:27 am
We’re so evil that we allow you the freedom to say so on our blogs using our technology. You’re welcome.
April 23rd, 2006 at 10:29 amof course Bush did not think the 911 plan up but was a part of the plan before he even got into power
Got Bush aint got the brains to think anything up – my dog knows more words than bush and has more human emmotions – in fact my dog seems very enlightened more than the avergage american
April 23rd, 2006 at 10:39 amWhy can’t Israel take care of the Iran mess?????????? We better start protecting the USA.
April 23rd, 2006 at 10:43 amPeople are going to come unglued here and all HELL will break loose.
in fact my dog seems very enlightened more than the avergage american
Comment by Tom the Republican — April 23, 2006 @ 10:39 am
Well, he is more enlightened than you,. so it’s not really as if you have much of a frame of reference for those more intelligent than you. Would be like asking a third grader to read Einstein’s Theory of Relativity and offer a critique. He can’t do it – it’s over his head.
You’ve not offered anything here but conjecture. Sorry, I don’t do conjecture.
April 23rd, 2006 at 10:45 amWhy can’t Israel take care of the Iran mess?????????? We better start protecting the USA.
People are going to come unglued here and all HELL will break loose.
Comment by Zola Daniels — April 23, 2006 @ 10:43 am
I agree that we have to stop being Israel’s crutch. Let them learn to run themselves. Other tiny nations do so just fine. Look at Monaco or Liechtenstein or Palau. They have to behave themselves because they don’t have a Big Brither there to fight their battles when they don’t.
April 23rd, 2006 at 10:54 amFor those arguing the 9/11 questions….wonder why you’re not simply screaming for an investigation into the events of that day. We have NEVER had one. The Kean Commission had to work with the ridiculous official story and only looked into the intel failures.
Here’s a MUST READ to wake you up about the cover up. Arguing among ourselves is a waste of precious time and energy.
Mr. Bush, We KNOW What You Did That Summer….
http://tvnewslies.org/blog/?p=351
April 23rd, 2006 at 10:57 amRESENDE, Brazil — As Iran faces international pressure over developing the raw material for nuclear weapons, Brazil is quietly preparing to open its own uranium-enrichment center, capable of producing exactly the same fuel.
Brazil, like Iran, has signed the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, and Brazil’s Constitution bans the military use of nuclear energy.
ALSO LIBYA too
April 23rd, 2006 at 11:01 amMr. Bush, We KNOW What You Did That Summer….
http://tvnewslies.org/blog/?p=351
Comment by Reg — April 23, 2006 @ 10:57 am
Guys, we do have real issues to debate. You want this to be true so badly that you are ignoring the simple fact that it’s nuts.
But knock yourselves out. I debated RemoveBush for long enough already. You can go back and read the archives. I’m not interested in repeating myself.
We need to instead discuss how to get the corruption out of Washington in November, so that we can turn this country back into the great nation it once was. Anyone wanna discuss that. let me know – otherwise, I have better things to do.
April 23rd, 2006 at 11:03 amthe world will be a better place when we all have nukes only then will we co-operate to ban them
April 23rd, 2006 at 11:05 amthe world will be a better place when we all have nukes only then will we co-operate to ban them
Comment by Tom the Republican — April 23, 2006 @ 11:05 am
Could you put your dog on here instead?
Are you insane? Do you not realize that there are already crazy peope blowing themselves up because they believe that they will go to a utopian after-life for doing so? I’m sure they’d love to have their hands on a nuke.
The world will be safer, as it once was, when NO ONE has the damn things.
April 23rd, 2006 at 11:10 amThey’re Staying in Iraq pictures inc
The message is clear. Indeed, it’s gigantic for all Iraqis, for the entire world to see. A 100 acre compound – ten times the size of the typical U.S. embassy, the size of 80 football fields, six times larger than the UN, the size of Vatican City. The US Embassy Compound, in the middle of Baghdad – the center for US domination of the Middle East and its resources.
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/zeese.php?articleid=8885
April 23rd, 2006 at 11:13 amTRUTH:
April 23rd, 2006 at 11:14 amIf you want to really know what is going on in the world…read the PROTOCOLS of the LEARNED ELDERS of ZION. It was their to do list written around 1884 in Basel Switzerland,head speaker was Rothchild of course. These PROTOCOLS were transcribed and distributed to the special heads of the Grand Lodges of Freemasonary in Western Europe.The secret societies have followed these plans to take over the world and they are NOW very close to compleation. THEIR NEW WORLD ORDER will be for the common people an ORWELLIAN nightmare. You had better hope they LOSE in their insane M.E. wars…as they plan to do the same thing HERE.
US wanted to swap Iraq for Saudi Arabia as permanent base in middle east
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/iraq-maps.htm
bases above
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/zeese.php?articleid=8885
news
The infrastructure is being put in place for a long-term military presence in Iraq. Unless Americans get tired of footing the growing and expensive bill for occupying Iraq – now at nearly $10 Billion per month – or the Iraqis are able to force the United States to leave it looks like Baghdad will be the center of operations for the US presence in the Middle East. The US will be sitting on top of the Earth’s vast, but shrinking, oil resources.
April 23rd, 2006 at 11:18 amWhy the hell does he need to go to Stanford. He has the US Institute of Peace in his own back yard. Unless he would rather reap more cannon fodder for his “vital interests.”
April 23rd, 2006 at 11:31 amTOM… #131…… and a big fat target to lob bombs at!
April 23rd, 2006 at 11:32 amThe following Quotes are my response to ALL that back this regiem and their globe trotting beliefs; “Beware of the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry, [who] infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so.â€
April 23rd, 2006 at 11:35 amrainstormsong —— And, Sandra Day O’Connor, a Republican-appointed judge who retired last month after 24 years on the supreme court, has said the US is in danger of edging towards dictatorship—-”It takes a lot of degeneration before a country falls into dictatorship, but we should avoid these ends by avoiding these beginnings.”
#138 Unbelievable
You don’t ‘believe’ it? I thought we were discussing facts and logic? You haven’t offered any in response. Tell me how what I said isn’t valid using ‘facts’ andnot ‘emotions’, and then I will consider what you have to say. Until then, admit that you don’t know what you’re arguing about and just stop. It makes you look irrational to even liberals. Is that what you want?
Your pancake theory dosn’t hold up.
Fact: People use syrup on pancakes
Fact: No syrup was used to bring down the WTC
See, its all blatantly obvious once you open your eyes and stop believing everyting BushCo. feeds you.
now back to house work
April 23rd, 2006 at 11:40 amBest not to argue on this thread topic about the 9/11 attack, but building #7 in the WTC complex was never hit by a plane, so its free fall collapse was questionable! Owner of the complex also said “Pull building 7″ which in demolition lingo means > blow it up!
As for Bush being in office only 9 months, before the event, so how could they plan it so well? Back in the early 1960’s the CIA and Pentagon came up with a plan to have planes flown into buildings in New York, or other major city, and blame it on Cuba so Americans would demand an invasion of Castro’s island nation! Since Bush Senior may have been involved in that plan, that was rejected by President Kennedy as crazy, then not far-fetched to assume that old plan could have been taken off the shelf and upgraded in 9 months time! A real independent investigation is needed of what really happened on 9/11 and if our government was shown in any way involved that would mean capital punishment (hanging) of all involved?! Nonetheless 9/11 if not a conspiracy, then proved Bush incompetance!!!
April 23rd, 2006 at 11:44 amBUNCH OF FAT OLD RICH BASTARDS !!!!! Oh yeah they know whats best for us all. and that is to shut up and go to work at your minimum wage job and WE’ll take care of everything!! UNtil war time and then…. All you poor 18 and 19 year olds who dont have a direction because you’ve been beaten down by the system get your asses over there and protect that OIL!!!!
April 23rd, 2006 at 11:49 amMy take on 9/11
It was not a case of the towers being rigged to explode because the simple fact of the matter is, they could have saved American Airlines 2 planes by just letting the bombs off. It isn’t like a straight bombing would have had a different result. The conspiracy theory around 9/11 just makes its proponents sound nuts.
But, what must be noted is that I feel is that Bush being president made it that much easier to pull off. Through incompetence, arrogance, negligence, or some combination of the three, Bush ignored the information which was immediatley available to him upon assuming office, and further ignored the advice of the people who your country was paying to advise him on terrorism.
Further, Bush’s actions on the day, and those that followed showed not a strong leader taking the reigns in a time of troubles, but a positive weasel of a man trying to ride the tragedy for all it was worth, while striving to avoid anybody taking a serious look at his ability to lead in the face of such a dramatic failure.
While he is not directly guilty of planning, or even insuring the success of the 9/11 assault, I honestly feel that Gore, for all of his faults, would have handled it better.
April 23rd, 2006 at 11:52 amAnd when I say he I mean Bush, not Gore.
April 23rd, 2006 at 11:53 amCome on, how about a response to #137— we have S D O’Conner concerned about where we are going as a nation, and what i believe to be crazy people in charge of our (we the people’s) fate…they seem to be willing to scare us into complete submission.
April 23rd, 2006 at 11:54 amBest not to argue on this thread topic about the 9/11 attack,
But not until after you add your two cents, right?
Nonetheless 9/11 if not a conspiracy, then proved Bush incompetance!!!
Comment by Jay Randal — April 23, 2006 @ 11:44 am
I just think this makes the left sound crazy, because there is no concrete evidence. Just a lot of speculation. If someone wants to convince me theywill have to do it in terms that make sense to me, not by pulling out one item and saying how that one thing is not valid on its own. It has to be in context to everythng else. And that’s not the current theory.
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:02 pmSQUEGEBOOO…. i really have a problem with the ‘now back to housework’ comment.
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:04 pmPLEASE!!!! if you werent on a liberal blog i would say that you sure sound ‘chauvinistic’
regardless of what you believe, women can do house work and THINK!! we are great multitaskers. unlike some men who can only fart and sip beer at the same time but thats about it. please put your wife-beater t-shirt away and accept what she believes. it would make your posts more inviting to read. i too think there was some kind of conspiracy. most likely involving Israel. but i am willing to listen to unbelieveable and grant her her opionion. can you do the same? please???
Able danger, Able danger, Able danger…did any of you see or hear much about the outcome of those hearings???probably not
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:06 pmWhile he is not directly guilty of planning, or even insuring the success of the 9/11 assault, I honestly feel that Gore, for all of his faults, would have handled it better.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — April 23, 2006 @ 11:52 am
Considering terrorists had already tried to bomb the towers prior to 9/11, it makes much more sense that they would just blow it up again. No need to risk the Airline Industry’s financial bottom line, considering what 9/11 did to hurt teh very companies who help pay for our elected officials to get into office to begin wiith.
I agree with you. Bush didn’t plan it, but wasn’t competent enough to stop it. Considering that Clinton’s Administration probably would have communicated better with Gore’s, then there was logically a much better chance that if Gore had been in office, as elected, 9/11 never would have happened.
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:10 pmUNBELIEVABLE….. duplicity…stupidity… People died. i blame Goober either way!!!
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:15 pmit’s very hard NOT to believe in a conspiracy when the National Archives as we speak are being gutted of the ‘FACTS’. seems odd!
Of historical interest: At the turn of the century another American president wanted war on Spain, to take over several islands of economic importance in the Caribbean! “Remember the Maine” was the battle cry of the Spanish-American War > the US battleship the Maine was mysteriously sunk in Havana Harbor, off Cuba, and America claimed it was blown up by a mine planted underneath it by the Spanish. The war took place, which America won, and Puerto Rico was given to the United States, as well as control over Cuba and the Dominican Republic!
A few years ago a team of divers with National Geographic magazine explored the hulk of the Maine at the bottom of Havana Harbor > the metal was bent outwards at the explosion site, which proved the ship was blown up on the inside and NOT by a mine! Recently documents have come to light that the Maine was blown up by our government to facilitate that war!
This could be the case with 9/11 and the WTC towers, so a real investigation is required! If our government has nothing to hide, then they would allow a real investigation, but if they did it like the Maine, then no wonder they want the event covered up forever, or at least a hundred years like the Maine incident!
I respect “unbelievable” and “Bruce Gorton” in their opinions, even though our ideas differ on this! WE may actually never know the truth in our lifetimes > sad but true!
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:15 pmMeg,
I think Squeegie meant that he was going back to his house work. Could be wrong, but I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt in this case because a couple of irrational men around here is already more than enough for one today…
Can we get back on the subject of Iran?
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:17 pm#159… Perhaps Bush wasn’t smart enough to stop it. He took the event all the way to the bank, however.
And I don’t know there aren’t elements in there somwhere who turned a blind eye at the right moment.
What lengths will these people (and George is only one of them) go to to maintain power? I really don’t know anymore.
The most poweful nation in the history of the planet unable to find a diabetic hiding in a cave? I think not. Someone considers him of value as a piece on the board.
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:18 pmI am sort of a junkie on info…CNN,Cspan, Msnbc, Link Tv, FSTV, Randi Rhodes, Rush, ORiely, Air America, Oberman, and of course John Stewart, Colbertt, Al Franken,ect ect. Where the hell is there any info on Able danger? We all oght to be screaming about the lack of coverage on this SO important issue….
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:20 pmUNBELIEVABLE.. please see my comment #143.. that was my Iran statement about the Hoover Institute. :) just trying to cut through the angry rhetoric!
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:21 pmWhat are we going to do about it? Well as we speak, we are forming a protest in the Nevada Desert for June 1-3. If enough show up, then hopefully they will have to answer to “We the People”
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:22 pmSanto
I just read Northwoods. It has some common elements, such as the use of civilian planes to fake an international incident, but frankly the resemblance is mostly coincidental. The incidents described in Northwoods, beyond involving civilian airlines and perhaps hostages, aren’t really all that similar.
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:27 pmMeg,
That’s one of the bigger issues – these poor kids who are dying over there, fighting a war they thought was to defend their country when Iraq was never a real threat. And the civilians getting caught in the mix… I mean, we vrag about our state-of-the-art military, but then we have to cause all this mess and mayhem to remove one person? Doesn’t make sense to me.
I think it was, in part, a reaction to those on the right who believe a war is good for the economy.
I think Bush is short-sighted and inept and actuallybelieves he’s doing God’s work. He didn’t think this war through. Didn’t consider the casualities and had no exit plan. I don’t know why anyone is surprised that someone who couldn’t find oil in Texas with 3 different companies is bankrupting the nation and on the verge of igniting WWIII.
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:27 pmFOCUS: Senator John Kerry | The Right to Dissent http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/042306Y.shtml
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:28 pmSenator John Kerry, in a speech delivered in Boston on Saturday, reaffirms that it was right to dissent in 1971 from a war that was wrong. Kerry states that it is both a right and an obligation for Americans today to disagree with a President who is wrong, a policy that is wrong, and a war in Iraq that weakens the nation.
LYSIANA…. any details?? website??? i am in that neck of the woods and will show up!!!
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:28 pmunbelievable – for what it’s worth – i’m not a conspiracy theorist either – hurts too much to think any leader would actually conceive of such horrors – BUT … after watching “loose change” and the facts presented, it does appear that such people could exist … but we knew that after discovering the atrocities of hitler and pals… it’s a sick world and i put nothing past anyone these days … sad…
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:33 pmthat’s all about this from me … the iran thing is certainly THE big problem of the day – and the testing in nevada is, of course, related – WE NEED TO STOP THIS MADDNESS.
177 Randi Rhodes has been onto this for awhile now…she nailed CNN’s Lou Dobbs on it last week…he hasn’t mentioned it again as far as i know
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:33 pmLYSIANA….. i went to yur website. I saw the article on the protest in Nevada. also listened to the presidential address and laughed my arse off! thanks for that!
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:36 pmSanto, sounds like you 2 need a mediator
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:40 pmWhat are we going to do about it? Well as we speak, we are forming a protest in the Nevada Desert for June 1-3. If enough show up, then hopefully they will have to answer to “We the Peopleâ€
Comment by Lysiana — April 23, 2006 @ 12:22 pm
Can we do the same thing November 7th, at each person’s individual polling station?
Ballots are better than bullets!
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:41 pmHonestly, libertarians are dangerous anarchists and sociopaths, and any organization like this assisting in subversion of US and international law to create war should be arrested.
Conservatives live in constant fear and paranoia, it’s one of the many symptoms proving that conservatism is a mental illness, It’s time to stop playing nice with them and start punishing.
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:41 pmI am giong to leave this newly discovered sit for now. It was interesting……I REPEAT…ABLE DANGER ABLE DANGER ABLE DANGER ABLE DANDER ABLE DANGER
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:44 pmI just had to return for one more question for unbelieveable…What did you think of the Able danger hearings?
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:51 pmI just had to return for one more question for unbelieveable…What did you think of the Able danger hearings?
Comment by Inawh — April 23, 2006 @ 12:51 pm
Sorry I didn’t engage you. Sort of a Achilles Heel for me to have the last word over someone who makes personal attacks…
I actually don’t know much about it, and tend not to post on things I know nothing about – but instead read comment of those who do. I guess the people who can discuss the subject aren’t around yet. Usually, Sunday afternoons are when things pick up. And there’s more traffic during the week.
Welcome. It’s actually a great blog. Lots of really smart people here. You should find what you are looking for. Don’t let this mindless discourse between me and Santo impact your opinion of it. We normally agree on most stuff. I’m just not big on conspiracy theories without evidence….
April 23rd, 2006 at 12:57 pmCome ooonnn Unbelieveable, i am full of anticapition waiting on an answer to my question #197
April 23rd, 2006 at 1:01 pmCome ooonnn Unbelieveable, i am full of anticapition waiting on an answer to my question #197
Comment by Inawh — April 23, 2006 @ 1:01 pm
197 was Santo. Your question is 196. I answered it in 199. Unless all the numbers changed, which happens sometimes, and why I don’t use them anymore.
April 23rd, 2006 at 1:03 pmSANTO….. quit badgering! you are losing credibility. that makes me mad because you have a lot of GOOD things to say!! you have made your point and there are a lot of people who agree. lets talk about Iran and the spectre of atomic war.
April 23rd, 2006 at 1:03 pmSANTO…. NOOOO… dont be quiet!!! :) We need you!!!!
April 23rd, 2006 at 1:10 pmAble danger should scare the hell out of any true blooded American…..left, right or other it will not be easy but, you all should find all the info you can on it…..the hearings shed a lot of light on what has be going on, and will be going on if we all are kept in the dark about it…..
April 23rd, 2006 at 1:10 pmyou have made your point and there are a lot of people who agree. lets talk about Iran and the spectre of atomic war.
Comment by meg_mac — April 23, 2006 @ 1:03 pm
Actually, not many people do agree and I’ve been told that Judd thinks the whole 9/11 conspiracy theory makes the left look insane. Not hard to understand why.
When there is a choice between two possibilities, the one that is usually true is the one that is the simpliest. The 9/11 Theory is extremely complicated. There are more plausible and logical explanations that exist, and are therefore probably more likely. I personally think Bush should be removed from office. But I don’t thnk he masterminded 9/11. I don’t think he was capable.
April 23rd, 2006 at 1:12 pmDean’s closing sentence nails Bush:
“There is, however, the possibility of another terrorist attack, and if one occurred, Americans would again rally around the president – wrongly so, since this is a presidency that lives on fear-mongering about terror, but does little to truly address it. The possibility that we might both suffer an attack, and see a boost to Bush come from it, is truly a terrifying thought.”
April 23rd, 2006 at 1:13 pmSANTO and unbelievable > both of your opinions have merit, so stop the bickering > attack I-R-I if he comes on here or Seixon who claims he is Norwegian now > lol. 9/11 needs a real investigation to determine what really happened! If it happened as Bush claims, then he should want it to be proven, but he is scared the actual truth could come out! IF it was a conspiracy, then all those who died in WTC towers would demand prison for all government officials involved in it or hanging for them! Bush will never allow the truth out as long as he is alive!
Best to be concerned about what Dubya may do to justify a war on Iran?!
April 23rd, 2006 at 1:15 pmJay,
He’s trying to bully me, so I won’t back down. Sorry, that’s my issue, I know, but better than doing drugs or beating little children I would think.
Now, if we get attacked again, I would be willing to believe Bush ordered it, if the evidence supported it. Now, it’s a very, very different ball game, but back then, it just doesn’t make sense. Not with my education and professional experience.
Seixon from Norway? Clearly he’s never been. I was there in 1998, and they were pretty much left of center. The only thing he’s left of is evangelical neo-con.
April 23rd, 2006 at 1:20 pmSANTO…. good!!!! check out the current issue of The New Yorker’. Sydney Hersch again with a great article on Iran. also ‘The Sun’ has a really good piece on Iran plus some blogs that are coming out of Iran. soooo interesting and relevant. People really are alike all over the world. Too bad governments get in the way of us seeing this!!!
April 23rd, 2006 at 1:23 pmIt seems like you’all are beating a dead dog with this conspiracy stuff..(and i have seen Loose change,& Mike Moore’s movie)…there is a lot of info in all of it. But it is not like our goverment is going to let anything become of it…….START listening to me about ……ya know……ABLED DANGER….i hate sounding like a broken record..but i have been screaming about this ever since the Senate hearings— many many deaf ears…
April 23rd, 2006 at 1:26 pmYes on another TP thread Seixon claims he lives in Norway > I commented on that thread that no one in Norway would defend a bastard like Bush on here daily > lol. Norway is very socialistic like Sweden and Denmark too!
April 23rd, 2006 at 1:27 pmSANTO P.S… i should have added religions to that comment. To me organized religion is the same as government!
April 23rd, 2006 at 1:30 pmhate sounding like a broken record..but i have been screaming about this ever since the Senate hearings— many many deaf ears…
Comment by Inawh — April 23, 2006 @ 1:26 pm
Then talk about it with links and articles from independent and reputable sources. That’s how most people around here get a discussion started. You might also wanna email stuff to Judd and ask him to start a forum for the subject. He will if he finds it valid.
April 23rd, 2006 at 1:30 pmSanto
To be honest, I still don’t see the link between Northwoods and 9/11 save that they have a very few common elements, and my bias isn’t exactly favourable to the Republican viewpoint. Convincing a court of law on Bush being behind 9/11 might be a bit of a problem.
April 23rd, 2006 at 1:33 pmthat no one in Norway would defend a bastard like Bush on here daily > lol. Norway is very socialistic like Sweden and Denmark too!
Comment by Jay Randal — April 23, 2006 @ 1:27 pm
No one who defends Bush would want to live in Norway. They don’t attack other countries for no reason, and a significant portion of the population is non-religious. They still have ‘hippy communes’ as well. Definitely too ‘communistic’ for guys like him.
April 23rd, 2006 at 1:33 pmNorway even has a ministry of pornagraphy > very liberal nation but too cold for me to want to live in! I am part Danish, so if I moved to Europe I would probably settle there?! I always wanted to visit Sweden, so I have to do that someday! I have been to Holland, Belgium, France, Germany, Switzerland, and Austria!
April 23rd, 2006 at 1:34 pmWHAT IS ABLED DANGER??? please enlighten?? dont know about this term.
April 23rd, 2006 at 1:35 pmI have no fear of post my ignorance……Judd?????
April 23rd, 2006 at 1:36 pmConvincing a court of law on Bush being behind 9/11 might be a bit of a problem.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — April 23, 2006 @ 1:33 pm
Excellent point. I think that’s how I evaluate it. How would this play out in a competent court of law? I’m sure it would get that far. But, you know, if there are lawyers and judges who annually recreate the Civil War, perhaps they could try this one for ‘fun’? Would be interesting. Could get a documentary out of it as well.
April 23rd, 2006 at 1:37 pmGet the current issue of Rolling Stone. The cover story is on Chimpy as the worst President of all time. It has a drawing of Chimpy sitting on a stool with a dunce cap.
The article is excellent. It covers every dangerous act the Chimp King has committed and after you read it, send an e-mail to Rolling Stone cuz’ that’s what I will do.
April 23rd, 2006 at 1:37 pmInawh,
Here, I’ll help you put…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Able_Danger
Able Danger was a classified military intelligence program under the command of the U.S. Special Operations Command (SOCOM). It was created as a result of a directive from the Joint Chiefs of Staff in early October 1999 by the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Hugh Shelton, to develop an Information Operations Campaign Plan against transnational terrorism, “specifically al-Qaida.” According to statements by Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer and confirmed by four others, Able Danger had identified the September 11, 2001 attack leader Mohamed Atta, and three of the 9/11 plot’s 19 hijackers, as possible members of an al Qaeda cell linked to the ‘93 World Trade Center Attacks. Primarily consisting of classified information, all publicly obtained information was approved after a legal review of SOCOM lawyers. If true, the early identification of the four hijackers by Able Danger would contradict the official conclusion of the 9/11 Commission, that American intelligence agencies had not identified Atta as a terrorist prior to the attack.
April 23rd, 2006 at 1:39 pmBecause skepticism of any theory, I believe, should be offered, here’s a couple of caveats (also from the wikipedia entry):
Documentation
To date no electronic or paper document has showed that any connection was made to Atta before 9/11. No emails to and from the Able Danger team make any references to Atta, nor do any paper documents between the team and any other DoD teams or offices. No notes taken at any pre 9/11 meetings between the DoD and FBI, or interoffice DoD meetings, show any mention of Atta or a terrorist cell in New York.
Reliability of Curt Weldon
April 23rd, 2006 at 1:43 pmCurt Weldon has given misleading reports concerning his relationship to the Reverend Moon. At first he denied being present at an event commemorating the Reverend, but when pictures were shown of him attending the ceremony, he admitted he attended, but said he was not present during the crowning ceremony.
229 - I have no fear of post my ignorance……Judd?????
Comment by Inawh — April 23, 2006 @ 1:36 pm
inawh – go to upper right, click on “about think progress” – find information
April 23rd, 2006 at 1:46 pmabout TP and staff – judd is editor …
you’ll appreciate American Progress site also…
Meg, i love your curiosity…here is one bit of info .and you can search engine more if you have futher interest. try http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=1620161– but you must dig deeper to get to the roaring silence on this able danger topic.
April 23rd, 2006 at 1:47 pmI saw the Able danger hearings. So so many more questions asked than answered…high ranking military officers testified how they were pressured into keeping there info quiet and how it was countered by goverment officials…there were many many hours of testimony that was never brought to the public’s attention.
April 23rd, 2006 at 2:01 pmThis is a repost from 9;10 that is now gone
I do not believe President Bush will strike Iran. Israel or the next President may but not Bush. The occupation of Iraq is proving more difficult than expected but the strategy, I believe, is one of distraction from a similar situation in Afganistan which would have been untenable. In the end, as a result of the intense ethnic and religious differences, a divided Iraq may be the only solution.
As a true conservative I am very disappointed in President Bush and the congress for many reasons. I am curious however as to how the libs would deal with Irans quest for nuclear capabilities in light of the fact that sanctions don’t work and they are not interested in diplomacy unless it embraces “surrender”.
Short term Iran desires the destruction of Israel, long term the subjegation of the worlds population to Islam. How do you propose we deal with this? Do we wait for Islam to have the power to achieve its desired end and risk Armageddon or do we prevent them from acquiring the capabilities?
April 23rd, 2006 at 2:16 pmthere were many many hours of testimony that was never brought to the public’s attention.
Comment by Inawh — April 23, 2006 @ 2:01 pm
Sounds like this supports that this was an act of terrorism that was masterminded by Osama bin Laden, but that as most of us have been saying, was enabled by our government’s lack of action – making them an accomplice to the crime. Very different than the 9/11 Conspiracy Theories which claim that Bush was thw architect of the attacks.
I fully dismiss the 9/11 Conspiracy. But I am willing to embrace a concept that shares culpability of our government for failure to act upon the intelligence that existed (should they be able to prove it existed – wikipedia says that this is specious). Two very different scenarios. And Able Danger actually seems to refute the 9/11 Conspiracy by giving Al Qaeda the recognition as the master mind of the events.
I’d be interested in hearing what you have to say about the trials you watched. Care to comment on the trials?
April 23rd, 2006 at 2:17 pmI hope you all realize this conspiracy matter crosses party lines….it has a long history
April 23rd, 2006 at 2:21 pmComment by Dean Kirk — April 23, 2006 @ 2:11 pm
Again Dean, you are all entitled to your opinion, but until you produce someone with practical experience in building engineering who supports this notice who I can have a dialog with, this is no different than you guys arguing with your doctor about AIDS being a conspiracy to kill gay men.
All of my former colleagues and friends who are in the profession think the buildings fell due to circumstances of planes being flown into them.
Maybe I’m wrong. I just don’t see irrefutable evidence being produced to change my mind at this point. And until I do, I’m pretty comfortable that I’m not wrong.
And Santo, he didn’t do this for you. Stop making it personal. It isn’t about you.
April 23rd, 2006 at 2:23 pmThe way to deal with Iran – Is nothing to do with any of you so butt out and get on with sorting your own third world country out ( USA)
we are a lot closer we dont need you starting shit half way round the world – wankers the lot of you
April 23rd, 2006 at 2:24 pmsanto – like unbelievable said, judd doesn’t like the conspiracy posts – that is what RemoveBush’s posts were about, i think …i wanted to check out one of them later, noted it’s location, but it is gone, with the others…
as far as that completely awful post by IRI directed to amy (#20), it was deleted, rightfully so, due to it’s WAY over the line personal attack…we should hope that may have been the proverbial straw and have heard the last from that one… i sure hope anyway…
April 23rd, 2006 at 2:28 pmI hope you all realize this conspiracy matter crosses party lines….it has a long history
Comment by Inawh — April 23, 2006 @ 2:21 pm
Well, I think this Conspiracy is lacking a valid motive. If we wanted an attack on USA soil in order to instigate a war with Iraq, then why would none of the hijackers have been Iraqi? Not a one.
There is no motive here. And people don’t do things like this without a significant motive.
Plus, we’ve barely put any effort into Afghanistan or into capturing bin Laden, who even admits he did it.
People get emotional and let that make their decisions – on both sides of the fence. I’m not a big fan of left extremist theories anymore than right extremist theories. Blind faith is what gets us into most of the problems we have today.
April 23rd, 2006 at 2:30 pmWhen you call yourself an Indian or a Muslim or a Christian or a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind. When you separate yourself by belief, by nationality, by tradition, it breeds violence. So a man who is seeking to understand violence does not belong to any country, to any religion, to any political party or partial system; he is concerned with the total understanding of mankind.
April 23rd, 2006 at 2:30 pmI saw no trials. just senate hearings, but what i did see were high ranking military officers explaining, very detailed, how they were “de-ranked” when they produced information that there was a high possibility of an attack on our soil with planes and high-rise buildings. There was just too much to explain…so many hours of hearings that you would have to watch these for yourself. i don’t know how you can obtain these. I watched on C-Span back in February. I don’t know how Able Danger would tie into the conspiricy theory, but I know there are an awful lot of fishy things in all this information. I know i am not a halfwit, but all this information is beyond my interpretation
April 23rd, 2006 at 2:32 pmwe should hope that may have been the proverbial straw and have heard the last from that one… i sure hope anyway…
Comment by katy — April 23, 2006 @ 2:28 pm
You may be right. He’s been repeatedly warned and banned before. I saw it this morning before it was deleted. It was even over the edge, even for him. I thought he was drunk it was so out-of-control. Ryan’s been gone for about a week as well.
Personally, I think posts like that should be deleted, not people. You’re more inclined to get people to behave if you deleted the stuff they made an effort to post rather than give them a time out. But, not my call. I’m sure it’s a lot harder to monitor verything everyone says when it’s so fast paced like this.
April 23rd, 2006 at 2:37 pmKATIE…. i agree IRI and ANVILHEAD are particularly vitriolic. i like to argue and discuss but when personal attacks not facts become the ’soup du jour’ i turn off!!
April 23rd, 2006 at 2:44 pmi have lost my cool a couple of times with Mighty Hypocrite but had to pull myself back from the abyss!!! she has yet to answer any of my questions with anything but ‘meg mooch’
err sorry KATY……
April 23rd, 2006 at 2:47 pmWe’re all (the entire world community) being held hostage by THREE extremist right wing religious crackpot organizations:
al Qaeda (radical Islam)…
… and al Cracker (Bushite anti-Christian Christians like IRI’s demonic sect)…
…and the right wing Zionists…
Osama calls the al Crackers “Crusaders”…
…and say the “infidels” must be expelled from all of Islam’s holy lands…
…and the Bushites say we need to fight the “Islamo-facists”…
…because “they hate our way of life“…
…we ALL need to be liberated from this deadly right wing religiosity and brainwashing…
…Bush must GO, and the root causes for the radical Islamists’ hate for us resolved…
…America’s (and the G-8’s) influence at the World Bank and IMF must actively and genuinely seek to lessen crippling poverty, corruption, and political reform in the under-developed countries of the world- especially the ME…
…America’s military industrial complex and corporate corrupting influences/interests must be removed from Islamic holy lands…
…the nuclear hypocrisy, and favored uneven-handed treatment of Israel in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict must cease…
…the military industrial complex of America must be reigned in (financially)..
…constructive diplomacy stressing win-win solutions must be America’s foreign policy directive instituted at the UN…
…this is just for starters…
April 23rd, 2006 at 2:48 pmDEAN KIRK…. thank you for the link. i will pick up 2 of the books and read! appreciate!!
April 23rd, 2006 at 2:54 pmBig papa ..YOU DA MAN..i agree whole heartedly
April 23rd, 2006 at 2:55 pmSanto, your beating your head against a concrete wall..we are going to believe what we want to believe…ALL OF US…..whatever it is.
April 23rd, 2006 at 2:59 pmHere is an interesting U B I.. http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/042306X.shtml
April 23rd, 2006 at 3:13 pmAt this point, all I can say is to go build a miniture tower in your back yard. Crash a radio controlled airplane filled with combustible fuel into it, and then take a sledge hammer and hit it on top. If you create the same conditions as the trade towers, your miniature will fail also.
April 23rd, 2006 at 3:24 pmSanto & unbelievable go check out tis video at the following web site….http://www.flabber.nl/archief/015823.php
April 23rd, 2006 at 3:26 pmSANTO and Unbelievable… i am just going to stand aside and let you beat each other bloody!! anyone else want to discuss Iran???
April 23rd, 2006 at 3:28 pmSanto & unbelievable go check out tis video at the following web site….http://www.flabber.nl/archief/015823.php
Comment by Inawh — April 23, 2006 @ 3:26 pm
I can’t – don’t have the speed to access videos online.
But I should go finish planting stuff in thegarden for a while. I’ve already had this conversation more times than I had intended anyway.
But, hey, ya’ll have fun. I’m sure there will be something more pressing to discuss after 60 minutes tonight.
Enjoy your afternoon everyone!
April 23rd, 2006 at 3:30 pmMeg, Iran attack= $8 to $10 per gallon of gas
April 23rd, 2006 at 3:33 pmI am old enough to remember Jimmy Carter saying we had to find a way for America to become energy independent. that alternative energy would make us a stronger and more independent country….had we followed through, we would not be discussing Iran, Iraq or the likes right now!
April 23rd, 2006 at 3:43 pmok – i hate cencorship – especially here, where it would be least expected…if that’s what happened…
April 23rd, 2006 at 3:46 pm1/2 minute ago santo’s #244 WAS #27? … that’s 30 comments GONE…
all i did was click on “refresh” button…
oht oh cencorship….i’m gone ….bye
April 23rd, 2006 at 3:49 pmMeg_Mac
“SQUEGEBOOO…. i really have a problem with the ‘now back to housework’ comment.
PLEASE!!!!”
Meg, it was me, going back to doing my housework, not me wanting Unbelievable to go do some, I mean come on, shes one of those ‘independant women’ of the 90’s, I wouldnt even bother to ask her to do housework, cause I know she wouldnt. :)
Unbelievable, theirs no point to argueing about the WTC here, or pretty much on any other blog liberal or conservative, everyone has their opinion on it and you have 0% chance of changing their minds, its one of those logic thingies you mentioned before, about how becuase its what you choose to believe your automatically right or what not.
April 23rd, 2006 at 3:50 pmINAWH…. there are some economists who believe higher gas prices will force us all to get out of gas guzzling cars and start thinking about solar,electric cars. walking riding bike taking mass transit! i get 35+ mpg. plus i walk places when i can!! $10 a gallon would hurt me but not as much as it would poor people who ALWAYS take the brunt.
April 23rd, 2006 at 3:55 pmSQUEGEBOO…. MEA CULPA!!!!
April 23rd, 2006 at 3:58 pmHows this for the UK bullshit propaganda
for a long time now we are not able to get enough recruits for the army . we even take on criminals into the army, also 10% are foreigners of the Uk
heres the funny bit read this ……..remember Prince harry needs an army to protect him , thats what its about protecting goverment and the king, not the country
Prince Harry has threatened to quit the Army unless he is sent to the front
line, it is reported.
The Prince and his older brother, Prince William, have previously made it clear
they are determined to see active service with their units.
Harry, 21, was commissioned earlier this month as a second lieutenant in the
Household Cavalry’s Blues and Royals.
Harry said in an interview to mark his 21st birthday last September: “The last
thing I said was there’s no way I’m going to put myself through Sandhurst and
then sit on my arse back home while my boys are out fighting for their country.
April 23rd, 2006 at 4:04 pmThis is the sort of shite we get on front page of tabloid papers
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13520221,00.html
!!!!!!!! Israel need to to take care of themselves !!!!
………….,,,all this thanks to (AIPAC Pro-Israel) lobby ,,,,…………
April 23rd, 2006 at 4:06 pmMeg, I’m mid-state NY –many many people here are having a hard time with gas prices now…..some drive 40 or more miles one way to work at jobs that are paying $8 to $10 per hour……the math is easy to figure…that kind of wage won’t buy them a new hybrid easily….And here, i’m only speaking on this one’ disfunctional issue in this(OUR) country. Can we sustain a war in Iran??
April 23rd, 2006 at 4:10 pmPeople, don’t fear Iran, Iraq or Afganistan. Bush and the neo-nazi regime in office is more a threat to our freedom, liberty, and democracy than the entire Islam nation could ever be. This menice king needs to be removed from office before the country is lost. He is a Nero, fiddling while the country burns. Worse yet, we are sheeple failing to see the signs and hear the call of liberty. Write your congressmen and senators, tell them to be vigilant and not to be tricked into attaching Iran. Tell them to do what is right, not what is politically correct. It time to return to government by and for the people not some select group of corporate fat cats. Challenge conservative thinking and speech when you have a chance, speak out, ask why they hate America so, let freedom ring.
April 23rd, 2006 at 4:27 pmDavid B I referyou to #125 it seems to fit
April 23rd, 2006 at 4:37 pmThis story has been absurdly exaggerated. First of all, the Washington Post article said that the Hoover meeting was about Iraq, not Iran. Second, any meeting that any president has, to which the press isn’t invited (which is about 95% of his meetings), is “private”, but that doesn’t make it secretive. Third, to say that the Hoover Institution is “aggressively promoting” a military strike on Iran is ridicuous, since no academic entity at a university like Stanford could have any position on such a current political controversy and remain accredited. Fourth, no president would discuss an impending military action in elecronically unsecured rooms (as on the Stanford campus, much less at a private home, where the meeting ultlimately took place). Folks, the idea of a military strike on Iran may be horrible, but let’s not get hysterical about every bump we hear in the night. It does not help critics of this president to hyperventilate about every rumor — it only discredits his critics.
April 23rd, 2006 at 4:39 pmSANTO… regardless… i do appreciate you posting it.!
IRAWH… the short answer to your question?? hell no!!!! but besides not being able to sustain a war it would be MORALLY wrong. that is where i am coming from!! premptive foreign policy is a sin against the whole world!!! Big Bully American with it’s paranoia!
April 23rd, 2006 at 4:40 pm‘ARE YOU LOOKING AT ME????? ARE YOU LOOKING AT ME? Cuz if YOURE looking at me I might have to shoot you!!!’ thats what we are about these days!!!
Help! We have nuts advising the Whitehouse and a moron listening to them. Why is this moron convinced that that his job is to run around killing people? His own and others? Unfortunately this administration is becoming so bad that there will be a march on washington with the police and army on the side of the revolution. If this doesnt occur then Mexico will probably invade and liberate us
April 23rd, 2006 at 4:47 pmHelp! We have nuts advising the Whitehouse and a moron listening to them. Why is this moron convinced that that his job is to run around killing people? His own and others? Unfortunately this administration is becoming so bad that there will be a march on washington with the police and army on the side of the revolution. If this doesnt occur then Mexico will probably invade and liberate us
April 23rd, 2006 at 4:47 pmLink
April 23rd, 2006 at 4:48 pmIMPEACHMENT will be the answer should Bush choose to violate International and Christian Law with an inexcusable invasion of Iran.
April 23rd, 2006 at 5:35 pm“we are a lot closer we dont need you starting shit half way round the world – wankers the lot of you “
Comment by Hanz — April 23, 2006 @ 2:24 pm
Hanz.
April 23rd, 2006 at 6:31 pmwhere are you from?
SQUEGEEBOO… maybe they removed to make room for HANZ’ LONG LONG post! i dont know about the rest of you but i prefer a link to go to if any poster wants to make long detailed statement.
April 23rd, 2006 at 6:54 pmBush ISN’T A Christian, He’s A Occultist.
For all you who are misinformed. Bush is NOT a Christian.
He is a member of “Skull and Bones” a secret society with
ties to freemasonry and other mystery schools who foster
secret oaths and allegiance to their ORDER.
These organizations are an organization within an organization.
It is within their secret meetings of the higher degree members
that revolutions are planned, state sponsored terror, and wars
all geared towards ending our present order of things to be replaced
by their “New World Order.” These secret societies are founded on
the “OCCULT” and worship of “LUCIFER.”
These organizations represent a threat to every American and should be
outlawed completely. Anything that is done in secret is almost always SINISTER
in nature and should NOT be part of a FREE and MORAL society.
These organizations are UNAMERICAN. They represent a HIDDEN HAND that
is allowed to operate in complete SECRECY from public scrutiny.
Freemasons meet regularly in what their own literature calls “TEMPLES” These buildings are representative of an idealogical OCCULT religion rooted in the worship and adoration of “LUCIFER.” The lower initiates are blind to the organizations TRUE
intentions and are fed garbage lies by the higher degree of their brotherhood.
The PENTAGRAM, The number 6, The HORNED DEVIL GOAT, And many symbols
are ALL part of these secret societies. Americans turn their faces away and ALLOW
these organizations to fester and place their fellow conspirators in our Government, Congress, and even the Presidency. Thus we now have a QUASI DICTATORSHIP operating apart from the seperation of powers. Go ahead and tell me I’m Wrong!
Pre-emptive attacks on soveriegn nations are what every DICTATOR in history has done, even the old SOVIET UNION, HITLER, MUSSOLINI, and others.
It was MADNESS then, it is STILL MADNESS NOW.
ALL power resides in the people. Our civil servants who are ELECTED by the
public trust are ACCOUNTABLE to the people. PERIOD.
DEFACTO law is NOT LAW. The litmus test is our Constitution.
April 23rd, 2006 at 6:56 pm#271 You still haven’t explained the syrup part of it to me yet :)
April 23rd, 2006 at 7:26 pmI wouldnt even bother to ask her to do housework, cause I know she wouldnt. :)
Nice to know you cower at the notion :), but if I don’t do housework, who does? The cats?
Unbelievable, theirs no point to argueing about the WTC here, or pretty much on any other blog liberal or conservative, everyone has their opinion on it and you have 0% chance of changing their minds, its one of those logic thingies you mentioned before, about how becuase its what you choose to believe your automatically right or what not.
Comment by squegeeboo — April 23, 2006 @ 3:50 pm
I’m not trying to change anyone’s mind – just let them know that someone with an education and professional experience in building design who is a liberal sees gaps in the theory, and that they might wanna hear it from me before they go shouting it from the roof tops. But, it seems that in this case, the reality doesn’t matter. Oh well. I tried. Am tired of talking about it actually, because ultimately, I just get attacked for my professional opinion as if I’m making up stuff for the heck of it.
April 23rd, 2006 at 7:27 pmANTHONY not to dismiss you thought but there are a lot of Democrats who are members of ‘Skull and Crossbones” including John Kerry. Having said that i agree decisions should be made by All the people and not a select few. more reason to get rid of the antiquated voting system and go to 1 man 1 vote!
April 23rd, 2006 at 7:29 pm#273 I just get attacked for my professional opinion as if I’m making up stuff for the heck of it.
Well you just leave that part up to me, its where it belongs.
April 23rd, 2006 at 7:30 pmDosn’t seem to exist, but I don’t see anything from TP apologising for thread errors.
Comment by squegeeboo — April 23, 2006 @ 6:34 pm
Like I mentioned earlier while you were scrubbing the toilet, Spudge told me that Judd dislikes conspiracy theory because it makes this site look like a radical left-wing moonbat blog. The stuff isn’t substantiated, so I don’t blame him. Just don’t ppost any links to it and you’ll be fine. Though, somehow, I have a feeling you don’t buy into it anyway. Just a guess. :)
April 23rd, 2006 at 7:32 pmYou still haven’t explained the syrup part of it to me yet :)
Comment by squegeeboo — April 23, 2006 @ 7:26 pm
That’s cause your dad is supposed to have had that talk with you by now… :)
April 23rd, 2006 at 7:34 pm#276 Like I mentioned earlier while you were scrubbing the toilet,
Actually, I was playing around with light fixtures, redoing wiring and all that, and some how neither me, or the roomate helping out managed to get killed or shocked, today is indeed a good day. Now to call up the old man about syrup.
April 23rd, 2006 at 7:37 pmWell you just leave that part up to me, its where it belongs.
Comment by squegeeboo — April 23, 2006 @ 7:30 pm
Okay Opie… I’ll be back a bit later, I need to make a phone call.
April 23rd, 2006 at 7:38 pmActually, I was playing around with light fixtures, redoing wiring and all that, and some how neither me, or the roomate helping out managed to get killed or shocked, today is indeed a good day.
This is why, although more male babies are conceived, that as each year goes by in a life span, there are fewer and fewer males that progress. You do know about turning off the circuits, right?
Now to call up the old man about syrup.
Comment by squegeeboo — April 23, 2006 @ 7:37 pm
Let us know if you have any questions afterward (I’m hoping for NOT : )
April 23rd, 2006 at 8:17 pmThis is why, although more male babies are conceived, that as each year goes by in a life span, there are fewer and fewer males that progress. You do know about turning off the circuits, right?
Your right, doing all the work does tire us out, and leads to extra dangers that lead to shorter life spans.
April 23rd, 2006 at 8:27 pmYour right, doing all the work does tire us out, and leads to extra dangers that lead to shorter life spans.
Comment by squegeeboo — April 23, 2006 @ 8:27 pm
That’s one way to spin it, O’Reilly… : )
April 23rd, 2006 at 8:39 pmI am a Libertarian and have been for a number of years. While the Hoover Institution may have a few libertarian leaning advocates of free markets (as opposed to the corporatism that progressives often incorrectly identify as a free market), I would hardly classify the Hoover Institution as libertarian. To classify Tod Lindberg or Thomas Sowell as libertarians truly misses the mark.
The Libertarian Party is the ONLY political party that adopts the principle of nonintervention in its platform. As one who is anti-war (both Republican and Democrat), I would recommend antiwar.com where the editor and webmaster are libertarians to get a more libertarian view of war. Another outlet for a libertarian perspective on war is lewrockwell.com. Just yesterday, I had the pleasure of running into Karen Kwiatkowski at the Libertarian Party of Virginia’s convention – she appears in the movie Why We Fight and recently appeared on C-SPAN blasting the neocon warmongers.
Doing a quick googling of the Hoover Institution’s website, I actually found a number of papers that suggested that the invasion of Iran would not be such a good idea. SEE: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=site%3Awww.hoover.org+IRAN
Not knwoing who Bush spoke with at Hoover, it is impossible to say what advice he may have received. I would hope that he spoke with a real libertarian. I sincerely wish progressives and libertarians could work together on matters that we agree upon and I wish progressives and libertarians could debate honestly about issues upon which we may disagree.
Finally, I would like to call attention to the campaign of Kevin Zeese for Maryland Senator. Kevin is a progressive writer and a Green who has already won the nomination of the Libertarian Party and is expected to win the nomination of the Green Party – now that is working together. It is his strong anti-war stance that has created this unity campaign. SEE: http://www.kevinzeese.com
April 23rd, 2006 at 8:41 pmGeorge P. Shultz also works for the Caryle Group, where politics and military business is deeply merged as it should never happen in a democracy. I highly recommend to watch the documantary Exposed: The Carlyle Group
April 23rd, 2006 at 8:45 pmhttp://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3995.htm
That’s one way to spin it, O’Reilly… : )
Ah, to walk in the footsteps of such Giants.
Goodnight all.
April 23rd, 2006 at 8:47 pmPlain Truth About Bunker-Buster Nukes…
President Bush has let us know that he hears the voices (of the opposition), but unfortunately he gives no indication that he has listened to the voices, or attempted any kind of critical analysis. He has let us know that he is the decider, but ……..
April 23rd, 2006 at 8:49 pmEveryone says lets do something!! Well lets Empeach before it is too late!
April 23rd, 2006 at 8:59 pmWe need a to kick Iran’s ass and destroy their nuclear reactors.
April 23rd, 2006 at 9:32 pmThere is a conspiracy, it has been underway since around 1778. The big gains began in 1914 as the Illuminati gained a foothold in our banking system and america was
led into ww1 to insure britains victory. The price charged was Isreal and payment made
at the end of ww2.
Do your homework and check out the relationship of bush 1 and the saudi. The new world order is being ushered in my friends, right in front of our noses. The only way
any president has gotten support for war, is by a fabricated event that shocks the commoners and scares them. The Maine Incedent, Pearl Harbor, Tonkin Bay, 911.
All were plannned and executed to justify aggression. Without the cold war threat to fuel the military industrial complex corporate greed, they needed terrorism to be the boogy man, so 911 was the way. The evil sick neocon pigs were fully involved it the
killing of 3000 innocent americans! If you don’t believe it, then you had better wake up and do your homework. If you truly believe that bin ladin pulled it off from a cave in the hills, and that four airliners were able to fly around the most protected airspace
in the world without being intercepted, you are nuts! Impossible. Cheney scheduled training missions ( terrorsts flying planes into bldings ). Air traffic contollers were confused because of this last hour change. And why did blding 7 collapse on its footprint in a perfect example of demolition? No plane hit that building. And bye the way, jet fuel does not burn hot enough to even weaken steel, especially when 80% is thrown out in a fireball. 911 research web site has all the proof you need. Too many
coincedentals. Where is the plane that hit the pentagon and bore a hole through all those rings? Not even an engine was found. Only a missle could penetrate like that. And no raghead that could not fly a cessna could execute the manuver that the so called airliner made prior to hitting the pentagon. And why won’t the government show the videos that were confiscated? Why were no cameras allowed at the wtc cleanup? There is more than enough fact to clearly show that our great leaders who stole out government have an agenda and they don’t care who dies. Soon you will be required to take your national ID number. Your RF Tag will allow them to keep you safe and find you if you get lost. Next year you will have to tag your livestock. Wake up People,
Big Brother is Here. Your constitutional rights are gone in case you didn’t notice, all for homeland security. You can be arrested and thrown away for ever without being charged, or have legal help, or anything. Why do you think Halliburton is building all those gulags across this country? The new world order will come when BushPig declares martial law. Our financial calamady could fail at any time. All that has to happen is for china, japan, and India stop buying our treasury notes ( our debt ).
In all seriousness people, we are in for bad times ahead. buy gold and guns. Spend some time learning how to survive with minimum resources. And most important, never, never, take the Number. You can’t give it back!
bandit
April 23rd, 2006 at 10:07 pm#286 – Paul Smith,
April 23rd, 2006 at 10:20 pmWhat the heck do Iran’s nuclear reactors have to do with the equation? BushCo is after their enrichment facilities. Reactors are passive facilities that happen to convert nuclear decay to heat which powers turbines which in turn cycle generators. Heavy water reactors (of which Iran has none) do produce plutonium as a byproduct.
Did anybody see the CNN special about the next 9/11 which involved a Hijacked Jumbo Jet flying into the Saudi Arabia Oil Reserves? I don’t think that this will happen, but if we attack Iran in a preemptive strike you can sure as hell bet that they will aim their missiles at those oil reserves…why? “Chain reaction effect”:
No more Saudi oil reserves = MASS GLOBAL PANIC/RIOTS/transportation halts/Basically anything in society that involves using oil comes to a sudden HALT.
In short, no more fuel at the pumps = no drive to work = no delivery of common goods from shipping ports to your city = P A N I C ! Unless…
There is a COMPLEX and SURGICAL military plan to prestrike missile silos/launchers in Iran FIRST, I guess? I think President Bush is doing the best he can with the current situation we are in. What do you think? Let me know!
April 23rd, 2006 at 10:30 pmPeter Blake,
April 23rd, 2006 at 10:45 pmWhat missile silos have you located that US intelligence (oximoran alert) has not? Return to your Kool Aid ™ dispenser and locate your Binkey(also tm).
The majority of the people in the reopen 911 movement are engineers, architechs & demolition experts who claim that the building were brought down with internal devices.
The transcripts from the firefighters & police claims that they heard explosions going off, the same testimony from employees in the building who also heard explosions going off in the building.
Most of the people who are in the know are under gag order from the government keeping them from speaking. i.e. Sibel Edmonds
None of that evidence appears in the 911 commission report, just like OK City Bombing which also had firefighters & police finding unexploded bombs of military type right on national tv, but that also never made it in the report for that atrocity carried out by the government.
Don’t believe any one person, go check it out for yourself on the internet search engines.
All of the current players are the same from the Reagan/Bush team of Iran Contra. Americans seem to forget their recent past history of corruption. And both the republicans & the democrats are involved. That was obvious when they (democrats) stabbed Rep Murtha in the back when he demanded an end to their lying, criminal crusade thru the middle east & joined the republicans to continue their war of terror.
April 23rd, 2006 at 10:56 pmIt’s a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World…..Bush is not a Christian. Bush is a murdering Satanist whose legacy will, if he fails to repent (at the very least, immediately step down after publically giving back all his dishonest gains and everything he has except the clothes on his back to the people of the USA and Iraq, amonst others) , will be an unending inward and outward molecular fire that cannot ever be quenched. Bush has a soul but he has either sold it to Satan long ago or else is simply insane. The best way to stop such madness is to request Divine intervention to suddenly finish Bush or his ‘Power Team’ off or cripple him or them in such a public and irreperable manner, that the whole world could see that God is just. It’s not too late for something useful like this to happen, and for the world to recover the peace it had before the Bushes and the neo CONS and the elite began their wanton havoc designed to gain the world for themselves, though they will no doubt lose their eternal souls.
April 23rd, 2006 at 11:21 pmA couple of weeks before all those retired generals spoke out about the resident in the white house I met a retired marine. First I asked him if he was sure he’d done all his time. We got to talking politics…I’m always interested in hearing veterans about their feelings about what’s happening. This guy is heavy into veterans rights and benefits – surprise, surprise, the white house is trying to take away more of their benefits. The guy told me that a few months before there had been a secret meeting in Crystal City, just outside of the Pentagon, and a suburb of DC. The media wasn’t invited, the NSA wasn’t invited, Republicans weren’t invited……retired military leaders held this meeting to talk about the chaos of the war, etc, etc….John McCain WAS INVITED….they asked him if there was a military coup of the government, would he step up. When he left, the media was all over him, but he wouldn’t comment. Now this was interesting when I heard it, but when a few weeks later all those retired generals spoke out against Rummy, the war, Bush…wellllll…hold onto your seats.
April 23rd, 2006 at 11:22 pmcrazy lady
President Bush can go to any think tank, such as the one he just secretly gone to; however, he cannot get any plans for aggressive war on Iran, because China and Russia – two nuclear superpowers – will not stand by and allow this aggression to happen. BTW, this think tank is not truly libertarian. Libertarians are strong defenders of the US Constitution, which Bush & Co. totally DESPISE.
April 23rd, 2006 at 11:33 pmI don’t know where the Washington Post gets off calling the Hoover Institute “libertarian”. Maybe they’re trying to give cheap shots a good name. Before anyone buys that lie, please read the following from the Libertarian Party Platform:
IV. Foreign Affairs
B. Military
1. Military Policy
Transitional Action:
“We call for the withdrawal of all American military personnel stationed abroad, including the countries of NATO Europe, Japan, the Philippines, Central America and South Korea. There is no current or foreseeable risk of any conventional military attack on the American people, particularly from long distances. We call for the withdrawal of the U.S. from commitments to engage in war on behalf of other governments and for abandonment of doctrines supporting military intervention such as the Monroe Doctrine.”
That’s the libertarian position on the the role of the U.S military.
For my part, I’ve called upon the U.S. military personnel stationed in Iraq individually and collectively, to mutiny and return to the U.S.in direct defiance of the superiors:
http://www.smallgov.org/?p=210
I Have pointed out how the United States Government is responsible for initiating the conflict; and therefore bears sole responsibility for ending it by the only practical means available; unilateral withdrawal:
http://www.smallgov.org/?p=188
Furthermore, I have called for the impeachment, arrest, public trial and summary execution the the so-called “president”,georgewbush for treason and war crimes:
http://www.smallgov.org/?p=154
These, I submit as the Libertarian position on these matters.
If these be treason; if these be sedition, so be it. I for one, will continue to engage in “treason” and “sedition” against the White House squatter with pride.
While it’s been suggested that the latter was a bit “over the top”, no one I know of that refers to themselves as “Libertarian” has offered any disagreement.
If you encounter any, please feel free to call them liars and hypocrites on my behalf.
I’d ask the Washington Post for a retraction and an apology, but in case you hadn’t noticed, I’m not exactly a forgiving soul.
—The Bikemessenger
April 24th, 2006 at 1:01 amI have been using 911 as an IQ test. But so that no one would have any future doubts, I can assure you all that 911 was an inside job committed by the George Bush Administration for manifold purposes. If you still don’t understand how it happened and why they did it, I offer my sincere condolences for your notable lack of intelligence.
April 24th, 2006 at 1:40 amThe poster Unbelievable makes statements about engineering and architecture that simply do not apply to WTC on 911. Neither “Lateral wind loads” nor even large airplanes can bring steel buildings down–by specific engineering design–and it’s as simple as that. Everyone knows 911 was an inside job. Whether they are willing to admit it to themselves and the world is their own problem to deal with.
April 24th, 2006 at 2:11 am[...] There was also a link to the original [...]
April 24th, 2006 at 3:04 amComment by Tom the Nonpartisan — April 24, 2006 @ 1:40 am
And I thought that Hindu dimwit Rainman was psychotic.
April 24th, 2006 at 7:00 amAh, to walk in the footsteps of such Giants.
Comment by squegeeboo — April 23, 2006 @ 8:47 pm
Yeah, giant imbeciles… :)
April 24th, 2006 at 7:22 amThe poster Unbelievable makes statements about engineering and architecture that simply do not apply to WTC on 911. Neither “Lateral wind loads†nor even large airplanes can bring steel buildings down–by specific engineering design–and it’s as simple as that. Everyone knows 911 was an inside job. Whether they are willing to admit it to themselves and the world is their own problem to deal with.
Comment by Tom the Nonpartisan — April 24, 2006 @ 2:11 am
I know it’s tough with your ADHD, but I have REPEATEDLY said that what brought the towres down was 3 things:
1) a plane hit it,
2) it was on fire, and
3)the top portion of it became a detached free-falling dead weight load.
It was NOT designed to withstand all of those things at the same time. Don’t be such an idiot. It was not a conspiracy. You make the left look like the far right. Stop it. We have enough moonbats as it is.
I’m guessing that you have no experience in building design either, so either site your references, or stop arguing about something you know nothing about. It makes you look foolish. Or rather, more foolish than you already look.
April 24th, 2006 at 7:27 amP.S. Tom, changing your screen name from ‘Tom the Republican’ to ‘Tom the Non-Partisan’ isn’t fooling anyone. You couldn’t debate me earlier, and you still can’t debate me now. Give it up.
April 24th, 2006 at 7:29 amDon’t believe any one person, go check it out for yourself on the internet search engines.
Comment by John — April 23, 2006 @ 10:56 pm
Here’s a newsflash genius – I have NOTHING to gain here. Unlike the conspiracy nuts who hope to get 15 minutes of fame and a book deal. And I can give you many others who agree with me who are not looking for anything out of it.
Just cause the internet says so doesn’t make it true. It says that aliens abduct people too, so you believe that?
April 24th, 2006 at 7:31 amI never see any remarks or suggestions that perhaps Iran already has nukes and that would pretty much make everything moot, wouldn’t it. The world goes on talking, discussing, predicting and arguing about what ain’t even real. A big farce, waste of time, distraction, as the money and all the rest just keeps on rolling. Think about it.. If I had hundreds of billions of dollars I’ll bet you 50 cents I could buy anything on earth. Like we all know every country in the world is free, if you have money.
April 24th, 2006 at 7:50 amSincerely,
HP Bradish,
Austin, Tx.
IF GEORGE BUSH WAS HITLER – FOR BETTER OR WORSE
April 24th, 2006 at 8:04 amHitler had massive quantities of nerve gas at the beginning ww2. No other nation knew of the existence of this chemical agent. Three B29 bombers carrying nerve gas would have killed more Japanese in Hiroshima then the Atomic Bomb that was dropped by a B.29 The Germans had over 2000 V1 (impulse motor cruse missiles) with 1 ton war heads at the VW plant (before) the start of the Battle of Britton.
Using the above combination of technologies alone would have secured Hitler Victory without loosing a single aircraft in the Battle of Britton.
If George W. Bush had been Chandler or Germany during ww2? I believe that he would not take very long in determining that Britton represented such a danger that the use of these technologies was moral given his perception of balance. Is the world in trouble? In a word YES!
[...] for a pre-emptive attack on Iran. Yikes. Posted by on 04/24/06 at 8:27 am Category: White House | Permalink | No Comments» [...]
April 24th, 2006 at 8:21 amThat question brings us to the recent New York Times op-ed column by Iraq war veteran Paul Kane, who is identified in his bio as a fellow at the Kennedy School of Government who is “writing a book about national service and sacrifice.â€
That alone should be sufficient to tell you what Kane is proposing.
“President Bush should … consult with Congress about reinstituting selective national service by lottery for all young males and females,†writes Kane. “After 9/11, President Bush missed an opportunity to ask America’s citizenry to make sacrifices in the form of military service, homeland defense and conservation that many would have accepted. Instead, he asked people to continue shopping to prop up the flagging economy. We should not fumble the opportunity now to begin selective service again, while the Iranians and others are watching. It may be our last best chance to avoid war with Iran.â€
Bizarro World…of Neo-Cons and Loe Strauss Likud Bolsheviks??
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the Canaanites, the descendants of Japheth through Gomer, Togarmah, … Another Zionist organization, a new one, is the Tagar, the “youth arm” of Betar. …
http://www.israelect.com/reference/Willie-Martin/SerpentInfest.html – 82k -[Betar Togarmists [betar-tagar]
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it just keeps getting stranger and stranger.
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The city of Betar — the Jews’ last stand against the Romans — was captured … 6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, …
So theses Tagars, want to kill the Roman [Christians] and the Neo-Cons of course want to kill the Jews [Financing import of Poor Soviet Jews into Westbank[Falwell] The Christian Zionists [such as Gary North, believe that 2/3 of the Jews must die before Christ Returns] The Neo-Cons, [Christian Zionists and Jewish Zionists alliance] want to also Destroy China, [Pygmys as Bush Calls them] the Blacks, and the Muslims as well. The Russians of course have always been on the Neo-Con agenda as well. Crazy Man Crazy.
April 24th, 2006 at 8:49 amUnbelievable you’re just too unbelievable. Your pancake theory just does not hold water. As each floor fell, the below floor would have given some resistance and that a free fall was not possible under the pancake theory.
Only thru explosives can you have a free fall.
I think I will believe the hundreds of scholars that have much more advanced degrees than yourself. All the college prefessors, the architechs, engineers, bomb demolition experts, fire department, police department, etc. etc, etc.
April 24th, 2006 at 8:56 amJudd and co.,
I want you to know I don’t paint you all with the same brush. The conspiracy wackos here should wake you up to the fact that there are nut jobs on your side of the aisle as well as mine. I bring his up because it is constantly assumed by most libs here that all conservatives are Bible thumpers and war mongers ect.. Sterotyping (aka profiling) is something libs are alegedly opposed to, but many libs here employ it often. There are crooks, liars and whack jobs on both sides. We need to avoid extremism find decent leaders and solve some serious problems that threaten and divide our world. Bush is a dissapointment I agree and from the numbers most conservatives do also. But flinging BS like the topic of this thread does not lead to progress it feeds the insane fringe elements and further divides. We are not likely to bomb Iran any time soon forget about using nukes to do it. Our military has plans for just about every scenario you could imagine that does not mean they will act on those plans.
Judd,
Why do you manipulate words to frighten the ignorant? You like to point fingers at republicans but often your writings and actions fit right into the world of sleazy attorney/politicians whom none of us should listen to or ever elect and your censorship on this thread should thread should be enough for any decent minded liberal to agree. Maybe I need to ask you what your definition of “progress” is. Because censorship is not “progress” in most peoples mind. You criticize Fox for its bias while you do not even attempt objectivity.
Unbelievable,
April 24th, 2006 at 9:05 amI have a deeper respect for you as a result of this thread. Like the libs true conservatives wonder if the left are simply in lock step or are brain dead or both. Taking on the left wing moonbats is not an easy task but I admire your honesty and integrity in attempting to do so on this issue.
Strong’s Concordance gives the word “Meluwkah” for “kingdom,” “Amelukah” and “Meluwkah” are related. A professor by the name of Odlum indicates that the letters “L” and “r” are sometimes interchangeable. The Hebrew “Meluwkah” became “Merukah” and “Amelukah” became “Amerucah,” the later being the Latin form of the word “America.
[Just like Bush Says, 'mericah]
In another work by Louis Finkelstine, The “Pharisees,” 2nd Ed., Vol. 1, The Jewish Publication Society, 1940, pp. 22-21, we have this quote: “The apogee of Pharisaism is the Talmud of Babylonia… Pharisaism became Talmudism, Talmudism became Medieval Rabbinism, and Medieval Rabbinism became Modern Rabbinism. But throughout these changes of name…the spirit of the ancient Pharisee survives unaltered.”
[Phariasism]
Scripture: Matthew 15:19, 12:19
The next word on our list is adulteries or the Greek word moy-khi-ah which is very close to what
follows the word translated fornications which is por-ni-ah. Moy-khi-ah and por-ni-ah describe the whole
dimension of sexuality and God’s intent for us to maintain a solid purity in that realm whether it be thought,
word, or deed. We get the word pornography from por-ni-ah which describes the visual stimulation and
vicarious experience coming from viewing such illicit material. Perversion sexually almost always leads to
perversion spiritually. It is interesting that in the midst of dealing with pharisaism Jesus would solidly address
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Welp, there it is, Bush and the ‘Zionists’, but they aren’t really Zionists either, they are just wacked out perverts.
April 24th, 2006 at 9:09 amForget the Religon, thats just an excuse, a rationalization for their very ODD behavior, Torture, Rendition, Wars, Lies.
Sickos. And this Day John Has set his word upon them
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AETZI [John 1;1] is upon the Neo-CONS and I would really hate to be the Neo-Cons right about now…
No Wonder they are dropping like flies.
The zionists are on a mission to rule the world and consolidate all the natural resources, along the way they want destroy all muslims and who/what ever else gets in their way (if you still havent figured that one out yet than i suggest you do some research on the PNAC). All the “terrorism” and attrocities such as 9/11 have been orchestarted by the zionists, who have full control of America, however they will NEVER succeed because the muslims will bring order to the disorder created by secularists and ofcourse jerusalem will be the capital of the revolutionary muslim empire! ;)
April 24th, 2006 at 10:54 amWe have been raised by television to believe that we are the Good Guys, and that in the end, Good always triumphs over evil. While there are good people here in America, the nation is no longer regarded as the Good Guys. We are the Bad Guys now, and we’re about to start World War III. The ugly truth of this evident in everyones’ complacency. “Do nothing, regret after the fact.” This is the pattern of how we Americans are now, through brainwashing and reprogramming over the years. Bad things are happening right before our very eyes, at the hands of our leaders. These same leaders who have taken an oath to uphold the integrity of this nation and the rule of law as proclaimed by the Constituion of the United States and the Bill of Rights. We are in a new Dark Age my friends, and the only way we are going to overcome it is to put words into action and do something about it. This is our nation, our government. We do not answer to the ill will of one man. He must answer to us, and not through avoidance channels which he blantantly ignores. He must answer directly to us.
April 24th, 2006 at 10:56 amThink of your children. Do you want to leave this world knowing that you helped destroy their future by doing nothing. We are fighting two illegal wars overseas right now, when the war we should be fighting is right here at home. We are being terrorized by our own leaders.
Oh and by the way, the Muslims will not spread their ideologys via the sword, as some of you less intelligent folks have been duped in to believeing that the sword was how islam spread so vastly. ISlam will spread purely down to its superior civilisation structure and ideas. salam (peace).
April 24th, 2006 at 10:59 amPost 310 John > I believe the only rational explanation for the 3 buildings at the WTC complex falling straight down in unison had to be demolition charges! Building #7 was never hit by a plane and fell the same way?! It is hard for some Americans, even some anti-Bush ones, to accept that our government could commit a crime of that kind, but they did it to justify a war on Spain and they did it for Vietnam, so why not to fool our population into a war for oil on Iraq?
After the 9/11 event the WTC site was NOT treated as a crime scene > the steel was trucked out as fast as possible to be melted down in China; the “Black Boxes” from the planes were never recovered; parts of bodies were buried in a landfill; footings were dug immediately for the foundation of new buildings at the site > all activities more in tune to demolition and removal of debris from the site to get rid of evidence!
Examining the steel girders of the towers could have proved them being severed by explosives, but alas they have been smelted into new steel now! So best evidence is gone, but a real investigation is still possible! If our government has nothing to hide, then they would welcome a real investigation, but their actions prove otherwise! We may never know the facts or truth of what happened > NOT in our lifetimes anyways?!
April 24th, 2006 at 11:09 amFor a superb resource on the fall of the WTC, I have found this particular site extremely valuable.
P.S. WalMart has presweetened cherry Kool-Aid on sale this week!
April 24th, 2006 at 11:30 amOne other comment on WTC towers falling straight down > if NOT demolition charges, then the buildings were the most poorly constructed skyscrapers in history! The architect of the WTC complex claims he built the towers to withstand jet crashes and fires, so which is true here? Either the architect is a liar who should be prosecuted for shoddy construction, or the buildings were taken down by demolition charges for dramatic effect and to cover up evidence? Just so everyone knows the US military has state of the art demo charges that can be set of by remote control, so no need to wire the buildings months in advance! A few days before 9/11 the air conditioning systems in all the buildings were worked on and nobody was allowed to observe their work, so charges easily could have been strapped to each girder in the towers! A real investigation could have uncovered the conspiracy that most likely took place?!
April 24th, 2006 at 11:31 amJay
I had a teacher onece, who slammed her fist into her table so hard that she broke the glass which rested on it. Building 7 might have fallen to the same sort of thing as that glass.
April 24th, 2006 at 11:33 amExoskeleton/truss architecture. You folks ain’t playing (with a full deck).
April 24th, 2006 at 11:39 amI believe the only rational explanation for the 3 buildings at the WTC complex falling straight down in unison had to be demolition charges!
Comment by Jay Randal — April 24, 2006 @ 11:09 am
Based on what? Have you studied building design? Statics? Structural Analysis?
The architect who designed the building actually said it was designed for a plane crash. Not for a plane crash, fire and pile drive. No building I know is designed for mass calamities because the cost to do so would be preventative. We are Capitalistic here, and money talks loudest.
Really, I’m not trying to crash your party. There is a rational reason for it. And people with practical experience in the field agree.
April 24th, 2006 at 11:48 amPost 319 Bruce > If the WTC complex was taken down by demo charges, then building #7 was where they messed up! Without being hit by a plane #7 just had minor structural damage from debris from the towers and a fire without jet fuel feeding it! Germany’s intelligence services now claim that building #7 was the command center for the whole operation, so was blown to cover that up?! Now that the steel girders have been resmelted, and the WTC site completely cleared off, it would be difficult to prove what really happened! Why did Bush NOT want a real inspection of the steel before it was sent to China?
April 24th, 2006 at 11:59 amUnbelievable I do not wish to argue with you about this > have you personally constructed a skyscraper before? Many experts in the construction field differ with your opinion > I am NOT a structural engineer or a architect! The steel should have been evaluated for evidence of being severed by explosives, but it was NOT done > too late to do it now! Building #7 did NOT have severed upper floors by a plane impacting the building, so NO reason for it to fall like the 2 towers! If you think the buildings fell by weight overload on the structure, then explain why they fell straight down rather fast > did NOT topple over I might add! All this speculation could have been put to rest if Bush had allowed proper investigations of the WTC site! Let us leave this subject as we both have differing opinions > I will not change my opinion nor will you!
April 24th, 2006 at 12:11 pmJay, you might find some new friends to discuss world politics and the WTC here. No, no need to thank me, always here to help. Your Pal, Elmo.
April 24th, 2006 at 12:20 pmJay,
Then how can say that there’s no rational way? That’s the part that annoys me, when someone who doesn’t have an in depth awareness of somthing makes such an absolute statement to someone who does, and how I got into that argument with Santo. Explosives were not necessary to collapse the towers. Maybe they were there, but there is no proof of that. I’m just saying ya’ll should be less adamant about something you cannot debate knowledgably, it makes you sound extreme, and I know you guys are not.
April 24th, 2006 at 12:24 pmUnbelievable
Have you ever read Condominium by John D MacDonald?
April 24th, 2006 at 12:29 pmUnbelievable unless you personally constructed the WTC towers, then you are not an expert on it either! I repeat many architects, structural engineers differ with your opinion! My opinion is based on their opinions! A real independent investigation was NOT done on the WTC site! Everyone should be mad at Bush for NOT doing that!!!
Without the steel to be examined this argument becomes mute! You have your personal opinion and I have mine > case closed!
April 24th, 2006 at 12:51 pmUnbelievable:
As an engineer myself (Mechanical) I understand your need for evidence before you believe the “conspiracy theory” of the controlled demolition of the two World Trade Center Towers.
However, where is the evidence supporting the “pancake” theory?
Where are the Photo-Micrographs of the steel, showing that it failed due to heat softening?
The “Official Story” of 9/11 has so many holes in it, you could fly 3 airliners through it!
That is why I doubt the “Official Story”, not because I know what happened that day, but because the information presented so far just doesn’t hold up to rigorous scrutiny.
April 24th, 2006 at 3:29 pmI think I will believe the hundreds of scholars that have much more advanced degrees than yourself. All the college prefessors, the architechs, engineers, bomb demolition experts, fire department, police department, etc. etc, etc.
Comment by John — April 24, 2006 @ 8:56 am
Listen carefully…. A PhD with ZERO practical experience does NOT trump a community with Bachelors and Masters Degrees (some from Yale and Harvard) with a practical experience. It’s why high risk careers such as architecture, law and doctors must do internships and take tests before they can practice. Who would you rather have operate on you – a PhD in medicine or a medical doctor with 14 years of prior experience?
Scholars are theortectical people. Until they produce physical, real world results, it doesn’t matter what they say.
I’ve seen the ‘experts’ on this and they are not conclusive. Someone is just saying a lot of ‘what if’s and you guys are falling for it because you want it to be true.
I don’t have a ‘Pancake Theory”, I have a ‘Plane Crash, Fire, Dead Load Weight in motion’ educated hypothesis that is agreed with by more architects than the Conspiracy Theory of people who have not spent a day in their lives in the field. You need practical experience to be an ‘authority’ in a court of law, after all.
And for the record, when you resort to calling me names, you lose a lot of credibility.
April 24th, 2006 at 3:41 pmUnbelievable,
I have a deeper respect for you as a result of this thread. Like the libs true conservatives wonder if the left are simply in lock step or are brain dead or both. Taking on the left wing moonbats is not an easy task but I admire your honesty and integrity in attempting to do so on this issue.
Comment by troll — April 24, 2006 @ 9:05 am
Thanks. But you might change your mind if I challenge you on something ;). I don’t believe in blind faith in a party or a system or much else really. And my experience tells me that this 9/11 theory is not good for the left.
April 24th, 2006 at 3:44 pmUnbelievable unless you personally constructed the WTC towers, then you are not an expert on it either! I repeat many architects, structural engineers differ with your opinion! My opinion is based on their opinions! A real independent investigation was NOT done on the WTC site! Everyone should be mad at Bush for NOT doing that!!!
Nonsense. I didn’t have to build it to understand it. That’s not what defines an expert.
The majority of the architects and engineers who agree with that report are not practicing in the field. They scholars, and I explained above why that is less credible.
I think you’re focusing on something that will not fix the problem we are in. Why? Because the Developers were so eager to get the site cleared that there was one investigation which did involved an independent component of the Society of Civil Engineers. There have been many other independent sources who examined the evidence, and the large majority of architects and engineers do not believe the Conspiracy Theory. The majority thinks what I think, and in a Democracy, well, majorities have clout for a reason.
You can always find peope who will join any cause. Just cause you have 25 of them doesn’t mean a whole lot when the professions as a whole are not buying it. A small minority proves nothing. And I wouldn’t put my life in the hands of that extreme minority – would you?
Without the steel to be examined this argument becomes mute! You have your personal opinion and I have mine > case closed!
Comment by Jay Randal — April 24, 2006 @ 12:51 pm
No Jay, I have an educated opinion that you do not seem to understand. I was trying to explain to you guys where the holes in the theory are, and you start treating me with a lot of disrespect. It makes you guys no different than the far-right. I have lost a lot of admiration for those of you who turned this personal and used it as a tool. But, whatever. There are still people who believe all kinds of theories that have since been debunked because they won’t let go.
April 24th, 2006 at 3:55 pmThat is why I doubt the “Official Storyâ€, not because I know what happened that day, but because the information presented so far just doesn’t hold up to rigorous scrutiny.
Comment by Silas — April 24, 2006 @ 3:29 pm
I haven’t read the Official Story. I’m sure it’s the usual government crap. I’m not talking about that. I’m talking about the realities of 3 major stresses put upon a building not designed to withstand all three simultaneously. The building will fail. In fact, it did, twice.
But, even if there were explosives, prior terrorists previously placed explosives in the towers once before. They could have done it again.
This ‘Inside Job” Theory has produced NO valid motive. Wthout one, it just makes those who follow it look like they are grasping for straws to hate Bush, and that does us no good. It makes the left look loony. I’m trying to stop my side from drinking the Kool-Aid. But, I’m beginning to believe that there are extremely few truly independent minds in this world. Even, sadly, on the left.
April 24th, 2006 at 4:04 pmHave you ever read Condominium by John D MacDonald?
Comment by Bruce Gorton — April 24, 2006 @ 12:29 pm
Just went to Google to get a review. You’re funny. I think it is definitely apt!
I wonder if people have become so desperate to ‘belong’ that they discard all things that threaten that sense of security. I stand up for what I think is right, even if I end up standing alone. The fact that some here who usually criticize the resident conservatives for being close-minded and towing party lines are just left-wing versions of the same. Disappointing.
April 24th, 2006 at 4:10 pmIran Ayatollahs are bunch of red neks that a cow boy from Texas is same. Ayatollahs are teorrist #1 and same as cow boy from USA. Now you decide two of them fate .
April 24th, 2006 at 6:57 pmTerrorism – Define The
Crime, Not The Tactic
By Terrell E. Arnold
4-24-6
In the wake of mounting violence in Iraq, reported US figures on terrorist incidents show that politically motivated violence is running out of control. The numbers appear frightening: the US figures suggest that such incidents in 2005 exceeded 10,000, more than three times the 3,200 in 2004. These numbers, a compilation of loosely defined incidents around the globe, led the Christian Science Monitor to lament last week that “a common definition of terrorism is a great challenge and a global issue.” That lament revives a debate that has been going on for decades.
This writer published a book in 1988 called the Violence Formula in which the first chapter was labeled: “Terrorism – The War of Definitions.” The summary judgment of that chapter was that terrorism, as a tactic, is seldom if ever in dispute. People simply have a problem with fitting all the cases into their value system. The conflicts or confusions of values center on what such events mean, and on who cares about that, not on how they were done.
Years ago, in codifying Federal crimes, the US Government incorporated all known acts that a terrorist might commit into Title 18 of the United States. The acts are there, spread out, as crimes against people and property. They are easily understood, hard to be confused about, because the focus of Title 18 is on the acts, meaning the crimes, not on the motives of the actors.
Motives matter greatly, however, in onlooker judgments about acts of terrorism. Specific grievances of the actor or actors, causes they uphold, national identities, race, religion, tribal connections variously enter into judgments about what is or is not an act of terrorism. The oft-repeated rendering of that is “one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.”
Such confusion has even been molded into law. Before 1985, for example, an IRA gunman could march up to an unarmed policeman on the street of Belfast, shoot him down, and retreat to safe haven in the United States. At British request, the gunman could be picked up and brought into a US court. He could brazenly say “Yes, I shot the policeman, but it was a political act”. That statement invoked a “political exception” to the US/British extradition treaty. Before an agreed US/British change in extradition rules in 1985, the shooter could not be extradited to Britain for trial. Since it was a recognized “political” act in the ongoing IRA rebellion, it was not punishable in the United States either.
The term “terrorism” unfortunately is overburdened with such exceptions, depending upon who is doing the talking or the acting, or the listening. But the principal flaw is that “terrorism” is a captive category of actions reserved by the powerful largely to define violent actions against them by the weak. Last week, for example, the Israel Defense Force admitted that for no particular reason it had bombed the Gaza Strip 300 or more times a day for several days, but a US veto kept the UN Security Council from condemning actions that were obvious terrorism by a state. Had the Palestinians done the same or similar bombings anywhere in Israeli territory, they would have been roundly condemned as terrorists. The Palestinians have been under continuous military occupation for many years, but any effort to fight back is called terrorism.
April 24th, 2006 at 7:00 pmBush is crime family and Ayatoolahs are servent of Bush and British . Oill and Power and martial Law in USa is next. A civil War in USa is imminent .6 6 6 is a possibility of Bush create some thing in USa . What do you think? 666 is evill and Bush will attack Iran is that possibility ? what is cooked for 666 ?
April 24th, 2006 at 7:07 pmUnbelievable:
You wrote: “This ‘Inside Job†Theory has produced NO valid motive. Wthout one, it just makes those who follow it look like they are grasping for straws to hate Bush, and that does us no good. It makes the left look loony.”
First of all, there are plenty of reasons to hate Bush without resorting to 9/11, primarily that he is destrying our country!
Second, if you’re looking for a motive, you should read “Securing The Realm”, by The Project for a New American Century. This interesting article states that in order for America to capitalize on its lone Superpower Status, we must agressively expand our miltary influence in the Middle East, so that we can secure the region for our benefit. The article states that the increased militarization of our foreign policy would be unacceptable to the American people without America first experiencing a “Pearl Harbor-type Event”! (By the way, the PNAC article was written by many of the Neocons currently employed by the White House.) You also might try Googling “Operation Northwoods”, if you think that such a suggestion (that America would ‘attack itself’) is ridiculous.
Do you think that Americans would have approved of the invasion of Iraq if 9/11 didn’t happen? Did you know that the Afganistan Invasion was planned before 9/11? Gee, that 9/11 attack sure came at a good time, eh?
Now, in conspiracy world, there are two schools of thought about what might have happened on 9/11. One was that Bush & Co. knew the attack was going to happen, and did nothing to stop it. The other theory is that it was completely an inside job.
I don’t know which theory is correct, but I know which ‘theory’ doesn’t pass the smell test: that Al Qaeda did it (with no help)! Why? Well, if you look at the evidence presented so far, there are too many loose ends, anomalies, and inconsistencies.
I’m not trying to change anyone’s mind, but I guarantee that if you take the time to research the available evidence (mainstream media sources), you will probably end up doubting the official story too.
April 24th, 2006 at 7:34 pmAll very interesting reading here,but the fact remains that we have a sociopathic administration preparing for war against Iran.They are also throwing around the idea of using nuclear bunker busters.Now i don’t know what you folks make of this but it is scaring the shit right out of me and 9\11 conspiracy theories can be talked about in the future if indeed we do have a future,right know it doesn’t look to promising.That said may i suggest you pull yourselves away from your computer and get a hold of your rep in congress or your senator and raise some hell with these incompetent,criminal enablers of THE CHIMP BOY and put a stop to this insanity so that we can have these debates in the present as well as in the future?
April 24th, 2006 at 7:35 pmActually Matthew the two are not dissimilar. Their is no evidence that 9/11 was an inside job and there is no evidence that Bush is in fact going to bomb Iran in the near future. The real sociopaths are the people who insist in their chicken little ramblings that they KNOW the President is going to attack. Included in the sociopath category are those who know that most likely the President will not attack but insist on perpetuating the myth because it is politically expeadient. Not unlike the author of the thread topic.
April 24th, 2006 at 7:57 pm“It’s not that liberals don’t know anything; it’s just that they know so many things that aren’t so.” – Ronald Reagan
April 24th, 2006 at 8:30 pmI’m not trying to change anyone’s mind, but I guarantee that if you take the time to research the available evidence (mainstream media sources), you will probably end up doubting the official story too.
Comment by Silas — April 24, 2006 @ 7:34 pm
You assume I haven’t. I have. I stand by my prior posts. The Inside Job Theory does not add up a lot less than the Official Theory.
April 24th, 2006 at 8:45 pmThat said may i suggest you pull yourselves away from your computer and get a hold of your rep in congress or your senator and raise some hell with these incompetent,criminal enablers of THE CHIMP BOY and put a stop to this insanity so that we can have these debates in the present as well as in the future?
Comment by MATTHEW — April 24, 2006 @ 7:35 pm
I do, regualrly, and only one ever responds – with form letters.
April 24th, 2006 at 8:47 pmThe transcripts from the firefighters & police claims that they heard explosions going off, the same testimony from employees in the building who also heard explosions going off in the building.
Could have been the exploding glass in the exterior skin with the extreme pressure forcing t out. Could have been the structure giving way – rivets popping loose. Could have been plausible things, but no one is even trying to consider them. This is what frustrates me. People are trying to force explanations to fit a theory instead of examining evidence and considering the most logical conclusions. This is not science, it is religion. And I do not have much tolerance for organized religion, because it demands blind faith and harrasses those who offer criticiam, no matter gow constructive.
I’m done for now Santo – your post was too difficult to read, and I have stuff to do before bed.
April 24th, 2006 at 9:07 pmBush is gonna get US nuked!
April 24th, 2006 at 11:10 pmWho would you rather have operate on you – a PhD in medicine or a medical doctor with 14 years of prior experience?
Comment by unbelievable
I’ve got to admit from personal experience that the worst dental care I ever had was from a woman with a Ph.D. in dentistry and some years of experience to boot. The work she did on one of my teeth had to be re-done by another female dentist of a similar age but without the Ph.D.
And to the person who posted something about the “Protocols of Zion,” this work was long ago debunked as a phony forgery.
April 25th, 2006 at 3:21 amBlow the crap out of them! They’re got weapons of mass destruction! Use US weapons of mass destruction to prevent the spread of weapons of mass destruction!
Tey plan to open and Oil Borse denominated in EUROS not the Almighty Dollar! This will spell DOOM for the USD! We must prevent the Iranians from using the worlds most powerful weapon of mass destruction, OIL!
Operation
April 25th, 2006 at 9:20 amIranian
Liberation!
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April 25th, 2006 at 12:30 pmAll of you need to look to the end, or should I say beginning. This has already played out once and is poised to do so again as prophesied. We have only 2 years left and can prove it (in eight different ways)….go to our website and find out the real truth. lordswitnesses.us or truebiblecode.com
Blessings,
April 25th, 2006 at 12:48 pmBill
If the American public allows Schultz to attack Iran, they have only themselves to blame for the unenviable, inevitable consequences
April 25th, 2006 at 1:03 pmtrying to understand bush via logic is a pointless exercise. bush does not employ logic, he has fervently stated to the entire world that (paraphrase) “he talks to God privately and he just knows things”…(apparently, downloading info like a modern day Moses) bush believes, he prays on it and then takes action, that’s it-he believes therefore it is so. In the Wizard of Oz Dorothy wakes up from her dream, we’ll have no such luck with bush.
April 25th, 2006 at 3:43 pmIran and the Islamic terrorists it supports and funds have declared war on America and Israel. Iran and its Islamic terrorist cohorts have expressed a desire and intent to destroy America and Israel. Iran’s Islamic terrorist proxies continously attack America’s ally Israel with the goal of bringing about a so-called Palistinian State which is no more valid than expecting New York City to be given back to the indians. In history such declarations and actions on the part of a state would have been enough to justify a military response. Yet the paralysis of political correctness and the lack of testicoli prevents American civilian and military leadership today from doing what Truman, Patton, MacArthur et al had the balls to do. Islam has been at war with non-Islam since its beginning. It is a stone-moon-god idol (named allah) worshipping death cult. There is no more a such thing as a “good” moslem then there was a such thing as a “good” nazi!! Only a naive simpleton would allow Iran to get nuclear weapons. They want to destroy us!! America can destroy Iran. America WILL destroy Iran. The question is, will it be BEFORE Iran by its proxies nukes New York, Chicago, or L.A.,……or AFTER?
April 26th, 2006 at 9:26 pmpatton,
by your logic, the first country we should attack is india, which has the largest muslim population of any country in the world (about 140 million). as you may know, india already has nuclear weapons, which, by your logic, are clearly a threat to the u.s. due to all of those muslims there.
are you prepared to go to war with india?
April 26th, 2006 at 9:49 pmRex,
During WWII there were Nazi sympathizers in the U.S.. Even today there are Americans who identify themselves as Nazis. According to your logic the U.S. should have attacked those people then and those today. Who attacked the American embassy and held Americans hostages for 444 days in 1979? India? Who was president then? Bush? Who attacked the USS Cole? India? who was president then? Bush? Who attacked the Colbart Towers? India? Who was president then? Bush? Who tried to blow up the World Trade center the first time in ‘93? India? And who was president then? Bush? The U.S. Marines were created to go after the Barbery Pirates in the war with Tripoli. Who was America fighting then? India? And who was president then? Bush? Should I go on with the history lesson? A nation cannot defeat an enemy its people are too naive or delusional to identify. When the U.S. takes out Iran, if India wants to jump in to defend Iran, then india will have to go also!!Thats the way it works throughout human history. A 20th century American hippy-dippy can’t-we-all-just-get-along anti-capitalist politically correct mentality is not going to change history or the human nature it chronicles. It is that mentality which gets Americans killed. Not Bush.
April 27th, 2006 at 5:46 amComment by Progressaurus Rex — April 26, 2006 @ 9:25 pm
Rex,
Listen carefully – I NEVER said that I support the ‘Official Explanation’. I don’t even know what it is. I’m just telling you my expert, professional opinion. And that of many others like me. That it is a combination of a plane crash, an ensuing fire and the devestating effect of the top portion of the building in a free fall upon itself that COULD plausibly bring down the towers. And since the most simple explanation is usually the most likely (Occum’s Razor), I don’t see a need to add superfluous conspiracy theories to the mix.
By trying to debate the ‘Official Story’ with me, you are attributing things to me that I never said or implied. I don’t get why you keep going back to the Official Story when I don’t.
To everyone else,
Stop putting words in my mouth, or twisting them everyone. It only make you look desperate. Or rather, more desperate.
April 27th, 2006 at 3:45 pmMy understading is W about bankrupted Texas before he left for bigger bankrupting waters, i.e., the USA. I understand the teacher retirement system in Texas was the best in the U.S., until W helped change the teacher investments to ENRON. Now it is sucking wind. Thank you, W! NOT! I also understand the first thing W did as president was to allow the increased pricing of power out west, to benefit Enron. Then he said he did not remember the CEO, whether he ever met him. If this is true, then it AGAIN shows W is the BIGGEST LIAR we ever had as president (not to mention ALL the other lies this president has made!). What we should be hearing about by our representatives in Congress is the dismantling of our OCCUPATION of Iraq, which I understand includes the building of 13 HUGE bases, one larger then Sacramento, CA, including the $600 Million CIA HQ, excuse me, EMBASSY. Let’s start YELLING about stopping the occupation of Irag, taking down all the occupation structures there!! If some other country were building airstrips and huge spy HQs in our country, do you think we would continue to fight them until they were gone? YES!!! Iraq is no different. We have no right to occupy Iraq. STOP the occupation of Iraq NOW! That is just as important as the troop question, whether and how many to pull back. Under W, occupation of Iraq is just the next step to wholescale, all-out WAR in the middle east. And who is going to help us? Few if any. Who is going to fund it? Us. What price is that going to extract? A great deal, sinking our country as we know it. What effect is that going to have on this country. It will never be the same again! Blessed are the PEACEMAKERS. That is true. It is also true, CURSED are the warmongers! Who is going to want to go into THAT war, except those drafted? The draft is coming back if W strikes Iran. Let that be known, talked about. The problem with our troop numbers for the volunteer army being way down, etc., is because we are not fighting a just war, and we are not fighting for an honorable president!! It is time we make our voices heard against W and his warmongers! They all need impeaching/firing! And I have been a Republican for 40+ years, but the party left me some 20+ years ago. I was a Goldwater Republican. Goldwater was honest. These are the biggest bunch of thieves and lias ever witnessed in history, a DISGRACE to our heritage, Constitution and country!
April 27th, 2006 at 4:49 pmIts easy to see what some of these posters are trying to do. They are trying to put all the blame with bush & the republicans, when the democrats are up to their eyeballs in this scam too.
Their objective is to see the republicans take all the blame & the democrats can regain control of the government. But they are all warmongers too at the top of this party. It will be more of the same as with the republicans.
And these people are not christians, they have none of the fruit which Jesus said you have to have to be His.
there are only a few choices left at this juncture.
1. Use your constitutional right to bear arms.
2. vote in 3rd parties.
3. Repent, turn from your wicked way, & Jesus said he would not only heal you, but he would heal your land.
April 29th, 2006 at 5:14 pmwho cares if iran gets nuclear bombs!! who doea america think it is? so what if iran and the moslems hate americans!! we americans desreve to be hated!! we kill cute helpless animals for food and clothing. everybody knows that animals are just as good as humans. some people love their pets more than people. americans don’t want to let other prople into the country. everybody who wants to come in should be allowed to come in without questions. thats why america is a free country. illegal aliens have constitutional rights like the rest of us!! america doesn’t help anybody else on the planet. america only hurts other people and other countries with its greedy capitalism. because america killed the peace-loving american indians and made slaves out of colored people and is destroying the environment of the entire planet america has no right to defend itself. america should just go away and let the world under the leadership of either france or iran develop into a peaceful one world socialist or islamic government where everybody gets along and everybody is equal and there will be no more poverty caused by american corporations like haliburton and enron. we all know who REALLY blew up the WTC…which makes my point.
April 30th, 2006 at 12:10 am