President Bush Was For the $94 Billion Before He Was Against It
President Bush Was For the $94 Billion Before He Was Against It
On the campaign trail President Bush blasted Sen. John Kerry for voting against $87 billion in funding for operations in Iraq and Afghanistan. (Kerry was concerned that there wasn’t sufficient Congressional oversight over the disbursement of funds.) Here’s an excerpt from 9/2/04:
THE PRESIDENT: Again, my opponent and I have different approaches. I proposed, and the Congress overwhelmingly passed, $87 billion in funding needed by our troops doing battle in Afghanistan and Iraq. My opponent and his running mate voted against this money for bullets, and fuel, and vehicles, and body armor.
AUDIENCE: Booo!
THE PRESIDENT: When asked to explain his vote, the Senator said, “I actually did vote for the 87 billion dollars before I voted against it.”
AUDIENCE: Flip-flop! Flip-flop! Flip-flop!
THE PRESIDENT: Then he said he was “proud” of that vote. Then, when pressed, he said it was a “complicated” matter. There’s nothing complicated about supporting our troops in combat.
As Bush noted, Kerry’s vote was ultimately inconsequential. The bill passed anyway. Now, President Bush is threatening to veto $94 billion in emergency spending that he proposed for troops in Afghanistan and Iraq. (Bush is concerned that Congress has added too much additional spending for unrelated projects.) Here’s an excerpt from today’s White House press briefing:
QUESTION: And if that number that comes back in is over $94.5 billion, no question it will be vetoed?
MCCLELLAN: The president has made it very clear. He would veto legislation that goes above and beyond what he called for.
Bush’s veto threat may be appropriate. There are some shameful pork barrel projects tacked onto the Senate bill, including a $700 million “railroad to nowhere.”
It seems President Bush is learning that massive supplemental spending bills are complicated matters after all, not just an opportunity to score cheap political points.
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“There’s nothing complicated” . . . about being incapable of grasping policy nuances or an inability to provide effective leadership.
May 4th, 2006 at 2:13 pmNothing like on the job training. But wait….wasn’t he already in office for 4 years? Talk about a slow learner!!!
May 4th, 2006 at 2:14 pmBush has a very Black and white mentality. He doesn’t see shades of gray.
May 4th, 2006 at 2:17 pmI’d be happy if he vetoed it. I’m not gonna fight the asshole if he carries our water.
May 4th, 2006 at 2:17 pmI was for it, the pork, before I realized that it was much too pork.
May 4th, 2006 at 2:18 pmBush veto a bill?
Well at least he’s consistent. How long has it been since he’s told the truth?
I’m not certain. Does he hold the record for the most lies told during his tenure, or is it the record for the most consecutive days that a lie has been told?
May 4th, 2006 at 2:18 pmCheap political points?!?!? The Bush Administration?!?!?
Say it ain’t so!
May 4th, 2006 at 2:19 pm“Bush’s veto threat may be appropriate. There are some shameful pork barrel projects tacked onto the Senate bill, including a $700 million “railroad to nowhere.—
- Judd
*****Judd, I’m feeling like this is a MAGICAL moment – we agree on SOMETHING! Don’t worry, I’m sure the glow will only last for 3-4 seconds – I don’t want to cost you your job.
May 4th, 2006 at 2:19 pmBush and the Congress are shameless crooks who are so goofy that it’s pitifull to watch! They are raping the entire nation, but most Americans are so busy working for lousy corporations that are raping them blind as well!
May 4th, 2006 at 2:19 pmI wonder if the Veto stamp pad has dried out in 6 years.
Well, he could borrow the rubber stamp pad Congress has been using.
May 4th, 2006 at 2:21 pmDoes Bush have Nads? I think this bill will pass later on, or he’ll make a signing statement, on it, later.
If HE’S truly trying to correct the corruption problem; Kudos.
If hes trying another political media stunt, to keep the Corrupt Republicans in power…….
I’ll hold my tongue for now.
May 4th, 2006 at 2:21 pmI worked for 7 years for a large corporation and it was a ZOO of stupidity! Managers goofed off or screwed female cashiers in the vault room > lol. Once while a manager was on the phone to his wife, a thief stole about $5,000 in television sets out through a hole in the back fence! A guy drove up to the front and hitched a $3,000 log spliter to his truck and drove off! In the garden department perverts would come into the store and flash their wangers at women!
Builders Square it was called, a competitor of Home Depot > went bankrupt after the CEO stole a billion dollars and got away with it! I will never work for a large corporation ever again! Screw them all and Bush who adores them!
May 4th, 2006 at 2:32 pmLOL.
How is this even remotely the same?
Bush wants to send money to use for the troops, Congress adds on a bunch of garbage to it, and then Bush says hey wait a minute you bastards.
How is that the same as Kerry voting for a bill, and then voting against it? That’s not the same situation at all. Although I’m sure Think Progress would like it to be so that they can carry out cheap shots with empty bullets.
May 4th, 2006 at 2:37 pmHa!!
He hasn’t learned a damned thing. There’s no way in hell he’ll veto this.
May 4th, 2006 at 2:41 pm“It seems President Bush is learning that massive supplemental spending bills are complicated matters after all, not just an opportunity to score cheap political points.”
Isn’t that what TP is doing by posting on this?
May 4th, 2006 at 2:44 pmCalling Bubble Boys Shrink!
Increase the dose!
May 4th, 2006 at 2:45 pmNope, TP is just exposing the incongruence of Bush’s positions.
May 4th, 2006 at 2:48 pmWould’t it be useful to outlaw the practice of adding riders to bills? Why are congressmen allowed to add unrelated items in the first place? If the project is that important, include it in the original version of the bill, or place it on a seperate bill.
May 4th, 2006 at 2:49 pmCheap political points is all they got. Its all they ever had.
“Hey look! Its a dork with glasses that likes books! Lets beat him up then go have a beer!” Yeeeehaaaaa!
Yep, cheap political points is all they ever had.
May 4th, 2006 at 2:56 pm#3–He has a very “I hate” Black and “not” white mentality
May 4th, 2006 at 2:56 pm#17 Nope, TP is just exposing the incongruence of Bush’s positions.
As Bush was doing on Kerry, but when he did it it was ‘cheap political points’ according to TP.
May 4th, 2006 at 2:56 pmIsn’t that what TP is doing by posting on this?
Nope, TP is just exposing the incongruence of Bush’s positions.
Comment by Manuel — May 4, 2006 @ 2:48 pm
Beat me to it Manuel.
I liken the mindset of squeege to commonly known situation in basketball. “It’s the retaliation foul that gets called.” Meaning, if I throw an elbow under the basket while fighting for a rebound, and the guy gets pissed and shoves me to the floor, I bet $100 he gets called for a foul, and not me.
Similar situation here.
Bush takes statements made by Kerry out of context, and gets a free pass. The left then points out that Bush is essentially doing the same thing that Kerry did.
We get called on the foul.
May 4th, 2006 at 2:57 pmBobcat
“We get called on the foul.”
So TP also fouled then? I’m not saying Bush wasn’t doing it for cheap political points, I’m just saying that TP doing it is also cheap political points.
May 4th, 2006 at 3:01 pm#12 – Jay Randal regales us with his “eye witness” account of a poorly run business and assumes all business is the same. That seems logical and rational to some progs….”and BTW, screw the Preznit – he’s a Republican…” – - BRILLIANT, Jay!
Seixon – Of course this site has to knit together 10 or 12 new offerings for the 30-40 progs who visit here. You are right – Bushes threatened veto of the pork-laden bill is NOT the same as John Fonda Kerry’s pandering for votes – but when has that stopped a prog?? I am still waiting for a correction on another thread from a “prog-ployee” who doesn’t know the differnce between a bill and a law. Worse, he MIGHT know – but thinks the readership here is so stupid, they’ll believe ANYTHING….
May 4th, 2006 at 3:02 pmIt seems President Bush is learning that massive supplemental spending bills are complicated matters after all, not just an opportunity to score cheap political points.
One problem with that statement. The president is incapable of learning anything from situations based in reality.
May 4th, 2006 at 3:03 pmAh, the flip flopper in chief is at it again. Here is a litany of his hypocracy that surprisingly hasn’t made the blog rounds… to my knowledge at least…
1. Social Security Surplus
May 4th, 2006 at 3:08 pmBUSH PLEDGES NOT TO TOUCH SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUS… “We’re going to keep the promise of Social Security and keep the government from raiding the Social Security surplus.” [President Bush, 3/3/01]
…BUSH SPENDS SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUS The New York Times reported that “the president’s new budget uses Social Security surpluses to pay for other programs every year through 2013, ultimately diverting more than $1.4 trillion in Social Security funds to other purposes.” [The New York Times, 2/6/02]
2. Patient’s Right to Sue
GOVERNOR BUSH VETOES PATIENTS’ RIGHT TO SUE… “Despite his campaign rhetoric in favor of a patients’ bill of rights, Bush fought such a bill tooth and nail as Texas governor, vetoing a bill coauthored by Republican state Rep. John Smithee in 1995. He… constantly opposed a patient’s right to sue an HMO over coverage denied that resulted in adverse health effects.” [Salon, 2/7/01]
…CANDIDATE BUSH PRAISES TEXAS PATIENTS’ RIGHT TO SUE… “We’re one of the first states that said you can sue an HMO for denying you proper coverage… It’s time for our nation to come together and do what’s right for the people. And I think this is right for the people. You know, I support a national patients’ bill of rights, Mr. Vice President. And I want all people covered. I don’t want the law to supersede good law like we’ve got in Texas.” [Governor Bush, 10/17/00]
…PRESIDENT BUSH’S ADMINISTRATION ARGUES AGAINST RIGHT TO SUE “To let two Texas consumers, Juan Davila and Ruby R. Calad, sue their managed-care companies for wrongful denials of medical benefits ‘would be to completely undermine’ federal law regulating employee benefits, Assistant Solicitor General James A. Feldman said at oral argument March 23. Moreover, the administration’s brief attacked the policy rationale for Texas’s law, which is similar to statutes on the books in nine other states.” [Washington Post, 4/5/04]
3. Tobacco Buyout
BUSH SUPPORTS CURRENT TOBACCO FARMERS’ QUOTA SYSTEM… “They’ve got the quota system in place — the allotment system — and I don’t think that needs to be changed.” [President Bush, 5/04]
…BUSH ADMINISTRATION WILL SUPPORT FEDERAL BUYOUT OF TOBACCO QUOTAS “The administration is open to a buyout.” [White House spokeswoman Jeanie Mamo, 6/18/04]
4. North Korea
BUSH WILL NOT OFFER NUCLEAR NORTH KOREA INCENTIVES TO DISARM… “We developed a bold approach under which, if the North addressed our long-standing concerns, the United States was prepared to take important steps that would have significantly improved the lives of the North Korean people. Now that North Korea’s covert nuclear weapons program has come to light, we are unable to pursue this approach.” [President's Statement, 11/15/02]
…BUSH ADMINISTRATION OFFERS NORTH KOREA INCENTIVES TO DISARM”Well, we will work to take steps to ease their political and economic isolation. So there would be — what you would see would be some provisional or temporary proposals that would only lead to lasting benefit after North Korea dismantles its nuclear programs. So there would be some provisional or temporary efforts of that nature.” [White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan, 6/23/04]
5. Abortion
BUSH SUPPORTS A WOMAN’S RIGHT TO CHOOSE… “Bush said he…favors leaving up to a woman and her doctor the abortion question.” [The Nation, 6/15/00, quoting the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal, 5/78]
…BUSH OPPOSES A WOMAN’S RIGHT TO CHOOSE “I am pro-life.” [Governor Bush, 10/3/00]
6. OPEC
BUSH PROMISES TO FORCE OPEC TO LOWER PRICES… “What I think the president ought to do [when gas prices spike] is he ought to get on the phone with the OPEC cartel and say we expect you to open your spigots…And the president of the United States must jawbone OPEC members to lower the price.” [President Bush, 1/26/00]
…BUSH REFUSES TO LOBBY OPEC LEADERS With gas prices soaring in the United States at the beginning of 2004, the Miami Herald reported the president refused to “personally lobby oil cartel leaders to change their minds.” [Miami Herald, 4/1/04]
7. Iraq Funding
BUSH SPOKESMAN DENIES NEED FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THE REST OF 2004… “We do not anticipate requesting supplemental funding for ‘04″ [White House Budget Director Joshua Bolton, 2/2/04]
…BUSH REQUESTS ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR IRAQ FOR 2004 “I am requesting that Congress establish a $25 billion contingency reserve fund for the coming fiscal year to meet all commitments to our troops.” [President Bush, Statement by President, 5/5/04]
8. Condoleeza Rice Testimony
BUSH SPOKESMAN SAYS RICE WON’T TESTIFY AS ‘A MATTER OF PRINCIPLE’… “Again, this is not her personal preference; this goes back to a matter of principle. There is a separation of powers issue involved here. Historically, White House staffers do not testify before legislative bodies. So it’s a matter of principle, not a matter of preference.” [White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan, 3/9/04]
…BUSH ORDERS RICE TO TESTIFY: “Today I have informed the Commission on Terrorist Attacks Against the United States that my National Security Advisor, Dr. Condoleezza Rice, will provide public testimony.” [President Bush, 3/30/04]
9. Science
BUSH PLEDGES TO ISSUE REGULATIONS BASED ON SCIENCE…”I think we ought to have high standards set by agencies that rely upon science, not by what may feel good or what sounds good.” [then-Governor George W. Bush, 1/15/00]
…BUSH ADMINISTRATION REGULATIONS IGNORE SCIENCE “60 leading scientists—including Nobel laureates, leading medical experts, former federal agency directors and university chairs and presidents—issued a statement calling for regulatory and legislative action to restore scientific integrity to federal policymaking. According to the scientists, the Bush administration has, among other abuses, suppressed and distorted scientific analysis from federal agencies, and taken actions that have undermined the quality of scientific advisory panels.” [Union of Concerned Scientists, 2/18/04]
10. Ahmed Chalabi
BUSH INVITES CHALABI TO STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS…President Bush also met with Chalabi during his brief trip to Iraq last Thanksgiving [White House Documents 1/20/04, 11/27/03]
…BUSH MILITARY ASSISTS IN RAID OF CHALABI’S HOUSE “U.S. soldiers raided the home of America’s one-time ally Ahmad Chalabi on Thursday and seized documents and computers.” [Washington Post, 5/20/04]
11. Department of Homeland Security
BUSH OPPOSES THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY…”So, creating a Cabinet office doesn’t solve the problem. You still will have agencies within the federal government that have to be coordinated. So the answer is that creating a Cabinet post doesn’t solve anything.” [White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, 3/19/02]
…BUSH SUPPORTS THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY “So tonight, I ask the Congress to join me in creating a single, permanent department with an overriding and urgent mission: securing the homeland of America and protecting the American people.” [President Bush, Address to the Nation, 6/6/02]
12. Weapons of Mass Destruction
BUSH SAYS WE FOUND THE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION…”We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories…for those who say we haven’t found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they’re wrong, we found them.” [President Bush, Interview in Poland, 5/29/03]
…BUSH SAYS WE HAVEN’T FOUND WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION “David Kay has found the capacity to produce weapons.And when David Kay goes in and says we haven’t found stockpiles yet, and there’s theories as to where the weapons went. They could have been destroyed during the war. Saddam and his henchmen could have destroyed them as we entered into Iraq. They could be hidden. They could have been transported to another country, and we’ll find out.” [President Bush, Meet the Press, 2/7/04]
13. Free Trade
BUSH SUPPORTS FREE TRADE… “I believe strongly that if we promote trade, and when we promote trade, it will help workers on both sides of this issue.” [President Bush in Peru, 3/23/02]
…BUSH SUPPORTS RESTRICTIONS ON TRADE “In a decision largely driven by his political advisers, President Bush set aside his free-trade principles last year and imposed heavy tariffs on imported steel to help out struggling mills in Pennsylvania and West Virginia, two states crucial for his reelection.” [Washington Post, 9/19/03]
14. Osama Bin Laden
BUSH WANTS OSAMA DEAD OR ALIVE… “I want justice. And there’s an old poster out West, I recall, that says, ‘Wanted: Dead or Alive.’” [President Bush, on Osama Bin Laden, 09/17/01]
…BUSH DOESN’T CARE ABOUT OSAMA “I don’t know where he is.You know, I just don’t spend that much time on him… I truly am not that concerned about him.”[President Bush, Press Conference, 3/13/02]
15. The Environment
BUSH SUPPORTS MANDATORY CAPS ON CARBON DIOXIDE… “[If elected], Governor Bush will work to…establish mandatory reduction targets for emissions of four main pollutants: sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxide, mercury and carbon dioxide.” [Bush Environmental Plan, 9/29/00]
…BUSH OPPOSES MANDATORY CAPS ON CARBON DIOXIDE “I do not believe, however, that the government should impose on power plants mandatory emissions reductions for carbon dioxide, which is not a ‘pollutant’ under the Clean Air Act.” [President Bush, Letter to Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE), 3/13/03]
16. WMD Commission
BUSH RESISTS AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATION ON WMD INTELLIGENCE FAILURE… “The White House immediately turned aside the calls from Kay and many Democrats for an immediate outside investigation, seeking to head off any new wide-ranging election-year inquiry that might go beyond reports already being assembled by congressional committees and the Central Intelligence Agency.” [NY Times, 1/29/04]
…BUSH SUPPORTS AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATION ON WMD INTELLIGENCE FAILURE “Today, by executive order, I am creating an independent commission, chaired by Governor and former Senator Chuck Robb, Judge Laurence Silberman, to look at American intelligence capabilities, especially our intelligence about weapons of mass destruction.” [President Bush, 2/6/04]
17. Creation of the 9/11 Commission
BUSH OPPOSES CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION… “President Bush took a few minutes during his trip to Europe Thursday to voice his opposition to establishing a special commission to probe how the government dealt with terror warnings before Sept. 11.” [CBS News, 5/23/02]
…BUSH SUPPORTS CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION “President Bush said today he now supports establishing an independent commission to investigate the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.” [ABC News, 09/20/02]
18. Time Extension for 9/11 Commission
BUSH OPPOSES TIME EXTENSION FOR 9/11 COMMISSION… “President Bush and House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) have decided to oppose granting more time to an independent commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.” [Washington Post, 1/19/04]
…BUSH SUPPORTS TIME EXTENSION FOR 9/11 COMMISSION “The White House announced Wednesday its support for a request from the commission investigating the September 11, 2001 attacks for more time to complete its work.” [CNN, 2/4/04]
19. One Hour Limit for 9/11 Commission Testimony
BUSH LIMITS TESTIMONY IN FRONT OF 9/11 COMMISSION TO ONE HOUR… “President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney have placed strict limits on the private interviews they will grant to the federal commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks, saying that they will meet only with the panel’s top two officials and that Mr. Bush will submit to only a single hour of questioning, commission members said Wednesday.” [NY Times, 2/26/04]
…BUSH SETS NO TIMELIMIT FOR TESTIMONY “The president’s going to answer all of the questions they want to raise. Nobody’s watching the clock.” [White House spokesman Scott McClellan, 3/10/04]
20. Gay Marriage
BUSH SAYS GAY MARRIAGE IS A STATE ISSUE… “The state can do what they want to do. Don’t try to trap me in this state’s issue like you’re trying to get me into.” [Gov. George W. Bush on Gay Marriage, Larry King Live, 2/15/00]
…BUSH SUPPORTS CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT BANNING GAY MARRIAGE “Today I call upon the Congress to promptly pass, and to send to the states for ratification, an amendment to our Constitution defining and protecting marriage as a union of man and woman as husband and wife.” [President Bush, 2/24/04]
21. Nation Building
BUSH OPPOSES NATION BUILDING… “If we don’t stop extending our troops all around the world in nation-building missions, then we’re going to have a serious problem coming down the road.” [Gov. George W. Bush, 10/3/00]
…BUSH SUPPORTS NATION BUILDING “We will be changing the regime of Iraq, for the good of the Iraqi people.” [President Bush, 3/6/03]
22. Saddam/al Qaeda Link
BUSH SAYS IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEEN AL QAEDA AND SADDAM… “You can’t distinguish between al Qaeda and Saddam when you talk about the war on terror.” [President Bush, 9/25/02]
…BUSH SAYS SADDAM HAD NO ROLE IN AL QAEDA PLOT “We’ve had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved in Sept. 11.” [President Bush, 9/17/03]
23. U.N. Resolution
BUSH VOWS TO HAVE A UN VOTE NO MATTER WHAT… “No matter what the whip count is, we’re calling for the vote. We want to see people stand up and say what their opinion is about Saddam Hussein and the utility of the United Nations Security Council. And so, you bet. It’s time for people to show their cards, to let the world know where they stand when it comes to Saddam.” [President Bush 3/6/03]
…BUSH WITHDRAWS REQUEST FOR VOTE “At a National Security Council meeting convened at the White House at 8:55 a.m., Bush finalized the decision to withdraw the resolution from consideration and prepared to deliver an address to the nation that had already been written.” [Washington Post, 3/18/03]
24. Involvement in the Palestinian Conflict
BUSH OPPOSES SUMMITS… “Well, we’ve tried summits in the past, as you may remember. It wasn’t all that long ago where a summit was called and nothing happened, and as a result we had significant intifada in the area.” [President Bush, 04/05/02]
…BUSH SUPPORTS SUMMITS “If a meeting advances progress toward two states living side by side in peace, I will strongly consider such a meeting. I’m committed to working toward peace in the Middle East.” [President Bush, 5/23/03]
25. Campaign Finance
BUSH OPPOSES MCCAIN-FEINGOLD… “George W. Bush opposes McCain-Feingold…as an infringement on free expression.” [Washington Post, 3/28/2000]
…BUSH SIGNS MCCAIN-FEINGOLD INTO LAW “[T]his bill improves the current system of financing for Federal campaigns, and therefore I have signed it into law.” [President Bush, at the McCain-Feingold signing ceremony, 03/27/02]
26. 527s
Bush opposes restrictions on 527s: “I also have reservations about the constitutionality of the broad ban on issue advertising [in McCain Feingold], which restrains the speech of a wide variety of groups on issues of public import.” [President Bush, 3/27/02]
…Bush says 527s bad for system: “I don’t think we ought to have 527s. I can’t be more plain about it…I think they’re bad for the system. That’s why I signed the bill, McCain-Feingold.” [President Bush, 8/23/04]
27. Medical Records
Bush says medical records must remain private: “I believe that we must protect…the right of every American to have confidence that his or her personal medical records will remain private.” [President Bush, 4/12/01]
…Bush says patients’ histories are not confidntial: The Justice Department…asserts that patients “no longer possess a reasonable expectation that their histories will remain completely confidential.” [BusinessWeek, 4/30/04]
28. Timelines For Dictators
Bush sets timeline for Saddam: “If Iraq does not accept the terms within a week of passage or fails to disclose required information within 30 days, the resolution authorizes ‘all necessary means’ to force compliance–in other words, a military attack.” [LA Times, 10/3/02]
…Bush says he’s against timelines: “I don’t think you give timelines to dictators.” [President Bush, 8/27/04]
29. The Great Lakes
Bush wants to divert great lakes: “Even though experts say ‘diverting any water from the Great Lakes region sets a bad precedent’ Bush ’said he wants to talk to Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chrétien about piping water to parched states in the west and southwest.’– [AP, 7/19/01]
Bush says he’ll never divert Great Lakes: “We’ve got to use our resources wisely, like water. It starts with keeping the Great Lakes water in the Great Lakes Basin…My position is clear: We’re never going to allow diversion of Great Lakes water.” [President Bush, 8/16/04]
30. Winning The War On Terror
Bush claims he can win the war on terror: “One of the interesting things people ask me, now that we’re asking questions, is, can you ever win the war on terror? Of course, you can.” [President Bush, 4/13/04]
…Bush says war on terror is unwinnable: “I don’t think you can win [the war on terror].” [President Bush, 8/30/04]
…Bush says he will win the war on terror: “Make no mistake about it, we are winning and we will win [the war on terror].” [President Bush, 8/31/04]
Post 24 Mighty Moron > when you tell us all about your being a male drag queen masquerading as a female on here, then we might answer some of your questions?! Defend vile corporations and Bush on here > just proves you are one of their slaves!
May 4th, 2006 at 3:08 pm#24. How about this: I was a vice president for a multi-million dollar engineering company, with a budget of $14m and over 100 employees in my business unit. Now, have a law degree and practice corporate law. Do you think I’m qualified to comment here? Are you more or less qualified?? I’m guessing that, compared to the average reader here, you are the stupid one.
May 4th, 2006 at 3:09 pmIn case you missed it some people nailed Rumsfeld with some pointed questions on CNN a few minutes ago … maybe you can see some replays…
May 4th, 2006 at 3:13 pm#26 Pete, there’s a huge difference between flip-flopper and liar.
Bush is a pathological liar. The only flip flopping he does is in the bedroom eg. Karl Rove.
May 4th, 2006 at 3:13 pm#23
May 4th, 2006 at 3:13 pmCome on Sqeeg. How can you use cheap political points if you are not running for office? Is TP running for Congress? Jesus, make a real point.
#31 “How can you use cheap political points if you are not running for office? ”
So you don’t think the swiftboat ads were cheap political points? The people doing them wern’t running for office.
May 4th, 2006 at 3:17 pmI really don’t know how to classify Bu$h anymore. Except maybe that he is the despot that our founding fathers warned against.
May 4th, 2006 at 3:17 pmDang Pete, that was a great post. So now we not only have a Decider – in – Cheif, we have a Flip – Flopper – in – Cheif.
May 4th, 2006 at 3:18 pm#32
May 4th, 2006 at 3:18 pmNo those were basically slander and lies all mixed up together.
the $100 rebate idea was pretty much for cheap political points.
May 4th, 2006 at 3:23 pm#36
May 4th, 2006 at 3:27 pmOther cheap political points made by some un-named pol.
Saying that a white political opponent had a black baby out of marriage.
Calling a veteran that lost limbs in a war that he was unpatriotic.
Jay – You sound like one of my younger sisters when she was about 10 years old. For the most part we ignored her.
May 4th, 2006 at 3:28 pm#38: that’s funny, because George W. Bush has the brain of a 10-year-old girl.
May 4th, 2006 at 3:31 pmLol MA post 38 > you never answer the questions asked of you, nor do you deny any charges leveled at you either! A real lawyer tends to chose their words carefully and stays away from slander or nasty words! WE all find you amusing on here > lol.
May 4th, 2006 at 3:33 pmPeople, people. Kerry flip flopped on $87 billion. Bush changed his mind on $94 billion. Totally different. Why do you hate America?
/sarcasm
May 4th, 2006 at 3:36 pmMA you have to be Ann Coulter or her/his sister/brother > lol.
May 4th, 2006 at 3:36 pm41: By hating Bu$h, we hate America? Just what are you saying? Bu$h is the sole embodiment of the United States? Do yourself a favor and go enroll in a civics class. Or google “despotism”. At any rate, what is flip flopping? A change of mind?
May 4th, 2006 at 3:42 pmWhy don’t you read a little closer, pete. Maybe that tagline at the end? Sheesh.
May 4th, 2006 at 3:44 pmahhh… my apologies… failed to notice the /sarcasm…
May 4th, 2006 at 3:44 pm#43, #41 was meant as sarcasm, thus the /sarcasm off.
I do agree with you however. I don’t know how Bush=America. he is a president, not the USofA.
May 4th, 2006 at 3:45 pm“Jay – You sound like one of my younger sisters when she was about 10 years old. For the most part we ignored her. Comment by mighty aphrodite ”
Get more of the Glib ’stories’ from the resident Sociopath – BORING! Zzzzz….
May 4th, 2006 at 3:47 pmJay – The truth is a perfect defense against slander. You leap to conclusions supported by nothing morwe than your own meager experiences. But don’t feel badly, every conversation is made up of two components – maybe it’s your role to be a “good listener”.
May 4th, 2006 at 3:49 pmscore cheap political points : That’s are President.
And we should add, the Press did not call him out on anything.
May 4th, 2006 at 3:50 pmThese our Twlight Zone years.
“*****Judd, I’m feeling like this is a MAGICAL moment – we agree on SOMETHING! Don’t worry, I’m sure the glow will only last for 3-4 seconds – I don’t want to cost you your job. Comment by mighty moron”
An overinflated sense of ’self worth’ – yet another example of Mighty Sociopath demonstrating his mental illness… Go take some Thorozine mighty moron, your ‘opinion’ isn’t important, and your ‘legal advice’ is worth exactly how much we’ve paid for it….
May 4th, 2006 at 3:51 pm“Seixon – Of course this site has to knit together 10 or 12 new offerings for the 30-40 progs who visit here. Mighty Moron”
As opposed to the 3 or 4 TROLLSSS who come her to lie, smear, and generally spread propaganda and disinformation. You’re a sick sad sack of crap.
May 4th, 2006 at 3:52 pm“Jay – The truth is a perfect defense against slander. Mighty Moron”
That’s true, reality has a liberal bias, and your SLANDER is usually dismantled very quickly.
“You leap to conclusions supported by nothing morwe than your own meager experiences. Mighty Moron”
Wow, you must have been looking in the mirror when you posted this ‘projection’.
“But don’t feel badly, every conversation is made up of two components – maybe it’s your role to be a “good listenerâ€. Comment by mighty moron”
Bahaha, yet another example of your lack of skills with the english language. What you describe is a LECTURE, not a CONVERSATION. No wonder you hate PROFESSORS, you’re so DUMB you think it’s a CONVERSATION – BAHAHAHA
And what’s worse, you’re SO RETARDED, you actually think your ‘trolling’ is a conversation.
May 4th, 2006 at 3:55 pmCareful Shrub, if you keep flip-flopping your thick layer of slime may wear off.
May 4th, 2006 at 3:58 pmSo, a Canadian asked me today why so many people in United States still support Bush and his policies. And I looked at her and said, “Ummmmm….. uh…. hmmmm… well, it’s like this, you see….. uhhhhhh…. well, fool me once, shame on you, fool me a second time….. hey! How about those hockey playoffs!?!”
May 4th, 2006 at 4:09 pm“Bush’s veto threat may be appropriate. There are some shameful pork barrel projects tacked onto the Senate bill,”
I read this cool site ThinkProgress, and they outed the REAL reason for Bush’s veto:
“Senate Speaks: No Permanent Bases In Iraq
Yesterday, the Senate unanimously passed an amendment to the Iraq supplemental spending bill proposed by Sen. Joseph Biden (D-DE) that would require the Bush administration not to use any appropriated funds for the construction of permanent bases in Iraq.”
Go to the site, go to this thread, and then scroll down a tiny bit. Those folks at ThinkProgress nailed the reason, so there is no reason why you folks at ThinkProgress should fail to see the connection.
The Fascist Am. Bush doesn’t want to hand the Senate a role in Deciding, especially not for Deciding about airbase funding. Deciding is for ONE PLAYER ONLY. And those airbases MUST be completed, or else Jesus won’t be able to come back.
May 4th, 2006 at 4:28 pmbtw, bush threatened to veto the $87 billion as well.
his hypocracy was evident in real time during the 2004 campaign, if anyone in the press had bothered to notice.
May 4th, 2006 at 4:51 pmdon’t count on that prick learning anything.
May 4th, 2006 at 5:36 pm.
OK, first we have to stop repeating the mythology of the Bush ‘04 campaign, because clearly even a lot of the “progs” seem to have bought into the idea that Kerry is a “flip flopper.” He said it was a “complicated” matter, and this is because he wasn’t merely concerned about the lack of Congressional oversight over the disbursement of funds, it also had to do with his opposition to the fact that the final bill failed to take into account the egregious tax cut which was CLEARLY out of sorts with what priorities should have been during a time when the President was asking the American people to make sacrifices.
Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. (Del.), the ranking Democrat on the Foreign Relations Committee, introduced legislation yesterday to finance the $87 billion package by reducing the size of Bush’s tax cut for the wealthiest 1 percent of Americans. The proposal, cosponsored by Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.), a presidential aspirant, would increase the top tax rates from 2005 through 2010 for those with taxable incomes of more than $312,000 a year.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A26677-2003Sep17?language=printer
When Kerry said he “voted for the $87 billion before” voting against it, he was being ironic. The guy lost the election because people were offended by the fact that he sounded TOO SMART! Do you think he honestly would have made such a stupid slip? Unlike the guys in our current administration. Rumsfeld lies about his pre-war claims on WMD but this time he gets CAUGHT, and as for Bush, well, I wouldn’t call him a flip flopper, because his priorities, e.g. the rich and not asking them to sacrifice in order to help out the rest of the country, have definitely not changed. Everyone screams about how earmarks are such a terrible thing, but other than stupid projects like the bridge to nowhere, federal funding for state and city projects is a good thing, if it’s performed properly, it provides jobs and money to the states. Note the “performed properly” though.
May 4th, 2006 at 6:24 pm“The guy lost the election because people were offended by the fact that he sounded TOO SMART!”
No, Alexandra, the guy lost the election because he won, and during a coup winning is not allowed.
We paid $125,000 for a recount of Ohio, which Bush lost (and thereby the presidency), but the Bush campaign chair/ Secretary of State in Ohio, Kenneth ‘Katherine’ Harris defied a court order and didn’t give it to us — ANY of us.
EIGHTY PERCENT OF US VOTES WENT THROUGH pro-BUSH VOTE-WASHING MACHINES IN 2004.
It’s worse this year.
May 4th, 2006 at 7:03 pmMighty Moron is an important person in ITS own mind > lol. IT wants us to believe its female, but has the mouth and mind of a male drag queen taking female hormones to grow breasts! IT never denies this fact, but tries to change the subject, or calls us names!
I have never met a lawyer who talks that way or thinks so stupidly as MA! IT cannot be a real lawyer, but perhaps a law clerk who failed to pass the Bar Exam! IT also made up a story that IT has a husband and kids > lol.
I am up in age and widely traveled, so have lots of life experiences, unlike IT!
May 4th, 2006 at 8:07 pmBush could not find his veto stamp if his life depended on it. Bush has NEVER in his first term and near his second term veto ANYTHING! I think Bush threw out the veto stamp once Clinton left office.
May 4th, 2006 at 8:19 pmPaul in LA, I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that you are correct, as I have heard plenty of suspicious stories about Diebold and the like myself. However, being the Kerry supporter that I am, people tend not to take me too seriously when I point out such information that goes against the “official” version of things, and in the end, it doesn’t matter what I claim anyway.
May 4th, 2006 at 9:22 pmPaul in LA, I have no doubt the election was rigged either.
In April Illinois held its Primary for Governor with our new electronic voting machines.
There was nothing but problems. The outcome of the race was delayed.
Illinois is a blue state, always has been and always will be. If a stupid republican (like stupidass Hastert) wins this November we can be sure that the election was rigged.
In Illinois, the word republican is a dirty word.
Stay tuned, you may witness Anarchy in Illinois this November.
May 4th, 2006 at 9:51 pmRyan,
Good job at attacking and smearing without actually debating. As always. Hat’s off to ya. I know I couldn’t live with myself if I did what you do every day.
May 5th, 2006 at 12:59 am# 63;S.R.; You’re good.
May 5th, 2006 at 2:08 amPost 67 Ryan > Seixon really set himself up on his last post > lol. It is hard to understand how someone like him can live with himself defending Dubya Dunce Decider? I believe you answered him well! I feel sorry the most for Mighty Moron > the guy tries to tell people on here he is female, but obviously NOT!
May 5th, 2006 at 2:38 amAnyone who doesn’t understand that Ryan is a great debater isn’t smart enough to understand the facts he presents. Or the fact that he presents facts :).
May 5th, 2006 at 7:27 amKing George is now threatening to veto this bill. I say why bother? He has effectively vetoed nearly every bill he has signed with his signing statements which in my mind amount to full veto or line item veto depending upon how the administration interpretsthe statements. In effect Bush is not going to be the first president to not veto a single bill, he is going to be the first president to effectively veto everything that crosses his desk.
May 5th, 2006 at 12:56 pmThe repugs are masters of selling the ’simple lie’ to the populace (because its what they want to hear) while simultaneously implementing policy that benefits only the elite in our society (e.g. – tax “reform”, energy policy, prescription drug bill, etc.).
It is amazing that people buy this malarky… At least the repugs appear to be collapsing under the weight of their own greed.
May 8th, 2006 at 5:17 pm