Senate Votes To Cut Funding For Troops In Iraq and Afghanistan
Senate Votes To Cut Funding For Troops In Iraq and Afghanistan
On the Senate floor earlier today, 59 senators (52 Republicans, 7 Democrats) voted for an amendment proposed by Sen. Judd Gregg (R-NH) that effectively cut $1.9 billion from funds for troops fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan (see the text of the amendment here). Despite the fact that the Senate’s $106.5 supplemental spending measure is full of bloated earmarks that could be trimmed, the Gregg amendment to the Iraq supplemental specifically diverted $1.9 billion from defense appropriations for domestic border security. Congressional Quarterly provides the details:
The amendment would apply an across-the-board cut to the $69 billion included in the bill for the military. Of that amount, $67.6 billion was requested for military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan and $1.4 billion was designated to repair hurricane damage done to military infrastructure along the Gulf Coast.
Gregg aggressively defended his measure, stating that anyone who alleges “that these funds are going to come out of the needs of the people on the front lines in Iraq or Afghanistan is pure poppycock.” But in fact, that’s exactly what Gregg did, according to both Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) and President Bush. Here’s Bush:
These funds support U.S. Armed Forces and Coalition partners as we advance democracy, fight the terrorists and insurgents, and train and equip Iraqi security forces so that they can defend their sovereignty and freedom.
Clinton agreed, saying the Gregg amendment would “take money from troop pay, body armor and even [the] joint improvised explosive device defeat fund.” She called it “a false, cheap choice to score political points.”
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War criminals do not deserve to be paid.
April 26th, 2006 at 2:55 pmI like the fact that everyone uses “billion dollars” so casually in Washington. It’s a crazy amount of money.
April 26th, 2006 at 2:57 pmSo they cut about 2 billion in pork from the funds to be used to continue warfare in Iraq and Afghanistan > lol. How about cutting off all the funds and bringing our troops home alive ASAP?! You worthless bunch of f–king lousy senators > the whole bunch of you are scum!
April 26th, 2006 at 2:58 pm#1 So you think John Kerry should stop getting paid by the US Gov’t?
April 26th, 2006 at 2:58 pmWar criminals do not deserve to be paid.
Comment by Anon — April 26, 2006 @ 2:55 pm
Looks like IRI is “salting the mine” with a little troop-hatin’ blather. I predict he will show up within the next ten posts.
April 26th, 2006 at 2:59 pm“pure poppycock.†…someone was watching boston legal last night …
remember, ben, when carl sagen would refer to the “billions and billions” of stars in the sky? …
April 26th, 2006 at 3:04 pmi do … i miss those days…
Post 4 fine with me to cut off Sen. Kerry’s salary > he is a ultra millionaire anyways so he should work for free! Cut the salaries for the other 99 senators too > worthless all of them! I am a progressive Democrat, but even Dem senators make my skin crawl > they all work for themselves and the wealthy elite who bribe them! Shame on all of them!!!
April 26th, 2006 at 3:05 pm3.
How about cutting off all the funds and bringing our troops home alive ASAP?!
I may not agree with us going there but now that we are there we have a responsibility to clean it up. There are many examples of how they are worse off now etc. How can we walk in there tear the place down and then walk back out saying, “let us know how this works for ya”
You worthless bunch of f–king lousy senators > the whole bunch of you are scum!
Here here!! I still say they should make the average wage in their state.
Another reason to ditch pork
April 26th, 2006 at 3:08 pmOMG Tundra – I have been saying that for years.
April 26th, 2006 at 3:10 pm#8 Tundra
Here here!! I still say they should make the average wage in their state.
You get what you pay for. With how bad the current group is, imagine the group that would be there on 1/5th the salary. And suddenly bribes would look even better, so you would get even more incompetance, and higher levels of bribes.
April 26th, 2006 at 3:13 pmWait a sec…the military bill totaled 106.5 billion…..the funding for the troops and Katrina relief is 69 billion….that means that 37.5 billion was pork? Good god…over a third of the bill for military funding was pork! The men and women in D.C. are thieves and miscreants.
April 26th, 2006 at 3:14 pmPost 8 > best to pull the troops out > a few billion can be given out each year to fix the mess that was made in Iraq!
My feeling is that Federal Representatives and Senators should be paid the medium wage that Americans get paid > meaning the amount that signifies 50% making less than and 50% making more than that amount! Present medium is about $30, 000! Congressional pay is way out of line > $170,000+ per year is too much > reason why they do not represent average Americans! Makes them greedy for more cash!
April 26th, 2006 at 3:16 pmThe men and women in D.C. are thieves and miscreants.
Comment by dlet — April 26, 2006 @ 3:14 pm
your just now realizing this??
April 26th, 2006 at 3:17 pm#11 – duh…no disrespect, but these if these people were actually held liable for the budget overruns perhaps we would have people in Washington who would be more careful with our money.
Althpugh a bridge to nowhere does sound pretty cool!!!
April 26th, 2006 at 3:17 pm[...] Senate Votes To Cut Funding For Troops In Iraq and Afghanistan [...]
April 26th, 2006 at 3:19 pmYeah war is over… Bring the troops home.
April 26th, 2006 at 3:19 pm#13
April 26th, 2006 at 3:21 pmNah, just making the obvious more obvious. I’ve known it way too long. Call it feigning surprise. I’ve been practicing.
#14
April 26th, 2006 at 3:23 pmJules
I would be happy to fund a short bridge to nowhere if we could send this administration and most Senators on a long walk down it.
Maybe we should have the lawmaker pay out of their own salaries for everyone budget over run. That way we could finish off some of this debt.
April 26th, 2006 at 3:24 pm18
I would be happy to fund a short bridge to nowhere if we could send this administration and most Senators on a long walk down it.
It would still have to have one hell of a view! :)
April 26th, 2006 at 3:25 pmSo, adding this amount to what the previous amount spent on the “war in Iraqi terra”, that brings to total to just shy of $500 billion, right? (Or am I missing/adding numbers?)
I remember the current administration quesstimating the total cost of the Iraq war to be $60 billion. They’ve underestimated by 900% so far!
April 26th, 2006 at 3:31 pmYou get what you pay for. With how bad the current group is, imagine the group that would be there on 1/5th the salary.
Yeah imagine *stares off into space**
You could have open books or many other ways to track them, they are elected officials, at that point they volunteer to have their finances. While we are at it the lobbiests would be gone as far as I am concerned. I would turn that whole place into a glass house :)
But then again that’s why I’m not supreme ruler (Still working on that plan :)
April 26th, 2006 at 3:31 pmI may not agree with us going there but now that we are there we have a responsibility to clean it up. There are many examples of how they are worse off now etc. How can we walk in there tear the place down and then walk back out saying, “let us know how this works for yaâ€
You worthless bunch of f–king lousy senators > the whole bunch of you are scum!
Here here!! I still say they should make the average wage in their state.
Another reason to ditch pork
Comment by Tundra
Easy.
We blame it on Bush/Chenney/Taliban Republicans and then throw them in jail and maybe give the Iraqis some restitution money and let them have their homes back…
April 26th, 2006 at 3:34 pmIt is their country…they got arab brothers all around them…. if they cant rebuild their own country with all that oil then screw em.
The common answer so far is throw money at Iraq but don’t actually do anything.
My opinion (Just mine here) is that’s like some guy down the street coming over burning down your garage, driving a car through your front room, taking a sledge hammer to your driveway, bending the pipes on the kids swingset, infesting it with rats all under the guise of helping you to make it all better. Then patching a couple holes and saying “Wellll, I’m going to give you some money over the next couple of years to get that all sorted out” Hope you can do something about that rat problem you have.
April 26th, 2006 at 3:42 pmImagine if an administration asked for 500 billion dollars to invest in the research, development and infrastructure of alternative energy. Which would help get us out of this oily mess not further into it. But powerful men and Chimps like to play world conquerer and have wargasms all over the Middle East.
April 26th, 2006 at 3:44 pmYou get what you pay for. With how bad the current group is, imagine the group that would be there on 1/5th the salary. And suddenly bribes would look even better, so you would get even more incompetance, and higher levels of bribes.
Comment by squegeeboo — April 26, 2006 @ 3:13 pm
You can’t use your work ethic as a rule of measure ; ).
They get at least $165,200 per yera each and only work Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday. I know many people who would work for 1/5th of their salary M-F and do a hell of a better job.
When you get older, you’ll realize that a paycheck job without a purpose is one version of Hell. Not everyone cares about themoney. I could introduce you to half a dozen teachers around here who would disprove your money buys quality theory. I think you already know Jules.
April 26th, 2006 at 3:44 pmJohn Kerry didn’t even vote on this amendment — he’s such a weasel
April 26th, 2006 at 3:45 pmLOL money buys something anyway, just ask Exxon.
April 26th, 2006 at 3:46 pmI could introduce you to half a dozen teachers around here who would disprove your money buys quality theory. I think you already know Jules.
And I know a few teachers who have left one district for others that have higher pay.
I may be wrong, but haven’t you actually griped about your pay as being one of the reasons why your looking outside your current state for a different teaching job?
April 26th, 2006 at 3:48 pmWe need new representatives who represent We The People and not Corporate interests.
I’m planning to vote for as many lucid Independents as I have available. The Demos and Repugs are two sides of the same corrupt coin. No wonder tehir approval rating is in the teens.
April 26th, 2006 at 3:48 pmYes – choke tis bastard of tight, finally, and kill it off. Send no money to this mis-adventure is what’s needed.
April 26th, 2006 at 3:48 pmPost 24 > Bush messed up on Iraq, so he can pay out every dollar his entire family has hidden away in Swiss bank accounts! As Colin Powell said to Bush > “You break it, you own it.”! Our troops serve NO function to remain in Iraq > sooner we leave the sooner Iraqis can get the rats out too! The Oil Cartels drool for the Black Gold Crude, so they can hire a mercenary army, using their swindled profits to try to hold on to the Oil fields!
April 26th, 2006 at 3:49 pmCall it feigning surprise. I’ve been practicing.
Comment by dlet — April 26, 2006 @ 3:21 pm
I want to learn how to feign. I am not a good liar, nor do I want to be, so I think feigning would be a very good talent to have indeed!
April 26th, 2006 at 3:51 pmAnd I know a few teachers who have left one district for others that have higher pay.
A few does not catagorize all. Besides, they are still teaching. They didn’t all give it up to become highly paid attorneys and CEOs, after all,
I may be wrong, but haven’t you actually griped about your pay as being one of the reasons why your looking outside your current state for a different teaching job?
Comment by squegeeboo — April 26, 2006 @ 3:48 pm
There’s no ‘may’ about it. You are wrong. :)
I have not gripped about my pay being one of the reasons I want to leave my current job. I gripped about closed minds in this school district. I actually have an interview next week with the district from which I graduated to teach architecture. They pay LESS than when I am now.
April 26th, 2006 at 3:51 pm#32
The Oil Cartels drool for the Black Gold Crude, so they can hire a mercenary army, using their swindled profits to try to hold on to the Oil fields!
Good call. Perfect example of capitalism in action…if you want that treasure go ahead and risk your life for it. Take your chances Exxon.
April 26th, 2006 at 3:54 pm#18, that would be called “walking the plank”.
April 26th, 2006 at 3:55 pm#33
April 26th, 2006 at 3:58 pmJules
Just picture those old black and white movies where a gal would put the back of her wrist on her forehead and sigh. But you have to add a little “Oh my gosh!” into it.
dlet – that is the most perfect description of feigning I have ever heard. I cannot wait to practice feigning on my husband!
April 26th, 2006 at 3:59 pmWay to support the troops!
April 26th, 2006 at 4:03 pm30
I’m planning to vote for as many lucid Independents as I have available. The Demos and Repugs are two sides of the same corrupt coin.
Pretty soon her transformation to the dark side will be complete
April 26th, 2006 at 4:09 pm#38
April 26th, 2006 at 4:11 pmGood luck! Just remember not to use it too much. He might catch on.
32, 35
Handing Iraq over to Exxon would not help the view the world has of us would it? Sure there is complaining now (understatement) but if we just walked away it would have to get worse.
April 26th, 2006 at 4:13 pmPretty soon her transformation to the dark side will be complete
Comment by Tundra — April 26, 2006 @ 4:09 pm
You mean a liberal, vegan, feminist, atheist isn’t already dark enough for you? :)
April 26th, 2006 at 4:14 pmFirst, Tundra:
My feelings exactly. It is also why Bush should be hung, drawn and quartered for throwing America into that war for his own political benefit.
Next; back to thread:
You get what you pay for, except in the case of people who feel they have a calling. All elected officials should feel they have a calling, it is what made them run in the first place. If a lower salary weeds out some of those who are in it for the money then maybe you should drop their salaries. It isn’t like there is a shortage of people who are in it for the power and glory.
April 26th, 2006 at 4:17 pm“I could introduce you to half a dozen teachers around here who would disprove your money buys quality theory. ”
First off, you would never intruduce me to anyone, one would be ashamed of my conservative leanings, which won’t be fixed until that heart transplant comes in.
as to money buys quality, then why bother with merit raises?
April 26th, 2006 at 4:18 pm#42
April 26th, 2006 at 4:21 pmThe comment was tongue-in-cheek, but I don’t how it would affect world view that much. I mean we have already done it in every African country that has oil. By the way, I thought you were for less government involvement and letting the marketplace figure itself out?
You mean a liberal, vegan, feminist, atheist isn’t already dark enough for you? :)
Oh the pitter patter of my little heart :)
April 26th, 2006 at 4:23 pm#30 – We need new representatives who represent We The People and not Corporate interests.
I’m planning to vote for as many lucid Independents as I have available. The Demos and Repugs are two sides of the same corrupt coin. No wonder tehir approval rating is in the teens.
Comment by unbelievable — April 26, 2006 @ 3:48 pm
you are correct in your reasoning, and i hope you get a chance to do so in the near future – but you have to know that NOW is not the time to take any votes away from dems, aka congressional oversight, checks and ballances, not to mention subpoena power…
April 26th, 2006 at 4:25 pmhold on…
I thought you were for less government involvement and letting the marketplace figure itself out?
Oh I am but I am also for keeping my word. We got them all worked up in 91 and caused thousands to get killed when we didn’t follow through.
April 26th, 2006 at 4:26 pmas to money buys quality, then why bother with merit raises?
Comment by squegeeboo — April 26, 2006 @ 4:18 pm
That’s a neo-con proposal, and one that got Govenator Ahnuld on the outs with the California teachers.
Lemme ’splain why.
You can’t judge a teacher by students who are unwilling to learn. You can, but it ain’t fair. ‘Cause by the time we get them, the most influential people in their lives – their parents – have already programmmed them, most of the time, for their level of success (or failure)/
One of my colleagues told me that a parent actually told her “Stop calling me. I cain’t do nothin’ ’bout him.”
Sure there are bad teachers. Just like there are bad doctors, attorneys, bus drivers, shoe shiners, and so on. You’ll never make any system 100% effective. You just have to learn to pick your battles and use your resources wisely. Don’t you think?
April 26th, 2006 at 4:29 pmOh the pitter patter of my little heart :)
Comment by Tundra — April 26, 2006 @ 4:23 pm
Little heart… you are a true conservative Tundra ; )
April 26th, 2006 at 4:30 pm#49
April 26th, 2006 at 4:32 pmThat is true about in ‘91. Just another Bush family blunder. Problem is we followed through on this one and thousands more are being killed now. A country can not occupy another and expect things to go nice. It never has happened and never will. It is a bad situation and will remain to be bad. That is not weakness in admitting that. The “stay the course” mentality of this Admin is the weakness that needs to be broken.
hold on…
Comment by katy — April 26, 2006 @ 4:25 pm
But for what? I don’t see the Dems doing a better job. I think Clinton was far better than bush, but he allowed Corporate money to buy his campaign and even he, poor boy from Arkansas, help cut taxes for the rich and weakened environmental policies. If not now, when?
April 26th, 2006 at 4:33 pmdlet
That is true about in ‘91. Just another Bush family blunder.
I’m confused, freeing Kuwait was the blunder, or not chasing the Iraq’s all the way to baghdad and toppling saddam was the blunder?
April 26th, 2006 at 4:34 pm#54
April 26th, 2006 at 4:39 pmThe Bush Administration was in contact with factions inside of Iraq before and during the first Gulf War. The Admin told the factions to be ready to uprise against Saddam and the time is coming for revolt. But when they rose up, mainly in the south, the US forces stopped and did not aid them like the US said they would. That is the blunder. Making promises and not fulfilling them and lieing.
So it was a blunder to not invade Iraq, but now that we have, it’s a blunder?
April 26th, 2006 at 4:41 pm#56
April 26th, 2006 at 4:45 pmWhat? The topic was in ‘91. And specifically about not supporting the uprising. Do not try and tie that one specific comment on one specific topic to my support or non-support of the two wars.
dlet
Are you talking about Bush Snr or Jnr?
April 26th, 2006 at 4:45 pmNever mind, sorry about that.
April 26th, 2006 at 4:47 pmMake it an international issue, get the U.N to help. Ask for assistance form other countries. that all works for me. Saying sorry all, this isn’t really what we thought it was going to be, we are taking our ball and going home doesn’t work for me.
‘Wow that’s a heck of a resistance there, we didn’t think they would be that tough, it’s too much for us sorry about this whole thing” Is not what we promised to do. It is not what we sold them (Not what we were sold either, but just because we were lied to doesn’t mean they get left high and dry)
April 26th, 2006 at 4:47 pm#50 You can’t judge a teacher by students who are unwilling to learn. You can, but it ain’t fair. ‘Cause by the time we get them, the most influential people in their lives – their parents – have already programmmed them, most of the time, for their level of success (or failure)
I was talking about merit raises in general, but even with teachers, sure you have some bad students, but arn’t they a random distribution within a school that should give every teacher their fair share of bad students for the core subjects.
April 26th, 2006 at 4:50 pm“What? The topic was in ‘91. And specifically about not supporting the uprising. Do not try and tie that one specific comment on one specific topic to my support or non-support of the two wars.”
But faulty logic is what I do best, and i wont let you take it from me.
April 26th, 2006 at 4:51 pmunbelievable -
But for what? how soon you forget: congressional oversight, checks and ballances, not to mention subpoena power…
I don’t see the Dems doing a better job. you think they actually had any choice or chance? …i think the dems learned a hard earned lesson – blog power, for one… i doubt they try the corrupt bullshit that has brought the right down … one can hope…
April 26th, 2006 at 4:51 pm#62
April 26th, 2006 at 4:55 pmConfuse me once, shame on you. Confuse me twice……I won’t be confused again.
i doubt they try the corrupt bullshit that has brought the right down … one can hope…
There are many many fine examples of it out there. I’m not talking about blowjobs in the Whitehouse either. Big names as well, not just small fries, they are all corrupt.
April 26th, 2006 at 4:55 pm#64 I’ll be the decider on that issue.
April 26th, 2006 at 4:57 pmI was talking about merit raises in general, but even with teachers, sure you have some bad students, but arn’t they a random distribution within a school that should give every teacher their fair share of bad students for the core subjects.
Comment by squegeeboo — April 26, 2006 @ 4:50 pm
You have obviously never taught high school. I have had classes of 30 students where 25 – 30% of them were failing. I cannot even count the number of times I heard, “He/she is 15 and I cannot make them do their work.” You do not know how badly I wanted to ask exactly who was the parent in that home. At 15 they cannot drive or have a job. Don’t let them go out and don’t give them money. But it is easier for them to do nothing then blame the teacher when their child does not pass.
My class was not unusual. Many people today are raising there kids by allowing to do whatever they want and not take responsibility for the consequences.
April 26th, 2006 at 4:57 pmI have had classes of 30 students where 25 – 30% of them were failing.
I wanted to ask exactly who was the parent in that home. At 15 they cannot drive or have a job. Don’t let them go out and don’t give them money. But it is easier for them to do nothing then blame the teacher when their child does not pass
My class was not unusual. Many people today are raising there kids by allowing to do whatever they want and not take responsibility for the consequences.
Which is why I do not support giving my money to the government to redistribute at will! Gee if you won’t make your kid do their homework or you choose not to, don’t ask me for food/clothing etc. If you can’t get a job because you are that 25-30% failing because you are not doing anything about it, Welllllll Sorrrrryyyyy I have no sympathy.
April 26th, 2006 at 5:01 pmI was talking about merit raises in general, but even with teachers, sure you have some bad students, but arn’t they a random distribution within a school that should give every teacher their fair share of bad students for the core subjects.
Comment by squegeeboo — April 26, 2006 @ 4:50 pm
Nope. There are new versions of Special Education in which the teachers only have what are considered ‘bad students’ (they don’t do well with grades or standardized tests). And, those students are ‘integrated’ into the student population so that some classes have more Sp Ed kids than others. Some classes are electives for juniors and seniors (who didn’t drop out), some are for gifted kids only, and so on.
April 26th, 2006 at 5:02 pmJules
“My class was not unusual.”
And that was my point, if its standard to have a 25% failure rate in your school/district, and you only have a 20%-15% failure rate, then you are doing something to help the students that the other teachers are not, otherwise their rates would be comparable to yours. Sounds like grounds for a merit raise to me.
April 26th, 2006 at 5:02 pmWho does Gregg think he is satisfying with his cut to the military?
April 26th, 2006 at 5:05 pmAnd they say they support the troops.
It’s another version – do NOT believe what they say — watch what they do.
They can pay lip service to anything – and they do – but when it comes down to rewarding their friends, enriching themselves or making political hay, they will take the low road every time.
The priorities of this congress are so twisted, they should be run out of office before their heads spin like tops.
#69
Nope. There are new versions of Special Education in which the teachers only have what are considered ‘bad students’ (they don’t do well with grades or standardized tests). And, those students are ‘integrated’ into the student population so that some classes have more Sp Ed kids than others. Some classes are electives for juniors and seniors (who didn’t drop out), some are for gifted kids only, and so on.
And how hard is it to remove special ed scores from the class, or put electives or AP type courses on a curve to make them match up to standard core courses for evaluation reasons?
April 26th, 2006 at 5:06 pmhow soon you forget: congressional oversight, checks and ballances, not to mention subpoena power…
I didn’t forget (Political Science was one of my favorite classes in college, and I was an Architecture major). It just doesn’t exist any more.
I don’t see the Dems doing a better job. you think they actually had any choice or chance?
Yes. They could have filibustered Alito, for instance, but they didn’t. 7 of them voted for this cut according to the post. They’ve remained silent and in many cases, have assisted the problem.
I can’t see voting for them out of fear of what will happen if we don’t. We’ll just wind up with more of the same corruption, just in a different vanilla flavored shade of grey.
…i think the dems learned a hard earned lesson – blog power, for one… i doubt they try the corrupt bullshit that has brought the right down … one can hope…
Comment by katy — April 26, 2006 @ 4:51 pm
Hope, sure, but while doing something pro-active – which, i think is letting them know that they need to step up and perform, or they’re gone too.
April 26th, 2006 at 5:08 pmThere are teachers who hava a 100% pass rate. Not that their students are better than mine. They do not want to deal with all of the paperwork, phone calls, parent contacts, etc. that goes along with students failing.
I did not teach an honors class. Honors students are much more motivated to pass and do well than those who are not. My daught is an honors student and I would kick her butt if she did not do her work or failed a class. Most parents of honor students are that way.
And Tundra, you seem to be under the misconception that it is poor students who have this attitude. That could not be futher from the truth. The richer kids are most times spoiled and coddled. The poorer kids know they have to do well to get into college. Mommy and Daddy cannot buy their way in.
April 26th, 2006 at 5:08 pm#68
April 26th, 2006 at 5:09 pmWhile I can see your lack of concern for others. Don’t you think that it is important for this country to try to educate as many children as possible to keep the level of intelligance of its workforce at a high level? Granted many parents are not good in giving their kids an advantage in schooling. For many various reasons. Lack of education themselves, heavy workload, no concern, etc. I would rather have a country that tried as hard as it could to have everyone as smart and healthy as possible. Helps lessen the burden on the other end when they grow up.
“There are teachers who hava a 100% pass rate. Not that their students are better than mine. They do not want to deal with all of the paperwork, phone calls, parent contacts, etc. that goes along with students failing.”
Standardized testing fixes that issue. In NY if you fail the regents you fail the course, otherwise it counts as 1/5 of your yearly grade.
April 26th, 2006 at 5:10 pm#76 – standardized testing is not the answer. There are people in this world who are intelligent but do not test well.
Then you get the argument that the students are not really learning, they are being “taught to the test.”
April 26th, 2006 at 5:13 pm74
And Tundra, you seem to be under the misconception that it is poor students who have this attitude. That could not be futher from the truth. The richer kids are most times spoiled and coddled. The poorer kids know they have to do well to get into college. Mommy and Daddy cannot buy their way in.
Not at all, but if they are a rich kid and mommy and daddy don’t care they can pay for them.
April 26th, 2006 at 5:16 pmWhich is why I do not support giving my money to the government to redistribute at will! Gee if you won’t make your kid do their homework or you choose not to, don’t ask me for food/clothing etc. If you can’t get a job because you are that 25-30% failing because you are not doing anything about it, Welllllll Sorrrrryyyyy I have no sympathy.
Comment by Tundra — April 26, 2006 @ 5:01 pm
The problem, for me, and hence my being a liberal, is that you can’t starve the kids or kick them in the streets because the parents aren’t doing their job. You know what I mean?
I have kids whine and whine and whine to get tehir way. And when I ask “Does that work at home?” they say “Yes!”. That’s the current generation – not liberals or conservatives as many might argue – but just a general culture to feel so guilty about the lack of time you spend with your child because both parents are working over time, that you spoil them, or are too lenient. That’s what is happening in a lot of cases. It’s the home environment that is breeding inaccountability, egocentricty, a lack of self-discipline and whiners.
This is where I think the burden put on the middle class to carry corporate welfare is ruining our nation. I detest Corprate America for turning the middle class into slaves for their lavish life styles, because I think that’s what has caused this cuurent culture of “I don’t care”. Seriously.
April 26th, 2006 at 5:17 pmAnd how hard is it to remove special ed scores from the class, or put electives or AP type courses on a curve to make them match up to standard core courses for evaluation reasons?
Comment by squegeeboo — April 26, 2006 @ 5:06 pm
You do understand that you are dealing with the government here right? They work in black and white and no in between.
April 26th, 2006 at 5:20 pm#77 Then you get the argument that the students are not really learning, they are being “taught to the test.â€
April 26th, 2006 at 5:20 pmAnd if the test covers the material they should have learned thru out the year, then whats wrong with being taught to the test?
“You do understand that you are dealing with the government here right? They work in black and white and no in between.”
So then break education out of the gov’t and free market it.
April 26th, 2006 at 5:23 pmAnd if the test covers the material they should have learned thru out the year, then whats wrong with being taught to the test?
Comment by squegeeboo — April 26, 2006 @ 5:20 pm
They are memorizing the information for the tests, not actually learning it, because we don’t see the actual EOCT until they do. We have so much to teach that if the kids need more time to learn, well, tough cookies, you just memorize it and go to the next Chapter.
April 26th, 2006 at 5:24 pmSo then break education out of the gov’t and free market it.
Comment by squegeeboo — April 26, 2006 @ 5:23 pm
That’s just worse.
April 26th, 2006 at 5:25 pmDon’t you think that it is important for this country to try to educate as many children as possible to keep the level of intelligance of its workforce at a high level?
Sure but you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make them drink. According to the teacher here it is not uncommon for teachers to have 25% fail rates in some classes. Because the parents do not care. I can’t go to someone elses house and force them to have their kids do the homework (And I don’t want to)
I would rather have a country that tried as hard as it could to have everyone as smart and healthy as possible.
Ok, sure me to, but on that token if it is now currently available and parents/students are not caring and not using the resources they have available. I’m supposed to feel obligated to do something more?
I can work 2 jobs, spend an hour a night helping with homework. Get weekly tutors, remain in e-mail contact with the teacher for any missed assignments and deal with it that night as opposed to waiting for report cards then complaining. But you (Being a general other person not a you as in you) choose to sit on the porch and drink beer, have no clue where or when the report cards are. Don’t even bother with conferences or homework hotlines etc. And I should somehow feel a want or personal responsibility to assist you in this venture. This is going to sound really bad but I sure hope my kid can get a better job because you are letting yours down (Yours as in a general yours not yours as in you specifically).
April 26th, 2006 at 5:26 pmIf i had a nickle for every parent who didn’t bother to show up for a meeting, I could just retire now. And this is only my first year in the system.
April 26th, 2006 at 5:29 pm#81 – I suggest you spend just one month in a classroom, just one, and you will realize your arguements do not work.
This is what happens: State legislators, wanting to “sound good” to the parents who will hopefully vote for him/her and know our school system is in disrepair, tell the parents it is not their fault, it is the schools, and in particular the teachers. The parents, feeling guilty because little Johnny cannot add or read, begin to feel better because now they do not have to blame themselves, they blame the teachers. The parents then put pressure on the school district to “make their schools better by getting rid of the “bad teachers.” Of course, the state, does not fund the schools well enough so each student can have their own history book, let alone a current history book. Then in their infinite wisdom they create tests (in TX it is called TAKS) which the students must pass or they will not pass to the next frade (in the case of third and eigth grades) or graduate (the 11th grade test). When they do not pass because they will not pay attention in class, study, do homework, come to tutorials, etc., it is the teachers fault.
The state and district, coddling the parent, also blames the teacher and “keeps score.” In addition, they add to the already overburdened teacher the task of keeping track of all of Johnnys scores throughout his life. It does not matter that you have 150 Johnny’s. You need to discover through their scores in the past exactly where Johnny is weak and then in addition to teaching Johnny the curriculum you must reteach the areas he could not or would not learn in the past. Then you also have to write up what you have done to assist each little Johnny in their quest for knowledge. And God forbid that Johnny should fail because no matter how hard you tried or how much you encouraged Johnny, it is your fault.
April 26th, 2006 at 5:34 pm85 # Your country needs more than just educated it needs enlightend to human values, taught whats right and whats wrong and the Dalai lama as a spirtual leader for president – at the moment you do not have enough phyciatrists as teachers – your country is more messed up than the world thought
April 26th, 2006 at 5:36 pmSo all that is left is taking education out of the Federal Governments hands and letting the area directly effected work it out?
April 26th, 2006 at 5:38 pmOK, you must be wondering about now why the hell I would want to teach. It is because of that other 70 – 75% who are willing to work as hard as they have to so they can learn. They deserve somoeone who cares about them and about their success.
April 26th, 2006 at 5:39 pmOr is it not teaching to the potential of the 75% and only teaching to what the 25% will do?
I’m for letting the 25% fall until they realize it’s a bad move. One day it will click, my little sister dropped out. When she was 19 she realized how stupid it was and had to work twice as hard to make it to college. She did it got a degree and has a decent job now. She realized when she dropped out that she was on her own.
April 26th, 2006 at 5:49 pmSuch a paltry sum compared to what has already come up missing in Iraq…
April 26th, 2006 at 5:56 pmShe realized when she dropped out that she was on her own.
Comment by Tundra — April 26, 2006 @ 5:49 pm
I’d like to know if she is the exception or the rule. Cause I don’t know. If she’s the rule, then maybe you’re right to some point. I still think the parents need more accountability. Like the surrent debate of holding parents financially or personally on some level responsible for their childen breaking the law. I like the theory, I just wonder about the reality of it…
April 26th, 2006 at 5:59 pmNows the part where I stop being the annoying and occasionally funny Con. Lib., and just be an asshole.
for the 20-25% that can’t even figure out school, some one has to bag my groceries, some one has to change my oil, some one has to flip my burgers at Mc.D’s. Why not let these kids who couldn’t be bothered drop out younger so they can start a menial job that has little chance of going somewhere, it will either aclimate them to their new life, or scare them into actually trying at school.
/rant off
April 26th, 2006 at 6:05 pm/rant off
Comment by squegeeboo — April 26, 2006 @ 6:05 pm
Truth be told, the asshole side of you makes more sense. It’s just another version of the ‘Scared Straight’ approach. No arguments from me. Myfather made me spend a couple summers working at the General Motors plant where he worked to makes sure I got an education on life without college (which was odd because I wanted to go to college. He should have saved it for my brothers who dropped out or didn’t go at all).
April 26th, 2006 at 6:17 pmWHY DOES JUDD GREGG HATE AMERICA?
WHY IS THE SENATE EMBOLDENING THE ENEMY??
Just imagine the screaming and squealing we’d be hearing if, say, Hillary Clinton had brought this measure up.
April 26th, 2006 at 6:21 pm“Truth be told, the asshole side of you makes more sense. It’s just another version of the ‘Scared Straight’ approach.”
I could care less about them being scared straight, I just want to remove them from the school environment so the kids who are actually there to learn don’t have them as distractions and negative role models.
April 26th, 2006 at 6:33 pmSqueegy at what age do you propose to implimentt your plan?
and for the kids who are much younger 7-12 and do not really understand exactally why thery must learn and succeed what do you propose?
April 26th, 2006 at 6:44 pmIn Europe it is common to test kids at a young age, and then place them on a college/vocational school track accordingly. Frankly people learn in different ways. Placing kids in an enviroment tailored to how they learn would be a huge step forward, instead of the one size fits all educational system we have now.
April 26th, 2006 at 6:51 pmYoungins are easy to keep in line, a little shouting, bring back the nun ruler for public school and your all set.
13ish(8th-9th grade) sounds pretty good. Time to sink or swim.
April 26th, 2006 at 6:54 pmSqugee – in Texas they do not allow a student to drop out until they are 17. I do not agree with this as I believe if a 16 year old drops out and goes to work they will learn how not fun it is and go back to school and work harder.
I am such the dreamer!!!
April 26th, 2006 at 6:56 pmObviously you do not have kids, and you are asking the kids make up for bad parents, but then again after reading most of your self serving selfish rants I would not expect much more…..
April 26th, 2006 at 7:00 pmClif – I am hoping you are not referring to me as I do have a child and I would NEVER blame a child for their parents behavior or lack thereof. I become very frustrated when I see all of these students with so much potential just waste it. I always hope that like Tundra’s sister, they will eventually see that they can accomplish so much more and do something about it.
April 26th, 2006 at 7:15 pmNo Jules squeegy head
April 26th, 2006 at 7:17 pmUnfortunately, in this regard, the children do pay for the parents’ crimes… or the cycle repeats itself perpetually.
April 26th, 2006 at 7:33 pmI could care less about them being scared straight,
Comment by squegeeboo — April 26, 2006 @ 6:33 pm
Oh Squeeky toy, is there anyone you do care about that doesn’t have something to offer you besides sex, money or food?
April 26th, 2006 at 7:35 pmis there anyone you do care about that doesn’t have something to offer you besides sex, money or food?
Comment by unbelievable — April 26, 2006 @ 7:35 pm
I will reply on his behalf:
“Uuhhh…. so, what’s your point? (perplexed look)”
;-)
April 26th, 2006 at 7:41 pmActually Gergor, squeegy is trying to figure out if unbelievable is asking a rhetorical question or if he can pervert it into something else….
April 26th, 2006 at 7:50 pm[...] Think Progress once again: Senate Votes To Cut Funding For Troops In Iraq and Afghanistan [...]
April 26th, 2006 at 7:56 pmThis is ridiculous you DO NOT cut funding for troops in the field. If you want to being then home than do something about it don’t cut funding that sends the wrong message!
April 26th, 2006 at 7:57 pm#106 & 107 Gregor, Unbelievable
Oh Squeeky toy, is there anyone you do care about that doesn’t have something to offer you besides sex, money or food?
I was out to dinner with some friends, sorry my reply is so late.
I care about my family and my friends, and my nation, in that order, beyond that, theres 6 billion people, for me to care about all of them as individuals is beyond my ability. I have never claimed to have empathy for others beyond this group, and have no problem saying that I don’t really care about their issues, accept for how their issues affect my family, my friends or my nation, in that order.
To reqoute from above:
April 26th, 2006 at 9:36 pmNows the part where I stop being the annoying and occasionally funny Con. Lib., and just be an asshole.
I was out to dinner with some friends
So that’s under food??
April 26th, 2006 at 9:42 pmIt looks to me that the Republicans are starting to cut and run. The Vietnam war was ended by lack of funding and it seems to me this could be the first step.
April 26th, 2006 at 9:44 pmTypical libertarian, selfish and self absorbed to the end……
April 26th, 2006 at 9:48 pm“Uuhhh…. so, what’s your point? (perplexed look)â€
Comment by Gregor Samsa — April 26, 2006 @ 7:41 pm
I didn’t know you did impersonations too. : )
April 26th, 2006 at 9:50 pmSo that’s under food??
Comment by Tundra — April 26, 2006 @ 9:42 pm
That’s hilarious!
April 26th, 2006 at 9:51 pm#115 OUCH, that hurts me here
/points to my heart(or obvious lack there of)
April 26th, 2006 at 9:51 pmSqueesie,
No offense, but your brain isn’t even finished developing until you are 25. Because of that, and the fact that you haven’t even joined reality until you’ve graduated college or been on your own for a few years, I’m gonna say, print this page and save it. Fifteen years from now, take it out and have a really good laugh.
April 26th, 2006 at 9:53 pmTypical libertarian, selfish and self absorbed to the end……
Typical Liberal, expecting everyone else to take care of the problem with an outstretched hand……
April 26th, 2006 at 9:55 pmTypical libertarian, selfish and self absorbed to the end……
Comment by Clif — April 26, 2006 @ 9:48 pm
Speaking of self-absorbed conservatives, did you ever make it to Houston for that drink? :)
April 26th, 2006 at 9:56 pmTypical Liberal, expecting everyone else to take care of the problem with an outstretched hand……
Comment by Tundra — April 26, 2006 @ 9:55 pm
Hey – unless you’re handing out money while you insult us, we’d rather not hear it ; )
April 26th, 2006 at 9:57 pmand the fact that you haven’t even joined reality until you’ve graduated college or been on your own for a few years
Since softmore year I’ve been working 40+ hour weeks to make ends meet and taking out loans to pay for my college education. I’m leaving college with 3X times the loans of my average college friend who had parents to pay their way thru everything, including spending cash. I can’t wait to enter the ‘real world’ where all i have is 40+ hour weeks at my job, as opposed to those and classes.
April 26th, 2006 at 10:00 pmI’m leaving college with 3X times the loans of my average college friend who had parents to pay their way thru everything, including spending cash.
Yeah well the military will take care of that little problem you know :)
April 26th, 2006 at 10:02 pmThats it Tundra, you ass? Kicked tomorow at work :)
April 26th, 2006 at 10:04 pmUnbelievable I am going in a few weeks, My Dad got sick and then passed away….
April 26th, 2006 at 10:13 pmI can’t wait to enter the ‘real world’ where all i have is 40+ hour weeks at my job, as opposed to those and classes.
Comment by squegeeboo — April 26, 2006 @ 10:00 pm
I forgot, at your age you know everything and have life figured out. I did too. Trust me. Print this and save it.
April 26th, 2006 at 10:25 pmUnbelievable I am going in a few weeks, My Dad got sick and then passed away….
Comment by Clif — April 26, 2006 @ 10:13 pm
I’m so sorry to hear that Clif. My condolences, and thoughts are with you.
April 26th, 2006 at 10:26 pmGotta go to bed guys… Good night!
April 26th, 2006 at 10:28 pmTypical Liberal, expecting everyone else to take care of the problem with an outstretched hand……
Comment by Tundra — April 26, 2006 @ 9:55 pm
No Tundra just a small amount of compassion something Americans were known for in the era before Reagan and the rise of the selfish me first right wing/libertarian I got mine and could care less about anything else generation. I was raised around a bunch of farmers and they taught me to care a bit more, not have a hand out but to offer mine once in a while, and if something was worth it it was worth paying for not charging and leaving the bills to my children and grandchildren. They also cared enough to spend enough to educate every child because they knew that a well educated society could figure out problems, and that self centeredness and selfishness would harm everyone in the end as everybody grabbed as much as they could but nobody gave anything to another. In the end selfishness will cost the society because education on the cheap a practice since Reagan has worsened the schools and creating tests does not help children learn but does create scapegoats if parents are not going to be responsible. The generation that lived thru the great depression and won WW@ understood this thus the GI bill which is as responsible as anything for the educated entrepreneurs that fired the economy from 1945-1970 but as the repugs screamed about their selfish wants instead of a real common good the education has declined, along with alot of other infrastructure of this country. The education system is probably the most important infrastructure we have but the least funded because most libertarians and wingnuts do not see a direct benefit unlike the generation of 1930-40 who took the long view not the quarter or year end report.
April 26th, 2006 at 10:31 pmHere in AZ, the border situation needs the help.
April 26th, 2006 at 10:47 pm#4#7#12 and the others Ref:http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/jul2003/sen-j07.shtml this is why congress has no idea of where cuts should be made or not. they are out of touch.
April 26th, 2006 at 10:50 pmMaybe our elected officals should take the job because it is a step UP the economic scale for them. Asking them to take the job to help the country is asking to much.
April 26th, 2006 at 11:00 pmWhy do the Republicans hate Iraq and Afghnaistan for the freedom that we’re trying to give them?
Anyway, as promised: The God Pod, or Anger in the Key of D r i f t g l a s s.
April 26th, 2006 at 11:09 pmThe Congress, especially the Senate, are hypocrites to keep funding Bush’s foreign fiasco wars! Iraq as a nation and society is completely in chaos and our troops are being killed so the Oil Cartel CEOs can make more profits! Afghanistan has become a smugglers paradise of Opium production and distribution, while our troops are gunned down protecting the Oil Cartel stooge Karzai! The Congress has the ability, if they wanted, to tell Dubya that all the war funds can be cut-off, but they choose to be accomplices in criminal aggression and murder of civilians, which are a war crimes according to the Geneva Conventions! Shame on the Bush Regime and everyone in the House and Senate who help Dubya Dunce to wage warfare!
April 26th, 2006 at 11:18 pmJohn Cusak is filming (in my Aunts old house in Westmont, Ilinois) a movie called “Grace is Gone”.
Grace is Johns wife who gets killed in Iraq leaving him to raise their two children alone. Production began 3 weeks ago and “Grace is Gone” will be released sometime next year.
I expect to see the reality of this illegal war in this film and encourage all to see it.
Ban Republicans, they’re mental.
April 26th, 2006 at 11:41 pm“Grace is Gone” starring John Cusack…..
http://www.empiremovies.com/index.php?id=9395
April 26th, 2006 at 11:54 pmI found the following opinion on CNN’s law center. It is dated, as it was written in the run-up to the invasion of Iraq back in 2002, but it is still relevant in that it addresses Pres Bush’s so-called “inherent powers”, the role of Congress in declaring war, the War Powers Resolution, and how Congress can end a war by refusing to fund it -relevant given the fact that Congress just cut funding for the troops.
If (hypothetically) no one in Congress, once hearings are held, is persuaded that war with Iraq is necessary or appropriate; if Republicans remain divided and our allies remain horrified; if only the chest-pounding hawks surrounding the President want war; and if, nevertheless, the President says he is going to go forward with the war, Congress will still be in control.
Congress can always pull the purse strings. Wars demand a great deal of money, and the president can’t reach into the U.S. Treasury without an authorization and appropriation. To spend money, he needs Congress’s approval. (…)
In short, there is only one sure way Congress can stop President Bush from going to war with Saddam: cut off his funds. Without money there can be no war.
But this would be doing indirectly what Congress should do directly — either declare war, or not. And if Congress does not, and the President proceeds anyway, the President should be taken to task for ignoring the Constitution.
FindLaw Forum: President needs congressional approval to declare war on Iraq
Maybe this is a sign that Congress is not 100% sold on the war anymore? (very significant, in this Republican-controlled Congress) Is this a sign of things to come?
Or maybe I am reading too much into it….
April 27th, 2006 at 12:42 am125
Unbelievable I am going in a few weeks, My Dad got sick and then passed away….
Best wishes and please send my condolences in this troubling time.
April 27th, 2006 at 2:51 amThanks Tundra, my dad for one was one who would go aid someone and not ask for direct compensation, he understood that we help each other in life and decried the selfish tendencies of the I want all that is mine crowd. We do not own any thing but are allowed to use it for a while, and even the planet is only borrowed from futrue generations, and hopefully we will not screw it up too bad for them.
April 27th, 2006 at 3:14 amNo Tundra just a small amount of compassion
I give well over 10% of what I make to those less fortunate, I am not counting what I give to the government to hand out. I also give at least 10% of my time to others (I am very involved in Veterans clubs and childrens sports). To say I don’t have compassion is wrong. I look out for my community more than alot of others do. Telling me you want more for some family across the country (Who has given my community 0 time or money) is bogus.
I got mine and could care less about anything else generation.
I make more than my parents combined. They did not pay for my schooling I earned it (you really paid for it). I didn’t take out loans, I didn’t say I couldn’t because it was too tough. I simply moved myself up to middle class. I don’t want to be rich, but I don’t want you to decide that for some reason I owe some other person my money because they decided it was easier to do drugs or skip homework.. Sorry, Call me what you will.
I was raised around a bunch of farmers and they taught me to care a bit more
I was born and raised in Detroit Michigan. I saw handouts by the thousands and refused to be part of it. If you think that working my way out entitles the people on the corner who are still sitting there today smoking pot/crack something, well, you help them.
and if something was worth it it was worth paying for not charging and leaving the bills to my children and grandchildren
fully agree, I have less than $3500 in debt personally (Yeah that’s everything) and if it was needed I could wipe that.
understood this thus the GI bill which is as responsible as anything for the educated entrepreneurs
April 27th, 2006 at 3:14 amHence you paid for my education, just how much more do I owe you to pay my debt?
I was raised around a bunch of farmers and they taught me to care a bit more
I was born and raised in Detroit Michigan. I saw handouts by the thousands and refused to be part of it. If you think that working my way out entitles the people on the corner who are still sitting there today smoking pot/crack something, well, you help them.
Not what I said I was talking about helping people who were trying not those who won’t try there is a difference…….
understood this thus the GI bill which is as responsible as anything for the educated entrepreneurs
Hence you paid for my education, just how much more do I owe you to pay my debt?
I used the vietnamn era GI bill for my undergraduate degree and had enough for one year in my graduate degree, I just wish the current generation of combat vets could get the same, and since I am 100% perminately disabled since sept 1992, you owe me nothing.
And as for my debt…nothing execpt monthly bills….car, house, credit cards paid off.
I just understand I can not do everything by myself and am willing to help if others show even a small bit of trying…being sick for a while will humble a person as to how independant we really are.
April 27th, 2006 at 3:29 amNot what I said I was talking about helping people who were trying not those who won’t try there is a difference…….
government policy has no difference.
I used the vietnamn era GI bill for my undergraduate degree and had enough for one year in my graduate degree,
Then come on down to any of the clubs I work with (100% sincere). We do fundraisers for numerous things. We will gladly help your kids, your spouse.you. We can’t make any of them rich but we sure can try and give a hand up for those willing to take a step.
I just wish the current generation of combat vets could get the same,
They can, last I checked it was around 45K for 4 years depending on MOS (that was awhile ago)
I just understand I can not do everything by myself and am willing to help if others show even a small bit of trying…
None of us can, but we don’t need the government to tell us to help each other, we can do it ourselves.
being sick for a while will humble a person as to how independant we really are.
April 27th, 2006 at 3:55 amAssuming you meant arent. I understand, but the government needs to take care of those in now (or those that have service related injuries). We need to take care of each other. I’m not asking for anything (not disabled at all here) from the government. My brothers and sisters who served will take care of me as I take care of them. Noone else owes me anything and I owe them nothing more.
I just wish the current generation of combat vets could get the same,
They can, last I checked it was around 45K for 4 years depending on MOS (that was awhile ago)
Take the MOS out of it and make the payment basically pay the bill for those who volunteered to defend this country, BEFORE giving money for bridges to nowhere or Trent Lott earmark the relocate the CSX line across Mississippi AFTER the RR rebuilt it from Katrina damage just to get the developers more land to develop, also fully fund the VA for patient care, I have seen the time between check ups slip from six months to seven and a half already before the next round of cuts to feed the TAX cuts for billionaires who obviously need the money more than the vets who defended their fat touches
April 27th, 2006 at 4:03 amThen come on down to any of the clubs I work with (100% sincere). We do fundraisers for numerous things. We will gladly help your kids, your spouse.you. We can’t make any of them rich but we sure can try and give a hand up for those willing to take a step.
Do not know where you are located but I live in central KY and do not travel much if I do not have too.
April 27th, 2006 at 4:04 amBEFORE giving money for bridges to nowhere
No gripes about government accountability from me I assure you.
Trent Lott earmark
Well they are all guilty of that one (Let me know if you can find an innocent one I would like to see that)
http://www.cagw.org/site/PageServer?pagename=reports_porkbarrelreport
The rest of the post is agreed with, but if they would tighten their belts all around it would be a non issue. The added time at the VA hospitals is way wrong but the civilian population is dealing with it too, it seems to be a much larger issue with medical treatment in general (Different post, but a real problem)
I am getting some rest, it was nice talking to you, Veterans health/benefits is what I do when I am not with my daughter, working or wasting time on blogs :)
April 27th, 2006 at 4:14 amDo not know where you are located but I live in central KY and do not travel much if I do not have too.
I live in upstate NY currently but there has to be an American Legion, VFW, AVA in your area with some yahoo like me who lives for this stuff. If not let me know and let’s see what we can do ;)
Even if there is, lets see if we can’t get them together and work a little.
April 27th, 2006 at 4:18 amTundra I wish I had known that a couple of weeks ago I was Just in upstate NY near Syracuse for my dads funeral, we could have set and shot the breese for a while….as for me right now I do not need a lot. I am a life member of the Disabled American Veterans.
April 27th, 2006 at 4:37 am#147 Clif
April 27th, 2006 at 9:57 amBeen reading the posts between you and Tundra and others here today — my condolences on the passing of your father. Sounds like a good man who raised a good son. I appreciate your thoughtful and informed posts.
President Bush can always ‘veto’ the spending bill if he doesn’t like it. Time for him to “Put up- or SHUT UP!! Support the troops, right? Money talks.
Clif- I was so sorry to hear of you father’s passing. I would like to offer my sympathies. Try to take care of yourself, it’s easy to forget that, at times like this. Best wishes, Cyra
April 27th, 2006 at 10:48 amAmerica has become the victim of identity theft…
…our futures are being “borrowed” away in this bullsh*t “Bush’s great Iraq-Afghanistan caper”…
…I do wish the government would stop sending my hard earned tax dollars to Halliburton!
April 27th, 2006 at 12:00 pmCliff,
Please accept my condolences on your father’s passing too.
Best of wishes.
April 27th, 2006 at 1:35 pm