BREAKING: Rove’s Legal Troubles More Extensive Than Previously Reported
BREAKING: Rove’s Legal Troubles More Extensive Than Previously Reported
It has been widely reported that Rove’s legal troubles center around his initial failure to tell prosecutors about his conversation with TIME Magazine’s Matt Cooper regarding Joe Wilson’s wife. In a new story, Murray Waas reports that Rove could also be in legal jeopardy based on the substance of what he said about his conversation with Cooper once he acknowledged it occurred. Here’s the critical point:
Rove testified to the grand jury that when he told Cooper that Plame worked at the agency, he was only passing along unverified gossip, according to people familiar with his testimony.
In contrast, Cooper has testified that Rove told him in a phone conversation on July 11, 2003, that Plame worked for the CIA and played a role in having the agency select her husband, former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson, to make a fact-finding trip to Niger in 2002.
Cooper has also testified that Rove, as well as a second source — I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, then-chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney — portrayed the information about Plame as accurate and authoritative.
So there is a big difference between Rove’s version of the story and Cooper’s version of the story. If Fitzgerald establishes that Rove is the one not telling the truth, it could potentially form the basis of perjury or obstruction of justice charges against Rove.
In short: Rove’s in even more trouble than we thought.
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I think Rove just broke out in hives.
April 28th, 2006 at 6:30 pmA gift that keeps on giving. Merry Fitzmas!
April 28th, 2006 at 6:34 pmFitzo de Mayo?
April 28th, 2006 at 6:35 pm‘Twas the night before Fitzmas, and all through D.C.
The Senate stood empty, just waiting to see.
The Grand Jury listened to Fitz with much care,
He hoped that the votes all would be there.
Ken Mehlman and Rover all snug in their beds,
While visions of November danced in their heads,
And Dick in his bunker, as “W†did sip,
A drink from the flask he poured through his lips.
When out at the Post arose such a clatter,
They sprung from their cubes to see what was the matter.
Away to the phones they flew like a flash,
Called up their sources who asked for some cash.
The Times of New York had the lights all aglow,
As they savored the scuttle they knew soon would flow.
When, what to their wondering eyes should appear,
But a signature sheet with twelve names written so clear.
With Old Crow in his throat, George W then spits,
He knew in an instant it must be the Fitz.
More rapid he guzzled, his Party might lose,
So he bristled and shouted while chugging his booze.
Now Karl! First Libby!
Damn Fitz you vixen!
Lost Browny then Scotty!
Who else are you fixin’
To topple from power!
We’re takin’ a lickin!
Now damn Fitzy, damn you!
Damn you this hour!
If not for those levees and Katrina’s wrath,
Dear God, why all these obstacles, who chose her path?
You live in the big house, but the White House is blue,
What else can go wrong, will Dick Cheney go too?
And then in a tantrum, he ran to the roof,
The stomping and kicking of each little hoof.
As he pulled out his hair and was turning around,
Up through the hatch big Barbara came with a bound.
In blue robe with white dots, from her head to her toes,
Yes her clothes were old fashioned, but everyone knows.
A bag of buckshot she held in her hand,
Then she told him that Karl could not take the stand.
His jaw how it twitched, his chin to and fro,
His cheeks were like roses, his nose white from blow!
His droll little mouth was drawn up like a bow,
She pulled on his ear…you’re back on the snow!
The shaft of a pen he held tight in his fist,
And the smoke it encircled, man was he pissed.
He made a mad face, then reached for the lead,
He shook it and scowled, I wish he were dead.
Righteous and pompous, a nasty old soul,
She slapped him and said, pull Cheney from the hole.
A wink of his eye and a grin on his face,
Soon Fitz he would show that he should stay in his place.
He spoke not a word but went straight to his work,
And filled all the shotguns, then turned with a jerk,
And with shaking fingers, he dialed the phone,
Dick Cheney I need you, he said with a groan.
Dick called for his chopper, to his team gave a whistle,
And away they all flew like the down of a thistle.
But I heard him exclaim as he flew out of sight,
Happy Fitzmas to all and we’ll get him tonight!
read more observations here:
http://www.thoughttheater.com
April 28th, 2006 at 6:36 pmyeah but if they make Cooper out to be a liar, then it is the “liberal media” jumping all over the “valiant’ Karl Rove.
April 28th, 2006 at 6:40 pm#5 – The super talented Daniel DiRito everyone!
April 28th, 2006 at 6:40 pm*applause* *standing ovation*
Bill Clintons’ penis made me do it.
-Rush
April 28th, 2006 at 6:40 pmAnd it isn’t looking good for yet another friend of the Jailbird Party.
http://tinyurl.com/nco9e
Hookers, drugs, fraud, dirty tricks, and lies, lies, lies.
Remember how the GOP won the last election on “values”?
April 28th, 2006 at 6:40 pmSo now we know why the “re-shuffle.” If Bush loses Rove, he’s going to need Tony Snow more than ever.
April 28th, 2006 at 6:40 pmAt this point they could get a tape recorder to replace snow, just have it say “we can’t comment on an ongoing investigation” over and over again.
April 28th, 2006 at 6:44 pm#5 DiRito
April 28th, 2006 at 6:48 pmBravo! applause, applause.
#5 that was awesome, good as Neil Y!
April 28th, 2006 at 6:54 pmIf both Rove and Libby “portrayed the information about Plame as accurate and authoritative” not only did Rove “perjure” himself, he also “conspired” with Libby, Cheney, Hadley and Fleischer to out Valerie Plame. Didn’t he?
April 28th, 2006 at 7:00 pmmmmm, that is interesting. what this tells me is that cooper can pin rove with violation of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982:
all the elements are met with rove, if cooper is correct;
i am getting EXCITED that perhaps rove will get indicted for the BIG ONE–the violation of the underlying statute AND the various libby charges that pertain to him.
further, if cooper can pin this on rove, then libby’s indictment may get amended!!!!!
YIPPPEEEEE!!!!!
April 28th, 2006 at 7:03 pmAnd Limbaugh! Oh happy day!
April 28th, 2006 at 7:05 pm#14
unfortunately, under the IIPA statute, conspiracy is only charged when the underlying purpose of the release of the information is to cause the usa harm. that would be nearly impossible to prove…
whether there would be some sort of RICO conspiracy charge is another matter. who knows?
April 28th, 2006 at 7:06 pmWaas is a bit of a liar. Here’s what Cooper wrote in his e-mail to his editors:
Cooper wrote that Rove offered him a “big warning” not to “get too far out on Wilson.” Rove told Cooper that Wilson’s trip had not been authorized by “DCIA”—CIA Director George Tenet—or Vice President Dick Cheney. Rather, “it was, KR said, wilson’s wife, who apparently works at the agency on wmd [weapons of mass destruction] issues who authorized the trip.”
So in Waas World, “apparently” is the same as “authoritative”. Yeah, I can see how Rove would release Cooper from confidentiality to implicate him in having lied. Seems like the wise thing to do. If Cooper did say that it was “authoritative”, then his own e-mail conflicts with that, and it will be his word against Rove’s. If Fitzgerald expects to get a conviction out of that… Well, he may not be all he’s cracked up to be.
April 28th, 2006 at 7:08 pmNice. Brother Murray is de-lovely.
April 28th, 2006 at 7:19 pm#18 Seems your only hope now is that a seasoned prosecutor is not all he’s cracked up to be. Pin your hopes on that.
April 28th, 2006 at 7:29 pm#20: Well, I don’t rely on Murray Waas and MSNBC telling the truth, so I doubt it will ever come to the point of Fitzgerald showing himself not to be all he’s cracked up to be. If he indicts Rove on these grounds, as Waas says he will, then he’s a fool. He’ll never get a conviction on that. He has a weak case against Libby already.
Waas and MSNBC lie all the time, so I don’t take a whole lot of stock in what they are selling.
April 28th, 2006 at 7:32 pmSadly I have to wait until somthing actually happens before I express any joy…but the anticipation is killing me.
April 28th, 2006 at 7:32 pm#16: And Limbaugh! Oh happy day! – - This arrest was a BIG win for Rush. He plea bargained for this and he can thank legendary atty. Roy Black for saving his fat ass.
April 28th, 2006 at 7:33 pmWaas is a bit of a liar. Here’s what Cooper wrote in his e-mail to his editors
He wasn’t under oath, doofus!
nervous much?
April 28th, 2006 at 7:37 pmMay 5th is my Birthday, happy birthday to me!
April 28th, 2006 at 7:44 pm“big warning†not to “get too far out on Wilson.â€
So Rove was warning Cooper not go out on a limb and publish anything to support Wilson because the White House was putting out the story that Wilson’s wife was the one that sent Amb. Wilson to Niger and not the CIA.
Since this is a flat out lie, Rove was actively engaged in discrediting Wilson’s Op-Ed and Wilson’s creditability. Rove was engaged in a conspiricy against Wilson.
Rove and the rest are in big trouble and they know it.
April 28th, 2006 at 7:46 pmYup thats right conservatives and Repubs, we are having a flesh-feasting, red-meat ripping, moon-howling, batty ol’ good time- you are welcome to join in on the fun!
April 28th, 2006 at 7:47 pmDeath to GOP: Nervous? No, I don’t really give a damn if Fitzgerald indicts Rove. I’m just saying that the facts don’t support what Waas is saying, nor do they support a sane indictment of Rove.
Why would Cooper lie to his own editor about his convo with Rove? I’ll believe his e-mail rather than Waas’ speculation about his testimony for the grand jury. Waas is a serial liar and fraudster.
April 28th, 2006 at 7:50 pmThe suspense is killing me!
April 28th, 2006 at 7:52 pmBe still my heart!
Will we see Rove indicted?
Will we see Rove indicted?
I don’t know, but the media has kept the Left wondering since last summer, only to be disappointed again, and again, and again.
April 28th, 2006 at 7:56 pmSeixon the troll of trolls.
You are one dishonest troll. You distort every fact and lie about everything. You sure seem incapable of tell the truth about anything.
Did Larry Johnson ban you from his site? You still have an account at TPM?
I think we can wait for Fitz to do whatever he is going to do for Rove. I am sure it will honest and very Amercian. By the way, what country do you work for? It can be America because if you do work for the AmericaN GOVERNMENT all of your posts indict you as an enemgy of the state, treason is word.
Troll, I suppose you like the the favorite troll line, “I just happen to find this site by accident.” Then the second best troll line is, “Well, I got to go, I done what I wanted to do here.”
Ah, the stink of a troll.
I have to go now I am cooking dinner. The other night I burnt it screwing around with your nonsense.
April 28th, 2006 at 8:34 pmMay Karl Evil Rove get what he deserves.
April 28th, 2006 at 8:38 pmInvasion of Iran has already begun
SULAIMANIYA, Iraq (Reuters) – Iranian forces shelled Iranian Kurdish guerrilla positions inside mountainous northern Iraq early on Friday morning to repel an attack, a Kurdish official said.
“This morning Iranian Kurdish fighters infiltrated the border into the Iranian side and the Iranian army bombed the area and repelled them. The shelling hit Iraqi land at Sidakan,” said Saadi Pira, an official of the Iraqi Kurdish, Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, party.
There was no word on casualties in the shelling of the Iranian Kurdish rebels of the PJAK movement.
April 28th, 2006 at 8:52 pmSeixon, you do understand the difference between an email to your boss, and testimony in front of a grand jury, right?
Gee, wonder why Cooper’s testimony didn’t take the 30 seconds to recite his email, then.
Secondly, if you tell me I’m full of crap, and I turn around and tell my friend, “apparently, I’m full of crap” can I surmise you were just guessing, then?
April 28th, 2006 at 9:15 pmKarl Rove could end up indicted for perjury, but Dubya will pardon him if he gets convicted, so this whole thing becomes a travesty of justice and a charade! Sorry to say but the truth!!!
April 28th, 2006 at 9:24 pmRove’s going down!!! Well, I guess he IS Karl Rove, so W will find a way to get him out of this mess, legally or not (probably not).
http://www.lcoliberal.blogspot.com
Dennis Hastert is a HYPOCRITE! (No, really, I have proof!)
Right now on LCL
http://www.sunstateactivist.org
April 28th, 2006 at 9:24 pmKarl is a traitor. Rummy is a traitor. Kindofsleezy is a traitor. W is a traitor. That’s all folks.
April 28th, 2006 at 9:25 pmwhat i flushed this morning is more of a patriot than karl rove….
April 28th, 2006 at 9:27 pmOh, I forgot, Cheney is the bigest traitor of them all.
April 28th, 2006 at 9:27 pmMr. Rove, meet BUBBA, he is going to be your good friend soon. Pay no attention to the fact he has your name tattooed on both arms.
Long time coming, you sir, are a criminal to all humanity.
It will be a long time before all is made public what injustices this man is behind. All will be shocked.
Patriot my ass, he is responsible and/or behind the deaths of many innocent people, I mean many innocent REAL PATRIOTS.
April 28th, 2006 at 9:28 pmGood. Good riddance.
Pity it came so late.
April 28th, 2006 at 9:40 pmThere is nothing that the chimp and his family will NOT do.
They successfully hid their ties to Adolph Hitler, committed treason during that time too.
Dumbya-the-smarter was in the Bay of Pigs fiasco to his beady little eyes, he helped draft the plan to use hijacked planes to attack domestic targets and try to blame Cuba for it in the 60’s. (Operation Northwoods – just google it) – McNamara rejected it.
And what do you know on 9/11 they dusted big-daddy’s plan off and used it some 35 years later. Wonder why Neil Bush’s firm was in all three of the collapsed buildings on 9/10? All the company would say is they were “installing security devices” and declined to specify what those were. And magically all three buildings collapsed in a very orderly fashion.
And anyone is suprised that dumbya and co. would steal two elections? Suprised that we were lied into a war? Suprised that they are going to nuke Iran?
I’m not. Not at all.
April 28th, 2006 at 9:45 pmApril 28th, 2006 at 9:49 pm
Rove, rove, rove your boat… right into Leavenworth… How many more elections can you steal? Before you destory the Earth?
Who will take on the NeoCDons and their election-stealing machine?
Clint Curtis is mounting a congressional bid in Florida against Tom Feeney. As many of you know, Curtis was the programmer hired by Feeney to write election-stealing software a few years back. Since then, much has happened, including the suspicious death of the Florida Inspector General Raymond Lemme looking into the matter and the total media clampdown of any serious discussion of electronic election manipulation in Florida and across the nation. Curtis, a former Republican, became so disgusted by what he saw that he became a whistleblower. The whole sordid tale is chronicled on http://www.bradblog.com.
Here’s Curtis in his own words:
My name is Clint Curtis. I am running for the U.S. House of Representatives in Florida’s 24th Congressional District. This great district is currently represented by one of the most corrupt politicians in history. Having personally attended closed-door meetings where Tom Feeney spoke candidly about his aspirations of corruption forces me to provide this district with an alternative to this man. I will need your help.
http://www.clintcurtis.com
Now Curtis is now taking on the VERY well-funded Feeney. He promises to fight for fair elections and to expose electronic vote fraud. He is the ONLY candidate who will take it to the NeoCons on this issue.
Because of his willingness to take on election fraud, I believe Curtis may be the single most important candidate for the progressive community to promote. Please visit his web site and offer to help, donate even $5 if you can spare it, and help spread the word. It’s time to TAKE BACK AMERICA–and Mr. Curtis may be own only chance of overcoming a rigged election system.
April 28th, 2006 at 10:30 pmBuild more prisons!
April 28th, 2006 at 11:34 pm#43 Nice presentation of the facts.
We need to build more prisons a.s.a.p. Move over Scooter, make room for the entire administration.
April 28th, 2006 at 11:37 pmadd another cell…
April 29th, 2006 at 12:04 amKarl?…this is Rush, we’ve had a really bad day,your lordship. I want some drugs real bad,got any?
April 29th, 2006 at 12:31 am#49
well, they can’t get them from the fda guy anymore… see my link in #48 :)
April 29th, 2006 at 12:36 amLIes from the adminstration coming home to roost! Drumbeat/upbeat.(bongo drums) Down with the machevellian propaganda machine. destroy the orwellian mafia! Wheres MY Soma? time for
April 29th, 2006 at 2:45 ammy second beer. (sorry long swing shift)
To SANTO GNENDE:Your type style on #1 and #52,and the GOOD NIGHT!!! sendoff on #51,look and sound just like,hhmmm,let me see,uuhhhh,oh that’s it,katy.See you manana.Nighty night senorita.
April 29th, 2006 at 2:51 am*** 2006 : A Wingnut Frolic ***
[Young Karl Rove, freshly beaten up by an equally young girl Democrat, resolves then and there to gain eternal revenge upon womankind, anything to the left of the Nazis, the Very Nation where his indignity was suffered, and all the salmon in the Klamath ecosystem. He knows that he must "harden himself". Thus - born again and never to be left behind - was "Karl 666" - the ultimately devious, ultimately sleazy talking Zuper-Komputer.]
[~50 Years Later in That Nation's White House...]
Jeff Gannon/Guckert/Hot Military Stud:
“Open the pod bay door, Karl”
Karl 666: [coyly] “I can’t Jeff…”
Jeff Gannon/Guckert/Hot Military Stud:
“Open the pod bay door, Karl”
Karl 666: “Daisy, Daisy, oh for a Daisy-chain…”
[Cue Strauss waltz and fade to brown]
April 29th, 2006 at 3:59 amRover, learn this phrase, you’ll need it inside:
Soy bueno in la cama!
April 29th, 2006 at 4:59 am# 55 SANTO; Now your talkin’. I tell ya what SANTO,after tonight let’s try a peace treaty.Don’t be pissed when you find some of the other’Fair Game’ stuff I wrote earlier;but feel free to comment.I did appreciate the Floyd lyrics;but what prompted ‘Mother’?Coming soon a ‘arrullo’for you.
April 29th, 2006 at 5:00 amAs long as I am practicing my spanish…..
To Dumbya:
Chinga tu Madre!
April 29th, 2006 at 5:13 amKarl’s never had legal pressure like this before and his architectural finesse is required for the mid terms. A Rove indictment will skewer the GOP. But what about Brain? Relentless stress can do terrible things to even the toughest professional. The blowtorch turned Scotty into a gibbering muppet. Soon we’ll know just how tough a wounded swiftboat “entrepreneur” can be under legal fire that he can’t control. Expect widespread collateral damage.
April 29th, 2006 at 8:12 amI just counted how many articles I have regarding the Valerie P. Wilson event and I have 109, that’s not counting just what I have under Murray Waas. My point is when I started my collection I marked the Bookmark Folder “Hisroveness” . To quote the Texas State DPS officer when I asked him how he determined I was speeding , actual quote ” I had a feeling about it”. I hope my feeling about Karl is right.
April 29th, 2006 at 8:15 amI love it when Mo Do goes on a jihad against a specific person. Poor Rummy. He never should’ve taken that swipe at Mo Do last month. Come peek through my knothole and see what she’s written.
April 29th, 2006 at 8:33 amI think that Waas should be very, very careful about what he writes about.
He is writing as though he has Grand Jury testimony, and he of course does not have transcripts. If a member of the GJ is feeding him stuff, well, a crime is being committed.
What I am saying is that Waas, whom I like, has NO IDEA what Rove tesified to.
April 29th, 2006 at 9:32 amI’ll lay odds that…
…Fitzgerald employs the Rush Limbaugh- Barry Kirscher “justice” plan…
…to settle this Rove thing…
April 29th, 2006 at 9:43 amOh, Happy Day!
April 29th, 2006 at 10:15 amRove is one of the most dispicable characters in the history of US politics. \
He’s going down. Cheney’s next.
Until Rove is indicted it is just speculation! Fitzgerald should have charged him at the same time he did Libby, so some kind of legal game playing is going on! Rove himself does not seem to be fazed by what’s going on, or Dubya has told him that he will pardon him if convicted?!
April 29th, 2006 at 11:08 am# 64 SANTO;
Since you have that powerful modem going;will you please post SOMETHING’S ON THE MOVE by Tull for you and me.
April 29th, 2006 at 11:11 amIf we take over Congress and through impeachment run them out of office, then W won’t be able to pardon any of them…. just a thought.
April 29th, 2006 at 11:16 amPretty slick katy;while I have your attention,here is your assignment DARK AGES,Tull.Both of these fit in to your and or SANTO’s concept of things to come.Manana SUNSHINE.
April 29th, 2006 at 11:22 amMaybe he will receive a pardon. But I think by then, the damage will have been done.
April 29th, 2006 at 12:05 pmPost 71 Yes if Bush and Cheney are impeached, then they cannot pardon Rove or anybody else! But suppose Rep. Hastert becomes president > he might be told to pardon Dubya, Dicky and all the rest?!
April 29th, 2006 at 12:13 pmCharge them all at the same time. Bush and CHeney too. Lock them up to await trial. You can not pardon co-conspirtors.
April 29th, 2006 at 12:19 pm#75 Jay, impeachment will happen after the Nov. election. Hasstert will loose his seat, I guarantee it. A democrat will hold it and will be in lline for the presidency.
I suspect we will not have to wait till Nov. for a drastic change in the White House though, all of the major players are on the verge of a nervous breakdown. Without Rove running things, game over.
April 29th, 2006 at 1:35 pmPost 79 I like your optimism! I would like it to go that way, but the Bush Regime are dirty game players! Reason why Bush might attack Iran in October just to blow the November elections to bits?! Call them pirates because they have NO honor!
April 29th, 2006 at 1:42 pmI live in Illinois and I know for a fact that the folks in Hassterts district will not re-elect him. If he wins, the election was rigged.
If Bush attacks Iran, I agree the election will be blown to bits as will our country.
The pyschopath must be removed from power! And take that brown nosing, lying bitch Condi too!
April 29th, 2006 at 1:54 pmAs for this immigration thing, mark my words, the illegals will be given a choice…
Be considered a criminal or join the military. Hassterts district populates more illegal immigrants than any other district in the U.S. A new Army base is being built there as we speak (type).
I’ve tried to warn the Mexicans but they are convinced that their President is more corrupt than ours. If they had any brains they’d leave this country immediately.
Oh well, not my problem if the Mexicans have to kill the Iranians.
April 29th, 2006 at 2:00 pmi’m in illinois too – where is this new army base being built?
April 29th, 2006 at 2:08 pmaren’t they in process of closing down many, or already closed?
“[T]he people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.â€
— Karl Rove (oops!) Hermann Goering
Comment by plunger — April 29, 2006
Great comment plunger! Great quote, and I think it is so appropriate right now, with the current occupants of the WH.
Also, we have noticed a trend toward the supressioin of free speech in the last 6 years, and it is growing. Being spied on is now commonplace for us now too. I feel like I’m trapped in a bad nightmare.
April 29th, 2006 at 2:26 pm#83 katy, The Army has a base at Midway Airport. That base is closing (secretly) and a new one is being built in Aurora. I know people who work on the base and are very upset that their daily commute will now be steering west on the Reagan Expressway (I-88).
Aurora has the largest population of illegal Mexicans in the country is a part of Hassterts district.
Hasstert has big plans for the illegals.
April 29th, 2006 at 2:35 pmnew! watch john bolton squirm!
April 29th, 2006 at 2:37 pmcrooksandliars
Post 85 maybe that is NOT a new base being built, but one of the new Halliburton constructed detention/labor camps? Cheney’s old company received a half billion contract to build camps or convert old military bases into camps! Hastert is a fat idiot and probably wants all the Mexicans rounded up in his district and put into a labor camp! Eventually these camps may be filled with Americans who oppose the Bush Regime?!
April 29th, 2006 at 2:45 pm# 81 Stupid Republicans:Live in Illinois huh;well guess what,katy does too.She said so the other night;I can find it if need be.I’ll bet SANTO GNEDNE does too.Ill bet they’re all using the same computer too.Must be fun talking to yourself like this.You slipped up there,katy/S.R..Now for my punishment mentioned before:I get to see ‘ya’ll’ in that mini skirt without your thingies,in the cama:AND THEN GO BLIND!
April 29th, 2006 at 3:49 pm#74
great rove/goerring quote! absolutely perfecto!
peace.
fcuk bush
April 29th, 2006 at 3:54 pmRove’s Legal Troubles More Extensive Than Previously Reported
Apparently. so is the government’s:
FBI Investigated 3,501 People Without Warrants
Received Details From Banks, Credit Card, Telephone and Internet Companies
By MARK SHERMAN, AP
WASHINGTON (April 29) – The FBI secretly sought information last year on 3,501 U.S. citizens and legal residents from their banks and credit card, telephone and Internet companies without a court’s approval, the Justice Department said Friday.
It was the first time the Bush administration has publicly disclosed how often it uses the administrative subpoena known as a National Security Letter, which allows the executive branch of government to obtain records about people in terrorism and espionage investigations without a judge’s approval or a grand jury subpoena.
http://articles.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20060428191709990025
April 29th, 2006 at 4:05 pmlots of info from crooksandliars may help explain alot of this
April 29th, 2006 at 4:50 pmMurray Waas’s new piece on Rover
firedoglake also…
#87 From what I’m gathering, the pugs are planning to detain the illegals at the new base. Using Midway Airport for detainees would not have worked for them. (too busy) They will be given a choice, go to jail, be deported or fight for your “new country”.
I’m not saying I’m opposed to the plan of forcing the illegals to put up or shut up, something has to be done. I’m sick of their arrogance and their total lack of respect for real Americans who fought for the freedoms we have in this country. They should march in their own streets if they want change like we have had to do for 2 centuries.
Guru, you’re delussional. Millions of people live in Illinois. We aren’t backwoods rednecks like you where everybody is related to everybody.
April 29th, 2006 at 5:04 pm#93 Fag
April 29th, 2006 at 7:14 pm#31, EasyRider: Did Larry Johnson ban you from his site? You still have an account at TPM?
No, I’m still waiting for him to reply. LOL. Apparently he needs a few days to figure out how in the world he is going to spin the fact that I took him to the cleaners.
April 29th, 2006 at 7:16 pmhey now, there’s no good reason to be slandering gays by branding a freak like “guru” that way… but you know that…
April 29th, 2006 at 7:58 pm#87 you are 100% correct about the purposes of dumbya’s concentration camps.
He learned from grand pappy shrub. The bush family absolutely adored Hitler. I find it funny that they now seem to take exception when called what they actually are – Nazis.
Prescott managed a factory that used slave labor from Auschwitz. In Oct. 1942 their assets were frozen for violating the trading with the enemy act. (funny that was swept under the rug almost as fast as Jebs Bankok adventures)
April 29th, 2006 at 8:33 pmSorry to post in parts, but I just remembered that the legislation has been changed so that the “detainees” can be force to work for the govt.
Sounds so much like 1930’s germany doesn’t it?
April 29th, 2006 at 8:35 pm# 92 @GURU – maybe before you start critizing someone for a minor typo you should learn how to use proper grammar and structure sentances correctly. Are you sure you haven’t got 6 toes and married to your mother?
April 29th, 2006 at 8:37 pmYeah, I mean, prisoners in our own country don’t work or anything… Zzzzz….
April 29th, 2006 at 8:38 pmO peratioin
I raqi
L iberation
They thought they were so clever, until people caught on. We knew from the get-go that it WAS about the oil.
April 29th, 2006 at 8:44 pmLovell, what’s that above you?! A black helicopter?!?! RUN!
April 29th, 2006 at 9:56 pm#102 SANTO: I heard that.
April 30th, 2006 at 12:37 am# 99: Again with the mother complex:What’s up with that,katy?
April 30th, 2006 at 12:47 am# 107 SANTO: 1] What’s over? 2] ‘’special agent of what? 3]If G.W.B. is Anti-Christ,like I suspect,it’s a long way from being over. 4] Why no comment on the beautiful lullaby for you?
April 30th, 2006 at 11:08 am#58 Guru, “Now your talkin’.” I think you meant you’re.
April 30th, 2006 at 11:45 am#93 Guru, “If you can’t spell it,you probably don’t know it’s meaning.” I think you meant its.
# 109 ‘Lily’ :I humbly accept your corrections.
April 30th, 2006 at 12:13 pm” Keep your eyes open and prick up your ears-
—-rehearse your loudest cry:
There’s folk out there who would do you harm
—-so I’ll sing you no lullaby.”
”It’s as well we tell no lie
April 30th, 2006 at 12:36 pm—-to chase the face that cries~
And little birds can’t fly
—-so keep an open eye.
It’s as well we tell no lie
—-so I’ll sing you no lullaby.”
# 109 ‘Lily’
…”You crush the lilly in my soul.”
April 30th, 2006 at 3:49 pmYes Virginia, ther is a Santa Claus! My compliments to the fantastic “night beforre”; that is terriffic! I think the “Domino effect” is about to happen! I am amazed how stupid some American people were to fall for all the crap and re-elect GWB.
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