U.S. General: Iran Attack Fraught With Risk, Bush Needs to ‘Make Diplomacy Work’
U.S. General: Iran Attack Fraught With Risk, Bush Needs to ‘Make Diplomacy Work’
Lt. Gen. Victor Renuart, the director of planning for the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has spoken out on Iran:
Military action against Iran would be fraught with risk and would have repercussions across the region, a leading American general conceded.
“Any action militarily is very complicated,” Lt Gen Victor Renuart, the director of planning for the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told The Daily Telegraph.
“And any action by any country will have second-order effects, and that is a strong case to continue the diplomatic process and make it work.“
Gen. Renuart is the latest in a long line of national security experts and others warning of the dangers of a military strike on Iran, and emphasizing the importance of making diplomacy work. (Read the full list HERE.)
The Bush administration ignores this advice at the peril of U.S. national security. Just today, the respected Arms Control Association warned that if Iran and the U.S. continue to move “further away from the diplomatic solution both say they want, we may eventually see a military confrontation, a nuclear weapons-capable Iran, or both. If such perilous outcomes are to be averted, Washington and Tehran need to engage in direct talks aimed at a grand bargain that addresses each of their concerns.”
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Thank God some of them are speaking out this time before it’s too late.
May 2nd, 2006 at 1:27 pmThe military’s allegiance is to the Constitution, and therefore the American people. Let’s hope they do a better job of keeping that loyalty than the elected idiots on Capital Hill. Because without the military’s involvement in another attack, all Bush will be able to do is strap on some explosives and become a suicide bomber.
May 2nd, 2006 at 1:29 pmI agree, but has yet to listen to anyone else but Rove and his inside voice of God.
May 2nd, 2006 at 1:29 pmIran doesn’t have to make their own nuclear weapons to have them.
They can just buy some from Russia, or Korea, or whomever else we manage to piss off enough.
Global diplomacy is critical here. And we have a chimpanzee at bat.
May 2nd, 2006 at 1:32 pm“It’s just a small, tiny, noocleer missle.”
May 2nd, 2006 at 1:36 pmI wish some of these guys had spoken out before the iraq war. Not that i think it would have made a difference. I hope it makes a difference this time, although i think that bush will do whatever he wants, and that means more problems for america.
May 2nd, 2006 at 1:37 pm#5 its pronounced nucalar
the ’s’ is silent.
May 2nd, 2006 at 1:38 pmGaff that general now. Cut out his tongue.
Must have war with Iran. Must have war with Iran. War good, peace bad.
War is peace
May 2nd, 2006 at 1:38 pmthe ’s’ is silent.
Comment by squegeeboo — May 2, 2006 @ 1:38 pm
The ’s’ in nuclear?
May 2nd, 2006 at 1:42 pmI need to teach ya’ll how to speak southern (though I pretty much don’t that much anymore)…
It’s ‘nuke-yoo-lur’ and ‘miss-sile’ when Shrub says it.
He also says ‘Eye-rack’ and ‘Eye-ran’
You gotta elongate your vowels and take pauses between syllables. Clear?
May 2nd, 2006 at 1:45 pmDoes anyone have Bush on Armegeddon watch? Who is going to stop him from doing something rash?
May 2nd, 2006 at 1:46 pmGood idea to do diplomacy for Iran, but the Dubya Dunce Decider has already opted for war on Iran before the November elections! Only way to stop the coming WWIII is to impeach Bush and Cheney now!!!
May 2nd, 2006 at 1:46 pmThey wouldn’t go into a war without thinking of:
1) What damages it could cause
2) The loss of life
3) Securing the peace
4) Costs
5) Multi-National support
Would they?
Oh, my bad! I forgot, I had an IDIOT foa a President that cannot think that far in advance and a FAT BASTARD as his advisor and NO ONE with combat experience to know how damaging a war can be to a nation!
Please forgive me for the oversight!
BUSH IS AN IDIOT!
May 2nd, 2006 at 1:47 pm#9 unbelievable: The ’s’ in nuclear?
It’s a Simpsons quote, Homer joins the navy, and corrects a captain or admiral that way.
May 2nd, 2006 at 1:49 pmWhy does this cowerd hate Amercia?
May 2nd, 2006 at 1:51 pmOh BTW…
When is the RETIREMENT Party for this General?
or…
The date for the COURT-MARTIAL?
Either way, he has just secured his retirement pay as a Maj. General for upstaging ole’ squint-eyed Ruinsfeld!
May 2nd, 2006 at 1:51 pm#11,
I believe Bush has his own “Armegeddon watch” that tells him how long until the end, kind of like the countdown to retirement gift clocks.
May 2nd, 2006 at 1:52 pmdoes gen. Renuart know Gen. Shinseki? he should get to know him; i’m afraid they’ll both have a lot in common soon…
May 2nd, 2006 at 1:55 pmin a related story
http://news.yahoo.com/fc/World/Iran/
Both Bush and this Iranian president seem to want to go to war. I think we should have a steel cage deathmatch for these two, that way the rest of the world can go on without at least one of them.
May 2nd, 2006 at 1:56 pmIt’s a Simpsons quote, Homer joins the navy, and corrects a captain or admiral that way.
Comment by squegeeboo — May 2, 2006 @ 1:49 pm
I missed that one. Don’t watch it much anymore. Usually just the Halloween ‘Tree House of Horror’ Specials. Which, come to think of, I’ve missed the last two ro three… Oh well…
Sorry I messed up your joke.
May 2nd, 2006 at 1:58 pmI think we should have a steel cage deathmatch for these two, that way the rest of the world can go on without at least one of them.
Comment by Krazny — May 2, 2006 @ 1:56 pm
The Iranian and American people do not hate one another. Just our lunatic presidents. I agree with you. Let Bush and Ahmadinejad beat each other up and leave the rest of us out of it.
And we need to remind the rednecks in our country that we don’t hate Iranians either - just their psychotic leader - as much as we hate our own.
May 2nd, 2006 at 2:02 pmFinally, a general speaks up publicly — before — he’s forced to retire.
May 2nd, 2006 at 2:03 pmTo arms. Another cut and run coward! Quick, we must man the keyboards and push the military into a strike soon or else. We must not listen to these gay military cowards who are undermining the Commander in a Codpiece!
-GSD
May 2nd, 2006 at 2:03 pmDoes anyone shiver with the thought that our well-being is hinging on some direct diplomacy by G. Bush? Can anyone even picture our pres attempting to formulate real sentences, real give-and-take, real compromises all by himself?
We’re doomed. Big time.
May 2nd, 2006 at 2:04 pm#15…
If you are referring to the General, then that is an inaccurate statement….
If you are referring to Bush, then that is not entirely correct!
BUSH IS AN IDIOT, and therefore he makes decisions without the benefit of logic or reason…Therefore, he does not hate America, he just doesn’t know how to help America! It is hard for him, because he is mentally challenged, and even his dismal approval numbers does not dissuade him from thinking that people are upset because of everything else, and not him!
To define it: And IDIOT is a person with esp. profound mental retardation. Now I know placing GEORGE BUSH in this category will offend some people that have this debilitating disease, but I beg their forgiveness for placing them in a category with such a despicable person.
Still, the General is indicating that a war of this magnitude will not do America any good, and that BUSH created this scenario. The INVASION of IRAQ was unwarranted and unnecessary and we had NO ALLIANCE or JUSTIFICATION for the attack. But the IDIOT (remember the definition) did it anyway!!!
The General understands that if a war with Iran were to take place now, it would destabilize the Middle East and the U. S. aggression would be seen as an attack on the Middle Eastern culture. Note the fact, that there are NO COUNTRIES backing the U.S. on this one! Even Tony (I kiss Bush’s Azz) Blair said he will not support a war with Iran! So, Iran is taking advantage of the anti-American (Bush) sentiment (that currently exists everywhere) and are looking for any edge they can find as long as we have these IDIOTS in charge!
May 2nd, 2006 at 2:06 pmLol post 23 > needed a good laugh! The general will most likely be demoted tomorrow, or told to retire > Rumsfeld is probably so mad that he is chewing the carpet in his office! This is the first active duty general to defy the Bush Regime > perhaps a military coup is brewing?
May 2nd, 2006 at 2:08 pmWe can add another Gen. to the list. But what do they know, they just spend their whole life in the study of war.
You can’t make a chimp inderstand that.
May 2nd, 2006 at 2:12 pmThe general has said nothing that was contrary to the Bush position, he said the use of military should be considered only as a last resort and diplomacy should be used instead, the same thing Bush Co. have been saying.
May 2nd, 2006 at 2:12 pm…The Bush administration ignores this advice at the peril of U.S. national security. Just today, the respected Arms Control Association warned that if Iran and the U.S. continue to move “further away from the diplomatic solution both say they want, we may eventually see a military confrontation, a nuclear weapons-capable Iran, or both. If such perilous outcomes are to be averted, Washington and Tehran need to engage in direct talks aimed at a grand bargain that addresses each of their concerns.â€
What a naive and assinine comment by Nico. Does anyone really believe that Bush wants to attack Iran? Come on! What the hell is that useless debate society, better known as the UN doing about anything? Iran thumbs it’s nose at them because they know they’re powerless–and they’re doing the same to Europe. So like it or not, this situation with Iran has landed in our laps. What do we do? Sit back and watch them make nuclear advances until they blow Israel off the map? How do you use diplomacy with someone who won’t be reasoned with? I know you all hate Bush, hell I’m not too happy with him these days, but he’s not the madman in this situation, it’s Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. If diplomacy fails, it will be his fault, not Bush’s. What do we do then? Throw our collective hands up in the air and say oh well we tried? Or—do we take some kind of action to protect our allies?
May 2nd, 2006 at 2:14 pmWhile the differences between Washington and Tehran are threatening and growing, there are eerie similarities between presidents Bush and Ahmadinejad and their respective fundamentalist followers. For each, the strikingly analogous views regarding religious prophecy, second comings and the end of times for their respective Christian and Shiite eschatologies may be pushing Ahmadinejad and Bush inexorably towards war.
For the full story, see:
May 2nd, 2006 at 2:19 pm“Iran, Bush and the Second Coming.”
Antagonist!!!
Facts are a B*tch aren’t they!!!
Who created this quagmire? Who gave Iran the upper-hand? Who called them the AXIS of EVIL in a nationally televised speech, when this country did NOTHING to antagonize the U.S. prior to the Iraq war?
Yeah, facts are a b*tch and you cannot stand the fact that an INEPT and INCOMPETENT President has placed this nation in harms way for his political ambitions!
Why give BUSH a free pass on this! He clearly does not know how to negotiate and it has been proven that this IDIOT like stacking countries for no reason at all, and will lie to the American people to do it!
So, pardon me, if I do not share your confidence that there is no other alternative. Because in this case, my family’s future is too important to be left in the hands of a C Average student with the mind of a chimpanzee!
May 2nd, 2006 at 2:21 pmLol post 29 > Iran is a threat to nobody > Israel has over 200 nukes, so even if Iran got one they would be stupid to use it on Israel! Iranian leader is a dunce, like our Dubya Dunce Decider, but he is just a spewer of nonsense! Diplomacy is the best option, but Bush wants war!
May 2nd, 2006 at 2:22 pmOops…stacking = attacking
May 2nd, 2006 at 2:22 pmIran WILL have nuclear weapons…
…Iran- a sovereign nation- has the right to acquire nuclear weapons…
…Iran’s leadership would be derelict if they caved in to U.S. (Zionist controlled) demands…
…to give up its nuclear weapons program…
…the AGE of white (European) male hegemonic domination is OVER!
…watch China, Venezuela, Bolivia, Cuba, India, N.Korea, and Pakistan…
…and other countries of color who are asserting their sovereignty…
May 2nd, 2006 at 2:24 pm#20 “Sorry I messed up your joke.”
Your not yet, but you will be, start rueing.
May 2nd, 2006 at 2:24 pmWhy do you cowherds suport this cowerd who hates Amercia as much as you do?
May 2nd, 2006 at 2:32 pm#31
Why did I expect an intelligent response? Sorry pal, but I just can’t take anyone seriously when they align themselves with the lunatic fringe. No matter the problem, Bush is always at fault. You guys always excuse madmen, terrorists, and suicide bombers, and pin the blame on Bush. if you’re really an Iraq vet–thank you for your service to our country.
May 2nd, 2006 at 2:36 pmLol the right wing fringe always blames Bill Clinton for everything! We on the left, not the fringe, believe that Bush must accept blame for everything he did wrong the past 5+ years! Odd to blame Clinton since he has NOT been president for over 5 years!
May 2nd, 2006 at 2:40 pmAntagonist,
I recently called IRI to the carpet about my credentials, even invited him for a preliminary boot camp at Ft. Sill prior to my separation, but (like a coward) he never showed! However, indifferent to those that did not serve, I respect the power of the Constitution and BUSH does not! So THAT is why my DISGUST and HATE for him exists!
If you choose to disregard the facts, then I pity you and refer to you as a useless drone without regard for the clear and unmitigating facts surrounding this IDIOT (BUSH)! I have seen the death of bombs dropped by planes, and the mistreatment of regular citizens as we try to gain support in Iraq! I have seen kids without homes, families without water or electricity, and men who are not prepared for the duties which will soon be pressed upon them. Then there are the terrorists who hate America because of of ideological position of occupation, rather than liberation!
The Iraqi people DO NOT like us, and want us gone, and we are too stubborn to take the hint! I vote for the best man who can do the job the job! BUSH is not that man, and (in my opinion) did not win the Presidency! He stole it, and there it little I can do about that!
But, BUSH had NO reason to pull us out of Afghanistan and place us in Iraq! NO REASON! Saddam was in a cage and had we completed the mission of finding Bin Laden then I would have no problem with the dude (I will never say Commander in Chief (maybe Thief))…Saddam kept Iran and others in check while he was in power!
Was he (Saddam) a tyrant? YES Was he brutal? YES Should he have been removed? YES again! Was it the job of America to do so? NO! If that reason is a justification, then I would propose this?
Did BUSH break the Law? Yes
Did he deceive the American people? Yes
Did he cause Death and Destruction to others? Yes
Did he infringe on civil liberties? Yes
Did he break his oath of office? Yes
So why should he not be removed in the same manner? He is running a POLICE STATE regime in D.C. and no one wants to do anything about it! Well this forum is a place to voice dissention and opposition to those practices, and (from time-to-time) input alternatives to protect the rights that we hold dear!
Regardless of political affiliation, to do anything less only exemplifies what is wrong with America today! Too many complicit Americans who stick to a gang mentality, rather than looking at the facts that shows a nation clearly misguided by tyrants and thieves!
But terrorism is up in Iraq, when it almost non-existent, the country is unstable, we have spent $320 billion, lost over 2400 soldiers and countless thousands of Iraq citizens and you think that BUSH’s hands aren’t the cause?
Yeah, you can’t take anyone seriously, because you truly don’t have a clue!
May 2nd, 2006 at 3:02 pmSome real insight on what will happen if we attack Iran here:
http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/
Look at the May 2, 2006 posting….
“The big question is- what will the US do about Iran? There are the hints of the possibility of bombings, etc. While I hate the Iranian government, the people don’t deserve the chaos and damage of air strikes and war. I don’t really worry about that though, because if you live in Iraq- you know America’s hands are tied. Just as soon as Washington makes a move against Tehran, American troops inside Iraq will come under attack. It’s that simple- Washington has big guns and planes… But Iran has 150,000 American hostages.”
The wayback machine reveals that the current Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has had prior experience with “American hostage taking”
May 2nd, 2006 at 3:03 pmIraqvet, well said in post #39, count me on your team when we take up arms for some presidential ass kicking.
May 2nd, 2006 at 3:25 pmAt the beginning of April 2006 the Iranian leadership said its scientists had enriched uranium to 3.5 percent purity and produced a nuclear fuel cycle of a research nature.
According to latest figures Iran has enriched to 4.8 needed for nuclear Fuel and wishes to enrich no further and will let IAEA inspectors fully monitor their next movement.
proving that all they want is nuclear fuel - so stop the war mongering and relax for now - sometimes the press fear monger
May 2nd, 2006 at 3:30 pmSmedley,
YOU know that and I know that, but isn’t it amazing that America (BUSH) is more hated than a terrorist nation than that of the radical Islamists in Iran?
Even Russia is telling BUSH to go to hell, and he (BUSH) all but sucked the Chinese President’s d*ck when a protester yelled at him! Land of the free? Not when it comes to disrespecting his bankers!!!
Iran is taking advantage of the WORLD sentiment that EVERYONE hates BUSH! CHAVEZ, CASTRO, IRAN, even CHINA has better rating than this fool we have in office, and the problem that I have is that for REPUBLICANS, they display the mindset of the neanderthals, because they trust everything these people tell them! No intelligence of foresight for others, just ignorant rhetoric, excuses, thoughtless diatribes, and racial insults for the lack of any accute mental responses that relate to here and now!
Hell, EVEN I HATED CLINTON FOR NAFTA!!! But, I agreed with his principle direction of people with jobs, affordable healthcare, surplus budgets, stringent environmental regulation, and an efficient foreign policy that did not create enemies!
Do I think BUSH could have prevented 9/11? I don’t think so! But do I think that he screwed it up on 9/12? HELL YEAH!
May 2nd, 2006 at 3:46 pm#39
What law did Bush break?
How did he deceive the American people?
Death an destruction comes with war—by the way we went into Iraq with a COALITION!
What civil liberties did he infringe upon?
When did he break his oath of office?
What police state regime are you talking about?
Is that all you have? Democrat talking points? Raadical left wing accusations?
Did you ever notice that nothing ever comes of these charges? That’s because there’s nothing to them dumbass!
Oh I have a clue alright—you’re clinically insane! What’s the matter? Couldn’t find another soldier to spoon with you gayboy–so you got to take it out on Bush?
May 2nd, 2006 at 3:55 pmWouldn’t a diplomatic solution be a whole lot easier to reach if someone from the current Bush administration … oh, I dunno … actually meet with someone from Iran and have some productive dialog?
Yeah, yeah … I know … that’s called “diplomacy.” And we all know Bush Co. ain’t so good at that. But still …
May 2nd, 2006 at 4:19 pmYou can’t be serious …
May 2nd, 2006 at 4:21 pmSmedley,
YOU know that and I know that, but isn’t it amazing that America (BUSH) is more hated than a terrorist nation than that of the radical Islamists in Iran?
Comment by IraqVet —
Makes you wonder just how insane they are doesn’t it. No, it doesn’t? Well, it should and because it doesn’t is why you Leftist Losers are marginalized. The majority of Americans don’t give a good Saturday crap about what you think or what the Euroweasels, Russians, Red Chinese or Muslim headchoppers think. That’s why we win. That’s why we’e better than you and that’s why Iran’s government will crumble after the first shot is fired.
May 2nd, 2006 at 4:44 pmI’ve read all of the reasons for the Iraq war, and one was that Saddam in 2000 insisted Iraq’s oil be sold for euros.
Regarding Iran, is there any merit here or here:
Althought we shouldn’t minimize the severity of nuclear proliferation, and the world should look for peaceful nonproliferation measures.
May 2nd, 2006 at 4:45 pmI-R-I > you have to be the first one into Iran or shut your yapper on TP! If there is a war on Iran, caused by Bush, then we who are against Bush are going to round up all you Dubya lovers to go fight in it! No more other Americans dying for your warmongering!
May 2nd, 2006 at 5:01 pm47 # when all other nations tell you something , you must be in the wrong, and your not winning in Iraq by a long shot, in fact you will never win there, It seems to me Bush has fallen hook line and sinker for Russian, Chinese and maybe muslim plans to grind Bush into Bankrupting America, and on top of that bin laden has exposed America for what it really is, Thiefs, murderers, torturers and human right violators as well as veto nearly everything the UN come up with even if its for the good of mankind America vetos everything
When I refer to America I mean That 52% voted for Bush and idiots like IRI and the others
US Is the Sole “No†Vote on Resolutions or Treaties
For aid to underdeveloped nations
For the promotion of developing nation exports
For UN promotion of human rights
For protecting developing nations in trade agreements
For New International Economic Order for underdeveloped nations
For development as a human right
Versus multinational corporate operations in South Africa
For cooperative models in developing nations
For right of nations to economic system of their choice
Versus chemical and biological weapons (at least 3 times)
Versus Namibian apartheid
For economic/standard of living rights as human rights
Versus apartheid South African aggression vs. neighboring states (2 times)
Versus foreign investments in apartheid South Africa
For world charter to protect ecology
For anti-apartheid convention
For anti-apartheid convention in international sports
For nuclear test ban treaty (at least 2 times)
For prevention of arms race in outer space
For UNESCO-sponsored new world information order (at least 2 times)
For international law to protect economic rights
For Transport & Communications Decade in Africa
Versus manufacture of new types of weapons of mass destruction
Versus naval arms race
For Independent Commission on Disarmament & Security Issues
For UN response mechanism for natural disasters
For the Right to Food
For Report of Committee on Elimination of Racial Discrimination
For UN study on military development
For Commemoration of 25th anniversary of Independence for Colonial Countries
For Industrial Development Decade in Africa
For interdependence of economic and political rights
For improved UN response to human rights abuses
For protection of rights of migrant workers
For protection against products harmful to health and the environment
For a Convention on the Rights of the Child
For training journalists in the developing world
For international cooperation on third world debt
For a UN Conference on Trade & Development
US Is 1 of Only 2 “No†Votes on Resolutions or Treaties
For Palestinian living conditions/rights (at least 8 times)
Versus foreign intervention into other nations
For a UN Conference on Women
Versus nuclear test explosions (at least 2 times)
For the non-use of nuclear weapons vs. non-nuclear states
For a Middle East nuclear free zone
Versus Israeli nuclear weapons (at least 2 times)
For a new world international economic order
For a trade union conference on sanctions vs. South Africa
For the Law of the Sea Treaty
For economic assistance to Palestinians
For UN measures against fascist activities and groups
For international cooperation on money/finance/debt/trade/development
For a Zone of Peace in the South Atlantic
For compliance with Intl Court of Justice decision for Nicaragua vs. US.
**For a conference and measures to prevent international terrorism (including its underlying causes)
For ending the trade embargo vs. Nicaragua
So dont cry when russia and china Veto America versus iran
May 2nd, 2006 at 5:24 pmhttp://www.tanbou.com/ 2001/ fall/ USForeignPolicyElias.htm
Althought we shouldn’t minimize the severity of nuclear proliferation, and the world should look for peaceful nonproliferation measures.
Comment by Jack
It’s a nice thought Jack but when Allah tells them they should have a nuke and use it against the USA or our allies the alternatives to war get pretty few and far between. But I’m glad to hear at least one liberal on this board isn’t quite ready to minimize the severity of nuclear proliferation.
May 2nd, 2006 at 5:26 pmEvidently General Reuhart doesn’t understand that according to the administration we have turned the corner in Iraq. (After 4 times of turning the corner we now have our heads up our arses.).
May 2nd, 2006 at 5:26 pmwith The US standing in the way of nearly all Un resolution I think they should be banned from voting in the UN and thown out altogether what a disgusting voting record to have of a great free Country - wankers well 52% anyway
May 2nd, 2006 at 5:29 pmI-R-I > you have to be the first one into Iran or shut your yapper on TP! If there is a war on Iran, caused by Bush, then we who are against Bush are going to round up all you Dubya lovers to go fight in it! No more other Americans dying for your warmongering!
Comment by Jay Randal
Sorry Jay but war mongering is a fine old American tradition and as long as there are bad guys we’ll kill them. We don’t really care what you liberal homo’s think.
May 2nd, 2006 at 5:34 pmAntagonist and IRI,
What a couple of mindless lemming losers. You both make fools of yourselves by your inability to think and to use logic. You’re both apparently paralyzed by your fear of anyone unlike yourselves. Come out from underneath your beds. Cowardly traitors.
May 2nd, 2006 at 5:39 pmIf such perilous outcomes are to be averted, Washington and Tehran need to engage in direct talks aimed at a grand bargain that addresses each of their concerns.â€
This is stupid. Iran wants nukes and they want to use them on Israel and on Europe. That’s what they’ve said. Their concern is that the USA will stop them. Our concern is that they are going to make us stop them. Where’s the room for negotiation?
May 2nd, 2006 at 5:39 pmYou both make fools of yourselves by your inability to think and to use logic. You’re both apparently paralyzed by your fear of anyone unlike yourselves. Come out from underneath your beds. Cowardly traitors.
Comment by Willy
Thank you Willy. We’ll take your concerns, opinions and proposals under advisement. In the meantime you may take advantage of that spineless body of yours to facilitate the insertion of your head up your ass. If your phone doesn’t ring you’ll know it’s me.
May 2nd, 2006 at 5:42 pmIsrael needs to come clean about its nuclear program before Iran is made to do so! The Dimona nuclear reactor complex in Israel is only used for enriching uranium into plutonium to make bombs! Israel has at least 200 nukes at present > perhaps twice that number, since an Israeli officer told me once they have 400 nukes, but said its a secret! Israel also was helping South Africa with its nuke program until Mandela got elected years ago and white Africaners lost power! Israel has never signed the Non-proliferation Treaty and refuses to cooperate on inspections of their nuclear facilities! After the Israelis abide to international laws, then Iran can be told to do so as well!
May 2nd, 2006 at 5:45 pm#48- The reaction of BushCo to this news should be quite telling. It will indicate what their true motive is, oil or ’safety’. I have my suspicions of which is more likely.
May 2nd, 2006 at 5:48 pmUS Is 1 of Only 2 “No†Votes on Resolutions or Treaties
Versus nuclear test explosions (at least 2 times)
For the non-use of nuclear weapons vs. non-nuclear states
For a Middle East nuclear free zone
Versus Israeli nuclear weapons (at least 2 times)em>
And lookie here who in standing in the way , well what does the world think
May 2nd, 2006 at 5:48 pmWhat law did Bush break?
answer: ISA
How did he deceive the American people?
answer: Decided to invade Iraq, claiming he was allowing for “diplomacy” all the
while preparing for war. It is a fact his mind was made up, yet misslead fools like
you that he “did not want war”
Death an destruction comes with war—by the way we went into Iraq with a COALITION!
answer: what coalition? you are an idiot. Britain was the only country with their dick
on the line in any significant numbers - all other “coalition” members were a joke.
oh - thats right lets not forget Polands 1000 strong troops.
What civil liberties did he infringe upon?
answer: 4th amenment for starters.
When did he break his oath of office?
answer: when he swore to uphold the constitution.
What police state regime are you talking about?
answer: the police state that spies on Quakers and vegetarians and places
people on “no fly” list - with no explanation and recourse.
Is that all you have?
answer: No.
Democrat talking points?
answer: Backed up by facts.
Raadical left wing accusations?
answer: most of us are mainstream. It is the the extremistfascist in the white house you should be concerned about. As a registered Republican and am deeply alarmed and disapointed by my party - who has placed itself above the constitution and our beloved country.
Did you ever notice that nothing ever comes of these charges?
answer: that is because our 4th estate has failed us - those that report the news are
beholden to their bosses - who are rich white men benefiting from the corperate sell out of America. Do you really believe that if their was checks and balances in our government - that Bushco would not be under real investigation and inpeachment?
That’s because there’s nothing to them dumbass!
answer: you be the dumbass idiot.
Oh I have a clue alright—you’re clinically insane!
answer: no Iraqvet is a true patriot and not a boot licker like YOU.
What’s the matter? Couldn’t find another soldier to spoon with you gayboy–so you got to take it out on Bush?
May 2nd, 2006 at 5:49 pmanswer: I will let Iraqvet field that one, but seems to me those that are the most
homophic secretly would love to suck cock. stfu wwallace.
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May 2nd, 2006 at 5:56 pmIf your phone doesn’t ring you’ll know it’s me.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — May 2, 2006 @
Can anyone interpret spittle flying, incoherant rant? I am really curious what this means. Is this a threat?
May 2nd, 2006 at 6:07 pmA poster said MAN YOUR KEYBOARDS. Dont you see folks that manning the keyboards is the problem with the progressives.
How about manning the streets. How about taking these issues to the front gates of the white house.
Manning your keyboard does nothing except give YOU a little satisfaction so you can sit back, re-read your post, and think to yourself, BOY I TOLD THEM.
May 2nd, 2006 at 6:20 pmI-RIGHT-I, a true merkin patriot. He knows the value of Amercias militarity might in a time of peace through flower power. Never before have the drool buckets of freedom overflowed with such a steady stream of blooded flecked, hate infected spittle, injective and vitrioil.
May 2nd, 2006 at 6:27 pmDo any of you NeoCon fools realize that a 10 or 20 megaton nuke delivered to about 12 major US cities would convert approximately 60 million people to the same state as a box of Rice Crispies? Sequenced strikes on DC would convert that city and the SAC control center to mile deep craters.
May 2nd, 2006 at 7:17 pmThe Kennedy and Johnson administrations fashioned a complex scheme of annual visits to Dimona to ensure that Israel would not develop nuclear weapons. But the Israelis were adept at concealing their activities. By late 1966, Israel had reached the nuclear threshold, although it decided not to conduct an atomic test.
The Glaring Hypocrisy!!
May 2nd, 2006 at 7:45 pmAHHHHH! CONCEALMENT!! WMD HIDDEN TERRORISTS!!
THY EYES! I AM BLINDED BY THY LIARS! GLARING BLIND AYEE! The SANCTIONS! THE HIDDEN AGENDAS! THY PAIN!
Post 64 Americans are not kean on taking to the streets to oppose Bush, because Dubya has warned that he will use the force of the military to suppress any dissent! The May Day protests were allowed to take place, because corporations that use illegal immigrant laborers want NO limits to employing them! Since you are in Mexico Paul > please take to the streets to overthrow the vile Fox Regime!
May 2nd, 2006 at 7:55 pmPost 67 some claim that a nuke bomb tested by South Africa years ago was really done for the Israelis to test one of their nukes?!
May 2nd, 2006 at 7:59 pmhttp://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/israel/nuke/
Jay -Israel Nuke Program
May 2nd, 2006 at 8:07 pmSome type of non-nuclear test, perhaps a zero yield or implosion test, occurred on 2 November 1966 [possibly at Al-Naqab in the Negev].
http://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/ U.S._Army_officer_rank_insignia
the general in the photo is a Major General ( two stars ) not a Lt. General ( which would be 3 stars ) - so either this is an old photo ( since promoted ) or his rank is incorrect in the story. either way, he has pull / clout.
May 2nd, 2006 at 11:18 pmPoor Antagonist…
YOU could not help in the defense of your country, so you cower behind the skirt of an IDIOT and YOU call me GAY!
Sorry, but I DO NOT fall for the IDIOTIC ramblings of a FALSE President who cannot lead his d*ck to a toilet to piss in it!
But, as I said, the REPUBLICANS are FIRST to call for war, but the LAST to fight them! If it were not for the majority of sane citizens, then who knows where we’d be! No wonder the GENERALS are revolting against him! They know an IDIOT when they see one, and I know a COWARD when I SPEAK to one!
May 2nd, 2006 at 11:21 pmYoung Americans are being sent to kill and die to a country they can’t even point on a map:
• One-third of respondents couldn’t pinpoint Louisiana on a map and 48 percent were unable to locate Mississippi.
• Fewer than three in 10 think it important to know the locations of countries in the news and just 14 percent believe speaking another language is a necessary skill.
• Six in 10 could not find Iraq on a map of the Middle East.
Poll: 1/3 of Youths Can’t Find La. on Map
I think it is a reasonably safe bet to say the same percentage don’t know where Iran is located either.
This is why the American public buys into the most haywire and unrealistic schemes the Bush administration proposes: Ignorance simply reigns supreme.
May 3rd, 2006 at 1:54 amIRI, You really should not talk about “spineless body” unless you look in a mirror. Have YOU joined the Army yet? No? I didn’t think so, COWARD!!!!!!!!!
May 3rd, 2006 at 6:06 amThis is why the American public buys into the most haywire and unrealistic schemes the Bush administration proposes: Ignorance simply reigns supreme.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — May 3, 2006 @ 1:54 am
We’re so geared in the public school system to play parents to these kids that there’s little time left to teach them anything.
Plus, there parents don’t care, so why should they?
Next school year I’ll be teaching architecture. They will learn about the political, geographic and cultural influences. I’ll make sure they can answer these questions about the world. I’m trying to figure out how to do ‘virtual field trips’, which will allow them to semi-experience other cultures and gain an awareness of the world. And because this class is completely void of No Child Left Behind (it’s actually affliated with a local college), I can actually teach them valid and useful, real world information (which was why I got the job). I’ll keep you posted. See if it’s possible, without the constraints of bureacracy, to teach these kids something useful. Because, where I am now, it’s damn near impossible.
We need to get the bureaucrats out of the classrooms, and put a large level of accountability back where it belongs - on the parents. It’s the first 5-6 years of a child’s life that sets their foundation for the rest of it. Until parents realize that it’s their job to teach their child respect, encourage learning and curiosity, and prepare them for the world, those statics will just continue to decline. I would bet the ranch on that.
May 3rd, 2006 at 7:46 amHe’s out.
May 3rd, 2006 at 8:56 amNext school year I’ll be teaching architecture.
Comment by unbelievable — May 3, 2006 @ 7:46 am
So you got the job, eh? You probably said so in another thread, but I missed it. At any rate, congratulations… those kids will be in good hands, I am sure.
I agree more parent involvement is needed. Those statistics really did send a chill down my spine. I could hardly believe them. Sometimes I have to wonder if it is a conscious effort by the political, economic elites to keep people ignorant and compliant; ignorance just runs too deep to be mere negligence (mind you, I am not into conspiracy theories). Not only people cannot point Iraq in a map, a staggering number believe the universe is 8,000 years old. How is that possible in an industrialised nation? What jobs are these people going to apply for? How is the US supposed to compete successfully in technology & science with emerging powerhouses? It boggles my mind…
May 3rd, 2006 at 12:59 pmSo you got the job, eh? You probably said so in another thread, but I missed it. At any rate, congratulations… those kids will be in good hands, I am sure.
Just found out. Thanks! I’ll do my best ;)
I agree more parent involvement is needed. Those statistics really did send a chill down my spine. I could hardly believe them.
I saw some a few years ago about college students who couldn’t pick Iraq off an unmarked map (like 38%), and those who couldn’t pick the United States 11%)! College students who couldn’t pick their own country off a map!
Sometimes I have to wonder if it is a conscious effort by the political, economic elites to keep people ignorant and compliant; ignorance just runs too deep to be mere negligence (mind you, I am not into conspiracy theories).
I didn’t say this earlier because I dislike the conspiracy stuff as well. But Howard Zinn, Noam Chomsky and Gore Vidal all believe that the education system is simply a baby sitting system that provides no actual education. After a year in the system, I have to say, it certainly is plausible that we are kept ignorant and isolated. Especially when they they are presently trying to restrict our internet access, as we speak.
It’s been done in history before. Why not here? Why not now?
Not only people cannot point Iraq in a map, a staggering number believe the universe is 8,000 years old. How is that possible in an industrialised nation? What jobs are these people going to apply for? How is the US supposed to compete successfully in technology & science with emerging powerhouses? It boggles my mind…
Comment by Gregor Samsa — May 3, 2006 @ 12:59 pm
I had a couple of kids harrass me a few weeks back after I told them that ‘God’ was not the correct answer to the question ‘HOW did the solar system form’ on their test, and marked it wrong. It got ugly. The Administration did not stand up to their parents and tried to let me be the scape goat. They learned a very valuable lesson about respect - the hard way. And about who you should not f**k with… Worst part? They were straight A honors students who plan to go to college. One of them thought Amsterdam was a city in Nevada. It’s like we discussed - they memorize information for the test, and then forget it. Nothing get learned except manipulation of the system.
I think we’re witnessing the end of the American Empire, personally. We can’t compete. We’re becoming less and less educated in contrast to the rest of the world, and considering that we don’t care, as a whole, I think it will continue to decline.
I’ll do what I can to help. But in a country of 280 million people, it’s hard to save anything anymore - including yourself :).
May 3rd, 2006 at 1:38 pm#82
Just because in your smug arrogance and your mock-superiority, you don’t believe God exists—doesn’t mean you get to convince your religious students of your views.
May 3rd, 2006 at 1:58 pmAND I’m sure your straight A honors students are not in the habit of f*cking with their teachers OR showing direspect. Maybe you should take a look at yourself and question your actions that caused such a strong reaction from kids of this caliber.
Just because in your smug arrogance and your mock-superiority, you don’t believe God exists—doesn’t mean you get to convince your religious students of your views.
And just because of your smug arrogance and your mock-superiority, you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about - it’s a requirement in the Science curriculum, written in their textbooks, that they be taught Science in Science class and not religion.
You should know what you’re talking about. Otherwise you look like an even bigger fool than we already know you are.
AND I’m sure your straight A honors students are not in the habit of f*cking with their teachers OR showing direspect. Maybe you should take a look at yourself and question your actions that caused such a strong reaction from kids of this caliber.
Comment by Antagonist — May 3, 2006 @ 1:58 pm
Actually, they are. When it comes to religion. It’s why the system has such a huge shortage of Science teachers. Besides, I taught the curriculum. It wasn’t about me. It was about the situation (I was new and took over from another teacher mid-year). The teacher sppon fed them. I didn’t. That was the issue.
Man you are a paranoid ignorant moron. Bet you can’t pick Iraq off the map either.
May 3rd, 2006 at 2:10 pmJust because in your smug arrogance and your mock-superiority, you don’t believe God exists—doesn’t mean you get to convince your religious students of your views.
Comment by Antagonist — May 3, 2006 @ 1:58 pm
In a science class “God did it” has no room. It is not a scientific answer and wholly unacceptable. Period.
It is not about convincing anyone of any “views” -it is about transmitting scientifically sound knowledge.
Maybe you should take a look at yourself and question your actions that caused such a strong reaction from kids of this caliber.
If you had read the post (actually read it, not parse it), you would also understand what the issue is: It was not a class on religion, but the students chose to give a religion-based answer to a science question.
May 3rd, 2006 at 2:23 pmIf you had read the post (actually read it, not parse it), you would also understand what the issue is: It was not a class on religion, but the students chose to give a religion-based answer to a science question.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — May 3, 2006 @ 2:23 pm
I’m thinking that maybe he’s in the 11% that can’t pick the United States off a map either… Just a hunch :)
May 3rd, 2006 at 3:22 pmUnbeliveable on his map it says gods land, not The United States…
May 4th, 2006 at 12:05 amUnbeliveable on his map it says gods land, not The United States…
Comment by Clif — May 4, 2006 @ 12:05 am
Clearly… :)
May 4th, 2006 at 7:19 amI don’t think there has been or ever will be a bigger understanding from the rest of the world if some american shot his president right now. Because evil foreigners or not, you guys are best on shooting up your own presidents. The bad thing seems to me that you missed the bad ones and hit the good ones…..
May 4th, 2006 at 4:57 pm#78 through #85
I didn’t say this earlier because I dislike the conspiracy stuff as well. But Howard Zinn, Noam Chomsky and Gore Vidal all believe that the education system is simply a baby sitting system that provides no actual education. After a year in the system, I have to say, it certainly is plausible that we are kept ignorant and isolated. Especially when they they are presently trying to restrict our internet access, as we speak.
Wow wow, that is pure Marx. 50 years ago you could be locked up for that comment or maybe even shot. Also 50 years ago your president were critisizing my country for it’s high number of suicidal tendensies and some other crap, the thruth was that he was afraid because my country were a successful mix of capitalism and socialism, and were teaching their inhabitans the thruth, as far as they knew it during that time.
The thruth IS that the section of a soceity that owns a lot of money, power or influence will never give it away without a powerstruggle, bloody (as it is in general) or unbloody (as it was over here, more or less) But it took it’s time. During a period of over two hundred years ordniary workers and poor farmers struggled to break the chains who were placed upon them by rich bourgeois ( the nobles were long gone) and the king. But they let the power go, inch by inch, because they knew that they would lose more money (or maybe their necks) by refusing the people their rights, among them, the right for education. Now, because of a lucky outcome of the last world war AND a education that as far as it goes to my school time were at the cutting edge, my country (taking it’s size in calculation) is one of Europes riches, and with a standard that most american cities would only dream of.
The latest figures I heard when it comes to how many americans were homeless, it was about 10% of your population. That is as far as my calculation abilities goes approx. 25 million people. If you would translate that to my country it would be 800 000 people. If I say that 80 000 is without a adress I guess I’m counting high and that would include most of the people that the local social dep. provide a flat but they refuse to live there of various diffuse reasons.
May 4th, 2006 at 5:37 pm10% or 1% Which country would you think were the richest?? Or may I be bold enough and ask instead. Which would you think was the most unfair??
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July 12th, 2006 at 11:18 pmAnyone who believes Pres. Bush is on some set course regarding the threat Iran poses , disregarding all the potential problems arising from “rumoured set course”, is blinded by partisan hate. Your stereotypes serve no purpose, other than to reinforce your own finite calculations. Here’s a thought: Simply ignore the threat. This can be achieved by simple belief in the basic goodness, and purity of motive by Ahmadinijihad and his clerical puppeteers. Oh, that’s been done. Never mind.
December 25th, 2006 at 12:14 pm