The NeoCon Motto: Never Lose Faith In Someone Who Tells You What You Want To Hear
The NeoCon Motto: Never Lose Faith In Someone Who Tells You What You Want To Hear
In January, prominent neo-conservative Michael Ledeen (Karl Rove’s point man on foreign policy), writing for the National Review, reported that Osama Bin Laden had died last December:
And, according to Iranians I trust, Osama bin Laden finally departed this world in mid-December. The al Qaeda leader died of kidney failure and was buried in Iran, where he had spent most of his time since the destruction of al Qaeda in Afghanistan.
On April 23, Al-Jazeera broadcast a tape from Bin Laden (which the Bush administration believes is authentic) where he refers to events that occurred in late March. Ledeen responded the next day:
Bin Laden Tape [Michael Ledeen]
Obviously, if that was really bin Laden, I was misinformed—and I in turn misinformed readers by passing it on—when I reported being told that bin Laden died in Iran in mid-December. I’ve gone back to my sources, who are serious people who have been accurate in the past, and I should hear back in a few days.
Well, nearly two weeks have past and we haven’t heard anything else from Ledeen about the subject. (His original article remains on National Review, without correction or comment.)
The moral: never believe neo-conservatives with “trustworthy†and “serious†sources who tell them what they want to hear.
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May 6th, 2006 at 5:46 pmNo one believes the noise in the National Review anyway, except neocons who want to reinforce their talking points. Like preachin’ to the choir. If any reasonable news source quotes them, they’re only furthering the rumors, inuendoes, excuses and apologies. The National Review is a paid neocon on steroids…please ignore these anally retentive sources…maybe they’ll wither from lack of attention.
May 6th, 2006 at 5:49 pmTell’em what they want to hear is the motto of almost every thing in the US anymore. Packaged products as a result of focus groups and are little more than reinforcement for good behavior. People “choose” the products which they are nothing more than a target market for including our “leadership”. Many Americans are living a life of slogans, cliches and talking points that have been created just for them. From TV ads for children to political ads for voters, it’s much all the same.
May 6th, 2006 at 5:57 pmThey lie to themselves and they lie to each other, and they know they’re telling lies.
That’s what’s so freakishly weird about neocons.
May 6th, 2006 at 6:11 pmNeo-conservativism is a cult.
May 6th, 2006 at 6:17 pmPlease check out this article on the connection between ABC TV, 9/11, PNAC, Blackwater USA, and Avian Flu. I’m new to this whole political blogging thing, so please, constructive criticism would be appreciated.
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May 6th, 2006 at 6:19 pmThe vote was taken at once, and it was agreed by an overwhelming majority that dirty Rat Lobbyists were Hordes. There were only four dissentients, the three Rovers’ and the lazy lying cat, who was afterwards discovered to have voted on both sides. Major Con continued:
“I have little more to say. I merely repeat, remember always your duty of enmity towards CEO and all his ways. Whatever goes upon two legs is an enemy. Whatever goes upon four legs, or has wings, is a friend. And remember also that in fighting against CEO, we must not come to resemble him. Even when you have conquered him, do not adopt his vices. No animal must ever live in a house, or sleep in a bed, or wear clothes, or drink alcohol, or smoke tobacco, or touch money, or engage in trade. All the habits of CEO are evil. And, above all, no animal must ever tyrannise over his own kind. Weak or strong, clever or simple, we are all brothers of the Herd. No brother of the Herd must ever kill any Brother of the Herd. All Herd are equal.
May 6th, 2006 at 6:21 pmMADRINO… well put!! couldnt agree with you more.
May 6th, 2006 at 6:22 pmNow they are talking Al Queda in Iran. I am sure these guys are aware that Al Queda is Wahhabist Arabs who think Persian Shiites are apostates. But, if they keep saying Iran and Al queda together, soon they are going to be tied together in people’s minds. Quote from our president “There’s an old saying in Tennessee — I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can’t get fooled again.” —George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002″. I understand there arr Al queda in Iran, IN PRISON. Iran won’t release them to the U.S. I guess they disapprove of our torture and rendition policy.
May 6th, 2006 at 6:24 pmA lie of course..
May 6th, 2006 at 6:24 pmNeo-Cons are borne and bred liars
[no not you PEOPLE, the LIE HOUSE ones]
Bush doesn’t know a Philistine from a Persian from Hindu
May 6th, 2006 at 6:28 pmfrom an Arab. If its in the Middle East and not ISRAEL they need to get regime changed
What can Mr. Leeden’s sources tell us about Elvis?
May 6th, 2006 at 6:33 pmWhat can Mr. Leeden’s sources tell us about Elvis?
Comment by SL Aronovitz — May 6, 2006 @ 6:33 pm
Think we canget him to find out about Santa as well? I’m due at least 25 Christmas’s worth of presents from the old guy… And in this Capitalistic nation, that’s a misdemeanor in 48 states! :)
May 6th, 2006 at 6:37 pmYet another case of foot-in-mouth disease among the neoconservative ranks — can’t say I’m surprised, since they clearly appear to apply the motto “shoot first and ask questions later” to their own mouths as well as to military force.
May 6th, 2006 at 6:41 pmmoral: never believe anyone that associates w rove etal.
May 6th, 2006 at 7:27 pmHE HASN’T HEARD BACK BECAUSE HIS “SERIOUS SOURCES’ ARE LAUGHING THEIR ASSES OFF.
May 6th, 2006 at 7:27 pm#14 Well you know the neocons….always shooting off something…the mouth, the face, etc. Shotgun, microphone…who can really tell the difference these days? Besides, it’s nothing a poker game and free hookers can’t fix.
May 6th, 2006 at 7:28 pmSo … what’s the big story here ??? A guy says that Iranian souces, whom he has come to trust, tells him OBL is dead … then when this turns out to not be the case, he publicly takes responsibility for misinformation at his hand …………………. isn’t this what we’d pefer people to do ??? Or is the fact that he’s a conservative mean he was “lying” (post 10 – why people believe they can tell when someone is lying rather than just saying something that turns out to be in incorrect is beyond me … but I digress)
The moral: never believe neo-conservative with “trustworthy†and “serious†sources who have information that reinforce the neo-conservative world view.
And how exactly is “OBL is dead” a neo-conservative world-view? Shouldn’t this just be a world “world-view” or at least a “hopeful wish” given what a heinous beast he is ??? This whole “radical right wing agenda” post, which in and of itself is a rather wild statement (”they’re not just right wing … they’re radical … and, boy, have they gots them an agenda”) is a huge reach … I’d love, even for a moment, for TP to put down its ultra sensitive neo-con agenda sniffer/decoder and stick to items that actually qualify as reportable and need-to-know for its base … c’mon, we’re talking about politicians … there’s PLENTY legitimate issues to raise … this post is piffle.
May 6th, 2006 at 8:02 pm#18 – “His original article remains on National Review, without correction or comment.”
An honest person would have a little thing called an UPDATE on the end of his article.
May 6th, 2006 at 8:11 pmThat’s why it’s a lie, Giacomo.
Surprise, the Republicans in power are kind of dumb.
May 6th, 2006 at 8:11 pmthe post says : The moral: never believe neo-conservative with “trustworthy†and “serious†sources who have information that reinforce the neo-conservative world view.
i suggest a surplusage of words. i would not trust a neoconservative to tell me the correct time, tell me that my shirt was burning, that there is a squirrel resting in my hair, or that at 11:40 pm it was dark outside. nor would i piss on a neoconservative if i saw one ablaze on the street, metaphorically speaking, of course…
ergo, the moral is: NEVER BELIEVE A NEOCONSERVATIVE.
May 6th, 2006 at 8:48 pmHey Giacamo- short sweet and to the point. Either youare baiting the brothers in the hope that you will stir up the troops or you are a Ignorant asshole!
May 6th, 2006 at 9:05 pmEither way-Since I am a really old fart bullshit doesn’t bother me – And I can read a phony quite easily, Thats’ what you are! sO STOP WASTING YOUR TIME AND EVERONE ELSES!
Get out your dee dee and start sucking, that should calm you down. Just remember that folks like ledeen and feith and wolfoshit just want a free pass to the heaven of 72 virgins but they don’t have the balls to be honest about it.
All I can tell you -you fool, is that there ain’t no virgins waiting for you. That I will guarantee!
billjpa
I think Giacomo has a point to a point =)
Michael A. Ledeen
American Enterprise Institute: Resident Scholar
Coalition for Democracy in Iran: Cofounder
American Spectator: Foreign Editor
If Leeden had ‘Serious sources’ That told him wrongly about osama then we should certainly question Mr. Ledeen sources about Iran.
Seems to me that it’s not wether Mr Ledeen lied or not. He Flip Flopped.Fair Enough?
Mr Ledeen sits on many panels and boards for AEI.
May 6th, 2006 at 9:14 pmHeres my Rub;
If Mr. Lededeen is in this business of being an advisor to give good advice then why didn’t he use known sources.
Secondly it’s irresponsible for someone in a position, such as his, to advise America panels, and boards on such flimsy sources.
he helped promote the “Bulgarian Connection” theory that the KGB was behind the assassination attempt on the pope in 1981;
Let us also not forget Ledeens other “Conspiracy Theories” either.
May 6th, 2006 at 9:19 pmWASHINGTON – When The Washington Post published a list of the people whom Karl Rove, President George W Bush’s closest advisor, regularly consults for advice outside the administration, foreign policy veterans were shocked when Michael Ledeen popped up as the only full-time international affairs analyst. Scary EH? and to think he uses “Good” sources. Un huh yeh right, I aint buying it.
“The two met after Bush’s election,” the Post reported cheerfully, quoting Ledeen about Rove’s request that “any time you have a good idea, tell me”. “More than once, Ledeen has seen his ideas, faxed to Rove, become official policy or rhetoric,” noted the newspaper.
Rhetoric, do you see?
He speaks conspiracies, rhetoric, and uses bad intelligence, from folks such as “they will throw roses” Chalabi.
Inane.
May 6th, 2006 at 9:24 pmAll the criminal Neocons must be arrested and/or deported to Israel! Everything they spew is crap and propaganda! Ledeen can go straight to Hell!!!
May 6th, 2006 at 10:01 pmMaybe OBL was dead, but was resurrected on the third day and now sits at the right hand…
Naw, a little too far-fetched. The problem with Mr. Ledeen is that it is HARD WORK to keep up with a mis-information campaign, and keep the stories straight. If he and Karl Rove could just work a little more closely with their friends at al-Jaziera and al-Quaeda, they could prevent these little mix-ups from occuring.
May 6th, 2006 at 10:48 pmlook, for all we know, mr bin laden may have been killed and is in storage waiting for his entrance on the stage, oh, about october 13, 2006…that would win the fascists the mid-terms…
May 6th, 2006 at 10:51 pmMr. Ledeen is obviously listening to people who are selling him a bill of goods. Like most neocons he listens to and says things he wants to believe. That’s why these people shouldn’t be in charge of anything to do with power, because they are basically the, “Stupid American” who thinks he knows something, but doesn’t know his a– from a hole in the ground. There are lots of Iranians who will tell you anything you want to hear for the right price. That’s why Cheney, Rummy and Dubya were so willing to listen to Ahmed Chalibi about Iraq before the invasion. He basically used the United States to overthrow Sadam so he could rob the Country of it’s oil wealth once Sadam was out of the way.
It’s just like what General Custer said when he was told that there were about 10,000 Indians waiting for him at the little big horn. He was obviously a neo-con too and you see what happened to him and his men. If he had been willing to consider the possibility that Indians could form alliances and they could easily defeat him since he was out numbered more than 10 to 1, he might have lived to be an old man. I guess Neo-cons don’t remember the saying, “Fools rush in, where wise men dare not tread”. Wake up neo-cons, this is not the matrix and you can’t dodge bullets in real life. You guys are just a bunch of dumb jacka–es who think you can make 1+1 come out to 3. Since loose lips sink ships, I have a suggestion for you guys; Put the lips in a secure place and leave them there, because your lips are out of control.
May 6th, 2006 at 11:02 pm“A neoconservative is a liberal who’s been mugged by reality.”
Irving Kristol, godfather of the neoconservative movement.
Now it’s the neocons have been mugged by reality indeed. We just don’t have a new name for them yet.
For more, see:
May 6th, 2006 at 11:24 pmAbdul Rahman and the Death of the Bush Doctrine.”
Not one to mince words, Ledeen urged the then-newly installed Bush administration (National Review Online, March 8, 2001) to purge the “environmental whackos, radical feminazos,” and “foreign-policy types on the National Security Council Staff and throughout State, CIA, and Defense, who are still trying to create Bill Clinton’s legacy in the Middle East.”
Ledeen is a manipulator.
Tell George they are a ‘feminazos’
I guess Ledeen is a man-0-nazi
May 6th, 2006 at 11:56 pmOBL on tape?Are you sure it’s him? They wouldn’t kid us, would they, just to give us a feared enemy?
Take a look at “When Seeing and Hearing Isn’t Believing” by William M. Arkin
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/dotmil/arkin020199.htm
May 7th, 2006 at 1:14 amInteresting thing I discovered about the Porter Goss resignation: Goss originally retired from the CIA in 1972 due to a mysterious illness contacted in Central America. Ray McGovern retired from the CIA in 1994, after 27 years of service, so that means Porter and Ray worked together in the CIA from about 1968 to 1972, which means 5 years they were both agents. McGovern on past Thursday confronted Rumsfeld and exposed him as a proven liar on CNN, then on Friday afternoon Goss suddenly resigns? These 2 events are connected in some way!
Did a furious Rumsfeld call Goss to demand why his old pal McGovern humiliated him in public? Did Goss tell Rummy to go screw himself when he called him? Did Cheney then get pissed off? Did Dubya Dunce Decider get caught in this food fight and decided to side with Rumsfeld? Did Negroponte see an opportunity opening to get his stooge Hayden into the CIA as Director? Did the Cunningham sex scandal factor into this scenario to dump Goss?
May 7th, 2006 at 1:15 amLedeen’s sources on OBL are as solid as his yellow cake sources.
May 7th, 2006 at 1:16 amIf you all really are interested in knowing what is true, not just saying, follow my link and read some.
May 7th, 2006 at 6:52 amJay Randal you are my hero dujour! I love it when just a little squeak comes out then I have to wonder just what was that I heard.As far as Michael Ledeen is concerned, he is the one that talks to dead CIA agents thru a Ouija board. I will stick to just that fact, enough said for me.
May 7th, 2006 at 8:15 amMaybe OBL was dead, but was resurrected on the third day and now sits at the right hand…
Comment by CW — May 6, 2006 @ 10:48 pm
No more of less likely than anyone else doing it… LOL
May 7th, 2006 at 8:20 amMore on Porter Goss and Ray McGovern: Goss before he was appointed the CIA Director was on the House Intelligence Oversight Committee. McGovern up till his retirement from the CIA in 1994 was the agency briefer for the White House. Again these two men would have known each other during the period of President Bush Senior’s presidency from 1989 thru 1992, up to Ray’s retirement in 1994 under Clinton Administration.
Donald Rumsfeld would also have known Ray McGovern going back to the Ford Administration from Nixon’s Resignation to the election of Jimmy Carter in 1976, and again with Ronald Reagan’s presidency starting in 1981 to end of Bush Senior’s presidency.
The event on Thursday of McGovern outing Rumsfeld as a liar must have a direct tie into Goss being pushed into resigning on Friday! The press must drop the Kennedy drunk driving story and pursue the Goss resignation to uncover the real facts of his departure!
May 7th, 2006 at 8:33 amAgain these two men would have known each other during the period of President Bush Senior’s presidency from 1989 thru 1992, up to Ray’s retirement in 1994 under Clinton Administration.
Comment by Jay Randal — May 7, 2006 @ 8:33 am
That’s interesting… I won’t speculate yet, because I think there’s still a lot that we need to know to understand what is linked and what is just speculative. But, it would be even more interesting to know what McGovern knows that he hasn’t yet said. I mean he has come along at a very inconvienient time for Rumsfield. Kinda like Anita Hill and Clarence Thomas. I just hope he gets more credibility and respect than she did. Not easy to stand up to power like that.
May 7th, 2006 at 8:47 amYes post 44 > Everything is speculation at the moment regarding Goss, but the press is off on a Kennedy feeding frenzy so distracted! Ray and Porter are tied together on what happened Friday! McGovern in fact was being interviewed on CNN Friday when the news of Goss’ resigning got announced, but CNN did not pursue any connection! This is getting interesting!
May 7th, 2006 at 9:01 amunbelievable as you know thunderstorms are rolling through Atlanta at present so unsure how long I can be on here?
May 7th, 2006 at 9:03 ambut the press is off on a Kennedy feeding frenzy so distracted!
Comment by Jay Randal — May 7, 2006 @ 9:01 am
All about playing to their demographics. Maybe more of us SHOULD watch television, and become a demographic that someone wants to pander to? I mean, we have removed ourselves from that equation by refusing to watch, and now, to get ratings, the MSM has to sink to lower depths.
Only drawback is havingto watch the crap they air on television…
May 7th, 2006 at 9:07 amunbelievable as you know thunderstorms are rolling through Atlanta at present so unsure how long I can be on here?
Comment by Jay Randal — May 7, 2006 @ 9:03 am
We probably should go. I usually wait until I hear the thunder… as the lightning isn’t very far behind.
In case you haven’t experienced it here in summer yet – the storms get really, really bad due to heat gain that Atlanta itself has created. Global Warming and massive construction seem to have made it even worse in the 4 years that I was gone.
Later…
May 7th, 2006 at 9:10 amGood Morning Unbelievable, here today as our weather is icky, can’t work out side and hug trees…..Good post’s…..It would be nice if the trollers would just go away or offer up good information once in awhile. Get tired of their follow their leader approach of verbaly trying to kill the messangers and everything else…What is it about these so called relegious jukies wanting to kill, cut and drill everything in sight.? …………Blessings
May 7th, 2006 at 9:11 amunbelievable I just checked the radar and massive severe thunderstorm are heading towards your area and mine! Weather service may issue a severe storm warning! Macon is also going to be hit by worse thunderstorms which might produce a tornado! I have my PC system on surge protector, but I go off if things get bad anyways!
May 7th, 2006 at 9:14 amTime to sign off the bad weather has arrived at Stone Mountain, Georgia!
May 7th, 2006 at 9:18 amJust watching ESPN, and I have to ask;
How do you yanks manage to put up with it? I mean, seriously, they can’t seem to go 5 seconds without 5 minutes of advertising butting in. I mean, shit you don’t have the sports interrupted by adverts, you have the adverts interrupted by sports.
And the coverage is pretty crap too. I mean, take Golf for instance. You don’t show the golfers playing the game, you show a nice shot of the course, maybe waffle on a bit about the players backgrounds, show a shot of the city once or twice, and by the time it gets back to the game, que commercial.
May 7th, 2006 at 9:46 am#53, well, come on, that’s GOLF, so who cares?
Seriously, your point is well-taken. Thinking critically is de-emphasized in this country, or else neoconservatism and modern evangelical Christianity would never have gained as much popularity as they have.
Commercial television sucks. Our press has lost its integrity and forgotten its mission. The public was willingly led by the nose into war in iraq. Etc., etc.
May 7th, 2006 at 11:29 am…..It would be nice if the trollers would just go away or offer up good information once in awhile.
I’m not big on censorship until it becomes garbage cluttering the blog, or threatening. And in Santo’s case, I think it’s like throwing out the junk mail. No one reads it and it just clutters the dining room table if you don’t get rid of it.
Get tired of their follow their leader approach of verbaly trying to kill the messangers and everything else…
Unlike MA, Santo is a liberal extremist. Just as wacky and incoherent. We all have our crazy Uncle Lesters I suppose…
What is it about these so called relegious jukies wanting to kill, cut and drill everything in sight.? …………Blessings
Comment by Sharon Cox — May 7, 2006 @ 9:11 am
I guess when you don’t have facts, bullying, insulting and intimidating seem to be second choices for these freaks. I think lithium and preozac would have been a better Plan B for them – and everyone within earshot of their annoying caterwauling.
May 7th, 2006 at 11:41 amHow do you yanks manage to put up with it? I mean, seriously, they can’t seem to go 5 seconds without 5 minutes of advertising butting in.
I started boycotting it. First by changing channels during the shows I watched, and eventually by watching less and less. Most people don’t notice. We’ve been culturally indoctrinated for the most part to not notice. In fact, the Superbowl turned it into a pasttime…
And as a result of not watching the commericals, I find myself less inclined to buy things. Unplugged from teh consummerism Matrix, I suppose.
And the coverage is pretty crap too. I mean, take Golf for instance. You don’t show the golfers playing the game, you show a nice shot of the course, maybe waffle on a bit about the players backgrounds, show a shot of the city once or twice, and by the time it gets back to the game, que commercial.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — May 7, 2006 @ 9:46 am
The networks are catering to the largets demograhic of television junkies – males bewteen the ages of 18 and 25 with a trigger happy thumb for channel surfing if the fix on the screen isn’t immediate.
The longer I go with less and less t.v., the less and less stressed I am. I think there’s a strong correlation.
May 7th, 2006 at 11:46 amthe bad weather has arrived at Stone Mountain, Georgia!
Comment by Jay Randal — May 7, 2006 @ 9:18 am
Jay – tomorrow will probably be sunny and 90 degrees – with high humidity of course. Ugh…
May 7th, 2006 at 11:50 am#53 – It’s golf, Bruce! How do you stay awake for it? Basically I deal with the endless corporate blathering on television by not watching very much. Just Countdown with Keith Olbermann (MSNBC); Daily Show & Colbert Report (Comedy Central); and Doctor Who (Sci Fi) the 9th Doctor — great smile. If those aren’t on, the TV is off. So peaceful…
May 7th, 2006 at 12:10 pm#57 – Jay – tomorrow will probably be sunny and 90 degrees – with high humidity of course. Ugh…
Comment by unbelievable
The #1 reason why I don’t miss the South. I swear my toes were webbed by the time I left Louisiana! Ahhh, Idaho, dry heat…
May 7th, 2006 at 12:13 pmJust Countdown with Keith Olbermann (MSNBC)
Comment by Zookeeper — May 7, 2006 @ 12:10 pm
Moscow, Idaho gets Keith Olbermann, but certain metro Atlanta suburbs do not? I need to make a fuss about that… Stupid Comcast monopoly.
May 7th, 2006 at 12:15 pmAhhh, Idaho, dry heat…
Comment by Zookeeper — May 7, 2006 @ 12:13 pm
Not good for wrinkles though. (It’s what I tell myself to tolerate the 80-85% humidity in August. :)
We get more rain here than Seattle does (something like 54″ vs. 48″ per year. Boise got 12″ San Fran is about 24″). It just deluges here instead of spits like in Seattle. Makes for fun driving. Especially with rednecks in their Mega-SUVs who think God is protecting them from hydoplaning because they have one of those Jesus fish decals.
May 7th, 2006 at 12:20 pmWeather has improved in Atlanta area as the thunderstorms head to the east coast.
May 7th, 2006 at 12:22 pm#61 – I’ll slather on the moisturizer and sun screen and risk the damn wrinkles! If I had to live somewhere with lots of rain, I’d pick the South because at least you see the sun once in a while. If it’s not raining in Seattle, it’s cloudy. I’d be driving myself to the bridge over Puget Sound…you know the rest. We have those rednecks, too, except they drive Dodge Ram pickups with Jesus fish. They end up over the side of the road, and I smile as I pass them in my car bearing the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
May 7th, 2006 at 12:43 pmThey end up over the side of the road, and I smile as I pass them in my car bearing the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Comment by Zookeeper — May 7, 2006 @ 12:43 pm
I had this argument with a co-worker. I commented on how Idaho doesn’t pollute the landscape with all those obnoxious metal barricades. He said that a friend of his died going over a mountain cliff. Was the guy speeding? (Yes, of course, in the rain). Well, Darwinism is funny when it’s an email joke about morons who’ve killed themselves being moronic passed around the internet, but not in reality it seems…
FSM… cool! I’d get one of those if I didn’t worry that some Jesus fish bearing Dodge Ram would, well, ram me :)
May 7th, 2006 at 12:53 pm#64 – We are starting to get a lot of those concrete barriers at more dangerous parts of the road. Land cancer, I say. The entire 40 miles of river road to my parents’ house is lined with those things. Makes it hard to look for eagles on the riverbank. OK, I’ll just drive!
I do get the finger quite a lot. I guess it could be my FSM; or my Kerry/Edwards bumpersticker. Or my eagle watching… Or my own finger waving at them…
May 7th, 2006 at 1:09 pmWho knows?
Who knows?
Comment by Zookeeper — May 7, 2006 @ 1:09 pm
My friends in Boise were all from other places. We seemed tobe in agreement on the fact that a large percentage of the locals we each knew were rather immature compared to most grown adults in the rest of the country. People flipping you off for your “car art” isn’t exactly high on the list of maturity factors…
Eagles are amazing. If some of those rednecks slowed down to do the same, they might not need concrete barriers cluttering the scenery.
May 7th, 2006 at 1:16 pmPost 66 if Rednecks slow down or stop to look at birds or animals they shoot them! Best for them to drive fast and not kill eagles!
May 7th, 2006 at 1:22 pm#66 – I’m glad they can’t see the eagles, they’d shoot ‘em for a Sunday “chicken” dinner. ;)
Better get out of here. Got to hit the grocery store before the students wake up (safe until about 2 p.m.) and the “good” people get out of church!
May 7th, 2006 at 1:23 pm#67 – I like how you think!
May 7th, 2006 at 1:24 pmThanks zookeeper post 69.
May 7th, 2006 at 1:27 pmTo the author of post 22 – “bill” who wrote …
Hey Giacamo- short sweet and to the point. Either youare baiting the brothers in the hope that you will stir up the troops or you are a Ignorant asshole!
Either way-Since I am a really old fart bullshit doesn’t bother me – And I can read a phony quite easily, Thats’ what you are! sO STOP WASTING YOUR TIME AND EVERONE ELSES! Get out your dee dee and start sucking, that should calm you down. Just remember that folks like ledeen and feith and wolfoshit just want a free pass to the heaven of 72 virgins but they don’t have the balls to be honest about it.
Devolving into name calling and cursing makes it readily apparant to all that you, sir, are not to be taken seriously. The certainty of your convictions aside, (mind you, the only conviction you voiced pertains to my “ignorance”) you are obviously incapable of cogent and reasoned expression. Allow me to translate for you though … “I, bill, am so pissed off that you will know the truth of my anger by my profanity”. Clearly, politics gives you the opportunity to externalize your infernal internal world. You’re an embarassment to all honest and principled liberals …
May 7th, 2006 at 1:28 pmYes the church going Bush loving trolls will be on the TP threads within the hour > lol.
May 7th, 2006 at 1:29 pmYes the church going Bush loving trolls will be on the TP threads within the hour.
Too late … some of us go to the early service. ;-)
May 7th, 2006 at 1:32 pmBest for them to drive fast and not kill eagles!
Comment by Jay Randal — May 7, 2006 @ 1:22 pm
They hit a lot of deer out in Idaho from driving too fast. Definitely better to leave the roads barrier free :)
May 7th, 2006 at 1:33 pmLol post 73 I did not notice you on here Giacomo!
May 7th, 2006 at 1:34 pmYes the church going Bush loving trolls will be on the TP threads within the hour > lol.
Comment by Jay Randal — May 7, 2006 @ 1:29 pm
Perhaps we should suggest that they follow the ‘no work’ on Sunday ethic to include ‘no computer’ on Sunday either? ; )
May 7th, 2006 at 1:34 pmPost 76 if we could find some reference in the Old Testament Bible that writing words on stone tablets, or on parchment, on the Sabbath is prohibited by God according to Moses >lol.
May 7th, 2006 at 1:39 pmand the “good†people get out of church!
Comment by Zookeeper — May 7, 2006 @ 1:23 pm
My mom works on Sundays – retail. And although a lapsed Catholic herself, she bemoans the ‘good’ people and their spawn showing up after church in bad moods yelling at one another and making huge messes.
The world would be so much better off without organized religion. Even those who believe in some spiritual elements seem to do better formingtehir own ideologies instead, and I believe it is inate that most living beings know basic right from wrong. I mean, after all, you don’t see giraffes holding up liquor stores or chipmunks mass murdering or cows vandalizing private property… And none of them go to church – or sport Jesus fish :)
May 7th, 2006 at 1:40 pmThe world would be so much better off without organized religion.
I actually agree … especially since some leaders within religious organizations only are such as an extension of their own pride and need for power. The early Christian church certainly had leaders (Paul and Peter) but the group itself was willingly communistic and charitable … somewhat different than many churches today … perhaps we have lost our way, sigh.
May 7th, 2006 at 1:47 pmwe could find some reference in the Old Testament Bible that writing words on stone tablets, or on parchment, on the Sabbath is prohibited by God according to Moses >lol.
Comment by Jay Randal — May 7, 2006 @ 1:39 pm
Well, it is work to use a computer :) In that case, perhaps this genrealization applies…
Exodus 20:10
But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exodus 31:14
May 7th, 2006 at 1:48 pmYe shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
Actually, Ledeen later acknowledged that his sources weren’t actually Iranian…. or people. It was actually his Afghan dog, whose bark was very convincing… :)
May 7th, 2006 at 1:50 pmthe group itself was willingly communistic and charitable … somewhat different than many churches today … perhaps we have lost our way, sigh.
Comment by Giacomo — May 7, 2006 @ 1:47 pm
Power corrupts virtually everything, it seems – even good intentions.
May 7th, 2006 at 1:50 pmPost 80 > can we use the Exodus 31:14 to call for Mighty Moron to be put to death if he comes on here today? ( One can hope > lol.)
May 7th, 2006 at 1:53 pmSANTO – go yell at the moderators some more. Leave the rest of us alone.
May 7th, 2006 at 2:02 pm( One can hope > lol.)
Comment by Jay Randal — May 7, 2006 @ 1:53 pm
I’d settle for a restraining order and a lobotomy :)
May 7th, 2006 at 2:03 pmI think MA already had a failed frontal Lobotomy > might explain his behavior > lol.
May 7th, 2006 at 2:07 pmI think MA already had a failed frontal Lobotomy > might explain his behavior > lol.
Comment by Jay Randal — May 7, 2006 @ 2:07 pm
Only one? : )
May 7th, 2006 at 2:17 pmunbelievable,what’s your hangup with mental disorders?
Got one yourself Scag?Go eat some carrots,Fatso.
May 7th, 2006 at 2:43 pmunbelievable,what’s your hangup with mental disorders?
Got one yourself Scag?Go eat some carrots,Fatso.
Comment by Denny — May 7, 2006 @ 2:43 pm
Denny, what’s your hang up with me? Or should I say infatuation? Thanks. Really, I’d be flattered if you weren’t so creepy. But I’m simply not interested. Try Santo, apparently she likes her men a little on the bizarre side.
May 7th, 2006 at 3:10 pmAnd Denny, just so you know that a lobotomy isn’t a mental disorder, but a procedure, he’s a free lesson:
lo·bot·o·my
Surgical incision into the frontal lobe of the brain to sever one or more nerve tracts, a technique formerly used to treat certain mental disorders but now rarely performed.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=lobotomy
You should get one. Freak.
May 7th, 2006 at 3:13 pmSANTO,
You’re not even coherent (or, I’m guessing, sober). Nobody values your opinion. Stop wasting your time. And ours. Really.
May 7th, 2006 at 3:49 pmI’m pretty sure that normal people stop calling one another retarded in the third grade.
May 7th, 2006 at 4:54 pmunbelievable;What a lonely,miserable,piteous hag you must be.
May 7th, 2006 at 5:05 pm…How’s your Mum?
I don’t even understand what you say most of the time because you are so incoherent.
May 7th, 2006 at 5:06 pmDenny, really, I appreciate the flalttery, but you’re simply not my type. I eat mushrooms, I don’t date them.
May 7th, 2006 at 5:10 pmSome of the students use MySpace. I’ve never been there before. But of course YOU have skank. That’s about your maturity level. Have fun at the prom.
May 7th, 2006 at 5:21 pmun…..That’s probably not all you eat,Fatso.
May 7th, 2006 at 5:29 pmYour Mum has your dinner ready,you better get going.
Denny, really, you’re knocking me for being online (on a cold and rainy day) today, when you’re online today yourself. Your arguments don’t hold water. You’re not even funny. And you picked the wrong person to try to upset. Try to have a nice day. Life is too short to be an itchy little fungus.
May 7th, 2006 at 5:35 pmun……Right back at cha.
May 7th, 2006 at 5:52 pmBy the time I’m through debasing you,you’ll need to change
your screen name,
Try:Fatso or Hag or Medicated or Mums’ girl.
I’m not going anywhere or changing anything Denny. You didn’t even get a hit. Not even a close. You’re not very good at this are you? But, hey, I’m sure your paycheck is the same either way. Well, thanks for the game of whack-atroll. But, I’m bored now and need to go find someone intelligent to have a conversation with. Have a nice life.
May 7th, 2006 at 6:09 pmun……….
May 7th, 2006 at 6:19 pmUntill we meet again;and we will;
oh yes,we will.
No thanks. I’m done.
May 7th, 2006 at 6:20 pmNot untill I say so.
May 7th, 2006 at 6:34 pmNot untill I say so.
Comment by Denny — May 7, 2006 @ 6:34 pm
I say so..STFU
May 7th, 2006 at 6:56 pmThe neo-cons thinking comes from a philosopher named leo-strauss, who believes in order to control people you need an external foe, and someone as the hero. Hmmmmmm……………………………………?
May 7th, 2006 at 7:17 pmAttack trolls on TP must be the new game that Karl Rove thought up as a diversion on here?!
May 7th, 2006 at 8:59 pmAttack trolls on TP must be the new game that Karl Rove thought up as a diversion on here?!
Comment by Jay Randal — May 7, 2006 @ 8:59 pm
If they are working for free – then he’s over paying them. They aren’t particularly good at anything. Or for anything.
May 7th, 2006 at 9:37 pmdenny is backwash.
May 8th, 2006 at 12:05 ameither ignore or pour out and clean the glass rigorously to remove stains and residue.
Unbelievable,
What did you do to deserve the tag-team attacks? I’m a little suprised to see some of the regulars here turn on you like this. As a troll I’ve been attacked by everyone on this site. I don’t believe I’ve ever had any interaction with Denny—his assault on you is completely unwarranted—unless he’s in love with Santo Gnede. As for Santo—I don’t know if it’s a language thing, or an intelligence thing—either way it amounts to utter incoherence. I usually don’t respond to him…her…it….
You and I are on opposite sides of the fence on most issues—and I wouldn’t even treat you like these two glittering jewels of stupidity are treating you. Anyway, I’m sure you you have no problem dealing with this sort of thing—I’m just offering my support—such as it is.
May 8th, 2006 at 10:31 amOkay, okay, what is with the “mum” thing Denny has? I’m starting to get scared. There’s Freudian and then there’s the land of “it is never just a banana.”
unb, you have attracted a couple of real losers, chick. Sorry, I understand your plight all too painfully.
May 8th, 2006 at 11:32 am#115 Denny is new or, more likely, a born again troll. They often die off and come back with a new handle. And then, amazingly, they come back with the original name, it is truly a miracle.
May 8th, 2006 at 11:34 amComment by Antagonist — May 8, 2006 @ 10:31 am
There is no reason when it comes to psychotics. I don’t take it to heart. Just figured they were upset that I don’t buy their Conspiracy Theories. Tomorrow it will be someone else. Just how it is with the lunatic fringe.
May 8th, 2006 at 12:26 pmunb, you have attracted a couple of real losers, chick. Sorry, I understand your plight all too painfully.
Comment by progressive and proud — May 8, 2006 @ 11:32 am
I’m sure they are people in serious mental pain and cannot help themselves. I don’t take it personally. But thanks for your support. :)
May 8th, 2006 at 12:28 pmIf OBL was dead, then we would certainly know about it. I can’t think of a better way to boost Dubya & Dick’s abysmal ratings than to announce that the arch-villan OBL is dead.
Now, do I really think that he’s dead? No. Do I really think that he’s been hiding in Iran? Hell no. OBL is a Sunni, Wahabbist Muslim who believes that Shia Muslims (who are the majority in Iran AND make up the government) are apostates and infidels. OBL would no more hide in Iran than Dubya would hide in San Francisco.
In all honesty OBL is probably very much alive and free within Pakistan. He is being protected by loyalists and anti-Americans in the Pakistani government and security forces. Pakistan is not the good friend of the US that Dubya and the GOP would have us believe. Pakistan is a military dictatorship, not a democracy, so even if its president helps us and speaks in a very pro-American way it is no indication that the people of Pakistan feel the same way.
Bottom line: Neoconservatives cannot be trusted, period. They have their own agenda and follow it no matter what happens or who gets hurt in the process. They hate democracy and believe that only they have the vision to lead us. One day the whole neocon movement will be remembered for having started America’s second Vietnam.
May 8th, 2006 at 3:13 pmcomment to #7 “Killer Khristol”
What in the f**k are YOU smoking?????
June 6th, 2006 at 3:26 pm