Fox News Host On NSA Story: Wall Street Won’t Let A ‘Puny Little Traitor…Take Down Our Market’
Fox News Host On NSA Story: Wall Street Won’t Let A ‘Puny Little Traitor…Take Down Our Market’
The Dow was down 120 points today, prompting Fox News’ David Ruder to suggest it was because USA Today made “the country less safe” by running its story on NSA’s data mining.
But Fox News host Brenda Butler disagreed, saying that Wall Street would “not going to let some puny, little traitor, some leaker who went ahead and compromised our national security, take down this, take down our market, take down our country.” Watch it:
Full transcript below:
RUDER: Many thought this was the week the Dow would hit an all-time high. We seemed well on our way and looked like Thursday could be the day. Well guess what? Then came the headlines in yesterday’s papers. A leak about national security. The president saying the country is less safe and stocks sell off big-time. A coincidence? So when national security is compromised, how closesly does Wall Street watch? With us now, the Cost-of-Freedom All-Stars, we’ve got Brenda Butler, she starts it off on Saturdays, the host of Bulls and Bears, along with Stormin-Mike Norman and Charles Payne. So Mike, a coincidence? I don’t think so.
…RUDER: We saved the best for last. Brenda?
BUTLER: Let me tell you something. Wall Street knows, we are winning this war on terror. They are not afraid that we will win it. They are so secure in President Bush’s winning it, they are not going to let some puny, little traitor, some leaker who went ahead and compromised our national security, take down this, take down our market, take down our country, there is no way.
RUDER: Do you like this guy? I am not sure.
BUTLER: There is no way this is going to happen. Absolutely.
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Thank God she's on the GOP's side.
All Your Phone Records Are Belong To Us.
Oh, and Frist, btw...
May 12th, 2006 at 5:48 pmWhat did Fox News blame on the Dow's 140-point tank job yesterday? I'm guessing today's 120-point swoon had juuuuust a little more to do with an oil pipeline getting blown up in Nigeria along with growing concerns over security in that oil-rich country. But then, I'm not an "expert" like the Fox News talking-heads.
May 12th, 2006 at 5:50 pmWow. That was repugnant. Where do they find these people? I need a shower.
Just as an aside, with the markets down 260 points in two days, it looks like the opposite of that harpy's position is true (if you buy her premise).
May 12th, 2006 at 5:50 pmAHAHAHA! So we live under a government that spies on its own citizens and the media outlets that have the courage to do actual reporting of this are the traitors????
May 12th, 2006 at 5:51 pmPretty soon, Bush may have to decide whether to declare martial law or not and have all his opponents in Congress and in the country arrested and thrown into secret prisons in order to stay out of jail.
May 12th, 2006 at 5:51 pmHow convinient......
never underestimate Fox News' ability to correlate two unrelated stories
President breaks the law...ITS THE MEDIA's Fault!!!!!
May 12th, 2006 at 5:53 pmThis woman and ALL low-life scum of Fox News are just incorrigible. Can't believe someone would make such a remark as that :-0
May 12th, 2006 at 5:53 pmHow convinient......
never underestimate Fox News' ability to correlate two unrelated stories
President breaks the law...ITS THE MEDIA's Fault!!!!!
Now if the market went Up...
thae narritive would be ......
May 12th, 2006 at 5:54 pm"Wall Street, like 66 percent of Americans, doesnt believe the NSA massive data mining story endangers privacy so therefore stocks went up"
Dictatorship is bad for the economy.
May 12th, 2006 at 5:55 pmROFL
(shrug) Sweet jesus, I have tears running down my face. I haven't seen anything this funny on fox since they blamed democrats for the rising gas prices a couple of years ago. So when are they going to remove the fair and balanced moniker?
May 12th, 2006 at 5:56 pmnaturally the May Labor stats, the Fed's interest increase, the Iranian/Saudi bourse inaugural sale, the cost increases of basic services and needs due to energy prices---had nothing whatsoever to do with the stock market. NYSE is all about the reported stories in the regular news section of USA Today, right?? So did you hear about this bridge that is for sale????
May 12th, 2006 at 5:58 pmWOW COULD IT BE THAT THE OIL PIPE LINE IN NIGERIA EXPLODED KILLING 200 PEOPLE, OR IS THE MARKET SO WEAK THAT THE USA TODAY STORY HAD THAT MUCH EFFECT.
May 12th, 2006 at 5:58 pmLooks like Fox has joined Karl Rove in full-on campaign mode...this Fox assertion is completely absurd...but wholly consistent with the Republican message machine. They craft a message and they repeat it over and over...it doesn't matter if it is false.
Sadly, they shouldn't be able to represent the network as a purveyor of the news. Even more troubling is thinking about the viewers that buy the spin being delivered. Much of what is said isn't even logical. Amazing!
more observations here:
http://www.thoughttheater.com
May 12th, 2006 at 5:58 pmWell since both ATT and Verizon now face at least one lawsuit each, Verizon's is for $5 billion, I guess it might tend to affect their stock tomorrow.
May 12th, 2006 at 5:59 pmWhy did I get a weird deja vu feeling that I'd seen this before..perhaps on PTL Club?
The more it becomes obvious that country is ANGRY(!) at this administration for this unwarranted spying on American citizens, the more crazy these FOX losers appear... and that's a good thing. Maybe the American sheeple will finally wake up.
May 12th, 2006 at 6:01 pmOMG! This is a news station! Baffoon News. The scary part is that many get the "information" exclusively from Faux.
The world is upside down. Fox is a real news station that performs like it should be on Comedy Central. And the Daily Show is a comedy show that provides more news than most msm.
A shower won't do. I need complete decontamination.
May 12th, 2006 at 6:01 pmThis is kinda scary.
May 12th, 2006 at 6:02 pmSaying "Some puny Traitor" borders on hostile. So if you say anything negative against the Dictator, you are slammed? How much longer before such a remark will get you thrown in Gitmo?
This is no longer a slippery slope, folks.
As Robin Williams has said, we are heading "...balls first down an ice chute."
I want every FOX (FAUX) news person who stands in front of a camera to chew their own face off right now. See, doesn't that feel better?
May 12th, 2006 at 6:03 pmI think one has to pass an offensive test before being hired by Fox. Where do they find these propagandists, these distorters of fact, these inflammatory demagogues?
Hasn't the DOW dropped for the last three days? Today they blame it on the "leak."
It ticks me off that no one is talking about the illegality of what Bush has done; the violation of the Constitution. Instead they take public opinion polls. Worse, they don't decry the illegal activity, they blame the guy who leaked it to the press! They shoot the messenger -- yeah, he's a bad guy -- yeah why'd he have to blow the whistle on the boy-king -- we should be grateful that some people still have a sense of justice, and risk their own reputations to tell the truth.
May 12th, 2006 at 6:03 pmW.O.W!!!
we need to write Fox news and tell them our disgust with this example.. its u nreal.. UNREAL>
May 12th, 2006 at 6:05 pmAnybody tracking Qwest? With so many people switching to their service, they may see a big rally.
May 12th, 2006 at 6:06 pmOver on powerline they are barely discussing the NSA phone issue, and the only thing they do have about, is an article on how easy it is to get phone records. No mention of tracking the calling habits of millions of people nationwide, no reference to legality or anything else. Just a this aint a big deal nothing to see here move along sort of reaction.
May 12th, 2006 at 6:06 pmWow... this is what a fascist's whore looks like.
May 12th, 2006 at 6:08 pmDid someone poke her with something?
May 12th, 2006 at 6:10 pmits funny that they are upset at traitors. wheres the outrage at libby, probobly rove, possibly cheney, and who knows if bush knows anything at all
May 12th, 2006 at 6:11 pmI live on the east coast. I hear Qwest is a west coast company.
May 12th, 2006 at 6:11 pmAnyone know of a co. I can switch to here in Massachusetts?
#27: Anyone know of a co. I can switch to here in Massachusetts? - - Tincanstringtincan Telco.
May 12th, 2006 at 6:14 pmThe only thing I can say about this woman is "See You Next Tuesday."
May 12th, 2006 at 6:15 pmHello???? Nigeria has had the oil refineries attacked twice this week!!! I thought that had a little to do with the stock market and oil prices. Hmmm, now its the USA Today story? Who believes this shit? I dont know how Bushes approval rating is still up to 29%!! Who are these people?
May 12th, 2006 at 6:16 pmFox news is a traitor for not reporting the good news out of Iraq. In my running tally, as of yesterday I've checked their Web site 15 times in 7 weeks. Not one bit of good news. Not one story.
Remember Baby Noor? One of the soldiers involved in finding and bringing her to the USA was on one of the morning news shows the other day. His tour of duty was over and he had returned home. He had talked about other good news stories like that of Baby Noor, saying there were "thousands" of these stories in Iraq.
So, Fox News, why aren't you reporting on them?
May 12th, 2006 at 6:17 pmBadmoodman:
May 12th, 2006 at 6:24 pmThanks for the laugh of my night!
That was great.
No. Stocks sold off because they no longer have confidence in the Dick-Bush Police State.
May 12th, 2006 at 6:26 pmi think the nigerian issue had a bit more to do with it...
oh, and this tiddy little story about our friend from venezuela:
hugo, couldn't have said it better. bravo!!!
May 12th, 2006 at 6:34 pmDid someone poke her with something?
Comment by Zookeeper
May 12th, 2006 at 6:34 pmActually, Zookeeper, I looked at her pic again; she looks really constipated.
I would say that Wall Street may, if it thought the Fox presenters had any real influence on Business in America. After all, their insidious treachery has done more harm to America then any whistleblower ever did.
May 12th, 2006 at 6:35 pmWell it's either the traitor or Clinton's fault.
Damnit!
May 12th, 2006 at 6:37 pmLOL...I agree with Zookeeper - someone is definitely poking her with a stick or something....or the constipation theory seems possible.
May 12th, 2006 at 6:41 pmcnn and the other evil network are ALL OVER that 502 person poll! my god, abc calls up 502 ass-clowns and don't even qualify the question with 'without a warrant' and these morons just suck every ounce out of it...
May 12th, 2006 at 6:42 pmFair and Balanced as always lol. Fox News is the "journalistic hack" graveyard and these are just 2 examples of many at Fox.
May 12th, 2006 at 6:43 pmThis is why Faux news channel is blocked on my tv =P
May 12th, 2006 at 6:49 pmHEY HEY HEY
May 12th, 2006 at 6:49 pmrandi rhodes just announced that rove IS indicted
will resign!!!!!!!!!!!
damn - it may have been a joke
May 12th, 2006 at 6:51 pmcan't find the real thing... sorry
It takes a TRAITOR to know a TRAITOR.
STOP THE INSANITY - MY HEAD IS A TOP - EVERYDAY WITH THESE CLOWNS!!
Once again, blame the "liberal media" and their """"conservative"""" owners!! Do you think Rupert Murdoch is a flibbin' democrat?
May 12th, 2006 at 6:53 pmAlways with the thumb on the scale................
FOX, Fair and Balanced.
May 12th, 2006 at 6:53 pmThe Stock Market is on the verge of collapse just like the economy! I would not be surprised if it crashed just after Christmas this year! Bush's economic policies are detrimental to everyone but the wealthy elite! Expect another "Great Depression" with 50% unemployed, and another 40% working for peanuts, and elite 10% doing great!
May 12th, 2006 at 6:54 pmWarped...absolutely warped!
These people are absolutely, positively deluded.
If Wall Street reacted to so-called "threats" to national security, there would have been a huge, resounding thud in early November 2004, when Bush got re-elected.
The greatest threat to our national security is the administration running it into the ground.
May 12th, 2006 at 6:59 pmRemember, the Regressive Bush Regime wants to bring Liberal Democracy to the Middel East because they can't stand having it around here.
May 12th, 2006 at 7:00 pmNOPE - this is what randi announced:
Rove Informs White House He Will Be Indicted
By Jason Leopold
t r u t h o u t | Report
Friday 12 May 2006
May 12th, 2006 at 7:00 pmwell...America is not going to let some 'puny fox bitch' lie to us....brenda butthead.
May 12th, 2006 at 7:01 pmIT APPEARS THE FROGMARCHING IS ABOUT TO COMMENCE!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you Mr. Fitzgerald. You are a real Patriot and an HONEST MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/051206Y.shtml
May 12th, 2006 at 7:01 pmIf the sneaky lil' traitor who exposed Ms Plame, and her entire
May 12th, 2006 at 7:02 pmfront organisation, didn;t shake down the market, then I doubt this will.
Ironic that Butler attacks a "leaker" when BushCo are a bunch of two-faced leakers!
BushCo = LIARS!
May 12th, 2006 at 7:05 pmIf this is all that it takes to bring down the American stockmarket, then it was a bubble market, or basically a market based on nothing but goodwill, and let me be the first person to say: Bush's bubble was pretty damn pathetic.
I doubt however, that America's markets are going to collapse all that soon though.
May 12th, 2006 at 7:08 pmVerizon and At&T went down today!
Ha, ha stupid Bush contributors!
May 12th, 2006 at 7:11 pmWhat a loser.
We are only "winning" this war because that's what the GOP talking points are. That's what the GOP wants said on newscasts, in letters to the editor, by people who call in to radio talk shows.
The GOP talking points also say, non-factually, that the "economy is getting better" and that "things in Iraq are improving" among other things.
This woman is good at regurgitating GOP spin, but pathetic and terrible at being a newsreader. Because she's obviously no journalist.
May 12th, 2006 at 7:16 pmyou know they're out there (we have one as preznit), but its always startling to see a person that stupid, that craven, in action.
May 12th, 2006 at 7:18 pm.
My local morning news (WGN, Republican owned)reported Bush's crimes all morning long.
WGN is owned by the Tribune Company and I've boycotted them since they endorsed the criminal for Prez.
Those who contributed are turning on the criminal. Bubble boys base is nearing the "mentals only" status.
May 12th, 2006 at 7:24 pmnot going to let some puny, little traitor, some leaker who went ahead and compromised our national security, take down this, take down our market, take down our country
I agree.
We must not let Libby, Rove, Cheney, etc. leak sensitive information regarding the identity of agents working under cover or whose status is classified. We cannot let those puny little traitors compromise our national security. They must be brought to court and tried for their crimes.
May 12th, 2006 at 7:27 pmThose people at Fox News are insane. They should be writing TV scripts since they're so good at writing bad fiction.
May 12th, 2006 at 7:31 pmWHA?
They said 63% of Americans think it's acceptable in the Polls.
Now we are supposed to believe this?
You know what caused it, in my View?
The Aircraft Carriers being sent to the Persian Gulf.
I wonder if the DOW dropped before the IRAQ Freedo..Regi...Huma...WAR.
Seems, to me, not an ecomomyth, that A pipelibe getting blown up would raise prices, like the Hurricanes did.
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PAUL SOLMAN: It could be, then, that the steep run-up in oil prices before the war had been slowing the economy, that the recent drop of more than 20 percent in the price of a barrel is about to help revive it. But as we've seen on other occasions, oil spurts and swoons for lots of reasons. Julian Barrowcliffe runs Bank of America's oil desk.
JULIAN BARROWCLIFFE: This was the euphoric period where everybody thought the whole thing would be over in 48 hours and it would be a cakewalk.
PAUL SOLMAN: Right. Right from here down to there, right?
JULIAN BARROWCLIFFE: This was the "oh, this is more complicated than it looks" reversal, okay? (Laughter) where the market stopped falling and found its feet. This recent blip here is actually short-term problems in Nigeria. There were production outages in Nigeria because of strikes over there. And then the final thing that's really taken things down in the last two days is this SARS virus. It's really destroying demand for refined products -- things like jet fuel and so on -- particularly in the Far East. Nobody's traveling in the Far East.
PAUL SOLMAN: If oil moves on the very latest information, so do stocks. Ian Winer runs the NASDAQ desk, where prices were up almost 4 percent before noon
May 12th, 2006 at 7:34 pmIt just doesn't get any dumber than fox news.
It's the cartoon channel but with humans.
May 12th, 2006 at 7:35 pmLet me tell you something. BUSH knows, we are NOT winning this war on terror. They are afraid that we will win it. They are so insecure in President Bush’s losingit, they are not going to let some puny, little traitor named Bush, some leaker who went ahead and compromised our national security that Bush guy, take down this, take down our market, take down our country, there is no way.
Thats what Happens when you put money before mankind and lie about War.
BUSH is getting his due, SO will you FOX [666] Nutwork.
I HOPE the CEOs Of EXXON, Chevron, BP, all of them, along with the self serving senate and congress Rott In Hell
May 12th, 2006 at 7:43 pmROTT IN HELL FOX NEWS
May 12th, 2006 at 7:44 pmThanks to all that contributed the Rove stuff.
I thought for sure today was gonna be the day.
Can anybody tell me if there will be (after Rove is gone) anyone in Bubble boys cabinet that has been with him since 2000?
I can't think of anyone. When you work for Bubble Boy and Crashcart, your career is short.
May 12th, 2006 at 7:46 pmHell, let's all be just like BellSouth, Verizon and AT&T and sell out our fellow citizens for a few penny's more on the dollar!!!
May 12th, 2006 at 7:55 pmThat is not a healthy woman.
May 12th, 2006 at 7:58 pmthanks for that StupidR - hell, i didn't think anyone was "listening"...
May 12th, 2006 at 8:03 pmi understand it's not THE difinitive news we'd been hoping for, but i did think there would be SOME kind of reaction... you were it...
ah well... makes ME happy... and tannen...
katy, I think its safe to say that Fitz has been extremely busy these days. Every time you turn on the news, the internet or open a newspaper, a republican is being indicted.
If Fitz demands a pay raise, I approve.
May 12th, 2006 at 8:10 pmShe's absolutely apeshit crazy, dredged in crazy, dipped in egg, and coated in more crazy and deep fried and served with a crazy dipping sauce. WOW. How does fox find this much crazy?
May 12th, 2006 at 8:23 pmFox has a simple test...watch their programs for 6 hours non stop(4 hours are bill O'Liely) and if you are not raving mad, laughing hysterically, or puking your hired because you have proven that your as delusional as the backwash that watches Fox daily....
May 12th, 2006 at 8:30 pmOkay, let's see if I correctly understand the "progressive" position on privacy:
It's okay for the NSA to listen to al Qaeda phone calls in or between foreign countries, but if al Qaeda calls someone in the U.S. the NSA has to hang up and start filling out a FISA application.
It's okay for companies to make millions of dollars selling our names, addresses and phone numbers for telemarketing purposes, but it's not okay to for them to give that same information to the NSA for intelligence purposes.
It's okay for Chuck Schumer to invade the privacy of Michael Steele's credit information for political purposes, but it's not okay for the NSA to monitor the credit transactions of suspected al Qaeda operatives.
In other words, "progressives" want our civil liberties to be hermetically sealed, so that we can't learn of a terrorist attack until it happens. The Bush administration, by contrast, is dedicated to stopping those attacks through aggressive intelligence. They have succeeded in foiling at least 10 attacks that we know of. Is there any gratitude, and appreciation of this fact, on the Left? No, because Bush hatred is so powerful a poison that the Left can't acknowledge when its very existence is being protected by this president.
The Left is worse than a mad dog. At least a mad dog can be put out of its misery. I recommend the method used in "To Kill a Mockingbird."
May 12th, 2006 at 8:35 pm#73 BSR sez........"It’s okay for the NSA to listen to al Qaeda phone calls in or between foreign countries, but if al Qaeda calls someone in the U.S. the NSA has to hang up and start filling out a FISA application."
how would you know? You got some personal line into the NSA?
May 12th, 2006 at 8:40 pmBlue State Red,
"Okay, let’s see if I correctly understand the “progressive†position on privacy"
No, you don't.
May 12th, 2006 at 8:48 pmBSR...There sure are a lot of us lefties out there. GW Shrubs approval rating at 29%. I guess us lefties voted him into office. No one here said it was OK to release information to anyone. I didn't give anyone the right to sell my personal info...our civil liberties are guranteed by the Constitution, which your president wants to wipe his ass with. They can wait up to 72 hours to get a FISA warrant, if they can prove it is worthy of one....that's it, take your weak ass arguments elsewhere. And be sure to say goodbye to Turd Blossum for us.
GOP = Liars and thieves. The two thing that don't go together with leadership.
May 12th, 2006 at 8:49 pmDownfall 2006: Army Group Steiner will save us any moment now!
May 12th, 2006 at 8:54 pmI certainly hope Wall Street doesn't let that puny little traitor, George W. Bush, drag down our economy!
Come on Corporate America, put someone else in the Whitehouse, someone who's not a puny little Dictator-wannabe.
May 12th, 2006 at 9:02 pmPost 73 really defends the Bush Regime no matter what stupidity and criminality they do > lol. There is NO proof that Bush goons have thwarted 10 terrorist attacks, but they failed to stop 9/11, or did they allow it to happen?
May 12th, 2006 at 9:19 pmLook BSr is back my favorite chickenshit.
It’s okay for the NSA to listen to al Qaeda phone calls in or between foreign countries, but if al Qaeda calls someone in the U.S. the NSA has to hang up and start filling out a FISA application.
if you check they can apply a wiretap, and then have 72 hours to request a retroactive
FISA warrant. Problem solved.
It’s okay for companies to make millions of dollars selling our names, addresses and phone numbers for telemarketing purposes, but it’s not okay to for them to give that same information to the NSA for intelligence purposes.
NO I really don't like it when they do this either, and do my best to check the boxes that help them prevent sharing of information about me to other companies. As for the government, they don't need to know unless they have warrants and probable cause.
It’s okay for Chuck Schumer to invade the privacy of Michael Steele’s credit information for political purposes, but it’s not okay for the NSA to monitor the credit transactions of suspected al Qaeda operatives.
I have no idea what you are talking about here with Schumer, and if they are suspected al qaeda, then thay have probable cause and can get warrants etc.
your a nitwit BSR go pedal you crap somewhere they care
PS if you send me your boys address I can send a recriuting brochure or two, the army would like him I'm sure.
May 12th, 2006 at 9:33 pmBLUESTATERED.... WHAT 10 ATTACKS WERE THWARTED??? FACTS PLEASE. NOT FAUX NEWS BABLE SPIN!!!
May 12th, 2006 at 9:36 pmBSr is low on facts and long on rants. Ask him about his military service however and you get threats. For and old man he acts like a little child
May 12th, 2006 at 9:39 pmTypically I would be against this kind of thing, but as a part of the effort to prevent another attack from inside our borders this seems kind of mild. As I understand it, they are just tracking phone numbers, not names and addresses. And they are not tapping into the calls -- just analyzing patterns. Why is this so bad?
May 12th, 2006 at 9:41 pmSlow down everybody. They're just tracking number-to-number patterns. No eavesdropping, no wiretapping. I doubt this will help much in terms of identifying terrorists, but it's not really harming anyone.
May 12th, 2006 at 9:45 pmPeople need to eat. People need to live in houses. People have to work. People need clothing.
People like to drive automobiles. People want electricity. People want to own and purchase items they desire.
Therein lies the market. It isn't going to crash. It goes up, it goes down. FW Woolworth was some 180 dollars per share in 1929. It is no longer a stock on the New York Stock Exchange. Companies come and go. Microsoft is one that has rocketed to the top.
The market is here to stay as long as there are people. Simple as that.
Deutsche Bank is hedging its bets on the market to stick around.
Some nitwit on Fix News freaks out and people have a cat because of it. Nutty indeed.
May 12th, 2006 at 9:55 pmCONCERNED.... If its not harming anyone why have they concealed they were doing it?
May 12th, 2006 at 9:55 pm#84 unless too many of the people that you called are on lists like...no fly..or anti-war...or enviromentalists...or maybe just other progressives, then you might have something to worry about given the current administrations attack their "enemies"..remember Bush said either we were for hiom or again him..and I for one am not for many of his illegal and immoral activities
May 12th, 2006 at 9:57 pmHow will your flying monkeys be deployed when constipation strikes?
It's friday night, kiddies. Play nice... or not.
May 12th, 2006 at 10:05 pmLast night Scarborough - the conservative - said "be afraid, be very afraid". Libertariandy and concerned conservative: it may seem harmless now....next it will be your bank and medical records. This is suspiciously looking more and more like the total awareness program that was forced to shut down in 2003.....I think it's been resurrected.
May 12th, 2006 at 10:05 pm[...] They’re getting more and more deranged at Fox News every day. The Dow was down 120 points today, prompting Fox News’ David Ruder to suggest it was because USA Today made “the country less safe†by running its story on NSA’s data mining. [...]
May 12th, 2006 at 10:05 pmGod, if that didn't sound like game show BS I don't know what does. How can those losers sleep at night? If I made money that way I'd feel like I was prostituting myself. Seriously. Ick.
May 12th, 2006 at 10:11 pmSyd it already are the banks and credit cards....
http://www.shns.com/shns/g_index2.cfm?action=detail&pk=RAISEALARM-02-28-06
May 12th, 2006 at 10:12 pmClif: Excellent point....I'd forgotten about that article but thanks for the reminder. People should be so beyond outrage.....aaaargh.
May 12th, 2006 at 10:23 pmNo. 83 and No. 84
You are wrong. The point is...the FACT is,.......that neither you nor anyone else KNOWS WHAT THE HELL THEY ARE DOING. Period. That's the point. You don't know if they are "JUST" collecting phone numbers or flying to the moon. And if you trust this dictator of a leader we have you are not only stupid, you are just plain nuts.....and not doing your job as a citizen by being uninformed. This president has repeatedly lied....you conveniently don't take that into acount.
May 12th, 2006 at 10:38 pmWe are up against an all out assualt on our freedom to know at Fox. It is a scam on the American people in the name of GW Bush and raw power. The crazies have stolen the megaphone folks. Time to storm the stage and take it away from them. The time is now.
May 12th, 2006 at 10:41 pmand hillary clinton is doing fundraisers with rupert murdoch--the mastermind behind whats totally wrong with this country and this network? does someone have an answer to this?
May 12th, 2006 at 10:41 pmPoll: Clinton outperformed Bush (CNN) -- In a new poll comparing President Bush's job performance with that of his predecessor, a strong majority of respondents said President Clinton outperformed Bush on a host of issues.
Man, are the neo-cons going to hate this.
May 12th, 2006 at 10:43 pmShut your pie hole!
May 12th, 2006 at 11:38 pmBobcat_grad I saw the story live on CNN, and have posted the full story everywhere I can...wonder what the blood pressure at freeperville is about now....LOL
May 12th, 2006 at 11:41 pm#73.
You don't correctly understand the progressive position on privacy. If NSA is tracking calls from or to known Al Quada operative, there is no problem getting a warrant from the NSA Court. They don't have to hang up on a call as they can even get a warrant after the fact.
Selling names and phone numbers to telemarketers is wholly different from tracking who is calling whom and when.
The greater concern is that there is absolutely nothing to prevent this and other programs from being used not as anti-terrorist, but as anti-dissent. After all, this administration has already infiltrated meetings of Quakers as a threat to national security. And anyone who speaks out against this Administration is quickly damned as a traitor.
Once you define dissent as treason, it is a short step to lable the dissenters "enemy combatants" and lock them up indefinately without a trial, and another short step to executing them. That is the road we are on.
The road has been traveled many times before.
It is not now, nor ever has been, about stopping terrorist attacks. It is about power over the populace. The fear of terrorist attacks increases the government's power over the governed.
This Administration is using 1984 as a blueprint.
How is it we know of these attacks? Because the Administration has told us about them. We must either trust that the Administration that it is telling us the truth or accept the Administration's proclaimations on blind faith.
The system of checks and balances in our Constitution is premised on the presumption that we cannot implicitly trust people in power. Power must constantly be checked to prevent corruption. This Administration continually bypasses those checks and balances - witness the signing statements whereby the Commander in Chief declares he will follow a law only so far as he feels it does not infringe upon his unlimited wartime powers. This Administration is not worthy of our trust.
That then leaves us with blind faith. If you choose to have blind faith in the Commander in Chief, then nothing will dissuade you. However, you have abbrogated the right to think.
May 13th, 2006 at 12:07 amSeriously, friends, what "war on terror?" It seems to me that about 95 percent of this supposed war is bunk. The real war, which has nothing to do with detering terrorism is raging in Iraq and Afghanistan. In this war, our citizens are dying. In this war, thousands of innocents are being slaughtered.
This is the cost of imperialism. Has no one learned from the historical failures of imperial policy? Shall we continue to revisit those horrors?
Such foolishness. They will be sorry.
N O V E M B E R
May 13th, 2006 at 12:40 amCan you imagine if Fox had been around during Watergate? They would have been screaming that anyone who speaks up against Nixon is a traitor. Can you imagine if Fox had been around when McCarthy was destroying the lives of innocent Americans? Fox would have been screaming anyone who speaks up against McCarthy is a traitor. I just watched the movie, "Good Night and Good Luck." Boy, do we ever need someone in the media like Edward R. Murrow who will stand up against this evil.
May 13th, 2006 at 1:24 amWhat is the glue they are sniffing at Fox anyway? Should these guys be reporting on financial news when they are high?
May 13th, 2006 at 1:25 amOkay Fox dudes. How long do you think it will be until somebody leaks all those 900 numbers that Bill O'Reilly calls?
May 13th, 2006 at 1:38 am# 100 Briseadh na Faire :
..................AMEN.................
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May 13th, 2006 at 1:41 amWhy all the yelling lately at fox? What is the average IQ of a fox employee? I am so confused they are my heroes.... Please enlighten me oh great intellects of the right, you are so ... fair and your approach is so ...balanced. I realize that I am unworthy of citizenship even though I served in the military as did my dad and brother. So explain to me your message of paranoia and the needs of the police state. Educate me on "Honor and Dignity " in the white house. Tell me how to avoid becoming "beleagured" if I am caught lying about WMD. Teach me how to avoid the mistakes of the intelligence community (not ours) and create the perception of scapegoatism in reference to Iraq vis a vis Iran and Learning from OUR mistakes. Since when did the proven lies and immorality of the adminstration become our mistakes? brainwash me on the importance of ideology over the truth. You are my heroes....
May 13th, 2006 at 2:42 amIs it my imagination, or did this gal call GWB a 'puny little traitor'? And on Fox "News", no less!! WOW! ;) And she looks like her 'pubes' are caught in the adhesive strip on her panty liner.
#96-Was there a question? Using a question mark would seem to indicate that one has been asked, but I was only able to discern one actual question in your post. But, in response to what I think you were inquiring about, who cares? Or perhaps you could ask Tom DeLay, or Jack Abramoff? Good luck.
May 13th, 2006 at 3:48 am"President (Bush) breaks the law…ITS THE MEDIA’s Fault!!!!! "
Comment by lib4 —
To lib4
Or President Clinton's.
"Is it my imagination, or did this gal call GWB a ‘puny little traitor’? And on Fox “Newsâ€, no less!! WOW! ;)"
Cyra Brown
To Cyra,
May 13th, 2006 at 7:10 amReading the headline, I thought the same thing, too, at first.
...and Tony Snow hasn't Brief and he said his first Cagel was a "Mess"
Looks like its the First Step in closing down the Question and Answer sessions Live ,It won't be long before the bushgobbels send out their "new" via memo's to the MSM........
#106 I dare say you are asleep at the wheel ..your gonna hit the rock wall and it won't be pretty..
May 13th, 2006 at 7:27 amIt's not about traitors, it's about where do we draw the line for Presidential powers. The money quote for me is the Qwest attorneys asking the Administration to go get a FISA warrant and they wouldn't because they said FISA might not give them one. Madison, Federalist 47 & 51 Read them. Here is a great link for them from Yale Law. Also here is my favorite quote from #47.
May 13th, 2006 at 8:13 am"The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one,, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, selfappointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny."
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/federal/fed.htm
Once you define dissent as treason, it is a short step to lable the dissenters “enemy combatants†and lock them up indefinately without a trial, and another short step to executing them. That is the road we are on.
Right, and the sky is about to fall on my head.
Look, leaking classified military intelligence during wartime is not "dissent." It may or may not be "treason" (see, Arnold, Gen. Benedict) but it sure as heck is a crime! You progolodytes want the right to decide for yourselves what should and shouldn't be classified? You want to excuse criminal behavior? Too bad, that's not your call to make - unless you can find a way to get elected president.
May 13th, 2006 at 8:26 amFOX News is propaganda and crap, but tell that to Sen. Hillary Clinton > she hangs out with Rupert Murdoch the owner of that network! Most senators are clueless nuts who pander to get votes, but really only care about the wealthy!
May 13th, 2006 at 8:29 amThis is not news but to paraphrase Bill Clinton's remark about welfare reform, " democracy in this country as we know it is OVER"!
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May 13th, 2006 at 8:29 amBSR, great point, be careful what you wish for.
May 13th, 2006 at 8:33 amSelling names and phone numbers to telemarketers is wholly different from tracking who is calling whom and when.
You're right - because the latter activity appears to be autrhorized under 18 U.S.C. 2709, a portion of which provides (emphasis mine):
§ 2709. Counterintelligence access to telephone toll and transactional records
(a) Duty to provide.--A wire or electronic communication service provider shall comply with a request for subscriber information and toll billing records information, or electronic communication transactional records in its custody or possession made by the Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation under subsection (b) of this section.
(b) Required certification.--The Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, or his designee in a position not lower than Deputy Assistant Director at Bureau headquarters or a Special Agent in Charge in a Bureau field office designated by the Director, may--
(1) request the name, address, length of service, and local and long distance toll billing records of a person or entity if the Director (or his designee) certifies in writing to the wire or electronic communication service provider to which the request is made that the name, address, length of service, and toll billing records sought are relevant to an authorized investigation to protect against international terrorism or clandestine intelligence activities, provided that such an investigation of a United States person is not conducted solely on the basis of activities protected by the first amendment to the Constitution of the United States
May 13th, 2006 at 8:38 am#84 cc says: They’re just tracking number-to-number patterns. No eavesdropping, no wiretapping.
May 13th, 2006 at 9:01 amThat's what they say - today. What happens tomorrow? What happens when we invade Iran and in order to find any "traitors" they start looking more closely at a daisy-chain of who called who and when? When they want to expand their "search" for whatever security reason they offer, they already have the data base from which to start looking, pulling people in, harrassing their families and acting like the old SS of Hitler's Germany.
They are making this seem innocent and vigilant, but they have already shown us that they will lie under oath, or not take the oath at all. They do not provide straight answers to inquiries into their modus operandi.
This is clearly fascism, folks, and the gradual abuse of government power, all under the guise of national security, is being swallowed by the public. This is truly the figurative wolf in sheep's clothing.
Our leaders have violated the constitution which they swore to uphold. They are the lawbreakers - yet they target the "potential lawbreakers" in the public.
I fear that when the public realizes they have been raped by their elected leaders, it will be too late to reverse the course of history.
Nobody is more of a puny little traitor than George W. Bush.
The FOX network is staffed by Theo-Fascists who in another country at another time would have been brown-shirted Nazi thugs, or Stalinist komsomols, or Maoist Cultural Revolutionaries: they abhor freedom of thought, independence of action, power to the individual over power of the State.
Read Jonathan Turley's piece in the Chicago Tribune for a take on employment in the Bush regime. Only conservatives who have been indicted or convicted need apply!
May 13th, 2006 at 9:48 amShe's crazy!!!
May 13th, 2006 at 9:56 amThis ladies name, back when she was on CNBC and wrote for The Street.com was Brenda Butner.... not Brenda Butler.....
What's up with the name change? Butner to Butler......
May 13th, 2006 at 10:04 amjust when i thought paula zahn and the folks at cnn were heading down the road towards fox station murky muck by attacking the former analyst who questioned rumsfeld's lies, along comes fox to prove that cnn can never fathom the bottom depths that fox regularly dwells in. as one commentator noted, i feel so unclean just reading this opinion; i sure hope no one invests their monies based on such inane reading of the news!
May 13th, 2006 at 10:05 amGawd these people are lunatics, as someone who trades stocks and options for a living, In my opinion the market fell because all the talk on business shows lately was on the market hitting a ne record high any day now, ANYTIME you hear such talk is a good time to sell and take profits or even SHORT the market. There is one issue with regards to the spying program and that is: What does the CIA do with sensitive financial information such as mergers, large buy or sell orders on given stocks or commodities markets....Are there nefarious trading going on to fund covert black ops?-keep in mind Iran-Contra there is some precident for this. Can you imagine having the ability to know stock and commodity movements in advance? the vast amounts of profits to be made? Thats a real threat to the market. One other note a 200 point drop in 2 days really isnt that big a deal its only 2.5% decline or so.
May 13th, 2006 at 10:11 amFox, calling itself "news", is like everything else they say . . . . . false propganda. Judging by the poll numbers these days, Fox's propoganda is failing misesrably. Is their fault Bush's numbers are down, Fox is failing as his propoganda agency.
May 13th, 2006 at 10:20 amBlue State Red,
you highlighted an essential part:
The key portion of the phrase is "authorized investigation." If we accept this as justification for collecting the phone records of everybody in this country, THEN EVERYBODY IN THIS COUNTRY IS THE TARGET OF AN AUTHORIZED INVESTIGATION!
I agree with you on this. I was pointing out the concern that these programs which are being made public are being used against public dissenters, as opposed to merely being anti-terrorist measures.
The question of leaking classified military intelligence (at any time) becomes a moral one. If, for example, the military ran a classified program which rounded up every left-leaning blogger on this board and sent them to a secret prison, should the existance of that program be made public?
If not, then you have just authorized Big Brother. If so, then you agree that someone who violates the law and leaks classified information may indeed be acting on moral grounds.
What is your choice?
May 13th, 2006 at 10:27 amPOST HER E-MAIL!
May 13th, 2006 at 10:28 amDo it! Do it!
This harpy needs a good dose of righteous indignation upside her flat head.
What an ignorant stooge.
I need to go lie down, that gave me a f'ing headache.
Blue State Red,
... But you DID NOT highlight the most important phrase:
"provided that such an investigation of a United States person is not conducted solely on the basis of activities protected by the first amendment to the Constitution of the United States."
Yeah, the fourth Amendment, the one about unlawful searches... Is that what you'd call an inconvenient truth?
Your comments are telling about your true political leanings, herr Red.
May 13th, 2006 at 10:34 amAlright, I see that last post was boardering on the incoherant.
May 13th, 2006 at 10:39 amSaturday mornings, Y'all.
[takes a breath, repeats]
But honestly, a 'newsperson' calling a whistleblower a traitor? On the air? Really?
That is totally unAmerican. Who are these fascists? Are they just ignorant of history and democracy, or are they the vanguard of a new political movement, meant to soften up the electorate? Either way, FOX should be sued out of existance, and the fairness doctrine must be reinstated.
"Hit an all-time high" is their pre-set talking point phrase for "finally reach again the pre-Bush administration market level"
May 13th, 2006 at 10:48 amFox News has become an eternal monument to William Shakespeare,
"...a tale told by an idiot,
May 13th, 2006 at 10:50 amfull of sound and fury,
signifying nothing."
Isn't it amazing how FOX casts the world issues? When the dumb-blonde spouted off a remark about the drop beinsomehwo associated with "national security" all economic arguments went out the window.... not that FOX nor their viewign audience couold ever grasp such complex concepts.
Stupid blond and the rest of FOX, it's the cost of fuel starting to dampening peoples abiliites to purchase things for their economic bag of choices. Higher fuel and energy costs mean less is remaining for purchases of other goods and services. Period.
Why is it FOX's reporters and those who the bring forth as experts seem to be blondes (i the case of women) and the males have only the capacity to read lines from a teleprompter as their main skill set?
It's amazing so many people actually go to this network to watch "news". I suppose if we are collectively fed up with the drivel dripping from these people's mouth, we ought only to look behind them to their producers and network executives who are pumping such tripe into our cable and airways.
Last comment: Will someone in the legitimate press please demand Sen. Hilliary Clinton to come forth and set her record straight as to th ereasons she would curry up to Rupert Murdoch for a fund raiser? It says something very sinister about the woman's character to stoop to such levels. Almost "unpresidential" if you ask me.
May 13th, 2006 at 11:08 amI happened to be watching and saw BB do her rant. She was hysterical and so out of control that it was hard to watch. These WS pundits know nothing but money and the pursuit of same. They have no idea of the real world.
May 13th, 2006 at 11:10 am"How convinient……
never underestimate Fox News’ ability to correlate two unrelated stories..."
Comment by lib4 — May 12, 2006 @ 5:54 pm
True to the form of Bush himself...
May 13th, 2006 at 11:25 amAll I know is FoxNews has great ratings. Democrats must love watching their news. Hopefully they can learn something as well.
May 13th, 2006 at 11:33 amThis is one of the most pathetic things I've seen.
May 13th, 2006 at 11:45 amDear number 133
May 13th, 2006 at 11:52 amWhen you start your comment by admitting that "all I know is Fox News" nobody reads any further. You are exactly the person who will never get it. You are the base. Hope you're comfortable. Keep praying. Unfortunately, I'm told brain cells don't regenerate. Sorry.
“…a tale told by an idiot,
full of sound and fury,
signifying nothing.â€
Lets stipulate that Fox News is designed for monkeys. However funny it may be, they have a huge loyal following of monkeys who vote. And due to the clever manipulation of a few corrupt men, Congressional districts are drawn to favor the monkeys. This year it will not be enough to just vote. We must work to make sure that all thinking people vote also.
May 13th, 2006 at 11:55 amWhat a dog-shit country we live in when the suppression of civil liberties and egregious violations of the Bill of Rights can be celebrated by so many.
May 13th, 2006 at 11:59 amWow, she drank the whole pitcher of kool-aid.
That was just simply frightening.
May 13th, 2006 at 12:02 pmTruly the government’s orifice.
May 13th, 2006 at 12:03 pm"name, address, length of service, and local and long distance toll billing records of a person or entity" - one person or one entitiy - not persons, not plural, not the entire population of the US
May 13th, 2006 at 12:20 pmI just love the expression on her face: the nashed teeth, the threatening tone. Got news for you BB: America is devouring itself whole...and what it's selling, the world is sick of buying.
May 13th, 2006 at 12:32 pmPeter Vander Arend, there is something sinister in YOUR character, as there is in the character of radical leftists. What makes you people any different from the radicals on the right?
May 13th, 2006 at 12:41 pmYou cannot give this corrupt administration any additional power to conduct electronic surveillance. Bush claims it is to track enemy contacts made to cohorts in the US. Intelligence protcols are in place to monitor these calls legally with just cause. The problem with Bush is that the enemy list will include anyone who disagrees with his failed policies and programs. That could incude everyone except the brain-dead 29%. Tomorrow is Mother's day. NSA should be busy as hell.
May 13th, 2006 at 12:51 pmI want to see O Riely's conversations!
May 13th, 2006 at 1:19 pmBravo, Frances! Could not have said it better myself...
May 13th, 2006 at 1:27 pmBrenda Butler makes it obvious that Fox News is not against hiring the handicapped. They are not afraid to encourage the mentally unbalanced to broadcast their mindless puerilities to a nation desperately hungry to take in all things Fair and Balanced.
Bravo Fox on that whole "Hire the Handicapped" thing...
Maybe we should rename the slogan, "Hire the Clearly Deranged". Yeah...that's the ticket...
May 13th, 2006 at 1:47 pmShe was just following corporate policy at Fox... It is pretty apparent what their daily briefings contain, on which way to spin which stories... They have been caught so many times where all the fox pundits all have not only the same opinion, the exact phrases. at the exact same time wil lbe repeated from all of their talking heads in the same day.
This time the objective was to spin, and make the 'top story' that whistle blowers, and reporters that print their story, are leaking classified information, and should tried as traitors to the fatherland.
What I always thought was interesting was the statement that 'we can't let the enemy know how we gather intelligence' well that's true, because we the people are the enemy, and our government does not want to let the 'enemy' know what they are up to.
May 13th, 2006 at 1:47 pmThe 29% of people that like Bush are all the ones on his payroll
May 13th, 2006 at 1:53 pmI was laughing my a** off as I saw the folks on FOX yelling that the DOW was about to hit a new ALL-TIME RECORD HIGH under Bush!
Had Clinton been President they would be saying that the DOW was struggling hard to get back to where it was when he first came into office.
But let's ignore the FOX spin & examine some facts:
When the First Bush was President the country went into a deep recession -- unemployment went over 7%, the stock market went flat, and consumer confidence was low.
Wherever Pres Bush went to speak people yelled out, or held signs saying: "IT'S THE ECONOMY, STUPID!"
I actually believe that if the first Pres. Bush would've come out w/ a strong economic policy for his second term, he would've won. But he offered little. Still, that's another matter.
When Clinton took office the DOW was at 3,310.00 and during his term the DOW rose to 11,722.98 in January of 2000.
This is an increase of over 8,400 points and an increase of over 300%!!!!!
This is a record that no President in the past has come close to & unlikely ever will.
How did the stock market get so confident?
Okay, let's go back. When Clinton became President he set as a major goal -- balancing the budget. (Following in the footsteps of Thomas Jefferson who believed that if our country was to remain great every time we spent a dime we should pass a tax to pay for the expense.)
Clinton "Budget Reconcilation Bill" was rather modest -- a 2% tax increase for the wealthiest Americans, with most in the middle & lower brackets balanced out.
But you would've thought the world was going to end HAD YOU LISTENED TO FOX!!!
It would be so fun to get tapes of FOX's shows during that period.
Some people were predicting that if the Clinton tax increase on the wealthy passed the DOW would drop below 2,000, others perdicted it would go below 1,500.
Some predicted the unemployment level would go to 9%, some predicted it would go over 10%.
(I suppose that's what FOX meant by "balanced" at the time - getting two different views on how bad it would get.)
Republican members of Congress were also predicting doom & not a single Republican voted for the tax bill which Clinton signed.
BUT THE RESULTS WERE JUST THE OPPOSITE OF THE FOX PREDICTIONS!
Unemployment dropped below 4% (to a rate the 2nd Bush can only dream about) and the DOW climbed & climbed & climbed.
And the budget starting toward being balanced for the fist time in decades.
Greenspan attributed all the good news to the idea that the American Public overall likes a balanced budget.
And then BUSH #2 became President.
You also need to go back to an interview with FOX shortly after Bush/Cheney came into office to hear them talk about how strong the economy was. Bush said they were blessed with a good economy that would have Budget Surpluses as far as the eye could see. And Bush & Cheney argued that with all these surpluses it would be irresponsible to continue to pay down the debt -- what they wanted to do was return the tax dollars (particularly to the very wealth, though they didn't say that) because it was "THEIR MONEY!)
The results has been a total disaster. Even if Bush ends his term with the DOW about where it was when it took office that would be the worst stk mkt record since Herbert Hoover in the Great Depression! (The DOW was flat under Nixon too, but not this bad.)
With inflation factored in -- the DOW would have to be about 12,800 now, just for Bush to be considered ahead of the game.
One final comment, when Bush first got his big tax break passed for the super-rich, a huge debate occurred on FOX as to whether the tax cuts would send the DOW over 12,500 or over 15,000. I even recall them commenting that they wondered why any Democrats would vote against the tax cuts -- Where they opposed to the DOW going higher? (Again it would be so fun to listen to the tapes as they market didn't respond positively to more national debt).
Now that the stock market was getting close to where it was when Bush first took office, he signs a bill giving more tax breaks to the wealthiest. And the stock market responds negatively this week. Should anyone really be surprised?
May 13th, 2006 at 1:57 pmThis message is for the Stupid Republicans that post here:
When the Bubble boy keeps a secret it means he is committing a crime. Look at his history.
If Bubble boy had nothing to hide he would have bragged about this crime like he has bragged about others.
Why wont Bubble Boy let the Red Cross visit with detainees in Europe? Because they are being held illegally and are being tortured, thats why.
People with a brain have figured out Bubble boys criminal mind. Just because you Stupid Republcans are too retarded don't blame us. There are schools for the retarded and you are welcome to enroll. Do it now.
May 13th, 2006 at 2:11 pmThe US dollar suffered a severe sell-off on Friday, taking it to its weakest level against a trade-weighted basket of currencies since October 1997, in a tumble that helped to trigger falls across world equity markets.
Worries about US inflation, which have intensified since the US
Federal Reserve's rate-setting open market committee met on Wednesday, sparked further sharp losses for US stock markets. The Nasdaq Composite fell a further 1.3 per cent after a 2 per cent fall on Thursday, while the Russell 2000 index of smaller companies was down more than 5 per cent for the week.
US government bonds also suffered, bringing the yield on the benchmark 10-year bond to its highest level in four years.
The dollar has lost 7 per cent against the euro, yen and sterling since the start of April - a slide that will in turn intensify worries about inflation in the economy. Traders are concerned about the role a weaker dollar will have in correcting the US current account deficit, which is now about 7 per cent of
May 13th, 2006 at 2:21 pmGDP.
A bit off topic . . . .the clearest threat to my freedom does not sit in a "cave" in Pakistan. It sits in the White House. Osama can't institute tyrrany here, only our own gorvernment can.
May 13th, 2006 at 2:22 pm#144 - "I want to see O Riely’s conversations!" - Comment by Cadavre
****You poor dear - is your life REALLY THAT boring?????
Here's the radical-left's mantra - "The sky is falling - the sky is falliing!!!" Ohhhh...that's right, we actually have NOT been attacked in 5 1/2 YEARS."
May 13th, 2006 at 2:32 pmThe sad-sack left doesn't realize that this too shall pass - in the same way that habeus corpus was restored after the Civil War. Unfortunately, we are fighting an enemy unlike any other - but I presumed you knew that. Obviously, many of you aren't up to speed. We'll give you remedial types extra time to catch up.
I think any real investor doesn't pay attention to the tripe that Fox calls news. As a matter of fact I would bet real money that any investor worth their salt watchs CNBC and Bloomberg for financial news and not the Faux news channel.
May 13th, 2006 at 2:34 pmFox New is nothing but a propaganda network for Republicans. They twist the news to try to favor Republicans and in most cases they flat out lie. I've never seen a media outlet that was so biased in it's coverage of the news. I don't mind them being biased but, I've seen them lie so many times it makes me sick.
May 13th, 2006 at 2:36 pmmighty aphrodite- excuse me....Bite it....your "intellect" and your "patriotism" are both not up to the task.......ridiculous are the posts of mighty aphrodite
May 13th, 2006 at 3:17 pmI used to be in the service, and they used to have urinalysis testing on a semi-regular basis to find out if servicemembers were using drugs. Do they make the guys n gals that 'administrate' all these goof-ball programs undergo regular drug testing, or are they exempt? LOLOLOL They should 'pee' all of em, 'cause somebody up there's higher than jesus on STILTS! Country's headed for 10 trillion in red ink, by Congressional decree, where would YOU invest your money, in a country coming up OUT of debt, or one going deeper? This isn't about protecting the country anymore, this is about being able to ADD, and come up with the same number twice in a row.
May 13th, 2006 at 3:21 pm#10 "Dictatorship is bad for the economy."
There it is.
May 13th, 2006 at 3:36 pmHere’s the radical-left’s mantra - “The sky is falling - the sky is falliing!!!†Ohhhh…that’s right, we actually have NOT been attacked in 5 1/2 YEARS.â€
The sad-sack left doesn’t realize that this too shall pass - in the same way that habeus corpus was restored after the Civil War. Unfortunately, we are fighting an enemy unlike any other - but I presumed you knew that. Obviously, many of you aren’t up to speed. We’ll give you remedial types extra time to catch up.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — May 13, 2006 @ 2:32 pm
Actually if you read MA, it's the BUSH types pushing the sky is falling Rhetoric, such as your ANNE COULTER types over at worldnetdaily.com
Go on MA, you know your a Silzdat Liar, A commie Zionist Edomite [False Jew so this IS NOT ANTI_SEMITE]
You lie and flip flop more than all politicians combined.
You see that once AGAIN the BUSH Faux nutwork has lied, you are just an Apoligist for the Great "Divider"
Its funny to watch your Despair though MA, your starting to sound quite unhinged, Maybe you should stop reading that crap over at Worldnetdaily.com [World Nuts Daily] and listen to the Rational People here.
There isn't much that I don't know MA, Yes the Reagn Shining City on the Hill crap. Its Sociopathic Paranoia. Day 0 wacko speak. Now Calm down MA, the sky is not falling.
Bush however, the 'GREAT DECIDER' is. And thats whats got you all flustered. LOL
Keep posting though you are quite Amusing. =)
May 13th, 2006 at 3:56 pmIt's about time we startet blowing stuff up.
May 13th, 2006 at 4:06 pmBrenda Butler would do a good job torturing innocent "insurgents" at Abu Ghraib. Doubtless she will be promoted for her "patriotism" .
May 13th, 2006 at 4:14 pmah, i see the mighty hermaphrodite is also channeling goebbels! well, she certainly is some 'good' company...maybe bush can name him/her to rove's post when he is indicted...
no who is under the delusion 'the sky is falling' again? is not the religious radical extremists in the white house?
shoo! off to norway for you!
May 13th, 2006 at 4:21 pmah, i see the mighty hermaphrodite is also channeling goebbels! well, she certainly is some 'good' company...maybe bush can name him/her to rove's post when he is indicted...
no who is under the delusion 'the sky is falling' again? is it not the religious radical extremists in the white house?
shoo! off to norway for you!
May 13th, 2006 at 4:21 pmoops...my apologies. if the tp gods are reading... i tried to fix the typos and hit it twice...the newer posts still has typos--time for coffee
May 13th, 2006 at 4:45 pmThe need for revolution grows stronger every day.
Imagine the impact we'd have on history if we finally stood up to these despots and took our country back.
POWER TO THE PEOPLE.
May 13th, 2006 at 5:01 pmNice TRY, James (I applaud your effort!!) But why do you think we have NOT been attacked since 9/11.
May 13th, 2006 at 5:03 pm'Here’s the radical-left’s mantra - “The sky is falling - the sky is falliing!!!†Ohhhh…that’s right, we actually have NOT been attacked in 5 1/2 YEARS'
Comment by mighty aphrodite — May 13, 2006 @ 2:32 pm
Mighty Hypocrite,,,, the sky did fall... right on your big ugly head! thats why a coherent thought has not come from the ugly noggin since i started posting here!
May 13th, 2006 at 5:04 pmand what do you mean 'we are fighting'. you are sitting on your fat ass!!
we actually have NOT been attacked in 5 1/2 YEARS.â€
It all depends on what you mean by "we."
If you're an American in uniform in Iraq--which I somehow doubt---you run the risk of getting your ass blown up every day.
Of course, El Qaeda and other groups aren't bothering to come over here and kill us--meaning un-uniformed Americans on this side of the ocean. Why should they kill us over here when they can kill us--I include the American military as "us"-- over there? Thanks to Le Chimpereur, the terrorist goons have all the American targets their nasty little hearts desire.
May 13th, 2006 at 5:05 pmIf all this mining of data is lawful how come the government is interceding on behalf of the phone companies in the lawsuits?
This show conciousness of guilt dont you think?
May 13th, 2006 at 5:08 pmMIGHTY HYPOCRITE.... we havent been attacked since because Al Qaeda can take their shots at our boys in Iraq. Goober has amalgamized them and given them plenty of martyrs to join in the bombing. why come here when they can take out
May 13th, 2006 at 5:10 pmamericans with a toss of a bomb. or abduct them on the streets. what a ditz you are!
the sky is falling on our boys as we speak and its Goobers fault!!
Oh, come on, lighten up.
The pond scum who run and appear on Fox News just got their calendars mixed up and put on a little April Fool self parody about 6 weeks late. Be glad they are on Fox and broadcasting to mostly retarded souls who take their commentary seriously.
May 13th, 2006 at 5:16 pmMIGHTY HYPOCRITE..... question for you??? why wasnt the FBI agent who blew the whistle on ATTA and his flying lessons listened too?
May 13th, 2006 at 5:17 pmI'm sure many of you have seen this before, but for those who have not,
If Fox News Had Been Around Throughout History
May 13th, 2006 at 5:23 pm
What a dipshit.
May 13th, 2006 at 5:23 pmthe attack on america by the bush administration is greatly more significant than the crimes of 9.11.
this country is now no better than a rogue state, hated by the world. america is now a lawless country that can no longer be trusted. the attack by the bush administration on the american people, as seen in katrina, in extending tax cuts to the rich, in failing to do anything about global warming...
if you think that a few thousand people murdered on 9.11 is worse than 2600 dead soldiers, 150, 000 dead iraqi civilians, thousands of tortured civilians, restricting the civil rights of all americans, and dozens of other atrocities, then you mighty hermaphrodite, and your guilty co-conspirators, aren't very 'american' since you support a group of war-criminals that have done irrepairable harm to america.
have a nice day
May 13th, 2006 at 5:28 pmFRANKLIN... unfortuantely those 'retarded souls' were kidnapped and forced to vote for Goober. it's a little simplistic to think that the disinformation coming out of Faux News is harmless because idiots watch. Idiots believe what they are fed and then go out and cast a vote.
May 13th, 2006 at 5:28 pmSorry here's the link,
If Fox News Had Been Around Throughout History
May 13th, 2006 at 5:31 pmOh, I thought she was talking about Bush...
May 13th, 2006 at 5:41 pmOhhhh…that’s right, we actually have NOT been attacked in 5 1/2 YEARS.â€
........ Obviously, many of you aren’t up to speed. We’ll give you remedial types extra time to catch up.
Comment by mighty aphrodite
Mighty Hypocrite,
May 13th, 2006 at 5:44 pm9/11 happened in 2001; that's 4 1/2 years ago--not 5 1/2. Maybe you need a remedial arithmetic lesson.
Ps. I'm still waiting to hear what your "reliable" sources for Mary Jo Kopechne's death and supposed autopsy are, since you insisted the quote from Wikipedia was wrong.
bullshir red and might tripey:
the sky IS falling. on you, backwash.
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how skillful you are to be able to type with rove's cock in your mouth, tripey.
May 13th, 2006 at 6:29 pm29%
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On September 10th, 2001 the Dow Jones Industrial Average closed @:
9,605
Yesterday it closed @:
11,380
here, you do the math:
11,380
- 9,605
--------
= 1,775
1,775 divided by 4.6666 (four years, 8 months) equals
380
Which means, the average gain the DJIA has seen since September 11th, 2001 has been around 3% a year.
Remember the massive plunge the Dow took after September 11th?
That came from all the "patriots" on Wall Street that sold America short to make a quick buck.
Don't look now, but those French are having a laugh at us because our dollar is only werth 2/3's of what their Euros are.
"Freedom" fries anyone?
ha ha!
nwa
May 13th, 2006 at 6:30 pm...and falling, backwash.
May 13th, 2006 at 6:30 pmIf this is winning, what would losing look like? Our freedoms are being demolished.
No patriot sacrifices safety for freedom.
Are you willing to have your phones tapped to stay alive? Are you willing to give up a little freedom to protect your family and their safety? I respect your decision to do so, but don't ever think for a second that you are a patriot, or that you stand for the same things the founders of this country stood for.
The revolution didn't happen because Brits were killing us. It happened because we weren't free.
George Washington must be turning over in his grave thanks to all these false-patriots in our society who prefer life and happiness to freedom. If you would rather be safe and happy than free, get out of our country... move to cuba. Get out of here you traitors!
May 13th, 2006 at 6:31 pmBSr & MA, leaking classified military intellegence during war time IS treason and IS a crime. The problem is the personal phone records of tens of millions of innocent Americans is NOT classified military intellegence. The U.S. government has no right to spy on U.S. citizens unless they are suspected of criminal activity. I haven't seen any evidence that the tens of millions of citizens whose phone records are being collected are suspected criminals. The U.S. is a government OF the PEOPLE, BY the PEOPLE and FOR the PEOPLE - not for corporations. The President represents the people and answers to the people, not the other way around - somewhere along the line this concept has been forgotten. The act of treason is on the part of the Bush administration - he is spying on the people and the people are America. Therefore HE is spying on America and HE is the traitor and so are those that support his traitorous activities.
The real crime is the war in Iraq, which isn't a war but a crime. Therefore the "wartime intellegence" being collected is not "wartime intellegence" and reporting that the outlaw government is collecting this data is not treason, it is the duty and obligation of the FREE press. The war crime in Iraq is about the Bush administration stealing Iraq's oil and giving it to American oil companies - at a great expense to human life - it's not about democratic regime change and it's not about terrorism, it's about installing a puppet regime that will allow U.S. corporations to rape the Iraqi national wealth. If you do a little research you'll find that the soon to be new Iraqi constitution gives U.S. corporations exclusive rights to Iraqi oil. Not even Iraqis will have any say on what is done with THEIR oil. The war crime in Iraq is an imperialist endeavor on the part of American oil companies carried out in proxy by the Bush administration. Only an idiot would believe it's about terrorism and not about oil - or, more accurately, money.
If we'd have taken the trillions of dollars spent waging oil wars the past twenty years and instead had spent it on fuel alternatives, modern mass transit, and synthetic oils, we would not have the war crime in Iraq today. We wouldn't have hundreds of thousands of innocent people throughout the world with nothing to look forward to but poverty and the mourning of their loved ones lost directly or indirectly as a result of U.S. foreign policy (aka imperialism). Anyone with a brain could figure that out. So why haven't we found an alternative to oil, because the office of the President now answers to corporate CEOs instead of the people and the CEOs don't want us to find alternatives to oil because they make too much money off of it.
Now Bush plans on doing the same to Iran, and is even considering nuclear weapons - I suppose you support this also? Anyone who supports this insanity is either blind and deaf, evil, or lacking even a shread of intellegence. We know Bush isn't stupid (well, maybe that's stretching it), we know he's not blind and deaf, that leaves only one option. Which are you? The people of the world used to look to the U.S. as a symbol of truth, justice, and freedom. Now, thanks to the money worshiping right, the people of the world look at the U.S. as a symbol of lies, injustice, and the freedom to rob others of wealth at any cost, no matter how wrong or immoral the means.
The saddest part of this is that I'm afraid to post this message. What if the "military intellegence" is watching my internet activity and finds I posted this message? Will I be surveiled, will I be arrested in the middle of the night and taken away to be tortured in some secret prison for "terrorist activity"? What will happen to my children? Based on the history of the Bush administration, it's a legitimate fear - an American being afraid to voice his opinion, hell, maybe it's even a crime now? Is this even America anymore?
However, there is an upside: Imagine the look on the faces of Bush and his supporters when they're trying to get through gates of heaven find that God doesn't take bribes.
May 13th, 2006 at 6:41 pmTo Laura and her ilk who characterized my thoughts as "sinister", there is nothing sinister about decrying situations where people who are at the margin have to make choices fuel vs. food, clothing, medical care. The folks at FOX will never be able to grasp the truly BIG Picture - unless all parties in our society gain economically, there will be no real long term sustainable growth to the economy. When the overall econmy truly grows, all parties gain, including those at the top 1-2% of the tier.
What FOX refused to acknowledge was a ruinous foriegn policy, i.e. initiation of a war of choice by invading Iraq, was a key component of the escalation of rising oil prices and the complex argument here (unable to be cogently presented by dumb blondes or the likes of the ditto heads who call themselves "news" anchors) is that rising energy costs will have an impact on our economy. Since the stock market is the present expression of future expectations of a diverse market, the collective wisdom is that their may well be a dampening effect on the future growth. There is no linkage here between the NSA wiretapping of millions of American telephone records.
Resource-hungry nations such as China are out making deals with the world market for petroleum resources in places like Nigeria, Venezuela, Sudan, Iran, and SE Asia, through trade negotiations (as opposed to attempted takeovers of nations). The US is getting squeezed out although our demand continues to stay high and the only way one gets the resources is to pay "market" prices. If you are from the fraternity of big oil companies and you have a very friendly audience residing in the White House of former oil executives or well-connected individuals, there is frankly little incentive to seek out alternative energy sources. Again, FOX missed another key point to be made: The Bush-Cheney Administration has NO vision when it comes to achievement of energy independence. Why should they? They are too busy rewarding their cronies and biggest contributors for the short term gains all the while allowing the long-term well being of our nation to slide down the cracks into the sewer.
One theory was cited for the invasion of Iraq - and this was mimicked in differnet forms by the likes of Wolfowitz, Cheney, Rice, and some of the Deputy Secretaries in 2003 - was that the invasion would easily pay for itself through oil revenues, meaning the US would sew up all the reserves and direct them to the US through one-way contracts with the new Iraqi government. It all sounded so easy and it was sold as almost fool-proof. Of course, the Iraqi people don't feel they are getting any benefits from this whatsoever, hence look for continued sabotage onthe producing resources. Oil production is at the same levels (or lower) than when Sadaam was in power - three years after the invasion!!!
The previously perceived invincible domination by the United States military has been dashed asunder; mind you not the military but by the civilian politicos who issued orders to the military regarding the invasion of Iraq. Our enemies now have seen how stretched we are by trying to maintain a force in Iraq. These enemies (current and future) are willing to allow our nation to bleed itself financially, equipment-wise, and with loss of life. Another massive blunder played by the Bush-Cheney-NeoCon team: the USA is no longer percieved as the BIG Dog on the street and this allows other nation states such as Iran, Venezuela, and others the allocate their pertoleum resources to whoever ponies up for the highest price.
As for the stock market slide, consumer spending funds about 67% of the total economy. If that total is adversely affected by rising energy prices, or by rising interest rates, there will be decreased spending, which will translate into drops in the market. Bush-Cheney lovers, guess what: the stupidity of this administration has now double whacked you and your portfolios. Of course if you are in that select top 1% those new tax cuts will cushion your fall.
May 13th, 2006 at 6:46 pm"BSr & MA, leaking classified military intellegence during war time IS treason and IS a crime."
Agreed, but it did take a true patriot to leak that information.
There are crimes greater than violating the law. The law is written for idiots who don't know right from wrong, or who don't have the character to select right from wrong, so that they can be punished.
The greatest crime I can think of, however, is supporting any act by any person or group that attempts to take away even the smallest amount of freedom from any group (in this case, the citizens of the United States).
I'd rather be friends with a person who has broken a single law than a person like you who violates the entire premise upon which this country has been founded.
YOU SIR ARE A COMMUNIST IN SELF-RIGHTEOUS CLOTHING!
The phrase Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death is more than a clever statement on a license plate.
May 13th, 2006 at 6:51 pmExcuse me Snott but I don't think you read my post!
May 13th, 2006 at 6:54 pmDUH! CAN THOSE HACKS ON FOX SPELL I-N-S-I-D-E-R T-R-A-D-I-N-G?
May 13th, 2006 at 7:08 pmTHE PHONE DATA CAN ALSO BE USED TO BLACKMAIL POLITICIANS.
She sounds like she is on crack!
May 13th, 2006 at 7:21 pmThe rabid, radical, Repugnant reactonaries always want to talk about how no one has attacked America since 9/11. They conveniently wish to overlook, obviously, the unpleasant fact that while they and their Maximum Leader fell asleep on watch, a handful of unarmed Saudi Arabians quite successfully and spectacularly attacked America on 9/11. Since that date, America hasn't suffered any asteroid strikes, either. So what?
In fact, though, since Deputy Dubya and Sheriff Cheney kindly sent thousands of Americans to start and keep dying in the Middle East four years ago, why would any self-respecting America-attacker want to kill Americans the hard way in America when they can kill Americans so much more conveniently in Iraq and Afghanistan? George Armstrong Custer Bush sure does have his Little Big Horn "fly paper" strategy workin' alright. Thanks to Deputy Dumbass Dubya, almost as many Americans have died in Iraq since 9/11 as died on that date. So Bush has like, what: almost doubled the number of dead Americans since 9/11? What an enviable record of incomprehensible incompetence.
This analysis becomes inoperative, of course, if one refuses to consider American soldiers "Americans."
I agree that America has some traitors and betrayers: starting at the very top of the greasy pole.
May 13th, 2006 at 7:28 pmUh didn't the stocks fall because the 5th Fleet set sail for the territorial pissings in IRAN?
May 13th, 2006 at 7:46 pmHoly shit. The only prerequisite for Fox News appears to be that one must simply be completely insane.
May 13th, 2006 at 8:05 pmSimply preposterous. These "visionarys" make me sick. It is quite easy to recognize macro-economic influence on these exchanges. The continued dollar de-basement from the feds interest rate increases, dubya's deplorable $800 bill. current account and frightening budget deficit, and commodities such as gold, silver, and oil futures over speculation were the drivers that contributed to this correction.
Is the dollar on the decline, you bet. We are on the verge of hyper-inflation. If these talking head propagandists can't tell the difference, well then they deserve Fox, and vice-versa.
Perhaps they themsleves have somthing to hide, if they are tied in with high roller speculation, and super hedge funds who created and burst the dot.com bubble debacle. They are doing the same thing with real estate, and energy stocks.
May 13th, 2006 at 8:16 pmThis is so sad. We are heasded for tyranny and disaster as a nation. Why can't people see it?
May 13th, 2006 at 8:21 pmOsama said that he would win by taking all
of our freedoms away from us.
I think he might be winning!
May 13th, 2006 at 9:43 pmThis Brenda Butler sounds like an overgrown Barbie Doll. How dare she say "Wall St knows we are winning this war on terror" What an absolute "jerkoff"
May 13th, 2006 at 10:28 pmWall St and it's cronies ARE the terrorists and they're ALWAYS at war because war is great for business.
The so-called "terrorists" the media always mention, are none other than the secret Catholic Army of volunteers (JESUITS)worldwide, who drop everything they are doing on receiving a password or key-phrase which triggers the pre-suggestion placed there earlier, only to perform one of their dastardly deeds, which are then fobbed off in the media as "terrorist attacks" or "suicide bombings".
Can anyone spell NATIONAL DEBT>
May 14th, 2006 at 6:50 amSomeone should stick a hand grenade in that vile mouth of hers.
May 14th, 2006 at 9:02 amSickening. About Foxnews anchorwomen. There's a great book called "America Deceived" by E.A. Blayre III that features a demented CIA character who dreams of FoxAnchorwomen and animals. They got it pulled from Amazon and B&N. It's on Google Books for the stuff about E.D Hill. Fu*k Foxnews
May 14th, 2006 at 10:51 amHere's a link:
http://www.iuniverse.com/bookstore/book_detail.asp?&isbn=0-595-38523-0
Don't give Qwest too many Kudos yet - the lawyer who stood up to the administration in 2001 is no longer with the company. I wonder what Qwest's current position is?
May 14th, 2006 at 11:27 amMay 14th, 2006 at 1:39 pm
If you're using Fox for stock tips, you might as well just hand your money over to me for all the difference it would make.
May 14th, 2006 at 1:41 pmTo meg_mac post 176
Of course you are absolutely right. I was making an attempt, apparently somewhat lame, at injecting humor into the toxic waste belched forth constantly by Fox and all too often by the other msm apologists. Back in the late Paleozoic, someone opined that "Laughter is the best medicine." Some of us who care about the downward spiral into which W has propelled us occasionally need a laugh to help fight off the tears.
Franklin
May 14th, 2006 at 5:09 pmSANTO: # 1] You're insane.
May 14th, 2006 at 5:23 pm# 2] No I don't know what you're ranting about.
# 3] Have they kicked you off Raw Story allready?
# 4] Keep my name out of your rants.
# 5] What size straight jacket do you wear?
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