Yes, I think it’s time for Americans to find creative ways to challenge this bunch of criminal “leaders” through the legal system….the congress is brain dead and the DOJ is in Bush’s pocket. The Supreme Court is just about there.
It’s time to go the route of the court with millions of individual and group lawsuits. We should contact the ACLU and start a brainstorming movement…….get the ACLU to set up a hotline and start a movement of lawyers and the majority of Americans that have a brain, sanity, fairness, and know that our country is being stolen from us NOW. Where’s Nader when he can do some good other than helping defeat Gore? He’s pretty good at organizing.
I have Verizon for my 2 cell phones, business line and DSL!!!! I am suing them myself but will participate in this Class Action. SQUEEZE THEM UNTIL THEY BLEED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
All the info the phone companies gave the govt is available for a price to anyone willing to pay them for it. Stored information act, personal privacy concerns all seem not to imply here. Security companies, law enforcement. Pretty much anyone with a letterhead and a check can get them.The only thing I see as different is these companies GAVE the records and didnt sell them. I cant see this lawsuit getting anywhere. Boycott seems only recourse.
i really don’t think he is a nut… although i know it is much easier to think he is than it is to listen to him and read him and find out he may be right about 85% of the time…
but, i was wondering what people thought what would happen if a thousand people called him over the next week or so… that’s all.
James, just do what i do. I toss out 2 sometimes 3 tracfones a week. K mart, wal mart, heck even the Hess station sell them. This computer is the only tie to be traced and I dont do busniess on it.
oh, i don’t have the money for a mobile, and, i have assumed that every keystroke and every e-mail and every phone call has been tracked in one way or another since 9.11…
hell, my brother had his snail mail opened in the early 70s after he wrote a few letters to the paper. i’m used to fascism…
i have a rather dull life, so the guy at the nsa, my little 007, has a dull job…
the old phrase, ’same gal, different hairdo’ comes to mind…and now, mr goebbels, speaking on behalf of the bush administration:
Our entire war effort requires revolutionary changes. The old rules of war are outdated, and have no use at all in our present situation. This is the age of wars between nations. When whole peoples are threatened, whole peoples must defend themselves. The enemy does not want to take a province from us or push us back to more favorable strategic borders; he wants to cut our very arteries by destroying our mines and factories, destroying our national substance. If he succeeds, Germany will become a cemetery. Our people will starve and perish, aside from the millions who will be deported to Siberia as slave labor. In such a situation, any means is justified. We are in a state of national emergency; it is no time to ask what is normally done! Does the enemy worry about that? Where does international law allow for the tens of thousands of German women tortured and raped in the East, or the tens of thousands of German children who have been murdered in a cowardly and terrible way, or the many who have fallen victim to barbaric enemy bombing terror? All normal ideas of warfare have long since been discarded by the enemy. Only we good natured Germans still hold to them in the mistaken idea that we might thereby bring the enemy to reason.
From the article; The statement said the requests continued until Mr. Nacchio left in June 2002. His departure came amid accusations of fraud at the company, and he now faces federal charges of insider trading.
Hmmm. That might be worth reinvestigating to see whether or not it was done by the White House as retaliation for not handing over the phone records. A quick google search reveals that someone blew the whistle on Nacchio’s “fraud” in January of 2002.
with all due respect to those still uncertain of the illegality of the program, i have to say that i believe the qwest attorney, the attorney that filed the suit against verizon in nj, jonathan turley of georgetown law school, and john dean, who all agree that the program violates the privacy rights of the telephone subscribers….
however, this administration shares the same philosophy as their mentor, mr goebbels whose 23rd article for the german people states:
Article 23
No one has the right to complain about limitations on his personal freedom caused by the war. What significance do these have in view of the fact that countless men, even woman and children, have died!
Hit AT&T, Verizon and BellSouth where it hurts… the pocketbook. I am sure that they will all turn on BushCo once they realise how much this is going to cost them. Boycotts, class-action and individual lawsuits will become a nightmare for all of them.
Wonder what the resulting rise in phone rates will be? We can blame that on Bush, too I guess. We are at war, folks! I know it’s been a long time, but the government has to do some things that it doesn’t do when we aren’t at war. Why is the hatred for Bush so incredibly high that it totally removes any memory of what happened to us 5 years ago?
I coach volleyball and every year have a few players who have to sit on the bench because they aren’t very good. Some years they know their role and support the team toward victory, but more often than not, there is a least one who thinks he should be on the court – even though he sucks. So he complains about everything we do as a team and if someone makes a mistake, he thinks he wouldn’t have made that mistake (when actually he really does suck and would have made a dozen different mistakes).
That’s liberals today. They’ve been told for the past 12 years that they suck. They are sitting on the sidelines. And, rather than support the team in this war, they would rather complain about everything they see that’s wrong. Think about it. When was the last time you heard a liberal come up with a solution to a real problem?
What eventually happens to that player? I cut him, because he’s the real loser and he brings everyone else down. It’s fun to see liberals so giddy about November. I personally can’t wait to see another defeat of liberal ideas (if that’s what you want to call them) when we hit the ballot boxes.
Ah, the supository market forces purging the big dump. Any time now we should be hearing about the protection clause for these companies that is hidden some where in the revised Patriot act. Mark my words.
Good morning Mr. Chris Storms. Can’t you just say something in reference to the market without taking a cheap petty shot at Liberals. Let me ask you are there no Conservatives, not one, who are against this surveilance? Are you still going to vote for K. Harris?
The Bush Regime knows that Americans cannot live without phone service, so they allow the providers to screw everybody over, and then get the info. they want in return! You can try to boycott Bell South, or Verizon, etc., but they have enough clueless customers to keep them alive! “Big Brother” Bush has become a paranoid dictator and untill the day his regime falls, Americans are basically screwed!
The only way we can fight the corporations is with money — theirs.
They violated the rules of communication code because they did not have the guts to defy the unlawful, bullying White House.
We must do to Bushco as my dear departed Daddy did to me: slap the farr out of them then slap them for farring. It is a start! We should be suing the oil companies, the druggies, the insurance companies, and the lawyers. Therein my friends lies the rub. Where will we find an honest liberal lawyer to file the suits? There must be one or two hiding somewhere.
At least your comment gets to stay. Everytime I post comments on the Right’s blogs, they get deleted. Enjoy your freedom of speech while you still have it.
Storm-I did not forget what happened 5 years ago -Bush proved his incompetence for not protecting us and for not getting Osama (dead or alive or anywhere in between) 5 years and counting. Home of the free? Not under your plan-Home of the brave -bunch of wimps let fear rule them.
So THAT’s why Bush wanted to do away with trial lawyers!
And yes, Chris, you’ve been saying liberals suck for years now. We know that. But you didn’t win elections because liberals suck. You win elections because the so-called heartland is afraid of godless gays who want to take away your guns and hand over the country to Osama bin Laden. Nevermind if your assertions are true, if they believe it you will win.
So the real question is, will they believe it this time around?
I like your basketball analogy Chris. So now that Republicans have made dozens of mistakes (9/11, Osama at large, Katrina response, corruption, hookers, bribery, supporting dictators, N. Korea, Iran, fuel prices, etc) will you happily sit on the sidelines and cheer on the new Democrat majority?
Or will you launch into another 12 years of “Democrats SucK?”
I like your basketball analogy Srorms. So now that Republicans have made dozens of mistakes (9/11, Osama at large, Katrina response, corruption, hookers, bribery, supporting dictators, N. Korea, Iran, fuel prices, etc) will you happily sit on the sidelines and cheer on the new Democrat majority?
Or will you launch into another 12 years of “Democrats SucK?”
This morning there’s an op-ed in the Washington Post by a NSA spying defender, the former Deputy Homeland Security Advisor to the President. The level of ignorance and incompetence this guy demonstrates would be funny except these are the guys running the country. Real scary stuff! Here is my analysis.
When was the last time you heard a liberal come up with a solution to a real problem?
Are you freakin kidding?
The right is so dumb that their “ideas” all reduce down to one liner cliches. THIS is why you make this claim. Alternatives have been offered by many people and warnings about your dumbideas were given and it has all been ignored because YOU didnt come up with them. That is a sign of immaturity and out of control ego.
Ego is what has lead to the suffering of the people in almost all wars. You and your kind are the great criminals of history. Keep thumping your chest and teaching those kids that assholes like your self put wining above teamwork… what you dont realize is that the liberal way still wins wars… but with honor. If you do not have the honor to declare war on the enemy and get the backing of all the people in a just war then you are only egotistical criminals.
“The dolts at F.B.I. headquarters could not get it together to search Zacarias Moussaoui’s computer before 9/11, but now we have the F.B.I. searching the C.I.A.†– Mo Do.
. We should contact the ACLU and start a brainstorming movemen…
I filed an FCC criminal complaint and also sent in a request to the Verizon records department in Irving, Texas, asking for copies of all records of my records being sent to “third parties.” Verizon is required by California law to send all such information to customers upon request but not more than once a year.
I also contacted the Southern California ACLU to request how I may instigate discovery procedures against Verizon to acquire confirmation that they unlawfully divulged by private calling information to the Bush regime.
If you haven’t filed an FCC complaint, you can do so on line.
If you live in California you can acquire evidence of the company’s criminal treason.
#30: Think about it. When was the last time you heard a liberal come up with a solution to a real problem?
You idiot, we’ve all be demanding that this fascist terrorist regime’s traitors be indicted and removed from office. Haven’t you been paying attention, idiot?
What eventually happens to that player? I cut him, because he’s the real loser and he brings everyone else down. It’s fun to see liberals so giddy about November. I personally can’t wait to see another defeat of liberal ideas (if that’s what you want to call them) when we hit the ballot boxes.
Comment by Storms — May 13, 2006 @ 7:07 am
This is NOT a conservative talking. This is purely an apologist of bush’s, and you know who they are.
Program may cut support for Bush by conservatives
By Margaret Talev — Bee Washington Bureau
Published 2:15 am PDT Friday, May 12, 2006
WASHINGTON – “Astonished.” “Outrageous.” “Troublesome.” “This adds to the problem the president has.”
And those weren’t Democrats talking.
Conservative voters, who have driven President Bush’s job approval ratings into the low 30s as they split with him over his handling of issues such as the Dubai ports deal and immigration, threatened Thursday to push the president’s standing even lower with the latest revelations about the National Security Agency and ordinary Americans’ telephone calls.
Ouch.
May 12th, 2006 at 11:21 pmThis is the way to fight this corrupt governemt as one mass of Americans. Sue the phone companies…..all of us.
May 12th, 2006 at 11:36 pmWill they face reckoning? Or will Bush pardon them, because it’s a post 9/11 world?
May 12th, 2006 at 11:39 pmSue him too for ordering it.
Get the bastard in court.
May 12th, 2006 at 11:41 pmYes, I think it’s time for Americans to find creative ways to challenge this bunch of criminal “leaders” through the legal system….the congress is brain dead and the DOJ is in Bush’s pocket. The Supreme Court is just about there.
May 12th, 2006 at 11:51 pmIt’s time to go the route of the court with millions of individual and group lawsuits. We should contact the ACLU and start a brainstorming movement…….get the ACLU to set up a hotline and start a movement of lawyers and the majority of Americans that have a brain, sanity, fairness, and know that our country is being stolen from us NOW. Where’s Nader when he can do some good other than helping defeat Gore? He’s pretty good at organizing.
I have Verizon for my 2 cell phones, business line and DSL!!!! I am suing them myself but will participate in this Class Action. SQUEEZE THEM UNTIL THEY BLEED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BTW, I am dropping them.
May 13th, 2006 at 12:03 amI’m dropping also.
The only way to open there eyes is boysott.
May 13th, 2006 at 12:19 amI’m dropping also.
The only way to open there eyes is boycott.
May 13th, 2006 at 12:19 amAll the info the phone companies gave the govt is available for a price to anyone willing to pay them for it. Stored information act, personal privacy concerns all seem not to imply here. Security companies, law enforcement. Pretty much anyone with a letterhead and a check can get them.The only thing I see as different is these companies GAVE the records and didnt sell them. I cant see this lawsuit getting anywhere. Boycott seems only recourse.
May 13th, 2006 at 12:25 amwho feels lucky?
anyone want to send Ahmadi Nejad some email? i can’t find his phone number….
May 13th, 2006 at 12:26 am+98-21-64451
found it!
May 13th, 2006 at 12:27 amif everyone in the country called him a few times a day, what would happen?
ideas?
May 13th, 2006 at 12:28 amJames I think its 1-800-I IS A NUT
May 13th, 2006 at 12:31 ami really don’t think he is a nut… although i know it is much easier to think he is than it is to listen to him and read him and find out he may be right about 85% of the time…
but, i was wondering what people thought what would happen if a thousand people called him over the next week or so… that’s all.
May 13th, 2006 at 12:34 amJames, just do what i do. I toss out 2 sometimes 3 tracfones a week. K mart, wal mart, heck even the Hess station sell them. This computer is the only tie to be traced and I dont do busniess on it.
May 13th, 2006 at 12:38 amoh, i don’t have the money for a mobile, and, i have assumed that every keystroke and every e-mail and every phone call has been tracked in one way or another since 9.11…
hell, my brother had his snail mail opened in the early 70s after he wrote a few letters to the paper. i’m used to fascism…
i have a rather dull life, so the guy at the nsa, my little 007, has a dull job…
May 13th, 2006 at 12:45 amthe old phrase, ’same gal, different hairdo’ comes to mind…and now, mr goebbels, speaking on behalf of the bush administration:
May 13th, 2006 at 1:18 am
From the article;
The statement said the requests continued until Mr. Nacchio left in June 2002. His departure came amid accusations of fraud at the company, and he now faces federal charges of insider trading.
Hmmm. That might be worth reinvestigating to see whether or not it was done by the White House as retaliation for not handing over the phone records. A quick google search reveals that someone blew the whistle on Nacchio’s “fraud” in January of 2002.
May 13th, 2006 at 1:18 amEven if the stored information act doesn’t apply, arent they still breaking the law as accessory to federal crimes?
May 13th, 2006 at 1:22 amwith all due respect to those still uncertain of the illegality of the program, i have to say that i believe the qwest attorney, the attorney that filed the suit against verizon in nj, jonathan turley of georgetown law school, and john dean, who all agree that the program violates the privacy rights of the telephone subscribers….
May 13th, 2006 at 1:30 amhowever, this administration shares the same philosophy as their mentor, mr goebbels whose 23rd article for the german people states:
Article 23
No one has the right to complain about limitations on his personal freedom caused by the war. What significance do these have in view of the fact that countless men, even woman and children, have died!
May 13th, 2006 at 1:32 amHere’s my free advice to the NSA and an alternative method the Democrats might want to consider to protect privacy.
May 13th, 2006 at 1:37 amwow! that is an interesting idea…
May 13th, 2006 at 1:45 amHit AT&T, Verizon and BellSouth where it hurts… the pocketbook. I am sure that they will all turn on BushCo once they realise how much this is going to cost them. Boycotts, class-action and individual lawsuits will become a nightmare for all of them.
May 13th, 2006 at 1:47 amoh, god, henry kissinger and i agree on something…i feel so dirty right now…
May 13th, 2006 at 1:51 amjames, the ghost of Goebells apparently made it to America.
May 13th, 2006 at 2:02 amWow, self implosion at its finest.
May 13th, 2006 at 4:07 amSmooth thinking vengeful Americans you!
Verizon’s General Counsel, was Attorney General for Bush 41. You know, like John Ashcroft? That should come in handy.
May 13th, 2006 at 4:07 amSue them until their blood runs clear and then sue them some more.
Next Lets Sue bush/cheney for bring Nazism to America .Sue their asses for Mental abuse spreading and inciting fear of terror in America.
James Risser good job for digging that up .Yeah gobblels would be proud of the scare tactics that bushco puts out via the MSM…
May 13th, 2006 at 7:02 amWonder what the resulting rise in phone rates will be? We can blame that on Bush, too I guess. We are at war, folks! I know it’s been a long time, but the government has to do some things that it doesn’t do when we aren’t at war. Why is the hatred for Bush so incredibly high that it totally removes any memory of what happened to us 5 years ago?
I coach volleyball and every year have a few players who have to sit on the bench because they aren’t very good. Some years they know their role and support the team toward victory, but more often than not, there is a least one who thinks he should be on the court – even though he sucks. So he complains about everything we do as a team and if someone makes a mistake, he thinks he wouldn’t have made that mistake (when actually he really does suck and would have made a dozen different mistakes).
That’s liberals today. They’ve been told for the past 12 years that they suck. They are sitting on the sidelines. And, rather than support the team in this war, they would rather complain about everything they see that’s wrong. Think about it. When was the last time you heard a liberal come up with a solution to a real problem?
What eventually happens to that player? I cut him, because he’s the real loser and he brings everyone else down. It’s fun to see liberals so giddy about November. I personally can’t wait to see another defeat of liberal ideas (if that’s what you want to call them) when we hit the ballot boxes.
May 13th, 2006 at 7:07 amAh, the supository market forces purging the big dump. Any time now we should be hearing about the protection clause for these companies that is hidden some where in the revised Patriot act. Mark my words.
May 13th, 2006 at 8:18 amGood morning Mr. Chris Storms. Can’t you just say something in reference to the market without taking a cheap petty shot at Liberals. Let me ask you are there no Conservatives, not one, who are against this surveilance? Are you still going to vote for K. Harris?
May 13th, 2006 at 8:20 amThe Bush Regime knows that Americans cannot live without phone service, so they allow the providers to screw everybody over, and then get the info. they want in return! You can try to boycott Bell South, or Verizon, etc., but they have enough clueless customers to keep them alive! “Big Brother” Bush has become a paranoid dictator and untill the day his regime falls, Americans are basically screwed!
May 13th, 2006 at 8:45 amWhy do we have to wait until November to get supeona power?
May 13th, 2006 at 9:10 amThe only way we can fight the corporations is with money — theirs.
May 13th, 2006 at 9:11 amThey violated the rules of communication code because they did not have the guts to defy the unlawful, bullying White House.
I really hope this becomes a national class-action lawsuit.
May 13th, 2006 at 9:22 amThe phone companies could learn a thing or two about responsibility.
Lawsuits are popping up all over. Here is another one against Verizon in Oregon.
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/1147488931207760.xml&coll=7
May 13th, 2006 at 10:01 amBell South and AT&T are also gettng their own headaches.
May 13th, 2006 at 10:01 amWe must do to Bushco as my dear departed Daddy did to me: slap the farr out of them then slap them for farring. It is a start! We should be suing the oil companies, the druggies, the insurance companies, and the lawyers. Therein my friends lies the rub. Where will we find an honest liberal lawyer to file the suits? There must be one or two hiding somewhere.
May 13th, 2006 at 10:07 am(C)Storms,
At least your comment gets to stay. Everytime I post comments on the Right’s blogs, they get deleted. Enjoy your freedom of speech while you still have it.
May 13th, 2006 at 10:53 amStorm-I did not forget what happened 5 years ago -Bush proved his incompetence for not protecting us and for not getting Osama (dead or alive or anywhere in between) 5 years and counting. Home of the free? Not under your plan-Home of the brave -bunch of wimps let fear rule them.
May 13th, 2006 at 11:10 amSo THAT’s why Bush wanted to do away with trial lawyers!
And yes, Chris, you’ve been saying liberals suck for years now. We know that. But you didn’t win elections because liberals suck. You win elections because the so-called heartland is afraid of godless gays who want to take away your guns and hand over the country to Osama bin Laden. Nevermind if your assertions are true, if they believe it you will win.
So the real question is, will they believe it this time around?
May 13th, 2006 at 11:17 amI like your basketball analogy Chris. So now that Republicans have made dozens of mistakes (9/11, Osama at large, Katrina response, corruption, hookers, bribery, supporting dictators, N. Korea, Iran, fuel prices, etc) will you happily sit on the sidelines and cheer on the new Democrat majority?
Or will you launch into another 12 years of “Democrats SucK?”
May 13th, 2006 at 11:19 amI like your basketball analogy Srorms. So now that Republicans have made dozens of mistakes (9/11, Osama at large, Katrina response, corruption, hookers, bribery, supporting dictators, N. Korea, Iran, fuel prices, etc) will you happily sit on the sidelines and cheer on the new Democrat majority?
Or will you launch into another 12 years of “Democrats SucK?”
May 13th, 2006 at 11:20 amThis morning there’s an op-ed in the Washington Post by a NSA spying defender, the former Deputy Homeland Security Advisor to the President. The level of ignorance and incompetence this guy demonstrates would be funny except these are the guys running the country. Real scary stuff! Here is my analysis.
May 13th, 2006 at 11:41 amWhen was the last time you heard a liberal come up with a solution to a real problem?
Are you freakin kidding?
The right is so dumb that their “ideas” all reduce down to one liner cliches. THIS is why you make this claim. Alternatives have been offered by many people and warnings about your dumbideas were given and it has all been ignored because YOU didnt come up with them. That is a sign of immaturity and out of control ego.
Ego is what has lead to the suffering of the people in almost all wars. You and your kind are the great criminals of history. Keep thumping your chest and teaching those kids that assholes like your self put wining above teamwork… what you dont realize is that the liberal way still wins wars… but with honor. If you do not have the honor to declare war on the enemy and get the backing of all the people in a just war then you are only egotistical criminals.
May 13th, 2006 at 12:03 pm“The dolts at F.B.I. headquarters could not get it together to search Zacarias Moussaoui’s computer before 9/11, but now we have the F.B.I. searching the C.I.A.†– Mo Do.
Let’s get Dowd-y behind the firewall, shall we?
May 13th, 2006 at 12:32 pm. We should contact the ACLU and start a brainstorming movemen…
I filed an FCC criminal complaint and also sent in a request to the Verizon records department in Irving, Texas, asking for copies of all records of my records being sent to “third parties.” Verizon is required by California law to send all such information to customers upon request but not more than once a year.
I also contacted the Southern California ACLU to request how I may instigate discovery procedures against Verizon to acquire confirmation that they unlawfully divulged by private calling information to the Bush regime.
If you haven’t filed an FCC complaint, you can do so on line.
If you live in California you can acquire evidence of the company’s criminal treason.
May 13th, 2006 at 1:23 pm#30: Think about it. When was the last time you heard a liberal come up with a solution to a real problem?
You idiot, we’ve all be demanding that this fascist terrorist regime’s traitors be indicted and removed from office. Haven’t you been paying attention, idiot?
May 13th, 2006 at 1:30 pm#47
thank you for posting the newest mo…
May 13th, 2006 at 1:30 pmHey, no prob, James. I do it several times a week.
Good work on uncovering that NSA scandal last winter. ;-)
May 13th, 2006 at 1:37 pmWhat eventually happens to that player? I cut him, because he’s the real loser and he brings everyone else down. It’s fun to see liberals so giddy about November. I personally can’t wait to see another defeat of liberal ideas (if that’s what you want to call them) when we hit the ballot boxes.
Comment by Storms — May 13, 2006 @ 7:07 am
This is NOT a conservative talking. This is purely an apologist of bush’s, and you know who they are.
May 13th, 2006 at 1:53 pmProgram may cut support for Bush by conservatives
By Margaret Talev — Bee Washington Bureau
Published 2:15 am PDT Friday, May 12, 2006
WASHINGTON – “Astonished.” “Outrageous.” “Troublesome.” “This adds to the problem the president has.”
And those weren’t Democrats talking.
May 13th, 2006 at 1:55 pmConservative voters, who have driven President Bush’s job approval ratings into the low 30s as they split with him over his handling of issues such as the Dubai ports deal and immigration, threatened Thursday to push the president’s standing even lower with the latest revelations about the National Security Agency and ordinary Americans’ telephone calls.
Taking action works.
Good job to those who have canceled their service with these criiminal companies. A $175 disconnect fee is certainly worth it.
Now that you have learned your lesson, check out each and every company before doing business with them.
We’ll put these Bushits out of business in no time.
May 13th, 2006 at 1:56 pmYou should, after running it for two days, correct the figure. Its $5 not $50 billion, based on all other reporting I’ve seen
May 14th, 2006 at 11:16 amcheap dsl
Interestingly, this was on CNN last week.
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