Breaking: Rove Meeting With Special Prosecutor About Leak Case
Breaking: Rove Meeting With Special Prosecutor About Leak Case
John King, CNN’s political correspondent, just reported:
CNN is told by three force sources familiar with the investigation that this morning Karl Rove, the president’s deputy chief of staff and top political adviser, is meeting with his attorney and is to meet this morning — if it is not already under way — with the special prosecutor, Patrick Fitzgerald. According to sources, the goal of the meeting is for Karl to clear up some lingering questions about his role in a White House campaign to undermine Ambassador Joe Wilson — remember he was the the critic of the Bush administration case ever going to war in Iraq, his wife the CIA operative Valerie Plame, whose name was Outed.
It’s a complicated legal investigation and it has become a complicated political problem for the White House. Our understanding, Karl Rove is meeting with his attorney this morning, meeting with the special prosecutor this morning and the hope from Rove’s camp is that he can answer the few remaining questions about his involvement, his back and forth with reporters, during that time frame, his comments to the FBI and other investigators including the grand jury that is investigating this for quite some time now. And the hope from the Rove camp, all can be resolved and Karl Rove cleared of wrongdoing in the relatively near future.
The AP is also reporting that Fitzgerald went before the the grand jury this morning.
UPDATE: More details from the National Review’s Byron York.
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Not a looking like a very good day for old Karl…
April 26th, 2006 at 11:09 amWhen Clinton’s staff was in trouble with the law he would pardon them. Just like when he gave John Podesta a “legal waiver” for his role in Chinagate.
Do you think Bush will give Rove a legal waiver?
April 26th, 2006 at 11:11 amWell, if nothing else, Tony Snow will have to hit the ground at a sprint.
April 26th, 2006 at 11:13 amFess up Karl, you have nothing to lose, that you haven’t lost already.
April 26th, 2006 at 11:13 amIs Rover About To Be Indicted?…
John King, CNN’s political correspondent just reported:
April 26th, 2006 at 11:14 amCNN is told by three force sources familiar with the investigation that this morning Karl Rove, the president’s deputy chief of staff and top political adviser, is meeting with his attorney an…
Wow! Fitzmas is coming early this year!
April 26th, 2006 at 11:15 am#2, ok I’ll bite, got any links?I cant find any with Google.
April 26th, 2006 at 11:17 amIt will be a happy day when the White House cabal is found guilty of treason and war crimes. We will show the world that it may take us a while but we can and will take down criminal leaders, and restore our reputation.
April 26th, 2006 at 11:18 amWhat are the odds that Fitzgerald is now holding an indictment and pressuring Rove to cop and plea and sing?
April 26th, 2006 at 11:19 amCNN is speculating and putting the Rove camp’s spin on this. They’re saying they’re hoping that Rove can “resolve” the “few remaining questions”. But since Libby’s indictment, there’s only been additional questions raised.
My gut feeling is they’re not “putting this case to bed”. My feeling is they’re talking turkey: What will Rove plead to?
Cheers,
April 26th, 2006 at 11:19 am#2:
When Clinton’s staff was in trouble with the law he would pardon them. Just like when he gave John Podesta a “legal waiver†for his role in Chinagate.
That’s a lie. If Clinton had pardoned anyone from his administration, you RW foamers would have been screaming for his head (so instead you went nutzo for the pardons he did give….)
Cheers,
April 26th, 2006 at 11:23 amif we could find a person like karl rove to use his genious for good instead of evil…what a wonderful world this would be…
April 26th, 2006 at 11:23 amOh come on. Fishgerald knows this investigation is one step away from being DOA. He needs to save face. He has gone way way beyond where he should have in his investigation, no laws were ever broken, He knows who the leaker is and can’t stand that Bush, Karl, Libby are clean and Fishgerald is about to wind up with egg on his face.
April 26th, 2006 at 11:24 amI hope that girl that beat him to a pulp when Karl was nine years old comes back and kicks his arse one more time.
How can you kick the sh*t out of a turd blossom?
April 26th, 2006 at 11:25 amArne, let’s give credit where credit is due. The story was posted at 11:05 and sugar mag was here with a lie and the ‘but, but, but…..Clinton!’ BS at 11:11. I’ll give him/her a 6.
April 26th, 2006 at 11:28 amChangeAmerica.net : The day Rove is indicted should become a national holiday. I wonder how many Republican sleazebags will want Rove’s help micro managing their campaigns. I can’t wait till Democratic candidate start asking their Republican opponents if Rove has been helping or guiding them…..
April 26th, 2006 at 11:28 amWalrus one, I will trade you every dime spent on The Fitz ivestigation for every dime spent on the White Water one. What prosecutions occured in White Water related to the intial charges, I forget?
April 26th, 2006 at 11:30 amThanks for the imput walrus. I’ve copied your insightful post, so that when Rove is indicted you can come back to TP and eat your words.
April 26th, 2006 at 11:31 amAmerica’s Queen may have to choose his favorite wall paper for his jail cell.
It’s about time reality catches up with the Bush Cabal!
April 26th, 2006 at 11:32 amFor all the latest news, documents, filings, timelines and other essential CIA Leak case materials, see:
April 26th, 2006 at 11:33 am“The PlameGate Document Center.”
Smells like a buyout. Everyone has a price. Hope I’m wrong.
April 26th, 2006 at 11:35 amI’ve been led down the “eager anticipation” road a few too many times now, but this sure is getting interesting. Bagging this arch-criminal will be a significant event in the restoration of democracy, and furthermore, legitimate elections in the future. It would be nice to see the Orwellian playbook flushed down the toilet. It’s a sickness that has infected the entire Country.
April 26th, 2006 at 11:36 am#22 - Smells like a buyout. Everyone has a price. Hope I’m wrong.
What if a Queen Rove “buy out” lead to the indicment and fall of the Head Chimp and the One With The Bad Heart?
April 26th, 2006 at 11:41 amRover’s not pleading to anything. C’mon, there’s no way this dirtbag is going to cop to his criminal activity and lying to the GJ and FBI. And there’s no way he’s going to throw Bush and Cheney under the bus because it would effectively undo his life’s work. Karl just doing a little dance for Fitzy because he simply cannot comprehend that not everybody can be manipulated and spun like those botoxed evening news anchors.
April 26th, 2006 at 11:41 am#25 - Good point.
April 26th, 2006 at 11:43 am[…] Karl Rove is set to testify one more time before the CIA federal grand jury, MSNBC, Think Progress and others report. […]
April 26th, 2006 at 11:46 amI am having a big piece of pie with lunch today.
April 26th, 2006 at 11:47 amFitzgerald must be slow-witted because Rove should have been indicted at the same time as Libby! Only reason he wasn’t seems to be some underhanded deal making?! A prosecuter should never meet with someone like Rove > just indict him or resign Mr. Fitzgerald?
April 26th, 2006 at 11:51 amIt’s jumpsuit time for Rover!!!!!
April 26th, 2006 at 11:52 am[…] Breaking: Rove Meeting With Special Prosecutor About Leak Case […]
April 26th, 2006 at 11:58 amIt’ll be interesting to see if Rove saves his own lard-laden hide or remains loyal to Idiot Son.
I also wonder if Bush has promised to pardon his pet pig when a trial looks imminent. After all, Rove may be called to testify under oath (something Idiot Son and his snarling puppetmaster have refused to do sofar) and then who knows what might be uncovered.
At least now we know why there’s been such a flurry of “news” from the White House. (Look! Over there! It’s Tony Snow! Condi goes to Iraq! Bush tries to give another speech!) They were hoping that the MSM wouldn’t notice this latest tidbit.
April 26th, 2006 at 12:00 pmCaesar! Beware the Frogs of March!
April 26th, 2006 at 12:00 pmHey S*t Magnolia. They investigated Clinton for 7 years. 7 years! For stuff that went on years before he became President.Setting a ridiculous and dangerous precedent for politics in this country. And in the so-called China-gate- a big fat zip. Can you imagine a 7 year investigation of the Commander In Chimp? Back to the days of drugs, DUIs, illegal insider trading, and who knows what else? And then during his Administration- lying us into a war and spying on American citizens in our own country? Can you imagine that investigation? It wouldn’t take 7 years. Seven weeks maybe.
April 26th, 2006 at 12:01 pmMSNBC’s Nora O’Donnell’s reporting that Rove was called back because of serious inconsistencies in his previous GJ testimony. (Translation: Fitz caught him lying under oath, and Fitz can prove it.)
I wonder how it must feel to be Karl Rove right now.
See, up to now, Karl’s spent his entire life wrapped in the protective cocoon that is available only to the scions of the powerful. He’s never had to pay any serious penalty for lying or breaking the law, because he’s always had somebody who will make the judges look the other way, or even keep charges from being pressed or witnesses from coming forward.
But now, now, NOW Karl’s boxed himself in. Fitz caught him lying under oath, and if Bush dares pardon his ass, the Democrats win super-majorities in both houses of Congress this fall.
For the first time in his life, Karl Rove’s run into something he can’t shrug off, scare off, laugh off or buy off.
So tell me, Karl, how does it feel?
How does it feel to know that, unless a miracle happens and you can sell out someone whose head Fitz wants more than he wants yours, you are going to prison?
Tell me, Karl — how does that feel?
C’mon, you can tell me.
April 26th, 2006 at 12:01 pmOh, it sure is a “complicated legal investigation” of TREASON, TREASON, TREASON. Watch the documentary “Bush’s Brain” and you will understand these events much better.
I wish that SOCIOPATH Rove would go down in flames.
April 26th, 2006 at 12:01 pmCuckoo-ka-chew! Who knew that ‘Obstruction of Justice’ isn’t against the law!?! Thanks for schooling us, Walrus!
April 26th, 2006 at 12:04 pm[…] [Think Progress] […]
April 26th, 2006 at 12:07 pmYou need to keep up with current events, pal. First off, there were no criminal charges ever filed in what you call “Chinagate.” There was no evidence ever shown by anyone, most particularly the Clinton-haters, of any criminal behavior whatsoever. Even if you read the virulent anti-Clinton haters’ description of what you apparently mean by “Chinagate,” they trowel on the ominous, dark hints of miscreance and criminality under the surface, but they have not one single fact to back up their insinuations.
Interestingly enough, when you Google “John Podesta” and “legal waiver,” you only get 5 non-repeat hits — 4 of these the same set of articles by WorldNetDaily nutbag Charles Smith, and one unrelated hit. So you’re trotting out a piece of stale conservative bullsh*t that even your own kind hasn’t been able to make stick.
Back under your rock, conservative troll boy. Your latest fax from the Rush Limbaugh Ankle-Grabbers Club is waiting for you.
April 26th, 2006 at 12:12 pm#29 Yeah, Fitzgerald is slow-witted. He doesn’t know what he’s doing. What a rookie.
Geez, if you’re going to second guess somebody, it’s best to know what you’re talking about first.
April 26th, 2006 at 12:14 pmwhat will the preznit do without his brain? Maybe the wizard will give him a new one.
April 26th, 2006 at 12:16 pmI will be very surprised if Karl Rove is actually indicted on any serious charge > he is guilty as SIN on everything, but the Bush Regime cuts secret deals on legal problems! Bush and Cheney are allowed to NOT testify under oath for example, which makes anything they say worthless in a court of law! The mere fact that Fitzgerald meets with Rove means a dirty underhanded deal is in the works, otherwise Patrick would just indict Karl and inform the press!
April 26th, 2006 at 12:24 pmPost 40 lol I do know what I am talking about, and Fitzgerald is acting like a rookie, because he has most likely been compromised in some way! He would NOT be the first prosecuter in the US to be paid off, or told to cool it, or threatened to back off! I want Rove indicted for all the crimes he has committed and NOT a wrist slap which is probably what he will get!
April 26th, 2006 at 12:29 pmI don’t hink Fitz is going to cut a deal on this one. He’s been slowly (too slowly for many of us) working his way up the food chain.
Darth Cheney is next on the hit parade and then King dumbya.
Will the chimpy king pardon everyone? You bet. just wait till the day after the Nov 06 elections. But that’s OK cause we’ll all be celebrating that day, knowing that an Impeachment Party is just about to happen come Jan 20, 07.
April 26th, 2006 at 12:33 pmHey Sugar Magnolia - aren’t you thinking about Reagan and all the criminals from his administration that he and george HW Bush pardoned for Iran-Contra?
April 26th, 2006 at 12:34 pmAnd didn’t Fitz just finish up on that case in Illinois? Who was the republican convicted there? The govenor…..dang, can’t remember. Now he can devote all of his time and energy to bringing down this scum!
April 26th, 2006 at 12:45 pmWhere’s I-RIGHT-I?
I’m anxious to hear how he’ll blow this latest development off.
I’m waiting….
>>>>crickets chirping
April 26th, 2006 at 12:54 pmKkkarl Rove will never spend one day in jail. The most time he will serve will be the booking process.
After that, at any and all political costs, Chimpy will pardon him and get him released immediately.
The swiftboaters at this time will take over and put down everyone connected with Fitzie, including the Fitz himself. The media blitz, with Snowball lead, halftruths, innining the pack, will be a hailstorm of lies innuendoes, allegations that are not true, and the Chimpy will be leading the parade.
No siree, KKK Karl will not spend a day in jail.
April 26th, 2006 at 12:58 pmJohn Podesta’s pardon for his involvement in Chinagate:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/ news/ article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=20496
Clinton’s war on your privacy
Excerpts…January 19, 1999
Since 1993, President Clinton has engaged in a secret effort to bug America. No president has worked harder to protect his personal privacy while attacking the privacy of Americans. The Clinton war against personal privacy includes invasions of medical, financial and digital privacy.
AT&T scientists were not the only civilians authorized to view the secrets of Clipper. The project also included the first lady. Mrs. Clinton wanted every American to carry a Clipper chip. Mrs. Clinton’s efforts to nationalize the medical industry included the Clipper chip in her health-care legislation.
According to information obtained by the Freedom of Information Act, each American citizen was to be issued a national ID/health care card with a Clipper chip installed inside. In fact, one medical health care card manufacturer complained that including the special chip was too expensive.
Admiral McConnell was the NSA Director under Clinton and Bush. Admiral McConnell is often thought of as the father of the “Clipper” chip. During an exclusive interview, the former NSA director made it very clear that the computer security point man for President Clinton was “John Podesta.”
According to secret White House e-mail sent by current CIA Director George Tenet, “John Podesta” — then deputy executive secretary to the President, was the top Clinton official on all policy matters concerning computers and encryption.
“We had a long meeting this morning in John Deutch’s office on encryption which included Admirals McConnel, Studeman, John Podesta and other luminaries,” wrote Tenet in December 1993.
Further evidence that John Podesta controlled computer policy is revealed in dozens of letters from top computer executives, all complaining about the Clipper project.
In the early 1990s, several U.S. computer CEOs formed a joint lobby organization called the CSPP or Computer Systems Policy Project. By 1994, Tony Podesta, the brother of John Podesta, ran the multi-million dollar corporate lobby effort through his firm, Podesta Associates, using his employee, Ken Kay, as the CSPP executive director.
For example, once inside the White House, the CSPP executives were given a detailed briefing by a State Department expert on supercomputers and nuclear weapons. Shortly after the meeting, CSPP member Silicon Graphics sold several super-computers to a Russian nuclear weapons lab under the pretenses of “civilian” uses. Silicon Graphics has never been prosecuted.
Other examples of Clinton export waivers for CSPP members are not hard to find. In 1995, AT&T supplied secure fiber-optic technology directly to the Chinese army in the Hua Mei project. In 1998, Digital sold supercomputers to the Chinese University at Xian without verification. The computers are now being used for chemical and biological warfare.
Nor is the Clinton cronyism hard to find. In response to a request for an interview, White House lawyers acknowledged that John Podesta did indeed have a conflict of interest problem with his brother Tony. According to White House counsel, in 1997, President Clinton solved the Podesta problem by signing a legal waiver absolving John Podesta from any conflict of interest.
The White House has to date refused to show the legal waiver obtained by John Podesta. Nor has it explained why John Podesta felt it necessary to obtain a waiver in 1997 for actions he took in 1994 and 1995. Of course, a government waiver for possible criminal actions in the past is not a waiver but a pardon.
April 26th, 2006 at 1:10 pmPost 47 > I-Right-I is not on here because he might be Karl Rove himself > lol. If he is Rove, he is busy cutting a deal with Fitzgerald?! I-R-I has the same mentality as Rove > call people names, smear them publicly, and lie profusely!
April 26th, 2006 at 1:16 pmsugarmagnolia; If you want to be taken seriously you might want to avoid linking to World Nut Daily. See post #39.
April 26th, 2006 at 1:21 pmHow is KKKarl going to stage some more phony “terra attacks” while he is tied up lying to Fitzgerald?
Beware of KKKarl and dumbya’s October suprise for us all.
April 26th, 2006 at 1:22 pm#49 right because a partisan right wing website is such a great place to find fair and balanced information.
Correct me if I am wrong but wasn’t it Bush and the republicans pushing the National ID card not too long ago?
April 26th, 2006 at 1:23 pmKKKarl did get one or two things on the news for the so called media to focus on:
Bank Robery/stand off
The FORMAL merging of FAUX Republican Network and the GOP - The great SNOW JOB.
April 26th, 2006 at 1:24 pmsugar mag - get your own blog. You are threadjacking & using the all too common President Clinton dodge.
PS- get a new screen name - you shouldn’t use a great Dead song as your screen name. it shows no respect for Jerry.
April 26th, 2006 at 1:24 pmI think Rove and I-wrong-I and bagdad bob are all one and the same.
April 26th, 2006 at 1:26 pmDumbya falls to 24% approval rating in Conneticut.
Woo Hooo, not everyone drinks kool-aid
April 26th, 2006 at 1:28 pm#2 - What members of Clinton’s administration were convicted of crimes and who did he pardon?
April 26th, 2006 at 1:29 pm# 49 - What’s your point?
Is it that pardoning criminals is bad and that you would be appalled if the president were to pardon Rove if convicted?
I agree - that would be a real shitty thing to do… good for you putting partisan politics behind you and standing up for what is right.
April 26th, 2006 at 1:33 pmSugar Magnolia makes a good point that a presidential pardon might thwart the investigation. I know of that happening in the past with Bush 41 pardoning Weinberger (indicted for perjury), McFarlane, Abrams et al. There was also Ford’s famous pardon of Nixon (resigned from office after the House Judiciary Committee adopted articles of impeachment for obstruction, abuse of power, and contempt of Congress). I’m not aware of Clinton having pardoned any of his staff though. Anyone know of any? I don’t know what a “legal waiver” is but I don’t think they can be given for perjury or obstruction.
April 26th, 2006 at 1:35 pmhttp://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/softwar.html
According to documents obtained from the Commerce Dept. a consortium of U.S. computer companies obtained classified briefings inside the White House. The computer companies, called the Computer Systems Policy Project (CSPP), were then represented by the brother of White House power broker John Podesta.
John’s brother, Tony Podesta, is the owner of Podesta Associates, a D.C. based lobby firm. Tony’s company represented a dozen major donors to Bill Clinton. Those donors met in a June, 1995 during a top secret session on super-computer and encryption export controls.
Of course, just by coincidence, in June 1995, White House employee John Podesta was also charged by Bill Clinton with making super-computer and encryption policy. According to Congressional investigators, John Podesta signed a legal statement in which he promised would not engage in any conflict of interest with his brother Tony Podesta in early 1993. In 1997, according to White House lawyers, John Podesta was absolved of any conflict with his brother by President Clinton. Normally a government waiver issued in 1997 for possible criminal actions in 1995 is called a “pardon”.
April 26th, 2006 at 1:36 pmsugar magnolia: I followed your linky- once again it’s from World Nut Daily (see top left hand corner).
April 26th, 2006 at 1:42 pmI was wondering weather Fitzy wanted Rover to testify or if Rover asked Fitzy if he could testify. ABC News provided me with an answer:
“The source said Rove, a powerful and controversial political strategist, was asked to testify by special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald, that he would appear voluntarily and that he had not been subpoenaed.”
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1892516
Hmmm- very interesting. I would say this seems to be NOT good news for Karl.
April 26th, 2006 at 1:46 pmI was wondering weather Fitzy wanted Rover to testify or if Rover asked Fitzy if he could testify. ABC News provided me with an answer:
“The source said Rove, a powerful and controversial political strategist, was asked to testify by special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald, that he would appear voluntarily and that he had not been subpoenaed.”
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1892516
Hmmm- very interesting. I would say this seems to be NOT good news for Karl.
April 26th, 2006 at 1:47 pmKindness:
A small point, I know, but “Sugar Magnolia” is a Bob Weir song… Not that I think that HE’D be crazy about it being used by a right-winger, either!
April 26th, 2006 at 1:47 pmNothing like a good cut-n-paste troll. Always so informative.
April 26th, 2006 at 1:50 pm#66 - could you tell me if you are a troll? I would not mind sharing a name but I would like to be sure that the person did not condone that which I oppose.
April 26th, 2006 at 1:55 pmHey #47… Your friend I-RIGHT-I is chatting is up about Tony Snow. Im sure he’ll be visiting soon…
April 26th, 2006 at 2:20 pm[…] More info from Think Progress, via Agitprop. […]
April 26th, 2006 at 2:21 pm#55 I was thinking “Jethro Tull” and Living in the Past. But what about TODAY dude?
April 26th, 2006 at 2:30 pmKKKarl, have you been lying?
April 26th, 2006 at 2:31 pmThe Architect is building a new
set of lies to cover up the lies
he lied about in the first place.
Karl, me boy, you learned all of
this in kindergarten…weren’t you
paying attention?
Everly lie you make means you
not only have to remember each
one, but you have to make a new
lie each time to cover up the other
lies.
Pretty simple stuff, Karl.
I don’t know why everyone thinks
you’re so smart when you flunked
kindergarten.
GO FITZIE!
DOn’t feed the trolls. Anyone who mentions Clinton is a troll.
April 26th, 2006 at 2:31 pmLawrence O’Donnell opines that since it was Fitz who asked Karl to return this means he doesn’t have enough to indict and will likely close the investigation with Rover getting off scot free. He doesn’t give any reasons for why he thinks this. I personally don’t see any rational reason why Fitz would convene the GJ and stir up controversy just so he could close the case. Other thoughts?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ lawrence-odonnell/ who-asked-rove-to-return_b_19858.html
April 26th, 2006 at 2:40 pmFirst they stonewalled to get past the 2004 election. Now they’re all stonewalling to get closer to 2008 so Bushie can pardon them all.
April 26th, 2006 at 2:50 pmMagnum - I cannot see why Fitz asking him to return means that there is not enough to indict. Perhaps the jury members want clarification on some issues prior to deciding. They could ask Fitz to call him back.
April 26th, 2006 at 2:50 pm© 1999 WorldNutDaily.com
Since 1993, President Clinton has engaged in a secret effort to bug America. No president has worked harder to protect his personal privacy while attacking the privacy of Americans. The Clinton war against personal privacy includes invasions of medical, financial and digital privacy.
According to a top secret document obtained from the National Security Council, the Clinton secret project to bug America started in late 1992.
So Sugar, I wonder why you omitted this part?
A “top secret document” just fell into their hands?
I expect you’ll be asking for a justice department investigation of that traitorous Charles Smith ANY SECOND now!
April 26th, 2006 at 2:51 pm#67 - Not a troll. Mostly a lurker. Nice name. :-)
April 26th, 2006 at 2:54 pmIt will be interesting to see how Bushco suicides its top men like Rove et al for the sake of the oligarchs.
April 26th, 2006 at 2:58 pm#67 - Not a troll. Mostly a lurker. Nice name. :-)
Comment by Jules — April 26, 2006 @ 2:54 pm
Yeah, I lurked for a while before I started posting. One day I just got so ticked off by the trolls I had to write something or explode. And well, really exploding isn’t a good option.
April 26th, 2006 at 2:59 pmJules- Yeah I’m really not getting O’Donnell’s logic on this one. Fitz knows damn well that anytime he shows up here in Washington the media goes nuts. He had to know how much going in front of the GJ was going to get them frothing. He doesn’t seem like the drama queen type who would stir this all up just so he could clear Karl- why not just have a presser and Rover’s in the clear? I so desperately hope that O’Donnell is worng on this.
April 26th, 2006 at 3:08 pmsugarmagnolia; If you want to be taken seriously you might want to avoid linking to World Nut Daily. See post #39.
And avoid believing anything that Charles “Softwar” Smith says. He’s full of bulls***.
Cheers,
April 26th, 2006 at 3:09 pmBush is one step closer to being named the Worst President Ever
April 26th, 2006 at 3:11 pmUPDATE: this little nugget had escaped my attention: Norah O’Donnell reports that Rover will issue a statement later today. That kind of gives me little butterflies in my stomach. Very strange- whaddaya think is going on there? Resigning maybe? I’m being too optimistic?
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/
April 26th, 2006 at 3:13 pmApril 26th, 2006 at 3:15 pm
Bush is on his way, with help from karl, to being the Worst President Ever
April 26th, 2006 at 3:16 pmkarl is not the smart one, he is fed by gov mitch daniels Indiana
April 26th, 2006 at 3:24 pmAs Atrios notes, Rove’s people (who have lied to the press repeatedly) are saying that Rove was asked back by Fitz, whereas David Shuster’s legal sources are saying that Rove himself asked Fitz to let him come back to testify a fifth time.
Why is this important?
Because if Fitz asked Rove, it likely means that Fitz needs more data before he can indict anyone — but if Rove ASKED Fitz to let him testify again, then it means that Fitz has Rove by the short hairs on both obstruction AND perjury, and Rove needs to do some fancy talking to avoid the orange jumpsuit.
The thing is that Rove’s boxed in. He can try the perjury route again and hope that Fitz can’t catch him at it before the elections in November, but that’s highly unlikely now that Fitz knows Rove’s pattern and practice. The only thing that can save him from prison is if he can provide Fitzgerald with people whose hides Fitz wants more than he wants Rove’s. There are only two people in the world who fit that bill: Bush and Cheney.
And I don’t think Cheney alone will be enough for Fitz now. He’ll want to take ‘em both out.
And if Bush tries to short-circuit this with pardons, the Democrats control Congress with veto-proof majorities by this time next year. Which means that the subpoenas will start flying from the House Judiciary Committee, which will be chaired by John Conyers.
Which just might be enough to save this country.
April 26th, 2006 at 3:38 pmRove is going down down down. BIG time. Fitz is no media bunny.
This is a dead serious investigation, and he won’t stop until he gets the big fish.
Fitz is everything the world wishes America to be. Honourable, decent, public spirited.
The Furies are out for BushCo and PlameGate is just one of the major scandals that will take this admin down in the coming weeks and months.
April 26th, 2006 at 3:42 pmPhoenix Woman- I think Atrios has got that wrong. I don’t think the ABC and NBC are really reporting anything different. Fitzgerald asked Rove to testify and Rove did so “voluntarily” without forcing Fitz to issue a subpeona.
April 26th, 2006 at 3:49 pm#87 - … Which just might be enough to save this country.
You just gave me hope. Thank you.
April 26th, 2006 at 3:49 pmIf it makes you feel any better, O’Donnell also said unequivocally that Arnold Schwartenegger would never win the election for governor of California. Ooops.
April 26th, 2006 at 4:13 pm#42: I’m not a lawyer but if you were going to indict someone and hope not to waste US taxpayer’s money, you’d want to know how that person is going to fight the charges. Simple logic. Be patient, the Fitz is on the move!
April 26th, 2006 at 4:21 pmPaul In Mexico: I understand how you feel. That’s the way things happen in Mexico. However, isn’t it about time that things change? How about voting for Lopez Obrador? That should go a long way into changing the status quo. Don’t be a coward, do it!
April 26th, 2006 at 4:41 pmapparently there is a movement underway to impeach:
http://www.opednews.com/ articles/ opedne_steven_l_060422_bush_impeachment___t.htm
April 26th, 2006 at 5:21 pmhttp://www.opednews.com/ articles/ genera_david_sw_060424_california_becomes_s.htm
Funny, you progolodytes seem much more interested in the possibility of charges against Karl Rove than you are in the actual charges against Mary McCarthy and Bob Mollohan. Gee, I wonder why?
Hypocrites, all of you. No decency, no principles, no shame. Bush lied, people died, blah, blah, blah. There isn’t one thing positive you have contributed to the nation.
April 26th, 2006 at 5:33 pm#95 BSR,
I haven’t been able to check the news much today but the last time I did check, Mary McCarthy was just fired. She wasn’t charged with anything. And she says that she was not the one who leaked the existence of the illegal CIA torture prisons to the media. Was she actually charged with a crime today?
By the way, which is worse to you? A government that does illegal and immoral things? Or exposing a government that does illegal and immoral things?
April 26th, 2006 at 6:00 pmThere isn’t one thing positive you have contributed to the nation.
Comment by Blue State Red
Let’s see, we’ve given you cleaner air, cleaner water, the right to unionize, overtime for regular workers to name just a few things. And for what can we thank conservatives? They opposed every one of those things with all their might.
April 26th, 2006 at 6:04 pmBSR, just what positive things has this administration and its followers contributed to the nation over the last 6 years?
April 26th, 2006 at 6:08 pmwow, bsr…
do you have your own special brew of kool-aid or what? i’ve got a suggestion: let’s just pretend for a while that up is up, down is down, black is black, white is white, etc.
if mary mccarthy is indicted she will go to trial and the facts will bear themselves out. last i checked we still hold to the old ‘innocent until proven guilty’ standard. i do, however, find it odd (and very convenient) that an officer of the cia — who has committed the utterly damnable offense of making donations to democratic candidates — is fired ten days before she is due to retire. this is not only strange, it also fits a pattern of behavior for this administration.
so you tell me, bsr- if she’s so guilty, why wasn’t she immediately indicted? wouldn’t this be a failure of the administration’s own justice dept? my guess is that we’ll never see charges against mary mccarthy, because she’s just a convenient sacrificial lamb for the administration to draw attention away from their own scandals. this is merely a warning shot across the bow of the cia — a political machination — and nothing more.
i also take it you’re completely fine with the u.s. running secret prisons and committing acts of torture. how do you feel about senator pat roberts revealing classified information in 2003 that we had spies close to saddam? what about the widely-reported leak (friendly to the administration) that we are monitoring mosques and other islamic sites in america for radiation? doesn’t that give aid and comfort to our enemies?
look, i know things are rough for you now, being one of the lonely 32% that still support the administration. it must be weird for you, huh? i mean, all those people saying that the only people left supporting the president are loonies, idiots, hypocrites and blind partisan hacks. but of course you’re none of those things.
of course not.
April 26th, 2006 at 7:57 pmPictures can be as telling as words and articles. Am I the only one who noticed that Karl seems to have lost some weight in the most recent photos?
April 26th, 2006 at 8:55 pmComment by Progressaurus Rex — April 26, 2006 @ 9:20 pm
If you’re gonna debate me, at least get my argument straight, and the facts. You haven’t.
You all keep saying that the building fell due to fire. You’re forgetting a plane crash and the fact that the top portion of the building had been severed and came crashing down upon a building that had just sustained a plane crash and a fire that had weakened the interior steel structure. Like a pile driver. That wasn’t ‘just a fire’. And no building was or is designed to withstand those kinds of stresses simultaneously. 6 years of college and 14 years of practical experience in building design qualify me ot know more on the subject than layman theorists and fiction writers with PhDs and no real time in the field. And I personally don’t know anyone still in the profession who doesn’t share my view on this subject.
Gaps in the Official Report do not automatically make this an Inside Job. That’s fallacious logic.
I believe that the Bush Administration failed to respond to serious threats against our nation, and are responsible in the way that an accomplice is guilty for the crimes he or she allowed to happen. Nothing more has been validated or substantiated with logical evidence. And until it is, it’s just another wacky conspiracy theory that extremists use to make themselves feel validated.
April 26th, 2006 at 9:38 pmunbelievable - can’t believe you guys are still on that…
April 26th, 2006 at 9:50 pmit’s OK if you don’t have the last word - i learned that when i took a parenting course - would think you knew that one as a teacher… it works!
but i did get your argument straight. as i said, airplanes only hit 2 of the 3 buildings that collapsed that day. the third collapsed from fire alone. this, as i also said, has never happened before in history.
there is also something to be said about ‘the path of least resistance’. can you explain why a building falling down on itself wouldn’t eventually fall outward (and not directly into its footprint) due to all of the steel and concrete in its way?
and you didn’t answer my question: have you seen ‘loose change 9/11′?
if not, will you, in the interest of being open-minded, agree to watch it?
incidentally, i must assure you that i am definitely NOT religious (i know you’re not accusing me of that but i just wanted to make that clear).
listen, i know santo has wound you up a bit. i’m not trying to do that, but i would like to know if you will at least consider listening to this other viewpoint — which is becoming more accepted every day.
April 26th, 2006 at 10:01 pmit’s OK if you don’t have the last word - i learned that when i took a parenting course - would think you knew that one as a teacher… it works!
Comment by katy — April 26, 2006 @ 9:50 pm
Why are you always lecturing me? My own mother still does that just fine after all these years. She certainly doesn’t need any help.
I thought I was clear. He’s a bully, and I don’t back down from bullies. Crabby 15 year olds, fine, but not bullies. I would have thought people would have learned that lesson from Bush by now.
April 26th, 2006 at 10:01 pmComment by Progressaurus Rex — April 26, 2006 @ 10:01 pm
But, no offense, you didn’t get my story straight. I said I didn’t know enough about 7 to comment on it. At least I’m the only one willing to say that ‘I don’t know’. He knows everything in spite of knowing nothing.
I’ve seen enough of the conspiracy stories and videos. They are, in my opinion, either inconclusive or a serious stretch. It’s like Intelligent Design. Because there are questions about evolution, they insist that ID is the only plausible alternative. Or the Fake Lunar Landing crowd. People who see what they want to see to fill a void. I do understand it, but so far, those who follow this fallacious logic have been incredibly hostile to me when I point out that the twin towers plausibly fell due to three extreme stresses at the same time. It didn’t require anything else like explosives or even weirder notions.
Building design is a very complicated subject that most people do not have enough of a working knowledge to be able to dissect the hypotheses of those who use it to sound official.
I was refering to Santo as being religious (I used his quote in my response), because he is very religious about this. Like I’m telling him Jesus wasn’t real or something that sets those people off into a violent tirade as he has done. RemoveBush was no different. And even with another architect who agrees with me, the two of us were ‘just crazy’ despite our joint experience and logical explanations.
33% of the world is Christian. It gained a following more every day once upon a time as well. I thnk in third world countries where missionaries are trading food for souls, it still is. Doesn’t mean it’s right.
April 26th, 2006 at 10:15 pmthere is also something to be said about ‘the path of least resistance’. can you explain why a building falling down on itself wouldn’t eventually fall outward (and not directly into its footprint) due to all of the steel and concrete in its way?
Comment by Progressaurus Rex — April 26, 2006 @ 10:01 pm
Yes I can (although it didn’t do exactly what you described), but tomorrow. I need to go to bed. 6:00 am comes earlier on the east coast :).
April 26th, 2006 at 10:19 pmwell, i’m not here to tell you that you’re “just crazy”. i’m also no extremist. but there are many people that disagree with your professional opinion, and some of them are physicists and engineers. and yes, i’ve read what you’ve had to say about these people. but isn’t that you, in turn, saying that they’re “just crazy”?
isn’t it a shame that no definitive research and analysis of these significant events was allowed to happen because all of the evidence was removed from the crime scene?
i guess what i’m saying is that i agree you could be right; but isn’t it curious that there are so many unanswered questions from that day — some that could still be very easily answered (but won’t be due to information that is being withheld from the public), and some that will never be answered (due to the willful destruction of evidence)?
i, unlike santo, am attempting to have a reasonable debate with you.
April 26th, 2006 at 10:41 pmand still, you should watch loose change. if for no other reason than to be able to prove yourself right. but i would think, from a scientific point-of-view, that unless you have absolute proof that something is true (or not true), you should consider every possibility.
my, my, unbleiveable … a bit touchy there … “lecturing”???
April 26th, 2006 at 10:51 pmthat was advice, dear, and good advice at that…
must be the mother in me - you a mother yet?
ah well… no offense meant…
katy,
don’t take it personally, i think unbelievable was feeling a bit brow-beaten by ol’ santo.
santo: ease off a bit if you want people to listen. some americans just aren’t ready to accept they’ve been manipulated in such a heinous way. seriously, you’re sounding like a whacko conspiracy nut, which doesn’t exactly help get the truth out.
this is a contentious issue that’s not gonna be easy for many to believe. i say don’t point them to the answers (as you or they see them), point them to the unanswers that still plainly exist, and for no reason. for even the most analytical minds, nothing is absolutely true unless there is irrefutable proof.
people can claim the “official story” of 9/11 is the truth, but it’s by far irrefutable. there are too many questions unanswered. for those that would discount the possibility of a controlled demolition, have them explain to you exactly how it is absolutely not a possibility that those buildings could’ve been brought down that way.
getting them to be unable to rule out such a possibility is the first step.
April 26th, 2006 at 11:56 pmREPUGnicans don’t understand that the Good Lord gave them two ears but only one mouth for a reason…. You are supposed to do twice the listening and only half the talking.
April 26th, 2006 at 11:58 pmAccording to a top secret document obtained from the National Security Council, the Clinton secret project to bug America started in late 1992.
So Sugar, I wonder why you omitted this part?
A “top secret document†just fell into their hands?
I expect you’ll be asking for a justice department investigation of that traitorous Charles Smith ANY SECOND now!
Comment by barfly
Barfly and others,
April 27th, 2006 at 12:25 amLet’s also note that “in late 1992,” Clinton wasn’t even president yet. Using the 1992 date to blame something on Clinton, such as the poor handling of Hurricane Andrew (actually by George HW Bush), seems to be a favorite trick of the reichwing and their kool-aid drinkers.
santo:
your educational methods are ineffective, to say the least. people want to be reasoned with, not screamed at.
the screaming is what makes people think you’re a whacko conspiracy nut. ease off. there are better ways to get your point across.
April 27th, 2006 at 12:50 amNormally a government waiver issued in 1997 for possible criminal actions in 1995 is called a “pardonâ€.
Comment by sugar magnolia — April 26, 2006 @ 1:36 pm
Yo stupid a waiver is NOT a pardon…when i got my commision in the US Army I got an age waiver because I had passed my 30th birthday before I was commissioned an Officer, but had NO reason to be pardoned, because even being under investigation for any sort of crime disqualifies you for a commission. The waiver probably allowed Mr Podesta to also talk and include his brother in the work he was doing for the president where the law would not allow it….because the president wanted it that way….unlike the pardons that Libby will need for lying to a Grand Jury, Rove might need the same…delay for his crimes, Saravin for his upcoming conviction, Abrarmoff for his crimes, Scanlan for his crimes, and the opening of the flood gates after november after the repugs get their collective asses handed to them and lose control over all the handles of power in DC……..I for one will enjoy the NUMEROUS perp walks……might we see you in one?
April 27th, 2006 at 1:40 amA waiver is issued BEFORE the fact a pardon after got it numb nuts?
April 27th, 2006 at 1:45 am‘Clif’, who are you? Really.
April 27th, 2006 at 3:28 amGURU Exactally what are you asking? I was responding to a troll too stupid to see that Rove being investigated for possibly aiding in the outing of a CIA operative who was working on the nuclear poliferation in the middle east the very problem that some believe might cause the US and Iran go to war and could cause us to try and use a “tactical” nuke to destroy a hardened site in Iran and see them sinking supertankers to disrupt the flow of oil out of the persion gulf to punish the west for the attack…that PALES in comparison to the ancient minor slight that the silly troll brings up about one of Bill Clintons aids in his administration that is 10 years old.
I am exactly what I post. a former military officer who can see throught the BULL put out by this out of control Administration, and after my older daughter was deployed I quit being silent…happily she came home last fall and is OK but other peoples children had to take her place so I will not be silent any more.
April 27th, 2006 at 3:49 amfrom a scientific point-of-view, that unless you have absolute proof that something is true (or not true), you should consider every possibility.
Comment by Progressaurus Rex — April 26, 2006 @ 10:41 pm
And I could say exactly the same thing in return. No one knows. I just have the perspective of experience on building design that many others don’t or don’t understand. And from that perspective, I don’t see a conspiracy. Just neglegence. Huge differemce.
April 27th, 2006 at 6:36 amdon’t take it personally, i think unbelievable was feeling a bit brow-beaten by ol’ santo.
Comment by Progressaurus Rex — April 26, 2006 @ 11:56 pm
It has nothing to do with Santo. He’s a nut. She should take it personally. She’s been lecturing me for weeks. I am a grown woman with a difference perspective. Doesn’t make me wrong and her right, just different. And she’s the only one doing it. I don’t like it and want her to stop. Hence the terse retort this time, as my prior even-tempered ones have had no impact. I think she hears me now.
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April 27th, 2006 at 8:24 amUnbelievable,
I just wanted to say this about Progressaurus Rex’s pleas about the 9-11 stuff. I read what you said about conspiracy theories and such and I respect that view. All we’re saying is this: If you begin with the premise that neither the President nor the Vice President had any foreknowledge whatsoever about anything that was going to happen that day (even the general idea that we would be attacked), then many of their actions and inactions don’t make any sense and they raise a lot of questions. If, however, you remove that premise and allow even just the possibility that they knew that some kind of attack on us was going to happen that day (even if they didn;t know any specifics), then a lot of the inconsistencies begin to make sense. And there are a great many areas where the “official” account of things just plain contradicts what really happened. And even if you’re willing to dismiss all of that, ask yourself this: Why did the President and Vice President fight so hard to stop anyone from investigating what happened that day? And when they were finally cornered and had to give their accounts, why did they refuse to testify under oath or even separately? It doesn’t make sense.
April 27th, 2006 at 8:47 amComment by Wayne A. Schneider — April 27, 2006 @ 8:47 am
Wayne, I’ve not suggested half of the things I’m being accused of suggesting. I’m very disappointed in some people who care more about being right than free speech.
I’m done discussing this issue with anyone. Let them get their posts deleted and eventually banned. And I’m done discussing any issue with others. Without respect, I’m simply not interested in the conversation.
April 27th, 2006 at 10:14 am#139 unbelievable:SANTO is a she.She posts under multiple names to reinforce her arguments under other names;maybe other reasons too.Real nutberger stuff.Other names may include:katy,Evil Spaniard,agua fiero,Clif,bananaramble,cool-Rock-j,Stupid Republican and others that I suspect.This is sick stuff.
April 27th, 2006 at 11:53 amGURU,
I think better to just avoid that one. :)
April 27th, 2006 at 12:23 pmwell…unbelievable…i’m just not sure what to say…can’t apologize, as i’ know i’ve done no wrong…but i feel bad that YOU feel i’ve been lecturing you - some thin skin you have…
ah well… just know that any “advice” i’ve offered - tho i can’t recall any before this - was only meant with the best of intentions …
and guru - not at all sure what YOUR thing is, but i sign posts as katy and that’s who i am…
good to see you’ve found some words of your own tho…
April 27th, 2006 at 1:58 pmcan’t apologize, as i’ know i’ve done no wrong…but i feel bad that YOU feel i’ve been lecturing you - some thin skin you have…
Comment by katy — April 27, 2006 @ 1:58 pm
It’s that patronizing tone right there that I detest. Like you have some right to talk down to me. And that I am ungrateful for not appreciating it, so then you can insult me or point out my flaws. Can’t stand that. In fact, so much so, that I’d just rather you keep your thoughts about what I have to say to yourself. I don’t want your advice when it comes delivered in this manner. After all, I think that was some of your recent unsolicited ‘advice’.
April 27th, 2006 at 2:11 pmw o w… good luck with that…
oops…there i go again… sheesh…
April 27th, 2006 at 2:25 pmA waiver is issued BEFORE the fact a pardon after got it numb nuts?
Comment by Clif — April 27, 2006
The legal waiver (aka pardon) was given to John Podesta AFTER he committed the crime. Dumbass.
April 27th, 2006 at 3:10 pmoops…there i go again… sheesh…
Comment by katy — April 27, 2006 @ 2:25 pm
Exactly.
April 27th, 2006 at 4:04 pmunbelievable:
i think we both can agree that the jury’s still out then? i, for one, am not trying to argue that what i say HAS to be right — far from it. all i’m saying is that what we’ve been told about the event rests on some pretty shaky premises, and from a scientific point of view unless you (or i) can absolutely rule something out, then you (or i) shouldn’t rule it out.
but i agree, this subject has now been talked in circles. sorry if it seemed at any point that what i had to say was lacking respect; that was certainly not my intent.
April 27th, 2006 at 9:25 pmsugar magnolia:
you have yet to address barfly and lora’s comments- namely, how come you left this out of your credibly-sourced rant?
“According to a top secret document obtained from the National Security Council, the Clinton secret project to bug America started in late 1992.”
and can you speak for the erroneous suggestion there that clinton, who wasn’t even in office in 1992, would’ve had the authority to start any secret projects? doesn’t that blaring error speak volumes as to the illegitimacy of the source? you can at least agree that worldnetdaily is a decidedly partisan source, and therefore not necessarily reliable?
or are you a blind partisan hack?
April 27th, 2006 at 9:46 pm”Katy lies
You can see it in her eyes.”
”She is lovely,yes she’s sly”….
April 27th, 2006 at 9:49 pmA waiver is issued BEFORE the fact a pardon after got it numb nuts?
Comment by Clif — April 27, 2006
The legal waiver (aka pardon) was given to John Podesta AFTER he committed the crime. Dumbass.
Comment by sugar magnolia — April 27, 2006 @ 3:10 pm
No idiot a legal waiver is a BEFORE the fact item if it is after it is a pardon…a waiver waves the law or regulation a pardon forgives the breach of law or regulation, you may not pull your head out of your ass it helps in breathing that is required to get oxygen to the brain that helps in fueling the cells required in thought
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