NSA Whistleblower To Expose More Unlawful Activity: ‘People…Are Going To Be Shocked’
NSA Whistleblower To Expose More Unlawful Activity: ‘People…Are Going To Be Shocked’
CongressDaily reports that former NSA staffer Russell Tice will inform the Senate Armed Services Committee next week that not only do employees at the agency believe the activities they are being asked to perform are unlawful, but that what has been disclosed so far is only the tip of the iceberg. Tice will tell Congress that former NSA head Gen. Michael Hayden, Bush’s nominee to be the next CIA director, oversaw more illegal activity that has yet to be disclosed:
A former intelligence officer for the National Security Agency said Thursday he plans to tell Senate staffers next week that unlawful activity occurred at the agency under the supervision of Gen. Michael Hayden beyond what has been publicly reported, while hinting that it might have involved the illegal use of space-based satellites and systems to spy on U.S. citizens. …
[Tice] said he plans to tell the committee staffers the NSA conducted illegal and unconstitutional surveillance of U.S. citizens while he was there with the knowledge of Hayden. … “I think the people I talk to next week are going to be shocked when I tell them what I have to tell them. It’s pretty hard to believe,” Tice said. “I hope that they’ll clean up the abuses and have some oversight into these programs, which doesn’t exist right now.” …
Tice said his information is different from the Terrorist Surveillance Program that Bush acknowledged in December and from news accounts this week that the NSA has been secretly collecting phone call records of millions of Americans. “It’s an angle that you haven’t heard about yet,” he said. … He would not discuss with a reporter the details of his allegations, saying doing so would compromise classified information and put him at risk of going to jail. He said he “will not confirm or deny” if his allegations involve the illegal use of space systems and satellites.
Tice has a history for blowing the whistle on serious misconduct. He was one of the sources that revealed the administration’s warrantless domestic spying program to the New York Times.
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I wonder how the right will frame the smear campaign on this one? Perhaps tice is selling a book?
May 12th, 2006 at 4:15 pmBetter lookout Russell, you’re gonna have Pat Buchanan and Bill Bennett calling you treasonous.
May 12th, 2006 at 4:16 pmOhhhhh….I cant wait….bring it Tice!!!
how and when is Fox News going to discredit this guy over the weekend……
Could the information be a coordinated effort to record ……..
Internet activities????
healthcare information???
credit card information???
with this admin you never know………
May 12th, 2006 at 4:18 pmI never believed one administration could destroy the United States of America. I figured that our society was strong enough to thrive regardless who the President happens to be. I was wrong. Are we witnessing the end of American Democracy? Is it time to storm the Bastille yet?
May 12th, 2006 at 4:18 pmHAHHAHA HOHOHO LOL!!! These bastard’s goose is COOKED!
What next? If Chimpy gets too scared, we’re all in trouble. Remember the “cornered animal?” Possibilities/Probabilities include 1) Let’s Nuke Iran While We Can, 2) 911 Part Deux. Which will it be?
May 12th, 2006 at 4:19 pmThey won’t offer protection for true Patriots, just their own ciriminals. They want to scared the hell out others that know what is going on and prevent them from revealing what they know.
May 12th, 2006 at 4:20 pmOh! They haven’t been just datamining our #’s called, but they’ve been recording all our conversations? God, mine would put them to sleep.
I’m dreaming of an IMPEACHMENT Christmas……
May 12th, 2006 at 4:23 pmJust like the one I want right now.
The Bush camp is nuts. I was outraged at America this morning when I read that the Post poll had 63% approving of giving him the right to go through our personal (albeit) digital lives.
Time and time again it is bigger and worse than you thought with Bush and this one, please God, could be the tipping point. But only if more people get past the “be very afraid” mantra Bush recites every time he wants to shit on our democratic traditions.
You think I’m kidding? Would you believe these nutjobs are even checking sewers for traces of drugs!!! See for yourself: Stand Up for Liberty: Piss in Your Yard.
We the caring need to step it up for the assholes that won’t–call you congressional delegation and phone company (that way Dubya will hear it too).
May 12th, 2006 at 4:23 pmThree cheers to his good health! Tinfoilhatbuddy says I hope you stay alive to testify.
May 12th, 2006 at 4:24 pm#1Krazny, the right will frame it just as the NSA did in January — Tice is “unstable.”
May 12th, 2006 at 4:24 pmUnsubstantiated, but claimed nonetheless.
When they have no defense, they attack the messenger, his credibility, his integrity, his mental state, his sexual history, etc.
Is this thread repeated?
May 12th, 2006 at 4:26 pmuntil he testifies I just hope he’s now protected in a safe undisclosed location.
May 12th, 2006 at 4:26 pmI hope he makes until next week.
May 12th, 2006 at 4:27 pmpoor w, he’s getting a real lesson in what happens when you are a stupid, smug, lying dumbass piece of shit. i don’t think w should worry about his legacy any more. people now know him for ever more for what he is: the biggest loser in American history.
May 12th, 2006 at 4:27 pmThere is some craziness going on with this post which we are fixing now.
May 12th, 2006 at 4:28 pmAnd the problem does not appear to be a fault of the NSA’s… or at least that we know of
May 12th, 2006 at 4:35 pmYes Judd it was pretty weird.Must be the NSA guys trying to discourage everyone from following the tread to the Oval Office……
I hope he is in hiding with guards around him 24-7 its getting very weird in this country.
May 12th, 2006 at 4:37 pmLet’s see, revoked his clearance because of psychological problems…hmm… sounds more like the KGB to me.
May 12th, 2006 at 4:38 pmThis administration is more secretive and paranoid than Nixon’s. They are spying on Americans not to protect us from terrorists, but to protect themselves from being caught red handed and thrown out of power.
May 12th, 2006 at 4:39 pm#4–oh, it MUST be credit card data. I know this first hand. Leaving Las Vegas, having extensively used my credit card, I was told at the airport that the airlines had suddenly determined me to be a “special interest”. I had to undergo thorough and numerous checks, pat-downs, dig-thrus, questions, etc. All based on the use of my credit card.
They’re definetly mining credit card transactions and usage. Absolutely.
May 12th, 2006 at 4:43 pmBRING IT ON! Too bad it won’t be on TV because when ole Russ gets the spotlight and spun up it is very entertaining. He kind of reminds me of Bill Burkett of CBS 60 minutes fame. Before you hitch your star to Tice you might want to read some of his um writings and claims.
May 12th, 2006 at 4:43 pmHardy Haberman you are on top of it all.I believe your right… When was the last time and entire adminstration went to prison for Fraud,Obstructing Justice and a lot more crimes?
May 12th, 2006 at 4:44 pmHe will disappear soon, I imagine.
Again I ask:
Are we fighting Eurasia or Eastasia?
May 12th, 2006 at 4:50 pmI can tell you how they will smear Tice. They will say he is psychologically disturbed.
May 12th, 2006 at 4:54 pm#24 You just can’t smear everybody; it starts looking pretty weak. Don’t you have anything else?
May 12th, 2006 at 4:56 pmI heard Cheney invited him to go hunting this weekend
May 12th, 2006 at 4:56 pmR.T. Day might be even better than Fitzmas.
May 12th, 2006 at 4:59 pm#26 will hopefully be wrong, but funny how accidents happen, people are declared “enemy combatants” or family can be threatened. Since the government is above the law, anything is possible, Right?
May 12th, 2006 at 5:01 pmIs this guy dumv, telegraphing that he’s going to go public? He just painted a big red target on his chest! Or (hoping I don’t sound like a conspiracy nut) this could be a set up, a bone tossed to critics.
May 12th, 2006 at 5:01 pmkindness, mind if I share your dream?
May 12th, 2006 at 5:02 pmJudd,thank you for Think Progress, you and all the posters give us all hope with a bite.
Tice likely voted for Gore… he therefore has no credibility when criticizing this adminsitration… right?
May 12th, 2006 at 5:03 pmI sure hope that Russell Tice has bodyguards and protection to ensure that he actually gets to testify before the committee.
May 12th, 2006 at 5:03 pmOne can only imagine what kind of technology they have. But all you need to do is download Google Earth to see what can be done at just the “consumer” level. I saw my car in the driveway when I put in my coordinates! They can get much closer, rest assured. This is not the stuff of sci-fi. It’s real and it happens every day.
May 12th, 2006 at 5:03 pm[...] This link will take you to ThinkProgress where the story is posted. http://thinkprogress.org/2006/05/12/more-unlawful-activity/ [...]
May 12th, 2006 at 5:03 pmregarding credit card info, I remember an author on the daily show a couple of months ago talking about the information network based on everyones cc data and other personal info http://www.comedycentral.com/shows/the_daily_show/authors/index.jhtml?startNum=6
i think russell is leaning more towards the dna database, or a connection of friends, contacts, enemies for everyone in the us…cc info, book chekcouts, purchases, credit scores, public school grades, even online activity if your name is associated with the ip is already out there
May 12th, 2006 at 5:04 pmi hope reynolds wrap is gonna start selling hats, because after my last post – i think i even need one – what is going on!!!
May 12th, 2006 at 5:07 pmi hope mr tice is in a safe and secure location until he testifies. and after — especially after.
it wouldn’t be the first time someone who had the goods on the bushies met an unfortunate fate.
May 12th, 2006 at 5:09 pm[...] said former NSA officer Russell Tice to CongressDaily. Tice will testify to the Senate Armed Services Cmte next week that the warrantless NSA programs unveiled by the New York Times and USA Today are only the tip of the iceberg and has hinted that NSA activity “might have involved the illegal use of space-based satellites and systems to spy on U.S. citizens.” [...]
May 12th, 2006 at 5:09 pmYeah, make sure Tice makes it there without being kidnapped….
May 12th, 2006 at 5:10 pmre 32# maybe “telegraphing” is a form of life insurance…if anything happens to him now…?
May 12th, 2006 at 5:10 pmre 32# maybe “telegraphing” is a form of life insurance…if anything happens to him now…?
May 12th, 2006 at 5:10 pm#24 an example of a smear is the attempt by The weekly standard to discredit Ray Mcgovern and build up poor Rumsfeld. This was selective portrayal of a career cia man as leftist scum without any critique of what he said vis a vis Rumsfeld. My whole family with the exception of MOM served in the military.
May 12th, 2006 at 5:10 pmHope he doesn’t pull a “Clifford Baxter”.
May 12th, 2006 at 5:10 pmRussell Tice should seriously consider a bunker at Iron Mountain. If W nukes upstate NY, with bunker busters, would that be grounds for impeachment? Would the Congress dare to act if he did? Would Cheney cast the deciding “nay” vote in the Senate during the trial?
May 12th, 2006 at 5:13 pm[...] Once again, Think Progress has the scoop: Think Progress NSA Whistleblower To Expose More Unlawful Activity: ‘People…Are Going To Be Shocked’ CongressDaily reports that former NSA staffer Russell Tice will testify to the Senate Armed Services Committee next week that not only do employees at the agency believe the activities they are being asked to perform are unlawful, but that what has been disclosed so far is only the tip of the iceberg. Tice will tell Congress that former NSA head Gen. Michael Hayden, Bush’s nominee to be the next CIA director, oversaw more illegal activity that has yet to be disclosed: A former intelligence officer for the National Security Agency said Thursday he plans to tell Senate staffers next week that unlawful activity occurred at the agency under the supervision of Gen. Michael Hayden beyond what has been publicly reported, while hinting that it might have involved the illegal use of space-based satellites and systems to spy on U.S. citizens. … [Tice] said he plans to tell the committee staffers the NSA conducted illegal and unconstitutional surveillance of U.S. citizens while he was there with the knowledge of Hayden. … “I think the people I talk to next week are going to be shocked when I tell them what I have to tell them. It’s pretty hard to believe,” Tice said. “I hope that they’ll clean up the abuses and have some oversight into these programs, which doesn’t exist right now.” [...]
May 12th, 2006 at 5:13 pmI read James Banford’s book about the NSA “A Body of Secrets” and the thing that got me was just how many Ph.Ds in math and science they have working there.
Brilliant people and they are NOT morally clueless. Believe it or not, they KNOW the law and they know when some stuff goes beyond the law. One of the tricks at the upper levels is to try and FOOL THEM. “This guy is a bad guy. Track him.” But if they look at it it appears he has NOTHING to do with Terrorism. Then they have an ethical problem. Do they just focus on the work, (the de-encryption, the optics in the sats, the algorithms used to store data, translate speech and track info) or do they say, “Damn it, this IS NOT what I signed up for.
It may seem strange to be defending the NSA employees here, but lots of them are just like us. Only smarter. What if they reflected the polling data on Bush? That means that only 31 percent approve. Do you really think that they are ALL in Bush’s camp? Statistically that would be just WAY off.
But just like the press, they might feel their lives and jobs are at risk if they don’t play ball. And if there is no good oversight they might not know who to go to.
The leadership of these organization have been known to spend a lot of time schmoozing with the powers that be to get MONEY. And one of the ways that the get the money is to say “We will deliver what you want.” So Hayden might be liked because he brings home the bacon, but that doesn’t mean that they are really happy with what they are directed to do with their power.
Oversight is ESPECIALLY important in groups like this that have huge abilities to gather info. They aren’t suppose to analyze it, but sometimes the very act of gathering sorting and delivering is a form of analysis. If Hayden gets the spot at the CIA that means that the NSA will get more money and will be the “approved” agency for all info, vs. conflicting agencies with in the Pentagon.
So the people at the NSA might support him knowing that, but when you see an announcement like this you also have to know there are probably HUNDREDS of people at all levels cheering him on, both subtly and not so subtly. Those people who are doing the real important work and who ARE keeping us safe and who are also pissed at Bush and how he is abusing his power are good people that I appreciate the most. They know this is a mission to protect us from actual bad people, (vs. boogie men genned up to scare us of each other) any work that pulls the away from actual bad people and onto political opponents, peace activists and journalists is bad for our saftey.
May 12th, 2006 at 5:15 pmI almost wish they hadn’t teased this story. Not because I don’t like a good tease (mee-yow) but because this gives the right-wing media days to anticipate the bombshell and mitigate its impact. It also gives the right-wing a few days to try to figure out some way to play “hardball” with Tice, figure out if he’s got a price and if they’re willing to play it. God, whatever Tice has to say, imagine if we didn’t know it was coming until he actually dropped it? How Fox News would have to scramble to make up spin? How flaccid and impotent the emperor would look as more people realized he had no clothes? As a result, thanks to this tease and the subsequent chance to assassinate Tice’s character, this could have about as much impact as Frank Pentangeli’s testimony in front of the Senate about the existence of organized crime in The Godfather part 2. And film buffs know what happened to him. Damn.
May 12th, 2006 at 5:16 pmIs this guy going to live until next week?
May 12th, 2006 at 5:18 pmFinally, we are hearing more and more americans that love america standing up for her values..Until republicans came into power we had values and we must get them back before they drag all of us down the sewer with them..
May 12th, 2006 at 5:19 pmIs this guy going to live until next week?
Comment by Planet B — May 12, 2006 @ 5:18 pm
Maybe that is why he came forward, no chance anyone would touch him now, too high profile.
May 12th, 2006 at 5:20 pm#5… don’t make the mistake of thinking all of this is one administration. This has been a long time coming. Congress has abdicated its duty to declare war for decades and the whole system is one of corporate oligarchy. Getting the Bush Junta out of power will stop some of the worst excesses, but the system that allowed them to do what they’ve done will still be in place.
May 12th, 2006 at 5:20 pmOh the sheep still won’t care.
The fear of ‘what if’ is still far greater than the pain of ‘what is’…
Not enough burden yet.
May 12th, 2006 at 5:23 pmI smell Presidential Approval Rating of 20-25% after next week’s testimony.
Anyone know what day that will be next week?
May 12th, 2006 at 5:24 pm#54 – Krazny,
May 12th, 2006 at 5:25 pmRumsfeld knows where he is storing his WMDs. He’s a goner!
Was there ever any doubt that the the only way Bush and his congress could secure America was by turning it into a dictatorship?
The president SAID he wanted to be a dictator. He SAID he would continue breaking the law. Our congress let him get away with it!
May 12th, 2006 at 5:25 pmHe needs to break some stupid laws that are outdated to SAVE US from TERRORISTS. You libs don’t get it.
May 12th, 2006 at 5:35 pmA class action was filed against Verizon today in federal court in New York. Asks for $5 billion in consumer damages. Kick. Ass.
May 12th, 2006 at 5:37 pm#60.
Outdated, silly old things like the Constitution.
The Nazi Party is on the march.
-GSD
May 12th, 2006 at 5:41 pmWeapons in space used on any tom, dick, harry, or mary? imagine that.
May 12th, 2006 at 5:41 pmComment by unbelievable — May 12, 2006 @ 5:23 pm and Slappy Mcgoo #51 that some insightful comments there!
The wingnuts are already on this one. They are focusing on “If you don’t have anything to hide, don’t worry.”
May 12th, 2006 at 5:42 pmComment by unbelievable — May 12, 2006 @ 5:23 pm and Slappy Mcgoo #51 that some insightful comments there!
The wingnuts are already on this one. They are focusing on “If you don’t have anything to hide, don’t worry.”
May 12th, 2006 at 5:42 pmHe needs to break some stupid laws that are outdated to SAVE US from TERRORISTS. You libs don’t get it.
Comment by Debbie Schutstaff — May 12, 2006 @ 5:35 pm
I know. The constitution is so pre-9/11 mentality. So outdated and obsolete. Who would even think of abiding it , anyway?
And why hold elections? That’s also so pre-9/11. Let’s have the Supreme Court pick the president instead.. oh, wait…
May 12th, 2006 at 5:42 pm#56 – Is SANTO starting to make a bit of sense?
May 12th, 2006 at 5:42 pmIt could be that I’m going crazy.
Oh yeah, and “Hail to the Chief” has been changed to the “Theme from Hogan’s Heroes”.
-GSD
May 12th, 2006 at 5:43 pm#60 – that’s pretty funny – you should try standup.
May 12th, 2006 at 5:45 pmHe needs to break some stupid laws that are outdated to SAVE US from TERRORISTS. You libs don’t get it.
Comment by Debbie Schutstaff — May 12, 2006 @ 5:35 pm
at least she admitted he is breaking the law. that is more then most of the wingnuts.
May 12th, 2006 at 5:45 pm#23 – You may be onto something, Punchy. It could be the credit cards, or tracking our bank accounts. I’ve heard some weird things now and then, but they usually have to do with credit card usage or payment activity. The “people with nothing to hide” might not mind their communications being data mined, but they’ll probably mind the government looking into their finances. That would shake them out of their stupor!
May 12th, 2006 at 5:46 pmI’ve been in the mountains on vacation since Spring, 2000. I just got back this afternoon. I haven’t read a paper, watched TV or talked to anyone since I started my vacation. I trust that Americans have taken care of the country. How are things in America these days?
May 12th, 2006 at 5:48 pmPlanet B
It’s not the system that allowed Bush to get away with so much. The system, if applied would have booted his sorry ass in 2003, no what allowed Bush to get away with so much is much more tragic.
What allowed Bush to get away with so much, was the American People. The American People who didn’t vote, the American People who voted based on “Values” voting, the American people who voted along party lines, and the American people who defined their country as a 2 party state. The American people who weren’t willing to weaken the opposition when the opposition had simply ceased fighting, and the American people who weren’t willing to abandon the ruling party they knew to be wrong.
The American people who let Fox get away with telling them lies. The American people who continued to believe Ann Coulter and the other Republican pundits no matter how many times they were discredited, the American people who swallowed opinion as fact and fact as opinion. The American people, who years previously, made politics crass.
The American people, who still won’t protest as their rights are stripped from them one by one. The American people more afraid of the damage done by one islamic terrorist half way around the world, then the damage done by toxins in their water supply.
It is not the system which is to blame, but the people who were supposed to make sure the system worked. The American government, when it works is a remarkable demonstration of checks and balances, but it needs the American people to make it work.
May 12th, 2006 at 5:48 pmNSA VISITS AMERICAblog.com
check this out…….
http://americablog.blogspot.com/2006/05/americablog-welcomes-nsa.html
May 12th, 2006 at 5:49 pmwhy the change in spelling, debbie ? – the other day (your 1st!) it was “schutstaffel” … someone pointed out the nazi similarities… was that it?
May 12th, 2006 at 5:51 pmBetween Rove’s involvment in the Plame Scandal, whatever floats to the surface from Portor Goss’ resignation, the disgrace on immigration, the NSA scandal and the NEW NSA scandal…29% is going to be looking pretty high soon.
May 12th, 2006 at 5:51 pm#72 – Got about a week…?
May 12th, 2006 at 5:53 pm#74 – I bet they’ve visited TP, too.
May 12th, 2006 at 5:55 pmHelloooo! *fingers waving*
#72 that job as French ambassador isn’t quite as popular as it was in your day Ben. And as for the Republic you gave them, well, it’s looking like the people couldn’t ‘keep it’
May 12th, 2006 at 5:57 pmHe had better watch his back. If his testimony will be as damning as he purports it to be, he may just go missing. Kudos for his courage to take on the man. If only there were more like him.
May 12th, 2006 at 5:57 pmMy guess is that Tice will have an “accident” this weekend. Tragic slip and fall that rendered him incapacitated and unable to testify.
May 12th, 2006 at 5:58 pmBush claims success in the War on Terror because we have not had an attack in our country since 9/11. Our enemies are not after our land or riches; the terrorists hate our independent ideas and the foundations of our democracy. Bush hands the terrorists a triumph each day when – in the name of securing freedom – his administration secretly spies on its citizen’s phone records, or holds press events with only selected guests to discourage free speech, or agrees to the torture of prisoners with a signing statement against Congress’ intent. We may be winning a war against terrorists according to Bush, but what America will we be left if this administration continues to sacrifice our Constitutional soul to save our soil?
May 12th, 2006 at 6:00 pmMr. Tice,
May 12th, 2006 at 6:01 pmPlease watch your back! We will all be watching for you as well.
Thank you for your Patriotism and Courage in a time when America never needed it more.
I think there is a seat for Mr. Tice on a CIA jet flying in from Ukraine as we speak.
May 12th, 2006 at 6:03 pmI certainly hope that Mr. Tice is in protective custody somewhere. I would not put it past these criminals to fake some accident to get rid of him and his testimony.
May 12th, 2006 at 6:06 pmNSA: Not So American! Did you know the NSA has outsourced some of its spooky workforce to places like India, Pakistan and, ahem, Canada?
May 12th, 2006 at 6:11 pmNSA (no such agency)
May 12th, 2006 at 6:12 pmNSA = Not Secret Anymore
May 12th, 2006 at 6:23 pmTHE ONLY WAY TO PUT AN END TO THE CRIMES OF THESE FASCIST BASTARDS IS TO BECOME A REVOLUTIONARY AND OVERTHROW THIS NEO-NAZI ADMINISTRATION. #8, DON’T THINK IMPEACHMENT HERE, IT’S TOO LATE FOR THAT, THINK GUILLOTINE!!!!!!
May 12th, 2006 at 6:27 pmExcellent post Bruce(#73). Bill Moyers said, “Money ruined Democracy”. Until we Americans have all Federal elections paid for solely by public financing, the moneychangers from both parties will continue to sell-out The Constitution. “We the People” are our only hope left.
May 12th, 2006 at 6:36 pmHo Chi Minh
“You can kill ten of our men for every one we kill of yours. But even at those odds, you will lose and we will win.”
I always kind of dug that quote.
May 12th, 2006 at 6:38 pm…….and people laugh at the tinfoil hat PrisonPlanet.com site.
May 12th, 2006 at 6:42 pmThanks Mark.
May 12th, 2006 at 6:42 pmPossible Tice testimony revelations could include
(1) Massive cooperation between the government and private spy companies who collect data on citizens Greg Palast
(2) The exact nature of the special access programs run by Stephen Cambone, Rumsfeld’s lieutenant – what exactly the DIA has been up to inside the US.
(3) What’s this about illegal use of space satellites? Sounds like something out of that movie, “Enemy of the State”.
So they are going to say that Tice is psychologically disturbed? Isn’t that a rational response to Bush, Rumsfeld and Cheney? My psychology sure gets disturbed when I listen to the spew that comes out of their mouths.
May 12th, 2006 at 6:43 pmI hope the Republicans are proud. We have PERVERTS not only listening to us. Nope that’s not enough. Now they want to watch??
May 12th, 2006 at 6:43 pm[...] The news of the phone records being released to the NSA is just the tip of the iceberg according to former NSA staffer Russell Tice. Tice is scheduled to testify before the Senate Armed Services committee next week and will tell them that NSA staffers believe many of the activities the NSA is involved in are unlawful and that what has come out so far is just a small part of what is actually going on. A former intelligence officer for the National Security Agency said Thursday he plans to tell Senate staffers next week that unlawful activity occurred at the agency under the supervision of Gen. Michael Hayden beyond what has been publicly reported, while hinting that it might have involved the illegal use of space-based satellites and systems to spy on U.S. citizens. … [...]
May 12th, 2006 at 6:45 pmI posted this in another thread, but it is even more relevant here. So, before the trolls bring out the “he was diagnosed paranoid” talking point, read on.
About Tice:
Russell Tice was a senior intelligence analyst at the National Security Agency until he demanded to know in April 2003 what had happened to a report he had filed about a former colleague he suspected of spying for China. Two months later, he found himself checking coolant at the agency’s motor pool.
Not only did Tice get demoted from the elite ranks of the intelligence community, but he was also deemed “paranoid” by one of the agency’s psychologists, a death sentence in the intelligence field. Just nine months earlier, Tice had been found psychologically sound during a routine evaluation.
In federal job: Blow whistle, get boot
He was not the only one to be labeled “paranoid”. Funny thing is, some whistleblowers are no liberals, but simply critical of the Bush administration’s misguided policies:
Whistleblowers who have stepped forward to accuse the National Security Agency of retaliating against them by falsely labeling them “paranoid,” “delusional,” or “psychotic,” cover a range of political views. Russell D. Tice, a self-described conservative, believes President Bush should be impeached over the current controversy involving the NSA’s domestic surveillance program. Another whistleblower, Diane Ring, is a staunch Bush supporter who supports the surveillance program.
NSA Whistleblowers Were Allegedly Isolated, Intimidated
Take heed, Bush cultists. Even you can fall from your Supreme (mis)Leader’s grace and find yourself labeled “paranoid” or worse.
May 12th, 2006 at 6:45 pmAnyone been whacked from outer space yet?
May 12th, 2006 at 6:47 pmIts time for a Constitutional Convention to ratify phased-in term limits for US Senate, US House, and SCOTUS – next please, thank you for your public service.
May 12th, 2006 at 6:48 pmHEY HEY HEY
May 12th, 2006 at 6:50 pmrandi rhodes just announced that rove IS indicted
will resign!!!!!!!!!!!
damn – it may have been a joke
May 12th, 2006 at 6:52 pmcan’t find the real thing… sorry
#91 BG; I always liked that quote too. Uncle Ho was prophetic when he said that to the French and it was also equally true in application to the US.
May 12th, 2006 at 6:54 pmGreat research Gregor,
the right will latch onto this supposed paranoi to descredit him. I am not sure how much more the public will take. This type of attack has occured over and over again against anyone critical of the government. The question is will it succeed? I am getting the impression, that many are not so ready to swallow the republican cool aid at this point. Their party has fractured badly, and many of on the extreme right are upset.
May 12th, 2006 at 6:55 pmTice should take Stephen Colbert’s phrase to a new level. Let’s pray in Stephen’s words: Oh, Lord, let me BRING IT”!!
Better hope this guy doesn’t befall a tragic “accident”, arranged by the New World Order, like everything else.
May 12th, 2006 at 6:57 pmHopefully he’ll have more than words.
May 12th, 2006 at 6:58 pmThe new motto for the independents, and the liberal bloggers out their (Also a Ho Chi Minh quote, given new meaning under present circumstances.)
“If the Grasshopper does not stop fighting the Elephant, the Elephant will die of exhaustion.”
May 12th, 2006 at 6:58 pmNOPE – this is what randi announced:
Rove Informs White House He Will Be Indicted
By Jason Leopold
t r u t h o u t | Report
Friday 12 May 2006
May 12th, 2006 at 7:01 pmThis type of attack has occured over and over again against anyone critical of the government. The question is will it succeed?
Comment by Krazny — May 12, 2006 @ 6:55 pm
Thanks for the compliment, Krazny.
And yes, anyone who disagrees is personally attacked and their claims are quickly lost in the noise and forgottten. The fact that the Bush administration chooses to discredit the person rather than the claims is (or should be) very revealing.
Maybe they will succeed -with the 31%ers, or whatever X%ers we have this week. There will always some who think Pres Bush can do no wrong.
May 12th, 2006 at 7:06 pmChangeAmerica.net : In Bush’s world, all Americans except his corrupt friends are members of Al Queda. I am spyin’ on ‘em because I am the decider. I decided to spy so that makes it legal.
Does anyone remember the Republicans claiming the absolutely had to impeach Bill Clinton because he “broke the law” and no one is above the law. They absolutely had to impeach him. It was all about everyone having to follow the law. Just look up their statements on the internet.
Hypocrite sleazbags!
http://www.ChangeAmerica.net
May 12th, 2006 at 7:11 pmMaybe he’ll tell us the Ashkenazi are not the descendants of Abraham – and that preperations have been made to “renegotiate” Balfour.
The “Right” – there is no “Left” or “Right”, there are only alter boys, who by their vote, are criminals as much as those they gave money to. Pelost – A1 AIPAC cheerleader – a champion for progressives – a hero – a hero that has already argued against impeachment.
+How much Money did state retirement funds loose because Fienstiens’s husband was selling Israeli securities into those portfolios. There all week – perhaps the only hero left is a little know right winger named Ron Paul. Any house memeber that voted to continue the concentration camps in Palestine and supported Israels withholding of PA moneys is a war criminal. Any congressman that voted for Iraq War or Iran Freedom act is a war criminal. The only thing their votes did aside from murder, is assure engergy would be expensive and their friends would get plenty of the 1.5 Billion borrowed since 2001 to pay for these illegal mass murders through top-secret we-will-never-know-or-see black projects.
They are all money lauderers – they are all murderers – they are all defrauders and extortionists – all off them.
For you worried about the “right”, is that air you’re breathing?
May 12th, 2006 at 7:11 pmwith kudos to the dead senator edwards from louisiana,
if tice brought in blood-stained sheets and a video shot with three cameras and directed by martin scorcese, of george bush and dick cheney in bed with a dead girl or a live boy, it wouldn’t make a bit of difference…
oh, senator reid might hold a press conference and speak with a cracky voice for three minutes, but, that is about it…
but, i’ll listen to tice and hope he has something good…
May 12th, 2006 at 7:11 pmI believe he will announce that the NSA actually enters the house of American citizens while they are out and snoops on them w/o a warrant…I don’t believe it stops at phone records…Thank GOD for TICE!!!
May 12th, 2006 at 7:16 pmIt’s not just the NSA getting all manner of personal information about everyone on the planet. My teenage son was ordering a laptop on our home computer using my husband’s credit card (with permission, of course). He was asked for the last four digits of my husband’s SS#. He gave it and up pops a series of questions “to verify your identity.” The questions were multiple choice:
Which of these four address have you lived at:
1234 Smith st.
5678 Jones st
9999 Green st
2222 Brown st
One of them was an address that we lived at 22 years ago!
Then it asked which of these people we knew, and listed four names. One was my husband’s brother.
It then asked: “Which age group most nearly includes the age of Mary Smith” and listed four age groups. Well, the person identified was my mother-in-law and she is older than any of the age groups listed … I think “none” was an option.
This was freaky and bizarre. Where did a COMPUTER RETAILER get all that information? It certainly appeared to be linked to the LAST FOUR DIGITS of my husband’s SS#.
For people who think all this spying is just dandy because they “have nothing to hide,” you have your head in the sand. You may have a characteristic that someone is going to determine is an “out” … just like in Nazi Germany … gay people got pink triangles to wear, Jews got the yellow star and I am sure there were other groups as well. And then they systematically eliminated them because they knew where they all were. You really ought to hear Randi Rhodes rave on this … its spot on.
May 12th, 2006 at 7:18 pmThat’s it!
May 12th, 2006 at 7:20 pmI’m getting up from my computer right now and I’m walking outside, looking up at the NSA spy satellites and I’m giving them both a “Scalia vafanculo” and a “go cheney yourself”.
Sing mr. Tice…SINGGGGGGGGGGGGGG….
May 12th, 2006 at 7:33 pmNow let’s all go outside and yell…’I'm mad as hell, and I’m not going to take it any more!’
Every new revelation increasingly makes it clear the Bush Administration shouldn’t be believed about 9/11 either. Demand a new investigation.
http://www.3c.911truth.org
May 12th, 2006 at 7:35 pmI told everyone at work months ago that the reason bush isn’t getting warrants was because he’s spying on MILLIONS of us and that to do so they’d have to cut down the entire rain forest to make all the paper necessary. Turns out I wasn’t even close to the actual number. Sumbitch!
May 12th, 2006 at 7:44 pmPunchy: I had the same experience leaving Tucson in March. It was bizarre. I was pulled out of line at the check-in as soon as the TSA woman looked at my boarding pass. She said I was being searched because I was “a person of interest.” Of course, no one ever explained what that meant. They left me standing for ten minutes and then it was like someone suddenly remembered they had pulled me aside and came over and patted me down. Weird.
May 12th, 2006 at 7:45 pmHo Chi Minh; you hit the nail right on the head brother. The revoultion will not be televised, the revolution will be LIVE! Time to feed the hogs.
May 12th, 2006 at 7:46 pm#117
Demand a new investigation
errr…roberts has finished the first one yet…it has only been five years…investigations are ‘hard work’ as war-criminal rumsfeld is prone to say…
this country is over and done with… i urge everyone to renew their passports and apply for asylum somewhere in europe.
May 12th, 2006 at 7:48 pmWe need to do the following:
1. Use cash only at all times.
2. Switch to Qwest for phone services.
3. Dump AT&T and Verizon (and MSN).
4. Use payphones.
5. Go to another country if possible.
May 12th, 2006 at 7:50 pmYOU ARE all fools! you think the ECHELON is scary?! its not. that is just one you shouldnt even care about it we shouldnt even know about it you fools. you people have know idea where technology is and where it is going..and by the way its going there fast …. FUTURE SHOCK IS EVERYWHERE just wait until a walk down the street produces gigabytes of information liberals are mad at the administration for this inexorable technological system?? embrace the future or find a way off this planet … this IS NOT AN IMORTANT ISSUE chairman of the President’s Bioethics Council : Leon R. Kass should be NUMBER ONE WAKE THE HELL UP!!!!
May 12th, 2006 at 7:54 pmI hope Tice avoids small planes and doesn’t wake up dead having comitted suicide by stabbing himself in the back 20 times.
May 12th, 2006 at 7:58 pmV for Vendetta.
May 12th, 2006 at 8:08 pmthis is the official prediction of fcuk bush:
tice will say that the nsa has devised a way to capture keystrokes through the internet simply by having the 257.257.257.257 thingey….
if so: ’suck on my butthole, 007′
peace.
May 12th, 2006 at 8:09 pmfrom USAToday:
The former chief executive of Qwest concluded that agreeing to turn over calling records of his company’s customers to the government would have “violated the privacy requirements of the Telecommunications Act,” his lawyer said today.
Also, the lawyer said, then-Qwest CEO Joseph Nacchio determined “there was a disinclination on the part of the authorities to use any legal process, including the Special Court which had been established to handle such matters.”
Disinclination…..hmmm.
May 12th, 2006 at 8:14 pmOn Paula Zahn Now, Paula’s interview with Mr. Tice (!) was interrupted for breaking news on new DNA results with regard to the Duke gang rape case. what the fu?????
May 12th, 2006 at 8:16 pmI sincerely hope he lives to testify.
May 12th, 2006 at 8:20 pmThis can’t be fixed at the polls. They control the new voting machines.
May 12th, 2006 at 8:23 pmThe reason(s) dumbya is so paranoid is:
Pot induced and
He is more corrupt and evil (along with his handlers) and has been doing things that real Americans know is illegal. He is scared shi***tless at what is about to happen to him, his handlers and their awful party.
Every day another outrage from the whore i mean white house.
I’m thinking that he is soon to totally melt down. I just hope it is on camera. I thought we would get to see him and his schoolmarm/drugdealer wife spitting pea soup at Colbert, but I guess someone told him to mind his manners FOR ONCE.
May 12th, 2006 at 8:38 pmHard to imagine the Bushies won’t pull some kind of maneuver to try to put a muzzle on this guy.
Anyway, he’s brave…
May 12th, 2006 at 8:38 pm[...] At the moment, Uranus’ serial tsunamis are inundating the shores of Bushland. With the Preznit’s progressed Moon opposing natal Uranus through May 22, every day is bringing a new explosion. Yesterday’s big news centered on the NSA’s data mining of ALL our phone calls, creating a big enough breach in the Constitution to drown an elephant. Today word is seeping out that Rove has told the Boss that he is about to be indicted. (Be still my heart!) Next week promises yet more drama when testimony from former NSA staffer Russell Tice threatens to make previous disclosures about the NSA eavesdropping pale by comparison. All of these shockers bode ill for the Bushistas due to the simultaneous predominance of Saturn – moving to cross Bush’s Ascendant, Mercury and Pluto through early July – and the Pluto quincunx of the Inaugural solar arc Saturn conjunct Inaugural IC through mid-June. Thus the upsets initiated by Uranus in May will continue in their aftershocks into July, doing a great deal of damage to the Puppet Prince along the way. [...]
May 12th, 2006 at 8:38 pmYou think Bush cares if you’re outraged?
You, your Congress and your Judiciary have been procedurally de-balled while you were greedily cashing your $500 tax rebate check.
YOU didn’t even feel it because you were under a weird anesthesia, your demand for comfortable living.
What are you going to do sans your gonads? Whine when Jeb Bush gets into office next?
Being ball-less is pretty inconvenient now, isn’t it?
May 12th, 2006 at 8:39 pmuh, this guy is a commie fag, right? i mean, he’s only saying this ’cause he’s gay, right? um– is this the same guy who was abducted by ufos?
not that there’s anything wrong with that.
____________
i’m kind of afraid for this brave person.
May 12th, 2006 at 8:39 pmHere’s to sixteen stunning years lacking your privates and a Constitution.
May 12th, 2006 at 8:41 pmLook how they handled Wilson re yellow cake from Africa. Do you really believe all that data gathering is for fighting terrorism??Yes, if you feel the Dems are terrorists, and any other entity that disagrees with this facistic messianic buffoon in the WH.
May 12th, 2006 at 8:42 pm#124 these clowns in the SS/CIA/FBI have a habit of making people commit suicide. I loved the one about the guy that managed to shoot himself in the head twice to commit suicide.
At the risk of sounding like a crazy, take a look at the “Bush Bodies”
How about Bertha Champagne (neil bush’s nanny – not a drag queen). She managed to leave her car in gear all day and long about 9pm it traveled many many feet to kill her. This was a couple weeks after Neil’s company was in all 3 of the WTC buildings “installing security devices” on 9/10. Neil said she lived at his house, but her son said that was not the case and he “didn’t feel comfortable talking about the circumstances around her death”. Things that make you go HMMMMMM.
May 12th, 2006 at 8:44 pm[...] Think Progress notes that next week may bring revelations that what we already know about the NSA spying scandal is just the tip of the iceberg (link via AMERICAblog). [...]
May 12th, 2006 at 8:46 pmuh, this guy is a commie fag, right? i mean, he’s only saying this ’cause he’s gay, right? um– is this the same guy who was abducted by ufos?
not that there’s anything wrong with that.
____________
i’m kind of afraid for this brave person.
Comment by M. Hildebrand
Are you like in Elementry school? Do you sincerly think that calling someone names can hurt them? And since you used the “fag” word are you hiding something you are ashamed of in yourself?
I bet you even use the N word too.
May 12th, 2006 at 8:50 pmTice is toast. By Monday he will be enjoying an extended, all expevses paid, vacation in Cuba at Guantanamo. He will never make it to the stand. If they cut him off eyeballing Paula just think what he will have left before he gets somewhere that counts. Click on Clyde to see the Mealy Mouthed Finger Flinger’s reaction.
May 12th, 2006 at 8:53 pmDon’t forget.
One of the reasons John Bolton was not confirmed officially as U.N. ambassador was because he got Gen. Hayden at the NSA to pass along to him NSA intercepts of U.S. citizens deemed to be “persons of interest” by Bolton. The White House, of course, stonewalled the Senate over the actual number of top-secret NSA intercepts Gen. Hayden passed to Bolton. And I just wonder which other Bush administration officials made requests to Gen. Hayden? This is why I’m actually looking forward to Gen. Hayden getting grilled during his CIA confirmation hearing. Maybe he’ll finally reveal how much illegal spying the Bush administration has really been doing, under the guise of protecting us from religious fundamentalist terrorists. Who’s going to protect us from the Bush admnistration and all their illegal activities? Maybe Congress will do something for a change other than being a doormat for the Bush administration and it’s “culture of corruption”?
May 12th, 2006 at 8:55 pmWake up.
“THE ECONOMY” is your false god, the one you place before your Creator. For it, and it alone, you imperiously clamor for more than you could possibly deserve.
More comfort, more convenience, more.
GWB knows you’ll do anything for this god.
May 12th, 2006 at 8:59 pmYou know what missing your balls makes you do? Think about your bowel movements more.
May 12th, 2006 at 9:02 pmDana darling, put down the sacramental wine, and remember….
EVEN GOD TOOK A FREEKIN DAY OFF
If you want to post things on topic fine, otherwise to quote Krash-Kart Cheeney:
Go F****K yourself
May 12th, 2006 at 9:03 pmAmerican: GAS, FOOD, ENTERTAINMENT.
May 12th, 2006 at 9:05 pmKJ: I can’t.
May 12th, 2006 at 9:07 pmKJ: I can’t.
I don’t have the constitution for it.
May 12th, 2006 at 9:08 pmWill the guy better reveal the Info. on the NSA before Bush thugs tell him to shut his yapper or he sleeps with the fishes!
May 12th, 2006 at 9:21 pm[...] I’m getting close to just giving up. If this story saying the NSA scandal is more severe than we ever thought turns out to be true, I think I’m going to head out and watch America sink into the earth from afar. Next week former NSA staffer Russell Tice will let us all know what we’ve not. “I think the people I talk to next week are going to be shocked when I tell them what I have to tell them. It’s pretty hard to believe,†Tice said. “I hope that they’ll clean up the abuses and have some oversight into these programs, which doesn’t exist right now.†[...]
May 12th, 2006 at 9:23 pmwhy now? He tried to get an audience in Dec 05 in a letter to Congressional committees.
As far As I know it was denied… at least until now.
May 12th, 2006 at 9:30 pmIf your desire to keep our country safe trumps your desire to keep our country free, you are not a patriot. You are an anti-patriot.
May 12th, 2006 at 9:30 pmDana, for some, it’s food + gas = entertainment
May 12th, 2006 at 9:32 pmThe NSA has the same information Social Sec. and the IRS have, and then some.
Plus, the capability to cross-reference by processing Teraflops of data at any given moment.
Your very movement can be tracked down if you carry a cellphone on you (GPS / antenna routing).
Does anybody remember the story when some guy paid off a larger chunk of his credit card debt (about $6000) and got a little visit from Homeland security?!
http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/3/3/2418/56602
Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they’re not after you.
May 12th, 2006 at 9:39 pmI predict he will have a dreadful accident before he gets to talk.
May 12th, 2006 at 9:54 pmSHOOT TICE IN THE HEAD ON CAPITOL STEEPS
May 12th, 2006 at 10:03 pmTice is doing GOD’s work. Bless you brave son.
May 12th, 2006 at 10:07 pm5 will get you 10 that when its all over, Hayden gets confirmed. Tice will be forgotten. Maybe 6 people not on this site know the name of the last whisleblower to testify before congress.
May 12th, 2006 at 10:08 pmIt’s time to go. There is absolutely no intelligent life here.
May 12th, 2006 at 10:09 pmtice will turn around at some point in his testimony to see at least one of his family members sitting rather close to a man in black trench coat with a gun pointing to said family member, in the right-hand pocket of the mysterious gentleman…
or,
‘mr tice was found dead in a motel room in alexandria virginia this morning of an apparent drug overdose. mr tice has been under medication for his severe addiction to child pornography and meth for the past two years.’
or,
‘mr tice testified today in front of some half-ass committee and showed photographs of dick cheney being sodomized by a female prostitute with a bad attitude and a strap-on while president bush is seen bouncing what appeared to be a small male goat on his lap. president bush appeared to have a rubber cord wrapped around his upper-arm and a hypodermic needle can be seen dangling from one of his veins. mr tice also had a photograph of secretaries rumsfeld and rice waterboarding a young iraqi who looked to be approximately 11 years old.
one senator asked mr tice what he had for lunch yesterday.
tice said ‘chicken ala king and toast’
the meeting was adjourned.
afterward, senator reid made the following statement: ‘when are we going to see the movie ’stick it’… i want popcorn, and frist says i can sit in the front seat on the way…i like movies…oh, the hearing…i forgot, what were we talking about?’
May 12th, 2006 at 10:11 pmLove him or hate him, Tice got that emotionally disturbed look in his eyes. That guy is scary to look at. In the end when he’s done talking,nothing will change. Anything more is just wishing for the stars.
May 12th, 2006 at 10:14 pmbring this goddam goverment down man! The chimpman is toast. Islam rulz. plez relaese everthing u have on this evil Bush’ita empire and illegel activeties allah akbar
May 12th, 2006 at 10:18 pmActually, there seem to be a number of emotionally disturbed individuals posting here. By any chance are you all related?
May 12th, 2006 at 10:18 pmOMG now what is Wall Street going to do? How are the wealthy going to live on their dividends if these whistle blowers continue to whistle? Puny Little Traitor. This has nothing to do with Karl Rove’s impending indictment. This has nothing to do with the health care mess. This has nothing to do with oil prices. This has nothing to do with the War in Iraq. This has nothing to do with Bush and his idiot plans to invade Iran. And finally this has nothing to do with the fact that the Bush White House has been spying on Americans.
May 12th, 2006 at 10:20 pmbring down evil Bush empire! right on man expose all thier lies and secrit illegel activeties. islam rulz. Allah Akbar
May 12th, 2006 at 10:21 pmCome along Wingbat, time for your medication. Allah Fubar
May 12th, 2006 at 10:24 pmAre any of the regular progressives here gonna say ANYTHING to WINGBAT? #166#169 is just a little over the top. Hating Bush and Co. is one thing but you gotta admit this one went too far.
May 12th, 2006 at 10:25 pm#170 thank you. You can type faster than me. thanks again
May 12th, 2006 at 10:27 pmtoo far?
hey, i don’t know if he was being sarcastic, but, what is too far???
May 12th, 2006 at 10:30 pmThe Bush administration is self destructing before the eyes of the nation. Every day, more and more of their crimes are revealed. It is a pity that it took so long for their incompetence, dishonesty, and failures are revealed. The folks who voted for Al Gore just knew what kind of a terrible president Bush was going to be. He had no experience, and people said he will be surrounded by experienced staff members, what a load of BS. The people he has surrounded himself with are criminals from the Reagan administration, his father’s failed administration, and a lot of right wing cowards, hell bent on starting a war. WHAT A DISASTER.!! I hope more patriots come forward and expose these criminals for what they are, and show their loyal supporters, who are now the minority, just how dishonest these criminals are.
May 12th, 2006 at 10:31 pm[...] As if spying on international and domestic telephone calls and maintaining the targeted telephone records of tens of millions of Americans weren’t enough, NSA whistleblower Russell Tice claims there’s more! I think the people I talk to next week are going to be shocked when I tell them what I have to tell them. It’s pretty hard to believe. [...]
May 12th, 2006 at 10:32 pmthis might be ‘too far’
but, i choose the see the glass as half-full instead of half-empty…too far! pshaw!! as they used to say in 20s…
May 12th, 2006 at 10:35 pmwell, i guess the ‘too far’ guy is calling the nsa so isn’t here to answer the question about what is ‘too far’…
actually, do you have to actually call the nsa, or do i just know what we are thinking at this point?
if only they would start putting the chips under people’s skin…then we would all be safe from dem ddtteerrrissts, and dem ferners wouldnf;t be takingg er jooobbbss!!!!
May 12th, 2006 at 10:41 pmPoll: Clinton outperformed Bush (CNN) — In a new poll comparing President Bush’s job performance with that of his predecessor, a strong majority of respondents said President Clinton outperformed Bush on a host of issues.
Man, are the neo-cons going to hate this.
May 12th, 2006 at 10:42 pmJames, Allah akbar and Islam rules IS too far. You wanna hate Bush more power to you, I assume your still a AMERICAN, and your posting here and on your own site because you want to improve America. Am I wrong?
May 12th, 2006 at 10:42 pm#177
Let’s have a big hand for the great Santo folks, wasn’t he great. That was an awesome perfromance. Remember he’ll be giving two shows a night over the weekend.
May 12th, 2006 at 10:43 pmWow I thought I’d get some people other than ROGER denouncing a poster saying allah akbar and Islam rules. Thump thump thump….. is this thing on.
May 12th, 2006 at 10:50 pmif someone wants to say ‘islam rules’ and use sterrotypical names, i don’t really mind, and i don’t find it anti-american… i could walk four blocks away from where i am and speak to some rather nice people who might just thing ‘islam rules’…
and, for all i know, maybe it does!!
i do want to ‘improve america’ but i don’t think ‘too far’ has been seen on this site…and if it is, tp will zonk it off.
does that make sense?
May 12th, 2006 at 10:50 pmI hope someone’s watching Tice’s back until he testifies. I wouldn’t put anything beyond these criminals.
May 12th, 2006 at 10:51 pmsanto is great! u must see neocon lies r destoyng USA and kill innocint peopel. people wake up and throw out bush liers no more illegel wiretapps and invason of peopels privaces
May 12th, 2006 at 10:52 pmEverything and I mean EVERYTHING, (assets, debts, contracts, locations via gps or cell, medical, voting records pets spouse, kids, pet medical records, your car’s health and speeds if you have a newer car…), that can be electronically stored is known. It’s also been shared among other Anglo security agencies and many multinational corporations. It’s going to get even better too.
May 12th, 2006 at 10:55 pmuh, this guy is a commie fag, right? i mean, he’s only saying this ’cause he’s gay, right? um– is this the same guy who was abducted by ufos?
not that there’s anything wrong with that.
____________
i’m kind of afraid for this brave person.
Comment by M. Hildebrand
Are you like in Elementry school? Do you sincerly think that calling someone names can hurt them? And since you used the “fag†word are you hiding something you are ashamed of in yourself?
I bet you even use the N word too.
Comment by KJ Lovell — May 12, 2006 @
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do me a favor, pull the corncob out of your ass and grow a sense of humor man. for you other humor-impaired, see it’s like some right winger is going to say that seriously, but we’re beating them to it and saying it so baldly and sarcastically (sp) that maybe they’ll think about just how stupid they are.
get it?
May 12th, 2006 at 10:59 pmWith each revelation, it’s becoming increasingly clear we’re living in Soviet America.
May 12th, 2006 at 11:11 pm#184 .I’m sure the people that you know that say “islam rules” mean it as a positive way about their religon. I feel wingbat was being anti american. I guess we see this differently.
May 12th, 2006 at 11:27 pmarrest teh war crimenals and stop murdering innoceint peiceful peopel. when the murderes are gone then peice will come to the land and no need of fear. the bushists feed on fear but more lies is all it is, like wtc coverup. the good progresseve people will put them out of busines, god willing
May 12th, 2006 at 11:43 pm[...] Most readers have been aware of Big Brother for a long time. And so when Big Brother winds up being president, let it be known…it wasn’t readers who put him there. Or, more precisely, it was non-readers who put him there, and non-readers who have been caught unawares. [...]
May 12th, 2006 at 11:49 pmI hope he is under guard somewhere. Many will not want him to make that report to the Senate
May 12th, 2006 at 11:59 pmTice, a paranoid talking about a program that he never worked on and knows nothing about. This is what thinkparanoid.org thinks is valid information?
May 13th, 2006 at 12:05 amTeh Great Allah will protect him from lier Big Brother Bush killers so lite of truth will shine on thier lies
May 13th, 2006 at 12:08 amTice, a paranoid talking about a program (…)
Comment by Red and Karly Pyoub — May 13, 2006 @ 12:05 am
Sorry, Red Pyoub, you are too late. We already went over that talking point a long time ago.
Tice was diagnosed “paranoid” after an unscheduled evaluation only 9 months after a routine check determined he was mentally sound.
The Bush administration has given other whistleblowers in the NSA the same type of treatment: “You are either with us or against us”. No dissent is allowed.
May 13th, 2006 at 12:21 am’’It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking Thirteen.”
May 13th, 2006 at 12:31 amTime to stop trying to rationalize things with these Nazis. You’re words are being wasted… They’re not rational…. listen to right wing talk radio… they ALL sound like foaming at the mouth shouting shrill lunatics. The U.S. constitution means nothing to them. They just want power. It’s getting scary folks. Time to put the mad dogs down. Get them out of high places.
May 13th, 2006 at 12:47 ambetter put this guy under the witness protection program. you think Rove isn’t already working on this? i wouldn’t be surprised if he either “disappears” or conviently has memory loss by the time of the testimony. if not–he is a real American hero.
May 13th, 2006 at 1:26 amjohn
If ever there was atime when we, as a Nation of free, as brothers and sisters who, all of us, are supposedly brave, IF there has ever been a time when we should join together in a first stand for the rescuing of our Constitution and all that it means for us as children under its guard. Then that should be NOW…
“Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!”
May God help our soul.
May 13th, 2006 at 1:53 amHow many “detainees” were swept up into Guantanamo Bay to endure years of subjugation hidden from the public? Now, if we happen to call a certain telephone number (perhaps misdialing a wrong number?) then you get years of intense interrogation and ? This is becoming a rein of !!!! It’s now up to the public to respond. Do we care if people are d because they appeared “suspicious” by some NSA algorithm? Senator Ted Kennedy was reportedly detained while trying to board a flight because he was on a suspect list that was generated by the some federal agency. So was a 5-month-old baby. We have no idea how many programs are creating suspect lists until the “leaking” journalists publish them. The administration claims they are helping the enemy? This is nonsense! Their callous incompetence is aiding the enemy.
May 13th, 2006 at 2:02 amThe entire CongressDaily article is available on GovExec.com here:
http://www.govexec.com/story_page.cfm?articleid=34075
May 13th, 2006 at 2:29 amGet ready to be “shocked”…
Looks like the latest NSA scandals are only the tip of the iceberg. From Think Progress:A former intelligence officer for the National Security Agency said Thursday he plans to tell Senate staffers next week that unlawful activity occurred at the…
May 13th, 2006 at 2:42 amHow will they deal with Tice? Go google these names:
Johnny Rosetti
Sam Giancana
William Sullivan
What did they all have in common?
May 13th, 2006 at 2:57 amBushCo’s complaints about “leakers” are mostly about the story getting out to the public in the first place, NOT that the revealed information is actually true. And it appears that the bigger the ‘temper-tantrum’ they have, the more they are trying to hide. “It’s not the lie, it’s the cover-up of the lie that is the problem.” A phrase that is often used in this sort of a situation. Mr.Tice has already survived one attempted “character assassination” by BushCo. So this new one will no doubt be far more brutal. You will be in my thoughts, Mr. Tice. Good luck, you’ll surely need all you can get. And on a related ‘phone records’ issue, a Verizon “C.O.”, and General Counsel, (same guy) just happened to be the Attorney General for Bush 41. Now, isn’t that interesting?!? I thought so, anyhow.
May 13th, 2006 at 3:06 amWingbat, have you considered getting ’spellcheck’? Because you would really find it useful.
May 13th, 2006 at 3:14 amI wonder if he will get into the
May 13th, 2006 at 3:21 amRandom murders in support of NSA Budgets
Three dead, and 10,000 headlines that built the NSA over 20 years.
Now that would be sensational !
I wonder if he will get into the
May 13th, 2006 at 3:25 amRandom murders in support of NSA Budgets
Three dead, and 10,000 headlines that built the NSA over 20 years.
Now that would be sensational !
Tice will be called a “Disgruntled Employee.” That is the catchall term for any whistleblower, be they corporate or governmental. This term is then supposed to discredit anything the person says. Of course, millions of us have been disgruntled employees at one time or another. If not, then you are supremely fortunate. Just because a former employee is disgruntled, does not immediately mean he/she is lying. However, the powers that be want the rest of us to buy that supposition. Given the perpetual lying machine that is the Bush Administration, at this point, I believe just about any atrocity is possible. Employees of this government should be disgruntled. Any decent, ethical, honest individual should be disgruntled. In fact, any person even remotely concerned about ethics and decency should be outraged, sickened, furious, and determined to see an end to the absolute corruption that now typifies the Bush Administration and most of Congress. The Media should also be outraged, but they sold out a long time ago. Their corporate fat-cat owners want to contine to play footsie with the Bushies-Birds of a Feather, you know. Mr. Tice is, indeed a brave soul. Those of us who believe him, owe him a debt of gratitude.
May 13th, 2006 at 3:43 amThe word for the day is JUNTA the question.. Is it strong enough?
May 13th, 2006 at 3:57 amFINALLY!
May 13th, 2006 at 4:05 amI remember about a year ago the MSM published a short lived story that Sen. John Warner strongly objected to a secret weapons program because of the expense and also because “it presented a danger to US citizens.”
The MSM speculated that because of the incredible expense that it was a space or sattelite weapons program but that the sattelite programs that were known about would not present a danger to people.
Bushco got to Warner and shut him up and forced him to say he really didn’t mean that it was dangerous.
May 13th, 2006 at 5:26 amHow could Nancy Pelosi (sp?) have openly promised that “we” would not try to impeach Bush? Is she turning Hillary? God knows we need to get this man sent back to Crawford while there is still time to save what is left of the wonderful country he’s thusfar destroyed single-handedly.
May 13th, 2006 at 5:57 am‘He needs to break some stupid laws that are outdated to SAVE US from TERRORISTS. You libs don’t get it.
Comment by Debbie Schutstaff — May 12, 2006 @ 5:35 pm‘
No, Debbie. YOU don’t ‘get it’. You’re the perfect example of the lamebrains who don’t realiize they’ve been manipulated and used!
May 13th, 2006 at 6:16 amCheck out http://www.coastalpost.com/03/03/12.htm
to get a grip on what HAARP (one of the main eyes in the sky)
are doing
Remember the original patent for HAARP included information
May 13th, 2006 at 6:27 amthat its technology offered surveillance cabilities that were
almost without limit
cabilities in the above post
May 13th, 2006 at 6:33 amshould have been entered as “capabilities”
Still hope he’s around to testify next week.
I wouldn’t put anything past this corrupt government.
May 13th, 2006 at 6:45 amWill no one rid us of these contemptible swine? How many stories have to come out revealing Bush’s utter disregard of rights, laws, humanity? How much cruelty–renditions of the innocent, torture of the innocent, and a sociopathic uncaring for anybody’s plight once the photo op is over–before this pathetic, half-witted nation stands up and calls these bastards out for what they’ve done. Democracy? Cute idea. Too bad it’s gone.
May 13th, 2006 at 6:59 am[...] Read More Shocking [...]
May 13th, 2006 at 7:04 am#122
Go to another country if possible. I sure did…..fled the good ole USA for Europe. Now I can watch from afar the empire crumble under its own pillars of corruption, incompetence and malaise.
May 13th, 2006 at 7:11 amThe Times and USA Today have Missed the Bigger Story — Again
By Greg Palast
Worried about Dick Cheney listening in Sunday on your call to Mom? That ain’t nothing. You should be more concerned that they are linking this info to your medical records, your bill purchases and your entire personal profile including, not incidentally, your voting registration. Five years ago, I discovered that ChoicePoint had already gathered 16 billion data files on Americans — and I know they’ve expanded their ops at an explosive rate.
May 13th, 2006 at 8:01 amhttp://informationclearinghouse.info/article13022.htm
I feel sure that Mr. Tice has a lawyer. If I remember correctly, from his last testimony, pyschological testing of employees at the NSA is routine. He had his psych test and wasn’t fired for ‘paranoid ideation’ for months after the test results were in. Odd, that they would let him continue to work with those kind of test results.
I would be willing to bet that his attorney has arrangned for him to have a battery of psych tests since his firing. If I were his attorney, I would have done exactly that.
Tice is wise to get the word out that he plans to testify, as the Republican co-conspirators in Congress already know it. It is a safety measure to let the rest of us in on it.
I bear no ill will toward the employees at the NSA. That is reserved for the policy-makers who do not believe they need obey the law and the head guy at the NSA who was Hayden.
I stopped using credit cards for most purchases a long time ago, probably not soon enough. But I do pay cash for books at my local book store, where I get a discount. I never buy from Amazon anymore. Haven’t in four years. About the only thing I use my credit card for anymore is airline tickets, because paying cash throws up red flags.
When I travel by car, I pay with cash, or I don’t go.
No, I am not doing anything wrong, at least, nothing that I know of. But who can be sure anymore?
To all the wingers out there who don’t care if Bush has all of their personal data: How are you going to feel when President Hillary Clinton has it? Just a thought. I know I wouldn’t like that either.
May 13th, 2006 at 8:03 amI SURE GLAD TO SEE TICE IS TESTIFYING TO CONGRESS.
May 13th, 2006 at 8:26 amMAYBE THIS WILL HELP GET THIS ADMINISTRATION FROGMARCHED IN HANDCUFFS OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE.71 YEARS OLD AND NEVER SEEN ANY THING WORSE.I HOPE THE BASTARDS GET WHAT THEY DESERVE.
No matter what is revealed about the criminality of the Bush Regime will make any difference! You have to call or fax your senators and DEMAND that they impeach Bush and Cheney, or inform them that they must resign instead! Americans have to massively protest > business boycotts, labor strikes, massive refusal to work, sit-downs at public buildings > civil disobedience like Ghandi did in India until the government collapses!
May 13th, 2006 at 8:55 amI think you all are a bunch of fruitcakes and should spend your time researching the Kennedys and Rockefellers and just for the fun of it throw in The Billary Clintons to occupy your time.Or better yet just go pray to Alluah that we can get a constitution that will support whats going on in the USA today and that they don’t throw you out of the country for being born in America.
May 13th, 2006 at 9:04 amAfter all Bush didn’t flush the USA down the tubes yet but thanks to Kennedys, Rockefellers, Robert C. Byrd and the US Congressional Communist we have slowly gone down on our own over the past thirty years.
I like paying $3.10 per gallon for gas and driving 60 miles one way to work because we have a shortage (no that was the 70,80,90’s) opps its a supply and demand thing now. I am told it will go to $4.00 per gal. by mid summer and I bet that will make my place of employment move closer to home. And before you have a say about it remember the mess Clinton left for Bush to figure out.
Amen!!
May 13th, 2006 at 9:44 amTo Carol Dagg,
HAARP is not a satellite system, so not really an eye in the sky. It IS being applied in heating of the ionosphere and, I believe, being adapted to weather control in conjunction with chemtrail activity. Note that there is the HAARP that you see on their website, but that here is another nearby installation, much larger and soon to reach 100% capability, the power levels of which are mindboggling. An insider has given me disturbing reports of mass deaths of animal like in the vicinity, and the recent gruesome death of a foriegn astropsychologist there. There is also, as your link indicated, a tie in with appropriated dollars linking HAARP to research in imagine underground facilities. We know that there are many underground facilites built and being built in the US, for what reason? This tech is perhaps made to find ‘enemy’ undergrounds, but you won’t be surprised that Big Oil/Energy can benefit from this free (to them) research. Many unanswered questions about HAARP, no doubt.
re: NSA,
The other day, is was postulating to some friends that all this about NSA datamining makes me wonder what are they doing that we don’t know about!!
My big question: Who will replace Hayden at NSA?
May 13th, 2006 at 9:44 amWow. What a collection of lunacy!
It is always amusing to read posts insulting and demeaning the administration and at the same time whining about their loss of free speech and other rights.
Not one of you can cite one instance of a loss of any of your rights. The fact that you can continue to rant like this fails to be instructive. That in itself is illuminating.
But let’s not let that get in the way of your fantasies.
Bush has less than three years on his gig- when is all this Nazi stuff going to happen?
Carry on! :-)
May 13th, 2006 at 9:46 amSenators will call to order. Tice will testify. Senators will bluster. Tice will leave. Senators will adjoun. NOTHING will happen. Tice will be forgotten. Senators will bluster. Politics as usual. This is why its done in Washington, it would never play on BROADWAY.
May 13th, 2006 at 9:48 amabove should read “animal life” and “research in imaging underground facilities”
May 13th, 2006 at 9:49 amThis is the largest breach of privacy rights in our nation’s history. Still, though, most Americans support it. We cannot support or deny support to something we don’t know all the details about. For example, I don’t give a wit about anyone knowing the numbers of those whom I call. I DO give a wit, however, if government listens to content. I have nothing to hide but still some conversations are purely personal and have NOTHING whatsoever to do with being a terrorist. The feeling I sometimes have is the threat by our enemies is so great that perhaps extraordinary steps are needed. In history we have usually not feared the detonation of a nuclear device in this country by shadow figures. Yes, we were afraid of the Soviets but, I think, most believed that each country could wipe the other out so it would be nonsensical to attack one another. Now we cannot be sure. It’s a new game that is true. The stakes are higher because the idea of a nuclear device carried by a suicidal maniac who would think nothing of killing himself and thousands if not millions of others makes me feel that IF the government requires looking into the numbers of who called whom to keep that from happening then so be it. My point is that we the American public need to know if number data basing is ALL that is being collected. If so I can live with it. If not then I need to know what else the government is doing. A line must in the sand must be drawn in this new age as to what privacy rights are possible to give up and what are not while we try as best we can to retain those precious civil liberties that are the very definition of what it means to be American.
May 13th, 2006 at 9:53 amit looks like Carl & (minnie-me) Hayden.
May 13th, 2006 at 10:03 amI think Tice is just a stooge being sent out like a white knight to keep people thinking the govt is on top of everything. I know the govt is infamous for waste but even this is to much for them too accomplish. How much manpower and manhours would it take to listen to “millions of Americans phone calls”. It seems like a impossible task. It is probably difficult enough to track the calls of the terrorist being looked for, nevermind listening to everyone else. All smoke and mirrors.
May 13th, 2006 at 10:06 amV for Vendetta on September 11! If it doesn’t happen sooner, let’s March on DC and take back our government from the fascists who committed treason on that infamous day!
Build a movement now!
May 13th, 2006 at 10:55 amHe never worked on the program. He knows nothing about it. He has a rerputation for making things up. Whether or not he is clinically paranoid, he is a paranoid thinker.
May 13th, 2006 at 11:07 amI have always heard “this is a nation of laws” and yet when someone steps forward to say that “laws are being violated” this vile administration states that the person is destroying national security.
All they need to do is follow the laws & if they don’t like them work to change them.
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE DO EVERYTHING IN YOUR POWER TO GET RID OF THIS EVIL ADMINISTRATION WHICH WANTS TO OPERATE LIKE A DICTATORSHIP WITH NO RESPECT FOR OUR LAWS!!
I have never felt so sad for our country.
May 13th, 2006 at 11:10 amI’m pretty sure we’re going to be shocked. THe big question right now is, what DON’T we know?
May 13th, 2006 at 11:14 amAnecdotal, but still interesting….
I was told a story by someone who is very credible that one of their employees (a foreign national) took photos of a port from a public park. One month or so later, he was contacted by homeland security and questioned for several hours. During the questioning they produced an aerial photo of him with his camera taking the pictures. He assumed that they were taken by satellite, but could have been helicopter as well. This sounds a little like the program talked about here. If so, it may be a little frightening (especially given that they could potentially use this against political opponents without any oversight), but is it illegal? I’m not so sure. Certainly, if a policeman were hiding in a tree waiting for someone to snap photos it wouldn’t be illegal.
May 13th, 2006 at 11:38 amlib4 writes: “discredit this guy over the weekend……”
“Discredit”? Hahahaha: Mr. Tice will do well to survive the weekend, we’re thinking . . .
May 13th, 2006 at 12:28 pmI see more and more stuff like this everyday. In my opinion if someone wants something done about the Administration and Bushie people then you need to DO something about it rather than sit there and complain. If I were you all I would sincerely consider gathering all together and demanding Bush/Cheney be thrown from office and all of any person(s) involved with aid to the Bush Coupe De Tat on the planet and our government. Personally, I feel that democracy is taking to long to throw this guy out of office and for some odd reason people sit there and expect something to auto happen. We all have to admit, us that had voted for Bush… Expected great things from him. And what we did was all bought into a lie, now if Americans have the power to vote, then they also have the power to de-vote. It’s time to take a stand against the manipulation, against the pain and suffering of America. I am not aiming at those people complaining saying they aren’t doing anything, but complaining isn’t enough. Write letters and stuff, but the only way to get things done in the legal world quick, is to give it a push. That would mean a HUGE protest in every major city or middle sized city in America would be enough. We as Americans need to dust off our dirty jeans, put some fresh new ones on, and fix the problem the Administration has done. Our government went corrupt, government spending is off the wall, internal affairs get worse every day, and the foreign world feels it would be better off without us in a lot of cases. It’s time to promote Life, Love, and Liberty. The constitution didn’t give us, “we the people” the power to sit and complain, they gave us the power to enforce majority rule. The Administration contains fewer people than those of the public, so we all can over-throw Bush. But we all need to DO IT and not SAY IT! I believe in a world of peace and pacifism… And better health care would be awesome as well…
May 13th, 2006 at 12:35 pm#5: I never believed one administration could destroy the United States of Americ
The history of the rise of Nazi Germany is a good piece of history to examine in detail. It should be — in fact it once was — required studies in High School.
I’m not at all surprised that a theofascist dictatorship has risen in the United States. We’ve never been a nation that puts education of the populace as a priority. Superstitious occult stupidity is what the United States considers its top priority so now we have Nazi Germany right here in the US of A.
May 13th, 2006 at 12:36 pmLet me get this straight. Although the left continues to provide information to people who want to blow us up, they expect voters to put them in charge of national security. Then after each election they decide that it is the stupidity of the american people that prevents them from regaining power. Who says leftists don’t have a sense of humor!
May 13th, 2006 at 12:53 pm[...] There may be more to come. [...]
May 13th, 2006 at 1:02 pmIs it Impeachment time yet? The dirtbags were doing the same kind of stuff in 1976, with less sophisticated tech. And true to their fascist tendencies, Rummy and Darth Cheny told Ford to claim executive privilege when Senators wanted to question telephone execs then about domestic spying.
I don’t believe for one red cent that this record gathering is completely anonymous. We are one more failed election away from a police state. And if i have to give away informatiion to prevent that from happening, count me in. Apparently the spooks did not offer Nacchio enough money for my record!
May 13th, 2006 at 1:12 pmNot one of you can cite one instance of a loss of any of your rights.Comment by drjohn
drjohn Try living the life of the people that owned,ran and were deprived of this land you now call The United States of American in the late 1700 and early 1800’s then herded like cattle from the eastern coastal states to the midwest uprooted from our homes and lands of our ancestors. Jerked up and removed to a rock pile or the poorest dirt ranges and harshest standard of living lands the west had to offer. After you do that then come back and tell me who has not lost any rights. I also am seeing every day the White Men and Womens rights being taken from them because what was good for this country when it was swarmed over by your European ancestors and the writings that immigrants accepted as a way to live and run this country by is no longer acceptable and your constitution needs rewritten so all can live together. Sorry to be the messenger but sometimes its best to be just that as some have their heads in the sand.
May 13th, 2006 at 1:17 pmMove to a reservation and see what rights you have then.
#214 Diana E
May 13th, 2006 at 1:32 pmI first thought Pelosi was acting again like a frightened kitten under the chair when she made that statement, but think of it this way:
If Pelosi and the Democrats make impeachment an issue for November, the Republiscums will pounce on it, label us all as hysterical nut cases, they will throw back at the Dems all the comments we made in the 90’s against their relentless persecution of Clinton’s sexual habits, they will make impeachment the issue = division. While most of us here think impeachment would be a mild punishment for Bush (we would prefer the Hague), insisting to no plut it on the table for November might be a better strategy.
We do have a huge task ahead in cleaning up the mess the boy-king has made – if we are able to clean it all up at all – and while impeachment would offer us comfort, it would be short term and not very productive.
I tell you this because I am seeking a logical explanation — I have two IMPEACH BUSH stickers on my car, one on each side.
I hope Tice doesn’t have to cross a busy street anytime soon……………………
May 13th, 2006 at 1:35 pmPost 251 Marie > Nancy Pelosi is only afraid that she will lose her cushy job in the Congress! Where else can you get paid about $175,000 a year, get free meals and haircuts, free travel and free health care, and only work less than 100 days out of the year?
Politicians now only care about themselves > doing anything is just window dressing to fool the voters to keep them in office, and a lifestyle that is carefree! Present Congress reminds me of the Russian Duma, under the last Czar, before it was swept away by a communist uprising!
May 13th, 2006 at 1:45 pmim waiting to read next about how authorities microwave people with out their knowledge .ive been reading a lot about lawsuits that involve electronic survailence that has nothing at all to do with phone tapping but is far more sinister .where people actually break into your home and drug the whole family with needles then shuv little experimental devices up in their heads .then torture them …….with microwaves .thousands of digital angels were shipped out to private security companies a few years ago .i wondered how thoes with the task of implimenting these deveices were going to install them in people ,,,,now we know ….and it has nothing to do with volunteering to go get them installed at the docters office .these idiots break into your house and drug you with a drug that deletes any memory of such actions …thisk these people are not capeable of this 3000 people have been murdered would any one think them capeable of this ?
May 13th, 2006 at 1:48 pmi dont think human life means much to thoes in charge of our country or the law right now …and they have proved over and over again that this is so .i belive their psychological tell you one thing and mean a nother is becomming more and more obvious every day .i do not understand why these people are still in charge .dose any one else know why thoes who do such things to innocent people are still in charge ?
May 13th, 2006 at 2:09 pmby the way ,did any one hear about the peaceful protesters who greeted the president down in florida who was in a limo that had automatic wepons hanging out of the car window pointing it at us citizens who were simply there peacefully protesting ?im so glad people probally got snap shots of this .
and also avoid the “walk over ya” statium this weekend where religious fanatics will be trying their best to mix god with violents …..the whole show is probally laced with subliminals to provoke young people to belive that god and jesus has every thing to do with promoting murder and violents ..ive never seen a more psychopatic bunch of nut jobs in all my life
#220- Santo, I made no comment abouut the content of Wingbat’s post. In post #192, there are several misspelled words. I was only trying to be helpful. You may now dismount your ‘high horse’.
May 13th, 2006 at 2:26 pmMy english bad but i know stink of neocon lies and hitler bush tactecs teh good proggreives will overcom teh evel infidel Bush with Allah (pbuh) giveng them His blessing
May 13th, 2006 at 2:44 pm#253 Jay
I do not disagree with you. I wish we had stronger leaders, but we have to work with what we have for now.
We have to rid the country from Bush&Co first, then take back the congress and the country. Then we can remove the all the Dems in Name Only.
Frankly, I daydream about hauling Bush&Co out of the White House, in their underwear, locking them in stocks in front of the Washington Monument and letting the public throw rotten eggs and tomatoes at them before they are turned over to International authorities and tried in the Hague for war crimes. Tarring and feathering is an option — it is equally humiliating and far more painful.
May 13th, 2006 at 2:55 pmVictims of the mad and corrupt badguys at NSA and the Bush regime, know where to find a hint of of whats really going on in Nazi USA. You can to at: mindjustice.org and the info on organized stalking/oversight groups : web site info at http://www.gangstalking.ca Most people will not believe how science is being used to violate our civilian rights. In some cases, people are being hurt for torture research to unlock the secrets of the brain. A good tip is to not trust in your dreams anymore. Anybody who thinks they have freedom anymore are disillusioned.: (
May 13th, 2006 at 3:58 pmA radio talk show host said the corruption is so bad and deep and extensive in the USA, thanks to the Bushies, that it will take a military coo or civil war to take back our country from the bad guys. And, it’s not exclusively Democrat or Republican culprits, it’s all a charachter issue of basic common sense: What is right? vs What is wrong?(which is hurting and invading innocent peole, many without their knowledge).- You should look up on Google, “The Dan Bolles Papers”, Charles Schlund Case. Pay good attention to section III. Old man Bush has been plotting and steering an overthrow of the US Government and Constitution for over 30 years. They are doing planned stealth attacks on us, disguised as terrorism, and wars for “peace, democracy”. So, they are all BS! It’s all the New World Order Movement, and they will do anything legal or illegal to get what they want, …..a BRUTAL CORRUPT DICTATORSHIP WITH CRIMINALS RUNNING THE SHOW ON ALL FRONTS. God help us all.
May 13th, 2006 at 4:19 pmSounds like the “people” need to form their own government and replace this existing monster. Time to take action as our for fathers did.
May 13th, 2006 at 4:39 pmREGISTER NO PARTY*******
for a week, a month or ?
If your state has a “motor-voter program” you can do it online in a wink!
I read somewhere that Iowa “no party” voters outnumbered all registered party voters.
May 13th, 2006 at 6:56 pm[...] From CongressDaily, via ThinkProgress: A former intelligence officer for the National Security Agency said Thursday he plans to tell Senate staffers next week that unlawful activity occurred at the agency under the supervision of Gen. Michael Hayden beyond what has been publicly reported, while hinting that it might have involved the illegal use of space-based satellites and systems to spy on U.S. citizens. … [...]
May 13th, 2006 at 9:40 pmIt’s like…that moment just…after a climax…when you know it’s going to be just that good and wonderful all the waaaaay dowwwwn.
Rove indicted? AHHHH……mff!
May 13th, 2006 at 10:00 pmSome are suggesting that Russell may expose that Bubble boy has been peeking into our bank accounts and credit card accounts.
Bubbly boy recieved a ton of money from the banking industry. Bubble boy paid them back generously.
Banks would not deny Bubble boy access to our accounts.
Randi Rhodes is promoting the idea of buying and stockpiling gold. Sounds like a good idea to me.
May 13th, 2006 at 11:33 pmUse cash, stuff the mattress, save big.
I wonder how much of these revelations will ever get to us, since they will probably be meeting in closed session.
May 14th, 2006 at 12:46 amMy guess, they went full spectrum and are approaching a comprehensive voice, image and data (with dna soon to be online) profile of every citizen.
[...] …to see whether this gets much media coverage. Posted By: Zahaqiel @ 3:31 am [...]
May 14th, 2006 at 1:32 pmHow are the ‘ usual suspects’-Wolf Blitzer, Entire FNN Staff, Chris Matthews, George Will, etc., going to frame and spin these monsters now?
May 14th, 2006 at 8:49 pm[...] Ok everyone- get ready for the next outrage to be announced (supposedly) next week. [...]
May 15th, 2006 at 6:12 amAnd here’s another fine example of people who still believe in fairytales and the good always wins… Why don’t you face the truth – WE ARE ALL F****D and there is NOTHING we can do about it! Sad, but true.
May 15th, 2006 at 11:22 amWhat most people here in the US do not realize or care to even know is that The United States Government is no longer run by the Senate and Congress it’s run by the Israeli Government through AIPAC and AARP the lobbyist of Israel which has literally choked the hell out of all of the American people without their knowledge of anything even being wrong, it’s like a hidden sickness that creeps up on you and then you die before you are able to get any treatment. The Federal Reserve is run by The House of Rothchild the Lords of London and the Queen herself has bought up land all over the United States secretly bur for what purpose. England has never forgotten the departure. As “oink oink” said we’re all F****d and it probably is too late. Sad but true!
May 15th, 2006 at 1:12 pmThere is almost no hope at all unless you idiots OPEN YOUR MIND!!! Quit watching american idol, watching FOX and wondering when the next football game is going to be and pay attention for 5 minutes, and ask yourself… When is the last time you decided to even consider what these totally idiotic conspiracy theorists have to say may have any truth to it. Maybe because they bombard you with facts like: “flight 93 only left a 15 to 20 hole in the ground”, because that’s just BS right? There’s no way to prove that… In your face fools (thanks FOX for contributing your BEST work yet… Google video search: )
RARE FOOTAGE
May 15th, 2006 at 1:13 pmHave any of you seen the movie, No Way Out? Starring Kevin Costner, Gene Hackman, and Sean Young. In Langley, Virginia, a crooked official used the NSA’s data gathering abilities through a supercomputer against someone. Everything that’s rung up at the cash register or monitored by security camera, is being downloaded onto a supercomputer’s hard drive. This is real! No matter if it was twenty years ago, they have you at a store on video purchasing an item. I have seen myself and what I bought twenty years ago and I even saw myself stealing sodas out of a store! If you want more info, get at me here: luciferchrst@hotmail.com
May 15th, 2006 at 5:26 pmSHOOT TICE IN THE HEAD ON CAPITOL STEEPS
Comment by tom morrow #159
scum sorrow,
…let you watch your family being raped by dogs…
…then burned and force YOU to eat their charred remains…
…on the steps of the Capitol…
…you deserve it…
you TREASONOUS, mass murdering, Bushite inbred PIG fu*ker…
May 16th, 2006 at 10:32 amhe’ll never get to testify — sucide — 12 shotgun blasts to the head.
May 16th, 2006 at 2:04 pmDoes anyone remember ‘The X Files’ episode written by SF author William Gibson where the DoD satellite zooms in on the hacker sitting in the Vancouver container port? Skully, Mulder and the hacker get out just before the container gets fried by a bolt of energy from space.
Nice opening to the show! Maybe Gibson also knows more about the DoD and NSA capabilities than we do; he just makes it look a bit more dramatic and colorful for TV!
May 16th, 2006 at 3:01 pmThis will probably involve Nanotechnology the the method to turn humans into living zombies as well as mysterious tumors showing up on the brain as a result of exposure to such technology. It’s a whole new form of behavioral and mind control which will really scare the s..t out of anyone. It’s really sad to see the USA destroy this way by such an horrible administration. Will America wake up before the next bogus terrorist attack?
May 16th, 2006 at 9:50 pmSo, WHAT HAPPENED!?
May 18th, 2006 at 3:55 pmI’ve been waiting for his testimony. I haven’t seen a story on his failure to appear.
Is he still alive?
May 18th, 2006 at 9:04 pm[...] NSA Whistleblower To Expose More Unlawful Activity: ‘People…Are Going To Be Shocked’ – I’ve no doubt that there is more illegal activity, but are people really going to be shocked? [...]
May 19th, 2006 at 10:39 amI sincerely hope that Mr. Tice remains healthy into the foreseeable future.
As for his topic — monica, sunking, dingledorff, ivory, Omlette Phreak
– yes, I think so! Something along the lines of HAARP, torture research,
microwaving humans with satellite energy. . .betcha that MIND CONTROL
is the topic Mr. Tice would be testifying in regards to. Something along
the lines of the following:
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/v/babdoc.htm
Psychoelectronic Threat to Democracy
The Secret Arms Race
The Russian Federation and the USA Built Radar Systems
That Could Enable Them to Control Minds of Whole Populations
Scientific Informations, Military Documents,
Warnings by Civilian and Military Researchers
by Mojmir Babacek (mid-1990s)
The writing is a bit dry, but the additional references below will
indicate applications of this technology that have been of great
interest to security agencies in the recent past.
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/radio/ckln01.htm
CKLN-FM Mind Control Series — Part 1
The CIA and Military Mind Control Research:
Building the Manchurian Candidate (Toronto, 16Mar1997)
Dr. Colin Ross, M.D.
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/alexfmsf.htm
False Memory Hoax, Alex Constantine, Jan1996.
CIA connections to cult abuse and public relations control of the results.
Psychoactive drug ingestions, hypnosis, ritual abuse, and child torture
applied to entire organizations created or co-opted by the state.
One difficulty with testifying is that mind control technologies can readily
be used to make complainants dead, ill, incoherent, oblivious, or apparently
not very sane. Along with perhaps virtually everyone in America in a position
to mitigate abuses. Which may be why NO ONE seems to be addressing the
widespread destruction of independent consciousness by the police state.
The Honorable Arlen Specter (R-PA), Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman
would be an appropriate point of contact to express dismay. The committee’s
ranking Democrat, Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT), has taken a lively interest in
increased oversight of classified surveillance programs. Sen. Dianne Feinstein
(D-CA) is another Senate Judiciary Committee member who has Fourth
Amendment concerns with National Security Agency programs.
Sandra
May 20th, 2006 at 6:59 am[...] Think Progress » NSA Whistleblower To Expose More Unlawful Activity: ‘People…Are Going To Be Shocked’: CongressDaily reports that former NSA staffer Russell Tice will testify to the Senate Armed Services Committee next week that not only do employees at the agency believe the activities they are being asked to perform are unlawful, but that what has been disclosed so far is only the tip of the iceberg. [...]
May 20th, 2006 at 8:04 amtime to take out the shotgun from the closet
May 20th, 2006 at 4:22 pmthe general public is so dumbed down and cocked up from the bush/clinton cocaine family store they just hold there feeble little hands out for whatever is labeled free
THE “BUSH CRIME FAMILY” IS AT THE BOTTOM OF THEIR GAME.TIME IS ON OUR SIDE
May 21st, 2006 at 11:30 am[...] Last month, ThinkProgress reported that NSA whistleblower Russell Tice would meet with members of the Senate Armed Services Committee to discuss undisclosed unlawful activity that the Agency has engaged in. “I think the people I talk to next week are going to be shocked when I tell them what I have to tell them,†Tice said. [...]
June 12th, 2006 at 3:49 pm[...] NSA Blocking Whistleblower From Telling Committee About Shocking, Illegal Activities Last month, ThinkProgress reported that NSA whistleblower Russell Tice would meet with members of the Senate Armed Services Committee to discuss undisclosed unlawful activity that the Agency has engaged in. “I think the people I talk to next week are going to be shocked when I tell them what I have to tell them,†Tice said. [...]
June 12th, 2006 at 11:22 pm[...] So in just two days we have already seen $25 billion in lawsuits filed against only one of the companies involved. This is getting huge, but the implications could also be skyrocketing as pointed out by Think Progress: A former intelligence officer for the National Security Agency said Thursday he plans to tell Senate staffers next week that unlawful activity occurred at the agency under the supervision of Gen. Michael Hayden beyond what has been publicly reported, while hinting that it might have involved the illegal use of space-based satellites and systems to spy on U.S. citizens. … [...]
July 2nd, 2006 at 1:54 pmwhat this is used for is to control the minds of millions of people in this country through the Illuminati. Moreover, every government installation in this country is using it against the people of this country for atrocities against those citizen that are not in the 1% of the privelegded population.
July 29th, 2006 at 1:13 am[...] They have done plenty to harm this country, even once promising to keep doing it, and given a chance the best they can offer us is another 9/11. [...]
August 16th, 2006 at 11:04 pmDear Think Progress:
I am a National Security Whistleblower who has recently published the book “BorderGate†(www.BorderGate.net). “BorderGate†is a true story written by former U.S. Customs Special Agent Darlene Fitzgerald and Peter S. Ferrara. “BorderGate†puts a human face on a story exposing corrupt and/or incompetent, high level DHS managers who are literally allowing train car loads of illegal narcotics to come into the U.S. There is a cancer growing on the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). The government doesn’t want people to read this story. It tells in detail how and why some of the best and brightest Agents in Department of Homeland Security are being driven out. This story culminated in a landmark case in federal court (Fitzgerald – Nunn Vs. Department of Homeland Security). You may see some of the most shocking transcripts of this trial at BorderGate.net.
In many ways, we are less safe now than before “9/11,” even after countless billions have been spent. Why is this? Those who stand on the front lines of protecting this country – - the Agents and Officers who are actually trying to protect us – - are being systematically driven out of law enforcement by corrupt and incompetent bureaucrats who have a different agenda. What we witnessed after Hurricane Katrina will pale in comparison to what we will see after this country is hit by a weapon of mass destruction.
Currently, there is no effective law to protect any Federal Whistleblower who dares to report wrongdoing and confront the cronyism and corruption which eats away at U.S. Customs and at DHS. If these Whistleblowers lose, then we all lose. What America’s enemies have thus far been unable to do will be done from within our own government.
We are asking for your help. The Project on Government Oversight (POGO) and the Government Accountability Project (GAP) are supporting some much-needed legislation to protect legitimate Federal Whistleblowers from the persecution and retaliation of the kind exposed in “BorderGate.†Anything you can do to bring attention to this problem and support such legislation would be greatly appreciated. I have already been a guest on the O’Reilley Factor, CSPAN, NBC News, and numerous other new papers and magazines have completed articles on our story. We must act before
it is too late. The story “BorderGate†tells, and the call for action it makes cannot be ignored. No one in government can say they have not been warned.
Please visit our website at “www.BorderGate.net†to ascertain how you may be of help to us in spreading the word. You may contact us at the website or at the below listed contact information for further information. Thank you for your attention to this crucial matter.
Sincerely,
Darlene Fitzgerald and Peter S. Ferrara
November 7th, 2006 at 4:02 pmAuthors of “BorderGateâ€
http://www.BorderGate.net
darleneian@highland.net
The Destruction of minds for top organized crime
I have gone through, as well as thousands, millions of Jewish by now, 31 years of brain implant and torture for Bush and thugs, and the stealing of intellectual information while fabricating secret lies and severe torture.
One of the things that many in secret societies and cults (who are only cyborgs-refer to CIA programming) meaning those who actually get those higher things and turn it into something else, something they can manipulate and control, something of a simple minded idea, changing it into something more material to self centered ideas, becoming a cult, is using Israel and its people, taking knowledge and destroying it. The whole idea of having the higher knowledge becomes useless afterwards. They did this by the very studies in Russia even further with such weapons being able to take those things from the minds of those who own higher thought. This is why they kept killing intellectuals, including Rabbis.
The Studies which would control the brain, take their ideas, which became dominated by a very few with such heretical, ludicrous ideas, that is the cult minded, of world power in a lower sense as we see today, came about by the very studies and through the years of mobs being used in crime. The holocaust, which has continued to today, against Jews which they deny, and which leads to only more heresy and cults, and which is mainly made up of mindless, organized criminals is exactly that. Where those with higher thought in the Rabbinate years ago should be dominant today, it isn’t. And those in this world power, also have power over Israel, the few believing they inherit something over anyone else obviously never got anything of a higher sense, with the rest running around at their beckoning call in silly operations forever. What is taking place is not democracy or ay of the other ideas thrown out to the people, or for Israel, or anything right, but continued wars. What we have seen over the last 80 years has been set up to be programmed and repeated over and over. Even the killings of Jewish people within the last 50 years because they had the understanding of real higher thought and would not conform to such ridiculous cults or the stealing of their knowledge and then leaving them with a very short life can be seen. What would we expect with such set up operations of the majority in these secret operations, those being in them hired for such simple ideas? While the cults, sects, and small mindedness of the mobs grew, the loss of those with a real higher understanding became larger and larger, as they die and more control by the mobs, brainwashing in heretical ideas takes hold. Rome’s “Secret Societies†and those that grew out of them for the operations all through the last century, the simple minded understand as something superb, not seeing the destruction of real knowledge. Out of these operations, also helped only shallow thought, non-thinking majority we see today. The cults aren’t something packaged, as some see it, but something that grows and changes. Even in ancient days, if there were such a thing as a cult, and not that they were just doing what they thought of at the time, but they had minds at least to think rather than everyone simply being an operative in continuous games. Many could not even see, as they think the past is ‘the same today,’ the losses in real knowledge and human areas, that actually, over time become more delinquent while the supposed technology for aggression and self-serving ideas becomes greater. These ‘secret societies’ which people seem to think are so great, they need such protection for their crimes, actually did not exist but evolved in the minds. What also has evolved is the control of a few by changing the continued heresy and cults, through mind controls, into the past, having people believe that they were such in the past. In any case, everyone else must be subject to such lunatic cults behind closed doors that serve no real purpose. The lower minds that destroy the very essence of real knowledge just because they ‘joined’ and read something, accumulate and make up a majority anyway. By the millions of deaths they have already accomplished among Jewish thinkers, they have only furthered such little minds. This would only be a purposeful idea of Rome and the few that monopolize by such things.
Since the majority take very complicated things and turn them into a one sentence lingo for sale, this happened during such long operations. Through the Russian studies and weapons studies, what came about as an idea, eventually, over the weeks, years, and deaths, much real knowledge becomes diffused with the activity itself. The mob minded and thoughtless becoming more so.
Each mind throughout history has its perception of its self past, and the whole past, and its present, combining them to be the future, and this is done also with groups. When those things in the past are perceived wrong, a political event perceived as a knowledge area rather than for what it is, and added to for usage in the future we would say it is for destructive knowledge. In a constructive usage of knowledge and history, for future events, the highest thought would be worked upon in a constructive manner to its fullest, held in safe keeping, and those things which are destructive reserved for necessity, bringing about the most gain for human understanding and the ecosystem and other areas of movement toward a future of real civilization. But with the lower minded, when they get hold of those things that are higher understanding, they destruct first, degrade thought, and only think of fixes later. What can be seen for many years is more and more destructive thought, and overlapping on many others by s change in communications and by a lack of real communication in the past, no one really having access to much information and a real idea of history as today we can see much more on the internet in documents of a historical past and their intended nature. But after the taking of the real Rabbinates minds by force, those of lower minds would use such knowledge, now for centuries, only in a destructive manner to cause this overlapping of destructive methods and ideas. In addition to this general non-understanding of human self activity and overlapping of actions in a destructive way, there came about these weapons controls. And when the world is based on destructive thought, then stealing and destroying higher understanding on top of it with self-serving interests, it makes for a very large loss over time as we are seeing. Again, the simple-minded cannot see the loss. And today, after turning everyone into cults, apathetic to any higher knowledge by such activity it only increases those things. We can also observe today that one group thinks as the others as cults but not themselves in the whole realm of things. This is also why the holocaust, including the more recent one on Jewish people are denied.
In the destructive mode of knowledge, the mob mentality used for such activity in testing took hold overlapping on society, and for the usage of such mobs in crime, it evolved into dominant thought. While this was occurring, there were studies, as Anisomov has written regarding using mind control and brainwashing to make persons happy in occult thinking which evolved into more heresy in ritual and other ideas, basically after years of these studies, having the effect of turning everyone into the mindless, the sexual slaves and Abu Gharib criminals who enjoy sexual crimes, mass murder, and even many like Jeffrey Dahmer, cannibalistic. Rome’s version of controls over religions can be seen as integrating them into a ‘harmony’ of a million kinds of ‘questionable’ ideas and arguments that you see today, with no truth whatsoever, everything being relative and small minded, petty ideas and arguments. This leads to even less human understanding as no one seems to be able to make any real sense out of society except, again with small minded ideas that are self serving to something.
The cult ideas of ritual killing and other things we see today was actually brainwashing by these weapons and embedding these ideas into history as if they really existed for someone to control Israel rather than the true Israel that would be first. Israel had already been in real world power, but Rome had to take first seat. When Anisimov speaks of these mind controls in his writing, he is speaking of the whole study which those in Rome have done to keep control of Jewish “sects†that we see today, and incorporating heresy for that control, even having people believe it is real history. For, the lower cult mentalities, these kinds of things are just ‘superb.’ Edgewood Arsenal and other military bases, Area 51, linked to Rome, were also behind brainwashing and implants of Jewish men.
We can see the neglect of real study, those with the intent of real understanding drowned in the rest of society’s influences in the aforementioned areas, and many becoming a victim, again, of the mobs or some uprisings or something else of a continuous nature of short-sighted goals. Thousands of Jewish men and women in the last eighty years were these victims, and millions of Jewish children and others who would be those who would help with such understanding, Rome turning everyone into an arrested manipulative and sexual slave, taking back hold of real Judaic studies by this activity and making everyone come back to them in “oneness†after creating such confusion.
What Rome did by programming “Christian†leaders gradually into this Moloch worshipping cult that has nothing to do with anything today but nonsense, they also did with Judaism. Today, the churches which never really did exist for anything but political controls show such nonsensical leaders, many of whom are arrested. But, Rome also took control of Judaism by this same method; destroying history, stealing real knowledge for lower cult ideas and money, creating all kinds of sects and separatists and then being the one to ‘save’ them in the end by bringing such confused souls back to the “mother church†in harmony, by creating world wars and plagues with such fake ‘security’ so they will run back into those heresies.
I have endured 31 years of torture by the stealing of intellect, and the millions of Jewish, including those recently killed, were killed in the same way.
December 6th, 2006 at 2:36 pmI retract my story above. I have been ill and am seeking help. Thank you.
December 30th, 2006 at 5:12 amyou guys suk
January 22nd, 2007 at 4:04 pmWHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND
On January 17, 2007, the media at large reported that U.S. Attorney Carol C. Lam, the top federal prosecutor in San Diego, CA, was removed from her job. The Justice Department said Tuesday that, “Ms. Lam’s dismissal had nothing to do with the prosecution of Mr. Randy (Duke) Cunningham, but was based on her overall record in prosecuting firearms violations and crimes along the California border with Mexico.â€
At the very same time that U. S. Attorney Lam was responsible for the Cunningham case, she was also responsible for the landmark case Fitzgerald – Nunn Vs. Department of Homeland Security. A year before this civil trial began, Lam’s Assistant U.S. Attorney (AUSA) Timothy Stetler had been made aware of the ostensible corruption that U.S. Customs Special Agents Darlene Fitzgerald and Sandy Nunn had uncovered and attempted to expose. Darlene’s investigation uncovered tons of narcotics and contraband being facilitated into the U.S. via railroad tanker cars with the apparent approval of Customs managers. AUSA Timothy Stetler listened to the testimony of Superior Court Judge Yvette Palazuelos in her pre-trial deposition. She corroborated Darlene’s suspicions when she stated that the managers at Customs were, “Torpedoing our rail operation†and criminal cases. She further stated, “At the very least these managers were committing Obstruction of Justice.†AUSA Stetler told Gastone Bebi, attorney for Fitzgerald and Nunn, that he was concerned that it was in fact corruption and that he felt he had a duty to report it. He should have reported this to his boss, U.S. Attorney Lam.
There was no investigation into the well-documented, well-witnessed allegations of Sandy and Darlene. At the trial, Superior Court Judge Yvette Palazuelos took the stand and made history that day by being the first sitting Judge ever to testify against the U.S. Government. A complete transcript of her historic testimony may be read at http://www.BorderGate.net. The essential fact of her testimony was that she witnessed high-level Customs managers shut down Operation Rite Rail. In that operation Darlene had already seized 8000 pounds of marijuana and 34 kilos of uncut cocaine in just one pressurized railroad tanker car. She had secondaried (placed on hold pending inspection) five more of these cars. These five cars importing from Mexico were improperly manifested as empty yet contained 25 to 40 tons of unknown contraband. They had been sent from the same front company in Mexico where the previous seized- tanker car was from. Darlene had high-level information from a reliable informant as to the contents of these five cars – yet Darlene was ordered off the case and told to shut down her operation.
At the trial, Assistant Special Agent in Charge (ASAIC) Gary Pinkava took the stand for Customs (See Federal Transcript of Pinkava’s testimony at http://www.BorderGate.net). During the course of his testimony, he admitted that he would not allow Darlene and her Supervisor Robert Mattivi pressure test, at no charge to the government, these highly suspect tanker cars. This would have been the largest seizure on record for any agency (25 to 40 tons) and it was under the command and control of ASAIC Pinkava. Subsequently, as testified to by numerous witnesses (see other testimony at the BorderGate web site), these tanker cars were released into the commerce of the U.S. uninspected by anyone.
As shocking as this testimony was, there was also evidence of witness tampering during the course of the trial. The Honorable Roger T. Benitez, United States District Judge, while presiding over this case, responded to the efforts by U.S. Customs Attorneys who threatened U.S. Customs employees with the loss of their jobs if they dared to answer subpoenas and testify against Customs managers. Judge Benitez stated, “Boy, there’s something about this that doesn’t pass the smell test!†(see http://www.BorderGate.net). All these crimes remain uninvestigated.
What Darlene and Sandy exposed at this trial is the horrendous National Security Terrorist Threat that these tanker cars pose to our nation. Timothy McVey blew up the Federal Murrah Building in Oklahoma City with about one ton of ammonium nitrate in an unsealed-cargo truck. This cowardly attack killed scores of people and resulted in at least fifteen damaged buildings being torn down. A terrorist can put forty times this amount of ammonium nitrate in a railroad tanker car and pressurize it. This would result in the world’s largest pipe bomb. This is almost too frightful to image, yet America has enemies who relish such a possibility. Darlene has repeatedly said that the national security threat she has exposed is apolitical because exploding tanker cars do not just kill Republicans, Democrats or Independents, they kill everyone. This too was made known to the San Diego U.S. Attorney’s Office, which was headed by U.S. Attorney Lam.
During the course of this trial sufficient evidence to warrant a Grand Jury investigation into the following was absolutely exposed: Facilitation of the Importation of 25 to 40 tons of contraband into the U.S., Witness Tampering, Perjury, Misprision of Felony, and possible Subornation of Perjury. This evidence was sufficient to warrant the initiation of a Grand Jury Investigation – yet there was none. The most shocking federal transcripts of this testimony can be found at http://www.BorderGate.net. U. S. Attorney Lam knew, or should have known, about this ostensible corruption committed by the Customs managers before the trial, and later exposed at the trial. Yet to date, nothing has been done to investigate any of this.
What is even more telling in this case is the fact that Senator Dianne Feinstein has publicly defended U.S. Attorney Lam. This is most interesting when you consider that well before this case (Fitzgerald – Nunn Vs. Department of Homeland Security) was ever filed in federal court, 24 Customs employees signed a letter begging Senator Feinstein to investigate their allegations of corruption. Two weeks after Senator Feinstein’s Office received this letter (sent certified mail & fax) Senator Feinstein was seen by several of these Customs employees out on one of the U.S. Customs Yacht “rubbing elbows†with one of the very managers the brave 24 wanted Feinstein to investigate. It was later learned by a reporter who covered this story, that Senator Feinstein’s husband may have had a financial interest in the very companies over whose rails this contraband was rolling. Senator Feinstein initiated no investigation into the 24 Customs employees’ allegations. Customs turned up the retaliation heat on the agents involved in this rail project. Details of this horrendous retaliation are chronicled in the book “BorderGate.â€
It is important to note that there have been no other rail tanker car seizures since Darlene’s seizure in 1998. Have the drug smugglers and terrorists simply quit trying to enter the U.S. or have they simply been operating freely under the unwatchful and accommodating eyes of U.S. Attorney Lam and Senator Feinstein.
The real victims here are Darlene, Sandy, and all other brave Whistleblowers who have come forward with important information that exposes threats to our National Security. There is no real protection for Federal Whistleblowers. There seems to be a pattern at the U.S. Attorneys Office and the Department of Homeland Security of acting against employees for doing their job instead of prosecuting corruption. Another clear example of this is the two Border Patrol Agents who now face prison because they defended themselves in a firefight against a known drug smuggler. Again, it was a U.S. Attorney’s Office who appeared to take the side of the drug smuggler and went after the Border Patrol Agents. Yet there has been no investigation into the motivation of the AUSA prosecuting this case against the Border Patrol Agents. This raises the question – Who is overseeing those who are responsible for prosecutorial oversight?
U.S. Attorney Lam at worst condoned, and at best ignored the retaliation by U.S. Customs managers against Whistleblowers Fitzgerald and Nunn. Now she complains when she is the object of “possible†retaliation for her role in exposing the Cunningham scandal. What goes around comes around.
By: Attorney Austin Price
February 12th, 2007 at 5:16 pmAttorney for Darlene Fitzgerald,
and Peter Ferrara, Authors of: “BorderGate,
the story the government doesn’t want you to read.â€
http://www.BorderGate.net
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