Russia Playing a Dangerous Game That Could Spark The Next War
Russia Playing a Dangerous Game That Could Spark The Next War
Russia announced this week that it would proceed with a plan to sell 29 sophisticated anti-aircraft missiles to Iran, spurning a call by the Bush administration to not “continue with the arms sale.â€
Rosa Brooks writes today in the Los Angeles Times that the Russian-Iranian deal is cause for alarm because it could precipitate the next war, a war between Iran and Israel. Brooks writes that Russia is playing a deceptive “double game†that could initiate such a war in the near future:
Russian leaders continue to mouth the usual diplomatic platitudes about democracy and global cooperation, but Russia is actually playing a complex double game. On Tuesday, Russia launched a spy satellite for Israel, which the Israelis can use to monitor Iran’s nuclear facilities. On the same day, Russian leaders confirmed their opposition to any U.N. Security Council effort to impose sanctions against Iran, and their intention to go through with the lucrative sale of 29 Tor M1 air defense missile systems to Iran.
Sergei Markov, a Russia expert at the International Institute for Strategic Studies, spoke this week about the dangers of the Russian missile deal:
[W]e realize perfectly well that as soon as Israeli intelligence gets information that the missiles have been dispatched to Iran, it is very likely that the missile attack against Iranian nuclear facilities will be launched particularly at that moment by Israel.
Brooks writes a regional war would draw the U.S. into the conflict, causing the entire Middle East to “implode,†terrorist attacks worldwide to increase further, and the U.S.’s global influence to wane. Andrei Piontkovsky, a Russian political analyst, believes Russia’s oil and gas oligarchs won’t shed any tears over a war in the Middle East, especially if it keeps oil prices high.
The Bush administration’s lackluster Russia policy is proving extremely costly. Some have suggested the administration should demonstrate its displeasure with Russia by either convening a summit of the G-7 (excluding Russia) prior to the upcoming G-8 summit or to boycott the summit altogether. But “the Bush administration appears to be asleep at the wheel, too distracted by Iraq, skyrocketing gas prices and plummeting approval ratings to devote any attention to Russia’s potentially catastrophic mischief.â€
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So much for the ‘end’ of the Cold War… either as over or as cold.
Brace yourselves folks. This is liable to get really ugly.
April 28th, 2006 at 1:55 pmA large US military presence in the middle east, or US control of the oil fields in Iraq, and Iran, is something that the Russians would not be happy about. I am unsuprised, that the russians gave information regarding US military movements to Saddam at the start of GWII, or that they would sell arms to Iran to help them fight the US if a US invasion occurs.
April 28th, 2006 at 2:01 pmugly as sin…
April 28th, 2006 at 2:02 pmThis is what happens when you let toddlers play with the new Chemistry set. OOOPS!!!!
April 28th, 2006 at 2:07 pmI wonder what would happen if WOMEN were in power.
WTF is up with all this hate an aggression in the world?!
April 28th, 2006 at 2:09 pm#5 I wonder what would happen if WOMEN were in power.
About once a month each country would do something completly random and evil for no apparent reason.
April 28th, 2006 at 2:11 pmI wouldn’t exactly blame WWIII on Russia. I would tend to lay the blame on a certain someone deciding to make agressive noises at the people who supply 50% of Russia and China’s oil.
April 28th, 2006 at 2:11 pmWelcome to the end of days….
April 28th, 2006 at 2:12 pm6
LOL
April 28th, 2006 at 2:15 pm2 comments
1. Russia could spark the next war!? The U.S. has already accomplished that.
2. To MagnumDB- What would C. Rice do as president? Not much difference there. Aggression isn’t strictly a male trait, it is a trait of power.
April 28th, 2006 at 2:17 pm#6 – Ignoring, ignoring, ignoring…will…not…respond…
April 28th, 2006 at 2:19 pmIgnoring, ignoring, ignoring…will…not…respond…
Well then we know it’s not that time for you :)
April 28th, 2006 at 2:25 pmGood tip! I’m gonna buy me some Defense stocks today yesiree.
April 28th, 2006 at 2:26 pm#5 I wonder what would happen if WOMEN were in power.
About once a month each country would do something completly random and evil for no apparent reason.
Whereas we manly men can manage to be random and destructive every day of the month.
April 28th, 2006 at 2:29 pm#12 – Keep track of that would you?
April 28th, 2006 at 2:29 pmNot a huge suprise here, given that China buys alot of Oil from Iran, but new according to Yahoo news.
http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/iran
I guess the question is, what do you do when the two second largest countries in the world oppose the largest country in the world over some pretty hefty security issues.
April 28th, 2006 at 2:30 pm#14 – Thank you, Gary. ;)
Seriously, this is a “game” this administration is not equipped to handle. That’s what makes it so scary and dangerous, in my opinion.
April 28th, 2006 at 2:31 pmI wonder what would happen if WOMEN were in power.
WTF is up with all this hate an aggression in the world?!
Comment by MagnumDB — April 28, 2006 @ 2:09 pm
Interesting you ask… there are actually studies on this very thing thwt show that when women in a culture have equal rights with men, that the economy flourishes, crime rates drop, populations level off or decline slightly, war is limited, and that the population as a whole is healthier.
For examples, look at countries with equal rights laws and ideologies – Sweden, Germany, Denmark, Canada, Austria, Norway ans Spain. And then at those with severe patriarchal cultures – just about any in Africa, the Middle East and China.
A true feminist doesn’t want better rights, she (or he) wants equal rights. And with merit.
April 28th, 2006 at 2:31 pmThank you, Gary, good response! I’ll agree to that!
April 28th, 2006 at 2:32 pmRussia and China intend to help Iran because they have cut oil deals with them, so do NOT act surprised about missile sales to Iran by them! Bush is the one who will ignite global WWIII by attacking Iran! Just do not assume the Chinese and Russians will sit this out > they will fight too against Bush Regime!
April 28th, 2006 at 2:32 pmSqueeky Toy and Tundra,
I am beginning to understand why you are both on very, very long dry spells…. :)
April 28th, 2006 at 2:32 pm#17 – ANVILHEAD, settle, settle…got your pills? Take an extra one today.
April 28th, 2006 at 2:34 pmThank goodness we have Kindasleazy Rice!
April 28th, 2006 at 2:35 pmNot only can she ice skate and play the piano, but knows all about Russia too!
#22 I am beginning to understand why you are both on very, very long dry spells…. :)
It’s cause I’m an asshole who lacks empathy. It’s really that simple.
#14 Whereas we manly men can manage to be random and destructive every day of the month.
Did your wife/significant other make you say that? I can lend you some pants if you need them. :)
April 28th, 2006 at 2:37 pmI seem to recall another country that sold arms to Iran for something in return once….hmmm…..I wonder who that was and who was in charge….hmmmm?
April 28th, 2006 at 2:37 pmIt’s cause I’m an asshole who lacks empathy. It’s really that simple.
Comment by squegeeboo — April 28, 2006 @ 2:37 pm
What happened? Mom finally take away your sippy cup at 11 and you never quite got over it? :)
April 28th, 2006 at 2:39 pm#25 – It’s cause I’m an asshole who lacks empathy. It’s really that simple.
Comment by squegeeboo
I had a feeling about this, but thanks for the confirmation. ;)
April 28th, 2006 at 2:40 pmSquegeeboo, don’t start! ;-) (I’d hate to hear what your comment would be if Wayne had said what Gary said!)
April 28th, 2006 at 2:41 pm#27 Nope, at 15. Havn’t spoken with her since, she knows what she did, and when she wants to apologize and return it, then our relationship can resume.
April 28th, 2006 at 2:41 pmI had a feeling about this, but thanks for the confirmation. ;)
Comment by Zookeeper — April 28, 2006 @ 2:40 pm
Don’t you wish all men were that frank up front? That they would tell you whether or not they are a raging jerk BEFORE you go out with them? :)
April 28th, 2006 at 2:42 pmIt is always smart to use arithmetic. So if you mess around in Ukraine Belarus Georgia Kyrgyzstan and Chechnya naturally should expect reaction from the Russians. They also never forget Afghanistan during the seventies and eighties and Russian humiliation during nineties. I guess they think is a pay time.
April 28th, 2006 at 2:43 pm(I’d hate to hear what your comment would be if Wayne had said what Gary said!)
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — April 28, 2006 @ 2:41 pm
I think ya’ll are safe today from being jointly called putzes. I-RIGHT-I seems to be taking the day off… or rather we are all getting the day off : )
April 28th, 2006 at 2:44 pmPost 30 ANVIL is being honest in admitting that the attack on Iran is to keep the GOP in power in DC! The only problem in the Bush Regime plan is that it will set off WWIII and in the end a Chinese or Russian nuke might hit Washington killing all the Republicans and Democrats too?!
April 28th, 2006 at 2:46 pmand when she wants to apologize and return it, then our relationship can resume.
Comment by squegeeboo — April 28, 2006 @ 2:41 pm
Your sense of humor is your saving grace, you know? : )
April 28th, 2006 at 2:46 pm#32 – Don’t you wish all men were that frank up front? That they would tell you whether or not they are a raging jerk BEFORE you go out with them? :)
If I ever get married again *gag* I’m having it put in the pre-nup.
April 28th, 2006 at 2:50 pm#30 ANVILHEAD – The American people are savvy now to BushCos tactics of using war and fear as political maneuvering and are tired of it. Hence the 32% approval rating. He’ll never get the support for this war you seem to think he will.
April 28th, 2006 at 2:51 pmI’m always careful to mark the raging jerk checkbox on all official forms.
April 28th, 2006 at 2:52 pmas much as i hate guns and violence, i suppose that if i heard on the TV that someone was watching my house and family with ideas of attacking those things because that someone didn’t like the way i handled my private affaris, that i would do what i could to arm up and proceed to protect and defend my property and family… just sayin’…
April 28th, 2006 at 2:52 pm#36 Your sense of humor is your saving grace, you know? : )
Thanks, it has saved me on more then one occasion.
Man anvilhead, I almost missed your question, but the 12 question mark sucked me right in, if you had stopped at 11 I don’t think I would have even known you had posed one.
“skyrocketing gas prices and plummeting approval ratings to devote any attention to Russia’s potentially catastrophic mischief.”
April 28th, 2006 at 2:54 pmHere that, you all need to start approving of Bush so he can deal with this issue, if you don’t and a war starts its all your guys faults for not understanding how important it is to approve of Bush, regardless of your free will to actually approve or not.
What the US needs to do is tell China and Russia that they can have all the oil they want from Iran if they just agree to stop helping them and help take out the crazies that are in power there. It’s obvious WHY those countries are abetting Iran, we just need to understand it and play at their own game. If we don’t, it will be Iraq all over again, yet much worse.
The economic interests of Russia and China cannot take precedence to the peace and security of millions of people.
April 28th, 2006 at 2:55 pmIf I ever get married again *gag* I’m having it put in the pre-nup.
Comment by Zookeeper — April 28, 2006 @ 2:50 pm
How would that work exactly? If he’s a jerk, you get everything and he gets lost?
I dated more when I lived in Boise than anywhere else. Perhaps I just need to quit picking cities reknown for their high gay populations, huh? It seems to let the straight guys think they can be extra jerky.
April 28th, 2006 at 2:55 pmI’m always careful to mark the raging jerk checkbox on all official forms.
Comment by bhealy — April 28, 2006 @ 2:52 pm
So you are one then? :)
April 28th, 2006 at 2:56 pmPost 40 ANVIL > yes we wouldl all be killed in a global nuke war, or if you survive you are a mutation!
April 28th, 2006 at 2:57 pmAbout once a month each country would do something completly random and evil for no apparent reason.
Comment by squegeeboo — April 28, 2006 @ 2:11
Why do you hate women? It drips from your post; does “that thing down there” really frighten you so much? Why else would you liken it to something “evil”? Perhaps your mom’s was, but sheesh!
April 28th, 2006 at 2:58 pm#46 well actually I don’t consider myself one…but maybe every once in a while I’d take a stab at it.
April 28th, 2006 at 2:59 pmWhy do you hate women? It drips from your post; does “that thing down there†really frighten you so much? Why else would you liken it to something “evil� Perhaps your mom’s was, but sheesh!
Looks like we have a winner!
April 28th, 2006 at 3:01 pmwell actually I don’t consider myself one…but maybe every once in a while I’d take a stab at it.
Comment by bhealy — April 28, 2006 @ 2:59 pm
It’s the testosterone. You can’t help yourselves sometimes. : )
April 28th, 2006 at 3:02 pmSqugee and Tundra -
I was a little taken aback by you postings. You both usually have well written thought out postings. Even though I do not always agree with you you have never seemed to be on the attack. I have appreciated this.
How sad.
April 28th, 2006 at 3:03 pmThe real winners in this mess will be China, and India.
Those are the two emerging economic and military powers.
April 28th, 2006 at 3:04 pmIt’s the testosterone. You can’t help yourselves sometimes. : )
Yeah haha, the competitiveness, damnit I’ll be the best raging jerk there is…better than everyone.
April 28th, 2006 at 3:04 pm#37 Stopping hitting your head with that hammer. We went into Iraq to prove that we could secure their oil, but production is down, not up. We proved that we cannot go in and stabilize a country on the cheap. A war with Iran will bankrupt you and the rest of the United States along with you.
April 28th, 2006 at 3:04 pm“IF GLOBAL NUCLEAR WAR HAPPENS, YOU KNOW WHAT, I’LL ADMIT I WAS WRONG.”
and we’ll all feel so much better. Not! We won’t be here to listen to you admit you were wrong between sobs. We’ll all be underground in a bunker for the next 10,000 years waiting for the radiation to weaken to the point where we can live. Thanks Neocons!
April 28th, 2006 at 3:06 pmSorry about that double post. I was trying to stop “stopping” from going through.
#7 – Iran doesn’t supply Russia with oil, does it? Russia is one of the world’s top oil exporters.
April 28th, 2006 at 3:07 pmAren’t anti-aircraft missiles defensive weapons?
This “take ‘em out” mentality could really turn out to be bad karma. It has been before.
April 28th, 2006 at 3:07 pmJules, “I was a little taken aback by you postings.”
In this thread? All I’ve done is joke.
“You both usually have well written thought out postings.”
April 28th, 2006 at 3:08 pmYou clearly have never read the majority of my postings, normally I go off on a tagent based off of flawed logic, it seems to really irritate Unbelievable, so I’m sure she could back me up on this one.
The real winners in this mess will be China, and India.
Those are the two emerging economic and military powers.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — April 28, 2006 @ 3:04 pm
They have nothing to lose. And I think that gives a nation with billions of people an advantage over one with mere millions…
April 28th, 2006 at 3:08 pmit seems to really irritate Unbelievable, so I’m sure she could back me up on this one.
Comment by squegeeboo — April 28, 2006 @ 3:08 pm
I don’t take you that seriously to get irritated. Sorry. I’m in here for fun. It takes a lot to get me really mad in real life.
But, sure, your logic is routinely fallacious. Hope that helps :)
April 28th, 2006 at 3:11 pmRussia is one of the world’s top oil exporters.
Comment by Albert — April 28, 2006 @ 3:07 pm
True.
I read somewhere that Russia’s interest in the region has more to do with containing a radical Muslim regime (Russia has Muslim minorities, i.e., Chechenya), and with exporting its military and nuclear technology, as well as oil-drilling capabilities & know-how rather than having an eye on Iran’s oil. I would have to look up the article/analysis.
April 28th, 2006 at 3:12 pmSquegee, there are some things that should not be joked about, especially in mixed company.
April 28th, 2006 at 3:13 pmThe only way to deal with a Russian double-game is to mount international pressure by all who do a great deal of business with it and/or have enough leverage to ask it to desist. It can hardly be in anyones interest if the middle-east goes down the toilet. Of course for Dubious to provide any kind of leadeship or ideas is a serious waste of time.
P.S.- Why don’t you shut the f*** up ANVILHEAD and return to your mental asylum.
April 28th, 2006 at 3:14 pmTHANK GOD BUSH WONT LET THIS IRANIAN MADNESS CONTINUE
Comment by ANVILHEAD — April 28, 2006 @ 2:31 pm
Right, he’s doing a heckuva job. Let’s just ignore the fact that it’s because of Bush and his policies that Iran is in the position they are in right now. Iran is the defacto power in the middle east now and don’t have to worry about Saddam keeping them in check.
You know if we do go to war with Iran we’re going to have to cut some serious taxes to pay for it.
Plus we would need a draft, so Anvil where do you live so I can contact your Marine recruiter? Have any kids? I need their SSN’s, I’ll save you the trouble and sign them up myself.
April 28th, 2006 at 3:15 pmUnbelievable,
April 28th, 2006 at 3:16 pmSexism from common posters is a bit curious, eh?
They’re a little bit like the Neo-crooks; blending in
looking like regular folks until they open their mouths…
when the feces starts flowing out they easily identified.
Squeegeblow, get a grip! This is about Iran, Russia &
the Snowjob boys, not women.
Jules, “there are some things that should not be joked about,”
and thats where you and I differ, I look for the humor in every situation, and it’s definitly put my foot in my mouth more then a few times.
But at least I used a modicrum of taste in my comment, unlike barfly(and tundra, allthough I did feed him the line)
I will keep this in mind though, so as to not upset your delicate sensibilities, and altercations such as this will hopefully not happen in the future. (sorry its friday, and at this point with the project I’m working on all I have left is humor, regardless of how crass it is.)
#66 Squeegeblow, get a grip!
April 28th, 2006 at 3:20 pmZimzone, get a joke!
I will keep this in mind though, so as to not upset your delicate sensibilities
Geez, thanks so much for realizing that perhaps someone may be offended by stereotypes. I knew you were the party of compassion!
April 28th, 2006 at 3:24 pmJules, “there are some things that should not be joked about,â€
and thats where you and I differ, I look for the humor in every situation, and it’s definitly put my foot in my mouth more then a few times.
But at least I used a modicrum of taste in my comment, unlike barfly(and tundra, allthough I did feed him the line)
The self-effacing schtick is also wearing thin; you overuse it to the point of absurdity. Does that work when you’re brownnosing the boss?
April 28th, 2006 at 3:25 pmamerica, believe it or not, there are OTHER countries on the planet. russia has a legitimate soverign right to sell arms to iran.
the us supports israel with some say 200 nuclear weapons, and millions of dollars of military aide every month. the us is giving india nuclear weapons; pakistan has nuclear weapons; china and russia as well. but NO NO NO iran can’t possibly protect itself!!!! the us has a self-proclaimed pre-emptive war mentality.
i would suggest that people begin to realize that is perfectly RATIONAL for iran to defend itself in whatever way they see fit. they are a SOVERIGN state!!! the usa does not RULE THE WORLD…
it all such american arrogance…
April 28th, 2006 at 3:28 pmSexism from common posters is a bit curious, eh?
Comment by Zimzone — April 28, 2006 @ 3:16 pm
I figure, from the extreme right patriarchs, it’s a result of fear. Fear that there’s more competition for jobs and money, and that to many modern women, they have become obsolete. Who has to put up with a prick when you have your own means?
Personally, I have more male friends than female friends. But I don’t think the sexist men can be friends with women, so they are usually easy to spot, and ignore : ). I think they are a dying breed, fortunately.
April 28th, 2006 at 3:28 pmAlbert, I wasn’t aware of that, and you are right I was wrong. Thanks for the heads up.
April 28th, 2006 at 3:29 pmEverything is going according to the plan, just as the Fuehrer has predicted. The US invades Iraq and knocks out Iran’s counterpoint to the region. Iran becomes more bold after seeing the US tied up in knots in Iraq and proceeds with its nuclear plans. The Bolshevists aid both Iran and Israel, thereby increasing the chance for war in the region. The US comes to Israel’s aid and burns its military and what’s left of its economy out trying to conquer Iran. Russia becomes the de facto power in the region thereby scaring Europe into building its forces. Given that Germany is the most powerful economic and military force in Western Europe, the European Union becomes a German-dominated union by default thereby fulfilling the Fuhrer’s dreams of becoming the next superpower after the American Empire lies in ruins.
April 28th, 2006 at 3:30 pmThis is the same guy (Putan) that Dubya says, he looked into his eyes and could see his soul. I wonder if his soul is being honest when it says it wants a peaceful solution in Iran and continues to try to sell nuclear technology to Iran. Now the soul is selling Iran sophisticated anti-aircraft weapons to shoot down US or Israeli planes. The soul also launched a spy satelite for Israel. Man, the soul sure is busy playing all sides of the issue. I think we need to get Silvia Brown or some other psychic to contact the soul and tell it to stop medling in our business in the middle east.
April 28th, 2006 at 3:30 pmit all such american arrogance…
Comment by james risser — April 28, 2006 @ 3:28 pm
It’s not all of America, James. It’s a handful of extremists who have stolen our country and refuse to give it back. And those of us in here are against those radicals who’ve hijacked our country. You wanna go visit Red State.org for the insane 32% still supporting the tyrants in Washington. In here, you’re just singing to the choir.
April 28th, 2006 at 3:31 pm#69 Does that work when you’re brownnosing the boss?
I don’t brownnose, we already had this conversation, I believe work ethic will get you were you need to go. I treat my boss just like I treat my coworkers, as a friend, and it hasn’t failed me yet.
The self-effacing schtick is also wearing thin
April 28th, 2006 at 3:32 pmYet somehow insulting peoples families isn’t?
If Russia is giving aid to our enemies then they should be considered our enemy. Let’s attack Russia. Forget about all of these small countries that can easily be beaten down. I mean who has the US really pushed around lately. Iraq..twice, Panama, Grenada, Serbia, etc. We should show how tough we really are. What say you, neo-cons? This would be the great challenge you are looking for. If you can justify invading a country(Iraq) on such flimsy and false information then you should cetainly get behind invading a country that is openly aiding our enemies. Or does the taste of war seem too bitter if it is against a strong country? One that isn’t like the wimp with lunch money.
April 28th, 2006 at 3:33 pmPlaying the devil’s advocate here, we (the US) have pushed an agenda designed to extend US power not only over the middle east, and the large oil reserves there. I don’t know why we would be suprised that Russia wold hedge their bets, and play both sides of the fence. Lets face it, Russia has nothing to gain from American Hegomany in the Middle East. Why would we be suprised that Russia is looking out for its own national security?
April 28th, 2006 at 3:35 pmthis is the danger of neoconservatism.
read this article from the american conservative on the RATIONAL stance of the islamic republic of iran to an american administration gone mad!!!
it is telling that the american conservative is as vehemently against this extreme religious ideology of neoconservatism as are the progressive left! if you have time, look through their archives of the 2001 articles to see that they have been right about bush and his crime team for years!
and, for you that suckle on the nads of gwb, you and your crew are driving this new arms-race! iran is merely responding to defend itself from you maniacs and not vice versa.
April 28th, 2006 at 3:35 pmJames Risser – I agree with you. Do I want Iran to have weapons? No, but I also do not want any other country who may have an arguement with the US, but we are not the rulers of the world. Other nations have the right to protect themselves as they see fit.
April 28th, 2006 at 3:36 pm#75
yes, you are right. i misspoke: it is neoconservative religious extremist arrogance and not american.
i have no interest in speaking to those animals on redstate or those sniveling ann coulter panty-sniffers on any of those extremist websites.
peace.
April 28th, 2006 at 3:39 pmWar is bussiness, and Russia (as any bussiness) really doesn’t care who’s buying, just their bottom line.
April 28th, 2006 at 3:41 pmThe fundamentalists should be happy. This will bring on their armaggedan and the Rapture.
#80 Jules – you are correct. Other nations on this planet have a right to protect themselves. We need to get our troops out NOW from Iraq and Afganistan while the going is still good.
April 28th, 2006 at 3:42 pm#70
April 28th, 2006 at 3:43 pmThough I agree with about the arrogance part, you seem to be bit misinformed/wrong about a few things:
1. The incumbent president of iran goes around claiming that certains things should be wiped off the planet and is a hamas-sympathiser – could be problematic if iran has the capability to carry out his threat – self defence i think not
2. Russia is selling both sides (Israel and Iran) arms
3. I don’t know which country you from, but if a full-fledged war does break out there, apart from the humanitarian problems, oil prices are going to further go up
i have no interest in speaking to those animals on redstate or those sniveling ann coulter panty-sniffers on any of those extremist websites.
Comment by james risser — April 28, 2006 @ 3:39 pm
Don’t blame you!
We just don’t want the world to think it’s all of us here who agree with the war-mongering and egocentric lifestyles of our ruling class. We want the world to know that most of us want to be a part of the global society and not its bully. We just don’t seem to be running the show at present.
Peace to you in return!
April 28th, 2006 at 3:46 pmAttention ANVILHEAD:
Read: ‘Rebuilding America’s Defenses’ written September of 2000
Read: The Grand Chessboard (American Primacy and Its Geostrategic Imperatives) by Zbigniew Brzezinski
Then come back here and say with a straight face that we ‘dumb liberals’ don’t get it.
We get it. You don’t. The self-appointed Masters of the Universe (neocons) had planned these ghastly events decades ago, in the hopes of creating the long envisioned NEW WORLD ORDER. (see former president Bush sr. speech to congress, march 6, 1991)
I urge you to pull your head from your anal oriface.
April 28th, 2006 at 3:47 pmCNN has posted that Bush now says diplomacy with Iran will begin. What does that mean? Negotiations? Bombing? or just wait and see like North Korea. The US will never attack a country that has nuclear capabilities. Way too risky. Other nations want nukes just to keep the US out of their business.
April 28th, 2006 at 3:47 pmAnvilhead – I get a really creepy picture in my brain when I think about what you must look like, having a head shaped like an anvil. Anyway, what dimension in time do you exist in? You are so out of step with reality.
April 28th, 2006 at 3:50 pm(…)and is a hamas-sympathiser
Comment by Rix — April 28, 2006 @ 3:43 pm
Well, if by that measure we are going to gauge who is evil, then the whole of Palestine is evil -after all, Hamas did win in the parliamentary elections.
self defence i think not
Considering Israel has the largest nuclear arsenal in the region, and that they launched an air strike to destroy Iraq’s nuclear reactor in the 1980s, I beg to disagree.
Not to mention the meddling and bullying from successive occupiers of the White House…
April 28th, 2006 at 3:52 pm#84
1. you know it is interesting to hear the soundbits that are chosen about the iranian president. here is his argument, unexpurgated, unredacted:
now, we can intellectually consider his argument, or, can listen to cnn and fox soundbites of what the media wants us to hear. i choose the former, and i suggest those of us with a mind do likewise. i do not suggest you fall into that category at all by the way, but, my point is that you have to admit that the last paragraph of the quote above would NEVER be heard on american media
2. as for russia selling to both, well, why not? it is the arms business. i don’t want arms sold to anyone, but, i don’t share the mind of an arms-dealer… i know that they are using the american business model of the past forty years though…
April 28th, 2006 at 3:54 pmJames,
I was watching BBC world news one time, and they referred to the west bank settlements as ” the illegal Isreali settlements” or something close to that. I do know the word illegal was used. Point being that the news reporting about the middle east in europe and around the world is very different from how it is reported in the US.
It can be honestly debated that the state of Palistien did not exist before the creation of Israel. I am not trying to defend Isreal. There is plenty of blame on to go around for both sides. Keep in mind that much of the animosity that middle easterners feel towards the US and the west in general goes back to the crusades. Middle easternrs have very long memories.
April 28th, 2006 at 4:05 pmSanto – there are medications that will assist you with your anxiety.
April 28th, 2006 at 4:06 pmWell, if we are going to quote lyrics;
Roger Waters, The Tide is Turning.
April 28th, 2006 at 4:06 pmComment by Gregor Samsa
Here’s one for you, “Bush did win the presidential elections”- is the conclusion every individual in America agrees w/ him on every issue?
Apart from that the Palestinian problem is more complicated than that. Hamas provides the Palestinian ppl w/ social services – hence it enjoys popular support. Taking nothing away from the good Hamas might have done, they still beleive in the complete destruction of Israel.
The tragedy of the palestinian people can be summed up in one word – leadership. They earlier had the corrupt Fatah, and tiring from years of misrule chose Hamas. Devil and the deep sea.
As far as the pre-emptive strike goes, I don’t know whether Saddam was developing nukes – so can’t say whether they were justified or not, but as far the Iranian guy is concerned, He is actively calling for the destruction of a country, how can anyone countenance that?
April 28th, 2006 at 4:11 pmI really love women, especially strong, intelligent, independent ones. I say it’s time to let the ladies run things and see how it goes. (Condi isn’t a lady).
April 28th, 2006 at 4:13 pm#92
well said. there is lots of blame to go around. but, in this case, i would give the american neoconservative religious extremist zealots and isreal about 95% of the blame and would give iran and russia 2.5% apiece, with a margin of error of 5%… and, i trust the three in equally opposite percentages as to whom would be blame for world war iii.
April 28th, 2006 at 4:15 pmI always felt Waters was way better when he was part of Floyd then when he went solo.
April 28th, 2006 at 4:17 pmAs far as the pre-emptive strike goes, I don’t know whether Saddam was developing nukes – so can’t say whether they were justified or not,
Comment by Rix — April 28, 2006 @ 4:11 pm
Are you kidding? After everything that has come out in the past 3 years you can actually write this and believe it?
April 28th, 2006 at 4:19 pmJules
Are you kidding? After everything that has come out in the past 3 years you can actually write this and believe it?
I think the strike Rix is refering to is the Israeli strike in the early 80’s on an Iraqi nuclear reactor.
April 28th, 2006 at 4:23 pm#100 – squgee – read his post again – he is referring to the strike on Saddam – read his quote – “I don’t know whether Saddam was developing nukes”
April 28th, 2006 at 4:26 pm#45 – How would that work exactly? If he’s a jerk, you get everything and he gets lost?
Win-win for me, don’t you think? :-D
April 28th, 2006 at 4:29 pmOne important thing to note. The Iranian president, and his party are not very popular overall in Iran. With all the sabre rattling, that Bush is doing, he is stirring up anti-american sentiment in Iran, a country who pretty much hates us anyway. And has a good chance of doing exactly what the terrorist attacks did here, push the undecideds into the arms of a hard line government. Given that Iran is 10 years from producing a bomb, there is a good chance that this guy could be voted out of office, and a more moderate government could take over.
April 28th, 2006 at 4:31 pmJules
He’s responding to Gregors post, #89 that includes, “Considering Israel has the largest nuclear arsenal in the region, and that they launched an air strike to destroy Iraq’s nuclear reactor in the 1980s, I beg to disagree.”
It was called Operation Opera
And occured while Saddam was in power.
April 28th, 2006 at 4:31 pmGo ahead and boycott and march on Monday all illegal immigrants.
You are falling right into the hands of the Bush Nazi regime.
Yep, go on National Television and declare that you want the U.S. to be your home.
And then start packing your bags because you’re going to war.
You must prove your loyalty to America.
You must fight for America as our forefathers did.
Skip the English lessons,
speaking Arabic is much more important now.
Dumbasses!
April 28th, 2006 at 4:31 pmHere’s one for you, “Bush did win the presidential electionsâ€- is the conclusion every individual in America agrees w/ him on every issue?
Comment by Rix — April 28, 2006 @ 4:11 pm
Ok, I shouldn’t have spoken in absolutes -I should have said “the majority of Palestinians are evil because 60% of them voted for Hamas”.
Taking nothing away from the good Hamas might have done, they still beleive in the complete destruction of Israel.
My point exactly. A lot of Palestinians voted them into office -does that make them evil by your logic? Whatever the reason for their support for Hamas…
(…) as far the Iranian guy is concerned, He is actively calling for the destruction of a country, how can anyone countenance that?
Ahmadinejad is not suicidal -and neither was Hussein.
An attack on Israel would trigger a massive retaliation from the US.
Iran has more to fear from the US-Israel alliance than the other way around: Israel has launched preemptive strikes in the region and so has the US.
April 28th, 2006 at 4:33 pm#90
April 28th, 2006 at 4:33 pmMr. Ahmedijinad might have the best interests of the Palestinian people at heart, but IMHO he doesn’t know what he is talking about.
The Palestinian Arabs have had umpteen chances for a peaceful state living side by side with the Jewish state since 1948. Every time it has either been the other Arab rulers doing their bit of sabre-rattling invoking Arab sentiments and/or invading Israel. Or it has been the Palestinian leadership interested in grabbing the whole. Oh, I am not contending that the Israelis have been driven snow. But simply that if the Palestinians had any semblence of a political leadership interested in more than stuffing their own pockets there might not have been a dispute which has lasted so long.
I have problems with Mr. Ahmedijinad joining the league of other Middle east rulers and declaring that expulsion of the jewish people is going to solve all problems in the region.
#6, how is that different from the way this administration operates now?
#17, WHAT’S WRONG WITH PEACE, YOU TALK ABOUT IT LIKE IT’S A BAD THING? WE KNOW YOU NEO CONS HATE PEACE BECAUSE IT’S REFLECTED IN YOUR POLICIES, BUT WHY? WHAT’S WRONG WITH PEACE?
#37, DON’T YOU MEAN ALLOW DEMOCRACY TO FLOURISH? I MEAN DON’T WE WANT SELF DETERMINATION FOR THESE PEOPLE? ( I KNOW THE ANSWER IS REALLY NO, BUT YOU HAVE TO PRETEND)
#40, NO YOU WON’T REPUBLICANS NEVER ADMIT THEY WERE WRONG, EVEN WHEN CONFRONTED BY THE EVIDENCE. IF SUCH A WAR OCCURRED AND YOU LIVED YOU CAN STILL RESORT TO BLAMING THE DEMS BECAUSE THEY HAD NO POWER, SO IT MUST BE THEIR FAULT OR AT THE VERY LEAST IT HAS TO BE THE FAULT OF THE CLENIS
#58 yes they are, except when used by invading forces to provide air cover for the advancing troops. Of course the right wing kool aid drinkers will simply call them missiles and leave it at that, with the implication being that Russia has supplied them with ICBM’s tipped with MIRV’s.
Up to this point in time Bush has failed at everything except cronyism, and politcising everything, why would anyone think that he would be able to succed at another war with Iran, then Russia, then whomever is on the neo con boogy man list?
April 28th, 2006 at 4:37 pmI have problems with Mr. Ahmedijinad joining the league of other Middle east rulers and declaring that expulsion of the jewish people is going to solve all problems in the region.
Comment by Rix — April 28, 2006 @ 4:33 pm
This, I can agree on.
However, until Ahmadinejad does something, the rest of the world cannot slap Iran with sanctions for what they might just do. After all, any country, anywhere, might also just to something that contravenes international law and treaties (not to mention the ones that already have. Like the US. But I digress). In the meantime, Iran is in full compliance with the NPT, whether we like it or not.
The sabre rattling against Iran has more to do with access to natural resources than anything else.
Contrast the Bush administration’s current approach to Iran as opposed to their much-touted “success” with Libya/Khadaffi. Why not take the military option off the table and negotiate, just like they claim they did with Libya?
April 28th, 2006 at 4:43 pmComment by Gregor Samsa
You seem to be under the impression that I think the Palestinians are evil because they supported Hamas- a terrorist organistaion. For the record – no I don’t think they are evil regardless of whatever percentage voted for the Hamas. They voted for Hamas because of the fact that they were sick of the corruption festered by the Fatah, because Hamas runs schools and hospitals in Gaza and the West Bank and finally because Hamas reperesenst “freedom’ form the “evil oppressors”. Simple put “There was no alternative” – which does not either make Palestinians evil or put Hamas in the right.
April 28th, 2006 at 4:44 pmDon’t you wish all men were that frank up front? That they would tell you whether or not they are a raging jerk BEFORE you go out with them? :)
Well then none of us would ever get dates
April 28th, 2006 at 5:01 pm#111 – Brilliant!
April 28th, 2006 at 5:16 pmYou seem to be under the impression that I think the Palestinians are evil because they supported Hamas
Comment by Rix — April 28, 2006 @ 4:44 pm
It is clear to me that is not your opinion. I am merely pointing out inconsistencies in your contention that Ahmadinejad is a bad guy because he supports Hamas.
What I am trying to say is this -whatever the reason for their support for Hamas, fact remains Palestinians support a terrorist organisation, as you called it.
How do you reconcile hinting Ahmadinejad is “bad guy” because he supports Hamas, while trying to find excuses for the Palestinians? Is the reason for the support that makes all the difference, even if the end result is the same?
April 28th, 2006 at 5:17 pmDuck and cover.
April 28th, 2006 at 5:19 pm#114 or was that duct tape, plastic sheet and cover?
April 28th, 2006 at 5:24 pmA few thoughts:
April 28th, 2006 at 5:39 pmAhmedinejad is a ‘bad guy’ because his sabre-rattling does not help. It creates more animosity. His “innovative” solutions (expulsion of jews etc.) to the Palestinian problem are part of the problem. If Hamas has been chosen by the Palestinian people, then the intl community should (and is) making efforts to see that Hamas makes the transition from a terrorist organistaion to a normal functioning democratic political party which can learn to co-exist with its neighbours – and both the israelis and palestinians will benefit from this. Ahmedinejad efforts aren’t helping, to say the least. Moreover and more dangerously his sabre-rattling gives ammunition to the hawks in the west – “see we told you lets kick his ass”.
oh, and yes, we need a ‘normal functioning democracy in iran’… you have a democracy in iran and in palestine! what you mean is that hamas has to become an israeli puppet government and iran has to become an american puppet government. be good boys and listen to israel and america for they are the ‘decider’ of how you should act. be news: that isn’t going to happen.
before you buy that bushbullshit, at least read this article:
April 28th, 2006 at 6:09 pm
Well, I feel better knowing Commander Codpiece is on top of this. That trillion dollar investment we made wearing out our Army and equipment in Iraq will help us deal from a position of strength here. And, of course, John Bolten is the right person who will rally the world to our side….right?
Yes, the Republican neo-con vision of a “New American Century” sure has been catastrophic success.
April 28th, 2006 at 6:44 pmNow I am not some aggressive macho jerk but why is “that time of a month” off limits? We get the testosterone schtick and it doesn’t bother me. I don’t think either is a very good joke but why get upset about it?
April 28th, 2006 at 6:54 pmWe’ve already begun the invasion of Iraq
http://www.counterpunch.org/
SULAIMANIYA, Iraq (Reuters) – Iranian forces shelled Iranian Kurdish guerrilla positions inside mountainous northern Iraq early on Friday morning to repel an attack, a Kurdish official said.
“This morning Iranian Kurdish fighters infiltrated the border into the Iranian side and the Iranian army bombed the area and repelled them. The shelling hit Iraqi land at Sidakan,” said Saadi Pira, an official of the Iraqi Kurdish, Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, party.
There was no word on casualties in the shelling of the Iranian Kurdish rebels of the PJAK movement.
April 28th, 2006 at 8:48 pmTHe invasion of Iran has already begun
SULAIMANIYA, Iraq (Reuters) – Iranian forces shelled Iranian Kurdish guerrilla positions inside mountainous northern Iraq early on Friday morning to repel an attack, a Kurdish official said.
“This morning Iranian Kurdish fighters infiltrated the border into the Iranian side and the Iranian army bombed the area and repelled them. The shelling hit Iraqi land at Sidakan,” said Saadi Pira, an official of the Iraqi Kurdish, Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, party.
There was no word on casualties in the shelling of the Iranian Kurdish rebels of the PJAK movement.
April 28th, 2006 at 8:49 pmI think james risser did us all a favor when he posted Ahmedinejad’s words (#90) to show that ideas can be manipulated. Before you are able to bomb people with atomic weapons you have to demonize and dehumanize them. Only then, can the Neocons justify mass murder. They have to be able to say that it was self-defence. Don’t fall for it! Iranians are people just like us only they speak a different language which is sometimes very flowery and would not, under normal circumstances, want to start a war. We have to stop this or we will all live in shame!
April 28th, 2006 at 9:20 pm#122
why thank you, joe! i am happy that i could make a point on here and have it appreciated for what it says…
peace.
and fcuk bush
April 28th, 2006 at 9:33 pmNot so Fast with the Fear Factor..
This has been ongoing since I was a Kid, Now take a minute and breathe, the Missiles are Aircraft, not nuclear. Shoulder Fired Missiles have been around for a long time.
In the 1960s and ’70s, the United States sold some of its most advanced weapons systems to Iran, when it was led by Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi. Iran’s air force received F-14 Tomcats, F-5 Tigers, F-4 Phantoms, C-130 transport planes and helicopters manufactured by Bell, Boeing and Sikorsky. U.S. sales ended with the 1979 Iranian revolution. Iran’s war with Iraq from 1980 to 1988 helped deplete Iran’s forces. U.S. contacts with Iran were further restricted in 1995 when President Bill Clinton signed an order effectively prohibiting almost all trade and investment between the two countries.
Since that time, businesses with ties to Iran have been on a hunt in the United States for anything that can keep Iran’s military machine moving, federal agents said. Since 2002, there have been 17 major cases involving the illegal shipment of weapons technology to Iran, outpacing the 15 cases involving China, the other main nation seeking U.S. military goods, according to data provided by the Department of Homeland Security. Since 2000, the U.S. government has instituted 800 export investigations involving Iran.
April 29th, 2006 at 12:41 am# 91 SANTO GNEDNE/katy:you’re comments really touched me.Kinda’ like this:
”When we were young and went to school
There were certain teachers who
Would hurt the children any way they could”…
By the way;what’s your hangup with motherhood?I noticed you posted as ‘Mother’ or something on another thread.I bet you’ve never been a mother,have you.I’ts kinda’ sad;not that there’s anything wrong with that.
April 29th, 2006 at 2:07 amAlso SANTO/katy; atleast now you admit being fem..But my bet is your period was over years ago.Check with ‘Dr.Wu’,maybe he can get you the estrogen you so sorely need.
April 29th, 2006 at 3:07 amSANTO;This one’s for you.
April 29th, 2006 at 3:25 am”Find a way to reach her,make yourself a fool,
But do it with a little class,disregard the rules,
‘Cause this one knows the bottom line,couldn’t get a date,
The ugly duckling striking back,and she’ll decide her fate.”
Well over a hundred posts and I don’t see where anybody bothered to check on the article. The writer certainly didn’t bother to learn about the system, how it effects air battle or its military effect on the region. The Tor M1 (aka SA-15 Gauntlet) is a short/medium range point defense system. It is very similar to lots of other systems in lots of other countries and only slightly complicates the attack planof a competent military, which Israel’s most certainly is. Hardly the stuff that starts a war. If Iran deploys the SA-10 Grumble that would be more serious as it is a vastly more capable system. I believe the author is probably on firmer ground discussing the political implications but her military knowledge is so hopelessly inadequate that I have to question the rest of her article. Too bad so few posters here are likely to understand these points but maybe a few will.
April 29th, 2006 at 3:52 am# 117 nice article James – quite a comment that it appeared in a conservative mag tho. Did not kno about Duious’ meddling w/ the Khatami Govt. But should have been obvious. Its neo-conmen policy after all.
April 29th, 2006 at 4:30 amWin-win for me, don’t you think? :-D
Comment by Zookeeper — April 28, 2006 @ 4:29 pm
Absolutely! :)
April 29th, 2006 at 7:56 amWell then none of us would ever get dates
Comment by Tundra — April 28, 2006 @ 5:01 pm
Just the jerks? That could be really good for the gene pool then : )
April 29th, 2006 at 8:01 amRussia is doing to the U.S.
(in Iraq, Afghanistan and IRAN)
.. EXACLY what the U.S.-under Ronnie Raygun- did to them (in Afghanistan)…
…KARMA…
…”life’s a bi*ch”, and you know the rest…
April 29th, 2006 at 9:20 amWell, it seems pretty obvious to me – since the US hasn’t SAID A THING about the Russian moves – that the US is turning a blind eye to the Russians creating an arms race that will eventually solve the mideast crisis through total war.
It’s the “evil brain” theory that no one will fight over the holy land if it’s irradiated for 10,000 years.
April 29th, 2006 at 10:23 am#130
yes, it is quite something that it came from a conservative magazine. but, i have to hand it to that particular magazine: they had bush and his cruel neoconservatism nailed sevaral years ago!
April 29th, 2006 at 12:56 pmWant to know the outcome? Check out the Hopi Prophesy!
April 29th, 2006 at 1:50 pmElBaradei releases report
Tehran Times Political Desk
VIENNA – On Thursday, the UN’s International Atomic Energy Agency Director General Mohamed ElBaradei released a report on Iran’s nuclear program as demanded by the UN Security Council on March 29.
The confidential report was also circulated to Security Council members in New York. The report said the IAEA had taken samples on April 13 at Iran’s enrichment facility in Natanz “which tend to confirm as of that date the enrichment level (of 3.6 percent) declared by Iran.”
It said that during March, Iran completed a 164-machine cascade, referring to centrifuges arranged in series in order to enrich uranium, and that another two similar cascades were under construction at Natanz.
The Security Council had set Iran a non-binding, 30-day deadline — running out Friday — to comply with demands to halt enrichment, which makes the fuel for civilian nuclear reactors, but which can also be the explosive core of atom bombs.
According to AFP, in a first reaction, U.S. President George W. Bush said he wanted to resolve the dispute “diplomatically and peacefully,” while British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said London would ask the Security Council to raise the pressure on Iran.
ElBaradei also said in his report that Iran has failed to fully cooperate with UN inspectors trying to determine if Tehran’s nuclear program is merely for peaceful purposes.
The report obtained by the Tehran Times explains: “Apart from the small quantities previously reported to the Board, the Agency has found no other undeclared nuclear material in Iran. However, gaps remain in the Agency’s knowledge with respect to the scope and content of Iran’s centrifuge program.
“Any progress in that regard requires full transparency and active cooperation by Iran – transparency that goes beyond the measures prescribed in the Safeguards Agreement and Additional Protocol – if the Agency is to be able to understand fully the twenty years of undeclared nuclear activities by Iran.
“Additional transparency measures, including access to documentation, dual use equipment and relevant individuals, are, however, still needed for the Agency to be able to verify the scope and nature of Iran’s nuclear program.â€
The report also adds that in a letter Tehran has offered to provide a timetable for cooperation with UN nuclear inspectors if the IAEA, rather than the Security Council, oversees Iranian compliance, the report said. The letter was submitted to ElBaradei as Gholamreza Aqazadeh, the director of the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran (AEOI), visited Vienna on Thursday and held talks with ElBaradei. The letter reads as follows:
“1-Islamic Republic of Iran has fully cooperated with the Agency during the past three years in accordance with the NPT Comprehensive Safeguards, the Additional Protocol and even beyond the Additional Protocol which was voluntarily implemented as if it was ratified.
“2-Islamic Republic of Iran has granted the full and unrestricted access to nuclear facilities during the past three years in the course of around 2000 man-day inspections.
“3-All nuclear facilities and activities have been under the Agency’s Safeguards.
“4-Nuclear materials have been declared to the Agency and have been accounted for.
“5-Islamic Republic of Iran is fully committed to its obligations under the NPT and the comprehensive Safeguards Agreement (INFCIRIC/153).
“6- Islamic Republic of Iran is fully prepared to continue granting the Agency’s inspection in accordance with the Comprehensive Safeguards provided that the Iran’s nuclear dossier will remain, in full, in the framework of the IAEA and under its safeguards, the Islamic Republic of Iran is prepared to resolve the remaining outstanding issues reflected in [the Director General’s] report GOV/2006/15 of 27 February 2006, in accordance with the international laws and norms. In this regard, Iran will provide a timetable within next three weeks.â€
April 29th, 2006 at 3:01 pmWhile Uncle Sam in treading and sinking in quicksand and Iran is doing most of the yapping, Russia and China seems more calculating and will have plenty to say before ‘it’s’ over.
April 29th, 2006 at 5:44 pmWant to know the outcome? Check out the Hopi Prophesy!
Comment by Jon — April 29, 2006 @ 1:50 pm
Pretty much sounds like the ending of the Bible, which I don’t subscribe to either. Quantum Mechanics teaches us that there are possibilities before us and little more. No one knows for certain what will happen.
If some ideology happens to coincidentally get it right, it’s simply because the quantum mechanical statistics are high for power to corrupt, corruption to destroy and destruction to end. Not prophecy, but just reality.
Hopi Prophecy
World War III will be started by those peoples who first revealed the light (the divine wisdom or intelligence) in the other old countries (India, China, Islamic Nations, Africa.)
The United States will be destroyed, land and people, by atomic bombs and radioactivity. Only the Hopis and their homeland will be preserved as an oasis to which refugees will flee. Bomb shelters are a fallacy. “It is only materialistic people who seek to make shelters. Those who are at peace in their hearts already are in the great shelter of life. There is no shelter for evil. Those who take no part in the making of world division by ideology are ready to resume life in another world, be they Black, White, Red, or Yellow race. They are all one, brothers.”
April 29th, 2006 at 6:02 pmRussia? what about the Ukraine?
Ukraine admits missiles sold to Iran and China
(Filed: 18/03/2005)
Ukraine has admitted cruise missiles were exported to Iran and China, reports say.
Ukraine’s prosecutor-general Svyatoslav Piskun was cited as saying businessmen sold 12 missiles to Iran and six to China.
A Ukrainian X-55 missile
A Ukrainian X-55 missile
The X-55 cruise missiles, also known as Kh-55s or AS-15s, were sold in 2001, although none were exported with the nuclear warheads they were designed to carry, the Financial Times adds.
The X-55 had a range of 1,800 miles
April 29th, 2006 at 9:55 pmBOOM BOOM BOOM
WW3 IS ABOUT TO START
SAY CHEESE
April 29th, 2006 at 10:16 pmWell this sucks,
There is a chance Russia is going to help Iran
Even worse, we have an imcompetent adminsstration that is unable to succesffuly fight a war…
April 29th, 2006 at 10:29 pmRyan – thanks for at least doing a little bit of research before responding. I appreciate the effort. I didn’t mean to imply that the SA-15 isn’t effective at all. It is for its purpose. Its purpose is point defense and because of that it has a limited target engagement envelope with limited ceiling and range. Did you notice the engagement range? 7.5 miles at jet aircraft speeds is practically arms-length. It is more comparable to say, the Roland missile system than the Patriot. The Patriot has a vastly greater engagement envelope and capability than the SA-15, but it is intended for a different layer of defense. Point defense systems are supposed to “mop-up” whatever gets through your area defenses which are themselves backup for theater defense systems. As for how I know, I spent a career in the Air Force. Much of it was in Electronic Warfare dealing primarily with anti-missile systems.
Here are a few links if you wish to learn more:
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/sa-15.htm
http://www.aeronautics.ru/samru.htm
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/sa-15.htm
And one more from 1998 to show these are not dangerous new weapons. Madeline Albright recommends that Cyprus buy them rather than the SA-10 since Turkey assured them that would cause an attack on Cyprus if the SA-10 was deployed:
http://cns.miis.edu/research/cyprus/abstract.htm
April 30th, 2006 at 3:43 amJust because GWB calls himself “The Decider”, doesn’t mean he is the only person able to make decisions. And BushCo may not be too happy about what other countries are doing, but that is just too bad. They THINK they rule the world, but the world has news for them, “dream on”. They were asking for it, and Russia said “fine by us”. Of course Iran wants defensive weapons!!! They know GWB wants to drop NUKES on them, and they see what is going on in Iraq, and don’t want to be next. And since BushCo believes so strongly in a “free-market economy”, they should understand that it is just business. And that they do not have any say-so about it. They can whine about it, but that’s all. Should have thought about that sooner. Way to go.
April 30th, 2006 at 5:15 amThis article kinda got me lost. Is it not a fact that NATO stages it’s military around Russia? And the fact that now that country takes an opposition stand to the overall international politics of US is taken as an initiated action? Shouldn’t the authors of this article consider the international politics our country is getting engaged in the last couple of years? Don’t you think that unifocal and myopical policy will eventyally steer up some opposition? Russia always had thrown rench into ongoing events, but at this junction i would try to reconsider foreign policy of our country. Sometimes it is not worth the beef! There are more importan issues on the horizon than expansion of NATO into Eastern Europe. After all we can’t fight on all fronts! And maybe as a result Russia will stay away from it’s “useless” engagment in Iran.
May 1st, 2006 at 12:12 amThis is a very serious development, just the other day Russia reportedly
May 1st, 2006 at 12:23 pminvaded our airspace in the artic. For those who are unaware that America’s
destiny is foretold in the Bible, this is exactly where God said that our destruction
would come from (the north). Russia has scalar weapons that put ours to shame.
They are on their third generation of these types of weapons and America is only
on her first. I suggest everyone pray!
I suggest everyone pray!
Comment by Deborah N — May 1, 2006 @ 12:23 pm
Because that works so well for all those starving children, abused children, and crippled children?
I think I’ll pass for something more pro-active, and rational.
May 1st, 2006 at 2:14 pm
May 1st, 2006 at 10:28 pmTHIS IS THE GOG-MAGOG WAR THAT IS PROPHESIED IN THE BIBLE!! EZEKIEL 38-39
GOD’S WORD STATES THAT RUSSIA WOULD START THE WAR, EVERYTHING THAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW, IN IRAQ, IN IRAN, AND ESPECIALLY IN ISRAEL HAS ALL BEEN PROPHESIED AND MOST OF IT FULFILLED, EXCEPT FOR CHRIST’S SECOND COMING. THIS ABSOLUTELY IS NOT A POLITICAL WAR….IT IS A SPIRITUAL WAR!!!
May 1st, 2006 at 10:42 pmWILL THE REAL GEORGE BUSH PLEASE STAND UP!!!!
THERE IS DEATH IN THE CLANDESTINE BUSINESS OF THE ILLUMINATI, IF YOU REALLYWANT TO KNOW WHY THERE IS SO MUCH BLOODSHED IN IRAQ WHY IT WILL NOTCEASE AND WHY OUR PRESIDENT HAS A THIRST FOR BLOODSHED I URGE YOU TO CHECK OUT
http://WWW.LASTTRUMPETMINISTRIES.ORG
CLICK ON THE ARCHIVES AND READ THE NEWSLETTERS, WHAT YOU FIND HERE WILL BLOW YOUR MIND!!! I HOPE IT ANSWERS MOST OF YOUR QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON NOW AND WHAT IS SOON TO COME.
GOD’S WORD STATES THAT RUSSIA WOULD START THE WAR,
Comment by GINA — May 1, 2006 @ 10:28 pm
Get back on your meds. That is not what your Bible says. It’s what you want it to say so you can go around yelling at people like you did in December 1999 about the end of the world… Go back to your bunker and find your medication. Hurry!
May 2nd, 2006 at 8:57 ami just hate wars, am fed up now and going………..dont stop me or i smack ur ……….
May 11th, 2006 at 11:16 pmMan…Kooooooondleezzza Rice is a Desperate wife..and she has got company… Desperate Hubby..Mr Bush(Jr.)…to make it more interesting they got to kill time.
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