House Intel Chairman: Hayden Is ‘The Wrong Person’ For CIA Director, Would Be ‘Under the Sway’ of Rumsfeld
By on May 7th, 2006 at 10:05 am
House Intel Chairman: Hayden Is ‘The Wrong Person’ For CIA Director, Would Be ‘Under the Sway’ of Rumsfeld
Gen. Michael Hayden is widely believed to be President Bush’s choice to replace outgoing CIA director Porter Goss. Today on Fox News Sunday, Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee Peter Hoekstra (R-MI) strongly opposed Hayden. Hoekstra flatly asserted that Hayden would be “the wrong choice” for the job. Specifically, Hoekstra was concerned that Hayden, as a member of the military, would be seen as “under the sway” of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.
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Well we have a ‘civilian’ as the head of a ‘military’ agency, (Rumsfeld at DOD) so, following BushCo. logic,why not have a ‘military’ person as the head of a ‘civilian’ agency? The goal appears to be ruining the effectiveness of all of the intelligence agencies, to better obscure their dirty dealing activities. A sort of, “Don’t know, CAN’T tell” policy. Typical BushCo. game playing. Oh goody.
May 7th, 2006 at 10:24 amNot to mention he has utter contempt for the 4th amendment, and the U.S. Constitution in general.
May 7th, 2006 at 10:36 amProbable cause? There is no such thin as probable cause.
-Potato Head Hayden
May 7th, 2006 at 10:40 am“Will Gen. Hayden be under my thumb and will I control what he says and does? Yes.
May 7th, 2006 at 10:43 amIs that a bad thing, given my mediocre track record? Of course.
Are we to believe this administration is in the habit of distorting and controlling intelligence? Yes. Heck, I can’t even plausibly defend myself in a public forum. Fiddle-dee-dee!”
– Donald Rumsfeld
It is my hope that the dems fight this nomination all the way.
This man Hayden, who cannot read and understand the constitution should not be in charge of the CIA. The CIA is in bad enough trouble without this.
This once fine agency, even with all its faults, has been politicized and ruined by the worst president ever.
May 7th, 2006 at 11:11 amBush has broken down several areas of government in his reign as king, through direct undermining and cronyism.
May 7th, 2006 at 12:00 pmOur present form of government is in danger.
FINALLY AN HONEST GOP . A POWERFULL STATEMENT AT faux news NO LESS.
May 7th, 2006 at 12:01 pmHAYDEN would be not only a tool of Rummy but Cheney as well.The CIA must be an independant agency .
Hayden is Negroponte’s personal right hand man stooge, and a guy who wants to wiretap every one in America, so if the Senate confirms that jerk, then every Senator must resign in shame!
May 7th, 2006 at 12:04 pmEVERY legislator that vote FOR Hayden should be published along with a transcript of Oberman’s video on this nutcase. Military people like these make me wonder if the Military even knows what they are fighting for.
May 7th, 2006 at 12:09 pmThe CIA must be an independant agency .
Comment by Leoger — May 7, 2006 @ 12:01 pm
There are thoughts by some political scholars that the CIA shouldn’t even exist at all – that it’s anti-constitutional to have an independent agency not regulated within the checks and balances put upon the judicial branch. Same has been said for the FBI. And NOAA. How many investigative entities do we really need? And, why aren’t we asking what ties does it have to the fact that we proportionally have a very high incarceration rate in this country?
May 7th, 2006 at 12:10 pmInteresting that the blogs are confirming that Hayden would give control over the CIA to Rumsfeld at the Pentagon > that confirms my suspician that Rummy had a hand in Goss’ resignation!
May 7th, 2006 at 12:19 pmI have $5 that says if Hayden makes it a vote, Hoekstra votes to confirm him.
May 7th, 2006 at 12:21 pmEvery member of the Senate must be told that WE the people will be watching the vote on Hayden, and if they confirm him then WE all know that they are certified traitors to America! General Hayden as the head of the NSA has been wiretapping and snooping on many US citizens, so to give him more power to spy on us is plain outrageous! Hayden could be spying on members of the Congress already, so voting for him goes beyond being stupid!
May 7th, 2006 at 12:28 pmCIA guy McLaughlin just told Blitzer that a goal would be to reduce terrorism to a nuisance level — WTF! When John Kerry said somehting similar in 2004 he was blasted in the press and by the Republicans!!
May 7th, 2006 at 12:37 pmBush #43 ought to appoint a previous director of the CIA — Bush #41. Then we can watch the ensuing internecine battles complete with the Oedipal slant that has been simmering under the surface with this president since he was an Andover cheerleader.
May 7th, 2006 at 1:00 pmHoekstra could be worried that Hayden may be the proverbial ‘last straw’ to the American people.
May 7th, 2006 at 2:02 pmpost #15, brilliant! Freud would be proud… A lot prouder than Bush 41 must be of the mess Bush 43’s made…
May 7th, 2006 at 2:26 pmHe is affable he is nice, he does not believe in ‘probable’ cause of the 4th amendment. To Wit;
As the last journalist to get in a question at the Press Club, Jonathan Landay, a well-regarded investigative reporter for Knight Ridder, noted that Gen. Hayden repeatedly referred to the Fourth Amendment’s search standard of “reasonableness” without mentioning that it also demands “probable cause.” Hayden seemed to deny that the amendment included any such thing, or simply ignored it. He directly said “no” it did not include “probable cause.”
This caused Landay to reply, “The legal standard is probable cause, General.”
May 7th, 2006 at 2:36 pm#17: post #15, brilliant! Freud would be proud… Thanks. It’s a timely homage since today is Freud’s 150th birthday.
May 7th, 2006 at 3:01 pm“There are thoughts by some political scholars that the CIA shouldn’t even exist at all – that it’s anti-constitutional to have an independent agency not regulated within the checks and balances put upon the judicial branch.”
*****”Political scholars”?????? Who????? Ward Churchill? Armando Navarro? Noam Chomsky?? And if he/she/they are the typical “useful idiots” that many American professors have become, WHY would anyone be surprised at a suggestion the CIA not exist at all???
May 7th, 2006 at 3:10 pmWHY would anyone be surprised at a suggestion the CIA not exist at all???
Comment by mighty aphrodite — May 7, 2006 @ 3:10 pm
Is it ever possible for you to think instead of react blindly? You really do make quite a fool out of yourself on a regular basis as it is. That, and so much for ignoring me. I knew you were far too weak.
Go back and read the sentance ‘How many investigative entities do we really need?’ and then think about it. You’ll probably have to use a dictionary and do some research, but eventually, maybe you’ll be able to contribute to a conversation instead of just proving your ignorance about all matters legal.
May 7th, 2006 at 3:19 pmSo much for the noted “political scholars”….who knew???
May 7th, 2006 at 3:24 pmSo much for the noted “political scholarsâ€â€¦.who knew???
Comment by mighty aphrodite — May 7, 2006 @ 3:24 pm
So much for you cracking open a dictionary, or actually answering a question.
We see through your evasion, smoke, mirrors and lies. You don’t actually do anything but insult. We see that. And we know that it means that you are incapable of debate. Shoo. Stop wasting bandwidth.
May 7th, 2006 at 3:28 pmSources??? No wonder “teachers” aren’t as respected as they would like to be….
May 7th, 2006 at 3:34 pmSources??? No wonder “teachers†aren’t as respected as they would like to be….
Comment by mighty aphrodite — May 7, 2006 @ 3:34 pm
You are trying to build a straw man to deflect from my question, so you can focus on that rather than my intelligent question.
I dare you to answer me, and not focus on where I got my inspiration to ask the question. It’s not relevent who proposed the initial premise to my question. What’s relevent is whether or not several law enforcement authorities lead to an excessive amount of people in jail.
Bet you gotta run now. Figures. Coward.
May 7th, 2006 at 3:39 pmRyan,
He’ll have to suffer the pain that in the Fall, I’ll be a Professor. I’ve taken a job at a local college sponsored Academy that will offer courses to both upper classmen in high school and college students. He’ll still be cleaning toilets :)
May 7th, 2006 at 3:42 pmThe number 3 goon Foggo at the CIA is going to resign this next week and be charged with nefarious crimes, but according to Bush loving trolls Goss’ resignation had nothing to do with the hooker scandal > lol. Foggo is a Goss protege, so if he boned prostitutes, then it reflected on Goss as well! Number one rule at CIA is never fool around with hookers, because they could be spies for a foreign government! Goss and Foggo are very stupid!!!
May 7th, 2006 at 4:01 pmMA’s arguments grow weaker as time goes by because her arguments are all losing.
May 7th, 2006 at 4:06 pmShe throws up diversionary arguments because she cannot defend her position on the valid ones.
Between her and IRI, they are each losers in their own way.
Interesting post at #12 under “Just One of Those Mysteries” about a similar set of circumstances in 1989. Same game, some of the same players.
May 7th, 2006 at 4:11 pmBetween her and IRI, they are each losers in their own way.
Comment by Marie — May 7, 2006 @ 4:06 pm
Except that IRI isn’t serious, and MA is. MA is his own brand of lunacy.
Was just checking in to see what words of wisdom MA had to offer to my question. As I expected. Nothing. Later he will come an excuse about errands, children, and the such. More transparent lies. He was better off ignoring me.
May 7th, 2006 at 4:50 pmI’ts ‘unbelievable’ how anyone can spend so much time behind the computer boob-tube,and still have any quality life.
May 7th, 2006 at 4:53 pmPush away from the screen,and the table,Fatso.How’s your Mum?
I’ts ‘unbelievable’ how anyone can spend so much time behind the computer boob-tube
Comment by Denny — May 7, 2006 @ 4:53 pm
What’s even more ‘unbelievable’ is how assinine and wrong you are. Or that you have to hide behind a new screeen name. Who are you really coward? Step up.
May 7th, 2006 at 5:02 pmWho are you,Fatso? What ‘meds.’are you on?
May 7th, 2006 at 5:20 pmDon’t be going around the filters your Mum put on your computer.
Denny, is this the only way you can get people to notice you? Insult them? Sad. Poor little fungus that you are. No one likes you, so you go online and find someone who was complimented by a couple of people for saying something funny,and you endeavor to put that person down to feel better about the fact that no one ever laughs at your jokes, Pathetic. And you haven’t been right about any of your lame accusations yet. Not even warm.
May 7th, 2006 at 5:27 pmun…….You need to check your own insult archive,scag.
May 7th, 2006 at 5:41 pmWhere are all your syncophants now that I’ve got you stewing
in your own juices.Nowhere.
There is always your Mum,I’m sure she can give you succour now.
LOL
Denny, if you’d like to debate an issue, I’d be happy to oblige you. But really, if this is all you have, I’ve seen if before (I teach high school), and I find it sad, pathetic and boring. Oh, and predictable. Unless youhave a topic to debate, I’m not interested. Good bye.
May 7th, 2006 at 5:48 pmWhen someone with a very high regard of their own intellectual capabilities, throws out “”…some political scholars blah,blah” but fails to mention those “scholars”, I’m a bit skeptical of the “a$$ertion”…..
May 7th, 2006 at 6:06 pmun….Teach high school huh.LOL
May 7th, 2006 at 6:12 pmYou better spell check the two mistakes I found in #42.
Bye bye,’Teach.’
When someone with a very high regard of their own intellectual capabilities, throws out “â€â€¦some political scholars blah,blah†but fails to mention those “scholarsâ€, I’m a bit skeptical of the “a$$ertionâ€â€¦..
Comment by mighty aphrodite — May 7, 2006 @ 6:06 pm
Again, Madga, the question was ‘Do too many law enforcent agencies produce a higher rate of people incarerated?’ The scholars I read had nothing to do with that question, other than inspiring me to ask it. Their names aren’t important because people like you use them to twist the question into a battle of opinion. Forget I said anytihng about the scholars and just said that I had begun to wonder whether all these agencies are redundant. Care to engage? If not, then give up.
It took you three hours to think up that response? You really are out of your league.
And, by the way, your Denny character was rather lame.
May 7th, 2006 at 6:15 pmI am not M.A.
May 7th, 2006 at 6:39 pmE.Coli, GURU, whatever. ‘Bye ‘bye now.
May 7th, 2006 at 6:59 pm“MA’s arguments grow weaker as time goes by because her arguments are all losing.”
- Comment by Marie
*****Dear Marie – Please explain how asking a poster for the “political scholars” noted in a statement, is evidence of a weak argument.
May 7th, 2006 at 7:06 pmWhen you provide the “political scholars” I will answer your philosophical question of the age. You brought it up – but when push comes to shove – you’re not too proud of those “scholars”.
Congratulations – in the fall we will be able to refer to you as our resident “scholar”.
May 7th, 2006 at 7:15 pmmighty aphrodite is never able to back up her assertions with references, so it’s interesting that she is now demanding cites here. what a moron.
May 7th, 2006 at 7:17 pm“Ward Churchill is a ‘noted scholar’.” – -Comment by the Putz
Professor – you may want to discuss the notion of sarcasm with clueless Putzy.
May 7th, 2006 at 7:20 pmDear Reagan KNOWS You are Stupid – Generally, I post my opinion – when I have posted citations, the brainiacs with sub 100 IQs whine above broken threads. (I’ve tested each reference.) So thank you for minding unbelieveds business – they appreciate your thoughtfulness.
May 7th, 2006 at 7:24 pm*****Dear Marie – Please explain how asking a poster for the “political scholars†noted in a statement, is evidence of a weak argument.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — May 7, 2006 @ 7:06 pm
Because it has ZERO relevence to the actual argument. A true attorney would know that.
When you provide the “political scholars†I will answer your philosophical question of the age. You brought it up – but when push comes to shove – you’re not too proud of those “scholarsâ€.
MA, forget the scholars. Pretend I was inspired the last time I read the Constitution and realized that we have many law enforcement agencies and that it is a problem. And then I wondered if it’s why we have so many more people in prisons than most other countries. That part has noting to do with anything else. It’s not pertinent here, no matter how much you try to make it.
Your trying to focus on something that is irrelevant (you do understand what that word means don’t you?) because you CANNOT answer my question. As usual. You have nothing to say, so you just argue semantics.
Even if I give you names now, yo’ll not answer my real question. You’ll focus on the wrong portion of the topic – those people. And you do so because then you are simply debating your opinion and not actual facts. No way you are even a law clerk or law secretary.
Congratulations – in the fall we will be able to refer to you as our resident “scholarâ€.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — May 7, 2006 @ 7:15 pm
At least I have a job that doesn’t include cleaning toilets.
May 7th, 2006 at 8:03 pmI wish Karl Rove would hire new Bush loving trolls for TP threads > existing ones like MA and Seixon are boring and massive liars too > lol.
May 7th, 2006 at 9:13 pmLol post 56 Ryan > MA and other trolls on here have been gumming up the threads today! One named Denny spent the whole day attacking unbelievable! A new Rovian tactic on here is for them to just post mindless drivel until the thread is filled with blather!
May 7th, 2006 at 9:48 pmIt doesn’t matter who Bubble boy picks…His pick will be a criminal, homosexual who prefers little boys.
He’s picking a republican right?
May 7th, 2006 at 10:25 pmRyan I think the trolls change their screennames all the time > Mighty Moron could be one or more of the other trolls?! They make up a whole phony background for themselves anyways! MA cannot be a lawyer working with a DA or even female > he is some young nerd who lives in a make believe Internet world! I guess without TP to post on he would have no life > lol.
May 7th, 2006 at 10:37 pm#61, most of the trolls are posting from group homes for the mentally ill.
Some are pedophiles who will do anything to protect their own.
May 7th, 2006 at 10:57 pmPost 62 lol > they need to remove the PCs from the mental hospitals > allowing them to go on the Internet just feeds their fantasies > lol.
May 8th, 2006 at 12:04 amMighty Aphrodite will defend this administration no matter what they do.You are right it is a sign of mental illness.Guess she is taking a break from that and feeding her 20 cats.
She is too batshit crazy even for the freepers.Guess we should pity her.Mighty Aphrodite’s house of cards is coming down around her and she still insists that Bush is doing a great job.You can almost see her connection to reality slipping with every post.Sad,so sad.
May 8th, 2006 at 1:15 amMighty Aphrodite will defend this administration no matter what they do.You are right it is a sign of mental illness.Guess she is taking a break from that and feeding her 20 cats.
Comment by David
David,
May 8th, 2006 at 2:54 amPlease don’t insult cat-lovers by putting them in the same category as Mighty Hypocrite. If my memory is correct, in an earlier thread this creature who loves to throw out hackneyed cliches about liberals/progressives while complaining that we stereotype people of his/her persuasion listed cat-loving as something typical of leftist females–or something like that. Moreover, I don’t think he/she is kind enough to take care of 20 cats–20 rats or cockroaches maybe but not cuddly kitties.
[...] “Air Force Gen. Michael Hayden will be named as the next chief of the CIA, President Bush’s national security adviser said Monday, and the White House began battling back against criticism that a military officer would lead the civilian spy agency.” Hayden’s nomination is up against criticism like this. 7:49 am | Comment (0) [...]
May 8th, 2006 at 7:51 amAphro, you mention sub-100 IQs – like Bush? Is that who you speak about?
May 8th, 2006 at 10:18 amI agree with Rep. Hoekstra’s position on Gen. Hayden. Oh, my God, I’m gonna die, I agreed with a Republican! As much as I hate to admit it, this Republicans is absolutely correct, this man is too close to Rummy. He also gives me the creeps, I don’t trust him any farher than I can see him. When he came out and said trust me, we aren’t spying on Americans, I didn’t believe a word he said. I was watching C-Span and a caller said, “he broke the law to support the President’s illegal spying”, she was right.
Putting this guy in charge of the CIA is like putting Darth Vader in charge of the kindness squad. He looks like he’d do anything the President want’s regardless of whether is was legal or not.
May 8th, 2006 at 12:27 pmDon’t look now but there is a person here that goes by the handle of “unbelievable” and if I scan the boards of all the TP sections – she obviously is addicted to posting comments here + she’s really obnoxious
May 8th, 2006 at 12:36 pmDon’t look now but there is a person here that goes by the handle of “unbelievable†and if I scan the boards of all the TP sections – she obviously is addicted to posting comments here + she’s really obnoxious
Comment by MXXLENT — May 8, 2006 @ 12:36 pm
No XXL Lisa, I already have a President of my Fan Club. You can’t be it.
You’re just jealous that I get the attention and you don’t.
May 8th, 2006 at 12:48 pmI have $5 that says if Hayden makes it a vote, Hoekstra votes to confirm him.
Comment by Zookeeper #12
Hey Zookeeper,
…why play for chump change…
…I’ll back you with another $5…
…we could get rich…
May 8th, 2006 at 12:50 pmThis is another case where the recklessness of the Bush administration offends both the left wing and the true conservative wing of the GOP
On the day of Goss’ resignation, I really thought they would look to Pete Hoekstra but they didn’t. I am not totally surprised at Hoekstra’s opposition but it’s a bombshell nevertheless
May 8th, 2006 at 1:07 pm[...] Gen. Michael Hayden is the replacement, an Air Force General. He’s already receiving criticism saying that a military officer shouldn’t lead a civilian spy agency. House Intel Chairman Rep. Pete Hoekstra (R-MI) is leading the criticism charge. Specifically, Hoekstra was concerned that Hayden, as a member of the military, would be seen as “under the sway” of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld. [...]
May 8th, 2006 at 1:29 pmHayden is the Harriet Miers of CIA nominees. Lamb to the slaughter, collateral for the cause. He’ll take some of the heat for wiretapping, create a circus to divert attention from the ever growing defense contracts scandal, and most importantly pave the way for someone even less savory who otherwise had a snowball’s chance of being confirmed. Think Alito.
May 8th, 2006 at 1:38 pmThis nomination stinks of BIG BROTHERISM. Gen Hayden has completed phase 1 of Operation Take Over and is now poised to implement phase 2 by spying on every e-mail, phone call, ATm withdrawal, credit card purchase and anything else they can get their dictatorial hands on. This administration has schredded the Constiution into little pieces and now they want to burn them as a reminder to anyone who would try to return democracy, “No Constiution, No Freedom”. I can’t believe half of the people in this Country still support this dictator and his policies.
Any fool in his/her right mind should be able to see that our rights are being eroded to the point where the government could take control and we’d be like the people were under communism. Wake up fools and stop watching Fox News the official Party News Network. Remember PRAVDA under the Soviets? That’s what the Republicans are trying to do to us. Ask yourself this question; Do I have more or less freedom than I did before 9-11? History tells us that totalitrian regimes in thye past used lies to control their populations. The people of Eastern Europe under Soviet control were told that the United States wanted to invade them and that’s why they had to have the Berlin Wall and Soviet troops station in every Country of Eastern Europe. We know that was a lie and now we are being told that terrrist want to kill up unless we give up our rights. The two things are not the far apart if you stop and think about it.
I know my Republican friends want to believe in this administration, but if you look at all of the facts, you’ll concluded they are a danger to democracy as we know it. I love my Country and I wish I could trust them, but I don’t and it’s not because they are Republican, it’s because I value my FREEDOM too much to give it up so easily.
May 8th, 2006 at 1:47 pmI don’t know yet if Gen. Hayden is the best person for the job or not but I do know that many people are making knee-jerk assumptions. Gen. Hayden would be the 5th, not 1st, military guy appointed to head the CIA so there is precedent. Since he has already reached the highest rank he can attain and can retire anytime he likes I don’t get how he will be a puppet for Rumsfield. He can’t be promoted by anyone or demoted by anyone except the Congress. He has already run the NSA which is the largest intelligence agency in the country and probably the world. The CIA has more prestige but fewer people and less money. Don’t suppose we can think rationally about his qualifications (or lack of) instead of agonizing over the trivial or ridiculous. Thinking he isn’t the best choice is legit. Acting like the world is ending because a very qualified person you don’t know but hate anyway may run the CIA is silly.
Unbelievable – I’ll take a shot at answering your question. We probably do have too many law enforcement and intelligence agencies but that is the fault of mostly past Congresses but somewhat past Presidents. They decided that the FBI would only deal with internal issues, the CIA could only work overseas, NSA could only do electronic surveillance, etc. Guess they thought (maybe correctly) that a single all-powerful agency would too easily “run off the rails” so to speak and become a shadow government. The down side of that is now we have a mish-mash of competing empires that don’t play together very well at all our expense.
The CIA isn’t an independent branch without checks and balances. It falls under the Executive branch and was created by President Truman with the National Security Act of 1947 and therefore very much Constitutional. It was essentially a reorganization of the Office of Strategic Services (OSS) which ran spy networks in Europe during WWII. I’m guessing your inclusion of NOAA was a slip since it is neither a law enforcement or investigative agency but scientific. But back to your original “thoughts by some political scholars” statement. You know very well that it matters a great deal who these people are since there is a group opposed to pretty much anything you can name. Some people even want to ban peanut butter at my kids’ school. Go figure!
May 9th, 2006 at 3:37 amBTW, Darth Cheeney is scheduled to be in Duncan, OK for the Halliburton Shareholders meeting on 5/16/06. City officials on the record deny it, but off the record say it is true. Some schools will be closed that day, again school officials on the record deny it, but off the record admit it.
One official with law enforcement off the record says it is true, and that over 600 SWAT team members will be at the ready should anything go afoul.
What is really funny is the fact that the meeting, usually held in Houston was moved for the first time in over two decades to a little po-dunk town where Halliburton originated.
The thing that smells of fascism is over 60 groups have filed with the City for permits to gather, yet only one permit has been issued. Boys and girls can you say coverup/limit dissent?
you can call the city of duncan to ask at 580-252-0250 and ask for the city manager you can call the police dept at 580-255-2112
you can call the board of ed at 580-255-0686
you can call the sherriffs dept at 580-255-3131
Thanks for all your help
May 9th, 2006 at 4:07 am