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ThinkFast: May 12, 2006

By Think Progress on May 12th, 2006 at 8:57 am

ThinkFast: May 12, 2006


The Washington Post editorial board takes HUD Secretary Jackson to task today over his “anecdotal” story about issuing contracts based on political views: “Either Mr. Jackson broke the law and then lied about it, or he lied that he had broken the law. Which of those actions makes him fit to be secretary of housing and urban development?”

The Bush administration has once again refused to give the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) access to terrorism suspects being held secret detention centers.

Government officials said that investigators “are examining the activities of several members of the House Appropriations Committee, including Representative Jerry Lewis, the California Republican and chairman of the panel that wields influence over government spending.”

“Today, if the Defense Department were a private business it would be involved in a major scandal.” A new report by Business Leaders for Sensible Priorities finds that the “Defense Department’s accounting practices are in such disarray” that defense officials can’t track the military’s equipment or how they spend defense dollars every year.

The top U.S. spokesperson in Iraq yesterday acknowledged that attacks on Iraqi civilians in the last 10 weeks were “about 80% higher than the level of violence late last year. In the last 24 hours there had been 85 attacks around the nation.”

A new Center for American Progress report finds that household debt is not rising because people “are using credit cards to buy plasma TVs and premium coffee drinks at Starbucks.” “The real culprits…are the rising costs of housing, health care and education.”

Yesterday the House passed a defense authorization bill that “includes language intended to allow chaplains to pray in the name of Jesus at public military ceremonies, undercutting new Air Force and Navy guidelines on religion,” which call for nonsectarian prayers at public gatherings.

Demonstrators and journalists showing support for judges demanding independence from Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak were beaten by riot police officers yesterday. (Photos of the demonstrations here.)

And finally, everybody place your bets. Sportsbook.com is “offering odds” on whether President Bush’s approval rating will be over or under 35.5 percent on his birthday, July 6th. Bettors can also gamble on the answer to the question: “Will Donald Rumsfeld be U.S. Secretary of Defense on December 31, 2006?”



68 Responses to “ThinkFast: May 12, 2006”

  1. trueblue says:

    Just heard on Stephanie Miller:

    CAMERA’S outside Patrick Fitzgerald’s Office!!!!
    Oh PLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASE!!!!!!!!!!


  2. Mash says:

    Fitz!!! Fitz!!! Fitz!!!!

    I love the smell of Fitzmas in the morning.

    Here’s my take on the Bush Administration’s legal woes over the NSA fiasco.


  3. Mash says:

    rats! not quick enough on the draw :(


  4. ElectricBassPlayer says:

    “Government officials said that investigators “are examining the activities of several members of the House Appropriations Committee, including Representative Jerry Lewis, the California Republican and chairman of the panel that wields influence over government spending.”

    I heard yesterday that the FBI is actively investigating over 2,000 elected officials right now, as we speak — er, type.

    I bet you could name the number of those who are Democrats on just your fingers and toes.


  5. trueblue says:

  6. Zimzone says:

    Jackson should follow DeLay to jail.


  7. squegeeboo says:

    Saw a few interesting things on Fark:

    Give addicts contraception in methadone, says McNeil

    “Heroin-addicted women should be pressured to take contraception with their treatment, according to a senior back-bench Labour MSP who argued yesterday they were not fit to be parents.”

    And on the lighter Side:
    Model’s Blonde Moment
    “A supermodel fell out of a coach travelling at 50mph after mistaking an exit door for a toilet door.”


  8. Mash says:

    squegeeboo, when you gotta go, you gotta go!

    trueblue, I live to frist another day :)


  9. dlet says:

    The Bush administration has once again refused to give the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) access to terrorism suspects being held secret detention centers.

    But you can trust us….really…this time we are telling you the truth….really.


  10. squegeeboo says:

    “But you can trust us….really…this time we are telling you the truth….really.”

    Good enough for me.


  11. G.W.SuperChrist says:

    “But you can trust us….really…this time we are telling you the truth….really.”

    Good enough for me.

    Comment by squegeeboo — May 12, 2006 @ 9:32 am

    What if Clinton were in charge… still good enough?


  12. squegeeboo says:

    #11 Of course not, you can’t trust him, I mean come on, he’s Clinton.


  13. G.W.SuperChrist says:

    #13 Squeg – You are a partisan cheerleader… maybe you should consider putting your country before your party.

    Partisan Cheerleader – Supports/Opposes policies according to whose idea it is i.e., good idea if it’s Bush’s bad if it’s Clintons or vise versa.

    Non-Partisan Patriot – Supports/Opposes policies the same regardless of its origins.


  14. big papa says:

    They’re stealing in the military

    …the tax code

    …the halls of congress and senate with lobbyists…

    …the Gulf Coast

    everywhere

    …but conservative Bushite inbreds TRUST their good ‘ol boys…

    breeding and privelege are everything…

    conservatives are a real piece of work…

    …strike that…

    sh*t


  15. Mash says:

    Fitzmas ode by The Cure:

    Monday you can fall apart
    Tuesday wednesday break my heart
    Thursday doesn’t even start
    It’s friday i’m in love


  16. Wayne A. Schneider says:

    Yesterday the House passed a defense authorization bill that “includes language intended to allow chaplains to pray in the name of Jesus at public military ceremonies, undercutting new Air Force and Navy guidelines on religion,” which call for nonsectarian prayers at public gatherings.

    Now how in the hell does this not violate the First Amendment. I mean, why does Jesus get special treatment? Why does he rate any more important than any other religious figure?


  17. Daniel DiRito says:

    The Pentagon could not pass the muster of a traditional audit despite the fact that its proposed budget for 2007 is $440 billion. They apparently only recently determined a cost for each individual piece of equipment. A spokesman indicated that the Pentagon is likely several years away from being able to conduct an audit that could be certified. At a time when we have record deficits, a national debt that continues to spiral out of control under this administration, and calls for reduced spending, it seems unconscionable to allow the entity with one of the largest dollar allocations to run such an abominable accounting system. It’s frightening to imagine the amount of money that will ultimately be determined to have been mishandled.

    read full story here:

    http://www.thoughttheater.com


  18. Jay Randal says:

    Sen. Hillary Clinton is hiding out today, after she said Bush has lots of “charm and charisma”?
    Just like her husband Bill, she wants her cake and to eat it too! She and Bill hang out with members of the Bush clan, but do not want anybody to take notice that they agree with everything the Bush Regime does including keeping troops in Iraq for 20 more years, and attacking Iran for no damn legitimate reason!


  19. Just plain mad says:

    The terrorist attacks did change everything. Americans collectively grabbed their ankles and shoved their head in the ground, rather than demanding real answers from their representatives when the official response and the investigative committee were anything but realistic or honest. What is happening now is the price to be paid for not performing due dilligence in following the actions of our elected representatives. Instead, the vast majority (99%+) have handed over our Constitution and Bill of Rights to be shredded into confetti.

    My take on the first amendment:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
    What part of this still exists since the creation of free speech zones, a corporate owned press, and being tagged as a hater of America for asking for answers from those who are supposed to represent the people?

    Freedom of $peech
    Freedom of the Pre$$
    Freedom of A$$embly
    Petition government for redre$$ of grievances

    They are all gone.

    Americans are giving up the most prized possession any people anywhere could ever have had.


  20. squegeeboo says:

    Superchrist

    Squeg – You are a partisan cheerleader… maybe you should consider putting your country before your party.

    I didn’t realise it was worth putting the libertarian party ahead of the country, but I promise to stop trying. Sarcasm is my bread and butter, and I’m no fan of Bush, just less of a fan of the democratic replacement choices. Of course the red cross should get to see the terrorists, even though they’ll give it their normal spin and claim things like force-feeding to stop starvation are ‘torture’


  21. G.W.SuperChrist says:

    why does Jesus get special treatment? Why does he rate any more important than any other religious figure?

    Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — May 12, 2006 @ 9:54 am

    Because I am he as he is me and we are all together.

    I am the Prerznit, he is the Jebus, we are the SuperChrist, coo coo coochoo – coo coo coochoo


  22. big papa says:

    …A spokesman indicated that the Pentagon is likely several years away from being able to conduct an audit that could be certified…

    Comment by Daniel DiRito #17

    Daniel,

    Isn’t this unbelievable?

    For all their fiscal incompetence, mismanagement and theft…

    …with so much of our taxpayer dollars…

    …Congress keeps alotting money to these bast*rds…

    …What does this mean?

    …there are a lot of Duke Cunninghams feeding at the public trough…

    …”Believe It or Not”…


  23. Paul in Mexico says:

    Bushco is taking the position that a person gives permission to the telephone company to give out personal data and records to whomever requests them when signing up for service.

    THIS IS NOT TRUE. There is a whole gaggle of laws against this, but Bushco is guilty of over-simplifying the issue. As usual.

    At last count there were over 2,000 people in this country under investigation. 99% are republican executives and members of congress, lobbyists. No wonder this country is in the shape it is in.


  24. Just plain mad says:

    The price of gold has gone through the roof and is still going. What’s up with that?


  25. squegeeboo says:

    Also on the lighter side, the headline says it all

    Coalition of willing against EU in online porn dispute


  26. Zookeeper says:

    A new Center for American Progress report finds that household debt is not rising because people “are using credit cards to buy plasma TVs and premium coffee drinks at Starbucks.” “The real culprits…are the rising costs of housing, health care and education.”

    Healthcare is a biggie. Zoo Jr is on his father’s insurance, which is fairly decent, but he dislocated his shoulder last November (ow, ow, OW!), we had to make a trip to the ER, and then follow-up with an orthopedic doc and physical therapy. No surgery yet, but it’s still a possiblity. Oh My God, even after insurance paid I still owed thousands. I can’t imagine how we would pay it if he didn’t have insurance. I can see how people get in over their heads big-time with the medical bills.


  27. Zookeeper says:

    #16 – …why does Jesus get special treatment? Why does he rate any more important than any other religious figure?
    Comment by Wayne A. Schneider

    Wayne, if they’re going to put the plastic Jesus on the dashboard of the tank, then he gets the special treatment. ;)

    I’m with you, though, this is totally against the First Amendment.


  28. unbelievable says:

    I’m with you, though, this is totally against the First Amendment.
    Comment by Zookeeper — May 12, 2006 @ 11:30 am

    One of the kids at school is in the military (they take them in school now), and on his dog-tags he put ‘non-denominational Christian’ for his religion even though he is not religious. He told me that he has to if he wants to get along. What utter nonsense is that? Organized religions whine all the time that we want to take away their rights. Bullshit. It’s the other way around. They want to force us to be one of them or suffer. But being one of them is sufferable enough.

    There are kids who routinely invite me to some Bible study. I just smile and say no thanks, then walk away. I won’t answer any questions about religion. And if they ask me did I go to church on Sunday, I change the subject. Now, let some atheists do that and they would not only be expelled, but beaten up. Load of hypocrisy.


  29. Linda says:

    Why do they have to pray at all?


  30. unbelievable says:

    I can see how people get in over their heads big-time with the medical bills.
    Comment by Zookeeper — May 12, 2006 @ 11:27 am

    Wasn’t that the real point in bankruptcy? To let people who’d gotten into unforseeable debt they couldn’t get out of have a way out. Then a few too many people too advantage of it and now, I have to wonder what happens to those people with real medical debt. Or Katrina debt. Or disability debt, etc.


  31. Linda says:

    I am done with tolerance of religion, they are starting to force it upon all of us. No one has tolerated my religion. (totally faithless-Is there a God?-I don’t know I don’t care)


  32. unbelievable says:

    Why do they have to pray at all?
    Comment by Linda — May 12, 2006 @ 12:27 pm

    Fear.


  33. Wayne A. Schneider says:

    One of the kids at school is in the military (they take them in school now), and on his dog-tags he put ‘non-denominational Christian’ for his religion even though he is not religious.

    When I was in the Air Force, my dogtags said, “NO RELIG PREF”. It was the closest I could come to saying “Atheist” (which I don’t believe was an option back then – 1983.)


  34. unbelievable says:

    When I was in the Air Force, my dogtags said, “NO RELIG PREF”.
    Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — May 12, 2006 @ 12:33 pm

    Did you ever get harassed for it?


  35. Wayne A. Schneider says:

    #34 unbelievable,

    Not terribly, but that’s because we wore our digtags tucked inside our shirts, so nobody could see it. I usually kept it to my self because back in the early ’80s (The Reagan Years), not being a God-fearing person was seen as being pro-Godless Communists. So I didn’t bring it up much. I usually just said, “I’m not religious.” Once I mentioned that i was an atheist, and two or three people turned to me and one (my supervisor at the time) said, “Really? I never met an atheist before.” It made me feel like a bit of a spectacle, but luckily something came up to change the subject. After that I kept my atheism to myself. During Basic Training at Lackland AFB, going to church services on Sundays was optional, but the guys who stayed behind in the dorms were expected to wax and polish the floor and generally clean up the place. It was still better than going to church and listening to a bunch of stuff I didn’t believe in. This is the first place (besides my house with my wife) where my atheism hasn’t alienated everybody, so I’m willing to talk about it more. Personally I think that actually believing in any of the theistic religions is silly. But if your religious beliefs cause you to treat other people the way you yourself would like to be treated, then fine. Just don’t be worrying about my “eternal soul”. I don’t.


  36. Zookeeper says:

    #30 – Wasn’t that the real point in bankruptcy?

    Yes, it one of the reasons, but when you let the credit card companies write legislation, this is what you get. Only the truly needy will suffer, but as they say in in neo-conese — F*ck ‘em.


  37. Zookeeper says:

    #34 & #35 – Wayne & unbelievable, remember the old days when everyone minded their own business? Live and let live? I really miss those days.


  38. unbelievable says:

    Just don’t be worrying about my “eternal soul”. I don’t.
    Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — May 12, 2006 @ 12:46 pm

    I know so many people who are closet Atheists and Agnostics. They just feel trapped to live the lie that they are religious. I did for a number of years until my brother just said it out loud one day like it was no big deal.

    I am open with it in situations where I can’t lose my job. I think that we need to do what the gay community did – and come out of the closets so that others will recognize that we are not monsters. Just normal people with normal lives who just don’t like or need blind faith in higher powers.

    I actually had someone here stop speaking to me when I mentioned it. We’d been having a conmversation and it abruptly ended with my post that I mentioned my atheism. But, like you, for the most part, even the religious people here seem to get past it eventually. I read aomething that said that very rarely do people yo already know disown you when they find out. It’s usually strangers who just won’t get to know you any better. I think that’s pretty much been my experience. Most of my friends know now and don’t care.

    No doubt that the founding fathers would be disapproving of G.W.’s theocracy. But probably not surprised. Fear is the second most powerful motivator – right after pain. And right now people aren’t in enough pain to over ride their fear. Will be interesting to see how long that lasts.


  39. unbelievable says:

    Wayne & unbelievable, remember the old days when everyone minded their own business? Live and let live? I really miss those days.
    Comment by Zookeeper — May 12, 2006 @ 12:56 pm

    Me too. It really wasn’t that long ago either.

    A couple of radio morning show jockeys were talking about Oregon banning playground equipment because of liability. I miss the days of personal responsibilty too. They had it in Europe when I was there in 1998. A bunch of parents had put their kids up on the pedestal of the monument in Trafalgar Square. It’s at least 5′ high, I think. And no one fell off. No one was paranoid. No police were scolding anyone. It was ‘Your risk, your consequences’ mentality. Of course, over there, corporate personahood doesn’t exist to suck the life blood out of all teh citizens either.

    We have to get rid of Capilaism. It really sucks.


  40. Wayne A. Schneider says:

    Of course, over there, corporate personahood doesn’t exist to suck the life blood out of all teh citizens either.

    We have to get rid of Capilaism. It really sucks.

    One of the biggest mistakes this country made was giving corporations a status equal to or, in some cases, greater than personhood. Corporations are NOT people, and if they were, they would be the kind of people we lock up behind bars.

    I often hear people talk about all kinds of aspects of our society and culture and describe them as being “what living in a democracy is all about.” They are usually talking about things like free speech, freedom to worship, capitalism, and whether or not we should be allowed to see Janet Jackson’s nipple. None of those things has anything to do with democracy, which is merely a system where citizens vote for elected officials rather than having those officials selected by a ruler or legislative body.

    Capitalism is a system of exchanging goods and services among people. There is no Constitutional right to live a capitalistic way of life. The Congress, because they can regulate Commerce among the several states, could eliminate it completely in this country if they wanted. (But since their first question would be, “How can anyone make money out of that?”, it will never happen here.) But it doesn’t have to be eliminated. We just have to decide which things should be done through capitalism and which ones shouldn’t.

    For example, I have said before that health care is an area that should not be driven by capitalism. I find it thoroughly immoral that pharmaceutical companies see selling life-saving medication at inflated prices as more of a duty (to their shareholders) than a privilege (of living in such a free country). But that’s obviously just me.

    On someone’s suggestion, I started looking onto the philosophy of Humanism. (www.americanhumanist.org). I didn’t delve too deeply, but I like what I saw so far. The basic premise is similar to my own views. I’m not looking for a movement to join or a new philosophy to embrace. I was just looking for ways to express how I feel about certain things, as my writing skills are not what I would like them to be.


  41. Zookeeper says:

    Has anybody here ever tried to get a crack addict to do ANYTHING?
    I am tearing my hair out, and it’s not pretty.


  42. Zookeeper says:

    #40 – Wayne, that’s a cool website. When I clicked on “About” it was as if something clunked into place in my brain. I’m reading everything on it tonight, after Keith. Tell Jane she’s a lucky woman…from me.


  43. Wayne A. Schneider says:

    #42 Zookeeper,

    Thanks. She’ll be happy to hear that…from you! :)


  44. Jane E. Schneider says:

    Jane already knows she’s a lucky woman – “and who’s the luckiest guy in the world?” The Jerk.

    Have a great weekend, everyone!


  45. Tundra says:

    When I was in the Air Force, my dogtags said, “NO RELIG PREF”.

    Mine did too, I can honestly say it was never brought up. I never went to church or anything (stayed and cleaned because I would rather as well) either. I guess I was lucky to be with units that took their job seriously. We would be in the field for weeks at a time and just about noone would go in for service. Even the really religous ones seemed more interested in doing the job as opposed to leaving someone else with the work and going in for church.

    Maybe times are changing.


  46. Tundra says:

    I know so many people who are closet Atheists and Agnostics. They just feel trapped to live the lie that they are religious.

    Things are really different where you live than me then. I have never ever felt like I had to pretend to be religious. My Ex-wife’s family was and well, I wasn’t. My mother is and well, I’m not. I figure they can accept me for who I am or not. If not it’s their hangup not mine. Of course I do that with everything about me. If you don’t like the fact I am a vet it’s your problem, If you don’t like the fact I do computer work, it’s your problem. If you don’t like my eyes, hair, clothes, it’s your problem.

    I don’t lose sleep over anyones feelings of me.


  47. Zookeeper says:

    #46 – Amen, Tundra.


  48. unbelievable says:

    I don’t lose sleep over anyones feelings of me.
    Comment by Tundra — May 12, 2006 @ 4:53 pm

    Height? Weight? Most people don’t mess with a big guy. Women, however fiesty I may be, are still seen as manipulatable. In general, I do think there’s a difference with how far someone will push you and how far they will push me. Especially the kind who need to be right because they are lacking self-condifence. Women are sen as easier targets. Bigger animals get respect. Rules of the jungle (and we are apes :).

    Most of the people I know live elsewhere – predominantly NY, NJ, and California. And most of the ones I was referencing were when I was going thorugh my own Matrix unplugging – in California. In fact, I was harrassed at my job in California by a religious hypocrite who tried to get me fired when he found out. He was my supervisor. If anything, people in Georgia have been less confrontational about it. Guess they don’t know what to say because they’ve never met one before – or are non-religious themselves. Plus, I keep it quiet at work simply because I don’t want to find out if it could happen again.

    I am the same way as you though – take me as I am or get out of line for someone who is looking to be my friend. Don’t waste my time trying to make me over. I am what I am :)


  49. unbelievable says:

    Wayne,

    I thought we had had that conversation on Humanism. Maybe not. I do think it’s a better ‘ism’ than Capilatism. And would like to see a Humanist Party. One that runs on the ideals of thr Founding Fathers – but modernized for the world we currently live in (to keep from becoming a fundamentalistic mentality that somehow life was better once upon a time, when in reality every age has its pros and its cons. A time without techonology saw shorter life spans and more plague like diseases, after all :)

    I just dislike Capitalism. Was explaining to two teachers today that Corporate America would not care if their kid was sick. Or that you couldn’t stay late on a whim. Or that you want to eat lunch. Or that you’re more than a piece of furniture they own some days. The idea of ever returning to that imakes me sick at the thought of it.


  50. Tundra says:

    Height? Weight? Most people don’t mess with a big guy.

    hehe, I’m not a big guy, sort of average. around say 5′9″ 190ish.

    In general, I do think there’s a difference with how far someone will push you and how far they will push me. Especially the kind who need to be right because they are lacking self-condifence.
    Yeah I sort of carry myself in a certain way though. Don’t get much slack.

    It’s interesting to hear your stories though because I have not experienced it myself.


  51. unbelievable says:

    hehe, I’m not a big guy, sort of average. around say 5′9″ 190ish.

    You sound like a tank :)

    Yeah I sort of carry myself in a certain way though. Don’t get much slack.

    That’s usually got a lot to do with it too.

    It’s interesting to hear your stories though because I have not experienced it myself.
    Comment by Tundra — May 12, 2006 @ 5:24 pm

    Maybe just an isolated case with my job. But I filed a complaint with unemployment when I quit. Got 3 weeks worth of unemployment and they got a black mark on their record.

    But, in general, people tend to confide in women more than men. Maternal sympathy thing I suppose. :)

    Well, enjoy your weekend! Tell Squeegie I sent him some thunderstorms…. :)


  52. Zookeeper says:

    #51 – hehe, I’m not a big guy, sort of average. around say 5′9″ 190ish.
    You sound like a tank :)
    Comment by unbelievable

    Look at you, Salma, weedling Tundra’s stats out of him. That cracks me up! TP needs to start a dating thread, me thinks. For the record, I’m almost 6 feet tall — Pippi Longstocking indeed!


  53. WaltTheMan says:

    OMG, I’m 6′ 4″ and 206 lbs and am taking it down at .5 lb per day. I feel fat and am targeting 165 lbs. Would you change your blog ID to Tondra?


  54. Tundra says:

    OMG, I’m 6′ 4″ and 206 lbs and am taking it down at .5 lb per day. I feel fat and am targeting 165 lbs. Would you change your blog ID to Tondra?

    My Jeans are waist 30, if I went to 165 I would be anorexic. even after basic training I was 170 (from 135).


  55. unbelievable says:

    and am targeting 165 lbs.
    Comment by WaltTheMan — May 12, 2006 @ 8:31 pm

    I’ve known one person who was 6′ 2″ who weighted 170 pounds and he was seriously, seriously skinny (he’d bicycled up and downthe east coast).

    My youngest brother works construction. Not an ounce of fat, and though not muscular (like some guys get from lifting weights), he’s fit. He’s 5′9″ and weighs 172. People are just built differently.


  56. unbelievable says:

    Look at you, Salma, weedling Tundra’s stats out of him. That cracks me up!
    Comment by Zookeeper — May 12, 2006 @ 6:04 pm

    I was trying to make a point, Pippi. Down girl :).


  57. Zookeeper says:

    #56 – Yes, Ma’am. ;)

    Zoo Jr #1 * #2 and I are off to the old people’s house (Judge Daddy & Mama) for the day. Mom wants flowers in her yard for Mother’s Day. I am seriously going to get a freckle. It takes 1.5 hours to get there, so better get on the road.

    #54 – Walt, 165? Ouch. Zoo Jr #2 is 6′4″ and about 190, and he looks perfect. But he has a large frame, so that may be the difference.


  58. WaltTheMan says:

    #57 – Zookeeper,
    Small framed is an exaggeration (Lithe would be a better term.) – I’m the one who crawled under the raised floor, flipped over on my back and pushed up those 2′ by 4′ wooden floor tiles when they were too stuck to come up with the suction tile lifter. I sometimes had to use a jack. The company bought me a clean suit(cover-alls) of sorts and gym shoes for that purpose. Kept my white shirt and suit pants clean. They also let me doff my coat, tie and vest. I weighed 142 at that time and was in logic design per my job description


  59. Zookeeper says:

    #58 – So in other words, Walt, you used to be that guy I would want to take to the “all you can eat” buffet? ;)


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