Hey nice read!

Thanks for this. Nice job.

I can not agree with you in 100% regarding some thoughts, but you got good point of view

“No, the issue is one of whether Saddam was in any way an IMMINENT THREAT to the US, which left pre-emptive war as the only recourse.”

And just why do you think that an imminent threat, determined by who BTW, is the ONLY green light for a country to take action against another county? Almost the entire Congress of the U.S. gave the president the authority to take Saddam out. There was a cease fire agreement signed at the end of the first Gulf War the Saddam violated continuously thoughout the 1990s. If you want to get technical about it hostilities NEVER ended after the agreement was signed.

“Whether he might have some semblence of an WMD program is utterly irrelevant.”

Are you going to apply your BS logic to Iran? The U.N. Security Council has a vastly different take which makes your statement irrelevant.

Yes, the American government lied to the American people.. with the intentions of ensuring the pampered, high standard of living Americans enjoy. They had to lie about their ulterior motives because it is pretty difficult to justify launching a war and kililng thousands of innocents because of oil. Instead, they fabricate reasons about “freedm and democracy” and al that bullshit.

This is the dirty little secret that the American elites are all aware of. Don’t think they don’t knkow what this war is about. They don’t really care if Bush lied or not. .they know the real reason this war was launched, and it was to benefit America and Americans. The bit about killing thousands of innocents.. they coudln’t care less. There is an unspoken, tacit understanding about this within the elite establishment, i.e., government, military, media and corporate elites.

So Matt.. are you saying you approve of launching wars that kill thousands to secure resources? Is this the whole ‘realpolitik’ i.e., justification of murder, reason?

The American people are complicit in murder. Or at least, the American elite establishment who are well aware of the real reasons for this war. The government lies about the ulterior reason to conduct ‘international business’ as Matt so euphemistially puts it, i.e., launch wars and murder thousands, to the American public, and the American propaganda machine does its function to fool the American public. This is nothing new.. This is American foreign policy 101. The only difference is because of the internet and the ability for Americans to get a larger perspective than is allowd in the tightly-controlled, restrictive, propagandistic MSM media. This has allowed Americans to get a lot more information and perspective that they were unable to get before, thanks to the stranglehold the MSM had on information. Now Americans are seeing the true nature of their country’s foreign policy.

So what are you doing to do about it

And you belittle, berate, and despise the French for being “defeatists” and “appeasers”?

Yet another one of your contradictory posts.

Mr. McGovern is the second best word parser out there!

Pray tell, how are we supposed to understand the sentence: “We know where [the WMD] are. They’re in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.” Does it mean that they knew where the WMD were, as it clearly states, or something else -as you would have us believe?

Who should we believe: You, or our own lying eyes?

The point is not whether or not Saddam had some semblence of a WMD program. Sure, nobody could guarantee 100% either way, i.e., that he for sure didn’t have a WMD program, or that he for sure did have one. This is the biggest fallacy that is pushed by idiots like you, and the accomplices of propaganda on the MSM when they bring out that stupid, tired “rebuttal” that France and Germany thought Saddam had WMDs, etc. No, the issue is one of whether Saddam was in any way an IMMINENT THREAT to the US, which left pre-emptive war as the only recourse. The idea that Saddam would attack the US is absurd. Saddam was a ruthless dictator.. but he wasn’t a mad man. Why the hell would he attack the US, knowing full well the certain retaliation he would face from America?

War is not a trivial matter.. the US had NO RIGHT to launch a war like this and kill thousands and thousands of civilians based on the most flimsiest and tenuous justifications. There was absolutely nothing to indicate that Saddam was in any way an imminent threat. Whether he might have some semblence of an WMD program is utterly irrelevant.

Saddam, even if he had some semblence of a WMD program, which even the US inspectors were not able to find after checking the “suspicious sites”, was in an

Mr. McGovern is the second best word parser out there!

It was PROVEN Saddam had WMDs prior to the first Gulf War. Tell us why he didn’t use them back then?

“He already knew there were no active programs”

“He lied by omission.”

When and where was that stated? Since there there is undeniable evidence of Saddam having clandestine WMD programs and if there WAS disputed information as to the existance of these programs, prudence demands that you go with the evidence that says yes these programs still exist.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/earlywarning/2006/05/rumsfeld_didnt_lie_but_he_shou.html

I have vowed to keep posting on that sight until an American news org. runs the headline “Rumsfeld lied”. So far every U.S. news artical has said stuff like “Rumsfeld’s mistakes”. “Rumsfeld’s misteps”…etc

Given what happened with Rumsfeld and McGovern, why is this? The whole LEGAL argument that the U.S. has been using to defend this action has been that this was a “MISTAKE” and not a “LIE”. The mainstrem media knows that if it posts a news article that it was a lie, there would be no defense for impeachment.

Please spread the word….it’s time to fight

In case you need more QUOTES, please check this link:

The Bush Administration on Iraq’s Weapons of Mass Destruction Capabilities:
http://www.carnegieendowment.org/static/npp/bush_admin_quotes.cfm