Comments on: The Gaping Hole In Rove’s Defense http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/27/roves-defense/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:14:57 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: LizDexic http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/27/roves-defense/comment-page-2/#comment-528936 LizDexic Sat, 29 Apr 2006 15:37:11 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/27/roves-defense/#comment-528936 Concerning the Plame leak, did Rove attend one of those mandatory ethics classes led by Harriet Miers? Did Cheney? (This is my favorite part of the story. Can Republican hypocrisy get any more outrageous?) Concerning the Plame leak, did Rove attend one of those mandatory ethics classes led by Harriet Miers? Did Cheney?
(This is my favorite part of the story. Can Republican hypocrisy get any more outrageous?)

]]> By: Mitch Schapira http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/27/roves-defense/comment-page-1/#comment-527252 Mitch Schapira Fri, 28 Apr 2006 16:18:40 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/27/roves-defense/#comment-527252 Why would I lie, since I knew it would eventually come out that what I said was not the truth? 1. It might not come out until after the next elections cycle. 2. It might not come out at all. 3. If it did come out, I could always say "I forgot." 4. It's my word against hers. 5. It was Clinton's fault. You have a pre-9/11 mentality. Another question is why, once you found out that you had misinformed the Grand Jury, why did you sit on that information for 6 months, during which time Ashcroft went out, and Fitzgerald came in? Why would I lie???? Why was Saddam connected to 9/11? Why did he kick out the WMD inspectors? Why did he have WMD's. Visit the Schapira blog at <a href="http://schapira.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">What we know so far</a> ... <em> ... and tell 'em Big Mitch sent ya!"</em> Why would I lie, since I knew it would eventually come out that what I said was not the truth?
1. It might not come out until after the next elections cycle.
2. It might not come out at all.
3. If it did come out, I could always say “I forgot.”
4. It’s my word against hers.
5. It was Clinton’s fault. You have a pre-9/11 mentality.

Another question is why, once you found out that you had misinformed the Grand Jury, why did you sit on that information for 6 months, during which time Ashcroft went out, and Fitzgerald came in?

Why would I lie???? Why was Saddam connected to 9/11? Why did he kick out the WMD inspectors? Why did he have WMD’s.

Visit the Schapira blog at What we know so far …

… and tell ‘em Big Mitch sent ya!”

]]> By: Mitch Schapira http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/27/roves-defense/comment-page-1/#comment-527245 Mitch Schapira Fri, 28 Apr 2006 16:16:41 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/27/roves-defense/#comment-527245 Why would I lie, since I knew it would eventually come out that what I said was not the truth? 1. It might not come out until after the next elections cycle. 2. It might not come out at all. 3. If it did come out, I could always say "I forgot." 4. It's my word against hers. 5. It was Clinton's fault. You have a pre-9/11 mentality. Another question is why, once you found out that you had misinformed the Grand Jury, why did you sit on that information for 6 months, during which time Ashcroft went out, and Fitzgerald came in? Why would I lie???? Why was Saddam connected to 9/11? Why did he kick out the WMD inspectors? Why did he have WMD's. Visit the Schapira blog at schapira.blogspot.com ... <em> ... and tell 'em Big Mitch sent ya!"</em> Why would I lie, since I knew it would eventually come out that what I said was not the truth?
1. It might not come out until after the next elections cycle.
2. It might not come out at all.
3. If it did come out, I could always say “I forgot.”
4. It’s my word against hers.
5. It was Clinton’s fault. You have a pre-9/11 mentality.

Another question is why, once you found out that you had misinformed the Grand Jury, why did you sit on that information for 6 months, during which time Ashcroft went out, and Fitzgerald came in?

Why would I lie???? Why was Saddam connected to 9/11? Why did he kick out the WMD inspectors? Why did he have WMD’s.

Visit the Schapira blog at schapira.blogspot.com …

… and tell ‘em Big Mitch sent ya!”

]]> By: Jay Randal http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/27/roves-defense/comment-page-1/#comment-526890 Jay Randal Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:19:16 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/27/roves-defense/#comment-526890 Karl Rove is NOT an elected official of our government! He is an appointed stooge of the Bush Regime, whose position is paid by the taxpayers! We the people have a right to demand that he be fired for crimes against the state! He must be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and given the maximum prison time allowable by law! Karl Rove is NOT an elected official of our government! He is an appointed stooge of the Bush Regime, whose position is paid by the taxpayers! We the people have a right to demand that he be fired for crimes against the state! He must be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and given the maximum prison time allowable by law!

]]> By: WMD http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/27/roves-defense/comment-page-1/#comment-526824 WMD Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:10:59 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/27/roves-defense/#comment-526824 Lets not get ahead of ourselves. Rove has been implicated in many "illegal" activities and has yet managed to escape the long hand of the law. Lets not get ahead of ourselves.

Rove has been implicated in many “illegal” activities and has yet managed to escape the long hand of the law.

]]> By: Des http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/27/roves-defense/comment-page-1/#comment-526780 Des Fri, 28 Apr 2006 07:54:20 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/27/roves-defense/#comment-526780 It was mentioned that Rove did not initially recall his telephone conversation with Cooper “amid the hundreds of calls” he deals with each day. Ok, let’s be conservative and assume “hundreds” means 200 and let’s say each call lasts 3 minutes. This means Karl spends a solid 10 hours a day on the phone. So how did he get to be so rotund? He doesn’t have time to eat. It was mentioned that Rove did not initially recall his telephone conversation with Cooper “amid the hundreds of calls” he deals with each day.

Ok, let’s be conservative and assume “hundreds” means 200 and let’s say each call lasts 3 minutes. This means Karl spends a solid 10 hours a day on the phone.

So how did he get to be so rotund? He doesn’t have time to eat.

]]> By: KG Prophet http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/27/roves-defense/comment-page-1/#comment-526608 KG Prophet Fri, 28 Apr 2006 04:18:37 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/27/roves-defense/#comment-526608 OK, let me get this straight... 1. It has been proven (through Cooper) that Rove broke the law and leaked Plame's name. 2. He obviously remembered leaking her name because he wrote an email about it after. 3. He was contacted before testifying and told that it was known that he leaked to Cooper. 4. He then testifies that he doesn't recall leaking the name to Cooper. 5. NOW, he says that it would have been a "suicide mission" for him to deliberately lie and not confess when testifying earlier about Cooper. Right, it was. That's not a defense, it's an admission about how much trouble you are in. <i>Ruh Roh</i>, Rover is over. OK, let me get this straight…

1. It has been proven (through Cooper) that Rove broke the law and leaked Plame’s name.
2. He obviously remembered leaking her name because he wrote an email about it after.
3. He was contacted before testifying and told that it was known that he leaked to Cooper.
4. He then testifies that he doesn’t recall leaking the name to Cooper.
5. NOW, he says that it would have been a “suicide mission” for him to deliberately lie and not confess when testifying earlier about Cooper.

Right, it was. That’s not a defense, it’s an admission about how much trouble you are in.

Ruh Roh, Rover is over.

]]> By: theBender http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/27/roves-defense/comment-page-1/#comment-526261 theBender Thu, 27 Apr 2006 23:39:40 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/27/roves-defense/#comment-526261 I was once sued in small claims by a driver who ran his car into mine. His claim in court was that he couldn't have run into me because it wouldn't be logical for him to do so. He did not win the case. Karl's just about done. I was once sued in small claims by a driver who ran his car into mine. His claim in court was that he couldn’t have run into me because it wouldn’t be logical for him to do so.

He did not win the case.

Karl’s just about done.

]]> By: Marie http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/27/roves-defense/comment-page-1/#comment-526059 Marie Thu, 27 Apr 2006 21:27:46 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/27/roves-defense/#comment-526059 #42 CB "...they are showing their political bias, and their disrespect for our laws." So they should change their m.o. now? Do leopards change their spots? Of course, there is a double standard, carried out by the hypocrites called Republiscums, who think their farts don't stink, but everything Democratic is demonic. #42 CB
“…they are showing their political bias, and their disrespect for our laws.”
So they should change their m.o. now? Do leopards change their spots?
Of course, there is a double standard, carried out by the hypocrites called Republiscums, who think their farts don’t stink, but everything Democratic is demonic.

]]> By: O.J.Simpson http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/27/roves-defense/comment-page-1/#comment-526003 O.J.Simpson Thu, 27 Apr 2006 21:02:56 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/27/roves-defense/#comment-526003 I don't believe Karl lied. I won't rest until I find the real leakers. Would Karl be soo stupid as to lie to a federal grand jury. I didn't kill them although the blood matched my DNA, I mean I believe Karl. Would I lie? Would Karl lie? If you can't believe me and Karl, who can you believe? I didn't kill Nicole and Ron and Karl didn't lie, cover up and conspire to cover up? Karl is 100 percent innocent? If the case don't fit, you must acquit. I don’t believe Karl lied. I won’t rest until I find the real leakers. Would Karl be soo stupid as to lie to a federal grand jury. I didn’t kill them although the blood matched my DNA, I mean I believe Karl. Would I lie? Would Karl lie? If you can’t believe me and Karl, who can you believe? I didn’t kill Nicole and Ron and Karl didn’t lie, cover up and conspire to cover up? Karl is 100 percent innocent? If the case don’t fit, you must acquit.

]]> By: Cyra Brown http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/27/roves-defense/comment-page-1/#comment-525850 Cyra Brown Thu, 27 Apr 2006 20:00:00 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/27/roves-defense/#comment-525850 #17- You said about Karl: "indicted for anything more than Perjury, and Obstruction." Like it is no big deal? Hmm... Remember when President Clinton was impeached by Congress for perjury? The Senate did not convict him, though. If the Republicans are defending Libby for the same thing, and are trying to downplay Karl's situation as well, while freaking out for years, and continuing to do so even now, over Clinton, they are showing their political bias, and their disrespect for our laws. Why the double standard? #17- You said about Karl: “indicted for anything more than Perjury, and Obstruction.” Like it is no big deal? Hmm… Remember when President Clinton was impeached by Congress for perjury? The Senate did not convict him, though. If the Republicans are defending Libby for the same thing, and are trying to downplay Karl’s situation as well, while freaking out for years, and continuing to do so even now, over Clinton, they are showing their political bias, and their disrespect for our laws. Why the double standard?

]]> By: casey http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/27/roves-defense/comment-page-1/#comment-525847 casey Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:59:27 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/27/roves-defense/#comment-525847 if you havent seen the documentary "Bush's Brain" you should check it out. its all about karl rove and his political bashings oh im sorry i mean carreer. if you havent seen the documentary “Bush’s Brain” you should check it out. its all about karl rove and his political bashings oh im sorry i mean carreer.

]]> By: BCB http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/27/roves-defense/comment-page-1/#comment-525799 BCB Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:45:19 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/27/roves-defense/#comment-525799 “I have no idea whether we’ll find out who the leaker is — partially because, in all due respect to your profession, you do a very good job of protecting the leakers.” Shorter Bush: "We can lie and spin about this because I know you won't rat us out." “I have no idea whether we’ll find out who the leaker is — partially because, in all due respect to your profession, you do a very good job of protecting the leakers.”

Shorter Bush: “We can lie and spin about this because I know you won’t rat us out.”

]]> By: G.W.SuperChrist http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/27/roves-defense/comment-page-1/#comment-525777 G.W.SuperChrist Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:39:51 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/27/roves-defense/#comment-525777 # 36 - Thanks for the nod Marie. I agree that this is the critical point. At least on the surface - this appears to be enough to bring a perjury charge... right? # 36 – Thanks for the nod Marie.

I agree that this is the critical point.

At least on the surface – this appears to be enough to bring a perjury charge… right?

]]> By: John Gillnitz http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/27/roves-defense/comment-page-1/#comment-525773 John Gillnitz Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:39:09 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/27/roves-defense/#comment-525773 One word: pardon. One word: pardon.

]]> By: red_neck_repub http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/27/roves-defense/comment-page-1/#comment-525762 red_neck_repub Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:35:40 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/27/roves-defense/#comment-525762 Liars always lie about their lies and about the fact that they surely would have been stupid to lie in the first place. Except they rarely expect to be caught in a lie, but they usually are caught in a web of increasingly complicated lies. They usually can't remember which lie they told to whom. Eventually all the lies fall like a house of cards. Liars always lie about their lies and about the fact that they surely would have been stupid to lie in the first place. Except they rarely expect to be caught in a lie, but they usually are caught in a web of increasingly complicated lies. They usually can’t remember which lie they told to whom. Eventually all the lies fall like a house of cards.

]]> By: Marie http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/27/roves-defense/comment-page-1/#comment-525744 Marie Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:29:02 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/27/roves-defense/#comment-525744 Good catch, <em>#12 Sara and #19 GW</em> Of course, you make the critical point. Rove entrapped himself in a lie to the Grand Jury. I don't know if we will ever try someone for the treasonous act of exposing an CIA agent, but we certainly can find a number of BushCo staff who have lied under oath. We can even show that GW lied also -- except he never takes an oath. Good catch, #12 Sara and #19 GW
Of course, you make the critical point. Rove entrapped himself in a lie to the Grand Jury.
I don’t know if we will ever try someone for the treasonous act of exposing an CIA agent, but we certainly can find a number of BushCo staff who have lied under oath. We can even show that GW lied also — except he never takes an oath.

]]> By: Drew Mackenzie http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/27/roves-defense/comment-page-1/#comment-525710 Drew Mackenzie Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:14:02 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/27/roves-defense/#comment-525710 “I have no idea whether we’ll find out who the leaker is — partially because, in all due respect to your profession, you do a very good job of protecting the leakers.” Bush threw out a compliment, which on principle means that he had an alterior motive. Paraphrasing with the facts - as he and the press both new them at the time - he might as well have said: "I have no idea whether anyone will find out that Rove was the leaker on my orders - because the press has been doing a good job of protecting us." “I have no idea whether we’ll find out who the leaker is — partially because, in all due respect to your profession, you do a very good job of protecting the leakers.”

Bush threw out a compliment, which on principle means that he had an alterior motive. Paraphrasing with the facts – as he and the press both new them at the time – he might as well have said:

“I have no idea whether anyone will find out that Rove was the leaker on my orders – because the press has been doing a good job of protecting us.”

]]> By: jesus said make war http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/27/roves-defense/comment-page-1/#comment-525660 jesus said make war Thu, 27 Apr 2006 18:50:23 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/27/roves-defense/#comment-525660 imprison the entire bush cabinet and staffers. they are all disgusting imprison the entire bush cabinet and staffers. they are all disgusting

]]> By: Bob Lynn http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/27/roves-defense/comment-page-1/#comment-525651 Bob Lynn Thu, 27 Apr 2006 18:46:10 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/27/roves-defense/#comment-525651 Rember Cooper quoting Rove, "I've already said too much" to end the conversation. It's something you wouldn't forget if you had crossed a line you didn't intend to. Rember Cooper quoting Rove, “I’ve already said too much” to end the conversation. It’s something you wouldn’t forget if you had crossed a line you didn’t intend to.

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